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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on January 18, 2020, 03:19:11 PM
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Morrow’s departure really showed today and will the rest of the season.
Hope the young man understands his brothers and how important he can be still to this team.
Great job by Chef Johnson and Theo hanging tough with some amazingly bad calls.
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Morrow’s departure really showed today and will the rest of the season.
Hope the young man understands his brothers and how important he can be still to this team.
Great job by Chef Johnson and Theo hanging tough with some amazingly bad calls.
Nah, that's blue and gold goggles, homie.
Big ups to Johnson though. Looked really good today.
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Nah, that's blue and gold goggles, homie.
Big ups to Johnson though. Looked really good today.
Second foul on JJ was soooo bad. The third foul on Theo was ridiculous.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/kkwiQmGWK4c
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Johnson plays his role well. He has a knack for getting offensive rebounds. He has kept a few possessions alive and led to second chance basket.
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How did it show? Theo and JJ have been great the last two games without ed. 14pts and 12 boards. today, didn't look like they missed him at all frankly
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Johnson plays his role well. He has a knack for getting offensive rebounds. He has kept a few possessions alive and led to second chance basket.
Johnny09’s head....
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Second foul on JJ was soooo bad. The third foul on Theo was ridiculous.
Completely agree.
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How did it show? Theo and JJ have been great the last two games without ed. 14pts and 12 boards. today, didn't look like they missed him at all frankly
JJ fouled out. Theo finished with 4 fouls. 90 more seconds we may have seen BB or JC defending man bun or Wahab. We were fortunate.
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Sane for GT bigs. Theo and JJ have been great the last two games.
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JJ fouled out. Theo finished with 4 fouls. 90 more seconds we may have seen BB or JC defending man bun or Wahab. We were fortunate.
Marquette will miss Ed sooner than later.
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Morrow’s departure really showed today and will the rest of the season.
Hope the young man understands his brothers and how important he can be still to this team.
Great job by Chef Johnson and Theo hanging tough with some amazingly bad calls.
who?
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The probability that Ed has even watched a second of either of the last 2 games is slim to none. I think the guy is long gone and the only reason it wasn’t announced that he quit was to save face on both sides.
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How did it show? Theo and JJ have been great the last two games without ed. 14pts and 12 boards. today, didn't look like they missed him at all frankly
You can't possibly be serious. Theo had to play Yurtseven so passively down the stretch and he was eating us up. Would have liked to have seen a double team at times to take pressure off Theo. Had Theo picked up his fifth or the game gone to OT we were in huge trouble. Ed's role may have been whatever he could do in 5-15 mins per game, but the 5 extra fouls and his toughness were a huge luxury for the team.
Theo and Jayce played well, but needing them to cover 40 minutes every game and remain healthy the rest of the year puts us on thin ice. I hope and am sure we are working on lineup without them in practice. Bound to happen at some point.
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You can't possibly be serious. Theo had to play Yurtseven so passively down the stretch and he was eating us up. Would have liked to have seen a double team at times to take pressure off Theo. Had Theo picked up his fifth or the game gone to OT we were in huge trouble. Ed's role may have been whatever he could do in 5-15 mins per game, but the 5 extra fouls and his toughness were a huge luxury for the team.
Theo and Jayce played well, but needing them to cover 40 minutes every game and remain healthy the rest of the year puts us on thin ice. I hope and am sure we are working on lineup without them in practice. Bound to happen at some point.
Agree with this analysis
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Agree with this analysis
Ditto.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/kkwiQmGWK4c
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Second foul on JJ was soooo bad. The third foul on Theo was ridiculous.
I agree, but this seems to be a consistent problem
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You can't possibly be serious. Theo had to play Yurtseven so passively down the stretch and he was eating us up. Would have liked to have seen a double team at times to take pressure off Theo. Had Theo picked up his fifth or the game gone to OT we were in huge trouble. Ed's role may have been whatever he could do in 5-15 mins per game, but the 5 extra fouls and his toughness were a huge luxury for the team.
Theo and Jayce played well, but needing them to cover 40 minutes every game and remain healthy the rest of the year puts us on thin ice. I hope and am sure we are working on lineup without them in practice. Bound to happen at some point.
I think it leave them thin depth wise, but three bigs is too many to give regular minutes to. I think it had a lot to do with Theo's slow start this year, and I think he will primarily benefit from Ed's departure.
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I think it leave them thin depth wise, but three bigs is too many to give regular minutes to. I think it had a lot to do with Theo's slow start this year, and I think he will primarily benefit from Ed's departure.
I agree. Hard to split minutes 3 ways for 1 position.
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well the stats the last two games don't lie. Ed would have had zero chance against GT big
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well the stats the last two games don't lie. Ed would have had zero chance against GT big
I’ll take his fouls at the very least
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I’ll take his fouls at the very least
Five additional fouls can be valuble. But you can have that without someone being a rotation player. Look at Matt last year. Ed didn't want that role.
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The probability that Ed has even watched a second of either of the last 2 games is slim to none. I think the guy is long gone and the only reson it wasn't announced that he QUIT was to save face on both sides.
sometimes it's best to wait and see-don't put yourself into a "cnn" moment
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Five additional fouls can be valuble. But you can have that without someone being a rotation player. Look at Matt last year. Ed didn't want that role.
Exactly...and I’m hoping Ed Morrow reconsiders
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Ed would have struggled today guarding a pair of 7 foot tall post players. But better him than Bailey or Cain.
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How did it show? Theo and JJ have been great the last two games without ed. 14pts and 12 boards. today, didn't look like they missed him at all frankly
I would rather Ed be on the team but it's true the last two games have pretty much been the best back to back games from the C position we've had this year. So...coincidence? Jayce is really coming on strong. Seems like his knee must be feeling better. If they could eliminate the head-scratching fouls I would have nothing to complain about from that position the last two games.
Great W today!
