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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020 on December 01, 2019, 01:56:32 PM
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
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Let's just go ahead and lock this bad boy before it even gets going.
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
We missed you the last couple games.
I thought they wanted more touches for guys like Theo and Ed. That’s what the team petition was all about, it wasn’t their own touches.
(I don’t want Ed and Theo getting more touches.)
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I liked it better before the internet when I could just turn off the tv after a game and not be exposed to utter stupidity
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What, no mention of the "letter"? Shocking nausea
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Markus took 12 shots, Sacar 13 and Bailey 16. Done.
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
Good Lord...are you kidding me? Of course you were nowhwere to be found the last three days...of course of course.
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
Ignorant comment in so many ways.
Markus was off, but was patient and got some good looks that didn’t go down today. He distributed the ball and didn’t force much. He won’t have too many shooting days like that.
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
Third on the team in shots today. You can go ahead and show yourself the door.
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Joey would’ve been the Best Supporting Actor on Maryland‘s highlight reel if he played today.
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Anim and Bailey have no where near the games they had today if MH was not on the team.
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What, no mention of the "letter"? Shocking nausea
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Markus took 12 shots, Sacar 13 and Bailey 16. Done.
You can't just look at the box score and evaluate whether or not Markus was making the right decisions on this game. He had a very rough sequence right in the middle of our comeback that put a massive damper on our chances of coming back, however slim they may have been.
From 7:30 - 5:00 to go in the 2nd half Howard had 3 missed shots, 1 TO and 1 Assist.
For as great as Howard is, his attempts to shoot/dribble himself out of a funk have lead to some of the lowest lows around.
All that being said, this inability to recognize that he doesn't have it any given night is such a rare occasion that we just have to live with the warts as they are.
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The Hausers can go suck an egg!
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Joey would have been posterized again today.
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The Hausers can go suck an egg!
Hear hear.
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You guys are thinking of someone else. I rarely post. Markus should’ve remained on the bench in the 2nd against Maryland’s athleticism. He was a liability today. Looking forward to his 39 next game. Love Markus.
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
NM
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..... Joey would’ve been exposed today.
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You guys are thinking of someone else. I rarely post. Markus should’ve remained on the bench in the 2nd against Maryland’s athleticism. He was a liability today. Looking forward to his 39 next game. Love Markus.
You don't put a guy like that on the bench as he occupies a defender in a huge way due to his threat of scoring.
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People's opinions of the Hausers' abilities changing so drastically based on what jersey they're wearing is weird to me.
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24-3 to start with them last year, i can easily see us being right around there 27 games in this season
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24-3 to start with them last year, i can easily see us being right around there 27 games in this season
We are not going 19-1 in our next 20 games.
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We are not going 19-1 in our next 20 games.
i said be right around there, i can see 22-5
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We are not going 19-1 in our next 20 games.
Exactly. We're going 20-0
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i said be right around there, i can see 22-5
Not with this year's version of the Big East.
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i said be right around there, i can see 22-5
But finish stronger this year because everyone on the team is actively trying to win
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Every run we went on was w Markus on the bench. Simply a matchup issue. Same issue as last year, Markus “ultimate green light”. I don’t blame Sam (Joey is still a bitch).
Without Markus, this team loses to Davidson and we don't have the luxury of complaining about his tired legs today.
Markus is not the problem. His scoring acumen has kept us relevant for 3 years now.
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Without Markus, this team loses to Davidson and we don't have the luxury of complaining about his tired legs today.
Different matchup. Today they needed the length.
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Couldn’t this take have just been posted in the game thread?
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He’s not wrong. The Hauser’s did shoot like 97% from the field (only misses at the end of the shot clock after Markus dribbled around for 34 seconds), grab around 37 rebounds a game between them all while each of them playing lock down defense on two players each. Of course without any turnovers.
