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Title: Weber grilled
Post by: tower912 on December 07, 2019, 10:23:05 PM
1. I am not sure what a foul is anymore.
2.  I don't think Markus is 100%.  Couple unnecessary forces.  Never looked in rhythm.
3.  Koby has 10 days to calm down.  Not good right now.
4.  Cain and Elliott brought a lot tonight.   Jamal, don't dribble.  Greg, stronger with the ball.  Jamal, you have not earned the right to take a heat check 3.
5.  Symir is going to be just fine.
6.  When Bailey was hot, Wojo rode him.  When Cain was hot, Wojo rode him.  I like it.
7.  Some undefeated teams went on the road today and got curb stomped.   Road games are tough.
8.  Sacar is a steadying influence today.
9.  Marquette's defense is much improved. A little too much fouling.
10.  I would have put Bailey in rather than Jayce when Theo fouled out.
11.  Road wins, especially grind it out ugly wins, are worth their weight in gold.  It is going to be OK.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 07, 2019, 10:24:48 PM
Marquette wins, covers, and doesn't have any injuries.

Good day.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2019, 10:25:41 PM
Had no problem with that Jamal shot towards the end. He was that good.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: wadesworld on December 07, 2019, 10:26:08 PM
Markus needs to drive to one side or the other, not right down the middle. Defenses collapse on him and he doesn’t have his head up early enough to react in time, and then he’s too small to pass out of it. When he drives to a side only have the defense can collapse and he’s so good of a scorer he can score on that or draw a foul.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MUEng92 on December 07, 2019, 10:28:47 PM
I’m okay with games that Markus is “bad” and finishes with 19 points
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 07, 2019, 10:29:08 PM
Had no problem with that Jamal shot towards the end. He was that good.

Same. THat was an open shot in the corner on a catch and shoot
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: fjm on December 07, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
Solid win. Especially when they basically shot twice as many FT’s as we did.

I thought Symir was slick as hell in the first half. Some great passes
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: lawdog77 on December 07, 2019, 10:32:02 PM
Excellent bench production  30 pts, 9 assists.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2019, 10:33:41 PM
Different guys stepping up every game. If we can get some consistency going into conference play things will be looking pretty good.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2019, 10:34:06 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Jamal tho. What a game. LFG kid.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: harryp on December 07, 2019, 10:34:53 PM
A lot of assists the whole game -- good! Torrence looked good, but the announcers were terrible
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: wadesworld on December 07, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.

Transfers often take much of the non conference season to settle in. He’ll be fine.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 07, 2019, 10:36:22 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.

Koby doesn’t suck.  He isn’t playing well.  Huge difference.

He had a big assist to Theo on the P&R, a huge 3 and a rebound and 2 FTs made at the end.

Has to get better for sure, but he can.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2019, 10:36:25 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.

He doesn't suck. He's sucked recently. But we'll need him and he's going to get better.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 10:36:31 PM
I’m okay with games that Markus is “bad” and finishes with 19 points
Well said.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: WarriorDad on December 07, 2019, 10:37:02 PM
Guys fought hard.  Foul trouble, injuries, on the road.  Road wins are critical.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: NickelDimer on December 07, 2019, 10:37:08 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.
Big difference between sucking and not playing well. Chartouny sucked. Koby just isn’t playing well. Hope he figures it out soon.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 07, 2019, 10:37:39 PM
12. I think Symir is going to be better than just fine.
13. Hope that 3 near the end gets Koby back on track but I worry he's not quick enough - can't really break his man down off the dribble.
14. I missed a little but from what I saw Jamal was very, very good.
15. Greg outside shot was money - we'll need more of that.
16. Markus (twice in a row) took tough (one off balance) shots early in the shot clock when we were milking it late. Your senior leader/AA has to play smarter tan that.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 07, 2019, 10:39:08 PM
The good thing about Koby is he can definitely rebound and hes a legit second option with Markus to ice games.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: skianth16 on December 07, 2019, 10:39:39 PM
Really great win tonight. Lots of positive things to build on for a lot of different guys. I like seeing games where I don't even know who the leading scorer is. That kind of balance is great and will ultimately prove to be super helpful to Markus in the coming months.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: skianth16 on December 07, 2019, 10:43:06 PM
Big difference between sucking and not played well. Chartouny sucked. Koby just isn’t playing well. Hope he figures it out soon.

