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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muguru on November 07, 2019, 11:13:38 AM
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Hall of Fame Tip off @ Mohegan Sun next year
Jon Rothstein
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Sources: Marquette, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and UCF will headline the 2020 Hall-of-Fame Tip Off at Mohegan Sun.
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Yuck
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Yawn
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That'll be nice to give Minnesota fans a chance to watch Dawson Garcia.
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Totally fine. In fact, I prefer the somewhat weaker field.
Next year we have:
Wisconsin
Probably Gavitt game
Big East/Big 12 challenge game
@ UCLA
The schedule should be just fine.
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Also, as the clear marquee team in the field we are virtually assured a campus game. The four aforementioned games, these two, one campus, four others. That's good.
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Will all future Beast/B12 games be in a home and home series format, or did they just jump on that this year because we already had the agreement in place with K-State?
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First round games are not normally on TV. Just ESPN3.
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Will all future Beast/B12 games be in a home and home series format, or did they just jump on that this year because we already had the agreement in place with K-State?
I would think they would not be H/H.
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Hall of Fame Tip off @ Mohegan Sun next year
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Sources: Marquette, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and UCF will headline the 2020 Hall-of-Fame Tip Off at Mohegan Sun.
This will be practically a Rhode Island home game. Fortunately they should be down now that Hurley is gone.
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First round games are not normally on TV. Just ESPN3.
This is what I don't get...why on earth would MU agree to play in a tourney with no TV for the first round(or any round for that matter)??
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This is what I don't get...why on earth would MU agree to play in a tourney with no TV for the first round(or any round for that matter)??
Looks like the defending National Champs did that for this year
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Is this a thanksgiving tournament?
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This is what I don't get...why on earth would MU agree to play in a tourney with no TV for the first round(or any round for that matter)??
Yep, you nail my point. It is a Saturday/Sunday games. Saturday is loaded with college football on the family of ESPN family of networks. Since, Virginia is in it this year, they made ESPN News for their first round game. ESPN3 is all ways the case.
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Is this a thanksgiving tournament?
Weekend before.
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Count me in for this tournament.
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Lame field, but I like to gamble, so may try to make this happen.
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Count me out for this one. No desire to go back to Connecticut anytime soon after last March.
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Marquette will play Rhode Island & Minnesota will play UCF, per Jon Rothstein.
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Marquette will play Rhode Island & Minnesota will play UCF, per Jon Rothstein.
3 awful teams - sick!
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3 awful teams - sick!
We will be playing at UCLA, home against Wisconsin, possibly(?) a Gavitt game, possibly(?) a Big East/Big Twelve challenge game, and 20 Big East games, to go along with neutrals against Rhode Island and UCF or Minnesota. Our schedule has PLENTY of good opportunities on it.
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We will be playing at UCLA, home against Wisconsin, possibly(?) a Gavitt game, possibly(?) a Big East/Big Twelve challenge game, and 20 Big East games, to go along with neutrals against Rhode Island and UCF or Minnesota. Our schedule has PLENTY of good opportunities on it.
Rothstein did a quick preview of UCLA yesterday and if they have everyone back, he said they will be competing for a PAC-12 championship and a high seed in the tourney.
Will be a tough test for sure, as will Madison.
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Next year is fine for a weak tournament.
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Pretty sure URI and Minny are looking at MU the same way.
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Wish we draw Minnesota.
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Marquette will play Rhode Island & Minnesota will play UCF, per Jon Rothstein.
What does Rhody have coming back? They would have been a tourney team this year after a really strong finish.
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Not sure who is returning, but they have the Mitchell twins transferring in (and we could see them if it gets approved that transfers no longer need to sit).
What does Rhody have coming back? They would have been a tourney team this year after a really strong finish.
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What does Rhody have coming back? They would have been a tourney team this year after a really strong finish.
Fatts Russell should be back unless he keeps his name in the draft. Dowtin and Langevine are gone.
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Per Jon Rothstein @ Jon Rothstein
Source: Albany, LIU-Brooklyn, Quinnipiac, and Lehigh will be the four mid-major programs in the 2020 Hall-of-Fame Tip Off Classic at Mohegan Sun.
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Per Jon Rothstein @ Jon Rothstein
Source: Albany, LIU-Brooklyn, Quinnipiac, and Lehigh will be the four mid-major programs in the 2020 Hall-of-Fame Tip Off Classic at Mohegan Sun.
Interesting, makes me wonder if Lehigh is part of the HoF Classic or a separate game.
At a glance, give me Albany & LIU. They return the most (Quinnipiac is decimated by transfers).
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Per Jon Rothstein @ Jon Rothstein
Source: Albany, LIU-Brooklyn, Quinnipiac, and Lehigh will be the four mid-major programs in the 2020 Hall-of-Fame Tip Off Classic at Mohegan Sun.
The estimated T Rank for these teams are:
Albany 235
LIU-Brooklyn 261
Quinnipiac 322
Lehigh 303
Assuming Lehigh game is part of the tournament. Best option would be to also get Albany.
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Wish we draw Minnesota.
If MU and Minny take care of business first game in Conn, we should, right?
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If MU and Minny take care of business first game in Conn, we should, right?
I'm sure their hope is for Marquette/Minnesota in the final.
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I like Quinnipiac solely for the local angle.
They are coached by Baker Dunleavy son of Mike Dunleavy.
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Wonder if MU will be in on this??
Jon Rothstein
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Sources: Certain power conference programs in college basketball are considering being bought by other power conference programs in guarantee games due to coronavirus. Budget issues are everywhere.
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Bring it on!!
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Wonder if MU will be in on this??
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Sources: Certain power conference programs in college basketball are considering being bought by other power conference programs in guarantee games due to coronavirus. Budget issues are everywhere.
I have no idea what this means??
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I have no idea what this means??
I think it’s saying we will see buy games between power conference teams, instead of a power conference team buying a home game with a mid-major.
Probably means some power conference teams are really struggling financially, and would rather take a cash payment than a home game.
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I think it’s saying we will see buy games between power conference teams, instead of a power conference team buying a home game with a mid-major.
Probably means some power conference teams are really struggling financially, and would rather take a cash payment than a home game.
This is exactly what it means. Just as an example...this would be like North Carolina "buying" a game against MU @ North Carolina.
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I have no facts or inside information to verify or support this... but wouldn't there be a scenario where the non-conf portion of the schedule is just cancelled? Many of the teams in buy games fly commercial and if travel is not sorted out by then I could see some serious difficulties.
The "haves" (charter flights, full time team doctors, etc) would certainly have an even greater advantage over the "have not's to the point where the have not's might just decide to stay home.
Only a theory...
Or, does MU need to get a donor to charter a plane to bring in South Eastern Appalachian Christian College for a 102-37 rout in a building with no fans and coverage only on Fox Sports North West Milwaukee Suburbs?
There's a point where this just isn't logical.
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I have no facts or inside information to verify or support this... but wouldn't there be a scenario where the non-conf portion of the schedule is just cancelled? Many of the teams in buy games fly commercial and if travel is not sorted out by then I could see some serious difficulties.
The "haves" (charter flights, full time team doctors, etc) would certainly have an even greater advantage over the "have not's to the point where the have not's might just decide to stay home.
Only a theory...
Or, does MU need to get a donor to charter a plane to bring in South Eastern Appalachian Christian College for a 102-37 rout in a building with no fans and coverage only on Fox Sports North West Milwaukee Suburbs?
There's a point where this just isn't logical.
We're close enough to regional teams that we could get Chicago st, UWM, UWGB, Northern, UIC etc to fill out the schedule. And I'm sure that's the case for many other schools
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I have a lot of questions about how time sensitive contracts in general will be handled. Might they just push some series back a year? If UCLA can't have fans, would MU and UCLA consider just pushing the contract for 2021 & 2022 instead? Could we see the same with large scale events like the Gavitt Games or Big 12 Challenge?
If that trend were to start, would Marquette maybe look at pushing the Fiserv contract out a year and playing at the Al for a season? Or staying at the Fiserv but asking for a reduced rate if they can't put 15,000 in the seats?
But if they can't, how do you pay staff, security, vendors, it's all such a potential mess.
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I have a lot of questions about how time sensitive contracts in general will be handled. Might they just push some series back a year? If UCLA can't have fans, would MU and UCLA consider just pushing the contract for 2021 & 2022 instead? Could we see the same with large scale events like the Gavitt Games or Big 12 Challenge?
If that trend were to start, would Marquette maybe look at pushing the Fiserv contract out a year and playing at the Al for a season? Or staying at the Fiserv but asking for a reduced rate if they can't put 15,000 in the seats?
But if they can't, how do you pay staff, security, vendors, it's all such a potential mess.
The AL makes a ton of sense if there's no fans.
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Even if they can't defer the Fiserv contract for a year, they should play at the Al if there are no fans allowed.
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Even if they can't defer the Fiserv contract for a year, they should play at the Al if there are no fans allowed.
They should play at the Old Gym if no fans are allowed. Or that park in NY where they learned how to wear white t-shirts.
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They should play at the Old Gym if no fans are allowed. Or that park in NY where they learned how to wear white t-shirts.
Why go out to NYC? They should just play at the Rec Center
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They should play at Hart Park or Washington Park.
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They should play at Hart Park or Washington Park.
Does Hart Park even have basketball hoops? I know there's a football field/track, sand volleyball courts, tennis courts, softball field, playgrounds, and an ice rink/curling. But where are the basketball courts/hoops?
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They should play at Hart Park or Washington Park.
If they play like crap again, no doubt they will!
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Why go out to NYC? They should just play at the Rec Center
I'm worried those nets between courts would somehow cause a Jimmy John's boot situation for our leading scorer.
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According to Rothstein, Marquette will be hosting Oklahoma St next year in the Big East / Big 12 Battle.
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News has been out for almost 10 minutes. Where's Brew or TAMU to tell me what to think about OK St.?
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So who all do we have on the schedule for next year?
UCLA
Rhode Island
Minnesota/UCF
OK State
Wisconsin
Potential BE/B10 matchup
Lehigh
Likely one of Albany, LIU-Brooklyn or Quinnipiac (Tournamnent home game)
Who am I missing that has already been decided? Should be three other games.
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News has been out for almost 10 minutes. Where's Brew or TAMU to tell me what to think about OK St.?
LOL saw this right before making some curbside errand runs.
At a glance, I think Torvik having them at 32 is too high. They lose 4 seniors that started significant games. They do have two starters returning in Likekele and Anei, but neither are particularly high efficiency guys. Cade Cunningham is awesome & gives them a massive talent boost, but this seems like a team that will take time to put it together. That was also the case last year when they started 0-6 in league but finished winning 6 of their last 8 (7-11 overall).
Boynton's teams have been generally mediocre. I feel like average coaches adding a great talent rarely ends in great success. Romar with Fultz, Jones with Simmons, Rice with Bennett, etc. Could maybe throw Crean & Edwards in too.
This is taking a 5 minute glance, but my immediate thought is bubble team that will hope to be much better in February than they are before the New Year.
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News has been out for almost 10 minutes. Where's Brew or TAMU to tell me what to think about OK St.?
Personally think they will end up looking like LSU did with Ben Simmons. A mess surrounding a future NBA player.
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I have no facts or inside information to verify or support this... but wouldn't there be a scenario where the non-conf portion of the schedule is just cancelled? Many of the teams in buy games fly commercial and if travel is not sorted out by then I could see some serious difficulties.
The "haves" (charter flights, full time team doctors, etc) would certainly have an even greater advantage over the "have not's to the point where the have not's might just decide to stay home.
Only a theory...
There's a point where this just isn't logical.
I have somewhat of the opposite theory. I doubt anyone would like this theory, but I think the NCAA should cancel the conference season. Limit all schedules with home and homes to teams within your designated area made up of 15 teams. Assuming a 30 game schedule, MU could have a home and home with 15 of these 17 teams: Wisconsin UW Green Bay, Milwaukee, Minnesota, DePaul, Illinois, Northwestern, Chicago St., Northern Illinois, Eastern Illinois, Illinois Chicago, Illinois St, Western Illinois, Loyola Drake, Iowa St. Iowa, Northern Iowa. It would be like a one season conference. Every game would be within a bus ride and many could be played without having to stay in a hotel. This would cut down on costs. Possibly less risk of getting Covid. You would not pay schools for coming to your place and vice versa.
Then you could , if the virus is not an issue, have the normal conference tournaments. By this I mean MU would play in the Big East tournament and Wisconsin would play in the Big Ten tournament. The seeding would be based on the power rankings of each team.
