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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on January 03, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
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Just a FYI. Key recruits will be there. Let's hope our fans back the team, coach and staff....all of them.
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Just a FYI. Key recruits will be there. Let's hope our fans back the team, coach and staff....all of them.
do we know names?
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do we know names?
KM
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KM
Would be home run
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ka-REEM mah-NAY (Just so everyone knows how to pronounce it).
https://twitter.com/northpolehoops/status/1208928097132785664?s=21
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I dont think fans backing the team will be an issue, as long as the team shows up. At the end of the day fandom is not limited to fanatics who will "ride or die" with a team. Majority of people want to go watch a team win. Its unreasonable to expect fans to follow and support mediocrity. So hopefully the team shows up tomorrow.
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Only Cheeks would make such a dumb post.
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Only Cheeks would make such a dumb post.
LOL. I’ve seen what our fans have done at senior games, at coaches returning to banquets and such....I made the statement for a reason.
Glad the game is sold out, with what I have been reading the last few days I was sure that many people were simply not going to show and let the administration know how pissed they are. Principles.
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Just a FYI. Key recruits will be there. Let's hope our fans back the team, coach and staff....all of them.
Dude you are the most fragile guy on the internet. Soft serve vanilla
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And once again Scoop’s grand poobah of the High Volume Wojo Guys has started a thread to...trash the fan base, I guess? Shame people for not fully supporting our head coach after five mediocre seasons and a blowout loss in our first conference game in year 6? Next up will be a link to another puff piece from “Inside Marquette Basketball” about some charity outing the players were made to go to. “Glad to see our guys doing such good work in the community.”
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Silent
I agree. Cheeks loves to bash the anti Wojo camp. Wojo really has been a bust and it gets harder to argue the longer he is here.
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Silent
I agree. Cheeks loves to bash the anti Wojo camp. Wojo really has been a bust and it gets harder to argue the longer he is here.
You also have to understand..Cheeks expectations for the program are extremely low. As long as the kids graduate, stay out of trouble and MU makes the tourney once in awhile, he's good with that. For real, he is. And any of us that expect more(and know the program can/should become more), will get told by him that we have unrealistic expectations.
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Well, if some of the "Anti-Wojo" or player bashers act in real life like they do here, he has a point. OK, now I need a shower.
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You also have to understand..Cheeks expectations for the program are extremely low. As long as the kids graduate, stay out of trouble and MU makes the tourney once in awhile, he's good with that. For real, he is. And any of us that expect more(and know the program can/should become more), will get told by him that we have unrealistic expectations.
Your Dwyane Wade wish did make me laugh today. It really did.
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Your Dwyane Wade wish did make me laugh today. It really did.
It honestly makes me chuckle to myself, but then I think about the recruiting...and dayyyyyyyyum.
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You also have to understand..Cheeks expectations for the program are extremely low. As long as the kids graduate, stay out of trouble and MU makes the tourney once in awhile, he's good with that. For real, he is. And any of us that expect more(and know the program can/should become more), will get told by him that we have unrealistic expectations.
You forgot the most important one. *no one leaves early*
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How many of us will be there??
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You also have to understand..Cheeks expectations for the program are extremely low. As long as the kids graduate, stay out of trouble and MU makes the tourney once in awhile, he's good with that. For real, he is. And any of us that expect more(and know the program can/should become more), will get told by him that we have unrealistic expectations.
I would argue my expectations are higher than most here. Because I want to win AND have kids graduate AND have kids stay out of trouble. What I hear people saying passively is that you cannot do that. The only way to win is take high risk kids, etc. You and others are essentially arguing to LOWER OUR STANDARDS.....I find that as the weasely way out. Can't get enough students in....lower the standards. Can't win enough games, let anyone that can ball. ETc. That's not low expectations I have....it's the opposite.
So I find your comments to be complete nonsense. I don't think we would hire a guy from Duke if we had low expectations on winning. And for years, until the NBA's stupid 1 and done rule, Duke also graduated damn near everyone.
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Next up will be a link to another puff piece from “Inside Marquette Basketball” about some charity outing the players were made to go to. “Glad to see our guys doing such good work in the community.”
Is this really true, it was Mandatory?
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If Tommy Naismith showed up at the game tomorrow I would boo that bag of manure. I doubt people will boo the team. the last time I did it was Detroit on Senior night in 1977. As a result the team huddled up and won a national championship. Were you alive then Cheeks?
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Silent
I agree. Cheeks loves to bash the anti Wojo camp. Wojo really has been a bust and it gets harder to argue the longer he is here.
I'm just glad you and others finally admit what camp you are in. :D Sorry, I'm not there. Continue to see the right trajectory and have a long view of the program.
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If Tommy Naismith showed up at the game tomorrow I would boo that bag of manure. I doubt people will boo the team. the last time I did it was Detroit on Senior night in 1977. As a result the team huddled up and won a national championship. Were you alive then Cheeks?
Dutchman is back....sort of...LOL. Yes, I was alive and living back here in the USA after a number of years overseas. That was more than 40 years ago....a loooooonnnnnnggggggg time ago.
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I'm just glad you and others finally admit what camp you are in. :D Sorry, I'm not there. Continue to see the right trajectory and have a long view of the program.
So what’s that trajectory? What’s the long term view?
What is an acceptable spot for us in
Year 7
Year 8
Year 9?
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Who is the other key recruit who will be there?
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I would argue my expectations are higher than most here. Because I want to win AND have kids graduate AND have kids stay out of trouble. What I hear people saying passively is that you cannot do that. The only way to win is take high risk kids, etc. You and others are essentially arguing to LOWER OUR STANDARDS.....I find that as the weasely way out. Can't get enough students in....lower the standards. Can't win enough games, let anyone that can ball. ETc. That's not low expectations I have....it's the opposite.
So I find your comments to be complete nonsense. I don't think we would hire a guy from Duke if we had low expectations on winning. And for years, until the NBA's stupid 1 and done rule, Duke also graduated damn near everyone.
Yes, but your definition of "winning" is quite different than most others. You have made that clear. You are perfectly content(and you always point to Wojo's "trajectory" when proving this). You are perfectly satisfied with a good regular season record...like 20 wins. Doesn't seem to make much of a difference to you if they make the tournament or not, have any notable accomplishments, like conference titles etc .You basically don't mind mid major results. You can deny it all you want, but every statement you make about the program points to you being perfectly content with winning regualr seasons. That's it. Whatever they accomplish/don't accomplish after that really doesn't bother you.
As far as the whole "bad kids" thing. Look, all my time and money has been invested in MU's BASKETBALL program, then anything to do with the University itself. So, excuse me for caring about what results are produced ON the floor as opposed to OFF the floor. I would get much more personal gratification watching the team cut down the nets, then anything they do after their careers at Marquette. That's just the facts. If they go on to be major successful in their professional lives after their career at MU is done, that's great, I hope they do. But if they don't, that's not going to bother me either..it is what it is. Once they leave MU, I don't have any idea what most of them are doing with their lives or careers, unless they are in the NBA but even then, I don't follow the NBA so..
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Yes, but your definition of "winning" is quite different than most others. You have made that clear. You are perfectly content(and you always point to Wojo's "trajectory" when proving this). You are perfectly satisfied with a good regular season record...like 20 wins. Doesn't seem to make much of a difference to you if they make the tournament or not, have any notable accomplishments, like conference titles etc .You basically don't mind mid major results. You can deny it all you want, but every statement you make about the program points to you being perfectly content with winning regualr seasons. That's it. Whatever they accomplish/don't accomplish after that really doesn't bother you.
