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Title: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Warrior Code on February 16, 2020, 10:48:04 AM
I saw this headline today: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/02/15/indiana-high-school-girls-swimming-carmel-youth-movement-adds-record/4722371002/

and thought, "that can't be right," so I went to the IHSAA site and sure enough it was: https://www.ihsaa.org/dnn/Sports/Girls/Swimming/Team-State-Champions

34 straight state titles. That has to make them one of if not the most dominant programs in the country - in any sport. So I wonder, what other schools out there have absolute powerhouse programs?
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Cheeks on February 16, 2020, 11:07:11 AM
All about HS recruiting
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: 🏀 on February 16, 2020, 11:12:07 AM
Kimberly football.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 16, 2020, 11:18:29 AM
waukesha catholic memorial girls soccer

  coach john burke(24 years), thru 2/2018 is 495-52-42

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/high-schools/2018/04/04/catholic-memorial-dynasty-more-than-just-winning-girls-soccer-games/482868002/
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: warriorchick on February 16, 2020, 11:53:21 AM
Dominant swimming programs are almost always at schools with wealthy students, and Carmel is probably the wealthiest community in Indiana. It is an expensive sport if you want to compete at a reasonably high level. And the swim clubs in the wealthy communities (where the kids train outside of the high school season) can afford to recruit top coaches and provide the best facilities.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Warrior Code on February 16, 2020, 12:40:52 PM
Dominant swimming programs are almost always at schools with wealthy students, and Carmel is probably the wealthiest community in Indiana. It is an expensive sport if you want to compete at a reasonably high level. And the swim clubs in the wealthy communities (where the kids train outside of the high school season) can afford to recruit top coaches and provide the best facilities.

You're definitely not wrong about that. It's just crazy that none of the other wealthy communities (and there are others) have been able to snag the crown even one time in that time span.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 16, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
Curious .. what makes swimming a rich-school sport?  I mean .. pools are everywhere.  Very little equipment needed per student.

Now, polo on the other hand ...
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: JWags85 on February 16, 2020, 01:54:32 PM
Curious .. what makes swimming a rich-school sport?  I mean .. pools are everywhere.  Very little equipment needed per student.

Now, polo on the other hand ...

Coaching. Same with tennis. Anyone can pick up a racket or get in a pool, but usually they will lag behind kids who have dedicated time and coaching to pour into it.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Warrior Code on February 16, 2020, 01:56:23 PM
Curious .. what makes swimming a rich-school sport?  I mean .. pools are everywhere.  Very little equipment needed per student.

Now, polo on the other hand ...

Nothing "makes" it a rich sport on its face, but it does tend to be dominated by upper class communities. I grew up in Illinois and the wealthy Chicago burbs - Winnetka, Lake Forest, Hinsdale, etc. - are vastly more historically successful than the downstate teams.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 16, 2020, 02:46:55 PM
It’s because they are taught more about swimming from the private clubs they join prior to high school rather than the high school coaches.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Jay Bee on February 16, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
PAY THEM!!!
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: wadesworld on February 16, 2020, 03:59:04 PM
Hilltopper soccer.

(But who cares?)
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 16, 2020, 08:15:33 PM
Coaching?  Please.  You can learn how to swim on Youtube!
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Coleman on February 17, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
Lourdes Academy girls cross country. Only been in the WIAA for 14 years, have won state 6 times.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: lawdog77 on February 17, 2020, 11:26:10 AM
All about HS recruiting
Not for swimming. I believe I read that most, if not all, of the swimmers have been on the same club swim team since around age 5.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 17, 2020, 11:57:50 AM
Our local HS has won the Ohio state championship in gymnastics every year since 2004 (and '00 and '01 for good measure).
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 17, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
It's not high school, but between 1980 and 2010, Kenyon College won 31 straight NCAA D3 titles in men's swimming.  During that same timeframe, the women won 23 national titles.  All these teams were coached by the same guy.
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: cheebs09 on February 17, 2020, 12:53:20 PM
It's not high school, but between 1980 and 2010, Kenyon College won 31 straight NCAA D3 titles in men's swimming.  During that same timeframe, the women won 23 national titles.  All these teams were coached by the same guy.

What do they put in the water there?

*shows himself out*
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 17, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
the tennis team in my HS conference had won the title every year since it was started in the 50's.  It was a major upset when they tied for the title one year. The rest of us aimed for second every season.

Kalamazoo College won 79 consecutive MIAA Men's Tennis championships (all but three outright) but had five vacated due to some crazy D3 rules that caused financial aid and recruiting violations. 
Title: Re: Dominant HS programs
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 17, 2020, 02:50:19 PM
My HS has by far been the most dominant wrestling program in the state.
7/11yrs 1st or 2nd in team
2 olympians (one was an alternate)
Every year going back to 2005 there's been at least one state champion.

Idk if it's still true but when I was playing Lacrosse in High School New Trier and Loyola had played in something like the past 19/20 state finals.