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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 12, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
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1. Why does Nova play anywhere else? Hate that place.
2. Jayce has many virtues. Defending quick bigs is not one of them.
3. Had a forward on Markus and as soon as the high screen was set they sold out on the trapping double team with two long active defenders. Nice defense. Jay can coach. Fouling up 3.
4. Hope Markus didn't hurt himself chasing down his late miss. Ugly fall. Limped afterwards. Short armed two free throws. Brain fart free throw.
5. Cain gets the steal, at half court I yelled 'Stop!'. My wife looks up just in time to see the scud. 'How did you know'? Honey, nothing good happens when he tries to dribble. Maybe next year.
6. It took over 12 minutes to make a basket that wasn't point blank. If you can't shoot, you don't win. Open looks, lay ups, dunks, contested looks. Punishing that rim. You could hear the clangs.
7. Wojo so ticked he sat 4 starters at once. Message sent.
8. Cain didn't let a couple mistakes bother him tonight. Nice job, young man. Might have been the best half of his career so far.
9. And his effort inspired the team. With as bad as the team started both halves, they fought. Had chances. Dug too big a hole.
10. 17-7, 7-5. Momma said there would be days.like these. Bounce back this weekend. DOH. TUESDAY.
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Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
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Loved the fight they showed. Still like how they are playing.
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Great comeback, but ultimately, too many missed shots on good looks to come away with what could have been a huge road win. (shoulder shrug emoji) Keep protecting home court, and we'll be just fine.
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if they start either half even OK...and (4) but really 3 straight misses from Koby and MH that will not happen again
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Nice summary Tower. Except 10....no game until Tuesday.
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Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
Frustrated. Lashing out. Yawn.
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Proud of the guys for fighting back in a tough environment. Would have been easy to fold after that late 3 to put it to 10. Tough break on the Markus free throws, but a point loss at Nova is nothing to be ashamed of.
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Nice effort by the team. It wasn’t their night from the get go but they turned it around and almost took the game. Earlier in the year that’s a 20 point loss. Really think a lot of memories will still be made this season.
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First four minutes of the second half was brutal.
Really proud of the effort though.
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Nice summary Tower. Except 10....no game until Tuesday.
DOH.
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I don’t like losing, but that was a hell of an effort tonight. Would have been nice if a couple of those missed free throws in the last 2 minutes went in. MU was on the verge of getting the stuffing kicked out of them, but they battled hard tonight.
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Great comeback, but ultimately, too many missed shots on good looks to come away with what could have been a huge road win. (shoulder shrug emoji) Keep protecting home court, and we'll be just fine.
Just felt like the Prov game where they couldnt get over the hump. So it goes. Team has fight.
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Cain really had a nice 2nd half. His play got the comeback started.
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Proud of the guys for fighting back in a tough environment. Would have been easy to fold after that late 3 to put it to 10. Tough break on the Markus free throws, but a point loss at Nova is nothing to be ashamed of.
Question: was that a travel on Koby?
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Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
Why some people get confused by fans expressing frustration during and after losses continues to blow my mind. If the game thread hurts your feelings, just stay away. It's that simple.
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First 30 minutes were frustrating, but they never gave up. Also, it didn’t take Markus going bonkers to get back into it.
Nova did us some favors with some really quick 3s.
They showed a lot of fight.
Should Markus have missed that free throw? Are the odds of getting the rebound better than the odds of Nova missing a FT?
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Major ups to Jamal for his play tonight. I think that kid is really going to take his game to the next level as a senior; you can sense the confidence is building.
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Never thought we would win. But impressive to battle back and make an attempt.
Markus free throw shoot even if he was shook up is weird this year.....mid 80s is still good but many more misses for him.
1 pt road loss to Nova wont damage our NET. Lets beat Creighton.
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Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
I refuse to believe some of these guys are MU fans....I just cannot.
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First 30 minutes were frustrating, but they never gave up. Also, it didn’t take Markus going bonkers to get back into it.
Nova did us some favors with some really quick 3s.
They showed a lot of fight.
Should Markus have missed that free throw? Are the odds of getting the rebound better than the odds of Nova missing a FT?
They would have had to miss 2. Miss 1 and it's a 3 point game again and Nova fouls.
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Add another no idea what to do in end of game situations. By a senior none the less.
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Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
I’m one who has criticized Wojo in recent years and defended the case that he does deserve to feel decent criticism...but holy crap that thread is a wastebin of poor hot takes and purposely misleading claims by posters who must be watching the game cast instead of the game.
