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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on November 05, 2019, 08:33:12 PM
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Big record to set currently 10 till the first 2000 pt men's scorer
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Congrats Markus, were extremely fortunate to have you representing MU!
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Congrats to Mr. Howard
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#M2N
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Incredibly awesome accomplishment.
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7
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And he can’t even have a celebratory beer
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And he can’t even have a celebratory beer
Haha...true. An an incredible feat.
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Congratulations! Huge accomplishment with more to come. Lucky to have you.
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Yes great job by Marcus
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So lucky to have a great player, and a great representative for the university, for these four years.
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Markus has been misty inducing. Thanks for the memories and don’t stop now
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Congrats, Markus. Greatest scorer in college basketball today.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1191922589133750272?s=21
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Markus looked bound and determined to get this career scoring record thing out of the way as soon as possible. He practically scored at will in the first half. A great performance by an all-time great. Congratulations!
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Markus is a good dude. Congrats.
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19 of the first 21.
No way was MH gonna break the all time record on a FT.
intentional miss. No doubt.
9 for 10 on FTs.
30 in 1st half.
So glad to be there.
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No way was MH gonna break the all time record on a FT.
intentional miss. No doubt.
That thought actually crossed my mind as I watched it.
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https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/1191930439361073155?s=21
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19 of the first 21.
No way was MH gonna break the all time record on a FT.
intentional miss. No doubt.
9 for 10 on FTs.
30 in 1st half.
So glad to be there.
When Markus went to the bench 7 minutes in, he had scored 19. Sacar had 2 and Loyola had 0.
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Congrats Mr. Howard! Undeniable scoring talent
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One of the greatest Warriors in MUBB history.
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Congrats to Markus. Such a treat to watch.
And kudos to Traci Carter for calling this during Howard's freshman year.
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Congrats to Markus. Such a treat to watch.
And kudos to Traci Carter for calling this during Howard's freshman year.
Remind me ... what did Carter say?
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Remind me ... what did Carter say?
I think when he transferred he referenced that Markus would end up MU's all time leading scorer.
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(https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58597.0;attach=8320;image)
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I think when he transferred he referenced that Markus would end up MU's all time leading scorer.
I looked for this quote a couple weeks ago my lack of computer skills/patience made me give up.
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19 of the first 21.
No way was MH gonna break the all time record on a FT.
intentional miss. No doubt.
You apparently didn't see how pissed off he was at himself leaving the court at halftime. He knew and he wanted it on that free throw.
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(https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58597.0;attach=8320;image)
Congratulations Markus for being an incredible Warrior on and off the court. We will cherish every game this year watching you play leading this team to greatness.
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A deserved honor and accomplishment for someone who has always represented Marquette with nothing but class.
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You apparently didn't see how pissed off he was at himself leaving the court at halftime. He knew and he wanted it on that free throw.
Yep. He ran straight from the free throw line into the tunnel. That was not an intentional miss.
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Harry Froling
@HarryFroling
Congrats to @markushoward11 on scoring 1900 more college points than me. Pretty special thing considering how much I dominated at Marquette. Congrats brother 🙏🏻💪🏼
9:37 PM - 5 Nov 2019
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Howard is definitely the greatest scorer in MU history. Other top scorers could have had a four point line and not match is numbers. Congrats to Howard for becoming all time leader scorer.
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Does anyone know George Thompson’s freshmen year stat line?
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Harry Froling
@HarryFroling
Congrats to @markushoward11 on scoring 1900 more college points than me. Pretty special thing considering how much I dominated at Marquette. Congrats brother 🙏🏻💪🏼
9:37 PM - 5 Nov 2019
To quote Blago: That is effen golden!
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Harry Froling
@HarryFroling
Congrats to @markushoward11 on scoring 1900 more college points than me. Pretty special thing considering how much I dominated at Marquette. Congrats brother 🙏🏻💪🏼
9:37 PM - 5 Nov 2019
Sports sometimes reveals Character.
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GOAT
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Harry Froling
@HarryFroling
Congrats to @markushoward11 on scoring 1900 more college points than me. Pretty special thing considering how much I dominated at Marquette. Congrats brother 🙏🏻💪🏼
9:37 PM - 5 Nov 2019
Froling is a solid Twitter follow. Wanted to pull the curtain back a bit much when the Hausers left, but generally pretty entertaining.
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Does anyone know George Thompson’s freshmen year stat line?
Yup...he only played 3 seasons with no shot clock and no 3pt baskets and played in fewer games each season as well. Yes, Markus is our all time leading scorer, but in the modern era of college basketball. If, George could have played 4 seasons he would have over 2100 points.
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MUWarrior69
I am big time Brute Force fan, but he never would have matched Howard's numbers, IMO.
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Yup...he only played 3 seasons with no shot clock and no 3pt baskets and played in fewer games each season as well. Yes, Markus is our all time leading scorer, but in the modern era of college basketball. If, George could have played 4 seasons he would have over 2100 points.