Does Marquette work with a sports psychologist or anyone else that might be able to help the guy get out of his own head a little bit? It seems like his own mental pr sure is keeping him from being the guy we need him to be
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2019, 10:44:07 PM
Does Marquette work with a sports psychologist or anyone else that might be able to help the guy get out of his own head a little bit? It seems like his own mental pr sure is keeping him from being the guy we need him to be

Markus uses one he has said.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: NCMUFan on December 07, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
16. Markus (twice in a row) took tough (one off balance) shots early in the shot clock when we were milking it late. Your senior leader/AA has to play smarter tan that.

# 16 spot on. 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: WarriorDad on December 07, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.

I hate when our fans talk about these young men like this.  Use different words.  He hit a gigantic three at the end and free throws.  He mixes it up, does not back down. 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 07, 2019, 10:52:55 PM
. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.

I agree, he is wound way too tight.  I think he needs the deep breaths exercise beforehe come into the game.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Gato78 on December 07, 2019, 10:54:33 PM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.
Except Koby hit, what could be considered the game clincher and hit two throws after getting that rebound. He is a good defender too. He played very well at the end and his teammates knew it and acknowledged it as well as Wojo on the postgame.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: nyg on December 07, 2019, 10:57:53 PM
Koby doesn’t suck.  He isn’t playing well.  Huge difference.

He had a big assist to Theo on the P&R, a huge 3 and a rebound and 2 FTs made at the end.

Has to get better for sure, but he can.

In the last five minutes, he played well, with the exception of fouling the guy with like 13 seconds left and Wojo went ballistic at him.  That was his fifth foul.  The three that he hit was big for him, really big.  Koby, from his previous play at Utah State and what he showed in the first two couple of games, displayed talent, but something is off right now. His emotions have been off the charts and maybe he knows he is pressing just bit, well, alot.

The last six games have been just terrible and the statistics do not lie.

8 for his last 43 (18%)
5 for his last 26 on threes (19%)
17 turnovers.  He has double the amount of turnovers than he has MADE baskets
23 fouls

The best thing I saw was Sacar hugging him at the end and banging on his chest, like saying its OK, you are back.  I hope so, because the talent is there, but just not clicking at the moment. 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MUfan12 on December 07, 2019, 10:58:16 PM
17) Koby is too upright when he drives. Dribble gets high and it negates his quickness.
18) Theo's last three fouls were good calls and he absolutely should know better by now.

On Markus... I think he's still trying to find the balance on when to shoot and when to pass. He could be more selfish, and it wouldn't hurt. But he just seems... a bit unsure.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: GoldenZebra on December 07, 2019, 10:59:46 PM
It was different to see Chartouny play last year and say "he sucks" when in fact he never showed flashes of anything better than his game showed. This year, Koby actually is a much better ball player than his time on the court has shown. Multiple teammates gave him reassurance during the game, because they know as well he is capable of much more. Once conf time rolls around I predict he will become a routine contributor.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2019, 11:00:40 PM
Except Koby hit, what could be considered the game clincher and hit two throws after getting that rebound. He is a good defender too. He played very well at the end and his teammates knew it and acknowledged it as well as Wojo on the postgame.

I mentioned the free throws. He’s been very good there. As I said, I am not a hater. Huge fan of the program and it’s players. Since I’ve followed very closely since 08 season, not sure there has been a player I’ve been less enamored with. There have definitely been worse players - but his attitude is bad, he can’t hit a shot, he travels 25% of the time he has the ball, his handle is loose. It’s bad.

I know the kid has talent, and I am not writing him off. But it’s been bad.

Super glad to get this W tonight. It’s huge in the long run. K State is a really bad offensive team though, and it showed.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2019, 11:02:01 PM
Right now, Koby vs Purdue is starting to look like John Dawson vs Georgetown.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: #UnleashSean on December 07, 2019, 11:04:00 PM
Johnson needs way more minutes. Like please start him.

Symir is doing very solid. Concerned on why no redshirt. But if he's like this please use him much more. A
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
MU started the day at 30 in KPom and finished at 24.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: CTWarrior on December 07, 2019, 11:15:11 PM
Ball movement good.
Offensive rebounding good.
Defensive rebounding bad.
Feels sometimes the refs seem to think we are there to watch them.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: DoctorV on December 07, 2019, 11:19:03 PM
I mentioned the free throws. He’s been very good there. As I said, I am not a hater. Huge fan of the program and it’s players. Since I’ve followed very closely since 08 season, not sure there has been a player I’ve been less enamored with. There have definitely been worse players - but his attitude is bad, he can’t hit a shot, he travels 25% of the time he has the ball, his handle is loose. It’s bad.