As far as the whole "bad kids" thing. Look, all my time and money has been invested in MU's BASKETBALL program, then anything to do with the University itself. So, excuse me for caring about what results are produced ON the floor as opposed to OFF the floor. I would get much more personal gratification watching the team cut down the nets, then anything they do after their careers at Marquette. That's just the facts. If they go on to be major successful in their professional lives after their career at MU is done, that's great, I hope they do. But if they don't, that's not going to bother me either..it is what it is. Once they leave MU, I don't have any idea what most of them are doing with their lives or careers, unless they are in the NBA but even then, I don't follow the NBA so..
Some of us care more because we went to the school. We have an allegiance to the university, too, not just the basketball team. For the same reason I don't want professors arrested for scamming students, or scandals in the JESUIT residence or scandals with the business school (illustrative example), I don't want the basketball or sports program scandal laden either. I realize you don't care...sorry, many of us do.
I am content with putting a team out there that strives to win conference titles, acquits itself well nationally, goes to the post-season, and does it while at least attempting to be STUDENTS and acting in a decent manner. I'm not asking for angels as kids will be kids, but know who you are and who you represent...yourself, your school and your basketball program.
The post-season itself, is a crapshoot. The better we do in the regular season, the better seed we get and the better probability of success, but nothing is guaranteed in a 1 game go home tournament. Of course I want to go far, as does any fan. That's how I look at it.
Those expectations may not be as high as yours, but they certainly are not low...in fact I would say higher than yours because you don't seem to care about the school and behavior part. I have higher expectations for MY SCHOOL and program than you do for your hobby. So next time, define my expectations accordingly as you currently aren't doing so.
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Yes, but your definition of "winning" is quite different than most others. You have made that clear. You are perfectly content(and you always point to Wojo's "trajectory" when proving this). You are perfectly satisfied with a good regular season record...like 20 wins. Doesn't seem to make much of a difference to you if they make the tournament or not, have any notable accomplishments, like conference titles etc .You basically don't mind mid major results. You can deny it all you want, but every statement you make about the program points to you being perfectly content with winning regualr seasons. That's it. Whatever they accomplish/don't accomplish after that really doesn't bother you.
As far as the whole "bad kids" thing. Look, all my time and money has been invested in MU's BASKETBALL program, then anything to do with the University itself. So, excuse me for caring about what results are produced ON the floor as opposed to OFF the floor. I would get much more personal gratification watching the team cut down the nets, then anything they do after their careers at Marquette. That's just the facts. If they go on to be major successful in their professional lives after their career at MU is done, that's great, I hope they do. But if they don't, that's not going to bother me either..it is what it is. Once they leave MU, I don't have any idea what most of them are doing with their lives or careers, unless they are in the NBA but even then, I don't follow the NBA so..
Plenty of people donate to the program that are quite happy Marquette is winning regular season games, graduating players and those players are representing the university beyond their time in Milwaukee. There voices are as important as yours.
Marquette is a university first, whether you like it or not.
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The only way to win is take high risk kids, etc.
Imagine Al without GT, Dean, Chones, Tatum, Bo, Whitehead, etc.
Imagine Crean without Wade.
Imagine Buzz without Jae.
Marquette would never have had a golden Age, Crean’s 2 really good/great years don’t happen and the renaissance under Buzz is stunted.
No high risk kids and our history is a very bleak one. But let’s try to be Duke BEFORE they wised up - that’ll work. LOL.
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Hey Cheeks
Why is noteworthy to post the game is sold out? Wojo has the boys going uptown and biggest home game of the year, it better be sold out.
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Crean witout Wade leeves an empty sac, aina?
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Marquette not offering any opportunities to rise up to kids of questionable track record.
CURA PERSONALIS BABY!
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Who is the other key recruit who will be there?
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I have always supported Wojo, but the last game showed us as totally unprepared, and leaves me questioning that position. I had watched some of Creighton's games and it was obvious that they had excellent speed and spacing, and I am no expert. We were not ready for either. That's on the coach. I will cheer tomorrow, whatever happens, and be really happy if we win. We must however, avoid ANY booing!!
BTY I also was at that game in '77, did not boo, and sat in the season ticket seats (which I still have).
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Sell out crowd will see Wright coach circles around Woj.
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Crowd mae bee der ta sea DiVincenzo in da crowd doe, hey?
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Crowd mae bee der ta sea DiVincenzo in da crowd doe, hey?
Countered by Wes.
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Imagine Al without GT, Dean, Chones, Tatum, Bo, Whitehead, etc.
Imagine Crean without Wade.
Imagine Buzz without Jae.
Marquette would never have had a golden Age, Crean’s 2 really good/great years don’t happen and the renaissance under Buzz is stunted.
No high risk kids and our history is a very bleak one. But let’s try to be Duke BEFORE they wised up - that’ll work. LOL.
Drop the mic. Didn’t realize part of the Jesuit mission was to be elitist and discriminatory. Seems this is what Cheeks seeks.
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A lot of people must want to see Villanova in person
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Imagine Al without GT, Dean, Chones, Tatum, Bo, Whitehead, etc.
Imagine Crean without Wade.
Imagine Buzz without Jae.
Marquette would never have had a golden Age, Crean’s 2 really good/great years don’t happen and the renaissance under Buzz is stunted.
No high risk kids and our history is a very bleak one. But let’s try to be Duke BEFORE they wised up - that’ll work. LOL.
There’s high risk and guys that literally have no chance of graduating...which is what Buzz was doing. Sorry you don’t see the difference. I’m not against high risk guys, I am when 40% of your roster is that way and the credits they have don’t transfer or we don’t have the major for them to graduate.
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Hey Cheeks
Why is noteworthy to post the game is sold out? Wojo has the boys going uptown and biggest home game of the year, it better be sold out.
Some folks here already noted they have given up, not renewed their seats, going to vote with their feet...not attend.
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Drop the mic. Didn’t realize part of the Jesuit mission was to be elitist and discriminatory. Seems this is what Cheeks seeks.
Cheeks is over the top no doubt, but this a bs argument as well. For every Jae Crowder there are literal hundreds of basketball players that come from just as disadvantaged backgrounds who put in the work and got good grades. There is nothing wrong with taking academics into account with recruiting.
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Drop the mic. Didn’t realize part of the Jesuit mission was to be elitist and discriminatory. Seems this is what Cheeks seeks.
It’s not what I seek. I seek when we take a kid to a UNIVERSITY he has the mathematical ability to GRADUATE from the university. That’s not what Buzz was doing with some players. Sorry that I am so ELITIST AND DISCRIMINATORY to actually desire at least the POSSIBILITY that our student athletes have a chance to, you know, graduate. What a concept.
Otherwise, your post is nothing but horseshat.
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It’s not what I seek. I seek when we take a kid to a UNIVERSITY he has the mathematical ability to GRADUATE from the university. That’s not what Buzz was doing with some players. Sorry that I am so ELITIST AND DISCRIMINATORY to actually desire at least the POSSIBILITY that our student athletes have a chance to, you know, graduate. What a concept.
Otherwise, your post is nothing but horseshat.
Yea. Like Henry Ellenson. We are also recruiting Karim Mane.
Retire your hate Buzz act. It’s lame AF. Wojo ain’t recruiting kids who are anymore guaranteed to graduate than Buzz.
