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Title: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: duanewade on February 02, 2020, 11:39:46 PM
The Fiserv experience on one of the many sold-out weekend games is amazing!  Even the pyrotechnics and lasers associated with the player introductions is an adrenaline rush and worth the price of admission.  8-)

It's unique that a mid-sized, private university is afforded the ability to co-anchor a world-class, luxury venue and able to regularly fill it as well.  This is true even with the high ticket prices we charge compared to other schools who have a larger alumni base and charge less for tickets.  For example I gave two Purdue friends of mine sticker shock when I told them how much the single seats would cost in the lower bowl.  However once they had experienced Fiserv all they could talk about on the way home was how amazing the arena was and all the cool nuances it had like going outside and seeing Milwaukee's skyline. 

Marquette ranked #9 last year in NCAA attendance averaging 15,611 per game and of course all the other teams in the top 10 are big state schools.  The one exception being Creighton which came in at #8 with an average attendance of 15,890 and is also an enigma.  No other Big East team finished in the top 25 for attendance. 

As I mentioned previously I think the Fiserv wow factor on a recruit's visit is one of the biggest reasons we were able to land so many highly touted recruits in the 2020 class.  I also think it will play a critical role in putting Karim Mane in a Marquette uniform next year as well.

However it seems to me that the experience in playing against Marquette in Fiserv with NBA references all over the locker room and the arena's rafters gets the other team juiced up even more.  Many of the players on the teams we play, including within the conference, weren't as highly recruited as most of Marquette's players as we typically sign top 100 recruits.  Playing against Marquette in such a venue, with so many people in the seats, creates a proverbial "field of dreams" for the teams we play.  It also manifests any hidden chips on opposing team's shoulders who want to show up the home team who didn't recruit them and steal their thunder. 

Having said the above I don't think it's a coincidence that we lost to St. John's, Creighton and Georgetown last year at home and were all teams we were favored to beat at the time.  I specifically remember watching the Georgetown players last year leave the floor like they just won their Super Bowl.  So far this year we lost to Providence at home and possibly got DePaul's best game of the season as well. 

Of course others will point out to me that several other BEast teams also co-anchor and/or occasionally play in NBA arenas to minimize my point.  This is true however playing at Georgetown you might get 8,000 to 10,000 announced fans sparsely filling out the lower bowl of Capital One Arena.  Most announced "fans" are attorneys or lobbyists who take clients, sit on their hands, and then leave at halftime.  The Georgetown students would rather be at home studying but they have a handful of "rebels" who show up and quietly cheer for the Hoyas and then race back back home to study so as to not jeopardize their K Street internship that requires a 3.5 GPA. 

Even the Villanova vs Creighton game in Wells Fargo arena on Saturday had an announced attendance of 15,105 but the arena has an overall seating capacity of 19,500.  Philadelphia is a much bigger city than Milwaukee and Villanova has two recent national titles and still can't draw or create an atmosphere comparable to Marquette and Fiserv. 

Bottom line is our players better start to realize that even though they might have become immune to regularly playing in front of 15,000+ people in Fiserv and view it as normal....it's not commonplace/normal to the teams we're playing.  Understand this and expect the other team's best game and meet their intensity.  We don't yet have the overall talent in the program to be able to regularly win even when we don't play our best games.  :)   
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on February 03, 2020, 12:33:54 AM
I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS...


MARQUETTE SHOULD BE PLAYING AT US CELLULAR OR PANTHER ARENA AND MOVE UWM BACK ON CAMPUS.

I said this when they were at the Bradley Center. Arena's like Fiserv can be too big for college basketball. MU should not be in an NBA arena. Its nice and all but too verbose for college kids. Make them earn it.

To me a typical college basketball crowd should only be what they have at Duke or Kansas about 11,000 or no more than 13,000 students.

It's not so much the number of fans there as much as it is the college aged students energy and atmosphere. Not filled with alumni afraid to stand up and get into it!

The first 20 rows all around the lower bowl should go to STUDENTS ONLY SECTION, and the one side only for the band.

Older or alumni must sit rows 20 and up...TV camera angles should only get the lower bowl in view. 

They should go back to the Milwaukee Arena...more of a pit and more of a home court advantage there than Fiserv.

It keeps them humble and hard working...and great seats for everyone! Not to mention the nostalgic element that appeals to me with it.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on February 03, 2020, 12:44:43 AM
Excellent article...but MU should either build an on campus arena or go back to the what is now Panther Arena.

UWM does not sell enough tickets to stay there. MU would sell out every game and the tickets might be cheaper for fans to go.

Surely the juice in the building would be there as MU could make that building their own just like in the 70's and much of the 80's.