I know the kid has talent, and I am not writing him off. But it’s been bad.

Super glad to get this W tonight. It’s huge in the long run. K State is a really bad offensive team though, and it showed.

Watch both ends though, please. Also, I hope you saw the Purdue game.

I know one game can be an aberration, but when he’s right Koby can shoot, and shoot very well. Also, let’s not get into the Vander Blue part of the MU fanbase- please just zone in on Kobe on the Defensive end for a game or two and realize the game has multiple parts to it
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 07, 2019, 11:24:03 PM
Right now, Koby vs Purdue is starting to look like John Dawson vs Georgetown.

Uh, oh.  Magic Koby incoming from ners/elonmusk.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2019, 11:26:07 PM
Watch both ends though, please. Also, I hope you saw the Purdue game.

I know one game can be an aberration, but when he’s right Koby can shoot, and shoot very well. Also, let’s not get into the Vander Blue part of the MU fanbase- please just zone in on Kobe on the Defensive end for a game or two and realize the game has multiple parts to it

Of course I saw the Purdue game. I haven’t missed a game in half a decade.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: TheyWereCones on December 07, 2019, 11:31:46 PM
Get Symir more minutes.  He looks good.  Passes extremely well.  Haven't had a guy with this much assist promise since Junior.  Looks good taking 3s too.  Hoping as he develops he gets into the lane more and can finish at the rim or get a floater.  Can't wait to see him feeding all our tall talent next year.

Jamal was huge today.  He & Greg might be the best 6/7 guys in the BE and you could make arguments for both starting.

Hope Koby figures it out and gets his focus right.  Even an average Koby would help tremendously right now.

Unfortunate that we get almost nothing from our bigs on O every game.  Why do they get blocked so much, Theo especially?

In general, I like our 10-man rotation this year.  We have depth.  Symir has been showing that we are truly 10 deep.  Comes in when the others were in foul trouble and we did just fine with him in.  10 men contributing means we can afford a bad Koby game and Brendan being a non-factor (2 starters) and still win on the road.

I think this team is going to be completely unpredictable all season.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 11:37:19 PM
++ I actually admired the way Koby shook off his woes to finish this game very strong. He is a fiery guy, and sometimes he is his own worst enemy, but he showed some mental toughness there. Scoopers need to be patient with him, just as they had to be with Katin and Lockett. He will help our team. Hell, he already has. We get crushed by Purdue without him coming through big-time. Excellent FT shooter, good rebounder, solid defender. But yes, like all MU guards not named Symir, he has a loose-ish handle.

++ Agree with the Scoopers who noted Markus' early-clock shots down the stretch. One was really off-balance and silly. The other was only a little better. And his foul on the rebound was dopey, too. (If it was a foul; ESPN was terrible with replays all game.) That said, I liked the way he didn't force shots most of the game; he hit a couple big 3s; he had several shots that were down but somehow didn't go in; he drew a charge; had 4 assists and could have had twice that if shots had been made by teammates. I'd be happy if all of his "bad" games were like this one.

++ Cain is doing this season what many of us hoped for (or even expected) last year after his strong finish as a freshman. Really happy for him; he seems like a great kid who truly enjoys playing basketball. His Michigan buddy ain't half-bad, either ... though Elliott needs to hold onto that pass against the press!!

++ Symir looks smooth as silk. Very excited about his future.

++ Except for the foul-foul-foul finish, Theo battled well against a good player.

++ Loved the way we moved the ball on a lot of possessions, both when Markus was in and out of the game.

++ Another good game for Sacar, who was on the receiving end of a lot of physical play but just kept picking himself up off the deck to help us.

++ Really liked the way Wojo used his personnel today. Managed the 5 position well, rode Cain and Elliott, dealt with Markus' foul problems well, got Symir some nice minutes, etc.

++ Any road win is a good win. Those who say otherwise haven't paid attention to college basketball this season (or most any season).

++ This game and Davidson were two less-talked-about non-con games that concerned me, and I'm very happy we scrapped out wins in both. Take care of business until NYE, and we'll be 10-2 -- pretty darn good any year. Win our first two BEast games, and we'll be ranked again.