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He’s not wrong. The Hauser’s did shoot like 97% from the field (only misses at the end of the shot clock after Markus dribbled around for 34 seconds), grab around 37 rebounds a game between them all while each of them playing lock down defense on two players each. Of course without any turnovers.
You're selling them short, MUEng. With them, we win this one by 60. I mean, Joey's replacement (Bailey) absolutely sucked today.
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Different matchup. Today they needed the length.
Length helps when it can put the ball in the basket. Koby has length. He looked overmatched today. As did Ed. As did Theo. As did Sacar until the game was out of hand.
Markus looked tired. That should be expected. He isn't physically gifted like Lebron. He's giving up 6" and 20-30 lbs every game. He is a stud and as gifted offensively as any player we've had since wade. He's done more to save Wojo than to hurt him.
Markus is not perfect but he shouldn't be a whipping boy when he doesn't live up to his lofty standards. Markus is a weapon that should make everything easier for others. Kinda like Cowan for Maryland. MU's offense looks as putrid with him as it does without him. That's because our offense is bad.The only difference between good and bad games is Markus being so skilled that he turns bad plays to good ones. He didn't force early today, the D was good early, and we got rolled.
Sam is missed because he was the only other player who could make something out of nothing when the o stalls. Joey didn't show enough to feel jilted over. We'd be horrendous with the Hausers and no Markus.
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How about just saying Maryland is a damn good team and played extremely well. Plenty of talent and a good game plan to smother Markus. They wanted anyone else to score but him, even if it meant 27 from a different golden eagle. Or maybe it was all Dakich's fault?
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Does anyone honestly think MU wins this game with the Hausers and without Markus? Against a team with speed and athleticism and size at all 5 positions? Please.
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Does anyone honestly think MU wins this game with the Hausers and without Markus? Against a team with speed and athleticism and size at all 5 positions? Please.
This.
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aaaand that’s why the knuckleheads come out after losses.
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Does anyone honestly think MU wins this game with the Hausers and without Markus? Against a team with speed and athleticism and size at all 5 positions? Please.
IF this is the scenario, also without Sacar and poss w/o BB....... Just Sayin'.... 8-)
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The Hausers both transferred to better programs. Get over it and move on.
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They never went to Merrimack, did they? And certainly neither have nor will play for Golden State.
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aaaand that’s why the knuckleheads come out after losses.
Or during 5 to 10 minute stretches during a half they are around plenty, too.
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I liked it better before the internet when I could just turn off the tv after a game and not be exposed to utter stupidity
You can still do that, you know.
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Joey would have been posterized again today.
And then cried.
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And then cried.
probably would've wrote a letter too
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Keep in mind that Markus took 18 shots and made only one, and 4 free throws making only 2. If he makes only 2 3's and 7 from the field it's an entirely different ball game. Especially if Theo doesn't take a dribble b/4 stuffing it (which on one in his position) should NEVER do, could be a different result
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Keep in mind that Markus took 18 shots and made only one, and 4 free throws making only 2. If he makes only 2 3's and 7 from the field it's an entirely different ball game. Especially if Theo doesn't take a dribble b/4 stuffing it (which on one in his position) should NEVER do, could be a different result
Markus didn’t take 18 shots.
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Keep in mind that Markus took 18 shots and made only one, and 4 free throws making only 2. If he makes only 2 3's and 7 from the field it's an entirely different ball game. Especially if Theo doesn't take a dribble b/4 stuffing it (which on one in his position) should NEVER do, could be a different result
Markus was 1-12, not 1-18. He was 4-6 on FTs, not 2-4. That said, what if Bailey doesn't have the best offensive game of his life and Sacar doesn't go off? Then we lose by 41, not 21. The "what if" game has a lot of angles - not really worth playing.
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Keep in mind that Markus took 18 shots and made only one, and 4 free throws making only 2. If he makes only 2 3's and 7 from the field it's an entirely different ball game. Especially if Theo doesn't take a dribble b/4 stuffing it (which on one in his position) should NEVER do, could be a different result
What if we brought in a time machine and brought back Wade, Bo Ellis, Lucas and Chones all in their prime for this game. I bet we win then darn it all.