Loved watching MU games there back then....ELECTRIC!
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Johnny B on February 03, 2020, 01:00:40 AM
Kansas arena fits 16,300 and sells out every game. Kentucky is like 20k every game. Works fine for them. Fiserv is a very high quality modern arena. Why in the hell would we want to go the SIGNIFICANTLY lower quality and smaller panther arena? Lol.. we just sold out freaking DePaul. And damn right the beautiful fiserv helps with recruiting. There's no double edged sword. Playing is fiserv is almost exclusively beneficial
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: WarriorFan on February 03, 2020, 02:51:31 AM
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Ant it ain't broke.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on February 03, 2020, 04:16:08 AM
Kansas arena fits 16,300 and sells out every game. Kentucky is like 20k every game. Works fine for them. Fiserv is a very high quality modern arena. Why in the hell would we want to go the SIGNIFICANTLY lower quality and smaller panther arena? Lol.. we just sold out freaking DePaul. And damn right the beautiful fiserv helps with recruiting. There's no double edged sword. Playing is fiserv is almost exclusively beneficial

Well-said.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 03, 2020, 04:35:40 AM
Excellent article...but MU should either build an on campus arena or go back to the what is now Panther Arena.

UWM does not sell enough tickets to stay there. MU would sell out every game and the tickets might be cheaper for fans to go.

Surely the juice in the building would be there as MU could make that building their own just like in the 70's and much of the 80's.

Loved watching MU games there back then....ELECTRIC!


Lol. No.

Let’s move from a state of the art, brand new arena to one in built in the 1950s. Great idea.

It's not 1977 anymore.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: 🏀 on February 03, 2020, 05:46:17 AM
This is satire, right?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Bocephys on February 03, 2020, 06:21:52 AM
This is satire, right?

This topic, or Scoop in general? 
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: jsglow on February 03, 2020, 06:24:42 AM
Marquette is incredibly blessed in this regard. Since the early 1950s, we have played in a state of the art arena within walking distance of campus. I don't think many (if any) other schools can say that. It has been one of our secret weapons forever.  And, until just recently,  we didn't even pay market rent to do so.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: 🏀 on February 03, 2020, 06:50:35 AM
This topic, or Scoop in general? 

Fair.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: warriorchick on February 03, 2020, 07:15:24 AM
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Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: cheebs09 on February 03, 2020, 09:25:03 AM
I attended the Bucks game at Panther Arena a few years ago. It was very cool. I also would never want MU to play there regularly. You take for granted all the amenities of a modern NBA stadium. The bathroom and concession lines were incredibly long.

We are pretty spoiled playing in Fiserv. If only we could get the concession stands on the second level open more consistently.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: MUfan12 on February 03, 2020, 09:48:59 AM
We are pretty spoiled playing in Fiserv. If only we could get the concession stands on the second level open more consistently.

They had some closed downstairs as well. It was sold out in advance! Lines upstairs were insane.

I like Fiserv a lot, but for what MU is paying in rent, they need to raise a stink about this.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 03, 2020, 09:50:22 AM
They had some closed downstairs as well. It was sold out in advance! Lines upstairs were insane.

I like Fiserv a lot, but for what MU is paying in rent, they need to raise a stink about this.

I would say a nice email to MU about what you see might help. Zero reason IMO, why a sold out crowd would have anything closed.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 03, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
I assume the Bucks are leaving money on the table by having so many of the concession stands closed.  I just don't get it.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: 🏀 on February 03, 2020, 10:03:26 AM
I assume the Bucks are leaving money on the table by having so many of the concession stands closed.  I just don't get it.

It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: cheebs09 on February 03, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
It's ridiculous.

Is that a Bucks or individual stand owner decision?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 03, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Why would anyone want a single edged sword?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: UWW2MU on February 03, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
I would say a nice email to MU about what you see might help. Zero reason IMO, why a sold out crowd would have anything closed.

Anyone know who the most effective person/office to contact about this would be?   This has been an issue time and time again and I'd definitely like to make my voice heard. 
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 03, 2020, 10:22:44 AM
Why would anyone want a single edged sword?

I use a triple edged razor.  The Mecca is a dump.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Warrior of Law on February 03, 2020, 10:25:23 AM
I attend, along with a few dozen others, UWM games at the Arena.  The place sucks.  If more people attended, then it would suck even more. UWM should move full-time to the Klotsche because it would be an upgrade.

A non-conference Tuesday night buy game at the Fiserv is still better than playing at the Arena.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on February 03, 2020, 10:30:44 AM
I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS...