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If he quit, it's time to move on. If he walked out on his teammates, we are better off without him. It's not a coincidence that Jayce is playing much better with more playing time. Dividing 40 minutes 3 ways, does not allow any of the 3 to get into the flow of the game.
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We have a better chance of Edward R Murrow lacing em up.
Actually, I have no idea, but I have been wanting to say that name since Ed signed.
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sometimes it's best to wait and see-don't put yourself into a "cnn" moment
As opposed to the "fox" moment, where they opine that he quit because he is lazy?
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Johnson has been thriving in an increased role over the last two games.
"I've been feeling good and the team's feeling good," Johnson said. "We've had some adversity, some bumps in the road. But I think these last few games we've really utilized our self-worth and what we can really do when we put our minds to it."
It felt like a team victory, even with Howard taking 31 shots and scoring half his team's points. That's what MU is looking for as it navigates a tough Big East.
"I think the balance is getting there," Howard said. "And I think the camaraderie overall is getting better and better after each game.
"I know we all have the same mind-set at this point. We're all on the same mission. We're trying to execute our best on a daily basis. We're not trying to look to far in the future."
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the 5 extra fouls would have been nice. the potential turnovers he might have had would have frustrated me today though especially in a close one.
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Johnson has been thriving in an increased role over the last two games.
"I've been feeling good and the team's feeling good," Johnson said. "We've had some adversity, some bumps in the road. But I think these last few games we've really utilized our self-worth and what we can really do when we put our minds to it."
It felt like a team victory, even with Howard taking 31 shots and scoring half his team's points. That's what MU is looking for as it navigates a tough Big East.
"I think the balance is getting there," Howard said. "And I think the camaraderie overall is getting better and better after each game.
"I know we all have the same mind-set at this point. We're all on the same mission. We're trying to execute our best on a daily basis. We're not trying to look to far in the future."
I appreciate Jayce utilizing his self worth to help drive us toward victory.
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Agreed.....however I’m quite certain Ed is not returning as some here hope.
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Maybe the fact Ed didn't play any 4 this year had something wrong with it. Bailey or Cain could of played some 3 splitting time with Sacar.
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That would have been nice. But there have not been many situations that called for two bigs. And Ed is not great on the perimeter on either offense or defense. And Wojo appears to be sticking with 4-out as his offense.
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That would have been nice. But there have not been many situations that called for two bigs. And Ed is not great on the perimeter on either offense or defense. And Wojo appears to be sticking with 4-out as his offense.
Sounds about right.
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That would have been nice. But there have not been many situations that called for two bigs. And Ed is not great on the perimeter on either offense or defense. And Wojo appears to be sticking with 4-out as his offense.
Ultimately, it wasn't as much about Ed competing with Theo and Jayce for minutes but Bailey & Cain, and even Sacar to an extent. As a perimeter player, that's tough competition for a guy like Morrow.
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can't answer the question though? so you would rather have people throwing all of these accusations out there? don't have any idea of what sheep have to do with this
No, people shouldn't ascribe overly negatives reasons until more is known. Likewise, sheep shouldn't mindlessly get their two minute hate on for whomever Dear Leader tells them to hate.
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Agreed.....however I’m quite certain Ed is not returning as some here hope.
Did he get his degree?
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Ultimately, it wasn't as much about Ed competing with Theo and Jayce for minutes but Bailey & Cain, and even Sacar to an extent. As a perimeter player, that's tough competition for a guy like Morrow.
I don't think so. Ed can't - and never could - play the 4. What do you think Ed could do? Stand behind the 3-point line like Bailey/Cain/Sacar and wait for an open 3?
He couldn't play the 4 on offense and he couldn't play the 4 on defense. He was little more than a fallback for when the bigs got in foul trouble. Great effort, but most often, not so great results.
If he quit on the team because he didn't like his role, good riddance! If it is a personal or medical issue, then I would gladly welcome him back.
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I don't think so. Ed can't - and never could - play the 4. What do you think Ed could do? Stand behind the 3-point line like Bailey/Cain/Sacar and wait for an open 3?
He couldn't play the 4 on offense and he couldn't play the 4 on defense. He was little more than a fallback for when the bigs got in foul trouble. Great effort, but most often, not so great results.
Which is why he didn't get the minutes he wanted. The 2-big plan would've given Ed a chance at the 4, but he couldn't get past Bailey, Cain, & Anim. I think your disagreement is actually agreement. My point was that he couldn't play the 4 in our system.
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Does anybody know if Wojo promised Morrow he'd get to play the 4 here?
And by promised, I mean saying just that -- "We definitely will play you at the 4," and not merely, "If you show us over time in practice that you can be one of our better options at the 4, we'll give you a shot there" ... as those are two very different things.
Reason I ask:
If, in recruiting Morrow to transfer to MU and/or convincing Morrow this past offseason to stay at MU, Wojo totally promised Morrow he'd get minutes at the 4, I don't like that Wojo then denied Morrow the chance to play 4.
However, if Wojo only promised Morrow would get a look at the 4 in practice to determine if he was one of our best options at the position, that's more than fair, and I have no problem with that. Those of us who have watched MU play these last two seasons know that Ed has shown he is an undersized 5, not a forward.
If the latter is what Wojo promised and Ed simply heard what he wanted to hear ("We'll let you play 4"), that's not on the coaching staff. They had a chance to get a proven college center in Jayce, they did so, and Jayce beat out Morrow for the majority of minutes behind Theo. Almost everybody who has watched us play this season can see that's exactly what happened.
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Last time I checked a coach played their best players. Yes, a judgment call but if a coach didn't follow that rule they would end up being fired. All a coach can do is offer a player a fair chance. That subjective issue is why D1 basketball has a 25 to 30-percent transfer rate these days.
I sure wish Morrow was back with his teammates. It's his call. I just think in the long run it would be in his interested to finish things out at the college level because it will make the next steps that much easier down the line.