++ We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: wadesworld on December 07, 2019, 11:38:42 PM
++ I actually admired the way Koby shook off his woes to finish this game very strong. He is a fiery guy, and sometimes he is his own worst enemy, but he showed some mental toughness there. Scoopers need to be patient with him, just as they had to be with Katin and Lockett. He will help our team. Hell, he already has. We get crushed by Purdue without him coming through big-time. Excellent FT shooter, good rebounder, solid defender. But yes, like all MU guards not named Symir, he has a loose-ish handle.

++ Agree with the Scoopers who noted Markus' early-clock shots down the stretch. One was really off-balance and silly. The other was only a little better. And his foul on the rebound was dopey, too. (If it was a foul; ESPN was terrible with replays all game.) That said, I liked the way he didn't force shots most of the game; he hit a couple big 3s; he had several shots that were down but somehow didn't go in; he drew a charge; had 4 assists and could have had twice that if shots had been made by teammates. I'd be happy if all of his "bad" games were like this one.

++ Cain is doing this season what many of us hoped for (or even expected) last year after his strong finish as a freshman. Really happy for him; he seems like a great kid who truly enjoys playing basketball. His Michigan buddy ain't half-bad, either ... though Elliott needs to hold onto that pass against the press!!

++ Symir looks smooth as silk. Very excited about his future.

++ Except for the foul-foul-foul finish, Theo battled well against a good player.

++ Loved the way we moved the ball on a lot of possessions, both when Markus was in and out of the game.

++ Another good game for Sacar, who was on the receiving end of a lot of physical play but just kept picking himself up off the deck to help us.

++ Really liked the way Wojo used his personnel today. Managed the 5 position well, rode Cain and Elliott, dealt with Markus' foul problems well, got Symir some nice minutes, etc.

++ Any road win is a good win. Those who say otherwise haven't paid attention to college basketball this season (or most any season).

++ This game and Davidson were two less-talked-about non-con games that concerned me, and I'm very happy we scrapped out wins in both. Take care of business until NYE, and we'll be 10-2 -- pretty darn good any year. Win our first two BEast games, and we'll be ranked again.

++ We Are Marquette!

Is there a Sparknotes version of this post somewhere?
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: DoctorV on December 07, 2019, 11:38:53 PM
Of course I saw the Purdue game. I haven’t missed a game in half a decade.

Point taken, didn’t mean to be condescending. To your point, he has struggled mightily lately.

Can I offer another solution to make you feel better- see the end of the game with MARKUS and sacar in his ear pumping him up. It seems clear Koby is emotion oriented/driven. Markus and Sacar, as they leaders of the team, know how much he means to it.

If that doesn’t make you feel better compare him to chartouny.
Ps- joe if you read this I apologize. The scene with you and your family taking photos in NYC happy to be a part of MU were awesome, thanks for choosing Marquette
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 11:40:59 PM
Point taken, didn’t mean to be condescending. To your point, he has struggled mightily lately.

Can I offer another solution to make you feel better- see the end of the game with MARKUS and sacar in his ear pumping him up. It seems clear Koby is emotion oriented/driven. Markus and Sacar, as they leaders of the team, know how much he means to it.

If that doesn’t make you feel better compare him to chartouny.
Ps- joe if you read this I apologize. The scene with you and your family taking photos in NYC happy to be a part of MU were awesome, thanks for choosing Marquette

Markus also picked up Cain after Jamal struggled on a couple plays early in the game. Good leadership.

Is there a Sparknotes version of this post somewhere?

Reading is FUN-damental.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: WarriorFan on December 07, 2019, 11:42:53 PM
Other than the officiating (which wasn't biased, just bad, with too many whistles) that was a fun game to watch. 

MU missed key minutes from BB/Sacar/Markus for various reasons and others stepped up.
The bench played a major role.
The bigs were good.
Ed didn't travel.
Symir played great... did his job perfectly for the team.   Even was better on D.
Koby played good D, and again had critical buckets near the end.
Jamal showed off his elite athleticism.
Markus added 19 despite looking "off".  He had a bigger guy holding him most of the game.  If you watched the sides of the camera shots, he took an amazing amount of contact off the ball, including some after stoppages.  Nice job by him to maintain patience and composure.  The only problem I have with his two shots near the end is that they were too early in the clock. 
I worry more when Sacar goes off the court than when Markus is off.  Sacar is the glue guy.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: 🏀 on December 08, 2019, 12:05:35 AM
Koby stinks right now. Smelly enough to come off the bench next game. It’s performance, attitude, body language he’s gotta stop pressing.

He doesn’t suck, he stinks.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 08, 2019, 12:20:13 AM
Koby did play good defense all night which is why he was out there (plus what he is theoretically capable of on offense).

