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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on January 20, 2020, 09:14:51 AM
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Hated it last year, hate it this year. Feels like a game MH is in foul trouble a lot to me.
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This is exactly the kind of game we have lost the past few years. Coming off a couple solid wins. Will be decently big favorites. Big opportunity in the next game. Absolutely stinks of a trap game.
That said, I feel so much better about this game with Ponds being gone.
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This is exactly the kind of game we have lost the past few years. Coming off a couple solid wins. Will be decently big favorites. Big opportunity in the next game. Absolutely stinks of a trap game.
That said, I feel so much better about this game with Ponds being gone.
Well, we did have two 8-game winning streaks and a 4-game winning streak just last season, so there were plenty of times we kept winning after a couple of solid wins.
But point taken: These kinds of games can be real challenges. I agree that Ponds being gone is pretty big here, and St. John's is not as good a team this year.
That said, I realize that any win, any way, is a good thing, and certainly is not guaranteed.
We Are Marquette!
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This is exactly the kind of game we have lost the past few years. Coming off a couple solid wins. Will be decently big favorites. Big opportunity in the next game. Absolutely stinks of a trap game.
That said, I feel so much better about this game with Ponds being gone.
Following on this ... KenPom gives a 78% chance of winning, the highest winning percentage of any game the rest of this season.
Kenpom projected final score, MU 79, SJ 71
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The next highest winning % is Depaul at home Feb 1 at 70%.
The game we are least likely to win, at Butler on Friday, Jan 24, just 26%
KenPom has us finishing 19-11 (9-9)
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We are favored by 8 in KenPom. 78% win probability...which is our highest win probability the rest of the season. We've all been told by the Intelligencia how impossible it is to win on the road this year in college hoops.
Enough with the chicken little crap. Expect to win. We should. End of story.
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My spidey senses are feeling that Koby has found his role. Facilitator, drive the lanes, only shoot the completely wide open jumper. I look for him to have a big game assist wise, and MU wins in a landslide.
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We are favored by 8 in KenPom. 78% win probability...which is our highest win probability the rest of the season. We've all been told by the Intelligencia how impossible it is to win on the road this year in college hoops.
Enough with the chicken little crap. Expect to win. We should. End of story.
This. Dreading a game like this is an indictment on the state of the program in my opinion.
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So, the expectation is that MU will go 2-2 at home to start the Big East? Sheesh
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My spidey senses are feeling that Koby has found his role. Facilitator, drive the lanes, only shoot the completely wide open jumper. I look for him to have a big game assist wise, and MU wins in a landslide.
I agree with this analysis.
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This is exactly the kind of game we have lost the past few years. Coming off a couple solid wins. Will be decently big favorites. Big opportunity in the next game. Absolutely stinks of a trap game.
That said, I feel so much better about this game with Ponds being gone.
And Justin Simon. Simon guarded Markus in the two losses last year and shut him down. Markus shot 2 for 15 in first game and 5 for 17 in the second.
St. Johns will press, trap and double team from the start and it is imperative that MU break those without constantly turning it over. If St. Johns fouls MU while doing their aggressive defense, and gets in trouble, their bench is basically
zero.
Break the press, get transition baskets and limit the anticipated turnovers.
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I love these games because they tell us MU is progressing and can handle success. Let's rip the Johnnies.
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Following on this ... KenPom gives a 78% chance of winning, the highest winning percentage of any game the rest of this season.
Kenpom projected final score, MU 79, SJ 71
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The next highest winning % is Depaul at home Feb 1 at 70%.
The game we are least likely to win, at Butler on Friday, Jan 24, just 26%
KenPom has us finishing 19-11 (9-9)
What I found interesting is he has us at 47+% in 10 of our last 12 games. Win those 50/50 type games and we'll have something. That said, also means a lot of potential "close but not quite" moments.
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What I found interesting is he has us at 47+% in 10 of our last 12 games. Win those 50/50 type games and we'll have something. That said, also means a lot of potential "close but not quite" moments.
Yes, I was going to note that as well.
Four of these projected losses we are 47% to 49%
* at X (Jan 29), 49%
* Butler at home (Feb 9), 49%
* Seton Hall at home (Feb 29), 48%
* at Depaul (Mar 3), 47%.