The offense looks significantly better, much more and better ball movement, and not for one second did I question the team’s hustle or effort watching.
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Could have won by 10. (I mean make 2 of the first 9 3’s we missed, or any shot...)
Could have lost by 20.
(I mean Nova crushed our will. Wojo and the team fought hard as hell)
Great fight. This was house money.
We missed open 3’s and FT’s. But we never gave up.
Proud of the team.
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Classy move by Markus that I didn’t even really think about players doing until now. Telling Jay in the handshake line how it’s been a pleasure playing against him over the years just in case they don’t match up again.
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A 1pt loss on the road to the #15 team will not hurt our NET, and shouldn't hurt our seeding too much. Loved the fight. Being down 18(?) In the 2nd half, 10 with 2 minutes left and to make it a game was one hell of an effort. I hated the final result, but games like this will make the team stronger in March.
I also made a deal with the wife that if we can watch the game we could watch "this is us" after and now she's asleep. I at least got 1 win tonight.
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Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
Many years ago, the game thread was a good time. Now it is Wojo haters, Markus haters, the usual ref conspiracy (half the thread) and has progressed to posters calling out each other as nasty as it gets. Shame it has come to that.
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Markus barely jogging up the court down 3 there was weird. Gave nova guys so much time to read the situation and react to jay and the crowd screaming foul. Had he sprinted up the court perhaps nova guys don't react in time and we get a look from 3. Oh well good game. Cant complain. No weekend game sux
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Didn’t expect a win tonight, was pleasantly surprised at how close the game was and the fight MU showed. Really good second half from Cain. Markus played tight for most of the game, but found his rhythm at the end. Wonder if the NBA scouts in attendance had anything to do with that.
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Add another no idea what to do in end of game situations. By a senior none the less.
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I thought the dagger was the Gillespie three with two minutes left.
MU was down 7 at that point, shot clock was under ten, and he hit a three from about four feet behind the line.
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Why some people get confused by fans expressing frustration during and after losses continues to blow my mind. If the game thread hurts your feelings, just stay away. It's that simple.
I'm offended by stupidity and it's overflowing with it.
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Didn’t expect a win tonight, was pleasantly surprised at how close the game was and the fight MU showed. Really good second half from Cain. Markus played tight for most of the game, but found his rhythm at the end. Wonder if the NBA scouts in attendance had anything to do with that.
Nova's defense had everything to do with that.
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Tower #6 says it all. MU gave away the game. They are better than Villanova and blew it.
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Many years ago, the game thread was a good time. Now it is Wojo haters, Markus haters, the usual ref conspiracy (half the thread) and has progressed to posters calling out each other as nasty as it gets. Shame it has come to that.
Many have moved to the Gameday Chat.
And FWIW, we're fans too - so too busy watching to moderate that thread much. If someone is especially out of line, we'll take care of it afterward, bust most of it is head of the moment stuff. Most people seem to treat it as a write only thread (just throwing out their frustrations).
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I thought the dagger was the Gillespie three with two minutes left.
I'll ask again: was the travel call on Koby that lead to that three a travel?
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Hate the result but bravo on the thread title, Tower.
Game thread a cesspool as usual. We truly have some piece of sh*t "fans".
Is it getting worse? It feels like it's getting worse, both on Scoop and twitter.
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Ranked team, on the road, fought back from 14 down, one point loss?
This was the best loss in years.
I went back 3 seasons .. we've never had such a nice loss.
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Nova's defense had everything to do with that.
Agreed good defense on Markus but the other player had open looks. Also, Markus got hammered multiple times as well and no foul call. That helps defense immensely when you can molest a player and not get called for it.
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Many have moved to the Gameday Chat.
And FWIW, we're fans too - so too busy watching to moderate that thread much. If someone is especially out of line, we'll take care of it afterward, bust most of it is head of the moment stuff. Most people seem to treat it as a write only thread (just throwing out their frustrations).
Hey let’s not advertise this.
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I'll ask again: was the travel call on Koby that lead to that three a travel?
I thought it was a very quick call. I think guys need to learn to bounce the ball as they are going down and then it never gets called. Falling down holding it is usually called a travel.
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Major ups to Jamal for his play tonight. I think that kid is really going to take his game to the next level as a senior; you can sense the confidence is building.