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F Loyola Drake. Hate those guys.
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F Loyola Drake. Hate those guys.
Canadian who raps in Latin?
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Jon Rothstein
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Source: The NCAA has approved a 28-game schedule with a 3-game MTE and a 29-game schedule with a 2-game MTE.
Significant news in the college basketball scheduling world.
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Jon Rothstein
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Source: The NCAA has approved a 28-game schedule with a 3-game MTE and a 29-game schedule with a 2-game MTE.
Significant news in the college basketball scheduling world.
Oh wow. That is big. Should never have to worry about a 30-game season again.
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Why go out to NYC? They should just play at the Rec Center
I heard men's varsity basketball was banned from the Rec Center. I could be wrong.
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Jon Rothstein
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Source: The NCAA has approved a 28-game schedule with a 3-game MTE and a 29-game schedule with a 2-game MTE.
Significant news in the college basketball scheduling world.
MTE?
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MTE?
Multiple Team Event. The early season tournaments.
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Multiple Team Event. The early season tournaments.
Thanks
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Good, hopefully that means Marquette will actually play a full schedule for the first time in a while.
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Good, hopefully that means Marquette will actually play a full schedule for the first time in a while.
This is huge for Marquette. Between Fiserv scheduling & MTEs not offering campus games, getting to 31 has been a struggle the past 5 years. They had to get a waiver in 2018-19 to play the 31st game and Howard's career was effectively cut an additional 3 games short because of 30-game schedules in 3/4 years.
We have some fairly uncommon challenges and this will make scheduling much easier for Broeker and company.
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Is this new shorter schedule a 1-season concession to the coronavirus, or is it permanent?
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Is this new shorter schedule a 1-season concession to the coronavirus, or is it permanent?
I don't believe it's shorter. It just enables every team to get 31 games if they want.
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I don't believe it's shorter. It just enables every team to get 31 games if they want.
Ah ... I see that now ... not sure why I read it differently before. Thanks for the info.
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Is this new shorter schedule a 1-season concession to the coronavirus, or is it permanent?
As noted, same length. I go into a little more detail here: https://twitter.com/brewcity1977/status/1253880472528134144?s=21
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This is huge for Marquette. Between Fiserv scheduling & MTEs not offering campus games, getting to 31 has been a struggle the past 5 years. They had to get a waiver in 2018-19 to play the 31st game and Howard's career was effectively cut an additional 3 games short because of 30-game schedules in 3/4 years.
We have some fairly uncommon challenges and this will make scheduling much easier for Broeker and company.
Glad to hear it. Burning noncon games (even if it was because the Nov tourney didn’t give a campus game) has been an annoyance of mine in recent years. Hope Broeker is now able to get 31 regular season games on the schedule annually moving forward.
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Glad to hear it. Burning noncon games (even if it was because the Nov tourney didn’t give a campus game) has been an annoyance of mine in recent years. Hope Broeker is now able to get 31 regular season games on the schedule annually moving forward.
This, Exactly. I’ve been super annoyed about this as well, but I guess I didn’t fully understand why we only scheduled 30. Thanks Brew for the tweets outlining and clarifying everything.
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Jon Rothstein
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Source: Marquette will host Albany as part of its 20-21 non-conference schedule.
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Jon Rothstein
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Source: Marquette will host Albany as part of its 20-21 non-conference schedule.
Bart Torvik puts them at 238 next season. Not bad, not stellar buy game
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Bart Torvik puts them at 238 next season. Not bad, not stellar buy game
Probably on campus game for our tourney. Albany (and Lehigh) we’re both on the list of 4 campus game teams.
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Jon Rothstein
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Source: Marquette will host Albany as part of its 20-21 non-conference schedule.
Albany and Lehigh are our Hall of Fame Classic campus games.
https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2019/11/27/20985709/2020-21-college-basketball-early-season-tournaments-mte-thanksgiving-holiday-tournaments
So what we know:
- Lehigh (HoF Campus Game)
- Albany (HoF Campus Game)
- Rhode Island (HoF Tip-Off)
- UCF/Minnesota (HoF Tip-Off)
- UW-Madison
- Oklahoma State (B12 Challenge)
- at UCLA
I think we will get a road Gavitt Game and 3 guarantee games. Hopefully at least one that's a Q2 or Q3. Also, with Lehigh and Albany confirmed, that means a full 31-game schedule whether the new rule goes through this year or next.
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Per Corey Evans Daishen Nix will forgo UCLA to join the G League. But security blanket Tyger Campbell should keep the Bruins afloat.
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Jon Rothstein
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Sources: Several power conference programs are putting stipulations in guarantee games for next season that if no fans are in attendance, the mid-major school will only receive travel costs and not the normal guarantee. Another effect of the coronavirus.
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Let's be realistic, there will be no more college games played during the Fall 2020 Semester. Not in football, basketball, or any other sport. The absolute earliest we'll see games is December after finals. It's far more likely we won't see any games played until 2021.
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Let's be realistic, there will be no more college games played during the Fall 2020 Semester. Not in football, basketball, or any other sport. The absolute earliest we'll see games is December after finals. It's far more likely we won't see any games played until 2021.
I agree...But I am more optimistic now than I was a couple of weeks ago.
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Let's be realistic, there will be no more college games played during the Fall 2020 Semester. Not in football, basketball, or any other sport. The absolute earliest we'll see games is December after finals. It's far more likely we won't see any games played until 2021.
Umm wrong
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Umm wrong
It's an opinion. But hardly "wrong" at this point.
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I think he's right. There will be pro sports in 2020 but no college until 2021.
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Im not sure. Texas is ending the shelter in place tomorrow. As of now, my employer (TAMU) is planning on resuming normal business operations in two weeks and planning on students returning in Fall semester. Things could certainly change but im optimistic
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Umm wrong
If even one governor issues an order for state universities to stay closed in Fall, all sports are dead. Imagine Evers issuing such an order. If it isn't safe enough for students to be in classes, it isn't safe enough for student-athletes to compete in sports that require direct physical contact. There is absolutely zero chance of any sports being played for a school that isn't allowing in-person classes.
Then think about the domino effect. If Marquette, UW-Madison, UW-Green Bay, and UW-Milwaukee are all suspending play, that will lead to their leagues suspending play. The Big East and Big 10 can't play their conference schedules starting in November or December if two members aren't going to be involved. And they aren't going to have everyone else playing non-con games without some of their members. So now you have three leagues that will be completely out of the NCAA structure.
Further dominos...those teams all have contracts in place for non-con games. It would throw all the conferences they are engaged to play out of whack. The Big 12 and ACC both have challenge series in place. How do they go forward while losing those games? Then there are all the non-con tournies, guarantee games, and home-and-homes. All of those would go away and it would have a disparate effect on numerous leagues around the country. Just based on what we know of Marquette, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, MAAC, Patriot, A-10, and American would be immediately affected.
But it's not just Wisconsin. Consider that all of the following areas have either Democrat executives or proactive Republicans and if just one of them shut down on-campus activities for Fall 2020 it would put an end to the athletic events of at least three leagues: California, Colorado, Illnois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia, Washington, Washington DC, and Wisconsin.
The reality is that there will not be college sports without a vaccine. The earliest we could see a vaccine, the absolute earliest if all goes perfectly, is September, by which time universities will have already suspended Fall semesters. College football in 2020 is done. College basketball in 2020 is done. Not only that, but by pushing those revenue sports down the road, we will almost certainly see more schools go the route of Cincinnati. The Bearcats disbanding their soccer program was a trial balloon, there will be more that follow. I would be surprised if the NCAA 7/7 sports requirement was still in place 6 months from now. There will be lost jobs, scholarships, programs, and possibly even entire sports.
This isn't alarmism, it's realism. It's logically thinking through what it will take to get college sports up and running again. And the answer is a vaccine and open campuses. As we won't have both of those things until the Spring 2021 semester, we won't see college sports until January 2021. That's why we are seeing articles where executives from universities talk about suspending the Fall semester now. It's just like NIL. 7 months ago, the NCAA was threatening to kick schools from California and Florida out of the NCAA, today they are pushing a NIL plan through. Today, they are saying they will continue publicly while quietly sending out the indicators there won't be a Fall semester. Be realistic. College sports in 2020 are over.
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Im not sure. Texas is ending the shelter in place tomorrow. As of now, my employer (TAMU) is planning on resuming normal business operations in two weeks and planning on students returning in Fall semester. Things could certainly change but im optimistic
But the most liberal states in ending measures aren't what matters, the most conservative ones are. All it takes is one governor keeping universities closed through the end of the year and it will stop all college sports. No state or collection of states will try to set up a new collegiate league when they can just push the schedule back 6 months. It would take longer than that just to get something new off the ground.
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But the most liberal states in ending measures aren't what matters, the most conservative ones are. All it takes is one governor keeping universities closed through the end of the year and it will stop all college sports. No state or collection of states will try to set up a new collegiate league when they can just push the schedule back 6 months. It would take longer than that just to get something new off the ground.
My point wasn't so much that "well Texas is opening up so everything is going to be okay." But more that even a week ago the governor was expected to extend the shelter in place order for another month. The trend lately seems to be positive. I also think there may be another domino effect of sorts. If states like Texas open up and are "fine", citizens of other states may start to get antsy and I could see that swaying the currently COVID conservative states to a different frame of mind.
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I think colleges and universities, both public and private, are going to do everything they can conceibably do to have students on campus for at least the Spring semester if not both. Simply put, the economic ramifications are way too enormous otherwise.
Put it this way. All the building that has taken place on public campuses is paid for with bonds. Bonds on athletic facilities paid by student fees. Bonds on residence halls paid for by room and board payments. Bonds on academic buildings paid by tution. You know who the backstop is if the public university can't pay those bonds? Or if they can't collect on student activity fees? The state budgets - which are already a mess. I think you will have D1 football AND basketball in the Spring. But I feel better about football in the fall now than I did before.
I have seen many more positive conversations about what having students back will look like. Schools are going to adapt - they are already adapting.
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When do the gavitt games normally get announced?
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When do the gavitt games normally get announced?
Last year it was at the end of May.
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When do the gavitt games normally get announced?
Mid to late May.
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But the most liberal states in ending measures aren't what matters, the most conservative ones are. All it takes is one governor keeping universities closed through the end of the year and it will stop all college sports. No state or collection of states will try to set up a new collegiate league when they can just push the schedule back 6 months. It would take longer than that just to get something new off the ground.
I could see the SEC playing a conference only schedule while other campuses around the country are closed.
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I could see the SEC playing a conference only schedule while other campuses around the country are closed.
I could see them considering it, but they might have to do it without Kentucky or LSU. Even if they did, I don't think college football can go forward without full stands. The revenue is too important. If the option is "lose out on $25M in stadium revenue or start your season 6 months later" I think everyone is taking the latter.
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I could see sports continuing even if the Universities are closed. However, I am not sure what happens when the first player is diagnose with the virus. My gut feeling we will start out having football games, but the season will end up being cancelled. Look how quickly everything closed down when the Utah NBA player got diagnosed.
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I could see sports continuing even if the Universities are closed.
That will not happen.
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Next year is fine for a weak tournament.
why? Beating inferior opponents (wins being assumed) helps how, exactly?
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why? Beating inferior opponents (wins being assumed) helps how, exactly?
Because we have a completely new team and already have a challenging noncon slate and go to 20 game league schedule. Marquette’s schedule will be fine playing URI and Minnesota as their tournament games.
That being said - I still find that tournament kinda disappointing.
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Good news today in Florida. Our governor has started the process of reopening. Our restaurants are opening and our restrictions will be relaxed.
To Governor DeSantis' credit, it's data driven and he proved Florida's problem weren't what the nay sayers said. We're actually in good shape down here. His executive relaxing of restrictions excluded Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties for the moment but even those should be caught up soon.
He was talking baseball in late June here in Florida, with spectators.
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Good news today in Florida. Our governor has started the process of reopening. Our restaurants are opening and our restrictions will be relaxed.
To Governor DeSantis' credit, it's data driven and he proved Florida's problem weren't what the nay sayers said. We're actually in good shape down here. His executive relaxing of restrictions excluded Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties for the moment but even those should be caught up soon.
He was talking baseball in late June here in Florida, with spectators.
good for FLA. DeSantis is solid.
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DeSantis kept the beaches open for Spring Break, exponentially increasing the spread to communities across the country, was slow to close and quick to open, and is suppressing Medical Examiners from releasing accurate COVID death tolls (https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/29/florida-medical-examiners-were-releasing-coronavirus-death-data-the-state-made-them-stop/).