MARQUETTE SHOULD BE PLAYING AT US CELLULAR OR PANTHER ARENA AND MOVE UWM BACK ON CAMPUS.

I said this when they were at the Bradley Center. Arena's like Fiserv can be too big for college basketball. MU should not be in an NBA arena. Its nice and all but too verbose for college kids. Make them earn it.

To me a typical college basketball crowd should only be what they have at Duke or Kansas about 11,000 or no more than 13,000 students.

It's not so much the number of fans there as much as it is the college aged students energy and atmosphere. Not filled with alumni afraid to stand up and get into it!

The first 20 rows all around the lower bowl should go to STUDENTS ONLY SECTION, and the one side only for the band.

Older or alumni must sit rows 20 and up...TV camera angles should only get the lower bowl in view. 

They should go back to the Milwaukee Arena...more of a pit and more of a home court advantage there than Fiserv.

It keeps them humble and hard working...and great seats for everyone! Not to mention the nostalgic element that appeals to me with it.

I literally could not disagree more strongly. The Fiserv is amazing and we are blessed to have it
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 03, 2020, 10:34:12 AM
Going to go out on a limb and assume its easier to sell a recruit with the Fiserv than the MECCA.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: warriorchick on February 03, 2020, 10:37:30 AM
Going to go out on a limb and assume its easier to sell a recruit with the Fiserv than the MECCA.

Personally, I don't think a recruit would want to play in the same building or dunk on the same rims as Giannis.  Too intimidating.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 03, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
Personally, I don't think a recruit would want to play on the same floor or dunk on the same rims as Giannis.  Too intimidating.

I mean, they don't play on the same floor as Giannis.  So what are they worried about?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: MU1980 on February 03, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS...


MARQUETTE SHOULD BE PLAYING AT US CELLULAR OR PANTHER ARENA AND MOVE UWM BACK ON CAMPUS.

I said this when they were at the Bradley Center. Arena's like Fiserv can be too big for college basketball. MU should not be in an NBA arena. Its nice and all but too verbose for college kids. Make them earn it.

To me a typical college basketball crowd should only be what they have at Duke or Kansas about 11,000 or no more than 13,000 students.

It's not so much the number of fans there as much as it is the college aged students energy and atmosphere. Not filled with alumni afraid to stand up and get into it!

The first 20 rows all around the lower bowl should go to STUDENTS ONLY SECTION, and the one side only for the band.

Older or alumni must sit rows 20 and up...TV camera angles should only get the lower bowl in view. 

They should go back to the Milwaukee Arena...more of a pit and more of a home court advantage there than Fiserv.

It keeps them humble and hard working...and great seats for everyone! Not to mention the nostalgic element that appeals to me with it.

You should care what anyone says, because this would be the worst decision that could be made.  First of all, do you understand how much this would affect recruiting?  Big time.  It helps recruiting tremendously that we play in a brand new NBA arena.  Secondly, Marquette men's basketball is the only revenue producing sport that we have at Marquette and the University and athletic department depend heavily on this revenue.  If you took approximately $5,000 sold tickets per game away, hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue would be lost.  Lastly, your idea of the students getting the first 20 rows throughout the entire arena is something that could not and never will happen.  Season ticket holders that donate a lot of money to the University have earned those seats and if they were taken away, it would create many, many issues and a loss of a lot of season ticket holders.  Having the new set up in Fiserv with the student sections at each end of the bowl has worked tremendously I believe. 
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 03, 2020, 10:58:07 AM
Scoop has turned into a really really weird place this season and i have read some of the most stupid original posts i have ever seen this year.  It saddens me that fellow MU fans could be so stupid and out of touch to literally type and consider some of these bizarro world theories.  Just this morning I read the “peak marcus” post.  No one in their right mind can read that, step back and read it again or read it out loud to any sane person with out seriously questioning the mental health of the poster.  Then in the same morning i read this post!  Absolutely bonkers.  I cannot explain it, has a group of scoopers been entered into a secret US govt LSD trial? Maybe the are so incredibly drunk?  Maybe these OT games have caused people to simply lose all ability for rational thought?  I simply dont know, i begin to read an OP and shortly thereafter am questioning whether the poster is literally fin crazy. It goes beyond lack of basketball IQ, its delusion and lack of a grasp of reality.  Any way just wanted to post that things have taken a wild Twilight Zone turn on this board over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: duanewade on February 03, 2020, 11:57:21 AM
Scoop has turned into a really really weird place this season and i have read some of the most stupid original posts i have ever seen this year.  It saddens me that fellow MU fans could be so stupid and out of touch to literally type and consider some of these bizarro world theories.  Just this morning I read the “peak marcus” post.  No one in their right mind can read that, step back and read it again or read it out loud to any sane person with out seriously questioning the mental health of the poster.  Then in the same morning i read this post!  Absolutely bonkers.  I cannot explain it, has a group of scoopers been entered into a secret US govt LSD trial? Maybe the are so incredibly drunk?  Maybe these OT games have caused people to simply lose all ability for rational thought?  I simply dont know, i begin to read an OP and shortly thereafter am questioning whether the poster is literally fin crazy. It goes beyond lack of basketball IQ, its delusion and lack of a grasp of reality.  Any way just wanted to post that things have taken a wild Twilight Zone turn on this board over the last few weeks.