I honestly don't get the love for Jamal from so many Scoopers. He's played about 85 games for MU and has averaged about 4 points per game in that span. He's now had just 3 games scoring in double digits this season. He's played a decent amount too, 15 mpg in his career and about 19 mpg this year, but he's still not producing much.
Outside of improving his rebounding, what gives you the impression that he's poised for a breakout senior year?
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Bailey did not have a pleasant evening, did not make a shot. Cain took up his slack, but not enough.
Elliott has to put on some muscle. Swider and Gilispie (twice), backed Elliott in the paint and took short shots right over him, while the other NOVA players spread the floor. Six points there and way too easy.
Robinson-Earl is smooth and he has a face to the basket shot for a bigman, something that MU has not had for many years. Maybe Garcia has that shot.
Markus wearing that mask has to be bothering him, with two sub par games in a row. Hopefully a week of rest gets it back to form.
NOVA is definitely beatable in the BE tournament this year. They get in foul trouble and they are in trouble.
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Tower #6 says it all. MU gave away the game. They are better than Villanova and blew it.
Gave it away? Villanova outplayed them for almost the entire game.
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I'll ask again: was the travel call on Koby that lead to that three a travel?
Yes.
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Gave it away? Villanova outplayed them for almost the entire game.
Yeah, MU did not play well the first 28 minutes of the game.
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Markus wearing that mask has to be bothering him, with two sub par games in a row. Hopefully a week of rest gets it back to form.
He put up 30 in the first game with the mask. Then he played against 2 ranked opponents and had below average numbers. I'm guessing it was more about the defenses he faced than the mask on his face these last 2 games.
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NOVA is definitely beatable in the BE tournament this year. They get in foul trouble and they are in trouble.
Definitely beatable. By MU especially. Good matchup for us. Look forward to it.
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Don't quite understand the "love the fight" crew. That was a poorly played game. So many dumb plays by juniors and seniors. If upper classman can't figure it out, we have no hope.
Nova was in control of that game from the first TV timeout to the final buzzer. MU never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead. 1 point loss makes it sound like that game was competitive. It wasn't.
This game is symptomatic if the Wojo/Markus era. Have played well for a few games, great opportunity to make some noise nationally.....and crap the bed.
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The mask looked different to me tonight. Like it was pushing down (vertically) on his face. Looked really uncomfortable to me
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Proud of the guys - off shooting night for everyone but Cain and yet never let up - 2-0 next week will go a LONG way to a quality seed - good fight - 6 days off again sounds good for a strong finish!!!!!
MU Rah
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I honestly don't get the love for Jamal from so many Scoopers. He's played about 85 games for MU and has averaged about 4 points per game in that span. He's now had just 3 games scoring in double digits this season. He's played a decent amount too, 15 mpg in his career and about 19 mpg this year, but he's still not producing much.
Outside of improving his rebounding, what gives you the impression that he's poised for a breakout senior year?
Next year I’d expect Jamal to be a high level rebounder and have the ability to make open threes. He was a huge factor doing those things tonight.
I really hope he works on his handle so he could at least be a threat to score from the wing off the bounce. He hasn’t really shown any promise there in his time here so I expect that to limit his game next year as well. Hoping I’m wrong and he shows improvement there but I’m not counting on it.
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I'll ask again: was the travel call on Koby that lead to that three a travel?
No—he held his left pivot foot. However, I’ve asked refs about this and the consensus is if you go to the ground with the ball they will call traveling—right or wrong—it’s getting called.
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I'll ask again: was the travel call on Koby that lead to that three a travel?
I didn’t think so but I am not an objective observer. Sure looked like one of his feet stayed on the ground through the fall to the floor.
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The mask looked different to me tonight. Like it was pushing down (vertically) on his face. Looked really uncomfortable to me
Seemed to be condensating a lot more too
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Don't quite understand the "love the fight" crew. That was a poorly played game. So many dumb plays by juniors and seniors. If upper classman can't figure it out, we have no hope.
Nova was in control of that game from the first TV timeout to the final buzzer. MU never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead. 1 point loss makes it sound like that game was competitive. It wasn't.
This game is symptomatic if the Wojo/Markus era. Have played well for a few games, great opportunity to make some noise nationally.....and crap the bed.
Competitive loss on the road to a good team is crapping the bed. Got it.
We played poorly for a good amount of the game. We just as easily could have folded and lost by 20.
Instead, we kept fighting and made it a game in the last couple of minutes.
There’s nothing to be ashamed of.
Some of you are literally too stupid to think insult.