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Yea. Like Henry Ellenson. We are also recruiting Karim Mane.
Retire your hate Buzz act. It’s lame AF. Wojo ain’t recruiting kids who are anymore guaranteed to graduate than Buzz.
Everything I heard about Henry was that he was a great student. I haven't heard anything negative about Mane's grades
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Yea. Like Henry Ellenson. We are also recruiting Karim Mane.
Retire your hate Buzz act. It’s lame AF. Wojo ain’t recruiting kids who are anymore guaranteed to graduate than Buzz.
Henry could've graduated. Mane could as well. The problem addressed isn't people leaving early for the NBA when they are on track, it's guys who cannot complete their education in the time available to them. I don't disagree that we should pursue players that can graduate.
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Large, but very quiet crowd. Felt like I was at a chess match!!! :o
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Large, but very quiet crowd. Felt like I was at a chess match!!! :o
I was there, too, mug. And I thought it was a nervous crowd. At one point, when we were up 10 or so, I said it felt like a one-possession game.
I thought our guys showed a lot of ballz pulling it out after we lost momentum.
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Love the heart of the team today. Played like real warriors against a top ten team.
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This is all hair splitting and/or made up phony outrage. Buzz recruited ONE f’ing guy (with admission’s blessing) who arrived at MU without a “mathematical chance” of graduating during his eligibility. Whoop de f’ing do.
Truth? Our most successful teams (under Al, TC and Buzz) had plenty of questionable (or worse) students who arrived as long shots to graduate at all, let alone “on time”. Despite Chico’s lies, the only time our APR has EVER been in trouble was 2 years in smack in the middle of the Bronze Beast’s era.
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This is all hair splitting and/or made up phony outrage. Buzz recruited ONE f’ing guy (with admission’s blessing) who arrived at MU without a “mathematical chance” of graduating during his eligibility. Whoop de f’ing do.
Truth? Our most successful teams (under Al, TC and Buzz) had plenty of questionable (or worse) students who arrived as long shots to graduate at all, let alone “on time”. Despite Chico’s lies, the only time our APR has EVER been in trouble was 2 years in smack in the middle of the Bronze Beast’s era.
Henry Ellenson was never going to graduate in his time at MU. Karim Mane, if we hopefully land him, will never graduate in his time either. I have no issue with the recruitment of either, but pretending that we're only going to recruit guys who we know will graduate has always been nonsense. Crowder came a hell of a lot closer to graduating than Ellenson did, or Mane will. Criticizing a guy who spent four years in college (and in Crowder's case, obviously got crap advice from someone he trusted when it came to JuCo credits) while praising obvious One and Dones on the 1% chance they spend all four years on campus is pure nonsense.
Jae Crowder proudly represented this university. It honestly bums me out how often people crap on him. A true Warrior, and not just on the court.
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Henry Ellenson was never going to graduate in his time at MU. Karim Mane, if we hopefully land him, will never graduate in his time either. I have no issue with the recruitment of either, but pretending that we're only going to recruit guys who we know will graduate has always been nonsense. Crowder came a hell of a lot closer to graduating than Ellenson did, or Mane will. Criticizing a guy who spent four years in college (and in Crowder's case, obviously got crap advice from someone he trusted when it came to JuCo credits) while praising obvious One and Dones on the 1% chance they spend all four years on campus is pure nonsense.
Jae Crowder proudly represented this university. It honestly bums me out how often people crap on him. A true Warrior, and not just on the court.
Well stated.
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Well stated.
Appreciate it, 82. Great win today for the boys and hoping for many more to come (and hopefully Mane enjoyed it as well!)
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Henry Ellenson was never going to graduate in his time at MU. Karim Mane, if we hopefully land him, will never graduate in his time either. I have no issue with the recruitment of either, but pretending that we're only going to recruit guys who we know will graduate has always been nonsense.
It's not about will. It's about can. A student leaving without a degree because they were offered a 7 figure paycheck in their field of choice is something to be celebrated. Fortunately that's what happened in both Henry and Jae's case.
Jae Crowder proudly represented this university. It honestly bums me out how often people crap on him. A true Warrior, and not just on the court.
Jae is my favorite non-Wade player of all time.
Jae also had no chance of graduating when he arrive on campus.
Both of these things can be true. The second statement is not crapping on him
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Drop the mic. Didn’t realize part of the Jesuit mission was to be elitist and discriminatory. Seems this is what Cheeks seeks.
Old
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It's not about will. It's about can. A student leaving without a degree because they were offered a 7 figure paycheck in their field of choice is something to be celebrated. Fortunately that's what happened in both Henry and Jae's case.
Jae is my favorite non-Wade player of all time.
Jae also had no chance of graduating when he arrive on campus.
Both of these things can be true. The second statement is not crapping on him
If graduating was important to the administration, they would 100% never accept a guy like Mane. You and I both know they happily will, so enough with the semantics.
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And Marquette has no problem falling all over itself on social media, etc. to celebrate the NBA success of Jae (or Jimmy or DJO or Buycks).
We’re using these kids as part of a multi-million dollar marketing program (of which they’re fairly compensated). We shouldn’t get all high and mighty about a few at risk kids ESPECIALLY when our history has been built on the back of at risk kids and when those at risk kids have turned out to be some of our finest human beings.
Go to class
Stay eligible
Don’t kill our APR
Worrying about graduation is a ridiculous exercise when ANYONE on campus could walk away from school to better themselves at any time.
Bill Gates didn’t graduate
Will Gates did
Both are great representatives of their alma maters.
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If graduating was important to the administration, they would 100% never accept a guy like Mane. You and I both know they happily will, so enough with the semantics.
You are 1000% wrong. Not graduating because you are offered a 7 figure paycheck in your field of choice is something to be celebrated. Not graduating because it was mathematically impossible for you to do so is something else. Fortunately, Jae fell into both categories instead of just the second one.
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This is all hair splitting and/or made up phony outrage. Buzz recruited ONE f’ing guy (with admission’s blessing) who arrived at MU without a “mathematical chance” of graduating during his eligibility. Whoop de f’ing do.
Truth? Our most successful teams (under Al, TC and Buzz) had plenty of questionable (or worse) students who arrived as long shots to graduate at all, let alone “on time”. Despite Chico’s lies, the only time our APR has EVER been in trouble was 2 years in smack in the middle of the Bronze Beast’s era.
That is false, not one guy...especially on the RECRUITING side as you mentioned.
Secondly, you still do not know how to read APR and what a coach is saddled with from his predecessor as well as the direction things are going. I noticed with today’s win you still haven’t said a damn thing about that, but defending Buzz is all that matters for you.
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You are 1000% wrong. Not graduating because you are offered a 7 figure paycheck in your field of choice is something to be celebrated. Not graduating because it was mathematically impossible for you to do so is something else. Fortunately, Jae fell into both categories instead of just the second one.
Whatever makes you sleep at night is fine with me.
Just understand there is a not small amount of people that think this is irrelevant and hypocritical.
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I don’t mind taking guys like Henry either, but that’s a totally different scenario. He can blow his knee out, needs to stay four years and graduate. Some of the guys in question COULD NOT GRADUATE PERIOD.
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It’s not what I seek. I seek when we take a kid to a UNIVERSITY he has the mathematical ability to GRADUATE from the university. That’s not what Buzz was doing with some players. Sorry that I am so ELITIST AND DISCRIMINATORY to actually desire at least the POSSIBILITY that our student athletes have a chance to, you know, graduate. What a concept.