On the other side,
* at Prov (Feb 22), 53%
* AT StJ (Mar 7), 55%
This suggests if we play well, we can do better than 19-11 (9-9). 21-9 (11-7) is possible without an "out of body experience," and, of course, no significant injuries.
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We are favored by 8 in KenPom. 78% win probability...which is our highest win probability the rest of the season. We've all been told by the Intelligencia how impossible it is to win on the road this year in college hoops.
Enough with the chicken little crap. Expect to win. We should. End of story.
Agree. We should take the SJU at home.
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Hated it last year, hate it this year. Feels like a game MH is in foul trouble a lot to me.
I think we'll win but I do expect us to struggle a bit. 5-7 point win.
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Enough with the chicken little crap. Expect to win.
Dreading a game like this is an indictment on the state of the program in my opinion.
I don't think all that many Scoopers have "chicken little crap" or "dread" going into this game -- beyond the normal worry any fan of any team has about any game. Y'all don't think Duke and Kentucky fans worry about "trap games" or upsets? Given what we've seen so far this season, perhaps they should.
Many Scoopers talked about the importance -- and "easiness" -- of this Xavier-Georgetown-St. John's stretch. I expected to win the first two, I expect to win this one coming up Tuesday. But despite those who think there are "zero" reasons to think we should lose any of the games, all one has to do is look around college basketball to receive a quick dose of pragmatism. Besides, fans are worrywarts in general.
I'm pretty sure that every Butler fan expected to beat DePaul, and I doubt many "dreaded" the game, but the realistic ones knew that the Big East schedule is a tough gauntlet, that DePaul was improved despite their 0-4 start, and that losing was a possibility. Not a pleasant possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.
So with all due respect -- and not speaking for all Scoopers but probably for a majority of us -- having a realistic amount of respect for the quality of the BEast, top to bottom, is not the same as "chicken little crap" or "dread."
But sure, I am sure there are a few Scoopers approaching this game with "dread" ... just as there are a few who think that if we don't go at least 14-4 in the conference it is a sign that we have the worst program, run by the worst coach, in all of college basketball.
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Less dread than the past few years but still dreading it.
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Lots of dread going into the St. John's game in the BET last March. The vast majority of Scoopers, especially the NoJos, flat out predicted a decisive loss.
The Dread-O-Meter went on tilt when we won that one by 841 points.
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Well, we did have two 8-game winning streaks and a 4-game winning streak just last season, so there were plenty of times we kept winning after a couple of solid wins.
But point taken: These kinds of games can be real challenges. I agree that Ponds being gone is pretty big here, and St. John's is not as good a team this year.
That said, I realize that any win, any way, is a good thing, and certainly is not guaranteed.
We Are Marquette!
Fair enough - but until last year, winning streaks in conference were few and far between. I believe Wojo didn't have a 3-game Big East win streak in his first 4 years? Or something crazy like that.
Hoping we make quick work of the Johnnies. I'll be at Hinkle on Friday hoping for some magic.
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I don't think all that many Scoopers have "chicken little crap" or "dread" going into this game -- beyond the normal worry any fan of any team has about any game. Y'all don't think Duke and Kentucky fans worry about "trap games" or upsets? Given what we've seen so far this season, perhaps they should.
Many Scoopers talked about the importance -- and "easiness" -- of this Xavier-Georgetown-St. John's stretch. I expected to win the first two, I expect to win this one coming up Tuesday. But despite those who think there are "zero" reasons to think we should lose any of the games, all one has to do is look around college basketball to receive a quick dose of pragmatism. Besides, fans are worrywarts in general.
I'm pretty sure that every Butler fan expected to beat DePaul, and I doubt many "dreaded" the game, but the realistic ones knew that the Big East schedule is a tough gauntlet, that DePaul was improved despite their 0-4 start, and that losing was a possibility. Not a pleasant possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.
So with all due respect -- and not speaking for all Scoopers but probably for a majority of us -- having a realistic amount of respect for the quality of the BEast, top to bottom, is not the same as "chicken little crap" or "dread."
But sure, I am sure there are a few Scoopers approaching this game with "dread" ... just as there are a few who think that if we don't go at least 14-4 in the conference it is a sign that we have the worst program, run by the worst coach, in all of college basketball.