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Don't quite understand the "love the fight" crew. That was a poorly played game. So many dumb plays by juniors and seniors. If upper classman can't figure it out, we have no hope.
Nova was in control of that game from the first TV timeout to the final buzzer. MU never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead. 1 point loss makes it sound like that game was competitive. It wasn't.
This game is symptomatic if the Wojo/Markus era. Have played well for a few games, great opportunity to make some noise nationally.....and crap the bed.
It would have been a great win but not sure it would have been a defining game in the Wojo/Markus era. The same people saying “whenever we get a chance to move the needle we fail” would have just carried that over to the Creighton game. Win that one...then it’s the Providence game and so on.
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I thought the dagger was the Gillespie three with two minutes left.
MU was down 7 at that point, shot clock was under ten, and he hit a three from about four feet behind the line.
We were at a bar that we thought was open till 11 (Eastern) but at about 9:50 our server tells us they're closing at 10 but we can finish our beers. We really take our time. Finished at about 10:20 but they still didn't kick us out. At right around 10:30, Gillespie hit that 3 to make it 70-60 and my buddy said, "That's it, we'd better go." We had been the last 2 in the bar.
I only live about 5 minutes away but I didn't want a speeding ticket (only had 2 beers, so wouldn't have gotten DUI) so I tried hard not to speed. At every stop sign I took a quick glance at the gamecast on my phone and saw 70-63, then 70-65, then 71-65 right as I pulled into the garage.
Got upstairs to my TV room just in time to see Markus' 3 pull us within 71-68. Made it a game. Couldn't quite get it done after that.
That's why I never leave an effen game early!
Damn, almost had an incredible comeback win. Just had too many long stretches where we couldn't buy a hoop. Cain, finally, was able to hit some open Js and definitely ignited us.
There are no participation ribbons, but I still come out of this more encouraged than discouraged.
Protect serve at home, and we're rolling again.
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Don't quite understand the "love the fight" crew. That was a poorly played game. So many dumb plays by juniors and seniors. If upper classman can't figure it out, we have no hope.
Nova was in control of that game from the first TV timeout to the final buzzer. MU never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead. 1 point loss makes it sound like that game was competitive. It wasn't.
This game is symptomatic if the Wojo/Markus era. Have played well for a few games, great opportunity to make some noise nationally.....and crap the bed.
Never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead...
...except when they had the ball down 3.
#mathishard
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We competed all night. Shots didn't fall. Frustrating game to watch, but this team is going to finish this season strong. Lead pipe lock = We beat Creighton like a drum on Tuesday.
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Next year I’d expect Jamal to be a high level rebounder and have the ability to make open threes. He was a huge factor doing those things tonight.
I really hope he works on his handle so he could at least be a threat to score from the wing off the bounce. He hasn’t really shown any promise there in his time here so I expect that to limit his game next year as well. Hoping I’m wrong and he shows improvement there but I’m not counting on it.
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It has been almost three years and Anytime Cain puts the ball on the floor your thinking turnover, but he always has been a good shooter when wide open, good to see
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I honestly don't get the love for Jamal from so many Scoopers. He's played about 85 games for MU and has averaged about 4 points per game in that span. He's now had just 3 games scoring in double digits this season. He's played a decent amount too, 15 mpg in his career and about 19 mpg this year, but he's still not producing much.
Outside of improving his rebounding, what gives you the impression that he's poised for a breakout senior year?
I agree completely. In Jamal, I see glimpses of potential, without consistency. I don’t see development of skills (outside of hitting open 3s). His rebounding can be impressive, as it was tonight, yet I don’t see the kind of progress that makes me believe that he’ll play a more significant role going forward, including next year.
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When they fouled up three I have to wonder if it would've been better just to take a shot behind the arc. It was clearly coming, even Markus was ready for it, would've been a good time to breakout a pump fake or something.
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We competed all night. Shots didn't fall. Frustrating game to watch, but this team is going to finish this season strong. Lead pipe lock = We beat Creighton like a drum on Tuesday.
I like our chances, but this is the same Creighton team that just knocked off Seton Hall in Jersey tonight. I expect that to be a tough game.
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I like our chances, but this is the same Creighton team that just knocked off Seton Hall in Jersey tonight. I expect that to be a tough game.
Yep. And in my opinion they are the worst matchup for us in the BE. We'll have a good shot though and I'd also predict a close win.