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The Hausers both transferred to better programs. Get over it and move on.
You’re only half right. Indeed we need to move on.
Virginia scored 46 points against, wait for it, Maine last week. Recent championship notwithstanding, you can have that brand of basketball.
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Ignorant comment in so many ways.
Markus was off, but was patient and got some good looks that didn’t go down today. He distributed the ball and didn’t force much. He won’t have too many shooting days like that.
Agree 100%. Hopefully Markus has more good games than bad. We need his “A” game to win.
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You’re only half right. Indeed we need to move on.
Virginia scored 46 points against, wait for it, Maine last week. Recent championship notwithstanding, you can have that brand of basketball.
Marquette is a better program than UVA because they scored 46 (and gave up 26) against Maine? Whatever you're drinkin' please send me some.
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Marquette is a better program than UVA because they scored 46 (and gave up 26) against Maine? Whatever you're drinkin' please send me some.
I don't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying Virginia plays a boring style of basketball
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I don't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying Virginia plays a boring style of basketball
Which they do.
If that style would give us national titles, FF appearances, etc, I'd have no problem with it.
Can't be boring and bad. That's the worst. But boring and great? That would be OK by me.
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Hell boring and good is exactly what we were under O'Neill.
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the hausers left because they have delusions of playing in the nba , neither will make it long if they even get there.
They also don't have to stones to get the shots they were being deprived of.
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<shrug> I think Sam could be an NBA player based on what I saw his first three years.
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After my last post about Markus, someone posted that I was inaccurate in saying that he took 18 shots. My statement was totally accurate -- look at the box score. 12 shots from the field and 6 from 3 point range. That totals 18. He said Markus was 4 of 6,not 2 of 4 free throws. Correct, I read it wrong. Immaterial.My point was that he had many chances to score and missed many more than usual. His bad night was a factor in the loss. It happens,
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After my last post about Markus, someone posted that I was inaccurate in saying that he took 18 shots. My statement was totally accurate -- look at the box score. 12 shots from the field and 6 from 3 point range. That totals 18. He said Markus was 4 of 6,not 2 of 4 free throws. Correct, I read it wrong. Immaterial.My point was that he had many chances to score and missed many more than usual. His bad night was a factor in the loss. It happens,
Yea thats not how it works. He took 12 shots total 6 of them being from 3.
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I don't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying Virginia plays a boring style of basketball
The original poster said the Hauser transferred to "better programs" and it was time to move on.
His reply: You're half right, it's time to move on. Half right = half wrong, so wrong on the "better programs". Then he singled out UVA as (also) boring. Whatever.
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harryp
Do some homework on this stuff and get back to us when you have it all figured out.
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After my last post about Markus, someone posted that I was inaccurate in saying that he took 18 shots. My statement was totally accurate -- look at the box score. 12 shots from the field and 6 from 3 point range. That totals 18.
Ummmmmm…...
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After my last post about Markus, someone posted that I was inaccurate in saying that he took 18 shots. My statement was totally accurate -- look at the box score. 12 shots from the field and 6 from 3 point range. That totals 18. He said Markus was 4 of 6,not 2 of 4 free throws. Correct, I read it wrong. Immaterial.My point was that he had many chances to score and missed many more than usual. His bad night was a factor in the loss. It happens,
A 3 pointer is a FG. he was 1-6 from 2 and 0-6 from 3. He had a bad shooting day but didn't take too many shots and didn't take very many bad shots. You were wrong man.
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The original poster said the Hauser transferred to "better programs" and it was time to move on.
His reply: You're half right, it's time to move on. Half right = half wrong, so wrong on the "better programs". Then he singled out UVA as (also) boring. Whatever.