The intention of starting this thread was cover your ass material by Cheeks, so he can rationalize a potential loss to a team we have no business losing to tomorrow night. Now, if he sincerely feels nervous about this game, well, that sure illustrates a lack of confidence in our coach/program here in Year 6.
P.S. I personally don't think Duke or Kentucky fans worry too much about losing games on their home court against the 77th ranked team in the country with a coach in his first year on the job.
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My spidey senses are feeling that Koby has found his role. Facilitator, drive the lanes, only shoot the completely wide open jumper. I look for him to have a big game assist wise, and MU wins in a landslide.
I like what you're serving up here
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The intention of starting this thread was cover your ass material by Cheeks, so he can rationalize a potential loss to a team we have no business losing to tomorrow night. Now, if he sincerely feels nervous about this game, well, that sure illustrates a lack of confidence in our coach/program here in Year 6.
P.S. I personally don't think Duke or Kentucky fans worry too much about losing games on their home court against the 77th ranked team in the country with a coach in his first year on the job.
I do not try to get in the heads of individual Scoopers, and the one you mentioned certainly doesn't represent any significant percentage of us.
Duly noted about your feelings re Duke and Kentucky fans. I guess they should have dreaded their games against SF Austin and Evansville, though. Fans are fans. Most of us worry some.
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This. Dreading a game like this is an indictment on the state of the program in my opinion.
Bingo!! Way too often do I see posters here talking about "I don't expect them to win this game, or that game etc". EXPECT to win. Especially playing at home against teams you are better than. They already pissed away the PC game(that one will piss me off for a long time yet), a good team takes care of business at home...I don't give a damn what the rest of college hoops is like. I EXPECT Marquette to take care of business at home. Period.
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Bingo!! Way too often do I see posters here talking about "I don't expect them to win this game, or that game etc". EXPECT to win. Especially playing at home against teams you are better than. They already pissed away the PC game(that one will piss me off for a long time yet), a good team takes care of business at home...I don't give a damn what the rest of college hoops is like. I EXPECT Marquette to take care of business at home. Period.
I totally expected us to beat Providence, so my expectations had nothing to do with us losing.
I am guessing that 1 million out of 1 million Kentucky fans expected their heroes to beat Evansville at home. A lot of good it did them.
Curious, guru ... we have 12 games left in the regular season. How many do you expect us to win?
I'll go first ...
Barring some catastrophic injury to a key player, I will go into each game expecting us to win it. And I mean it. I think we are good enough to win at Nova, at Butler, SH at home, etc, etc, and I will expect victories.
However, as I look at the big picture, I am realistic enough to know that we almost surely will not go 12-0. We will have a really bad shooting game, or we will turn the ball over too much, or we will miss a couple big FTs, or Wojo will mess up, or players won't execute a perfectly good play, or the refs will blow a game-changing call. Or -- and I know this is a particularly difficult concept for some, because it actually gives credit to the other well-paid coach and the other talented athletes -- the opponent simply will play really well against us.
But today, as I look at this game and that game and the other game, I fully expect us to beat that day's opponent.
And if we don't win, I will be ticked off ... but I will not be all "We might never win another game" ... "Koby is the worst" ... "Markus is a cancer" ... "Theo is bad at basketball" ... "We suck without the Hausers," etc. And I also will not be all "Fire Wojo!" ... partly because I don't think he should be fired, but also because I know he won't be fired, so it would be wasted energy.
We Are Marquette!
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I don't think all that many Scoopers have "chicken little crap" or "dread" going into this game -- beyond the normal worry any fan of any team has about any game. Y'all don't think Duke and Kentucky fans worry about "trap games" or upsets? Given what we've seen so far this season, perhaps they should.
Many Scoopers talked about the importance -- and "easiness" -- of this Xavier-Georgetown-St. John's stretch. I expected to win the first two, I expect to win this one coming up Tuesday. But despite those who think there are "zero" reasons to think we should lose any of the games, all one has to do is look around college basketball to receive a quick dose of pragmatism. Besides, fans are worrywarts in general.
I'm pretty sure that every Butler fan expected to beat DePaul, and I doubt many "dreaded" the game, but the realistic ones knew that the Big East schedule is a tough gauntlet, that DePaul was improved despite their 0-4 start, and that losing was a possibility. Not a pleasant possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.