I guess you're in great shape if the government doesn't acknowledge all the deaths. :o
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If even one governor issues an order for state universities to stay closed in Fall, all sports are dead. Imagine Evers issuing such an order. If it isn't safe enough for students to be in classes, it isn't safe enough for student-athletes to compete in sports that require direct physical contact. There is absolutely zero chance of any sports being played for a school that isn't allowing in-person classes.
Then think about the domino effect. If Marquette, UW-Madison, UW-Green Bay, and UW-Milwaukee are all suspending play, that will lead to their leagues suspending play. The Big East and Big 10 can't play their conference schedules starting in November or December if two members aren't going to be involved. And they aren't going to have everyone else playing non-con games without some of their members. So now you have three leagues that will be completely out of the NCAA structure.
Further dominos...those teams all have contracts in place for non-con games. It would throw all the conferences they are engaged to play out of whack. The Big 12 and ACC both have challenge series in place. How do they go forward while losing those games? Then there are all the non-con tournies, guarantee games, and home-and-homes. All of those would go away and it would have a disparate effect on numerous leagues around the country. Just based on what we know of Marquette, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, MAAC, Patriot, A-10, and American would be immediately affected.
But it's not just Wisconsin. Consider that all of the following areas have either Democrat executives or proactive Republicans and if just one of them shut down on-campus activities for Fall 2020 it would put an end to the athletic events of at least three leagues: California, Colorado, Illnois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia, Washington, Washington DC, and Wisconsin.
The reality is that there will not be college sports without a vaccine. The earliest we could see a vaccine, the absolute earliest if all goes perfectly, is September, by which time universities will have already suspended Fall semesters. College football in 2020 is done. College basketball in 2020 is done. Not only that, but by pushing those revenue sports down the road, we will almost certainly see more schools go the route of Cincinnati. The Bearcats disbanding their soccer program was a trial balloon, there will be more that follow. I would be surprised if the NCAA 7/7 sports requirement was still in place 6 months from now. There will be lost jobs, scholarships, programs, and possibly even entire sports.
This isn't alarmism, it's realism. It's logically thinking through what it will take to get college sports up and running again. And the answer is a vaccine and open campuses. As we won't have both of those things until the Spring 2021 semester, we won't see college sports until January 2021. That's why we are seeing articles where executives from universities talk about suspending the Fall semester now. It's just like NIL. 7 months ago, the NCAA was threatening to kick schools from California and Florida out of the NCAA, today they are pushing a NIL plan through. Today, they are saying they will continue publicly while quietly sending out the indicators there won't be a Fall semester. Be realistic. College sports in 2020 are over.
I understand your points Brew, but I think a lot of this is your realism and you fail to consider anything other than a vaccine. For instance, it was just announced tonight that Remdesivir showed some very positive results as a treatment in shortening recovery time. Dr Fauci said that as this result is encouraging enough, but it shows that a drug can be effective against this virus. So there is likely going to be further progress with other drugs as an effective treatment.
We are 6 months before practice can start for college basketball. That is a long time and we are likely to gain a ton of traction on how to handle this virus. This will take pressure off of our hospital systems and shorten stays for the critically ill.
I believe that come fall, our outlook will be totally different than one months ago.
As you stated, 7 months ago no one thought the NIL would come tor fruition via the NCAA. Well, I believe that in 6 months we will be looking back and saying that no one thought that 7 months ago we would be playing college basketball.
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I understand your points Brew, but I think a lot of this is your realism and you fail to consider anything other than a vaccine. For instance, it was just announced tonight that Remdesivir showed some very positive results as a treatment in shortening recovery time. Dr Fauci said that as this result is encouraging enough, but it shows that a drug can be effective against this virus. So there is likely going to be further progress with other drugs as an effective treatment.
I'm not counting on miracle cures because they are just that. Miracles. There has been a big push to believe in miracle cures from hydroxychloroquine to disinfectant to sunlight to Remdesivir but the only real answer is a vaccine because even if we find a miracle cure, that's an after the fact solution, which means an exponential number of new cases created before that patient begins treatment.
The reason we use an extreme tool like social distancing is to buy time. Time to increase testing, time to expand hospital beds, time to find a vaccine, time to slowly build herd immunity. I simply don't believe we've bought enough time to have all D1 campuses back to full live classes by Fall.
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I'm not counting on miracle cures because they are just that. Miracles. There has been a big push to believe in miracle cures from hydroxychloroquine to disinfectant to sunlight to Remdesivir but the only real answer is a vaccine because even if we find a miracle cure, that's an after the fact solution, which means an exponential number of new cases created before that patient begins treatment.
The reason we use an extreme tool like social distancing is to buy time. Time to increase testing, time to expand hospital beds, time to find a vaccine, time to slowly build herd immunity. I simply don't believe we've bought enough time to have all D1 campuses back to full live classes by Fall.
These aren't miracles. They are solutions based on medicine and science. And they work. If you can give someone medicine that treats the illness, shortens the length of severity of that illness and lessens the chance of dying, that is a good thing. It's a solution. It's not a "miracle cure" as you state.
We don't have a cure for the flu. There is no vaccine for the flu. We take shots to hope stave it off or lessen its affects, but there is no vaccine. So we take appropriate measures, if and when we get sick we treat it with medicine and rest. We have bought some time and are buying more time with social distancing etc and we are learning more and more every day on how to treat this. For instance - remember all the worries about having enough ventilators? It is now understood that Vents are not necessarily the best treatment for Covid patients. Armed with info like this and other factors, come the fall hospitals will have protocols in place to better treatments for patients who come in, if in fact there is a huge uptick in cases.
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Nothing has been tested broadly enough to say it definitively works. Right now the solutions are anecdotal. And the flu shot is a vaccine. It has varying success rates because it is designed to be predictive and combines different strains, but injecting disease cells into the body to encourage antibody growth is exactly what vaccination is.
Regardless, testing of any medication will minimally take months of trials. You need to learn how it impacts follow up care, if there are after-effects or reinfection, every "promising drug" or is at this point still a long way from being useful on a broad scale. And even if in 6 months one of these treatments has the efficacy & long-term success rates, then production needs to be ramped up & hope for no disease mutation.
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Nothing has been tested broadly enough to say it definitively works. Right now the solutions are anecdotal. And the flu shot is a vaccine. It has varying success rates because it is designed to be predictive and combines different strains, but injecting disease cells into the body to encourage antibody growth is exactly what vaccination is.
Regardless, testing of any medication will minimally take months of trials. You need to learn how it impacts follow up care, if there are after-effects or reinfection, every "promising drug" or is at this point still a long way from being useful on a broad scale. And even if in 6 months one of these treatments has the efficacy & long-term success rates, then production needs to be ramped up & hope for no disease mutation.
And that is why it is encouraging that a current drug is showing promise. You can choose to call it anecdotal, but it is more than that. So if a current drug does in fact work, yes, after more trials and investigation, it is already in production and can ramp up further and be more readily available at a much quicker pace than something not yet discovered.
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You can choose to call it anecdotal, but it is more than that.
No, it's not. Words don't lose their meaning because it gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling.
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Not sure why -- maybe my silly optimism -- but I think we will have a 2020-21 college basketball season.
And I'm looking forward to both the 20-game round-robin and our great NC schedule. Can't wait to see Garcia, Carton and the rest of the guys play hoops.
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Not sure why -- maybe my silly optimism -- but I think we will have a 2020-21 college basketball season.
And I'm looking forward to both the 20-game round-robin and our great NC schedule. Can't wait to see Garcia, Carton and the rest of the guys play hoops.
I think we'll have a season. It just won't start until next year, alongside college football. The schools can't afford to lose the revenue.
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I think we'll have a season. It just won't start until next year, alongside college football. The schools can't afford to lose the revenue.
I think we'll start in November. I base that on nothing but optimism ... and I hope I'm right!
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Kudos to Brew and Irwin for their well reasoned comments. Both have very valid points. My take is that at some point the usual wise cautions against rushing meds to market without proper, scientifically controlled studies will be largely set aside. My reasoning is that social distancing at some point needs to end because our economy simply cannot survive indefinitely with people staying at home and the government cannot continue to send money indefinitely. Yes, I know that will most likely result in loss of lives and I am NOT saying "well, too bad, let's move on." I just think that is what is going to happen- taking risks on meds and hoping for the best. I'm not necessarily endorsing that route.
Will basketball return in November? Like 82, I'm guessing yes, although this is probably wishful thinking. Maybe only 10 people will be allowed on the court at one time and the refs will have to run up and down the aisles in the stands. If Breeding is still reffing, remember to trip him.
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When it starts will be interesting ... BUTTTTT as I understand it, the Fiserv is still debating about seating. They actually might remove seat and/or rows... But whats really interesting, there won't be any beverages served via the tapper ! ! ! Yep, no tap beer, your Coke neither... Food will prob be ordered from a kiosk or mobile app... Pick it up somewhere down the hall... Booze drinks will use those little airplane bottles.... AND expect prices to go UP ! ! ! 8-)
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Good read on the non conference scheduling legislation that passed today(that was mentioned here a week or so ago). This describes it in more detail as to what it means.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2020-04-30/new-college-basketball-rules-allow-flexibility-non-conference-scheduling
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I understand your points Brew, but I think a lot of this is your realism and you fail to consider anything other than a vaccine. For instance, it was just announced tonight that Remdesivir showed some very positive results as a treatment in shortening recovery time. Dr Fauci said that as this result is encouraging enough, but it shows that a drug can be effective against this virus. So there is likely going to be further progress with other drugs as an effective treatment.
We are 6 months before practice can start for college basketball. That is a long time and we are likely to gain a ton of traction on how to handle this virus. This will take pressure off of our hospital systems and shorten stays for the critically ill.
I believe that come fall, our outlook will be totally different than one months ago.
As you stated, 7 months ago no one thought the NIL would come tor fruition via the NCAA. Well, I believe that in 6 months we will be looking back and saying that no one thought that 7 months ago we would be playing college basketball.
Remdesivir has proven to be a good last resort medication that lowers the disease effects by 4 days but not a real treatment nor something that will prevent disease from spreading. Need a vaccine or a medication that can cure the disease.
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Remdesivir has proven to be a good last resort medication that lowers the disease effects by 4 days but not a real treatment nor something that will prevent disease from spreading. Need a vaccine or a medication that can cure the disease.
Well said. There has been small trials and the reduced death rate of about 30% may not even be statistically meaningful. But let's say that it does help with recovery and that it helps reduce the death rate by 30% - if you are one of ten that would have died, now only 7 of you will have died if treated. Not odds that make me feel good about wanting to sit in a stadium with thousands of people, some of which will definitely be ill and be shedding the virus knowingly or not. Maybe with a lot of testing and early intervention, the results will be better - let's hope so. But there are so many unknowns with this virus and why it results in various other health issues. The longer you can wait to get sick, the better off you will be, as treatments start to fit the known risks.
I'd add that any vaccine that comes out in the fall or early winter will have supply constraints, not be fully vetted, and have potential unknown risks. I also assume it will be first made available for health are workers, EMT, older people, etc. There is a reason that a lot of potential vaccines get shelved, don't work, or are too dangerous (something like 93% failure rate, I believe?).
I do think there will be a vaccine of some sort by the fall, if for no other reasons because it will be deemed politically expedient the USA and many other countries to claim victory and that all will be normal soon. The question will be if one wants to risk taking it without full long term studies, and it won't be available for most people even with a world focused on ramping up production. At least not with conventional methods - and if the methods of production are not conventional, there is then added risks. Plus, the question will be the effectiveness and for how long - that will not be known for at least a year and probably much longer. A vaccine that is 50% effective would really help, but not put me in an arena with 10K people. If you get to 70%, now you're talking as long as almost everyone gets vaccinated.. that will take time and there will be many holdouts - hopefully our politicians and celebrities that don't believe in vaccines/science will keep their mouths shut.
With a high transmission rate for this virus, a few basketball games in a row and all of a sudden you have a lot of infections amongst the fans - a couple of hundred infected people (2% of a 10K crowd) infect a few more people - at the next game those people infect a few more... Social distancing measures, masks, etc, in a stadium may help reduce the spread, but it is still going to spread... I would not want to be the person who has allergies or needs to sneeze in that place, with or without a mask. I would not want to be near the guy yelling non-stop. It would be a very different fan experience and I can't say any better than being at home - which is normally not the case.