As far as team chemistry goes the last two games have shown clearer roles and more cohesiveness. To make things work down the road Morrow would have to accept the role he is asked to play. There's addition by subtraction and there's the potential of a "team" being even greater than the sum of the individual players.
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Losing Ed is addition by subtraction. I wish him well, hope he does well in life, appreciate his time as a warrior et.al. but he's basically 5 fouls and a scout team player. He's the guy the coach needs to tell everyone else not to pass it to. As we all go through life honesty and reality occasionally collide creating a change in our lives. This is Ed's collision. Get a degree from MU, young man, use your people skills to get a great job, and go make "basketball player money" in the business world.
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Exactly...and I’m hoping Ed Morrow reconsiders
Barring a miracle, word is Ed is gone.
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I like Ed. His block against Happ makes him forever a good guy. I hope he decides to return. But he has to understand his role and his limitations. His game is the similar to Jayce's or Theo's, but he is only 6'7 (ish). He has not shown the lateral quickness on defense or the perimeter game on offense to play a wing in the 4-out offense. I wish he had. It would be great if he could trade time with Brendan at the 4, dribble, drive, hit a jumper. That would allow Jamal to slide down and play more 3 behind Sacar. But it hasn't revealed itself yet.
So, he is fed up and frustrated. But, the way Theo and Jayce are playing, can anybody make the case he should be getting a lot more regular minutes against the average Big East post player?
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I like Ed. His block against Happ makes him forever a good guy. I hope he decides to return. But he has to understand his role and his limitations. His game is the similar to Jayce's or Theo's, but he is only 6'7 (ish). He has not shown the lateral quickness on defense or the perimeter game on offense to play a wing in the 4-out offense. I wish he had. It would be great if he could trade time with Brendan at the 4, dribble, drive, hit a jumper. That would allow Jamal to slide down and play more 3 behind Sacar. But it hasn't revealed itself yet.
So, he is fed up and frustrated. But, the way Theo and Jayce are playing, can anybody make the case he should be getting a lot more regular minutes against the average Big East post player?
I know of only 2 Scoopers who think Morrow got a raw deal. Maybe there are others, but it's hard to believe anybody can have seen our games so far this last year and a half and come to any conclusions other than these:
1. Morrow cannot play 4 in today's college basketball.
2. Morrow is our third most-effective 5.
That said, I wish he still were on the team for all the reasons most others have stated: We could use the depth, his toughness in spots, his fouls, etc. And, as I've said, I would buy him a beer just for his role in helping us beat Madison last season.
But, as always, I worry about those who want to be Warriors, right here and right now. I don't mean that as an indictment of Ed or anybody else who leaves. Looking forward is simply all we can do.
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I agree I wish Ed were on the team in a role similar to Heldt's...and not to throw dirt on the guy's grave, but the only reason he got that block against the Bagders is because he completely lost Happ on defense to start with and, fortunately, made a frantic recovery.
Somewhere down the line Morrow's absence may cost us a game, but I believe that having Theo and Jayce split the lion's share of the minutes might win us 1 or more games as opposed to a three-way allocation at center.
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I agree I wish Ed were on the team in a role similar to Heldt's...and not to throw dirt on the guy's grave, but the only reason he got that block against the Bagders is because he completely lost Happ on defense to start with and, fortunately, made a frantic recovery.
Somewhere down the line Morrow's absence may cost us a game, but I believe that having Theo and Jayce split the lion's share of the minutes might win us 1 or more games as opposed to a three-way allocation at center.
You're spot on.
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I agree I wish Ed were on the team in a role similar to Heldt's...and not to throw dirt on the guy's grave, but the only reason he got that block against the Bagders is because he completely lost Happ on defense to start with and, fortunately, made a frantic recovery.
Somewhere down the line Morrow's absence may cost us a game, but I believe that having Theo and Jayce split the lion's share of the minutes might win us 1 or more games as opposed to a three-way allocation at center.
Not gonna take that block away from Morrow. Theo and other shot-blockers sometimes get blocked shots that way, too. And Morrow did more in that game besides block that shot. Had a huge OR and put-back, too, IIRC. Glad as hell we had him for that game.
You could be right about Morrow's departure being an addition by subtraction thing. I know I thought we were screwed when Jayce picked up #4 with 11-something to go at Georgetown (Theo already had #4), but we managed to win.
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I agree I wish Ed were on the team in a role similar to Heldt's...and not to throw dirt on the guy's grave, but the only reason he got that block against the Bagders is because he completely lost Happ on defense to start with and, fortunately, made a frantic recovery.
Somewhere down the line Morrow's absence may cost us a game, but I believe that having Theo and Jayce split the lion's share of the minutes might win us 1 or more games as opposed to a three-way allocation at center.
despite the fact that ed has under performed to the hype and expectations we all had, no need to minimize his performance. he has worked hard, shut his mouth and represented the school well. we don't know what's really going on, so to beat on the guy ex post facto is poor form. regardless of how you think he is needed or not or comes back or not and in what capacity fortunately is not up to you as we see your lack of appreciation for anything he has done so far. these guys work hard. i just hope ed figures out where his life can take him and move on. MU will always be a microcosm of his life experience-hopefully he can rejoin us in some capacity to finish out his collegiate career and make it as positive as possible
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I agree I wish Ed were on the team in a role similar to Heldt's...and not to throw dirt on the guy's grave, but the only reason he got that block against the Bagders is because he completely lost Happ on defense to start with and, fortunately, made a frantic recovery.
Somewhere down the line Morrow's absence may cost us a game, but I believe that having Theo and Jayce split the lion's share of the minutes might win us 1 or more games as opposed to a three-way allocation at center.
It was a great block and many great plays happen as a result of a mess up elsewhere, but a recovery nonetheless. Signature moment kind of play which requires no dirt thrown at all.
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Not gonna take that block away from Morrow. Theo and other shot-blockers sometimes get blocked shots that way, too. And Morrow did more in that game besides block that shot. Had a huge OR and put-back, too, IIRC. Glad as hell we had him for that game.