So with all due respect -- and not speaking for all Scoopers but probably for a majority of us -- having a realistic amount of respect for the quality of the BEast, top to bottom, is not the same as "chicken little crap" or "dread."
But sure, I am sure there are a few Scoopers approaching this game with "dread" ... just as there are a few who think that if we don't go at least 14-4 in the conference it is a sign that we have the worst program, run by the worst coach, in all of college basketball.
You do understand the premise of the thread, yes?
Oh and, ahem...
Less dread than the past few years but still dreading it.
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The only concern I have for MU in this game revolves around TOs.....if MU gets really cavalier with the ball that will definitely keep St John's in it but other than that we match up well. MU can even go small and play 3 guards (Markus, Koby, Symir) and some combination of Sacar, Cain, and Bailey and do really well in this game. I don't expect Jayce to play a ton. St John's is even worse at shooting than X and Georgetown if you can believe it so as long as we continue to sag and not let them get to the rim we should be fine.
Prediction, if we have fewer than 6 live ball TOs this game we win by 15+
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We are favored by 8 in KenPom. 78% win probability...which is our highest win probability the rest of the season. We've all been told by the Intelligencia how impossible it is to win on the road this year in college hoops.
Enough with the chicken little crap. Expect to win. We should. End of story.
Those odds means we lose this game 22% of the time, or somewhere between 1 out of 4 and 1 out of 5. That's enough for me to worry a bit. BAsically all the remaining games will make me nervous.
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You do understand the premise of the thread, yes?
Oh and, ahem...
Don't make my comment out to be something it isn't Nickledimer. This has nothing to do with coach, state of program, etc since I've been a fan I've dreaded SJU
In 2013 we needed a buzzer beater in OT to beat St Johns when we were on top of our game. In 2010 we needed a miracle jimmy butler fade away. We got $hit rocked by them at home in 2011, got swept in 2014 once in 2xOT and once not even competitive. 09 and 12 we won very convincingly.
2 easy wins, 3 tough wins, 1 tough loss, 2 blow out losses. Under buzz I dreaded them to.
Wojo's teams have not stacked up great against SJU getting swept in 2015, winning 3 close ones in 2016, splitting blow outs in 2017, splitting in 2018, getting blown out twice and blowing them out once in 2019.
2 easy wins, 3 tough wins, 5 blow out losses. So I've dreaded them under Wojo as well.
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Don't make my comment out to be something it isn't Nickledimer. This has nothing to do with coach, state of program, etc since I've been a fan I've dreaded SJU
In 2013 we needed a buzzer beater in OT to beat St Johns when we were on top of our game. In 2010 we needed a miracle jimmy butler fade away. We got $hit rocked by them at home in 2011, got swept in 2014 once in 2xOT and once not even competitive. 09 and 12 we won very convincingly.
2 easy wins, 3 tough wins, 1 tough loss, 2 blow out losses. Under buzz I dreaded them to.
Wojo's teams have not stacked up great against SJU getting swept in 2015, winning 3 close ones in 2016, splitting blow outs in 2017, splitting in 2018, getting blown out twice and blowing them out once in 2019.
2 easy wins, 3 tough wins, 5 blow out losses. So I've dreaded them under Wojo as well.
I’m not singling you out but you have to admit the irony of 82’s “I’m an authority and speak for the majority” post followed be yours was pretty funny.
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St John’s was a game last year that the Hausers struggled defensively with their quickness. We are better defensively now. The blowout in the BET, they had to play back to back, MU was fresher.
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Lotsa 6'6"-ish guys for StJ's... don't love that.
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This. Dreading a game like this is an indictment on the state of the program in my opinion.
I cannot recall a year in the last 40 that there were games against teams we should beat on paper that I did not feel a need for concern. It did not matter who the coach was. With losses against UWGreen Bay, Maine, DePaul, Stetson, Miami of Ohio, Omaha, and others to prove the point. Conference games are always reasons for concern.
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We got this.
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St John’s was a game last year that the Hausers struggled defensively with their quickness. We are better defensively now. The blowout in the BET, they had to play back to back, MU was fresher.
I think you nailed it. They played like psychos in the 2 regular season games vs. MU. My wife and I were at the BET game. I enjoyed the revenge/blowout win and I was pumped, thinking our (then) recent problems were behind us.