Anyway, I for one will very likely forgo season tickets this year for the first time since the late 80s. I am hoping that MU allows us to do so and not lose points for consecutive seasons. For some of us that are a bit older, it just isn't worth the risk - and for those of us who come in contact with or have household members at high risk - attending a game cannot be morally or ethically justified - the trade off of potential serious harm to another to watch a game is something that is not in my wheel house and that I cannot justify. Even in a low risk transmission, due to the extent of the risk, I cannot justify it.
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Well said. There has been small trials and the reduced death rate of about 30% may not even be statistically meaningful. But let's say that it does help with recovery and that it helps reduce the death rate by 30% - if you are one of ten that would have died, now only 7 of you will have died if treated. Not odds that make me feel good about wanting to sit in a stadium with thousands of people, some of which will definitely be ill and be shedding the virus knowingly or not. Maybe with a lot of testing and early intervention, the results will be better - let's hope so. But there are so many unknowns with this virus and why it results in various other health issues. The longer you can wait to get sick, the better off you will be, as treatments start to fit the known risks.
I'd add that any vaccine that comes out in the fall or early winter will have supply constraints, not be fully vetted, and have potential unknown risks. I also assume it will be first made available for health are workers, EMT, older people, etc. There is a reason that a lot of potential vaccines get shelved, don't work, or are too dangerous (something like 93% failure rate, I believe?).
I do think there will be a vaccine of some sort by the fall, if for no other reasons because it will be deemed politically expedient the USA and many other countries to claim victory and that all will be normal soon. The question will be if one wants to risk taking it without full long term studies, and it won't be available for most people even with a world focused on ramping up production. At least not with conventional methods - and if the methods of production are not conventional, there is then added risks. Plus, the question will be the effectiveness and for how long - that will not be known for at least a year and probably much longer. A vaccine that is 50% effective would really help, but not put me in an arena with 10K people. If you get to 70%, now you're talking as long as almost everyone gets vaccinated.. that will take time and there will be many holdouts - hopefully our politicians and celebrities that don't believe in vaccines/science will keep their mouths shut.
With a high transmission rate for this virus, a few basketball games in a row and all of a sudden you have a lot of infections amongst the fans - a couple of hundred infected people (2% of a 10K crowd) infect a few more people - at the next game those people infect a few more... Social distancing measures, masks, etc, in a stadium may help reduce the spread, but it is still going to spread... I would not want to be the person who has allergies or needs to sneeze in that place, with or without a mask. I would not want to be near the guy yelling non-stop. It would be a very different fan experience and I can't say any better than being at home - which is normally not the case.
Anyway, I for one will very likely forgo season tickets this year for the first time since the late 80s. I am hoping that MU allows us to do so and not lose points for consecutive seasons. For some of us that are a bit older, it just isn't worth the risk - and for those of us who come in contact with or have household members at high risk - attending a game cannot be morally or ethically justified - the trade off of potential serious harm to another to watch a game is something that is not in my wheel house and that I cannot justify. Even in a low risk transmission, due to the extent of the risk, I cannot justify it.
Very well said. You ID'd the political component of the decision making and the question of adhering to or waiving aside proper testing, inherently a long range process, I believe is central. My guess is that we will see a lot of winging it regarding meds. There is simply too much pressure to "do something".
I still think we will see basketball in the Fall but as strange as it would be, there may be severe limits on the number of fans (if there are any allowed). Whether at a sporting event (especially one in an enclosed environment vs. a football stadium) or a concert, attendees are at high risk with sitting for 2.5 hours+ right next to someone who may carry the virus. Of course the same basic problem will be present in the classrooms. What will Marquette do?
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Very well said. You ID'd the political component of the decision making and the question of adhering to or waiving aside proper testing, inherently a long range process, I believe is central. My guess is that we will see a lot of winging it regarding meds. There is simply too much pressure to "do something".
I still think we will see basketball in the Fall but as strange as it would be, there may be severe limits on the number of fans (if there are any allowed). Whether at a sporting event (especially one in an enclosed environment vs. a football stadium) or a concert, attendees are at high risk with sitting for 2.5 hours+ right next to someone who may carry the virus. Of course the same basic problem will be present in the classrooms. What will Marquette do?
What weird concerts are you going to where you're sitting for 2+ hrs?
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Still do not understand the "we have to wait until a vaccine is found" argument. On average, 60k die from the regular flu per year; less than half of the US choose to get the flu vaccine knowing that. If we wait until not only a vaccine is found, but also until a majority of the population choose to get it, we will all be dead and buried long after that ever comes to fruition. We certainly aren't going to look at mandatory vaccinations, either - good luck with that one.
The virus is not attacking everyone equally. It is very clear from the present death numbers appear to be more lethal to the elderly and those with comprised immune systems. The numbers for children, young and mid-adults are very promising. With each passing day, the "need" for a national/universal blanket stay at home order becomes less and less vital. We will eventually evolve into targeted stay at-home guidelines (for those that are most at risk); however, even then, if there are those that choose to go outside, knowing the risks, there isn't really anything the government can do to prevent that IMO.
Sports will return later this summer IMO, starting with baseball (definitely starting with no-to-limited fans). ESPN published a story today that without sports this year, the economy will lose over $12 billion. With unemployment approaching 40 million now, state governments will not be able to continue to enforce stay-at-home orders long-term. Everything will have a trickle-down effect (look at what the NBA shutting down did to all sports). Whichever the first league decides to commit to starting things back up, other leagues will follow; the only question will be who it will be.
We will have college basketball this year.
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Still do not understand the "we have to wait until a vaccine is found" argument. On average, 60k die from the regular flu per year; less than half of the US choose to get the flu vaccine knowing that.
Here's why: this isn't the flu. The flu kills 60k because our society has built in herd immunity, a vaccination, and known ways to counteract it once it takes hold. COVID-19 has killed that many in 2 months despite our best efforts to reduce transmission through distancing.
If we open up early, the spread will increase but the deaths will increase even more because the system will be overwhelmed. Hospitals are barely keeping up as is, if the infection rate spikes they will have to simply leave some people to die because they don't have the capacity or capability to deal with the increase.
Right now, COVID is basically up to a 9-11 every two days. It's killed more Americans than Vietnam. And that's with the radical measures we've taken to slow it. Remove those measures, go back to "normal" without a vaccine, and the struggles we've seen so far will be a drop in the bucket.
Once we have a vaccine, herd immunity, and treatments that have been scientifically vetted, then we can go back to something resembling the old normal without fear of losing 300-400k Americans per year, which is the pace we're currently on WITH distancing measures in place, assuming we are already past the peak and the approximate 1,000 deaths per day (64,715 since Feb 29, which was 65 days ago) proves to be the acceptable normal.
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Very well stated, Brew ! ! ! 8-)
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Some things are just stated incorrect on here. Let's move back to schedule info!
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Some things are just stated incorrect on here. Let's move back to schedule info!
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What weird concerts are you going to where you're sitting for 2+ hrs?
Bagpipers. I'm a masochist.
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What weird concerts are you going to where you're sitting for 2+ hrs?
The Who Rolling Stones Guns n' Roses AC/DC all at least 3-4 hours when I saw them
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On average, 60k die from the regular flu per year
First, there is an entire board dedicated to the coronavirus, with numerous threads about numerous subjects. Second, this is just such a strawman argument.
From the CDC site: The CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in 12K to 61K U.S. deaths annually since 2010.
In other words, even on the very high end of that scale -- 61K -- there were fewer deaths in an entire year than there have been from COVID-19 in just about 6 weeks.
There were more than 50K documented coronavirus deaths in America in April alone, and most infectious disease experts think the number of deaths has been significantly underreported.
And all that is despite significant mitigation efforts. Had we treated COVID-19 the way we treat "the regular flu," there almost surely would be several hundred thousand dead by now, and we probably would be headed for well over 1M in a year's time.
So please stop comparing this to "the regular flu," because it's really nothing like it. And please, everybody, let's take this discussion to the COVID-19 board so we can talk about the 2020 schedule.
Oh, and BTW, I also think we will have college basketball this year. On that, we can agree.
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If even one governor issues an order for state universities to stay closed in Fall, all sports are dead. Imagine Evers issuing such an order. If it isn't safe enough for students to be in classes, it isn't safe enough for student-athletes to compete in sports that require direct physical contact. There is absolutely zero chance of any sports being played for a school that isn't allowing in-person classes.
Then think about the domino effect. If Marquette, UW-Madison, UW-Green Bay, and UW-Milwaukee are all suspending play, that will lead to their leagues suspending play. The Big East and Big 10 can't play their conference schedules starting in November or December if two members aren't going to be involved. And they aren't going to have everyone else playing non-con games without some of their members. So now you have three leagues that will be completely out of the NCAA structure.
Further dominos...those teams all have contracts in place for non-con games. It would throw all the conferences they are engaged to play out of whack. The Big 12 and ACC both have challenge series in place. How do they go forward while losing those games? Then there are all the non-con tournies, guarantee games, and home-and-homes. All of those would go away and it would have a disparate effect on numerous leagues around the country. Just based on what we know of Marquette, the Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, MAAC, Patriot, A-10, and American would be immediately affected.
But it's not just Wisconsin. Consider that all of the following areas have either Democrat executives or proactive Republicans and if just one of them shut down on-campus activities for Fall 2020 it would put an end to the athletic events of at least three leagues: California, Colorado, Illnois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia, Washington, Washington DC, and Wisconsin.
The reality is that there will not be college sports without a vaccine. The earliest we could see a vaccine, the absolute earliest if all goes perfectly, is September, by which time universities will have already suspended Fall semesters. College football in 2020 is done. College basketball in 2020 is done. Not only that, but by pushing those revenue sports down the road, we will almost certainly see more schools go the route of Cincinnati. The Bearcats disbanding their soccer program was a trial balloon, there will be more that follow. I would be surprised if the NCAA 7/7 sports requirement was still in place 6 months from now. There will be lost jobs, scholarships, programs, and possibly even entire sports.
This isn't alarmism, it's realism. It's logically thinking through what it will take to get college sports up and running again. And the answer is a vaccine and open campuses. As we won't have both of those things until the Spring 2021 semester, we won't see college sports until January 2021. That's why we are seeing articles where executives from universities talk about suspending the Fall semester now. It's just like NIL. 7 months ago, the NCAA was threatening to kick schools from California and Florida out of the NCAA, today they are pushing a NIL plan through. Today, they are saying they will continue publicly while quietly sending out the indicators there won't be a Fall semester. Be realistic. College sports in 2020 are over.
To hell with trivial chit like sports. This country, as we knew it, is over, aina?
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Bagpipers. I'm a masochist.
Lol well played
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Nice match up for Big East vs ACC
@JonRothstein
Sources: Villanova and Virginia will play a neutral site game next season at Madison Square Garden
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Broeker indicated on twitter that we have a road Gavitt game this year.
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Broeker indicated on twitter that we have a road Gavitt game this year.
Let me guess Purdue?? Smh
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Broeker indicated on twitter that we have a road Gavitt game this year.
Was hoping for @Minnesota this year but unlikely with us being in the same tourney. Bet @NW.
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Was hoping for @Minnesota this year but unlikely with us being in the same tourney. Bet @NW.
Northwestern is who I'm thinking too.
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I was going to guess Northwestern too, but they hosted last year. (Obviously that doesn't mean they can't this year....)
But I'm going @Penn State. Marquette won't get a marquee match up and they haven't hosted since the first year.
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I was going to guess Northwestern too, but they hosted last year. (Obviously that doesn't mean they can't this year....)
But I'm going @Penn State. Marquette won't get a marquee match up and they haven't hosted since the first year.
I think with everything going on BE/B10 will do what they can to reduce travel.
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I think with everything going on BE/B10 will do what they can to reduce travel.
I don't necessarily disagree, but then DePaul playing Northwestern makes more sense. (I know they have played before.) But teams are undoubtedly going to have to travel. There are only about a handful of match ups that could conceivably involve travelling there and back on the same day.
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Penn State was in it the last two years. Larger team pool would suggest a lower chance of them participating 3 years running (only happened twice by my count). I would suggest Illinois based on the fact that they weren't in it last year and geography, but the last two times they've participated it's been in Champaign, so they're due to go on the road. I'll guess Nebraska. Weren't in it last year, most western B14 team going up against one of the two most western Beast teams (aside from CU as they already play).
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Penn State was in it the last two years. Larger team pool would suggest a lower chance of them participating 3 years running (only happened twice by my count). I would suggest Illinois based on the fact that they weren't in it last year and geography, but the last two times they've participated it's been in Champaign, so they're due to go on the road. I'll guess Nebraska. Weren't in it last year, most western B14 team going up against one of the two most western Beast teams (aside from CU as they already play).