Try reading the original post before responding next time.  The original post had nothing but praise for Fiserv and what it means for Marquette financially and otherwise, except the fact it almost ensures we'll always get the other team's best game. 

Of course reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  In addition you regularly like to embarrass yourself, therefore never mind. 
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: MUEng92 on February 03, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
Why would anyone want a single edged sword?
I'm pretty sure that would be called a knife
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 03, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
Anyone know who the most effective person/office to contact about this would be?   This has been an issue time and time again and I'd definitely like to make my voice heard.

Torrey Ball   
Greg Cronkite   
Brad Gschwendtner

https://gomarquette.com/staff-directory
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 03, 2020, 12:23:00 PM
Try reading the original post before responding next time.  The original post had nothing but praise for Fiserv and what it means for Marquette financially and otherwise, except the fact it almost ensures we'll always get the other team's best game. 

Of course reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  In addition you regularly like to embarrass yourself, therefore never mind. 

Why would teams play harder at Fiserv versus somewhere else?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: bilsu on February 03, 2020, 12:23:30 PM
You should care what anyone says, because this would be the worst decision that could be made.  First of all, do you understand how much this would affect recruiting?  Big time.  It helps recruiting tremendously that we play in a brand new NBA arena.  Secondly, Marquette men's basketball is the only revenue producing sport that we have at Marquette and the University and athletic department depend heavily on this revenue.  If you took approximately $5,000 sold tickets per game away, hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue would be lost.  Lastly, your idea of the students getting the first 20 rows throughout the entire arena is something that could not and never will happen.  Season ticket holders that donate a lot of money to the University have earned those seats and if they were taken away, it would create many, many issues and a loss of a lot of season ticket holders.  Having the new set up in Fiserv with the student sections at each end of the bowl has worked tremendously I believe.
I would join the fire Wojo crowd, if Wojo would be in favor of moving away from Fiserv.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: lawdog77 on February 03, 2020, 12:25:15 PM
I attend, along with a few dozen others, UWM games at the Arena. 
Why? Is this some sort of work release program, or community service in lieu of jail time?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: marqfan22 on February 03, 2020, 12:27:47 PM
Fiserv is quite possibly the nicest stadium in the country. Amazing that some would want to leave that in order to go to an old dated stadium
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 03, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
Try reading the original post before responding next time.  The original post had nothing but praise for Fiserv and what it means for Marquette financially and otherwise, except the fact it almost ensures we'll always get the other team's best game. 

Of course reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  In addition you regularly like to embarrass yourself, therefore never mind.

Duanewade,
The first 1/3 of your post is completely fine.  I believe after that the combination of LSD, Quaaludes, and crack began to settle in.  Off the wall, wacked, beyond the grasp of reality all apply.  Ur points in a vacuum are weak, outside the vacuum they belong in the same, goofy at best, rubbish bin as “peak marcus” and the other incoherent ramblings that have besieged the board as of late. Seek help
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 03, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
God I loved the old Arena - so many happy memories from that venue!

But, go back? Leave the Fiserv? That's a thought that would have never entered my mind.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 03, 2020, 01:03:24 PM
I love the old arena as well! I'm in their for 15+ times per year for Panthers & Admirals games. That said, MU doesn't need to play there.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: joparks on February 03, 2020, 01:32:21 PM
I get Duane's point.  Playing in the best arena in front of a sold out crowd has the potential to amp up their opponent if you leave it just at that. Someone mentioned Kansas and Kentucky and Duke and the others.  While Kansas and Kentucky have large arenas, Duke doesn't.  One thing in common with all of those places though is that they are intimidating places to play.  I think any stadium takes a while to build character but when Fiserv becomes a beautiful and intimidating place to play, we will know we have the ultimate home court advantage.  Getting there, MU has to keep winning and MU and their fans need to do whatever they can to make the place as uncomfortable as possible for the opponent.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: dgies9156 on February 03, 2020, 01:47:44 PM
OK, I have been a regular at the Arena, the Bradley Center and now the Computing Castle.