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The intention of starting this thread was cover your ass material by Cheeks, so he can rationalize a potential loss to a team we have no business losing to tomorrow night. Now, if he sincerely feels nervous about this game, well, that sure illustrates a lack of confidence in our coach/program here in Year 6.
P.S. I personally don't think Duke or Kentucky fans worry too much about losing games on their home court against the 77th ranked team in the country with a coach in his first year on the job.
Name the last substantive post by Chicos. Logorrhea is one of the many social disorders that Sybil suffers from. Clearly off his meds
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This was a nightmare matchup for us last year. SJU played 5 out with Ponds, Heron, Simon, Figueroa, Clark. 4 of our 5 starters were Howard, Hauser, Hauser, John. Theo was forced to play outside due to the 5 out which killed our rim protection. The two Hausers didn't have the footspeed to guard any of the Johnnies except Clark, who Theo was already guarding. Howard couldn't handle Ponds. Sacar was the only guy who could guard anyone.
We match up a a lot better this year. I'm guessing Howard will spend most of his time on Rutherford and Williams. We have Kobe, Sacar and Bailey to throw on Dunn, Heron, and Figourua. Jayce and Theo can cover Roberts when he's in and Champagnie when Roberts is out. Roberts presents no outside threat at all.
I do expect it will get ugly at times as SJU forces a ton of turnovers and they are longer and more athletic than Georgetown. But the matchups are far better this year and SJU is shooting 28% on 3s compared to 35% last year. I'd expect a win.
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This was a nightmare matchup for us last year. SJU played 5 out with Ponds, Heron, Simon, Figueroa, Clark. 4 of our 5 starters were Howard, Hauser, Hauser, John. Theo was forced to play outside due to the 5 out which killed our rim protection. The two Hausers didn't have the footspeed to guard any of the Johnnies except Clark, who Theo was already guarding. Howard couldn't handle Ponds. Sacar was the only guy who could guard anyone.
We match up a a lot better this year. I'm guessing Howard will spend most of his time on Rutherford and Williams. We have Kobe, Sacar and Bailey to throw on Dunn, Heron, and Figourua. Jayce and Theo can cover Roberts when he's in and Champagnie when he's Roberts is out. Roberts presents no outside threat at all.
I do expect it will get ugly at times as SJU forces a ton of turnovers and they are far more long and athletic than Georgetown. But the matchups are far better this year and SJU is shooting 28% on 3s compared to 35% last year. I'd expect a win.
Nailed it with this post. The one area of concern for me is how we handle their pressure. We don't appear to be too confident/comfortable handling full court pressure.
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One positive is we've really improved our turnover rate as the season has gone on. We're down to 18.5% which is 118th in the country. I believe we were in the 300s at one point this year.
In conference games, we're 2nd best (15.7%) behind SJU (14%).
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This game makes me nervous not because I don't think we will win (I think we win by double digits) but because it is high risk, low reward. Beat St. John's at home and no one cares. Lose to St. John's at home and that's a significant red mark on your tournament resume. And if you have been paying attention at all, upsets are in vogue this season.
I like that their best big man isn't accurate outside of 5 feet. I hate that they sometimes go small and put freshman stretch 4 Julian Champagnie at the 5. Wojo has to let him shoot and tell Theo and Jayce to stay home when they are defending him.
I think Bailey can handle Figueroa and Sacar/McEwen can handle Heron. I would purposefully play a little looser on Rasheem Dun when he is in the game and try to force St. John's to put the ball in his hands. The couple times I have seen Dunn play he tends to attack the rim with reckless abandon and no clear plan. I think John and Johnson could eat him alive if we can tempt him in.
What I don't like is that SJU is a hard team to game plan for. Wojo's gameplanning strength is coming up with plans to shut down or limit top scorers. SJU's roster is a bit all over the place. Every one in their rotation is capable of putting up a goose egg or a double digit scoring effort. Can't game plan for any specific players because any of them could have a great or off night.
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One positive is we've really improved our turnover rate as the season has gone on. We're down to 18.5% which is 118th in the country. I believe we were in the 300s at one point this year.
In conference games, we're 2nd best (15.7%) behind SJU (14%).