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When they fouled up three I have to wonder if it would've been better just to take a shot behind the arc. It was clearly coming, even Markus was ready for it, would've been a good time to breakout a pump fake or something.
So, did you want Markus to shoot from halfcourt, or pick up his dribble and pump fake?
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So, did you want Markus to shoot from halfcourt, or pick up his dribble and pump fake?
I haven't decided yet. I was just envisioning Rowsey in the same situation and I feel like Rowsey could've made it a shot instead of a standard foul. (Not that it mattered b/c MH missed the free throw)
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Never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead...
...except when they had the ball down 3.
#mathishard
If you consider getting the ball with 10 seconds left and Nova fouling at half court a legit chance to tie....we'll just agree to disagree.
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I haven't decided yet. I was just envisioning Rowsey in the same situation and I feel like Rowsey could've made it a shot instead of a standard foul. (Not that it mattered b/c MH missed the free throw)
We were just F’d at that point I think. Wright made the correct call and fouled. Even Howard making the two free throws, the odds are still really low.
I really think MU should have fouled with about 40 seconds even though they got the stop. It felt like Nova was getting tight and MU was locked in and gaining the edge.
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I also made a deal with the wife that if we can watch the game we could watch "this is us" after and now she's asleep. I at least got 1 win tonight.
That’s why every couple needs two TVs - but I did LOL.
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If you consider getting the ball with 10 seconds left and Nova fouling at half court a legit chance to tie....we'll just agree to disagree.
Yeah I guess we will. Your math doesn’t add up.
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Yeah I guess we will. Your math doesn’t add up.
It does when you realize we never actually had the chance to tie. Possessing the ball 50 ft from the hoop isn't a real chance to tie the game.
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We were screwed as soon as Jay called for the foul. He was prepared. That what fouling, up 3, does to the other team.
Good fight. The shots started to fall a bit too late. Ran out of time.
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When they fouled up three I have to wonder if it would've been better just to take a shot behind the arc. It was clearly coming, even Markus was ready for it, would've been a good time to breakout a pump fake or something.
The Thing!
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We were just F’d at that point I think. Wright made the correct call and fouled. Even Howard making the two free throws, the odds are still really low.
I really think MU should have fouled with about 40 seconds even though they got the stop. It felt like Nova was getting tight and MU was locked in and gaining the edge.
Isn’t that the argument for not fouling? Wojo was clearing waving his arms while Nova was still in the backcourt, so the team knew that a stop was the plan. I don’t question that decision, even though I’m disappointed that MU didn’t pull out the win.
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I can’t comment on tonight’s game thread bc it has been unbearable for the last couple of years - I stopped participating. Bunch of whiners and negative Nathan’s. God awful.
On a better note, I thought Koby was terrific in leading the “second team” to bring MU back in the game after the line change. He played his heart out.
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Yeah I guess we will. Your math doesn’t add up.
You win the math segment.
TFlegend and skianth win the common sense segment.
Win, win.
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We were screwed as soon as Jay called for the foul. He was prepared. That what fouling, up 3, does to the other team.
Good fight. The shots started to fall a bit too late. Ran out of time.
When wojo saw that Jay was calling for a foul he shoulda called timeout right after Markus crossed half court.
Coulda then set up and inbounds play with 5 seconds to get him a baseline look from 3- Hes got such a quick release nova woulda been hard pressed to foul him in that situation out of a timeout. Wojo needs to read that better imo
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Isn’t that the argument for not fouling? Wojo was clearing waving his arms while Nova was still in the backcourt, so the team knew that a stop was the plan. I don’t question that decision, even though I’m disappointed that MU didn’t pull out the win.
I don’t feel too strongly about it either way since it was sort of a desperation comeback anyway, but I would have just liked to see more possessions. Result probably would have been the same.
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We had a lot of things go wrong on the road against a good team but battled to the final whistle.
I would have fouled down 3 with 41 seconds left to extend the game but overall thought Wojo coached a very good game.
I don’t think Nova is all that - IMO we’re the better team.
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When wojo saw that Jay was calling for a foul he shoulda called timeout right after Markus crossed half court.
Coulda then set up and inbounds play with 5 seconds to get him a baseline look from 3- Hes got such a quick release nova woulda been hard pressed to foul him in that situation out of a timeout. Wojo needs to read that better imo
We didn't have a timeout left.
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It seems to me that when you have to miss a free throw, you should practice bouncing it off the rim to the left or right, and know where the rebound will come. With enough force, it would go over the guys lined up at the lane, and you could have guys charge to where the ball is likely to go.