Upon rereading, yep, I missed that part of what he was saying. Mea culpa
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Markus is an awesome talent...who has no idea how to play WITHIN an offense and is a defensive liability. The only game he knows is how to get himself open (either off the dribble or off a screen). Wojo is partly to blame b/c he designs his offense to get Markus the ball. IMO, we would be a MUCH better team if Markus looked to score within the flow of an offensive rather than that being our only offensive option. Even away from Markus, this style of play promotes too much one-on-one b/c when someone has the ball in somewhat a position to score, they try to score rather than find the best shot (open man) and make the right basketball play. Notice how our bigs never kick-out to the perimeter? It seems like the priority is to get Markus big numbers rather than play good basketball.
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Markus is an awesome talent...who has no idea how to play WITHIN an offense and is a defensive liability. The only game he knows is how to get himself open (either off the dribble or off a screen). Wojo is partly to blame b/c he designs his offense to get Markus the ball. IMO, we would be a MUCH better team if Markus looked to score within the flow of an offensive rather than that being our only offensive option. Even away from Markus, this style of play promotes too much one-on-one b/c when someone has the ball in somewhat a position to score, they try to score rather than find the best shot (open man) and make the right basketball play. Notice how our bigs never kick-out to the perimeter? It seems like the priority is to get Markus big numbers rather than play good basketball.
I don't agree with the rest of this post either, but this statement is the most incorrect. While no one is mistaking him for JFB, he has been a solid defender since his sophomore year.
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Markus is an awesome talent...who has no idea how to play WITHIN an offense and is a defensive liability. The only game he knows is how to get himself open (either off the dribble or off a screen). Wojo is partly to blame b/c he designs his offense to get Markus the ball. IMO, we would be a MUCH better team if Markus looked to score within the flow of an offensive rather than that being our only offensive option. Even away from Markus, this style of play promotes too much one-on-one b/c when someone has the ball in somewhat a position to score, they try to score rather than find the best shot (open man) and make the right basketball play. Notice how our bigs never kick-out to the perimeter? It seems like the priority is to get Markus big numbers rather than play good basketball.
I think there's a lot of merit to this post, but I do not think it is Markus' fault. I think it is the offense Wojo runs. We don't seem to do a lot of the things teams playing together do, like hit cutters with passes. We seem mostly to pass to the perimeter or to the low post, without a lot of whipping the ball around via the pass. We move the ball via the dribble.
Someone in another thread mentioned the give and fade play we ran to get an open three for Bailey from Howard, and I would love to see more of that stuff. I love ball movement but we just seem to catch the ball and either look to drive or look to shoot, not necessarily in that order. It would be nice if we looked for a quick pass to an open man heading toward the basket once in a while. It was the reason I liked Sam. It may not be in Wojo's offense, but a quick look to move the ball on to an open man unless he was open and squared up was just the way Sam played, I think.
I was hoping that with McEwen in the fold, we would at least see more drive and dish action for some easy hoops, but he hasn't been quite the penetrator I'd hoped and our bigs thus far have not been the finishers you need to make that work.
I still don't know what to make of this team, but the pieces are there to be pretty good 7 or 8 seed type team. Hope we can put it together.
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I don't agree with the rest of this post either, but this statement is the most incorrect. While no one is mistaking him for JFB, he has been a solid defender since his sophomore year.
Scoopers have long conflated Howard and Rowsey being a bad defensive backcourt with Howard continuing to be a bad individual defender. It's not true and has become less so every year.
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Scoopers have long conflated Howard and Rowsey being a bad defensive backcourt with Howard continuing to be a bad individual defender. It's not true and has become less so every year.
Yep. I know there were some much needed strategic changes but it's not a complete coincidence that our defense improved immediately after Rowsey left.
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Scoopers have long conflated Howard and Rowsey being a bad defensive backcourt with Howard continuing to be a bad individual defender. It's not true and has become less so every year.