@Nebraska would be kind of gross. But schedule is pretty strong as is, so no biggie.
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Penn State was in it the last two years. Larger team pool would suggest a lower chance of them participating 3 years running (only happened twice by my count). I would suggest Illinois based on the fact that they weren't in it last year and geography, but the last two times they've participated it's been in Champaign, so they're due to go on the road. I'll guess Nebraska. Weren't in it last year, most western B14 team going up against one of the two most western Beast teams (aside from CU as they already play).
Good thoughts.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but then DePaul playing Northwestern makes more sense. (I know they have played before.) But teams are undoubtedly going to have to travel. There are only about a handful of match ups that could conceivably involve travelling there and back on the same day.
They’ve had a series going 4 years now and they seem to avoid ongoing series. Not sure if that is still going, but none of their games have been part of Gavitt.
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@Nebraska would be kind of gross. But schedule is pretty strong as is, so no biggie.
I'd dig it. They'll be better than last season but still beatable. Road wins against high major teams do wonders for resumes even if the opponent is bad
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They’ve had a series going 4 years now and they seem to avoid ongoing series. Not sure if that is still going, but none of their games have been part of Gavitt.
Ah yes. You are correct. Poor assumption on my part.
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Not sure we will play this year but UCLA hires Boston College AD Martin Jarmond as AD.
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.@BIGEASTMBB
teams in the Gavitt Games:
Butler
Creighton
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. John’s
Villanova
Xavier
Byes:
DePaul
Seton Hall
UConn (out this year)
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teams in the Gavitt Games:
Butler
Creighton
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. John’s
Villanova
Xavier
Byes:
DePaul
Seton Hall
UConn (out this year)
Cool.
Broeker confirmed we'll have a road Gavitt Game.
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Nice match up for Big East vs ACC
@JonRothstein
Sources: Villanova and Virginia will play a neutral site game next season at Madison Square Garden
I doubt it will be at MSG. Like I said you can't even get a haircut in New Jersey and definitely not in the city. I doubt that they will meet the Governors criteria to open.
https://abc7ny.com/reopen-new-york-ny-nyc-coronavirus/6185348/
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I doubt it will be at MSG. Like I said you can't even get a haircut in New Jersey and definitely not in the city. I doubt that they will meet the Governors criteria to open.
https://abc7ny.com/reopen-new-york-ny-nyc-coronavirus/6185348/
I'm not sure what you or anyone else said about a haircut. Time will tell if the game will be played as reported.
Rothstein is just putting out the info in what Villanova and Virginia signed to play this season.
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Here are the BIG teams slated to participate...
Iowa
Michigan State
Purdue
Rutgers
Indiana
Wisconsin
Maryland
1 other
Obviously we can eliminate UW and Purdue right away as possible opponents..So that leaves @ Rutgers, @ Iowa, @ MSU, @ Indiana, @ Maryland or the "other school".
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My predictions:
Iowa at Creighton
Marquette at Michigan State
Illinois/Nebraska (MISSING TEAM) at Xavier
Providence at Rutgers
Indiana at Georgetown
St. John's at Maryland
Purdue at Villanova
Butler at Wisconsin
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My predictions:
Iowa at Creighton
Marquette at Michigan State
Illinois/Nebraska (MISSING TEAM) at Xavier
Providence at Rutgers
Indiana at Georgetown
St. John's at Maryland
Purdue at Villanova
Butler at Wisconsin
Aren't schools trying to keep travel down? Not sure IU GTown and Purdue Nova fits that.
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The "other" team is now believed to be Illinois
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The "other" team is now believed to be Illinois
@ Illinois sounds about right for MU.
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@ Illinois sounds about right for MU.
That was my thought as well...but I could also see MU/Wojo asking to go to Maryland to give Wojo and Justin Lewis a game back home.
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Obviously we can eliminate UW and Purdue right away as possible opponents..So that leaves @ Rutgers, @ Iowa, @ MSU, @ Indiana, @ Maryland or the "other school".
I'm not sure we can obviously eliminate Purdue. You'd think that try to stay away from repeating games in back to back years, but I don't think it would stop them if it worked best for the schedule. We did play them 2 times in 3 years, practically a tradition!
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At Northwestern would be fine with me. Maybe we can bring Joe Nethan along and see if there are any fights.
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@ Illinois sounds about right for MU.
I could see MSU looking for a guaranteed W from a bigger name rebuilding BE program
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At Northwestern would be fine with me. Maybe we can bring Joe Nethan along and see if there are any fights.
Northwestern is not involved this year..
Iowa
Michigan State
Purdue
Rutgers
Indiana
Wisconsin
Maryland
Illinois
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At Northwestern would be fine with me. Maybe we can bring Joe Nethan along and see if there are any fights.
I recall that game. Engineers always got stuck with Saturday finals and I wasn't flying home until Sunday. Pretty much everyone was gone. One of my McCormick wing-mates parents couldn't go to the game, so they gave him the tickets and I went with him since I was the only one around. Thought it was cool going to one more game before break and was weird without a student section.
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I could see MSU looking for a guaranteed W from a bigger name rebuilding BE program
Of course, there is the Joey Hauser angle as well....
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Of course, there is the Joey Hauser angle as well....
Never heard of him.
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Never heard of herim.
FIFY
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Illinois sounds like a good bet.
Proximity is great for the match up. Illinois lost a lot of key contributors so it would be fair in that sense as well.
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Illinois sounds like a good bet.
Proximity is great for the match up. Illinois lost a lot of key contributors so it would be fair in that sense as well.
I've been looking for an excuse to go to a game at Assembly Hall for a decade. This would finally be it..
...damnit...
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I've been looking for an excuse to go to a game at Assembly Hall for a decade. This would finally be it..
...damnit...
I don’t think MU will be playing at Illinois in Indiana’s arena. You had that chance a season ago.
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How much of a home/away split are the organizers trying to have? The series only runs through 2022, and B14 teams are only guaranteed 4 appearances. Illinois has already had three appearances with 2 at home. Would they really give Illinois a 3-1 home/away split for the event, or would another home game for them this year mean that they'd get a 5th appearance on the road? For reference our road game this year would give us a 3-2 home advantage with at least 1 more appearance. I realize that the numbers probably wont work perfectly for every team, but it would seem to make more sense from a practicality point for Illinois to be on the road and for us to go somewhere like Rutgers (if they were home it'd be 2-2 home/away for them). I would think they'd try to balance it as much as possible because of the increased home revenue, but I may be overthinking this.
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Didn’t we play at Indiana 2018/2019?
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Never heard of him.
I'll write a letter to you, explaining who he is.
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Illinois sounds like a good bet.
Proximity is great for the match up. Illinois lost a lot of key contributors so it would be fair in that sense as well.
Maybe. If Cockburn and Dosunmu come back they’ll be strong. If not, mediocre.
I've been looking for an excuse to go to a game at Assembly Hall for a decade. This would finally be it..
...damnit...
It will always be Assembly Hall to me. I’m not getting paid to call it State Farm Arena.
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I don’t think MU will be playing at Illinois in Indiana’s arena. You had that chance a season ago.
I didn't realize UIUC had sold the naming rights to State Farm. It was always Assembly Hall when I was growing up in Chicagoland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Farm_Center
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Not sure if it has been mentioned but for scheduling heard Olympic Sports will probably be divided within the Big East to East and West. West will be Marquette, XU, DP, BU and CU. For scheduling, games and travel reasons. Not sure if that translates if at all to other sports.
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I didn't realize UIUC had sold the naming rights to State Farm. It was always Assembly Hall when I was growing up in Chicagoland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Farm_Center
Gotcha, I've always thought of Indiana as Assembly Hall.
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I could also see MU/Wojo asking to go to Maryland to give Wojo and Justin Lewis a game back home.
I don't think after last year's debacle that anyone at MU is looking for that.
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I don't think after last year's debacle that anyone at MU is looking for that.
Completely different Maryland team this next year...probably bubble at best
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The UConn Blog (@TheUConnBlog) Tweeted:
Looks like @BIGEASTMBB will be participating in the PAC-12 Coast-to-Coast Challenge in 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons. Eight teams from Big East will play PAC-12 teams in Vegas in 2021 and then same teams would play in NY in 2022. Hopefully #UConn involved H/T @sbjsbd newsletter https://t.co/FSmoi9iT3b
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The UConn Blog (@TheUConnBlog) Tweeted:
Looks like @BIGEASTMBB will be participating in the PAC-12 Coast-to-Coast Challenge in 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons. Eight teams from Big East will play PAC-12 teams in Vegas in 2021 and then same teams would play in NY in 2022. Hopefully #UConn involved H/T @sbjsbd newsletter https://t.co/FSmoi9iT3b
I need to check the years, but does this mean Big East teams will have a challenge with the B1G, B12, and P12, plus holiday tournament games, plus natural rivalry games (MU vs. UW, Nova vs. Philly 5, Butler in Crossroads Classic, etc), plus a 20 game conference season that limits the number of non-conference games? All in the same season? Damn, there are no off nights if you're in the Big East.
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I need to check the years, but does this mean Big East teams will have a challenge with the B1G, B12, and P12, plus holiday tournament games, plus natural rivalry games (MU vs. UW, Nova vs. Philly 5, Butler in Crossroads Classic, etc), plus a 20 game conference season that limits the number of non-conference games? All in the same season? Damn, there are no off nights if you're in the Big East.
I believe that is correct...what I hope this doesn't do however is make MU NOT want to compete in Holiday tournaments now. I hope not, but I guess you never know.
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I need to check the years, but does this mean Big East teams will have a challenge with the B1G, B12, and P12, plus holiday tournament games, plus natural rivalry games (MU vs. UW, Nova vs. Philly 5, Butler in Crossroads Classic, etc), plus a 20 game conference season that limits the number of non-conference games? All in the same season? Damn, there are no off nights if you're in the Big East.
Another PK tournament possibly, hopefully.
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I need to check the years, but does this mean Big East teams will have a challenge with the B1G, B12, and P12, plus holiday tournament games, plus natural rivalry games (MU vs. UW, Nova vs. Philly 5, Butler in Crossroads Classic, etc), plus a 20 game conference season that limits the number of non-conference games? All in the same season? Damn, there are no off nights if you're in the Big East.
I wonder if its just easier for conferences to do this rather than seek out a series of home and home games.
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Not sure if it has been mentioned but for scheduling heard Olympic Sports will probably be divided within the Big East to East and West. West will be Marquette, XU, DP, BU and CU. For scheduling, games and travel reasons. Not sure if that translates if at all to other sports.
What other sports? For college sports purposes, I have always thought that "Olympic Sports" was just shorthand for all sports other than basketball and football...which in the BE context would mean all sports other than basketball. So are you saying that the East/West divide would be for everything except men's and women's hoops?
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What other sports? For college sports purposes, I have always thought that "Olympic Sports" was just shorthand for all sports other than basketball and football...which in the BE context would mean all sports other than basketball. So are you saying that the East/West divide would be for everything except men's and women's hoops?
I think olympic sports is used for sports that are non revenue. IE track and field, wrestling, etc.
Sports like volleyball, ice hockey, lacrosse aren't considered.
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I think olympic sports is used for sports that are non revenue. IE track and field, wrestling, etc.
Sports like volleyball, ice hockey, lacrosse aren't considered.
Lax isn't an Olympic sport anyways though.
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Charleston in 2021...
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1263200755885932546
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Charleston in 2021...
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1263200755885932546
Ew hope WVU is solid and Temple finally finishes rebuilding
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Lax isn't an Olympic sport anyways though.
Apparently, not since 1908. Demonstration sport last in 1948.
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Charleston in 2021...
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1263200755885932546
Unless they add another high major team to this mix, Marquette and West Virginia are likely to be the favorites here. There's no SEC or Pac 12 squads in the current lineup, so maybe one or more could be added.
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Sources: The Big East is expected to play its December conference games in the middle part of the month before Christmas.
Per
Jon Rothstein
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Sources: The Big East is expected to play its December conference games in the middle part of the month before Christmas.
Per
Jon Rothstein
Really dont like, or understand the benefit, of this set up.
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Makes sense with 2 more games which is another week. Usually open New Year's Day. A week earlier makes it Christmas so assume the week before that.
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Really dont like, or understand the benefit, of this set up.