That said, I am thankful that we came back and made it respectable. Almost, almost.
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It seems to me that when you have to miss a free throw, you should practice bouncing it off the rim to the left or right, and know where the rebound will come. With enough force, it would go over the guys lined up at the lane, and you could have guys charge to where the ball is likely to go.
That said, I am thankful that we came back and made it respectable. Almost, almost.
Tre Jones executed it so perfectly the other day. It’s a bizarre thing to practice but I think it’s worth doing for 10-15min here and there. It was pretty obvious Markus didn’t know what to do there. Probably had never done it before.
Grab the ball and immediately throw it as hard as you can with both hands off the front rim seems to be the best way.
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We didn't have a timeout left.
Pretty sure we did. Wojo called it after MH missed the first freebie to set up the intentional miss that got away...
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I see a number of posters missed the UNC vs. Duke game this weekend.
Or the MU vs. Providence game. Or the MU vs. Xavier game. Or the UNC vs. Clemson game.
Shall I go on?
“We never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead.” Well, we did. But if we want to add on the specifics after our statement is called our for being wrong have at it.
And after you add on specifics, ask yourself if Jay Wright would’ve been fouling if he didn’t feel MU had a chance to tie the basketball game there. You don’t have to post your answer here. Save face. We all know what the answer is.
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Pretty sure we did. Wojo called it after MH missed the first freebie to set up the intentional miss that got away...
We did. Also pissed a timeout away late in the game not being able to get it in a sideline out of bounds play coming out of a timeout.
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In the end, nice 2nd half against a very good, well-coached team. Thoughts:
-Very physical game, but not a lot of fouls called. This will be a preview for the NCAA.
-Hard to win when you’re behind, sending your best FT shooters to the line, and they can’t connect
-I always think the way to attack Nova is playing their style. I would have liked to have seen Bailey as the big, along with 4 guards for at least a few minutes.
-Really hoping Howard gets the ok to drop the mask by the BE Tourny.
-Fun to watch Nova. Every player on the floor can dribble the ball, and all can create for others off the dribble-drive
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MU is going to be a tough out. This team is getting much better. Creighton game will be a war.
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Really baffled by all the “Markus was chucking” “Markus had a terrible game” chorus. There was a game plan based on face guarding him and relentless pressure. He was bothered and didn’t get into an early rhythm. But he only took 2 shots for a good chunk of the second half and was letting the game come to him. One run was keyed by him driving and dishing repeatedly. Before his end of game spurt, he was 4-12 and 3-9. That’s not the sniper Markus we know, but 33% when you’re not your best isn’t anything to bemoan. Myles Powell was 0-10 from 3 at home and repeatedly missed big shots with his team down a bucket tonight. Markus forced maybe a shot or 2 and had a bad TO where he should have called timeout, otherwise he was good to great depending on the portion of the game. He can’t always be 40+ in hostile territory
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I want to apologize to everyone for the loss. Baby TAMU is undefeated when she wears her MU onesie during the game. A dinner with friends went long and we didn't start watching the recording of the game until it was halftime IRL. In fact I'd guess it wasn't until about the time that Nova was up 18 that we got baby TAMU into her MU onesie. It was too little too late.
I think if there was ever a "good loss" this was it. Commitee will look at this game and it likely helps our seed rather than hurts it. Our KenPom rank did go down one but our KenPom score went up by about .2. The drop in ranking was because Creighton's win at Seton Hall let them leapfrog us.
Speaking of Creighton, they are the remaining game that worries me the most. Get out of Fiserv with a win and I'm really liking our prospects for the rest of the season.
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Also, if Koby could find any sort of consistency with his outside shot, this team would be very very very good. Greg getting his shot back could also be helpful. He's 0/8 since the Creighton game, 0/4 since the ankle injury. Prior to that, he was shooting 51.9% from three.
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1. Why does Nova play anywhere else? Hate that place.
2. Jayce has many virtues. Defending quick bigs is not one of them.
3. Had a forward on Markus and as soon as the high screen was set they sold out on the trapping double team with two long active defenders. Nice defense. Jay can coach. Fouling up 3.
4. Hope Markus didn't hurt himself chasing down his late miss. Ugly fall. Limped afterwards. Short armed two free throws. Brain fart free throw.
5. Cain gets the steal, at half court I yelled 'Stop!'. My wife looks up just in time to see the scud. 'How did you know'? Honey, nothing good happens when he tries to dribble. Maybe next year.