You could be right about Morrow's departure being an addition by subtraction thing. I know I thought we were screwed when Jayce picked up #4 with 11-something to go at Georgetown (Theo already had #4), but we managed to win.
I thought Georgetown was the rare team where any minutes Ed took would hurt rather than help. I think he would have been over-matched by those Georgetown Cs. I think there will be other teams we play where he would be a real help. I think if he played 10 minutes against Georgetown to help with the foul trouble, it could potentially have cost us the game, since it was so close. But I also think that would be the exception rather than the rule.
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despite the fact that ed has under performed to the hype and expectations we all had, no need to minimize his performance. he has worked hard, shut his mouth and represented the school well. we don't know what's really going on, so to beat on the guy ex post facto is poor form. regardless of how you think he is needed or not or comes back or not and in what capacity fortunately is not up to you as we see your lack of appreciation for anything he has done so far. these guys work hard. i just hope ed figures out where his life can take him and move on. MU will always be a microcosm of his life experience-hopefully he can rejoin us in some capacity to finish out his collegiate career and make it as positive as possible
Zzzzzzz...you're trying to pick a fight that isn't there.
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So since we no longer have Ed the question is what do you do when both 5s who are foul prone are in foul trouble like GT. The only guy I can see putting in there is Cain. Actually I'm surprised that in the 2nd half against GT Wojo didn't try to steal a few minutes with Cain at the 5 particularly when their freshman center was in. Its certainly not ideal but I don't see anyone else on the roster. I'd much rather have Cain playing the 5 for a few minutes in middle of the 2nd half than to have to put him out there at the end of a 1 possession game. I think they should also be practicing him at the 5 a little to prepare for the situation. Its likely to happen.
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I thought Georgetown was the rare team where any minutes Ed took would hurt rather than help. I think he would have been over-matched by those Georgetown Cs. I think there will be other teams we play where he would be a real help. I think if he played 10 minutes against Georgetown to help with the foul trouble, it could potentially have cost us the game, since it was so close. But I also think that would be the exception rather than the rule.
Glad not to have had to find out vs GT. I do think there might be a game or 3 in which we'll have wished we had a 3rd center -- and that's if Theo and Jayce stay healthy. If either of them get hurt, it could really hurt our chance to have a decent season.
So since we no longer have Ed the question is what do you do when both 5s who are foul prone are in foul trouble like GT. The only guy I can see putting in there is Cain. Actually I'm surprised that in the 2nd half against GT Wojo didn't try to steal a few minutes with Cain at the 5 particularly when their freshman center was in. Its certainly not ideal but I don't see anyone else on the roster. I'd much rather have Cain playing the 5 for a few minutes in middle of the 2nd half than to have to put him out there at the end of a 1 possession game. I think they should also be practicing him at the 5 a little to prepare for the situation. Its likely to happen.
I like to think there is some time in practice devoted to a scenario in which neither Jayce nor Theo is available for a several-minute stretch of a game.
I would think Bailey would be more competent there, as he is a better player in general and seems a little more willing and able to battle with the big guys. But doing so also could lead to him getting into foul trouble, so sure, maybe Cain.
I hope to never have to find out ... but I'd be kind of surprised if there weren't a few games in which we do find out.
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So since we no longer have Ed the question is what do you do when both 5s who are foul prone are in foul trouble like GT. The only guy I can see putting in there is Cain. Actually I'm surprised that in the 2nd half against GT Wojo didn't try to steal a few minutes with Cain at the 5 particularly when their freshman center was in. Its certainly not ideal but I don't see anyone else on the roster. I'd much rather have Cain playing the 5 for a few minutes in middle of the 2nd half than to have to put him out there at the end of a 1 possession game. I think they should also be practicing him at the 5 a little to prepare for the situation. Its likely to happen.
Glad u thought of that!, our stupid coaches prolly have not even considered it!!
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despite the fact that ed has under performed to the hype and expectations we all had, no need to minimize his performance. he has worked hard, shut his mouth and represented the school well. we don't know what's really going on, so to beat on the guy ex post facto is poor form. regardless of how you think he is needed or not or comes back or not and in what capacity fortunately is not up to you as we see your lack of appreciation for anything he has done so far. these guys work hard. i just hope ed figures out where his life can take him and move on. MU will always be a microcosm of his life experience-hopefully he can rejoin us in some capacity to finish out his collegiate career and make it as positive as possible
One of your better Posts, always nice when the Adult in the room comments.
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Glad u thought of that!, our stupid coaches prolly have not even considered it!!
Well it sure didn't seem like they'd thought of it going into the GT game. Given the propensity for those refs to call fouls its a miracle both guys didn't foul out
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Well, in reality the two centers we have left are both injured to one degree or another. Theo will need surgery on his hand, andJayce still does not have his elevation back. Better though. So we need to hope for the best Gi Marquette !
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Jayce gots hops, hoo new, hey?
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Well it sure didn't seem like they'd thought of it going into the GT game. Given the propensity for those refs to call fouls its a miracle both guys didn't foul out
Or maybe they just decided we were better off playing Theo and Jayce, even if it meant having to play a little less aggressively.
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Well it sure didn't seem like they'd thought of it going into the GT game. Given the propensity for those refs to call fouls its a miracle both guys didn't foul out
Sooo dumb!!! 😂😂😂
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Glad not to have had to find out vs GT. I do think there might be a game or 3 in which we'll have wished we had a 3rd center -- and that's if Theo and Jayce stay healthy. If either of them get hurt, it could really hurt our chance to have a decent season.
I agree with this, but just don't think the Georgetown game was one of those games because I don't think Morrow could handle those guys. At least with Cain or something, their C wouldn't have anyone he could guard either. If Johnson or John are injured, not having Morrow would certainly become a huge problem.