The knock on Symir has been his defense but he looked pretty good from what I saw tonight.

Symir has three cupcakes to work on his D and Koby has three cupcakes to get his head right. Think it is good timing for both of them.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2019, 12:24:53 AM
Koby did play good defense all night which is why he was out there (plus what he is theoretically capable of on offense).

The knock on Symir has been his defense but he looked pretty good from what I saw tonight.

Symir has three cupcakes to work on his D and Koby has three cupcakes to get his head right. Think it is good timing for both of them.

Great point, TAMU.

I still think Koby will be a big contributor this season, and I am looking forward to Symir having a great Warriors career.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: DoctorV on December 08, 2019, 12:33:33 AM
Yup, above comment is right.

The best thing here is that MU keeps building weapons, and that's key this time of year.

The proof? I haven’t seen a mention of Bailey all night. He’s a starter, two days ago he went nuke you lahr.

Point is, keep building weapons.
Obviously MARKUS is the season, but Sacar and Koby cmon (remember my 50 ppg per night on average between the three combined being the key to this season)

Bailey, Greg, Jamal, Symir. They have all stepped up and then can and will be needed at some point in March. I’m confident that we now have more weapons because of this group.
Asterisk** Jamal has already proven he can be a difference defensively, so did Brendan last year. The team needs this. Greg needs a guard version of this w steals and creating extra possessions. Symir, your job is creating offense and not creating calm with team control when needed (helps the defense during runs!)

I don’t count Ed, Theo and Jayce here because they are bigs and in a league of their own, no expectance offensively. That said, I think in the next 3 wojo needs to put an emphasis on feeding the post early and letting these guys build offensive confidence, I think it carries them defensively and I think it’ll help to carry over into conference.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: burger on December 08, 2019, 12:41:19 AM
Markus tried to play "hero ball" at the end taking shots early in the shot clock with less than 4 minutes left.....

Poor senior leadership and dumb.....

This is "exactly" why Joey and Sam left......

You can get those shots with under 5 seconds on the clock any time instead of when there is 20 seconds remaining......
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 08, 2019, 12:54:03 AM
Markus tried to play "hero ball" at the end taking shots early in the shot clock with less than 4 minutes left.....

Poor senior leadership and dumb.....

This is "exactly" why Joey and Sam left......

You can get those shots with under 5 seconds on the clock any time instead of when there is 20 seconds remaining......

lol
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: wadesworld on December 08, 2019, 12:59:49 AM
Markus tried to play "hero ball" at the end taking shots early in the shot clock with less than 4 minutes left.....

Poor senior leadership and dumb.....

This is "exactly" why Joey and Sam left......

You can get those shots with under 5 seconds on the clock any time instead of when there is 20 seconds remaining......

Thanks for stopping by, Stephanie!
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on December 08, 2019, 01:22:58 AM
Thanks for stopping by, Stephanie!
...Oh really? That's why they left? That is not a good reason. Then I am disappointed. That tells me there were 'agenda's.'

They were winning weren't they? That should have been the main objective here.

That will happen in the NBA or G-League too with guys taking quick shots... early in the shot clock instead of playing that incessant 'wheel offense' that they get into swing the ball from side to side and not getting any shot at all with 5 seconds left.

Sometimes that was the best shot they could get. But it was not "their shots" is what the problem was. Who is really being selfish here...? A a top 3 scorer in the nation should have level of 'freedom' to do that.

 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 08, 2019, 01:36:43 AM
Markus tried to play "hero ball" at the end taking shots early in the shot clock with less than 4 minutes left.....

Poor senior leadership and dumb.....

This is "exactly" why Joey and Sam left......

You can get those shots with under 5 seconds on the clock any time instead of when there is 20 seconds remaining......

 ::)
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Markusquette on December 08, 2019, 01:44:48 AM
Sadly my recording finished before I saw the end of the game. Great W. Can't say I'm surprised with the touchy foul calls all game. Some pretty bad ones. It's really nice to see the team play well when Markus is on the bench.

Jamal was all over tonight. Great shooter, nice put-backs, skying for boards. He is easily most improved player. Already offering something Joey never would have while shooting well. Very pleased to see Jamal playing well. Nice to see a game where Morrow didn't walk. Theo had a few nice plays but the story of the game was the wings tonight.

Sacar is a very solid all-around player. He made some big shots and drove well. Greg made clutch threes. Been saying numerous times how good Symir's vision is. Once his d keeps catching up he will be a great asset.