Why does this matter to you?
I don't think any of us want to see kids of questionable character or zero regard for academics at MU. But if a kid is a solid citizen and does what is required academically, why is it a big deal to you if he has a diploma before his eligibility runs out?
Mike Deane and KO also brought in some guys with questionable academics. Where's the outrage directed towards them?
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Whatever makes you sleep at night is fine with me.
Just understand there is a not small amount of people that think this is irrelevant and hypocritical.
+1,000. It's obviously semantics and only ends up dumping on hard working students. Tired of it.
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CHICOS—I only saw KM at the game today. You said there were more key recruits....but won’t answer my question who else was there....hmmm.
Maybe multiple recruits finds your agenda better than just the one recruit who was there.
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Whatever makes you sleep at night is fine with me.
Just understand there is a not small amount of people that think this is irrelevant and hypocritical.
That's okay. There's a not small amount of people who believe the earth is flat too.
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That's okay. There's a not small amount of people who believe the earth is flat too.
And you're among them.
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And you're among them.
Hey, you can't trust anything NASA tells you. Solar winds man.
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Large, but very quiet crowd. Felt like I was at a chess match!!! :o
Agreed. Missed the student section energy, though I have to say the people in the student sections stood far more than everyone else. I suppose they had to to see over the students. Fans in my area were glued to their seats. Bizarre to me because at times I couldn’t help but to stand up. Nice to see the full house though.
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Just throwing this out there, I thought the booing of Wojo before the game classless and was not a good look for recruits present today.
Crowd during the game I thought was decent.
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And you're among them.
We win a real big game and Scoop still becomes a juvenile pissing contest. Sad and so annoying.
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Just throwing this out there, I thought the booing of Wojo before the game classless and was not a good look for recruits present today.
Agreed
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Just throwing this out there, I thought the booing of Wojo before the game classless and was not a good look for recruits present today.
Crowd during the game I thought was decent.
I heard that as well and thought the same. What kind of loser would do that publicly at a game?
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I heard that as well and thought the same. What kind of loser would do that publicly at a game?
I could give you about 15-20 names from this board that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit
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I could give you about 15-20 names from this board that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit
I’m guilty of being critical of players and coaches on this message board in the heat of the moment during games at times, but I just assumed it stopped there for everyone.
Booing players/coaches of your own team at a game is pretty weak and a bad look for the fan base.
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We win a real big game and Scoop still becomes a juvenile pissing contest. Sad and so annoying.
We win a big game and people still wanna piss on great guys who have represented our university well so they can dump on a coach that left however many years ago. It is quite sad and annoying. I wish we could just enjoy the win as well.
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We win a real big game and Scoop still becomes a juvenile pissing contest. Sad and so annoying.
Becomes? The word you are looking for is continues.
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Just throwing this out there, I thought the booing of Wojo before the game classless and was not a good look for recruits present today.
Wow. That actually happened? Some fans...
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Oh yes it did. It was cringeworthy.
I was disappointed.
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Oh yes it did. It was cringeworthy.
I was disappointed.
I didn’t think it stood out or was obvious. It was a smattering and pretty muted
I agree it’s classless and I haven’t been giving any love to Wojo.
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Agreed. Missed the student section energy, though I have to say the people in the student sections stood far more than everyone else. I suppose they had to to see over the students. Fans in my area were glued to their seats. Bizarre to me because at times I couldn’t help but to stand up. Nice to see the full house though.
I stand whenever play dictates it, regardless of which section I'm sitting in or who's behind me. And play dictated it often today. If the folks behind me didn't like it, they could leave a sporting event and go to church. Or the old folks' home.
Just throwing this out there, I thought the booing of Wojo before the game classless and was not a good look for recruits present today.
I was embarrassed for the people who did it.
I cheered for Wojo, just as I did for each.player during introductons.
We Are Marquette!
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Most did not cheer for Wojo, the way before Howard got the roar. You barely heard people boo.
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This is all hair splitting and/or made up phony outrage. Buzz recruited ONE f’ing guy (with admission’s blessing) who arrived at MU without a “mathematical chance” of graduating during his eligibility. Whoop de f’ing do.
Truth? Our most successful teams (under Al, TC and Buzz) had plenty of questionable (or worse) students who arrived as long shots to graduate at all, let alone “on time”. Despite Chico’s lies, the only time our APR has EVER been in trouble was 2 years in smack in the middle of the Bronze Beast’s era.
Misleading. The first year the NCAA calculated the APR was in 2004. It was done because schools weren’t progressing players. Those first two years were our lowest. Under Crean, the APR rose to its highest levels. Every year under Buzz it decreased the next lowest.
In 2005, the NCAA changed the calculation so that early entrants didn’t impact the APR. so in 2004 our lowest year, Wade leaving negatively impacted the APR while those same players didn’t negatively impact Buzz. If calculated the same Buzz would have been worse than his score reflects or Crean would have been better
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I stand whenever play dictates it, regardless of which section I'm sitting in or who's behind me. And play dictated it often today. If the folks behind me didn't like it, they could leave a sporting event and go to church. Or the old folks' home.
I had seats in 102; right behind the students. The university and Fiserv would not allow me to stand whenever the students stood. Could not see over the students. Complaints from behind. I am no longer a season ticket holder. Why can the students stand whenever the ball is in play but not those behind them? I was fine with standing with the students.
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Everything I heard about Henry was that he was a great student. I haven't heard anything negative about Mane's grades
Terrific. How close is Henry to his MU diploma? Answer? Not nearly as close as Jae.
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Henry Ellenson was never going to graduate in his time at MU. Karim Mane, if we hopefully land him, will never graduate in his time either. I have no issue with the recruitment of either, but pretending that we're only going to recruit guys who we know will graduate has always been nonsense. Crowder came a hell of a lot closer to graduating than Ellenson did, or Mane will. Criticizing a guy who spent four years in college (and in Crowder's case, obviously got crap advice from someone he trusted when it came to JuCo credits) while praising obvious One and Dones on the 1% chance they spend all four years on campus is pure nonsense.
Jae Crowder proudly represented this university. It honestly bums me out how often people crap on him. A true Warrior, and not just on the court.
+1000 Soda.
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If graduating was important to the administration, they would 100% never accept a guy like Mane. You and I both know they happily will, so enough with the semantics.
What our coaching staff has done is recruit what I would refer to as Good Kids. That is kids with solid work ethic and not rabble rousers. From all accounts and the interviews out there, Mane is a good quality kid who will fit in perfectly with the team culture.
If he goes one and done it is win for him and MU. I am confident he will be able to maintain his academics in a way that doesn't hurt APR if he elects to go one or two and done.
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I had seats in 102; right behind the students. The university and Fiserv would not allow me to stand whenever the students stood. Could not see over the students. Complaints from behind. I am no longer a season ticket holder. Why can the students stand whenever the ball is in play but not those behind them? I was fine with standing with the students.
Agree ... that's ridiculous!
Sounds like those are the worst seats in the entire house.
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The university and Fiserv would not allow me to stand whenever the students stood.
Wait...what? This needs further explanation.
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I stand whenever play dictates it, regardless of which section I'm sitting in or who's behind me. And play dictated it often today. If the folks behind me didn't like it, they could leave a sporting event and go to church. Or the old folks' home.
I was embarrassed for the people who did it.
I cheered for Wojo, just as I did for each.player during introductons.
We Are Marquette!
Some people don’t like spending tens of thousands of dollars to not make the 2nd round.