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So since we no longer have Ed the question is what do you do when both 5s who are foul prone are in foul trouble like GT. The only guy I can see putting in there is Cain. Actually I'm surprised that in the 2nd half against GT Wojo didn't try to steal a few minutes with Cain at the 5 particularly when their freshman center was in. Its certainly not ideal but I don't see anyone else on the roster. I'd much rather have Cain playing the 5 for a few minutes in middle of the 2nd half than to have to put him out there at the end of a 1 possession game. I think they should also be practicing him at the 5 a little to prepare for the situation. Its likely to happen.
Why not Bailey? Seems like he gets a lot of rebounds.
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Why not Bailey? Seems like he gets a lot of rebounds.
That's what I said, too. Bailey has really impressed me lately with his rebounding ability even when surrounded by opponents.
I would think biggest drawback would be potential of getting another key player in foul trouble. So from that standpoint, might some think Cain would be a better "sacrificial lamb" to try to get a few minutes at center in a pinch? Maybe.
Let's hope it doesn't come down to this ... but it certainly could happen. I like to think our coaching staff has such a contingency plan in place.
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Both bigs need to play smarter. Theo is still committing the same fouls as he did early in his freshman year. Jayce is just a fouling machine - always was.
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Both bigs need to play smarter. Theo is still committing the same fouls as he did early in his freshman year. Jayce is just a fouling machine - always was.
Theo as a frosh... 8.5 FC/40... this year... 6.4
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ND sucks.
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Plenty of pictures on the jumbo showing Ed tonight.
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The door is obviously open. I don’t get the impression he walks back through it though. Wish Ed the best.
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Theo as a frosh... 8.5 FC/40... this year... 6.4
Thank you.
And I didn’t realize Jockey Brand has been following Jayce his entire career, either.
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The door is obviously open.
The longer this goes on, the less I believe the rumors.
If Ed "simply" walked out on the team about an hour before the Xavier game - and didn't come begging forgiveness the next day - I don't think Wojo or the team "simply" welcome him back with open arms whenever he is ready.
Seems like there's more going on, just because all indications are he's welcome back when he's able.
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The longer this goes on, the less I believe the rumors.
If Ed "simply" walked out on the team about an hour before the Xavier game - and didn't come begging forgiveness the next day - I don't think Wojo or the team "simply" welcome him back with open arms whenever he is ready.
Seems like there's more going on, just because all indications are he's welcome back when he's able.
Agreed, I don’t think we know the whole story.
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And we Never will !!! This is a Team "family " thing... None of your business ! ! ! Let it go ! ! ! 8-)
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And we Never will !!! This is a Team "family " thing... None of your business ! ! ! Let it go ! ! ! 8-)
Exactly... if it’s something that will work itself out then we all will welcome Ed back, if not then I wish him the best!
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And we Never will !!! This is a Team "family " thing... None of your business ! ! ! Let it go ! ! ! 8-)
Wojo should make a public announcement about Ed's status.
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Wojo should make a public announcement about Ed's status.
He did. He said he is on indefinite leave.
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He did. He said he is on indefinite leave.
Ouch! That’s going to leave a mark!
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Not sure if I said this here or just on Twitter, but Ed is still included in the intro video before games. It's notable because when Haani and Carter left, their existence was scrubbed from everything by the next home game. No idea if he will be back or how he would be received if he wanted to come back, but I do think that indicates the Marquette side doesn't view him as banished.
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Ouch! That’s going to leave a mark!
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#mubb Senior forward Ed Morrow, who hasn't been with the team for personal reasons since Jan. 15, is no longer with the program. He remains enrolled at MU and is on track to graduate in May.
11:00 AM - 23 Jan 2020
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Closure. Poop.
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Glad he’ll graduate!
But bummed he left.
Jayce has been playing juuuust fine in ED’s absence.
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Good luck to Ed. They're playing better since his departure honestly. Easier to split center minutes between two guys. Just have to watch the fouls.
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Glad he'll graduate good for him. Personally I'd want to see the season through especially with so little left but to each their own.
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Agreed, I don’t think we know the whole story.
Or any of it and anything posted on scoop was blind rumors.
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Looking forward to more fine performances by Theo and Jayce, as we have received the last few games. I am glad that Wojo upgraded the position.
I have nothing but thanks to Ed for his hard work on behalf of the program, and I wish him well in whatever his life's endeavors might be.
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I wish he had stayed. Ah, well. Best of luck going forward.
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Wonder who his roommate is
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Disappointing that he left... we'll be ok though and I hope the best for him.
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Sorry to see him go.
Maybe Marquette can finish a season with more than 8 or 9 guys sometime in the next 20 years.
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Best wished to Ed. Sorry to hear it is confirmed he is done. Glad he'll finish out his degree at MU. On the plus side, it ultimately helps Wojo, Theo, and Jayce from the perspective of more clear cut role/minutes.
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Sorry to see him go.
Maybe Marquette can finish a season with more than 8 or 9 guys sometime in the next 20 years.
You mean like each of the past three seasons?
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I wish he had stayed. Ah, well. Best of luck going forward.
Ditto.
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Bummer. I understand his frustration and obviously don't know the whole story, but hopefully he realizes what he's giving up by not finishing out his career here.
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Really dumb decision for Ed. Can't imagine this is something he's going to be proud of down the line.
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Sorry to hear of his decision to leave the team. At least he overcame his emotions enough to remain and graduate. Wish nothing but the best for him
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Really dumb decision for Ed. Can't imagine this is something he's going to be proud of down the line.
Since you obviously know all the facts, circumstances, and details surrounding his departure, perhaps you can fill us all in? It would be nice to know the whole factual story, so we can substantiate your opinions that it was a "really dumb decision," and not "something he's going to be proud of down the line."
You couldn't possibly be casting judgment on something you don't know everything or anything about, could you?
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He wasn't happy with his role and he left. It's not much of a secret. If he truly was unhappy, I doubt he will have much regret. He will undoubtedly play somewhere overseas if he wants, and how he ended his career at MU will have no bearing on that.