It's just the math of things. Since the reformation of the Big East, we've completed our 11th non-conference game anywhere from December 17th and 22nd. I would guess we will probably play 9 non-con games, have two conference games once everyone completes finals, then have our last two non-con games in the interim. If I were to guess, I'd say probably something like...
Game 1: November 10 (Lehigh?)
Game 2: November 13-15 (Wisconsin?)
Game 3: November 17-18 (Gavitt?)
Game 4: November 21 (Rhode Island)
Game 5: November 22 (Minnesota/UCF)
Game 6: November 28-29 (Albany?)
Game 7: December 1 (Oklahoma State)
Game 8: December 12 (UCLA)
Game 9: December 14-15
Game 10: December 18 (Big East)
Game 11: December 20 (Big East)
Game 12: December 27
Game 13: December 29-30
Game 14: January 2 (Full start of Big East play)
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Makes sense with 2 more games which is another week. Usually open New Year's Day. A week earlier makes it Christmas so assume the week before that.
The alternative is you shove two additional games in after Christmas. That's not really workable anyway. This takes the place of two buy games, so you schedule them when you schedule the buy games.
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It's just the math of things. Since the reformation of the Big East, we've completed our 11th non-conference game anywhere from December 17th and 22nd. I would guess we will probably play 9 non-con games, have two conference games once everyone completes finals, then have our last two non-con games in the interim. If I were to guess, I'd say probably something like...
Game 1: November 10 (Lehigh?)
Game 2: November 13-15 (Wisconsin?)
Game 3: November 17-18 (Gavitt?)
Game 4: November 21 (Rhode Island)
Game 5: November 22 (Minnesota/UCF)
Game 6: November 28-29 (Albany?)
Game 7: December 1-2
Game 8: December 12 (UCLA)
Game 9: December 14-15
Game 10: December 18 (Big East)
Game 11: December 20 (Big East)
Game 12: December 27
Game 13: December 29-30
Game 14: January 2 (Full start of Big East play)
Go back to Wisconsin in December.
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Go back to Wisconsin in December.
It seems unlikely this year. The UCLA date has already been announced and they usually give a bigger gap over finals (December 7-11 this year) so I don't think we'll see a Saturday game on December 5. The Big East will likely start over the 18th-20th weekend (possibly Big 10 as well) and they won't put it on Christmas weekend.
I think the early November date is probably here to stay, a casualty of 20-game conference schedules.
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It seems unlikely this year. The UCLA date has already been announced and they usually give a bigger gap over finals (December 7-11 this year) so I don't think we'll see a Saturday game on December 5. The Big East will likely start over the 18th-20th weekend (possibly Big 10 as well) and they won't put it on Christmas weekend.
I think the early November date is probably here to stay, a casualty of 20-game conference schedules.
Would be very hard but if you could pull off playing in February on matching buy weeks (like MU / Wake Forest in 2003), it would be electric. It may actually be doable given the Fox relationship with both conferences. The question becomes does Fox find it more appealing than UW-MSU or MU-Nova.
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It's just the math of things. Since the reformation of the Big East, we've completed our 11th non-conference game anywhere from December 17th and 22nd. I would guess we will probably play 9 non-con games, have two conference games once everyone completes finals, then have our last two non-con games in the interim. If I were to guess, I'd say probably something like...
Game 1: November 10 (Lehigh?)
Game 2: November 13-15 (Wisconsin?)
Game 3: November 17-18 (Gavitt?)
Game 4: November 21 (Rhode Island)
Game 5: November 22 (Minnesota/UCF)
Game 6: November 28-29 (Albany?)
Game 7: December 1-2
Game 8: December 12 (UCLA)
Game 9: December 14-15
Game 10: December 18 (Big East)
Game 11: December 20 (Big East)
Game 12: December 27
Game 13: December 29-30
Game 14: January 2 (Full start of Big East play)
Isn't Oklahoma St. on 12/1?
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Isn't Oklahoma St. on 12/1?
That's right, I forgot they had a set date. I'll fix that.
EDIT: If I'm correct, that's a brutal first 11 games. Presumably three high-major home games, three high-major road games, two neutral site games, and just three relative gimmes.
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That's right, I forgot they had a set date. I'll fix that.
EDIT: If I'm correct, that's a brutal first 11 games. Presumably three high-major home games, three high-major road games, two neutral site games, and just three relative gimmes.
Yeah this isn't exactly the slate you'd want after graduating two multi year starters and a big 1yr role player
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How about moving one of the non conf games in between the BE games during one of the normal bye weeks?? I absolutely HATE the UW game being in November now. Don't like playing them that early at all. Takes a lot of the juice out of it if you ask me.
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How about moving one of the non conf games in between the BE games during one of the normal bye weeks?? I absolutely HATE the UW game being in November now. Don't like playing them that early at all. Takes a lot of the juice out of it if you ask me.
Mike Broeker indicated on Twitter that Marquette will finish all their non-con games before the end of the year, or maybe more accurately, in the first two months of the season.
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It seems unlikely this year. The UCLA date has already been announced and they usually give a bigger gap over finals (December 7-11 this year) so I don't think we'll see a Saturday game on December 5. The Big East will likely start over the 18th-20th weekend (possibly Big 10 as well) and they won't put it on Christmas weekend.
I think the early November date is probably here to stay, a casualty of 20-game conference schedules.
Aren't finals this season the week of and before Thanksgiving?
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Afternooyn finals this season the week of and before Thanksgiving?
Good point, they didn't update on the website I was looking at. Will be interesting to see if they try to cram them in over 3 days. Definitely need to adjust for that.
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How about moving one of the non conf games in between the BE games during one of the normal bye weeks?? I absolutely HATE the UW game being in November now. Don't like playing them that early at all. Takes a lot of the juice out of it if you ask me.
I agree. I went to the game in Madison this year. Got lost in the mix on that Sunday.
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I agree. I went to the game in Madison this year. Got lost in the mix on that Sunday.
It's just too early..I always like MU having some games under their belt first before I start worrying about that game.
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I believe Finals are after Thanksgiving and administered virtually.
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It's just too early..I always like MU having some games under their belt first before I start worrying about that game.
Worry? You Guru? Cmon
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I believe Finals are after Thanksgiving and administered virtually.
This is correct per the released academic schedule as of now
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Regarding the Hall of Fame Tip Off Tournament, per Steele:
"MU will play two games at Fiserv Forum: Nov. 10 vs. Lehigh and Nov. 14 vs. Albany.
The Golden Eagles will then play in the main bracket Nov. 21 and 22 at Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Connecticut.
MU will play Rhode Island on Nov. 21. Central Florida and Minnesota square off on the other side of the bracket."
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Regarding the Hall of Fame Tip Off Tournament, per Steele:
"MU will play two games at Fiserv Forum: Nov. 10 vs. Lehigh and Nov. 14 vs. Albany.
The Golden Eagles will then play in the main bracket Nov. 21 and 22 at Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Connecticut.
MU will play Rhode Island on Nov. 21. Central Florida and Minnesota square off on the other side of the bracket."
Birthday celebration against Rhode Island, that is if they are allowing fans at that point.
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Albany and Lehigh do not appear to be games that will help us at all, but Rhode Island is usually a solid A-10 team, so that seems like a good matchup for us ... as long as we win!
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With where we project to be next year, I could care less about advanced metrics regarding opponents. Take any wins we can going into BE play - we will need them.
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With where we project to be next year, I could care less about advanced metrics regarding opponents. Take any wins we can going into BE play - we will need them.
I am a pretty optimistic guy by nature. I think we can be good next season if DJ is eligible and a couple of the freshmen live up to their billing. If DJ can't play, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
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With where we project to be next year, I could care less about advanced metrics regarding opponents. Take any wins we can going into BE play - we will need them.
I think MU has a sneaky good non-conference schedule this season. The non-conference schedule is stacked with quality opponents....but not elite opponents. Wisconsin, at UCLA, vs. Rhode Island, vs. Minnesota, Oklahoma State...all tough but winnable games. Including the road gavitt game, as long as they go 3-3 in that group (and beat their cupcakes), they'll be in pretty good shape heading into the conference season.
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Man, I don’t see Bucky as a winnable game. Hopefully, I am wrong on that.
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I think MU has a sneaky good non-conference schedule this season. The non-conference schedule is stacked with quality opponents....but not elite opponents. Wisconsin, at UCLA, vs. Rhode Island, vs. Minnesota, Oklahoma State...all tough but winnable games. Including the road gavitt game, as long as they go 3-3 in that group (and beat their cupcakes), they'll be in pretty good shape heading into the conference season.
3-3 against that Murderer's Row? That'll be a great start to Wojo's Year 7....
How do you do teal?
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3-3 against that Murderer's Row? That'll be a great start to Wojo's Year 7....
How do you do teal?
It's a rebuild year. Every program has them. 2-3 years of being up followed by a year of being down. As long as that's the pattern, and each cycle is as good as or better than the last one, your program is in good shape.
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It's a rebuild year. Every program has them. 2-3 years of being up followed by a year of being down. As long as that's the pattern, and each cycle is as good as or better than the last one, your program is in good shape.
Hopefully this rebuild is at the absolute worst equal to Ellenson's year and at best equal to 2017.
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It's a rebuild year. Every program has them. 2-3 years of being up followed by a year of being down. As long as that's the pattern, and each cycle is as good as or better than the last one, your program is in good shape.
A rebuild year? Absolutely laughable. In order to "re"build you would have had to have built something in the first place.
2-3 years of being up? Was I asleep during that time? Wallowing in the purgatory of the Big East?
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It's a rebuild year. Every program has them. 2-3 years of being up followed by a year of being down. As long as that's the pattern, and each cycle is as good as or better than the last one, your program is in good shape.
When was Duke's last rebuild year, when was Kansas's?? Or Gonzaga's?? Villanova's?? And it makes me want to puke, but Wisconsin's?? The thing is, for some schools a "rebuild" year means they get a 6 seed in the tournament, instead of the 2-3 they were/are accustomed to. You can't say EVERY school has a rebuild year without defining what "rebuild" means. I have said it before, Marquette should never have a "rebuild" year in so far as, even in a "rebuilding" year they should at the VERY least be a bubble NCAA team. If Wisconsin never has to rebuild, why should MU have to??
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When was Duke's last rebuild year, when was Kansas's?? Or Gonzaga's?? Villanova's?? And it makes me want to puke, but Wisconsin's?? The thing is, for some schools a "rebuild" year means they get a 6 seed in the tournament, instead of the 2-3 they were/are accustomed to. You can't say EVERY school has a rebuild year without defining what "rebuild" means. I have said it before, Marquette should never have a "rebuild" year in so far as, even in a "rebuilding" year they should at the VERY least be a bubble NCAA team. If Wisconsin never has to rebuild, why should MU have to??
I agree with this analysis.
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When was Duke's last rebuild year, when was Kansas's?? Or Gonzaga's?? Villanova's?? And it makes me want to puke, but Wisconsin's?? The thing is, for some schools a "rebuild" year means they get a 6 seed in the tournament, instead of the 2-3 they were/are accustomed to. You can't say EVERY school has a rebuild year without defining what "rebuild" means. I have said it before, Marquette should never have a "rebuild" year in so far as, even in a "rebuilding" year they should at the VERY least be a bubble NCAA team. If Wisconsin never has to rebuild, why should MU have to??
Novas was 2011-13 two crappy seeds one no postseason. People calling for Jay's job.
WI closest was probably the half year going they were awful when Bo retired mid season.
Zags prior to their first elite 8
Duke, I believe when Wojo was there and K had surgery?
Kansas no idea.
But seeing as two of those programs are Obviously paying and one only has to beat one occasionally two good but not great team every year they aren't great comps.
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When was Duke's last rebuild year, when was Kansas's?? Or Gonzaga's?? Villanova's?? And it makes me want to puke, but Wisconsin's?? The thing is, for some schools a "rebuild" year means they get a 6 seed in the tournament, instead of the 2-3 they were/are accustomed to. You can't say EVERY school has a rebuild year without defining what "rebuild" means. I have said it before, Marquette should never have a "rebuild" year in so far as, even in a "rebuilding" year they should at the VERY least be a bubble NCAA team. If Wisconsin never has to rebuild, why should MU have to??
In 2017-18, UW finished under .500. A rebuild year.
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In 2017-18, UW finished under .500. A rebuild year.
Forgot that happened
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When was Duke's last rebuild year, when was Kansas's?? Or Gonzaga's?? Villanova's?? And it makes me want to puke, but Wisconsin's?? The thing is, for some schools a "rebuild" year means they get a 6 seed in the tournament, instead of the 2-3 they were/are accustomed to. You can't say EVERY school has a rebuild year without defining what "rebuild" means. I have said it before, Marquette should never have a "rebuild" year in so far as, even in a "rebuilding" year they should at the VERY least be a bubble NCAA team. If Wisconsin never has to rebuild, why should MU have to??