AINT NO WAY WE GO BACKWARD. EVER

The Arena was fun for a 1970s era program. We were loud, noisy and it was a party in there. Every week.

I promise you, it will be the same at the Computing Castle when we get to where we were in the 1970s.

One of the best games I was ever at was a Syracuse game in the Bradley Center where, as I recall we won. The place was filled, it was rocking and there was a championship game air to it. And this was in an arena considered to be inadequate.

Anyone who thinks we should spend $100 million-p[lus on our own arena or go back to the 1970s is NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 03, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
I cannot believe the consistent stupidity of threads this year. Scoopers are failing miserably with monotonous regularity (ref some old British golf announcer).
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 03, 2020, 01:50:49 PM
OK, I have been a regular at the Arena, the Bradley Center and now the Computing Castle.

AINT NO WAY WE GO BACKWARD. EVER

The Arena was fun for a 1970s era program. We were loud, noisy and it was a party in there. Every week.

I promise you, it will be the same at the Computing Castle when we get to where we were in the 1970s.

One of the best games I was ever at was a Syracuse game in the Bradley Center where, as I recall we won. The place was filled, it was rocking and there was a championship game air to it. And this was in an arena considered to be inadequate.

Anyone who thinks we should spend $100 million-p[lus on our own arena or go back to the 1970s is NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!

If we are thinking about the same game, it was mid-week and Oxxxxe broke the crap out of that zone.  I went with a Syracuse friend and it indeed was a win.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: cheebs09 on February 03, 2020, 01:54:52 PM
If we are thinking about the same game, it was mid-week and Oxxxxe broke the crap out of that zone.  I went with a Syracuse friend and it indeed was a win.

I believe that was the Jake Thomas 4 point play game.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 03, 2020, 02:16:05 PM
Here is my idea:  MU should buy the old Mecca floor, lease out the fun deck on the Viking Cruise ship in port for the winter, ring the floor with only the students in the balcony rooms and continue to charge them $8 per game even though, if they show up, they boo our coach and players. Oh, and we can seat the old carbed out sweater vesties below cabin but continue charge them $260 per person per game.  MU will regain its home court advantage because opponents will be playing in Arctic conditions.

All aboard!
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 03, 2020, 02:29:31 PM
Here is my idea:  MU should buy the old Mecca floor, lease out the fun deck on the Viking Cruise ship in port for the winter, ring the floor with only the students in the balcony rooms and continue to charge them $8 per game even though, if they show up, they boo our coach and players. Oh, and we can seat the old carbed out sweater vesties below cabin but continue charge them $260 per person per game.  MU will regain its home court advantage because opponents will be playing in Arctic conditions.

All aboard!


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Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 03, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
I believe that was the Jake Thomas 4 point play game.

That was it.  Ox 7 for 7 from the field and 12-13 from the line.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: MU82 on February 03, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Loved that game. We had a big group watching it at the same bar where Syracuse had a big group watching. We were in one room, and they were in another. When Cuse would make a big play, we could hear them cheering like crazy, and vice versa. So much fun.

Jake's 4-point play was cool. Maybe the 5th-biggest play (at best) in that game; any momentum that first-half play gave us was illusory, as we later ended up falling behind by just about as many points and still trailed by 7 with 8 minutes left in the game. But it was cool. Thank goodness for Mayo hitting two huge 3s down the stretch, Davante totally taking over and Cadougan playing a real nice floor game.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Nukem2 on February 03, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
Loved that game. We had a big group watching it at the same bar where Syracuse had a big group watching. We were in one room, and they were in another. When Cuse would make a big play, we could hear them cheering like crazy, and vice versa. So much fun.

Jake's 4-point play was cool. Maybe the 5th-biggest play (at best) in that game; any momentum that first-half play gave us was illusory, as we later ended up falling behind by just about as many points and still trailed by 7 with 8 minutes left in the game. But it was cool. Thank goodness for Mayo hitting two huge 3s down the stretch, Davante totally taking over and Cadougan playing a real nice floor game.
Jake’s play, though, was the most notable of that game.  The sudden feeling in the BC when he made that shot was pure drama theater.  Amazing.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: connie on February 03, 2020, 03:22:55 PM
I too was at the Bucks MECCA game.  It was a nice nostalgia throwback, made all the more special by the fact that it hasn't 't happened since--and there are no plans for it to return.  I think a steady diet would sour people pretty quickly.  Or at least I hope so.  I know Scoop spends too much time in the past but this is just stupid.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 03, 2020, 03:28:44 PM
That was it.  Ox 7 for 7 from the field and 12-13 from the line.