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You couldn't possibly be casting judgment on something you don't know everything or anything about, could you?
You're new around here, I see.
Scoop would be a very dull place if we didn't all cast judgement on things we don't know everything about.
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Looking forward to more fine performances by Theo and Jayce, as we have received the last few games. I am glad that Wojo upgraded the position.
I have nothing but thanks to Ed for his hard work on behalf of the program, and I wish him well in whatever his life's endeavors might be.
+1
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Wonder who his roommate is
Good point - and with him still taking classes, I wonder where he'll live now? Off campus? And does his scholarship disappear once he leaves the team?
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The team seems to be playing better the past couple of games, so barring injuries to our bigs, maybe everyone is better off.
But if Theo or Jayce get injured, both Ed and the team may wish he had stuck it out.
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Wish him the best and success in the future. We appreciate the effort he put in with the team.
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He didn't want to risk his status for the NFL by playing in meaningless exhibitions.
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I wish him safe... Travels.
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Since you obviously know all the facts, circumstances, and details surrounding his departure, perhaps you can fill us all in? It would be nice to know the whole factual story, so we can substantiate your opinions that it was a "really dumb decision," and not "something he's going to be proud of down the line."
You couldn't possibly be casting judgment on something you don't know everything or anything about, could you?
Lol. The dude quit in the middle of his senior season because he was unhappy with role. He'll never play another minute of college basketball. I wish he had stayed, but he got the minutes - or perhaps more - than he frankly deserved.
So yes, I do think think down the road Ed will have wished he swallowed his pride and finished the season. We'll miss his 5 fouls, and we'll miss him more if JJ and Theo get injured and have to miss games. Outside of that, not sure there is much of a loss.
Wish the kid well. But I will always think that quitting on your team is dumb decision. Don't give two fu**s if you agree or not.
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I wish him safe... Travels.
Lmao
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I wish him safe... Travels.
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Best wishes to Ed.
It occurred to me that we saw MU begin to employ the 'Markus-less 2-3 zone' in the last game. I'd expect that trend to continue during his brief rest breaks and in specialty situations where Wojo has the ability to go offense/defense. It'll save wear and tear on the Center position and help protect those 10 fouls. I'll also be watching for the Centerless wrinkle to emerge pretty quickly. Cain?
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Lol. The dude quit in the middle of his senior season because he was unhappy with role. He'll never play another minute of college basketball. I wish he had stayed, but he got the minutes - or perhaps more - than he frankly deserved.
So yes, I do think think down the road Ed will have wished he swallowed his pride and finished the season. We'll miss his 5 fouls, and we'll miss him more if JJ and Theo get injured and have to miss games. Outside of that, not sure there is much of a loss.
Wish the kid well. But I will always think that quitting on your team is dumb decision. Don't give two fu**s if you agree or not.
Your post is rather unfortunate.
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Lol. The dude quit in the middle of his senior season because he was unhappy with role. He'll never play another minute of college basketball. I wish he had stayed, but he got the minutes - or perhaps more - than he frankly deserved.
So yes, I do think think down the road Ed will have wished he swallowed his pride and finished the season. We'll miss his 5 fouls, and we'll miss him more if JJ and Theo get injured and have to miss games. Outside of that, not sure there is much of a loss.
Wish the kid well. But I will always think that quitting on your team is dumb decision. Don't give two fu**s if you agree or not.
I mean I'm purely speculating here, but I can't help but wonder if he was told last year after the Hauser's left that he'd be playing more 4 this year, and hence why he worked on his jump shot all offseason. IF that is the case, and of course he ended up playing the 5 behind Theo and Jayce, I can understand why he'd be frustrated.
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Your post is rather unfortunate.
Unfortunate indeed, from my vantage point. To each, their own. Good for JJJJ and his steadfast conviction, I guess.
Empathy is a lost art. You never know what anyone is going through until you take some time to get to know them. But that doesn't stop us from judging others, often without fully understanding that which we judge.
James 4:11-12
Best wishes to Ed.
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Your post is rather unfortunate.
I thought it was pretty fair. I wished him well. I said I hoped he had stayed.
The dude quit on his teammates, which is the real unfortunate bit here. Per the basketball program, he's staying in school, so its not like he's leaving because he has to move to deal with a family matter, or some other terrible circumstance. He quit because he was butthurt about his playing time.
I wish Ed well, but you'll never see me be impressed with quitter.
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I mean I'm purely speculating here, but I can't help but wonder if he was told last year after the Hauser's left that he'd be playing more 4 this year, and hence why he worked on his jump shot all offseason. IF that is the case, and of course he ended up playing the 5 behind Theo and Jayce, I can understand why he'd be frustrated.
Maybe he should have worked on being able to make a shot outside of 2 feet with a defender on him. Or putting the ball on the ground without traveling. Two things that would be pretty vital to getting minutes at the 4, and he was 100% completely unable to do either. I don't doubt Wojo told him he'd get minutes at the 4 before he transferred, and perhaps again when the Hausers left. But its not like Ed went out there and earned more minutes with the playing time he did receive, and he showed absolutely no ability to play anything other than right under the basket.
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I thought it was pretty fair. I wished him well. I said I hoped he had stayed.
The dude quit on his teammates, which is the real unfortunate bit here. Per the basketball program, he's staying in school, so its not like he's leaving because he has to move to deal with a family matter, or some other terrible circumstance. He quit because he was butthurt about his playing time.
I wish Ed well, but you'll never see me be impressed with quitter.
No one said you should be impressed with him. Perhaps more sympathetic as you don't know the whole story, what his frustrations may be stemming from, or how unhappy he may have been.
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Good to see Ed is in a place mentally/personally that he can at least finish school. As far as basketball goes, it seems the team needed him to take on more of a Matt Heldt type role the remainder of the season and he just wasn’t interested in doing that. I’ll never watch a game this season and think, “damn, I wish we had Ed.” Even if the bigs are in foul trouble. He didn’t want to be on the team anymore and has moved on. I have as well.