6. It took over 12 minutes to make a basket that wasn't point blank. If you can't shoot, you don't win. Open looks, lay ups, dunks, contested looks. Punishing that rim. You could hear the clangs.
7. Wojo so ticked he sat 4 starters at once. Message sent.
8. Cain didn't let a couple mistakes bother him tonight. Nice job, young man. Might have been the best half of his career so far.
9. And his effort inspired the team. With as bad as the team started both halves, they fought. Had chances. Dug too big a hole.
10. 17-7, 7-5. Momma said there would be days.like these. Bounce back this weekend. DOH. TUESDAY.
It was like there was a lid on the basket. Absolutely nothing would go in. It was painful to watch.
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I want to apologize to everyone for the loss. Baby TAMU is undefeated when she wears her MU onesie during the game. A dinner with friends went long and we didn't start watching the recording of the game until it was halftime IRL. In fact I'd guess it wasn't until about the time that Nova was up 18 that we got baby TAMU into her MU onesie. It was too little too late.
I think if there was ever a "good loss" this was it. Commitee will look at this game and it likely helps our seed rather than hurts it. Our KenPom rank did go down one but our KenPom score went up by about .2. The drop in ranking was because Creighton's win at Seton Hall let them leapfrog us.
Speaking of Creighton, they are the remaining game that worries me the most. Get out of Fiserv with a win and I'm really liking our prospects for the rest of the season.
Not Seton Hall? What worries me the most is there are times when the guys are running on all cylinders then its like its 25 below and you can't even get the engine to turn over.
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Nova was in control of that game from the first TV timeout to the final buzzer. MU never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead.
This is a lie.
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Yep. And in my opinion they are the worst matchup for us in the BE. We'll have a good shot though and I'd also predict a close win.
Completely agree. Creighton makes me nervous. Hopefully we can defend ok and they have an off night. Hate the matchup with them, but our guys are tough and will be determined. Great win by Creighton at Hall to keep the conference race interesting. Would love for the last home game to mean something in terms of keeping Hall from winning the conference. Regardless it will be a big game for resume purposes for both teams.
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We didn't have a timeout left.
We burned one attempting to get the ball in from slob. To call a TO(if we had one) to set up a slob play would be too risky.
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Speaking of out of bounds plays, It appears as if Koby has missed Brendan 1x per game under the basket in several of the last games. Get it to him...point blank range....draw the foul...or both.
IMO, our OOB plays take too long.
If I’m the opposing team and 3 or 4 seconds have gone by..I’m running to 1/2 court because that is the safety valve and I think we are getting a little too relaxed in that spot.
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And yet they ran the perfect double screen to get Markus that open 3 late.
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I personally believe that Wright fouled too early. Had Markus made both free throws, nova would have been up one. MU could have fouled. With the way, Nova was shooting free throws they easily could have missed one like Robinson-earl did. MU would have been down two with a chance to win or tie.
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I personally believe that Wright fouled too early. Had Markus made both free throws, nova would have been up one. MU could have fouled. With the way, Nova was shooting free throws they easily could have missed one like Robinson-earl did. MU would have been down two with a chance to win or tie.
I'd have loved to have seen what would have transpired had Markus made the two FTs. Sadly, he is human and he didn't.
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Very ugly game for MU. For them to lose by 1 against Villanova on their home court and with MU playing so so poorly is a testament to their effort. 2 more points and we would of got the victory. Go MU! On to a good seed in the NCAA tournament. Time to analyze and learn but not dwell.
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Don't quite understand the "love the fight" crew. That was a poorly played game. So many dumb plays by juniors and seniors. If upper classman can't figure it out, we have no hope.
Nova was in control of that game from the first TV timeout to the final buzzer. MU never had the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead. 1 point loss makes it sound like that game was competitive. It wasn't.
This game is symptomatic if the Wojo/Markus era. Have played well for a few games, great opportunity to make some noise nationally.....and crap the bed.
We were down 3 points with about 9 seconds left and they purposely fouled us so we couldn’t tie it with this new rule called the three point shot.....there is a painted stripe by which if you shoot behind the stripe and the ball goes through the net it equals three points.
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Very ugly game for MU. For them to lose by 1 against Villanova on their home court and with MU playing so so poorly is a testament to their effort. 2 more points and we would of got the victory. Go MU! On to a good seed in the NCAA tournament. Time to analyze and learn but not dwell.