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Terrific. How close is Henry to his MU diploma? Answer? Not nearly as close as Jae.
That's great. It's also not relevant to the conversation.
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Some people don’t like spending tens of thousands of dollars to not make the 2nd round.
Cool. Those who chose not to boo obviously love spending money to not make the 2nd round.
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Some people don’t like spending tens of thousands of dollars to not make the 2nd round.
You're spending tens of thousands of dollars on a college basketball team?
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Wait...what? This needs further explanation.
+100
I've never heard of anything like this at any venue.
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I was there and heard the booing, and it actually surprised me(no I did NOT boo). I actually thought it was fairly loud and audible though. I'm not saying it's right to do, but I do 100% understand frustration from fans that caused them to boo. To me booing Wojo is far different then booing the team though. I mean, plenty of Coaches across all levels have been booed in the past. After all, they are making millions of dollars, it comes with the territory.
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I was there and heard the booing, and it actually surprised me(no I did NOT boo). I actually thought it was fairly loud and audible though. I'm not saying it's right to do, but I do 100% understand frustration from fans that caused them to boo. To me booing Wojo is far different then booing the team though. I mean, plenty of Coaches across all levels have been booed in the past. After all, they are making millions of dollars, it comes with the territory.
guru, we'll see how understanding you are if Mane chooses to go elsewhere because, "Man, the team is 10-3 and has been to the NCAAs 2 of the last 3 years, but they boo the coach! What's up with that? Vibe too negative."
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I was there and heard the booing, and it actually surprised me(no I did NOT boo). I actually thought it was fairly loud and audible though. I'm not saying it's right to do, but I do 100% understand frustration from fans that caused them to boo. To me booing Wojo is far different then booing the team though. I mean, plenty of Coaches across all levels have been booed in the past. After all, they are making millions of dollars, it comes with the territory.
Playing in Philly, the 'boo compensation' is actually a big portion of Jay Wright's salary. (Technically it's called the "jeering clause.")
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Wow. That actually happened? Some fans...
Good subject for a poll!
How many scoopers at the game booed Wojo?
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Just throwing this out there, I thought the booing of Wojo before the game classless and was not a good look for recruits present today.
Crowd during the game I thought was decent.
Of course it is, but of course some of our fans boo at Senior night and they wonder why our coaches don’t last long.
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Some people don’t like spending tens of thousands of dollars to not make the 2nd round.
Those same fans have their thumb up their arse when coaches leave....
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I was there and heard the booing, and it actually surprised me(no I did NOT boo). I actually thought it was fairly loud and audible though. I'm not saying it's right to do, but I do 100% understand frustration from fans that caused them to boo. To me booing Wojo is far different then booing the team though. I mean, plenty of Coaches across all levels have been booed in the past. After all, they are making millions of dollars, it comes with the territory.
When a team gets railroaded by an average opponent most fans get upset with the coach. The intros today show us how the average fan feels about Wojo. For those that want the guy to retire here, today was a clear sign of how the majority of fans feel. Take note.
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When a team gets railroaded by an average opponent most fans get upset with the coach. The intros today show us how the average fan feels about Wojo. For those that want the guy to retire here, today was a clear sign of how the majority of fans feel. Take note.
Railroaded? You mean steamrolled ?
To your point.... From all reports a small chorus of boos were directed at Wojo at the beginning of the game and that now constitutes the opinion of the average fan and the majority of fans. Of course the cheers by the whole crowd at the end of the game are not interpreted as a sign of support for Wojo. Hmmmmm
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When a team gets railroaded by an average opponent most fans get upset with the coach. The intros today show us how the average fan feels about Wojo. For those that want the guy to retire here, today was a clear sign of how the majority of fans feel. Take note.
Yeah, but Wojo has to be the first MU coach to be booed at home, ever. Think about that for a second.
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Yeah, but Wojo has to be the first MU coach to be booed at home, ever. Think about that for a second.
Crean was absolutely booed while coach.
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Yeah butt, he's always bin an ass hole foney doe, hey?
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Wasn't Al booed after one of the losses down the stretch in 1977? I thought that was at least an urban legend, and I recently read a reprint of a November 1977 SI article in which he talked about being booed.
But sure, Wojo being booed by a few dozen or few hundred mopes is "proof" that a majority of fans want him fired. I guess him being cheered when he was introduced before the Central Arkansas game -- with not a single boo to be heard -- was "proof" that a majority of fans want him to receive a 10-year, $100 million contract extension. I wonder what Tuesday's pregame will "prove."
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Yeah, but Wojo has to be the first MU coach to be booed at home, ever. Think about that for a second.
Nope.
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When a team gets railroaded by an average opponent most fans get upset with the coach. The intros today show us how the average fan feels about Wojo. For those that want the guy to retire here, today was a clear sign of how the majority of fans feel. Take note.
This is right up there with the dumbest posts of all time
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Yeah, but Wojo has to be the first MU coach to be booed at home, ever. Think about that for a second.
When you have to tell an outright lie to try to make your main point, it shows how little validity that point has. And it speaks to the reliability of the person making it.
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Wasn't Al booed after one of the losses down the stretch in 1977? I thought that was at least an urban legend, and I recently read a reprint of a November 1977 SI article in which he talked about being booed.
But sure, Wojo being booed by a few dozen or few hundred mopes is "proof" that a majority of fans want him fired. I guess him being cheered when he was introduced before the Central Arkansas game -- with not a single boo to be heard -- was "proof" that a majority of fans want him to receive a 10-year, $100 million contract extension. I wonder what Tuesday's pregame will "prove."
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Nope Nads, refs were booed (deserving so) following loss to Wichita St., hey?
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I didn't hear any booing. Maybe you could if you were close to where those assclowns were sitting...
I was, however, sitting not too far away from a guy who was screaming at individual players. Picture our most hateful game thread participants shouting their posts at full volume.
Are the ushers allowed to boot someone like that, or at least tell them to take it down a notch?
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Dis iz America, Ma. Ewe have da freedom to voice yo opinion, aina?
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Did not hear any booing in our section.
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Booing the home team usually exposes the worst people, so it can be helpful in that regard
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Dis iz America, Ma. Ewe have da freedom to voice yo opinion, aina?
Fiserv is also private property, so they can tell you to be respectful of other customers or give you the boot
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Dis iz America, Ma. Ewe have da freedom to voice yo opinion, aina?
And the rest are free to judge you.
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Dis iz America, Ma. Ewe have da freedom to voice yo opinion, aina?
Dis iz da Ewenited States, where wee all so hav da freedom to say an openyun iz trash.
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Yeah, but Wojo has to be the first MU coach to be booed at home, ever. Think about that for a second.
False.
How many false things are you going to say this week. You are so far out your element here it is comically sad.
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There were 4 of us and none of us heard any booing in our section! ! ! 8-)
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I don’t mind taking guys like Henry either, but that’s a totally different scenario. He can blow his knee out, needs to stay four years and graduate. Some of the guys in question COULD NOT GRADUATE PERIOD.
Aaron Hutchins and DWade say hi. Glad you didn't block them too in your job in the AD.
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Aaron Hutchins and DWade say hi. Glad you didn't block them too in your job in the AD.
Sigh.
Both of them were capable of graduating and one has. At issue are players we recruited that mathematically COULD NOT graduate...no possible scenario. Wade and Hutch don’t fit that bill.
Try again.