One of my best friends is a Syracuse grad. He was texting me during the game in a rage about Gardner. He has referred to Gardner as "B*tch tits" ever since.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Osiris on February 03, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
Here is my idea:  MU should buy the old Mecca floor, lease out the fun deck on the Viking Cruise ship in port for the winter, ring the floor with only the students in the balcony rooms and continue to charge them $8 per game even though, if they show up, they boo our coach and players. Oh, and we can seat the old carbed out sweater vesties below cabin but continue charge them $260 per person per game.  MU will regain its home court advantage because opponents will be playing in Arctic conditions.

All aboard!

You might be on to something here.  Better yet, you take it out of port that way you can have open betting during the game.  I’ve often complained that MU games have been missing that Mexican cock fight feel.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 03, 2020, 03:41:52 PM
If only MU could go back to the Bradley Center (still hate that place, worst arena ever)
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 03, 2020, 03:49:53 PM
However it seems to me that the experience in playing against Marquette in Fiserv with NBA references all over the locker room and the arena's rafters gets the other team juiced up even more.  Many of the players on the teams we play, including within the conference, weren't as highly recruited as most of Marquette's players as we typically sign top 100 recruits.  Playing against Marquette in such a venue, with so many people in the seats, creates a proverbial "field of dreams" for the teams we play.  It also manifests any hidden chips on opposing team's shoulders who want to show up the home team who didn't recruit them and steal their thunder. 

Having said the above I don't think it's a coincidence that we lost to St. John's, Creighton and Georgetown last year at home and were all teams we were favored to beat at the time.  I specifically remember watching the Georgetown players last year leave the floor like they just won their Super Bowl.  So far this year we lost to Providence at home and possibly got DePaul's best game of the season as well. 



I think your stretching a LOT here.  Fiserv is not some hallowed arena kids dream about playing in more than any others.  Phog, Cameron, Pauley, Rupp, the Dean Dome, Assembly Hall (IU), the Carrier Dome, MSG and newer classics like Breslin are arenas kids dream about playing at and get jacked up to play in. Fiserv, just another road game.  Creighton isn't going to consider it any more special considering they sell out their 17K seat arena every night and St. John's plays at MSG.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 03, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
I think your stretching a LOT here.  Fiserv is not some hallowed arena kids dream about playing in more than any others.  Phog, Cameron, Pauley, Rupp, the Dean Dome, Assembly Hall (IU), the Carrier Dome, MSG and newer classics like Breslin are arenas kids dream about playing at and get jacked up to play in. Fiserv, just another road game.  Creighton isn't going to consider it any more special considering they sell out their 17K seat arena every night and St. John's plays at MSG.

Coach: (in the huddle) man u guys are playing really hard today!!

Player 1: its the aura coach
Player 2: did u not see the banners?
Player 3: the fin light show bro!!
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: 🏀 on February 03, 2020, 04:42:13 PM
Anyone know who the most effective person/office to contact about this would be?   This has been an issue time and time again and I'd definitely like to make my voice heard. 

This.

Move Dick or Dave or even the kid out of the Drink Wisconsibly stand down stairs to the craft section upstairs. One of those guys can handle the volume and kill it.

PTM comes with solutions to your problems.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 03, 2020, 06:52:14 PM
This.

Move Dick or Dave or even the kid out of the Drink Wisconsibly stand down stairs to the craft section upstairs. One of those guys can handle the volume and kill it.

PTM comes with solutions to your problems.

That comes with a seat donation.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: source? on February 03, 2020, 08:11:59 PM
I'm pretty sure that would be called a knife

In the modern world you're talking a machete

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31-93B68r4L._AC_SX466_.jpg)

For a literal sword, Germans who couldn't afford a forged double-edged sword often carried a "bauernwehr" (peasant weapon) or Lange Messer (long knife)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/3a/e0/6f3ae024ba34880da550035fbb3501f4.jpg)

I am uncertain if France/England/Spain etc. had similar weapons as I haven't studied their medieval history as much but I would assume so.

Hopefully this thread has now been successfully derailed in the grand tradition of scoop.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 03, 2020, 08:18:17 PM
In the modern world you're talking a machete

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31-93B68r4L._AC_SX466_.jpg)

For a literal sword, Germans who couldn't afford a forged double-edged sword often carried a "bauernwehr" (peasant weapon) or Lange Messer (long knife)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/3a/e0/6f3ae024ba34880da550035fbb3501f4.jpg)

I am uncertain if France/England/Spain etc. had similar weapons as I haven't studied their medieval history as much but I would assume so.

Hopefully this thread has now been successfully derailed in the grand tradition of scoop.