I was a little puzzled early in the second when Koby had the ball Markus literally stood in the corner and did not move a few possessions in a row. McEwen can't get down on himself so much. Seems like he plays with too much pent-up anger and frustration. 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 08, 2019, 05:38:16 AM
Had no problem with that Jamal shot towards the end. He was that good.
Agree it was also a good shot
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 08, 2019, 06:58:08 AM
Didn’t get to see the game. We went on the road to another P6 opponent and won, lifting our Ken Pom to top 25, and most of the comments here are negative including statement about how bad our players are

People just enjoy it. It’s a game. We are doing well.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: tower912 on December 08, 2019, 07:09:24 AM
This team is tough.  And deep.
 Overcame foul trouble. 
Beat a team with revenge on their mind.  Beat a team known for grinding and physical play. 
Held them to 32% shooting and 30% from 3.
  30 free throws, but MU was playing a physical team in their gym. 
Two starters fouled out.  The only starter not in foul trouble was Sacar.  And the continuity was seamless.
Out rebounded them on their floor.

Anybody who did not come out of this came encouraged is a fool.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401168409
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 08, 2019, 07:20:40 AM
was sure RC after a couple of his saturday night specials would have posted something here about his thick sliced, maple-cured pork belly and how he crisps it up on the weber after the 4-5 day cure, followed by a 4 hour applewood smoke
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: willie warrior on December 08, 2019, 07:30:33 AM
Glad to see Cain becoming a big factor. He needs minutes, and he is as good a shooter, if not better than Bailey, and a better rebounder. Symir can handle the ball and needs more minutes at the point. When it comes down to it, after Markus, the 2 through 9 rotations all have about equal overall talent, with pluses and minuses. We have a three headed 5 with Theo being the best rim protector. Symir looks to be the best at point and Cain should get 25 minutes per game. The rest all are talented. Can Wojo figure it all out?
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: lawdog77 on December 08, 2019, 07:30:41 AM
Johnson needs way more minutes. Like please start him.

Symir is doing very solid. Concerned on why no redshirt. But if he's like this please use him much more. A
Sy's last two games; 30 minutes, 8 assists, 0 turnovers.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 08, 2019, 07:31:50 AM
Just watched the game.  I really believe this team is getting back to the toughness we were known for back in the Buzz years.  Lot of tough kids on this team mentality and physically.  The offense on those tough teams always started off slowly but became much more polished by the end of the year and made tournament runs.  This team is capable of doing the same. Lot of guys gaining confidence.  I’m really looking forward to Big East play.  Think we will surprise people.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 08, 2019, 07:35:11 AM
Just watched the game.  I really believe this team is getting back to the toughness we were known for back in the Buzz years.  Lot of tough kids on this team mentality and physically.  The offense on those tough teams always started off slowly but became much more polished by the end of the year and made tournament runs.  This team is capable of doing the same. Lot of guys gaining confidence.  I’m really looking forward to Big East play.  Think we will surprise people.


I have mentioned this before but I think Wojo realized how tough a BE team has to play and started to recruit guys like Sacar. Players who may not have huge skills, but are the tough, do everything Mofos that other teams hate to face.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 08, 2019, 07:38:08 AM
Agreed.  We may not be the most skilled team but we aren’t backing down from any fight.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 08, 2019, 07:40:05 AM

I have mentioned this before but I think Wojo realized how tough a BE team has to play and started to recruit guys like Sacar. Players who may not have huge skills, but are the tough, do everything Mofos that other teams hate to face.

And Dexter is waiting his turn.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MUDPT on December 08, 2019, 07:42:23 AM
Sacar is starting to see the spaces left by defenders shading towards Markus on the perimeter. Frankly, all of our action that doesn’t involve Markus, should have Markus planted in the corner, opens up so much space. Up to Wojo to figure that out. I also don’t think we appreciate Markus enough for how much teams have to game plan for him. Was thinking of the Texas tech scheme of forcing everything baseline, and how Markus is just going to get a step of space and bury a 3. Really can’t do that against him.

Also, MU currently is ranked 14th in wins above bubble. Really, really good resume.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 08, 2019, 07:42:37 AM
And I think Cain, Elliott, and Bailey are developing into those guys.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: moomoo on December 08, 2019, 08:20:40 AM
I am not a hater. Anyone who has posted here for at least a few years knows that.