Markus is the league leader in ole' defense. Watch him next game. Again, amazing offensive talent and a great one-on-one player, but not a complete player by any means. Best player isn't the one that scores the most.
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Markus is the league leader in ole' defense. Watch him next game. Again, amazing offensive talent and a great one-on-one player, but not a complete player by any means. Best player isn't the one that scores the most.
I've literally watched him every single game of his Marquette career. He's not a great defender by any means, but he's at least average for his position. The numbers tell the same story.
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I don't agree with the rest of this post either, but this statement is the most incorrect. While no one is mistaking him for JFB, he has been a solid defender since his sophomore year.
I think Markus is an average defender but his lack of size knocks him down a notch. Way better than Rowsey, way better than Mo Acker too. But IMO a little short of "solid".
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Markus is the league leader in ole' defense. Watch him next game. Again, amazing offensive talent and a great one-on-one player, but not a complete player by any means. Best player isn't the one that scores the most.
I watch him every game specifically on defense and I have no doubt you are wrong. He's not Dominic James, but he is an average defender and has become a higher effort defender every year.
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After my last post about Markus, someone posted that I was inaccurate in saying that he took 18 shots. My statement was totally accurate -- look at the box score. 12 shots from the field and 6 from 3 point range. That totals 18. He said Markus was 4 of 6,not 2 of 4 free throws. Correct, I read it wrong. Immaterial.My point was that he had many chances to score and missed many more than usual. His bad night was a factor in the loss. It happens,
OMG
I know the board frowns on name calling but this warrants the exception...what an idiot!!
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OMG
I know the board frowns on name calling but this warrants the exception...what an idiot!!
He misunderstands how to read the box score. He is not an idiot.
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The original poster said the Hauser transferred to "better programs" and it was time to move on.
His reply: You're half right, it's time to move on. Half right = half wrong, so wrong on the "better programs". Then he singled out UVA as (also) boring. Whatever.
Lenny. You understood me perfectly. If I were to expand on it, I’d say MSU is a massive garbage dump of a program that puts winning ahead of human beings. Izzo is a great coach but a rotten man and a hypocrite. Virginia, by contrast, is coached by a man who epitomizes class and decency. He runs a tight ship and demands that his players be solid citizens. That said, the style of hoops he favors (inherited from his equally decent and classy father Dick) does not lend itself to either recruiting or watching. Would I trade our program and it’s trajectory with theirs, even if it meant uVA would win another title in the next 5 years and we would only reach a couple SweetSixteens?
No, I would not. And I wouldn’t trade into MSU if it meant winning 5 straight titles. Just my opinion.
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A couple of thoughts here:
1) Hausershima happened. Get over it. No amount of griping, fussing or wailing and gnashing of teeth will being back the Baby Hauser and his brother. They are gone.
2) For those of you who have seen Shark Tank, take the attitude of Mr. Wonderful when a business owner turns his money down: "You're dead to me."
3) For better or worse, we have the team we have. While I have some concern about the up side of this team and this coach, we work with the hand we have. Let's give these guys the benefit of the doubt and let's hope we win consistently this year. We lost to a good team Sunday in a game we were talented enough to win but a combination of good coaching on the part of our opponent and lack of quickness on our part worked against us.
Again, for those of you still screaming about the Brothers Hauser, GET OVER IT!
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dgies
I am afraid the Hauser departure will be discussed for a long time. Both sides of the aisle feel strongly on the topic and likely will always weigh in. For me, I think it was a very dark day in recent MU ball history, but that is life.
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Goose and Dgies,
If we had a third scoring option on Sunday (Sam), that game has a much different outcome. That is on Wojo for either losing Sam, or not (yet) developing that talent.
Since we can’t do a damned thing about losing Sam, this season is mostly about Wojo developing as a complete coach. He’s clearly got the recruitment piece down. Let’s see if he can grow into a coach who can manage games better and “control” the emotions/chemistry of 18 - 22 year olds. With all the resources available to Wojo at, MU, he’s almost out of excuses. I really, really hope he makes it.