I'd felt we had gotten better at this, but the numbers really drive it home. Thanks for providing.
If we take care of the ball and rebound, we should win with room to spare.
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Always enjoy playing The Johnnies on Al's night.
An excellent research report by Ben Steele from a couple of years ago on Als Night.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2018/02/21/author-joseph-declan-moran-discusses-al-mcguire-connection-between-mu-st-johns/357018002/
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This game makes me nervous not because I don't think we will win (I think we win by double digits) but because it is high risk, low reward. Beat St. John's at home and no one cares. Lose to St. John's at home and that's a significant red mark on your tournament resume. And if you have been paying attention at all, upsets are in vogue this season.
I like that their best big man isn't accurate outside of 5 feet. I hate that they sometimes go small and put freshman stretch 4 Julian Champagnie at the 5. Wojo has to let him shoot and tell Theo and Jayce to stay home when they are defending him.
I think Bailey can handle Figueroa and Sacar/McEwen can handle Heron. I would purposefully play a little looser on Rasheem Dun when he is in the game and try to force St. John's to put the ball in his hands. The couple times I have seen Dunn play he tends to attack the rim with reckless abandon and no clear plan. I think John and Johnson could eat him alive if we can tempt him in.
What I don't like is that SJU is a hard team to game plan for. Wojo's gameplanning strength is coming up with plans to shut down or limit top scorers. SJU's roster is a bit all over the place. Every one in their rotation is capable of putting up a goose egg or a double digit scoring effort. Can't game plan for any specific players because any of them could have a great or off night.
I like your take, TAMU, except the part about upsets being in vogue this season. Some will ignore that simple fact, instead labeling it as an "excuse." You gotta pay attention, my friend: Marquette is the ONLY team that loses games it "should win."
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MU82
I do not even know what qualifies as an upset this season. TAMU is right, I have said college ball has been down for 4-5 years, but this year is the craziest I have ever seen. That said, I would be mildly surprises if St. John's finds a way to beat MU tomorrow night.
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Dread is too strong a word for me, I prefer caution. If there is no caution then your not paying attention to what's been happening in the CBB world. To borrow a phrase "it's been upset city." And if you go in blindly thinking you're gonna win your setting yourself for a Trap game. My thoughts.
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I hate St. John's.
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We don't appear to be too confident/comfortable handling full court pressure.
I agree, MU does not appear confident with the press break... But on the other hand they've generally been successful getting it across, and getting into the offense.
I *think* they're being deliberate with it, and trying to avoid the turnover vs going for the easy bucket.
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I agree, MU does not appear confident with the press break... But on the other hand they've generally been successful getting it across, and getting into the offense.
I *think* they're being deliberate with it, and trying to avoid the turnover vs going for the easy bucket.
Agree with this. The easiest way to prevent issues with the press is just to stop them from putting the ball in the basket. Our defense can make it way easier for our offense if we can get some stops.
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I thought they looked really good against Arizona away from NYC (beat them) and on Saturday should have beaten Seton Hall at home. They have talent. This will be a tough game, don't like that is it on a weekday night either. Hope the fans come and bring it....glad the students are here for this one.
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I hate St. John's.
Said another way, and perhaps more efficiently: "SJU Sucks!"
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MU opens minus 9
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St. John's put tons of energy in the game versus Seton Hall on Saturday. Lot their 13 point lead. I feel and hope they will be flat on Tuesday.
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Wear gold.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2020/1/20/mens-basketball-mubb-hosts-st-johns-tuesday-on-als-night.aspx
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You do understand the premise of the thread, yes?
Oh and, ahem...
Yes, the premise is that this is going to be a difficult game. Notice I didn’t say that about Nova, but still said we would win. I love the Nova matchup. I loved the Xavier matchup. I do NOT love the Johnnies matchup.
No other motive or premise to understand.
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I cannot recall a year in the last 40 that there were games against teams we should beat on paper that I did not feel a need for concern. It did not matter who the coach was. With losses against UWGreen Bay, Maine, DePaul, Stetson, Miami of Ohio, Omaha, and others to prove the point. Conference games are always reasons for concern.
Stetson...Good Lord. My Freshman year I think....but I thought we won.
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St. John’s is a hard to team to judge but I think I would categorize them as a home team.