Koby sucks. He is not good. We’re better with him in the bench until it’s free throw time. I hope that changes, because we need him to be an above average high major college basketball player to be anything more than a bubble team this year.

JJJJ

This Marquette team is tough.

Defense, rebounding, edge, toe to toe in enemy territory against nasty teams.

Koby is the catalyst to this toughness.



Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: brewcity77 on December 08, 2019, 09:21:16 AM

I have mentioned this before but I think Wojo realized how tough a BE team has to play and started to recruit guys like Sacar. Players who may not have huge skills, but are the tough, do everything Mofos that other teams hate to face.

Do you mean after Sacar he targeted more guys like that? Because Sacar was part of his first full recruiting class.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: We R Final Four on December 08, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
I like seeing where this years team’s personnel is headed.
BB gets the opportunity...it’s not there/foul trouble,etc.
OK, JC your turn.
JC takes advantage, BB plays 7 minutes. That’s big.
Koby having some issues.....ride GE more. ST gets some more run.
In the middle, TJ will play for long stretches when he’s playing smart. If Wojo feels he’s slipping a bit, Ed gets a chance.
I’m excited about the ‘next man up’ mentality.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
We won on the road against a solid team.   Need to win the next three games decisively to go into conference play with momentum. 

Jamal a quality teammate and delighted to see his confidence building.  He is now playing like the Pogo Stick we have needed for a long time. The rest of the team gets energy when he is going well.

 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Cheeks on December 08, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
Glad to see Cain becoming a big factor. He needs minutes, and he is as good a shooter, if not better than Bailey, and a better rebounder. Symir can handle the ball and needs more minutes at the point. When it comes down to it, after Markus, the 2 through 9 rotations all have about equal overall talent, with pluses and minuses. We have a three headed 5 with Theo being the best rim protector. Symir looks to be the best at point and Cain should get 25 minutes per game. The rest all are talented. Can Wojo figure it all out?

So fun watching you....not long ago you wanted Cain to ride pine.   Patience is in short short short supply at Scoop when it comes to player development.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Warrior Code on December 08, 2019, 10:37:14 AM
Get Symir more minutes.  He looks good.  Passes extremely well.  Haven't had a guy with this much assist promise since Junior.  Looks good taking 3s too.  Hoping as he develops he gets into the lane more and can finish at the rim or get a floater.  Can't wait to see him feeding all our tall talent next year.


Agreed on Symir. I like the way he handles the rock, very competent. These don't show up in the stats unless they lead directly to a bucket so you wouldn't notice unless you were looking for it, but he made a couple just perfect passes last night - good velocity on the ball, just beyond the reach of the defender but right where our guys want to catch it. Can't really teach that.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: oldwarrior81 on December 08, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
Symir with a team leading +20 last night.  Team seemed to click when he was on the floor.
fwiw, Koby was at -10.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 08, 2019, 11:06:14 AM
Symir with a team leading +20 last night.  Team seemed to click when he was on the floor.
fwiw, Koby was at -10.

Something to keep my eyes on, Thanks
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2019, 11:07:19 AM

Jamal was all over tonight. Great shooter, nice put-backs, skying for boards. He is easily most improved player. Already offering something Joey never would have while shooting well. Very pleased to see Jamal playing well.

I really like this point, M'quette. How many minutes would Cain have played if Joey were still around?

I am NOT saying I'm glad Hausershima happened. I'm just saying that every situation leads to something else, good or bad. Joey's absence has led to a great opportunity for Cain, and I am proud of the kid and happy for him that he has taken advantage.

After Markus picked up his fourth foul, our four non-bigs on the floor were Cain, Sacar, McEwen and Elliott. Four athletic guys with good height/length and good defensive skills who were able to switch on pretty much any player K-State had. Throw Bailey, Symir and Akanno into that group, too, as well as Oso and Lewis to replace (numerically) Sacar and McEwen next season.

Excited about our future -- both the rest of this season and beyond.

Heck, even joyless willie actually sounded almost not miserable!
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: BCHoopster on December 08, 2019, 11:27:05 AM
The future is fine but could be really interesting if they get Mane.  Either Koby keeps his spot on the floor or Mane takes it.  I really see Smyr
being the point next year with Theo (need a backup center), Dawson, Bailey or Cain, then Koby or Mane.  Throw in Elliott and the new recruits
and your pretty deep.  Akanno has a physical presence so I can see him getting minutes as well next year.  Again, 10 or 11 deep.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 08, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
16. Markus (twice in a row) took tough (one off balance) shots early in the shot clock when we were milking it late. Your senior leader/AA has to play smarter tan that.