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Real
Yes, Wojo will need to up his game a tad with this group. I do not agree he has recruiting down quite yet, but some positive signs. I am betting the recruiting outweighs the coaching prowess this season.
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Goose and Dgies,
If we had a third scoring option on Sunday (Sam), that game has a much different outcome. That is on Wojo for either losing Sam, or not (yet) developing that talent.
Since we can’t do a damned thing about losing Sam, this season is mostly about Wojo developing as a complete coach. He’s clearly got the recruitment piece down. Let’s see if he can grow into a coach who can manage games better and “control” the emotions/chemistry of 18 - 22 year olds. With all the resources available to Wojo at, MU, he’s almost out of excuses. I really, really hope he makes it.
Brother Real:
While I agree with you on the third and even fourth scoring option, having the Brothers Hauser would not have changed a thing. Our most prolific scorers came from the 3 and 4 positions, which, in a Hausercentric world, would have occupied by the Big Hauser and the Baby Hauser.
We lost because we got almost nothing out of the center position and when Markus was shut down, Koby couldn't step up. Credit the other guys, fix the scoring problems at center and move on.
Again, we have to get over it.
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I watch him every game specifically on defense and I have no doubt you are wrong. He's not Dominic James, but he is an average defender and has become a higher effort defender every year.
Completely agree in M2M, but as part of a 2-3 zone he is absolutely a liability(not his fault, can't teach height). It's just too easy for the top of the key entry pass over Markus and increases the range that the corner men have to cover which makes the corner 3s even "easier".
Along the lines with the OP, the 2nd half of the Maryland game was an interesting coaching dilemma.....MU got back into the game somewhat when they went to 2-3 AND when Markus was on the bench. Naturally you want to get Markus back in there on O during a come back because you assume at some point he will get going. However, he didn't get going at the zone got demonstrably worse once he was in the game. IMO, there is an argument to be made that in that particular game/situation you leave Markus on the bench and see how much more the 2-3 zone and Sacar/Bailey can drive the comeback.
Personally, I think the 2-3 zone is more of a change up mode and less of a permanent solution in that game so I have no issue with putting Markus back in but I also would have gone back to M2M at that point.
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When did the Hausers leave?
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Completely agree in M2M, but as part of a 2-3 zone he is absolutely a liability(not his fault, can't teach height). It's just too easy for the top of the key entry pass over Markus and increases the range that the corner men have to cover which makes the corner 3s even "easier".
That's true. I always laughed when people suggested the answer for the 2017-18 team was to play zone. Going to zone wasn't going to add 5 inches to Rowsey or Howard.
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OMG
I know the board frowns on name calling but this warrants the exception...what an idiot!!
You name call all the time
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How did this make it to 4 pages?
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When did the Hausers leave?
About 7 games before the season ended last year.
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About 7 games before the season ended last year.
Someone needs to write me a letter when these things happen
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Someone needs to write me a letter when these things happen
It was written, we were just waiting for all scoopers to sign it. Cheeks and Lenny wouldn't agree on the wording.
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It was written, we were just waiting for all scoopers to sign it. Cheeks and Lenny wouldn't agree on the wording.
Cheeks insisted his signature be large enough for you to read it without your glasses and Lenny demanded the letter be unanimous
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Brother Real:
While I agree with you on the third and even fourth scoring option, having the Brothers Hauser would not have changed a thing. Our most prolific scorers came from the 3 and 4 positions, which, in a Hausercentric world, would have occupied by the Big Hauser and the Baby Hauser.
We lost because we got almost nothing out of the center position and when Markus was shut down, Koby couldn't step up. Credit the other guys, fix the scoring problems at center and move on.
Again, we have to get over it.
This. Totally this.
The Pining For Hauser Crew don't seem willing to get over it, though.