They played Butler, Zona, DePaul and Seton Hall tough but then got demolished by Xavier and Georgetown. Difference was where the games were played. They play Providence close on the road but that is it.
They have also been a game we should have won quite a few times since joining the big East.
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St. John’s is a hard to team to judge but I think I would categorize them as a home team.
They played Butler, Zona, DePaul and Seton Hall tough but then got demolished by Xavier and Georgetown. Difference was where the games were played. They play Providence close on the road but that is it.
They have also been a game we should have won quite a few times since joining the big East.
Fair points. I would note the Arizona game was in San Francisco
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It was said earlier but the real key is to limit live ball turnovers. St. John's half court offense is abysmal but they can score in transition. They bullied Seton Hall into 15 first half turnovers and had a 13 point halftime lead. Seton Hall limited the turnovers to 4 in the second half and outscored them by 16.
Seton Hall did have an interesting counterpunch in that game. They came out of halftime with a really aggressive full court press. St. John's looked like they had never seen a press before. It's possible they haven't because most coaches try to slow the game down against them. Don't think we try that strategy but it could be an interesting wrinkle.
I think with a friend home whistle, we should win pretty easily. At their place will be a little more difficult.
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Fair points. I would note the Arizona game was in San Francisco
You are correct. Zona is another home team. Their best non-home win was a neutral court against Wake. They haven’t won on the road.
Regardless the Johnnies can be a good team on any given night but consistency is a problem. Hopefully we get them on a bad night so it isn’t close.
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Big question for me is, can we handle their guard's defensive quickness? If we can keep our turnovers down we win this going away.
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Big question for me is, can we handle their guard's defensive quickness? If we can keep our turnovers down we win this going away.
Call me a blind optimist, but with Koby and Brendan starting, I like Marquettes chances more than I have in the past.
Definitely on the defensive side of the ball, and certainly in handling StJ pressure on offense.
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Stetson...Good Lord. My Freshman year I think....but I thought we won.
MU added Stetson to the schedule in 1979. With a road game the following year in Florida to give Oliver Lee a "home" game.
At the time Lee was referred to as the Magic Johnson of Florida.
The local paper even ran with the headline, "Welcome home Big O" on gameday.
They packed in over 6,000 to their gym. Looking back I wonder if Lee's little 3-year nephew Vince Carter was in attendance.
Stetson had a big guy and they feed the ball in and the combo of Schlundt/Byrd were no match.
I think MU played them for about 10 years with only the 1980 game in Florida. I'm pretty sure MU won all the other games.
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O Lee definitely had a world of talent. Always loved his one handed rebounds.
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MU opens minus 9
That's a lotta freakin' points. I wouldn't be comfortable betting on MU, that's for sure ... but then again, I never bet on our games either way.
O Lee definitely had a world of talent. Always loved his one handed rebounds.
O Lee was the star of the team my first three years at MU, though I much preferred Sam Worthen and, later, Glenn Rivers. O Lee was the definition of "knucklehead." He had a world of talent but he'd make several knuckleheaded plays every game. He also was a guy who might not have qualified for MU under today's academic rules.
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If we come out as flat as vs. PC, the eight we have to lay might as well be 18.
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Love those unis.
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If we come out as flat as vs. PC, the eight we have to lay might as well be 18.
This is the result of the crowd as well.
PC game was "too early" for many. Forum half full coming off a win against Nova and it's no surprise the kids looked nonchalant as the crowd provided the atmosphere of a morgue.
Johnnies game is probably "too late" for some. Could only be 12-14,000. If they're as quiet, regardless of play on the floor, as they were against PC you'll likely see the same outcome.
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This is the result of the crowd as well.
PC game was "too early" for many. Forum half full coming off a win against Nova and it's no surprise the kids looked nonchalant as the crowd provided the atmosphere of a morgue.
Johnnies game is probably "too late" for some. Could only be 12-14,000. If they're as quiet, regardless of play on the floor, as they were against PC you'll likely see the same outcome.
You might be right, but I'm not in love with that excuse. (Not saying you're making an excuse; just saying I hope it's not an excuse for the team.)
Play good basketball because you're supposed to play good basketball. We crushed USC at that Orlando tournament even though it looked on TV like only family and friends were in the arena.