So asked and answered—peasants.  Good job OP.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: PointWarrior on February 03, 2020, 08:57:18 PM
Nice use of fonts to express your views in what might be the dumbest post of the week (would say longer but there have been some crazy ones this year).


I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS...


MARQUETTE SHOULD BE PLAYING AT US CELLULAR OR PANTHER ARENA AND MOVE UWM BACK ON CAMPUS.

I said this when they were at the Bradley Center. Arena's like Fiserv can be too big for college basketball. MU should not be in an NBA arena. Its nice and all but too verbose for college kids. Make them earn it.

To me a typical college basketball crowd should only be what they have at Duke or Kansas about 11,000 or no more than 13,000 students.

It's not so much the number of fans there as much as it is the college aged students energy and atmosphere. Not filled with alumni afraid to stand up and get into it!

The first 20 rows all around the lower bowl should go to STUDENTS ONLY SECTION, and the one side only for the band.

Older or alumni must sit rows 20 and up...TV camera angles should only get the lower bowl in view. 

They should go back to the Milwaukee Arena...more of a pit and more of a home court advantage there than Fiserv.

It keeps them humble and hard working...and great seats for everyone! Not to mention the nostalgic element that appeals to me with it.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: duanewade on February 29, 2020, 06:46:31 PM
Once again the most insightful and knowledgeable poster on the board is proven right once again. 

Today we got Seton Hall's best game of the season as big Fiserv games consistently produce this from our opponents.  Why because kids grow up with posters of NBA players on their walls and dream of playing in the NBA someday.  The poster who said playing at Michigan State or the other mentioned college arenas was a bigger setting than playing at a sold out Fiserv is laughably wrong. 

When you take a team full of tough, gritty inner-city kids like Seton Hall and put them in this glamorous "Park Avenue" setting they're going to come out guns blazing as they want to take what you have. 

At the same time when you have a soft program, with a soft coach who are used to living on "Park Avenue" with regular crowds of 15,000 plus, catered meals on charted flights, personal chefs at the Al cooking their meals, etc.... then you're going to have a lot of uninspired performances as our players are spoiled and not hungry.

Fiserv is great for recruiting.  However unless we have a tough, taskmaster, disciplinarian like Buzz who kept players hungry and on their toes then we might as well just pencil in five home losses a year as the new norm. 
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: JWags85 on February 29, 2020, 06:55:50 PM
Once again the most insightful and knowledgeable poster on the board is proven right once again. 

Today we got Seton Hall's best game of the season as big Fiserv games consistently produce this from our opponents.  Why because kids grow up with posters of NBA players on their walls and dream of playing in the NBA someday.  The poster who said playing at Michigan State or the other mentioned college arenas was a bigger setting than playing at a sold out Fiserv is laughably wrong. 

When you take a team full of tough, gritty inner-city kids like Seton Hall and put them in this glamorous "Park Avenue" setting they're going to come out guns blazing as they want to take what you have. 

At the same time when you have a soft program, with a soft coach who are used to living on "Park Avenue" with regular crowds of 15,000 plus, catered meals on charted flights, personal chefs at the Al cooking their meals, etc.... then you're going to have a lot of uninspired performances as our players are spoiled and not hungry.

Fiserv is great for recruiting.  However unless we have a tough, taskmaster, disciplinarian like Buzz who kept players hungry and on their toes then we might as well just pencil in five home losses a year as the new norm.

You realize Seton Hall is less of an urban school than Marquette and they also play in a huge professional arena?

But the rest of that post is just as moronic and borderline racist so it’s probably not worth getting into. But given your username, it’s a pretty low effort troll, so nice work you absolute clown
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: Johnny B on February 29, 2020, 06:58:22 PM
So..
The lesser the quality of the arena= higher chance to win

The greater the quality of the arena=Lower chance to win

Genius logic.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: duanewade on February 29, 2020, 07:01:01 PM
You realize Seton Hall is less of an urban school than Marquette and they also play in a huge professional arena?

But the rest of that post is just as moronic and borderline racist so it’s probably not worth getting into. But given your username, it’s a pretty low effort troll, so nice work you absolute clown
Hurry run to your safe space and project some more!  :'(
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: JWags85 on February 29, 2020, 07:15:26 PM
Hurry run to your safe space and project some more!  :'(

Seton Hall’s starting 5 features a European who went to prep school, a PG who went to prep school, a center from suburban Jamaica,  and a dude from Delaware. Powell is the only
starter you can say is from a gritty area, and not “inner city”. Their 6th man is from Long Island.