Nova made it ugly with good defense and we didn’t help ourselves with a ton of missed open looks.
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And yet they ran the perfect double screen to get Markus that open 3 late.
It’s ok Tower. Yes, they ran a successful play oob. However, that doesn’t negate that opportunities are being missed. Both can be true.
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Agreed. Wojo has a number of in bounds plays that take time to develop. If the timing is disrupted or somebody is not on the same page, it can look bad. When they work, there are open looks. We have seen examples of each recently.
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We were down 3 points with about 9 seconds left and they purposely fouled us so we couldn’t tie it with this new rule called the three point shot.....there is a painted stripe by which if you shoot behind the stripe and the ball goes through the net it equals three points.
Okay, okay...you all win. I see we have several "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" folks here.
I'll edit the record to reflect nothing but the facts: Between 15:52 left in the 1st half and 00:16 left in the 2nd half, MU did not have the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead.
If you count 4 point plays, then it was 14:45 in the first to 00:16 left in the 2nd.
The sentiment remains the same. Nova controlled that game. That was disappointing to me given how well we had played the last several games.
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Okay, okay...you all win. I see we have several "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" folks here.
I'll edit the record to reflect nothing but the facts: Between 15:52 left in the 1st half and 00:16 left in the 2nd half, MU did not have the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead.
If you count 4 point plays, then it was 14:45 in the first to 00:16 left in the 2nd.
The sentiment remains the same. Nova controlled that game. That was disappointing to me given how well we had played the last several games.
You’ll be disappointed to find out many college basketball teams have bad games after a stretch of good games
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Okay, okay...you all win. I see we have several "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" folks here.
I'll edit the record to reflect nothing but the facts: Between 15:52 left in the 1st half and 00:16 left in the 2nd half, MU did not have the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead.
If you count 4 point plays, then it was 14:45 in the first to 00:16 left in the 2nd.
The sentiment remains the same. Nova controlled that game. That was disappointing to me given how well we had played the last several games.
Interested to know if you'd feel the same were the roles reversed? When we played Nova in Milwaukee, Nova never had a chance to tie or take the lead the final 34:39, and despite a very good first half from us our 8 minute 2nd half drought was far from "controlling the game".
If a team gets up by 5 in the first 2 possessions of a game, and the lead stays between 4 and 10 the rest of the game, I would say that it was an even back and forth game. We've had disappointing blow-out losses this year; this wasn't one of them.
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Agreed good defense on Markus but the other player had open looks. Also, Markus got hammered multiple times as well and no foul call. That helps defense immensely when you can molest a player and not get called for it.
Villanova would not been able to focus so much on Markus, if our other players were able to hit shots earlier in the game.
Villanova defense was helped by the refs allowing it to be a very physical game. However, this is the kind of game you are likely to see in the NCAA tournament, so it was a good learning experience.
In the end MU outshot Villanova from the three. We actually lost the game at the free-throw line.
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We were down 3 points with about 9 seconds left and they purposely fouled us so we couldn’t tie it with this new rule called the three point shot.....there is a painted stripe by which if you shoot behind the stripe and the ball goes through the net it equals three points.
So question for the group: Nova grabbed Markus in the backcourt to intentionally foul him. Why was a F1 not called? There was no intent to guard Markus, just to foul him no where near his shooting range.
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So question for the group: Nova grabbed Markus in the backcourt to intentionally foul him. Why was a F1 not called? There was no intent to guard Markus, just to foul him no where near his shooting range.
Should really be an F1 according to the rules, but they’ll never call that.
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So question for the group: Nova grabbed Markus in the backcourt to intentionally foul him. Why was a F1 not called? There was no intent to guard Markus, just to foul him no where near his shooting range.
I understand your point, but the foul was called in the front court. I don’t know what the refs line in the sand is, especially when Sacar was called for one.
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Should really be an F1 according to the rules, but they’ll never call that.
Exactly. But I have seen it called with controversy on occasion. Yet, why have a rule, a specific one no less, and not enforce it?
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I understand your point, but the foul was called in the front court. I don’t know what the refs line in the sand is, especially when Sacar was called for one.
I haven't had a chance to rewatch but my impression was it occurred in the backcourt (as I ranted on the chat). I will take your word for it then. Thanks
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Right after MH crosses half court.
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Right after MH crosses half court.
Thanks. Unfortunately I was just rewatching it. Ugh. We had our chances.