Kansas chests.
Duke allegedly cheats.
Villanova has had to rebuild.
Wisconsin is the state program and kids in the state love to play for the state program now.
Gonzaga starts the year 18-0 with their conference. Not many teams have to rebuild when playing in that conference.
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A rebuild year? Absolutely laughable. In order to "re"build you would have had to have built something in the first place.
2-3 years of being up? Was I asleep during that time? Wallowing in the purgatory of the Big East?
Wojo took over for a team that missed the NIT. His first recruiting cycle resulted in: no postseason (rebuild year), no postseason but better, 10 seed. His second cycle resulted in NIT (rebuild year), 5 seed, and somewhere between an 8 and a 10 seed. He improved from one cycle to the next. If the next cycle is better than this last one, then he will continue to have a job. If he doesn't, he will be gone.
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When was Duke's last rebuild year, when was Kansas's?? Or Gonzaga's?? Villanova's?? And it makes me want to puke, but Wisconsin's?? The thing is, for some schools a "rebuild" year means they get a 6 seed in the tournament, instead of the 2-3 they were/are accustomed to. You can't say EVERY school has a rebuild year without defining what "rebuild" means. I have said it before, Marquette should never have a "rebuild" year in so far as, even in a "rebuilding" year they should at the VERY least be a bubble NCAA team. If Wisconsin never has to rebuild, why should MU have to??
Duke? 2016.
Kansas? 2019.
Gonzaga? 2016.
Villanova? 2019.
Wisconsin? 2018.
Every school (except maybe 2*) has rebuild years. All I mean by that is that it is a year where they lose a lot from the previous season's roster and don't have results that match their recent levels of success. A rebuild is going to look different for different programs. For a program like Duke, a rebuild year is going to result in a 4 seed. For a program like Marquette, it could mean the NIT. The goal is to keep building your program so every cycle is better than the last one. Eventually you can get to a level where rebuild years mean you are still making the NCAAs, or even single digit seeds in the NCAAs.
Since Howard and Sammy stepped foot on campus, it was obvious that year 7 would end up being a rebuild year for MU. My hope for this season has always been that we make the tournament even if it is by the skin of our teeth. To me, that would show that the program is continuing to grow and that this cycle will be better than the last. I think if Carton is eligible, that is a real possibility.
*Duke and Kentucky may be the only schools theoretically immune to rebuild years. They are one and done factories that rely entirely on 5-star freshmen to be successful. Every other program relies on least some of their key players being veterans who developed over a few years.
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Duke? 2016.
Kansas? 2019.
Gonzaga? 2016.
Villanova? 2019.
Wisconsin? 2018.
Every school (except maybe 2*) has rebuild years. All I mean by that is that it is a year where they lose a lot from the previous season's roster and don't have results that match their recent levels of success. A rebuild is going to look different for different programs. For a program like Duke, a rebuild year is going to result in a 4 seed. For a program like Marquette, it could mean the NIT. The goal is to keep building your program so every cycle is better than the last one. Eventually you can get to a level where rebuild years mean you are still making the NCAAs, or even single digit seeds in the NCAAs.
Since Howard and Sammy stepped foot on campus, it was obvious that year 7 would end up being a rebuild year for MU. My hope for this season has always been that we make the tournament even if it is by the skin of our teeth. To me, that would show that the program is continuing to grow and that this cycle will be better than the last. I think if Carton is eligible, that is a real possibility.
*Duke and Kentucky may be the only schools theoretically immune to rebuild years. They are one and done factories that rely entirely on 5-star freshmen to be successful. Every other program relies on least some of their key players being veterans who developed over a few years.
Tom Izzo never had a rebuild year.
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Tom Izzo never had a rebuild year.
But he is a piece of garbage
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But he is a piece of garbage
One mans trash is another mans treasure
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Tom Izzo never had a rebuild year.
First of all, that isn't true.
Second, if we have to go to the top echelons of college basketball to come up with examples of teams and coaches whose rebuild would make other schools happy, then what is the point?
Marquette isn't there. Everyone knows this. I want to get there. We likely won't. Bitching and moaning in every f*cking topic isn't going to change anything.
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Tom Izzo never had a rebuild year.
Yes he has. His last one was in 2017
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Yes he has. His last one was in 2017
Was not a rebuilding year. Izzo elected to start the season off playing very tough opponents. They made the NCAA tournament and won a game.
If that is a rebuild please sign MU up for one soon.
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One mans trash is another mans treasure
I prefer treasures that don’t enable and protect men that sexually assault women
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Was not a rebuilding year. Izzo elected to start the season off playing very tough opponents. They made the NCAA tournament and won a game.
It was the definition of a rebuilding year. They lost stud seniors Denzel Valentine, Bryn Forbes, and Matt Costello to graduation as well as the expected defection of Deyonta Davis to the draft (where he went at the end of the first round). They also lost bench players to transfer in Javon Bess (SLU) and Marvin Clark Jr (SJU). That's a lot of talent they needed to replace (or even rebuild you might say). Izzo brought in a lot of talented freshmen but they fell from a 2 seed in 2016 to a 9 seed in 2017. Another year of development for those talented freshmen and all of the sudden Michigan State shoots back to a 3 seed the following season and a 2 seed the season after that. It's almost like Izzo took a year to rebuild and then followed it up with a series of up years.
Every school (except maybe 2*) has rebuild years. All I mean by that is that it is a year where they lose a lot from the previous season's roster and don't have results that match their recent levels of success. A rebuild is going to look different for different programs. For a program like Duke, a rebuild year is going to result in a 4 seed. For a program like Marquette, it could mean the NIT. The goal is to keep building your program so every cycle is better than the last one. Eventually you can get to a level where rebuild years mean you are still making the NCAAs, or even single digit seeds in the NCAAs.
A rebuild year for a program like Michigan State looks different than a rebuild year for a program like Marquette (or Cincinnati, or Illinois, or NC State, or LSU.....etc). Michigan State is expected to get a top 4 seed every season. When they get a 9 seed, that is disappointing by their standards. But it happens every few years because that's how college basketball works. It's nearly impossible to balance the classes perfectly.
If that is a rebuild please sign MU up for one soon.
I hope we get to that level soon too. We may get to see it this season if Carton is eligible. Wojo's second cycle was better than his first, but it wasn't as good as I expected. I hope he can course correct this next go around.
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Per Mark Schlabach ESPN
The NCAA Committee on Infractions on Friday placed Oklahoma State's men's basketball program on three years of probation and banned the Cowboys from playing in postseason tournaments next season.
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Per Mark Schlabach ESPN
The NCAA Committee on Infractions on Friday placed Oklahoma State's men's basketball program on three years of probation and banned the Cowboys from playing in postseason tournaments next season.
Be interesting to see if Cade Cunningham stays with that in place.
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Supposedly the G-League offered Cunningham 500k to go with them. Will be interesting if they reach out and he reconsiders. His brother still is on the coaching staff, so this could be quite telling.
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Well, it is the 2nd best professional basketball league in the world!
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Novas was 2011-13 two crappy seeds one no postseason. People calling for Jay's job.
WI closest was probably the half year going they were awful when Bo retired mid season.
Zags prior to their first elite 8
Duke, I believe when Wojo was there and K had surgery?
Kansas no idea.
But seeing as two of those programs are Obviously paying and one only has to beat one occasionally two good but not great team every year they aren't great comps.
Kansas was this year, since the year before they did not win the Big 12 for the first time in something like 20 years. We do not necessarily recognize rebuild years for the elite, because their sucky year is usually better than our good years.
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Be interesting to see if Cade Cunningham stays with that in place.
Per Jeff Borzello Tweet
Oklahoma State Coach
Mike Boynton on Cade Cunningham: “We're going to have conversations. ... We’re gonna try to look at all the options, whatever they are: G-League, overseas, transfer to another school, stay at Oklahoma State. … Whatever he decides is best for his future, I’m gonna support 100%.”
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I read an article about UW’s non conference schedule. They are also hoping for a December MU game. Whatever happens with the Fiserv, it sounds like the NBA is hoping to come back around Christmas, making more dates available early in the season.
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I read an article about UW’s non conference schedule. They are also hoping for a December MU game. Whatever happens with the Fiserv, it sounds like the NBA is hoping to come back around Christmas, making more dates available early in the season.
With Marquette moving finals up to thanksgiving week. It means scheduling wise Marquette would have entire December Open for scheduling instead of the traditional week off.
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Oklahoma State at Oklahoma From Feb 1, 2020 On ESPNU 303 until 11:00 tonight
Announcers compared Oklahoma’s Manek to Marquette’s Steve Novak
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Oklahoma State at Oklahoma From Feb 1, 2020 On ESPNU 303 until 11:00 tonight
Announcers compared Oklahoma’s Manek to Marquette’s Steve Novak
Thanks for the 2020 schedule update
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Not sure if it has been mentioned but for scheduling heard Olympic Sports will probably be divided within the Big East to East and West. West will be Marquette, XU, DP, BU and CU. For scheduling, games and travel reasons. Not sure if that translates if at all to other sports.
BIG EAST Fall Sports Scheduling Changes Announced
Soccer and volleyball will be divided into East and Midwest Divisions
6/8/2020 2:00:00 PM
Geographic divisions for men's soccer, women's soccer and volleyball are: Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova and returning member Connecticut in the East Division; and Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette and Xavier in the Midwest Division
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BIG EAST Fall Sports Scheduling Changes Announced
Soccer and volleyball will be divided into East and Midwest Divisions
6/8/2020 2:00:00 PM
Geographic divisions for men's soccer, women's soccer and volleyball are: Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova and returning member Connecticut in the East Division; and Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette and Xavier in the Midwest Division
I assume this is to limit travel?
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UW@MU Sat Dec 5th...back in December where it belongs!
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1270386159064145920?s=20
ETA: Just realized though, students won't be on campus for it.
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BIG EAST Fall Sports Scheduling Changes Announced
Soccer and volleyball will be divided into East and Midwest Divisions
6/8/2020 2:00:00 PM
Geographic divisions for men's soccer, women's soccer and volleyball are: Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova and returning member Connecticut in the East Division; and Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette and Xavier in the Midwest Division
Soccer to play everyone in their division twice, VB four times.
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Soccer to play everyone in their division twice, VB four times.
Will that mean that Midwest will play two teams 3 times in soccer since divisions are unbalanced? And I think VB would have to play everyone 5 times in Midwest to play same number of games.
Or do some of the East schools not sponsor certain sports?
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I assume this is to limit travel?
Yes heard the main reason is travel
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Marquette's Facebook pointed out that MU is undefeated ALL-TIME vs. Wisconsin at the Fiserv. What a blow to the state's flagship University that they can never win in this tax payer funded arena.
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Entire non conf schedule out tomm morning
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1270760977177419778?s=20
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Per Tweet Jeff Goodman @ Goodman Hoops
Former Cal Baptist guard Ferron Flavors, who committed to Oklahoma State earlier this summer as a grad transfer, told me he'll stick with his commitment despite the 1-year postseason ban the NCAA hit the program with Friday. Flavors averaged 13.5 ppg.
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Entire non conf schedule out tomm morning
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1270760977177419778?s=20
Thank You It Is Basketball Christmas Morning
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Western Michigan, Chicago State and Jackson State the three buy games we didn't know.
Gavitt still TBD road game.
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THE WESTERN MICHIGAN REVENGE GAME IS ON!!!!!
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Nov 10 - vs. Lehigh
Nov 14 - vs. Albany
Nov 17/18 - @ B10 Team (Gavitt) TBD
Nov 21 - vs. Rhode Island (N Tourney)
Nov 22 - vs. UCF/Minnesota (N Tourney)
Nov 25 - vs. Chicago State
Nov 28 - vs. Western Michigan
Dec 1 - vs. OK State
Dec 5 - vs. Wisconsin
Dec 12 - @ UCLA
Dec 19 - vs. Jackson State
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Tough schedule. Going to assume Illinois or Nebraska for Gavitt game.
9-2 would be a big time win. Which means 10-10 in BE gets us to 19-12 heading into BE tourney and probably a bubble team. About as good as we can hope for with this group, IMO.
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So about the pre-Holiday conference games, it looks like there would be room for two of them mid week between the three Saturday games.