Where are all the gritty inner city stars you’re talking about? That play for a rough and tumble school in a home gym with no fans and probably have to eat McDonalds after games and bus back from Milwaukee?
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: duanewade on February 29, 2020, 07:56:41 PM
Seton Hall’s starting 5 features a European who went to prep school, a PG who went to prep school, a center from suburban Jamaica,  and a dude from Delaware. Powell is the only
starter you can say is from a gritty area, and not “inner city”. Their 6th man is from Long Island.

Where are all the gritty inner city stars you’re talking about? That play for a rough and tumble school in a home gym with no fans and probably have to eat McDonalds after games and bus back from Milwaukee?
OMG he said "Dude" that's racist to white people!  I can't believe you compared someone to Ashton Kutcher or Seann William Scott!  Whaa whaa whaa :'( :'( :'(

Someone tried to steal my thunder on a joke last night by telling it first.  So a snowflake took to mean they literally were stealing from me! Whaa whaa whaa  :'( :'( :'(

Hmmmm kids who go to prep schools three states away really represents where they grew up? 

Rent Rocky III tonight and become enlightened on what it means to become sophisticated and lose your hunger while someone like Clubber Lang is sweating blood in a dirty old gym literally fighting his way to a better life.   

Or watch the making of Platoon where Oliver Stone made the actors go through basic training and live in the jungle for over a month to make them look, think and feel like a real Platoon fighting in Vietnam. 

Marquette used to be a gritty, tough minded team under Buzz.  Guys like Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder came here with no Burger Boy accolades and worked their way to NBA stardom.  Now we look and play like a spoiled, soft and entitled team that has less fire than a Alpha Beta fraternity team. 
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: bradforster on February 29, 2020, 08:46:35 PM
Once again the most insightful and knowledgeable poster on the board is proven right once again. 

Today we got Seton Hall's best game of the season as big Fiserv games consistently produce this from our opponents.  Why because kids grow up with posters of NBA players on their walls and dream of playing in the NBA someday.  The poster who said playing at Michigan State or the other mentioned college arenas was a bigger setting than playing at a sold out Fiserv is laughably wrong. 

When you take a team full of tough, gritty inner-city kids like Seton Hall and put them in this glamorous "Park Avenue" setting they're going to come out guns blazing as they want to take what you have. 

At the same time when you have a soft program, with a soft coach who are used to living on "Park Avenue" with regular crowds of 15,000 plus, catered meals on charted flights, personal chefs at the Al cooking their meals, etc.... then you're going to have a lot of uninspired performances as our players are spoiled and not hungry.

Fiserv is great for recruiting.  However unless we have a tough, taskmaster, disciplinarian like Buzz who kept players hungry and on their toes then we might as well just pencil in five home losses a year as the new norm.

Folks, let's make factual statements instead of emotive ones after frustrating losses.  Marquette has played 35 times at Fiserv Forum and sports a record of 29-6 in those outings.  The six losses are by a combined 27 points, or 4.5/game.  Two of the defeats have come by a single point and another by a deuce.  I cannot believe people would complain about playing in one of the nicest arenas in the country.  This years squad is not as talented as the top three teams in the conference and that has much more to do with losing a few home games than Marquette's lack of a home court advantage.  As Jim Calhoun once exclaimed, "Get some facts and come back and see me!"
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: We R Final Four on February 29, 2020, 08:56:09 PM
Clubber Lang. Holy crap. Clubber Lang.

Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: duanewade on February 29, 2020, 09:02:46 PM
Folks, let's make factual statements instead of emotive ones after frustrating losses.  Marquette has played 35 times at Fiserv Forum and sports a record of 29-6 in those outings.  The six losses are by a combined 27 points, or 4.5/game.  Two of the defeats have come by a single point and another by a deuce.  I cannot believe people would complain about playing in one of the nicest arenas in the country.  This years squad is not as talented as the top three teams in the conference and that has much more to do with losing a few home games than Marquette's lack of a home court advantage.  As Jim Calhoun once exclaimed, "Get some facts and come back and see me!"
Great point. A non conference schedule loaded with so many annual cupcakes/buy games has no impact on such a high winning percentage and is an apples to apples comparison to my point.

Jim Calhoun wants his quote back.
Title: Re: The double-edged sword of playing in Fiserv......
Post by: bradforster on February 29, 2020, 09:08:14 PM
"Fiserv is great for recruiting.  However unless we have a tough, taskmaster, disciplinarian like Buzz who kept players hungry and on their toes then we might as well just pencil in five home losses a year as the new norm."

I am still not able to calculate five home losses/season over the first two years in the new building.  Please help me with my math since you seem to be such a perspicacious Marquette follower.