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You might be right, but I'm not in love with that excuse. (Not saying you're making an excuse; just saying I hope it's not an excuse for the team.)
Play good basketball because you're supposed to play good basketball. We crushed USC at that Orlando tournament even though it looked on TV like only family and friends were in the arena.
I agree with this. We are an experienced team and have played in front if less enthusiastic crowds. It’s kind of a given for weekday games. I think that we should be able to come out with the right energy so it’s not an issue.
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This is the result of the crowd as well.
PC game was "too early" for many. Forum half full coming off a win against Nova and it's no surprise the kids looked nonchalant as the crowd provided the atmosphere of a morgue.
Johnnies game is probably "too late" for some. Could only be 12-14,000. If they're as quiet, regardless of play on the floor, as they were against PC you'll likely see the same outcome.
615 "too early" and 815 "too late"? Bunch of pansies.
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This is the result of the crowd as well.
PC game was "too early" for many. Forum half full coming off a win against Nova and it's no surprise the kids looked nonchalant as the crowd provided the atmosphere of a morgue.
Johnnies game is probably "too late" for some. Could only be 12-14,000. If they're as quiet, regardless of play on the floor, as they were against PC you'll likely see the same outcome.
PC game was well attended (14,400 paid). Late forming but the crowd was good and loud for a game on break and early for those traveling to the game. We were even surprised that it was so good.
Btw, that crowd was about 2,000 greater than the MU game at Seton Hall. Spoiled.
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PC game was well attended (14,400 paid). Late forming but the crowd was good and loud for a game on break and early for those traveling to the game. We were even surprised that it was so good.
Btw, that crowd was about 2,000 greater than the MU game at Seton Hall. Spoiled.
I felt it was super quiet except for about two short times. Weird
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I felt it was super quiet except for about two short times. Weird
Well, PC came out and punched MU in the face in the first half. There were no MU runs into the start of the 2nd. So, everything is relative I guess but I thought the crowd was good for a weekday break game. Certainly not why MU lost. I remember break games at the BC that had bad homily-like crowds and vibes.
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The PC game did have a good crowd, but it was late-arriving. I'm sure I'm not the only fan that works till 5:00, and it's not easy to get a few beers in me and get to my seats for a 6:00 tipoff. Tonight's 8:00 tipoff, however, allows plenty of time for pre-gaming. Expect the crowd to be louder tonight from the top, even if it is a Tuesday.
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We are a better team than ST. Johns. We are playing at home. 3-3 teams shouldn't have trap games.
If we are not "out effort-ed", we should win comfortably.
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Don’t worry guys. I am sporting my lucky Marquette socks tonight. They are 3-0 this year when I wear them. I am owning the loss to Providence. They were dirty and I didn’t put on my big boy pants and wear them anyway.
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I would purposefully play a little looser on Rasheem Dun when he is in the game and try to force St. John's to put the ball in his hands. The couple times I have seen Dunn play he tends to attack the rim with reckless abandon and no clear plan. I think John and Johnson could eat him alive if we can tempt him in.
Ahem
Rasheem Dunn 4/15 from the floor. Pretty sure he accounted for 4 or 5 of Marquette's 10 blocks.
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No foul trouble for Markus. He passed Christian Laettner on the all-time scoring list and just missed passing Danny Ainge.
MU dictated the pace tonight, solid play from Koby McEwen and Jayce Johnson.
All in all, a nice way to finish off Al's Night at the Fabulous Forum.
Go Warriors!
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Glad it is over, they are a pesky team and I hate playing these guys. On to Butler
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Glad it is over, they are a pesky team and I hate playing these guys. Ok to Butler
Marquette has had difficulty playing against them dating back to the buzz years so it’s a good win. They always have trouble with their aggressiveness.
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Marquette has had difficulty playing against them dating back to the buzz years so it’s a good win. They always have trouble with their aggressiveness.
They definitely sped Marquette up a bit tonight and made it ugly. The pace of the game may have been just enough to affect Marquettes 3pt shooting. If even a third of those missed threes go in, the game would have been a true blowout.
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Who do we play tomoro night?
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No foul trouble for Markus. He passed Christian Laettner on the all-time scoring list and just missed passing Danny Ainge.
Who will no doubt whine about it when it happens.