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I mean I'm purely speculating here, but I can't help but wonder if he was told last year after the Hauser's left that he'd be playing more 4 this year, and hence why he worked on his jump shot all offseason. IF that is the case, and of course he ended up playing the 5 behind Theo and Jayce, I can understand why he'd be frustrated.
Even if he worked on it, he wasn't good enough. Couldn't put him out there at the 4, he would have been a complete liability in both ends.
I understand the frustration, like you said. But he didn't earn more minutes than he received.
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I thought it was pretty fair. I wished him well. I said I hoped he had stayed.
The dude quit on his teammates, which is the real unfortunate bit here. Per the basketball program, he's staying in school, so its not like he's leaving because he has to move to deal with a family matter, or some other terrible circumstance. He quit because he was butthurt about his playing time.
I wish Ed well, but you'll never see me be impressed with quitter.
You should bring that philosophy to an AA meeting.
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Best wishes to Ed.
It occurred to me that we saw MU begin to employ the 'Markus-less 2-3 zone' in the last game. I'd expect that trend to continue during his brief rest breaks and in specialty situations where Wojo has the ability to go offense/defense. It'll save wear and tear on the Center position and help protect those 10 fouls. I'll also be watching for the Centerless wrinkle to emerge pretty quickly. Cain?
That would make a heck of a user name
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You should bring that philosophy to an AA meeting.
Fighting an addiction and quitting on a group of a guys you've committed to play with and for midseason as a senior are vastly different situations.
Again, wish Ed well. Hope he's able to make some money playing a game.
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No one said you should be impressed with him. Perhaps more sympathetic as you don't know the whole story, what his frustrations may be stemming from, or how unhappy he may have been.
I agree with this, and hold no ill will toward Ed. That said, it isn't inconceivable that he might come to regret his decision. Maybe Jayce or Theo get hurt, and he regrets the chance to finish his career on an up note. Or maybe we make a nice run, and he regrets not being part of a team that plays well into March. Or maybe as he matures, he regrets not being there for his teammates just in case.
None of us can know, and maybe the above scenarios are what JJJJJ was talking about.
Or maybe he is good with his decision for good, and that's fine too.
In any event, good luck to Ed.
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Fighting an addiction and quitting on a group of a guys you've committed to play with and for midseason as a senior are vastly different situations.
Again, wish Ed well. Hope he's able to make some money playing a game.
Was just joking around
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He wasn't happy with his role and he left. It's not much of a secret. If he truly was unhappy, I doubt he will have much regret. He will undoubtedly play somewhere overseas if he wants, and how he ended his career at MU will have no bearing on that.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
Or right MAYBE
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Wrong.
Well then what's the deal, yo yo?
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I thought it was pretty fair. I wished him well. I said I hoped he had stayed.
The dude quit on his teammates, which is the real unfortunate bit here. Per the basketball program, he's staying in school, so its not like he's leaving because he has to move to deal with a family matter, or some other terrible circumstance. He quit because he was butthurt about his playing time.
I wish Ed well, but you'll never see me be impressed with quitter.
#facepalm
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I'm not going to second guess the guy.
Good luck Ed.
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I'm not going to second guess the guy.
Good luck Ed.
Dis. ^^^^^^^^^^^
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The first MU release said it all. Personal reasons, leave it at that.
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I hate seeing someone quit mid season. Shame. Graduating, the alumni networking, etc...I don’t get it. Wishing him the best in his future endeavors
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The sun'll come out to Morrow ...
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The sun'll come out to Morrow ...
Morrow was someone you could go to Combat with.
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Morrow was someone you could go to Combat with.
Ohhh boy, now you’re aging us doc....would that be morrows named Vic for $500 Alex
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#facepalm
The facepalm is reciprocated.
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If MU continues to win and play better, should/would the Selection Committee give them a better seed than they otherwise would have had Ed stayed? It seems to work the other way around when guys come back from injuries, suspensions, etc. Ed’s poor play in the Providence game was a major reason for that loss.
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FWIW, this is from someone connected to the program ....
Ed quit the team knowing full well he was ending his basketball career. Not only at the college level, he is a fifth-year senior and could not transfer, but also any chance to play professionally after MU.
He is staying at MU to finish his degree.
Ed burned out of the game and lost passion/interest in playing. That was the driver of his decision. This is why he was losing playing time. He was losing his motivation to work hard enough to earn it back.
So instead of pouting on the bench, he made a mature decision to move on to the next stage of his life. He felt this spring his time was better spent on academics so he can graduate.
I understand this will not sit well here because the answer always has to be it is Wojo's fault, and the answer must be it means the program is a disaster.
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FWIW, this is from someone connected to the program ....
Ed quit the team knowing full well he was ending his basketball career. Not only at the college level, he is a fifth-year senior and could not transfer, but also any chance to play professionally after MU.
He is staying at MU to finish his degree.
Ed burned out of the game and lost passion/interest in playing. That was the driver of his decision. This is why he was losing playing time. He was losing his motivation to work hard enough to earn it back.
So instead of pouting on the bench, he made a mature decision to move on to the next stage of his life. He felt this spring his time was better spent on academics so he can graduate.
I understand this will not sit well here because the answer always has to be it is Wojo's fault, and the answer must be it means the program is a disaster.
Hey look scoop didn't know the full story and went on a rampage of the guy. What a surprise
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That is precisely why I try to wait for THE REST OF THE STORY...and there is probably more. Ed was an upstanding guy and represents MU well. Additionally, is true, it will show Ed to be a very bright and pragmatic guy. Good luck to him
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FWIW, this is from someone connected to the program ....
Ed quit the team knowing full well he was ending his basketball career. Not only at the college level, he is a fifth-year senior and could not transfer, but also any chance to play professionally after MU.