This.   Chucking up shots with ~25 seconds on the shot clock when you're trying to run out the clock is a freshman move. 

Don't even think of setting up a shot until there's 10 seconds left.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: willie warrior on December 08, 2019, 11:41:09 AM
So fun watching you....not long ago you wanted Cain to ride pine.   Patience is in short short short supply at Scoop when it comes to player development.
Y'know Cheeks, you should ride the pine. Cain has been a favorite of mine, and I do not recall saying he should ride the pine. If I did, it was in a game where he was not playing well. But hey, we all must bow to the opinions of the sage Cheeky!
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 08, 2019, 11:47:08 AM
I really like this point, M'quette. How many minutes would Cain have played if Joey were still around?

I am NOT saying I'm glad Hausershima happened. I'm just saying that every situation leads to something else, good or bad. Joey's absence has led to a great opportunity for Cain, and I am proud of the kid and happy for him that he has taken advantage.

After Markus picked up his fourth foul, our four non-bigs on the floor were Cain, Sacar, McEwen and Elliott. Four athletic guys with good height/length and good defensive skills who were able to switch on pretty much any player K-State had. Throw Bailey, Symir and Akanno into that group, too, as well as Oso and Lewis to replace (numerically) Sacar and McEwen next season.

Excited about our future -- both the rest of this season and beyond.

Heck, even joyless willie actually sounded almost not miserable!

McEwen is back next season. 
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: StillWarriors on December 08, 2019, 11:52:01 AM
The depth on this team is really impressive. Seems every year we go into the season thinking that will be the case and for a variety of reasons it ends up there are really about 8 guys who carry the load. This team truly can go 10 deep without much of a drop off at all. Due to inconsistency, so far it seems to have worked out pretty well where the coaches have had a good knack for riding with the guys who are feeling it and limiting the minutes of the guys who are struggling. I suspect that leads to less frustration on the part of the players than if you just ride the same limited lineup no matter what they do out there when the next wave is very similar in terms of potential contribution. It will be very interesting to see how that evolves over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Cheeks on December 08, 2019, 12:00:10 PM
Y'know Cheeks, you should ride the pine. Cain has been a favorite of mine, and I do not recall saying he should ride the pine. If I did, it was in a game where he was not playing well. But hey, we all must bow to the opinions of the sage Cheeky!

Nope, all are free to have their opinions.  I'm guessing that 99% of us are picking ourselves up from the floor this morning that you had a post about this team that was even neutral, let alone semi-positive.  Did a relative take over your account?

Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: Cheeks on December 08, 2019, 12:02:09 PM
Throw Bailey, Symir and Akanno into that group, too, as well as Oso and Lewis to replace (numerically) Sacar and McEwen next season.

Excited about our future -- both the rest of this season and beyond.

Heck, even joyless willie actually sounded almost not miserable!

McEwen is a junior
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: skianth16 on December 08, 2019, 12:59:23 PM
Glad to see Cain becoming a big factor. He needs minutes, and he is as good a shooter, if not better than Bailey, and a better rebounder. Symir can handle the ball and needs more minutes at the point. When it comes down to it, after Markus, the 2 through 9 rotations all have about equal overall talent, with pluses and minuses. We have a three headed 5 with Theo being the best rim protector. Symir looks to be the best at point and Cain should get 25 minutes per game. The rest all are talented. Can Wojo figure it all out?

Jamal's shooting just baffles me. Sometimes I think he has one of the best looking shots on the team, but then he also has some of the biggest whiffs I've seen in college basketball on his resume too. It's weird how he can knock down a couple in a row and then throw up an airball. There aren't many guys shooting 40%+ in their careers that I can remember with that kind of inconsistency. All in, I think he's a pretty darn good shooter. It's just strange to see the ups and downs from him at times.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: skianth16 on December 08, 2019, 01:04:24 PM

Also, MU currently is ranked 14th in wins above bubble. Really, really good resume.

I don't think I've ever heard of wins above the bubble. What does that mean? Where did you find that stat?
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
McEwen is back next season.

D'oh!

McEwen is a junior

Double D'oh!

Management regrets the error.
Title: Re: Weber grilled
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 09, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
D'oh!

Double D'oh!

Management regrets the error.


 i think he's going to be o.k.  he's too proud to allow his recent play become his legacy.  i also think you're hoping this post of yours comes back to haunt you
   
    and that's ok too  ;)