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Projected Conference Opponent T Rank:
4. Villanova
10. Creighton
23. UConn
34. Providence
48. Xavier
51. Seaton Hall
52. St. John’s
61. Butler
94. DePaul
106. Georgetown
Projected Non-Conference Opponent T Rank:
6. Wisconsin
33. Oklahoma State
35. UCLA
115. Rhode Island
256. Albany
264. Western Michigan
274. Jackson State
295. Lehigh
331. Chicago State
And either 68. Minnesota or 88. UCF
I used 78 for the second tournament game and did not include Gavitt Tip off game but average non conference opponent rank is 168.7 and conference is 48.3 for average total schedule of 88.4
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Western Michigan, Chicago State and Jackson State the three buy games we didn't know.
Gavitt still TBD road game.
Chicago State - the worst program in America. 353/353 in the NET. One D1 win last year. I get needing to play more regional teams but come on.
Jackson State - decent HBCU program. 289 last year. Their best non-conference win was #275 Portland. They play every non-conference game on the road out of budgetary necessity.
Western Michigan - 235 last year. Big 3OT win at UWM. New coach this year.
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Challenging Non Con Schedule, However, very intelligently constructed. So Kudos to Broeker and Coaching Staff.
The upperclassmen are going to need some time to jell as group. So the sandwich of easy games scheduled around a Big Ten road and the neutral site tournament is perfect. Allows the team to get figure out where they are and go prepared into the games in December that can really help the tournament resume.
Similarly , the Freshman/redshirt Freshman are going to need reps and experience before they get into conference play. They should have a good feel for what is expected by the time Conference play rolls around.
Our 20 game conference schedule is going to be very tough.
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Chicago State - the worst program in America. 353/353 in the NET. One D1 win last year. I get needing to play more regional teams but come on.
Jackson State - decent HBCU program. 289 last year. Their best non-conference win was #275 Portland. They play every non-conference game on the road out of budgetary necessity.
Western Michigan - 235 last year. Big 3OT win at UWM. New coach this year.
WMU is fine.
Marquette should never play Chicago State or any SWAC team. I've said it before, I will say it again. Its stupid. There are literally a litany of mid and low major teams in neighboring states that would be easy wins and considerably better for the computer numbers.
I will never get it. It cannot be that hard.
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SWAC programs are cheap. Also you schedule them when you can get them. Adding a couple cakiest of the cupcakes isn't going to be a problem with this schedule.
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WMU is fine.
Marquette should never play Chicago State or any SWAC team. I've said it before, I will say it again. Its stupid. There are literally a litany of mid and low major teams in neighboring states that would be easy wins and considerably better for the computer numbers.
I will never get it. It cannot be that hard.
I wonder if Marquette schedules CSU or SWAC teams as a way to help them out. Those schools are so strapped for cash that maybe MU feels they can help these programs remain solvent by paying them $300K or so and allows them to keep the program and opportunities for those kids.
Or, maybe they can just get them on the cheap.
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The only way playing Chicago St hurts us is if we lose to them or we are a bubble team and need another Quad 1 or Quad 2 win but that means replacing them with a top 70 team but then the economics come in to play. How much more will it cost? Will it be a home and home?
Schedule is fine. Big East won't be as good as last year but there's enough quality opponents in the non conf and conference that if we will our share we'll be fine on selection Sunday.
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The only way playing Chicago St hurts us is if we lose to them or we are a bubble team and need another Quad 1 or Quad 2 win but that means replacing them with a top 70 team but then the economics come in to play. How much more will it cost? Will it be a home and home?
Schedule is fine. Big East won't be as good as last year but there's enough quality opponents in the non conf and conference that if we will our share we'll be fine on selection Sunday.
From a metric perspective, set the target at a 35-point win. Anything less is a loss.
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WMU is fine.
Marquette should never play Chicago State or any SWAC team. I've said it before, I will say it again. Its stupid. There are literally a litany of mid and low major teams in neighboring states that would be easy wins and considerably better for the computer numbers.
I will never get it. It cannot be that hard.
This was more true when RPI was a thing. Now, just make sure you blast them and your computer numbers will improve. For example, when beat lowly 10-21 Central Arkansas (#283 in KenPom last season), our KenPom ranking jumped from #31 to #26 because we beat them by 52. For comparison, when we beat top 75 Davidson, our KenPom rating only jumped from #29 to #27 because we only beat them by 10. It's all about efficiency now.
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Tough schedule. Going to assume Illinois or Nebraska for Gavitt game.
9-2 would be a big time win. Which means 10-10 in BE gets us to 19-12 heading into BE tourney and probably a bubble team. About as good as we can hope for with this group, IMO.
10-10 is no where near the bubble
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WMU is fine.
Marquette should never play Chicago State or any SWAC team. I've said it before, I will say it again. Its stupid. There are literally a litany of mid and low major teams in neighboring states that would be easy wins and considerably better for the computer numbers.
I will never get it. It cannot be that hard.
Mid major teams are far far harder to schedule
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10-10 is no where near the bubble
Why? We were in with our conference record this year.
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The only positive to not having fans at the game for the (first part of?) next year would be that Badger game on December 5 with no students. Yikes, that would be an ugly scene seeing 10k+ badger fans there. Looks like a good schedule overall though.
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The only positive to not having fans at the game for the (first part of?) next year would be that Badger game on December 5 with no students. Yikes, that would be an ugly scene seeing 10k+ badger fans there. Looks like a good schedule overall though.
What?
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Why? We were in with our conference record this year.
Meaning way above the bubble prolly 8-9 seed. Jjjjj said we will go 10-10 n be on the bubble
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All depends on the quality of the Big East this season. I think the conference as a whole will be down next year. Villanova will be top dog. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Seton Hall, UConn, and Xavier will be smooshed in the middle. DePaul, Providence, and St. John's will have at least a prayer of making the NCAAs. Georgetown will be BAD.
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Projected Conference Opponent T Rank:
4. Villanova
10. Creighton
23. UConn
34. Providence
48. Xavier
51. Seaton Hall
52. St. John’s
61. Butler
94. DePaul
106. Georgetown
Projected Non-Conference Opponent T Rank:
6. Wisconsin
33. Oklahoma State
35. UCLA
115. Rhode Island
256. Albany
264. Western Michigan
274. Jackson State
295. Lehigh
331. Chicago State
And either 68. Minnesota or 88. UCF
I used 78 for the second tournament game and did not include Gavitt Tip off game but average non conference opponent rank is 168.7 and conference is 48.3 for average total schedule of 88.4
What is Marquettes's T-Rank?
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Marquette currently at 70 and that includes DJ Carton on the roster.
One thing I disagree with, is that he has Koby playing about 30 mpg at an ORtg of 98, which is bad. No way that happens. If he is playing at that level, Koby isn't playing that much and Symir's PT increases a lot. If he is playing 32 mpg, his ORtg will be much higher.
https://www.barttorvik.com/#
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All depends on the quality of the Big East this season. I think the conference as a whole will be down next year. Villanova will be top dog. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Seton Hall, UConn, and Xavier will be smooshed in the middle. DePaul, Providence, and St. John's will have at least a prayer of making the NCAAs. Georgetown will be BAD.
Creighton is going to be very strong again.
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Creighton is going to be very strong again.
Maybe. Without Alexander, I'm not so sure. That being said, I would put them towards the top of that middle group
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All depends on the quality of the Big East this season. I think the conference as a whole will be down next year. Villanova will be top dog. Butler, Creighton, Marquette, Seton Hall, UConn, and Xavier will be smooshed in the middle. DePaul, Providence, and St. John's will have at least a prayer of making the NCAAs. Georgetown will be BAD.
Don't get the Butler love, think they'll be much closer to DePaul and Providence level than Creighton, Seton Hall, or even our level. Lost three of their top 4 scorers (like us). Top returning scorer is a forward that can't really create his own shot. Incoming freshman class isn't nearly as good as ours (any of our freshman would be their highest rated recruit). And assuming that DJ gets his waiver, we also have a better immediately eligible guard. Seems like a textbook NIT team.
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Maybe. Without Alexander, I'm not so sure. That being said, I would put them towards the top of that middle group
They return the whole rest of their starting lineup plus Mahoney who was Sixth man of the year in the Big East .
In addition , Creighton will also have a Healthy Jacob Epperson back, he did not play last year because of surgery.
They also have Antwann Jones, the transfer from Memphis , eligible. He is a big ( 6-6 )physical guard who has had a year to get acclimated to the Creighton program.
So they are going to have plenty of offensive firepower and increased Defensive and Rebounding capabilities.
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They return the whole rest of their starting lineup plus Mahoney who was Sixth man of the year in the Big East .
In addition , Creighton will also have a Healthy Jacob Epperson back, he did not play last year because of surgery.
They also have Antwann Jones, the transfer from Memphis , eligible. He is a big ( 6-6 )physical guard who has had a year to get acclimated to the Creighton program.
So they are going to have plenty of offensive firepower and increased Defensive and Rebounding capabilities.
I'm well aware of what they have coming back, though I don't think Epperson's health is a lock as you suggest. They also have a trio of talented freshmen coming in. I just hesitate to call them great. I think the distance between them and Villanova will be greater than the distance between them and the rest of the league. Though Saddiq Bey's departure defintiely closes the gap...but that only goes to further the original point that the league will be down as a whole compared to last season.
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Xavier has a ton of moving parts with a coach that has been "eh" so far. Can he mold this group into a team and how quickly will that take? Still little outside shooting on this roster. I can see them at the bottom along with Butler.
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Don't get the Butler love, think they'll be much closer to DePaul and Providence level than Creighton, Seton Hall, or even our level. Lost three of their top 4 scorers (like us). Top returning scorer is a forward that can't really create his own shot. Incoming freshman class isn't nearly as good as ours (any of our freshman would be their highest rated recruit). And assuming that DJ gets his waiver, we also have a better immediately eligible guard. Seems like a textbook NIT team.
I'm not sure about them either. I'd put them at the bottom of the middle group. I like them a lot defensively, but I have no idea where the scoring is going to come from.
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I'm not sure about them either. I'd put them at the bottom of the middle group. I like them a lot defensively, but I have no idea where the scoring is going to come from.
Yep, I think there's a tendency for scoopers to look at what we've lost (which is a lot) in a vacuum, and not compare it to the rest of the league. Providence lost a ton, Butler lost all of their scorers, X lost quite a bit from a team that wasn't great to begin with, Gtown is absolutely gutted (it's almost comical to compare their roster from 365 days ago to now). I know that I look at things through gold tinted glasses (injured players returning to form, Carton getting a waiver, Freshman coming in as billed), but .500 in Conference certainly seems attainable.
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Yep, I think there's a tendency for scoopers to look at what we've lost (which is a lot) in a vacuum, and not compare it to the rest of the league. Providence lost a ton, Butler lost all of their scorers, X lost quite a bit from a team that wasn't great to begin with, Gtown is absolutely gutted (it's almost comical to compare their roster from 365 days ago to now). I know that I look at things through gold tinted glasses (injured players returning to form, Carton getting a waiver, Freshman coming in as billed), but .500 in Conference certainly seems attainable.
Agree, DJO.
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We may or may not play Minnesota and not sure he will get a waiver but Gophers land former Austin Minnesota star Both Gach in transfer from Utah. Sam Hauser liked Both Gach’s Tweet.
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Meaning way above the bubble prolly 8-9 seed. Jjjjj said we will go 10-10 n be on the bubble
I mean, I was being fairly liberal with the use of the term "bubble". I don't think a 19-13 team is so far from the bubble in a positive or negative direction that its worth pointing out.
I also think 19-13 is an absolute pipe dream without Carton. May even be one with him.
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Per Jeff Goodman @ Goodman Hoops
Oklahoma State has landed Ole Miss transfer Bryce Williams, source told @Stadium.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Potential No. 1 pick Cade Cunningham announces he’s sticking with his commitment to Oklahoma State.
Had been mulling multiple options since the NCAA handed down sanctions against the Cowboys.
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I think OSU feels pretty confident that their one year ban will be overturned or reduced. It is kind of a ridiculous punishment all things considered.
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"I view it differently from most people. To me, the important things are scheduling, referees, coaching, and material-- in that order. I rank scheduling first because that includes not just who you play but when and where you play them. For instance, South Carolina opens this year against Minnesota and Alabama. That's Dunkirk. You're supposed to play your first game against East Cupcake."
--- Al McGuire
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Philly just banned gatherings of 50+ through Feb 28th. Technically Nova plays in Villanova, PA so they could work around these rules. Something to keep an eye on relative to staging BE games / attending BE games.