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Booing the home team usually exposes the worst people, so it can be helpful in that regard
It’s a free country, sure, but I don’t get the “booing thing” period. Our guys, their guys, the refs - IMO it speaks volumes about the one doing the booing and zero about those being booed.
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Sigh.
Both of them were capable of graduating and one has. At issue are players we recruited that mathematically COULD NOT graduate...no possible scenario. Wade and Hutch don’t fit that bill.
Try again.
Bullsh*t. Do you honestly believe this? Of course they could graduate if given the time and if they put in the effort. It is never possible for someone "mathematically" not to be able to graduate.
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Sigh.
Both of them were capable of graduating and one has. At issue are players we recruited that mathematically COULD NOT graduate...no possible scenario. Wade and Hutch don’t fit that bill.
Try again.
Sigh...20 years to judge?
Hutch, Wade, Lazar, etc. NEVER would be admitted to MU today...and shouldn't have been back then....and on and on and on.
Hypocrisy is seeping out of your keyboard.
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Yeah, but Wojo has to be the first MU coach to be booed at home, ever. Think about that for a second.
Not even close. As a matter of fact, I think that all the coaches have been booed at home during their tenure.
Think about that for a second!
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It’s a free country, sure, but I don’t get the “booing thing” period. Our guys, their guys, the refs - IMO it speaks volumes about the one doing the booing and zero about those being booed.
Alcohol is often a factor, lord knows I’ve been a terrible person to be around at a sporting event after being over served.
Booing the refs is interesting. Does it help? I’d have to search but studies show refs “favor” the home team more often than not. Does booing then intimidate them or embolden them?
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Alcohol is often a factor, lord knows I’ve been a terrible person to be around at a sporting event after being over served.
Booing the refs is interesting. Does it help? I’d have to search but studies show refs “favor” the home team more often than not. Does booing then intimidate them or embolden them?
Nova fans booing? I do know Wojo never gets applause on the intros so I just thought it was the Nova fans. Where did the booing come from?
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It’s a free country, sure, but I don’t get the “booing thing” period. Our guys, their guys, the refs - IMO it speaks volumes about the one doing the booing and zero about those being booed.
Well said. The booers character revealed.
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Booing can be good. It shows there’s a level of expectation. Wojo should feel glad he’s at a place where fans care. He could be Patrick Baldwin coaching in front of 300 people.
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Each of our last 3 coaches recruited players whom the rules, at the time, permitted them to recruit.
Crean didn't do anything underhanded to get Wade in school. Same with Buzz/Jae and Wojo/Henry. The school let those players in. The NCAA let those players play.
We could argue all day about whether or not those should have been the rules, but they WERE the rules. And I'm glad each coach followed the rules to bring in each of those fine young men.
We Are Marquette!!
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Each of our last 3 coaches recruited players whom the rules, at the time, permitted them to recruit.
Crean didn't do anything underhanded to get Wade in school. Same with Buzz/Jae and Wojo/Henry. The school let those players in. The NCAA let those players play.
We could argue all day about whether or not those should have been the rules, but they WERE the rules. And I'm glad each coach followed the rules to bring in each of those fine young men.
We Are Marquette!!
Our supposed mission is to educate people with the purpose of getting a degree or at least the opportunity to get it if they put the work in. We have often been above what the NCAA’s bar of requirements have been, and that is a good thing. The idea of renting someone that has no chance at that opportunity whether in the immediate timeframe while playing or years later if they comeback to finish that degree is squirmy at best. I expect that from some schools.
We have taken / recruited all kinds of kids to MU over the year with one ABSOLUTE guarantee...you do the work, pass your classes you can earn a degree from MU. When that is made impossible, that is plain wrong. Are we a university or something else?
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Our supposed mission is to educate people with the purpose of getting a degree or at least the opportunity to get it if they put the work in. We have often been above what the NCAA’s bar of requirements have been, and that is a good thing. The idea of renting someone that has no chance at that opportunity whether in the immediate timeframe while playing or years later if they comeback to finish that degree is squirmy at best. I expect that from some schools.
We have taken recruited all kinds of kids to MU over the year with one ABSOLUTE guarantee...you do the work, pass your classes you can earn a degree from MU. When that is made impossible, that is plain wrong. Are we a university or something else?
It’s never impossible. Stop lying.
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Our supposed mission is to educate people with the purpose of getting a degree or at least the opportunity to get it if they put the work in. We have often been above what the NCAA’s bar of requirements have been, and that is a good thing. The idea of renting someone that has no chance at that opportunity whether in the immediate timeframe while playing or years later if they comeback to finish that degree is squirmy at best. I expect that from some schools.
We have taken recruited all kinds of kids to MU over the year with one ABSOLUTE guarantee...you do the work, pass your classes you can earn a degree from MU. When that is made impossible, that is plain wrong. Are we a university or something else?
Thanks for your take. I choose not to debate you.
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And the rest are free to judge you.
Kinda like Scoop, aina?
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Booing can be good. It shows there’s a level of expectation. Wojo should feel glad he’s at a place where fans care. He could be Patrick Baldwin coaching in front of 300 people.
Solid kin, hey?
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Kinda like Scoop, aina?
Every breath you take, every move you make, every smile you fake, every rule of the English language you break...
The world is judging you.
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Our supposed mission is to educate people with the purpose of getting a degree or at least the opportunity to get it if they put the work in. We have often been above what the NCAA’s bar of requirements have been, and that is a good thing. The idea of renting someone that has no chance at that opportunity whether in the immediate timeframe while playing or years later if they comeback to finish that degree is squirmy at best. I expect that from some schools.
We have taken recruited all kinds of kids to MU over the year with one ABSOLUTE guarantee...you do the work, pass your classes you can earn a degree from MU. When that is made impossible, that is plain wrong. Are we a university or something else?
Why can't Jae Crowder earn a degree from MU?
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Back to the sellout... Between MU and the Bucks, almost 36,000 people were at the Fiserv to watch ball. The spots in the Deer District were packed. Third Street was packed.
I know it's a romantic notion to have a bandbox on campus, but what we have with the quality of arena, surrounding establishments, and proximity to campus is incredible. The visiting fans I talk with love coming to games in MKE because of that. The FF is not cheap, but it's a gameday experience that can't be replicated in a lot of places.
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Why can't Jae Crowder earn a degree from MU?
He can. So can Todd Mayo et al
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“Get your degree at Marquette and your education at da ‘Lanche.”
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He can. So can Todd Mayo et al
(I know ... it was rhetorical)
It's almost as if someone set out a specific, narrowly tailored set of circumstances so as to disparage a particular player and coach.
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(I know ... it was rhetorical)
It's almost as if someone set out a specific, narrowly tailored set of circumstances so as to disparage a particular player and coach.
Katin can get his post-graduate degree too at anytime.
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It’s never impossible. Stop lying.
I can see the recruiting pitch now in the family home
“Mrs Player Mom
We want your son to come to Marquette University to play basketball and earn a degree credits because most of the credits he brings in we don’t offer a degree here in that discipline, but if he wishes to start from scratch and negate most of what he did the first years in Junior College he can eventually earn a degree. Sound good? We look forward to him joining the family.”
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(I know ... it was rhetorical)
It's almost as if someone set out a specific, narrowly tailored set of circumstances so as to disparage a particular player and coach.
Disparage...you mean because it is squirmy as hell and no longer allowed at MU....yeah...such disparagement....so much so we changed our policy and should have. I wouldn’t call that a disparagement, but rather an ethical correction on what we are disclosing and offering as opportunities to these young men and women. Glad we are no longer playing that game.