He is staying at MU to finish his degree.
Ed burned out of the game and lost passion/interest in playing. That was the driver of his decision. This is why he was losing playing time. He was losing his motivation to work hard enough to earn it back.
So instead of pouting on the bench, he made a mature decision to move on to the next stage of his life. He felt this spring his time was better spent on academics so he can graduate.
I understand this will not sit well here because the answer always has to be it is Wojo's fault, and the answer must be it means the program is a disaster.
Nothing is black and white. Lots of shades of gray.
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FWIW, this is from someone connected to the program ....
Ed quit the team knowing full well he was ending his basketball career. Not only at the college level, he is a fifth-year senior and could not transfer, but also any chance to play professionally after MU.
He is staying at MU to finish his degree.
Ed burned out of the game and lost passion/interest in playing. That was the driver of his decision. This is why he was losing playing time. He was losing his motivation to work hard enough to earn it back.
So instead of pouting on the bench, he made a mature decision to move on to the next stage of his life. He felt this spring his time was better spent on academics so he can graduate.
I understand this will not sit well here because the answer always has to be it is Wojo's fault, and the answer must be it means the program is a disaster.
If true, I wouldn't be surprised by this. Over the years, many many many cases of athletes burning out, for whatever reason. This narrative makes a lot of sense, too.
We lose to Madison without Ed in 2018, and he was an important contributor in many other games. Seemed like a decent guy who also was well-liked by teammates. I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do with his life.
We Are Marquette!
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If true, I wouldn't be surprised by this. Over the years, many many many cases of athletes burning out, for whatever reason. This narrative makes a lot of sense, too.
We lose to Madison without Ed in 2018, and he was an important contributor in many other games. Seemed like a decent guy who also was well-liked by teammates. I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do with his life.
We Are Marquette!
+1
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Hey look scoop didn't know the full story and went on a rampage of the guy. What a surprise
Yep Like those reporters Racing to the phones in the Black and White movies.
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Yep Like those reporters Racing to the phones in the Black and White movies.
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Good luck, Ed.
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Ed quit the team knowing full well he was ending his basketball career. Not only at the college level, he is a fifth-year senior and could not transfer, but also any chance to play professionally after MU.
Wait, he's choosing to not pursue a professional career, or his decision to leave the program mid-season will make it impossible for him to play professionally after he graduates?
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If true, I wouldn't be surprised by this. Over the years, many many many cases of athletes burning out, for whatever reason. This narrative makes a lot of sense, too.
We lose to Madison without Ed in 2018, and he was an important contributor in many other games. Seemed like a decent guy who also was well-liked by teammates. I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do with his life.
We Are Marquette!
Eds had some tough breaks so he deserves one.
I just wish he would have had this moment of insight at the end of last season. Bad timing sucks.
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First thing I thought of was posting this gif but it's a pain on a phone. Nice work
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Looks like Wisconsin might be losing a starter ......Potrykus quotes a source that he is” unhappy with the direction of the program”
Check out this article from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
UW guard Kobe King did not travel with the team to face Iowa on Monday night
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2020/01/27/uw-face-iowa-without-redshirt-sophomore-guard-kobe-king/4586669002/
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Looks like Wisconsin might be losing a starter ......Potrykus quotes a source that he is” unhappy with the direction of the program”
Check out this article from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
UW guard Kobe King did not travel with the team to face Iowa on Monday night
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2020/01/27/uw-face-iowa-without-redshirt-sophomore-guard-kobe-king/4586669002/
Ouch, if true. I thought he was their most talented player.
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Looks like Wisconsin might be losing a starter ......Potrykus quotes a source that he is” unhappy with the direction of the program”
Check out this article from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
UW guard Kobe King did not travel with the team to face Iowa on Monday night
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2020/01/27/uw-face-iowa-without-redshirt-sophomore-guard-kobe-king/4586669002/
Reminds me of Joey a little.
I doubt he will be accommodated anywhere else like he has been at Wisconsin.
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Reminds me of Joey a little.
Really? My guess is he ends up at a program more than a little inferior to MSU.
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Really? My guess is he ends up at a program more than a little inferior to MSU.
I was referring to how Marquette and Wisconsin treated them.
I think Kobe is kidding himself if he thinks he can do better than Wisconsin.
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I was referring to how Marquette and Wisconsin treated them.
I think Koby is kidding himself if he thinks he can do better than Wisconsin.
Better then Wisconsin can be viewed in a number of ways. If he doesn’t like the style of play and isn’t happy he might be able to find a better fit......like when Shayok left Virginia for Iowa State......
Who really knows what’s going on with any of these kids? They’re happy until they aren’t......some push through it and stay the course......others leave.
Some regret the decision later....( Odartey) others are happy they transferred ( Luke Fisher).
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I was referring to how Marquette and Wisconsin treated them.
How did Marquette "treat" Joey?
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How did Marquette "treat" Joey?
He started as a freshman, played 30 minutes per game and took as many shots as Sacar.
I'd say they treated him pretty good.
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He started as a freshman, played 30 minutes per game and took as many shots as Sacar.
I'd say they treated him pretty good.
Agreed. For some reason, I thought you were going another direction with your post.
Carry on. You have another few hundred to get on the site before bedtime! (Just friendly kidding.)
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Agreed. For some reason, I thought you were going another direction with your post.
Carry on. You have another few hundred to get on the site before bedtime! (Just friendly kidding.)
It's only funny because it's true. LOL
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Always thought Joey had questionable body language. Seemed to whine a lot when he didn't get his way.
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Always thought Joey had questionable body language. Seemed to whine a lot when he didn't get his way.
I'm thinking a couple years of maturity and Tom Izzo will do wonders to correct his posture.
He will still have to produce to get the kind of floor time he was given at Marquette. I'm guessing his competition at forward will be at least as good at MSU as it was at MU. Should be interesting to see how he handles it if he doesn't end up starting.