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ND sucks.
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Nm
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Disparage...you mean because it is squirmy as hell and no longer allowed at MU....yeah...such disparagement....so much so we changed our policy and should have. I wouldn’t call that a disparagement, but rather an ethical correction on what we are disclosing and offering as opportunities to these young men and women. Glad we are no longer playing that game.
You're being silly and getting desperate.
Jae was and continues to be a fantastic representative for Marquette basketball and the university as a whole.
You clearly misunderstand Marquette's mission.
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It's possible for Jae to be a great representative of Marquette & Marquette to want to recruit athletes in the future that can graduate in the time allotted to them.
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You're being silly and getting desperate.
Jae was and continues to be a fantastic representative for Marquette basketball and the university as a whole.
You clearly misunderstand Marquette's mission.
Jae is great. I agree with you.
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Is Jae worse off because he hasn't gotten his degree?? Nope, not one bit. sIs MU as a University worse off because he didn't?? Not one single bit. No harm, no foul. Jae is a great representative of the University and in fact, I'd wager MU has benefited from his fame.
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It's possible for Jae to be a great representative of Marquette & Marquette to want to recruit athletes in the future that can graduate in the time allotted to them.
1. Isn't this the case 99 percent of the time?
2. False choice fallacy.
3. Time allotted to them = years of NCAA eligibility = dumb logic.
The time allotted to Jae is the rest of his life.
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1. Isn't this the case 99 percent of the time?
2. False choice fallacy.
3. Time allotted to them = years of NCAA eligibility = dumb logic.
The time allotted to Jae is the rest of his life.
But doesn't that affect APR?
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Is Jae worse off because he hasn't gotten his degree?? Nope, not one bit. sIs MU as a University worse off because he didn't?? Not one single bit. No harm, no foul. Jae is a great representative of the University and in fact, I'd wager MU has benefited from his fame.
Then let’s stop the facade that we want kids to earn degrees or at least make progress toward them in the hope of graduating within the APR mandated time period since it doesn’t matter apparently.
Sure we benefit from guys in the NBA and the publicity that comes with it. The university has also benefited from all kinds of graduates, too. That isn’t the point. MU made the appropriate change for a reason....they remembered we were an institution of higher learning first and had an athletic program / basketball program that serves at the discretion of the university, not the other way around.
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If the rules did not permit Buzz to offer Jae a scholarship, he would not have recruited Jae.
The rules now apparently prevent Wojo from offering an athlete/student like Jae a scholarship. So he won't.
Not sure how this is a complicated thing.
All a coach can do is operate under the rules -- both those of the NCAA and of the institution -- at the time he is coach. Al used the rules to the benefit of the program and the athlete/students, as has every Marquette coach since.
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Then let’s stop the facade that we want kids to earn degrees or at least make progress toward them in the hope of graduating within the APR mandated time period since it doesn’t matter apparently.
Sure we benefit from guys in the NBA and the publicity that comes with it. The university has also benefited from all kinds of graduates, too. That isn’t the point. MU made the appropriate change for a reason....they remembered we were an institution of higher learning first and had an athletic program / basketball program that serves at the discretion of the university, not the other way around.
Then they took Henry and Wally Ellenson. Those two embodied the quote from Cardale Jones as he famously said, “We ain’t come here to play school.”
Are all Juco players bad? Absolutely not. Are all players out of high school angels? Absolutely not. The fact the administration is forcing athletics to eliminate evaluations and going after juco talent is wrong and goes against the universities mission.
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Then they took Henry and Wally Ellenson. Those two embodied the quote from Cardale Jones as he famously said, “We ain’t come here to play school.”
Wally earned a degree from Marquette.
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Then let’s stop the facade that we want kids to earn degrees or at least make progress toward them in the hope of graduating within the APR mandated time period since it doesn’t matter apparently.
This is exactly what we've been trying to tell you.
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Then they took Henry and Wally Ellenson. Those two embodied the quote from Cardale Jones as he famously said, “We ain’t come here to play school.”
Are all Juco players bad? Absolutely not. Are all players out of high school angels? Absolutely not. The fact the administration is forcing athletics to eliminate evaluations and going after juco talent is wrong and goes against the universities mission.
But wally graduated. Dumb argument.
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But wally graduated. Dumb argument.
As did Cardale from OSU.
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Wally earned a degree from Marquette.
And he did everything he possibly could to not accomplish that. Rereading the previous posts, I may have slightly misinterpreted the discussion. However my point is that Wally “earned” a degree as a non Juco kid while he had to be begged to go to class and barely passed his cherry picked curriculum to succeed. Henry leaves campus the day after the season ends with no intention of completing any remaining school work.
Knowing all of this and maintaining Jucos are inherently toxic is wrong.
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And he did everything he possibly could to not accomplish that. Rereading the previous posts, I may have slightly misinterpreted the discussion. However my point is that Wally “earned” a degree as a non Juco kid while he had to be begged to go to class and barely passed his cherry picked curriculum to succeed. Henry leaves campus the day after the season ends with no intention of completing any remaining school work.
Knowing all of this and maintaining Jucos are inherently toxic is wrong.
Has that been said by anyone here? By the admin or AD's office at MU?
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And he did everything he possibly could to not accomplish that.
Lol...what? That makes no sense.
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Lol...what? That makes no sense.
Wally ain’t come to Marquette to play school...
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Has that been said by anyone here? By the admin or AD's office at MU?
Not overtly but when was the last time we’ve been involved with a Juco?
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Wally ain’t come to Marquette to play school...
But he did with his degree as evidence. As did the guy you are quoting.
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Not overtly but when was the last time we’ve been involved with a Juco?
We have been mentioned with a couple. Including one who took an official a couple years ago but went to Wichita instead.
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Not overtly but when was the last time we’ve been involved with a Juco?
Last spring Wojo and co was scouting a couple.
There is no ban on recruiting JUCOs, that is a myth. The reason we haven't seen many JUCOs is because there are very few JUCOs that are good enough at basketball to earn a scholarship at the Big East level.
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As did Cardale from OSU.
But not in the all-important "allotted time."
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But doesn't that affect APR?
Maybe?
So can kids leaving early for the pros. Better not recruit anyone with that kind of potential.
So can transfers. Better not recruit anyone who might transfer.
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Last spring Wojo and co was scouting a couple.
There is no ban on recruiting JUCOs, that is a myth. The reason we haven't seen many JUCOs is because there are very few JUCOs that are good enough at basketball to earn a scholarship at the Big East level.
Then things have seriously changed in a short period of time.
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Last spring Wojo and co was scouting a couple.
There is no ban on recruiting JUCOs, that is a myth. The reason we haven't seen many JUCOs is because there are very few JUCOs that are good enough at basketball to earn a scholarship at the Big East level.
Here is a list put together by an observer of the JUCO scene on last years top 100 . It would be an interesting to see how their performance has been this year. We know Galen Alexander got booted from Georgetown.
https://www.jucorecruiting.com/2019-juco-basketball-top-100-rankings
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Then things have seriously changed in a short period of time.
Not really. Buzz was just very well connected in the JUCO scene and got the best ones a few years in a row. It gave us an exaggerated sense of how much talent there is in that pool. Now that D1 is so large there is a place for almost everyone coming out of high school who has the talent to play at the D1 level.
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Our supposed mission is to educate people with the purpose of getting a degree or at least the opportunity to get it if they put the work in. We have often been above what the NCAA’s bar of requirements have been, and that is a good thing. The idea of renting someone that has no chance at that opportunity whether in the immediate timeframe while playing or years later if they comeback to finish that degree is squirmy at best. I expect that from some schools.
We have taken / recruited all kinds of kids to MU over the year with one ABSOLUTE guarantee...you do the work, pass your classes you can earn a degree from MU. When that is made impossible, that is plain wrong. Are we a university or something else?
Cheeks - this isn’t a true statement or a correct interpretation of the events. Jae was given bad advice in that he went to a non-accredited school. Meaning his credits where meaningless but he used up two years of his eligibility playing ball.
He was recruited by Marquette and he was there for two years getting credits that got him closer to his degree. At any point after those two years he could finish up his degree and MU would not have had to charge him for it.
To say it was impossible to get while still eligible to play is one thing but not impossible to get period.
I would not be surprise to hear that Hutch did not pay Marquette to finish his degree.
If we truly look at the situation and say that is squirmy then Jae would not have been recruited by any school and he would not be in the NBA right now. The fact he got to play for MU exposes his talents to the NBA and he can always come back to get his degree.
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Maybe?
So can kids leaving early for the pros. Better not recruit anyone with that kind of potential.
So can transfers. Better not recruit anyone who might transfer.
I was under the impression that if a player leaves early for the pros it does not affect APR at all.
Is that accurate?
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1. Isn't this the case 99 percent of the time?
2. False choice fallacy.
3. Time allotted to them = years of NCAA eligibility = dumb logic.
The time allotted to Jae is the rest of his life.
1. Sure
2. Based on the actions of Marquette & the responses in here, clearly not.
3. Time is allotted by APR. You can say the rules are dumb & I won't disagree, but that doesn't poof them out of existence.
I love Jae. He was a great player and represents Marquette well. I embrace him as an alum. But the NCAA created a system that rewards players who are able to get on a graduation track during their scholarship time. Schools have been punished and given postseason bans because of APR. Marquette decided to make that a priority.
JUCOs are welcome as long as they are academically on track and have the skills to play at this level. As TAMU notes, those guys are rare. That's why Marquette worked so hard with Jameel McKay and why they have continued to occasionally recruit JUCOs like Darrall Willis.
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1. Sure
2. Based on the actions of Marquette & the responses in here, clearly not.
3. Time is allotted by APR. You can say the rules are dumb & I won't disagree, but that doesn't poof them out of existence.
I love Jae. He was a great player and represents Marquette well. I embrace him as an alum. But the NCAA created a system that rewards players who are able to get on a graduation track during their scholarship time. Schools have been punished and given postseason bans because of APR. Marquette decided to make that a priority.
JUCOs are welcome as long as they are academically on track and have the skills to play at this level. As TAMU notes, those guys are rare. That's why Marquette worked so hard with Jameel McKay and why they have continued to occasionally recruit JUCOs like Darrall Willis.
Jae was the last JUCO to play basketball at Marquette. One of the (many) rubs between McKay and Buzz was Buzz wanted Jameel to redshirt to catch up on Larry’s new academic requirements. Jae was cleared by the NCAA after summer school work and was approved independently by MU Admissions, which after Crean, student athletes’ admissions were moved out of the AD. There are no JUCOs on any sports team at MU, nor have been for years when there was before. There were basketball JUCOs who were recruited to Oregon, Kansas, Louisville, Virginia and hey, even Georgia the last two years, among many other top basketball schools.
Draw your own slant.
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Jae was the last JUCO to play basketball at Marquette. One of the (many) rubs between McKay and Buzz was Buzz wanted Jameel to redshirt to catch up on Larry’s new academic requirements. Jae was cleared by the NCAA after summer school work and was approved independently by MU Admissions, which after Crean, student athletes’ admissions were moved out of the AD. There are no JUCOs on any sports team at MU, nor have been for years when there was before. There were basketball JUCOs who were recruited to Oregon, Kansas, Louisville, Virginia and hey, even Georgia the last two years, among many other top basketball schools.
Draw your own slant.
I don't disagree that they made it more prohibitive. But they were willing to work with McKay and were coordinating his classes at Indian Hills & have since offered JUCOs. It's possible, but they've made it harder. I also acknowledge it's entirely possible what happened under Larry & the standards they kept in place allow for negative recruiting against Marquette for those players. It's far less likely we'll see JUCOs on MU teams, and frankly, that's okay. If they qualify & want to come, fine. If not, we recruit high school & transfer players and that's fine too.
I came from a 2-year school to Marquette and while most of my credits transferred, I had additional classes to take as requirements & because they classified some of my transfer credits as general ed, I had to cram in extra classes my third year at Marquette to qualify for a minor. And that's from the UW system, and I didn't have full time basketball to worry about.
How on earth did we get to JUCOs in the sell out discussion? Chicos?
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It’s horsesh*t that some of your UW credits didn’t transfer brew. Marquette has a real problem with how they handle transfers. You’re not the first I know who experienced that problem.
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It’s horsesh*t that some of your UW credits didn’t transfer brew. Marquette has a real problem with how they handle transfers. You’re not the first I know who experienced that problem.
It was frustrating. It was as I recall 4 English classes that were reclassified as general ed. I was on track to graduate with a Comm major & should've had far more than enough credits for my English minor, but suddenly I was told I needed additional classes in my last semester, including a Shakespeare class that was more basic than multiple classes I took at UWW.
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as I recall 4 English classes that were reclassified as general ed.
I nearly had the same problem with a single English class I took from a university in Ohio before my freshman year (4 year school). Fought it, and they gave it to me. But not sure why Marquette thinks they teach English better than everyone else...
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But not sure why Marquette thinks they teach English better than everyone else...
Judging by the grammar on this board (me included), they do not.
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Not really. Buzz was just very well connected in the JUCO scene and got the best ones a few years in a row. It gave us an exaggerated sense of how much talent there is in that pool. Now that D1 is so large there is a place for almost everyone coming out of high school who has the talent to play at the D1 level.
Fair enough.
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Judging by the grammar on this board (me included), they do not.
Hah, yes. And to be clear, I'm only claiming I passed my required English classes.
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Judging by the grammar on this board (me included), they do not.
You win post of the day. ;D
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Eye took English klass wit da athletes. John Pick wuz da best, hey?
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Judging by the grammar on this board (me myself included), they do not.
FIFY
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FIFY
I should have used teal.
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I should have used teal.
And ruined the joke?
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While on the topic of Jucos, it is worth noting that many of the key players in Al's day were Jucos. Guys like Bob "The Black Swan" Lackey.
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And ruined the joke?
point taken
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While on the topic of Jucos, it is worth noting that many of the key players in Al's day were Jucos. Guys like Bob "The Black Swan" Lackey.
Just a question. Who are the current JUCOs being recruited by the high majors? I don't see many references to JUCOs in recruiting news any more.
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Just a question. Who are the current JUCOs being recruited by the high majors? I don't see many references to JUCOs in recruiting news any more.
https://www.jucorecruiting.com/2020-junior-college-basketball-player-rankings-top-100
https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege
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https://www.jucorecruiting.com/2020-junior-college-basketball-player-rankings-top-100
https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege
Thanks. Truthfully didn't know there were that many.
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While on the topic of Jucos, it is worth noting that many of the key players in Al's day were Jucos. Guys like Bob "The Black Swan" Lackey.
and Jerome Whitehead