Markus is at 19.9 points per game for his career after last night. George Thompson is at 20.4.
For Markus to hit 20.5, he will have to get to 2,686 points over the next 31 games, which is the minimum remaining assuming he is healthy and they secure a postseason bid. That would be 22.4 ppg for the remainder of the year, or a year end total of 22.9.
That would mean he would have to exceed his freshman and sophomore year production, but wouldn't have to reach his junior year.
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Markus is at 19.9 points per game for his career after last night. George Thompson is at 20.4.
For Markus to hit 20.5, he will have to get to 2,686 points over the next 31 games, which is the minimum remaining assuming he is healthy and they secure a postseason bid. That would be 22.4 ppg for the remainder of the year, or a year end total of 22.9.
That would mean he would have to exceed his freshman and sophomore year production, but wouldn't have to reach his junior year.
Not that it matters, but had Thompson played a 4th year, it also would have been an additional year at the start as a freshman on a team with 5 double-digit scorers, including a leading scorer in Bob Wolf that also led the team in scoring during Thompson's sophomore year. He would certainly have a bigger scoring total, but as a second or third option his scoring average would likely have been lower and the jump in his overall tally would have been hindered by MU only playing 26 total games that season.
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Not that it matters, but had Thompson played a 4th year, it also would have been an additional year at the start as a freshman on a team with 5 double-digit scorers, including a leading scorer in Bob Wolf that also led the team in scoring during Thompson's sophomore year. He would certainly have a bigger scoring total, but as a second or third option his scoring average would likely have been lower and the jump in his overall tally would have been hindered by MU only playing 26 total games that season.
...and no 3pt basket (lowering ppg) and no shot clock (fewer possessions). Markus' scoring record is a great achievement, but so is George's and they IMO are not comparable.
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Froling is a solid Twitter follow. Wanted to pull the curtain back a bit much when the Hausers left, but generally pretty entertaining.
I remember two years ago when MU lost in the BET and was basically eliminated from NCAAT consideration, Rowsey was inconsolable on the bench and Froling came over and put an arm around him. It was a touching moment. Froling was a bust for MU, but seems like he’s generally a good dude.
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...and no 3pt basket (lowering ppg) and no shot clock (fewer possessions). Markus' scoring record is a great achievement, but so is George's and they IMO are not comparable.
Agree with this.
It's one of those "we'll never know" deals.
GT was before my time, but from what I've read and heard he was an incredible talent. As is Markus, and I'm thrilled he's a Warrior.
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MU82
George was a man playing with boys. No doubt different era's, shot clock, number of games and other factors, but I believe Howard is the greatest pure scorer in school history. That said, I still believe today, he is not a top ten all time player in school history.
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Jesus, even a thread set up to simply congratulate a player has to devolve into an argument.
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Jesus, even a thread set up to simply congratulate a player have to devolve into an argument.
I DISAGREE!
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That said, I still believe today, he is not a top ten all time player in school history.
Do you think McNeal is top 10? I do not. I’m just curious.
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Agree with this.
It's one of those "we'll never know" deals.
GT was before my time, but from what I've read and heard he was an incredible talent. As is Markus, and I'm thrilled he's a Warrior Golden Eagle.
GT is the Warrior.
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MU82
George was a man playing with boys. No doubt different era's, shot clock, number of games and other factors, but I believe Howard is the greatest pure scorer in school history. That said, I still believe today, he is not a top ten all time player in school history.
You are entitled to that opinion, Goose. We will agree to disagree.
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PRN
I rate Howard higher than McNeal.
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MU82
So, you think George was a better scorer?
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Question from someone who came along years after GT. Was he a good long range shooter? Would a three point line have helped him significantly?
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...and no 3pt basket (lowering ppg) and no shot clock (fewer possessions). Markus' scoring record is a great achievement, but so is George's and they IMO are not comparable.
Absolutely. Not to mention Al ran the games at a much slower pace.
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Do you think McNeal is top 10? I do not. I’m just curious.
There's an argument to be made for him no doubt. But at this point I think you are correct. We will see what this year brings.
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Question from someone who came along years after GT. Was he a good long range shooter? Would a three point line have helped him significantly?
I think the better metric which could be easily calculated is to convert all Markus' 3 pt baskets to 2pt baskets and 3 pt foul calls to 2 pt foul calls and see what his scoring would look like to date. Of course it would be nearly impossible to know how the shot clock affected ppg in Howard's case.
It's 50 years ago, but I do agree that Markus is a better shooter than George, but I think George was a better scorer inside the basket. The stats may prove me wrong but I don't think they kept stats on where the basket was made on the court in 60s.
Again it show how much the game has changed.
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I think the better metric which could be easily calculated is to convert all Markus' 3 pt baskets to 2pt baskets and 3 pt foul calls to 2 pt foul calls and see what his scoring would look like to date. Of course it would be nearly impossible to know how the shot clock affected ppg in Howard's case.
It's 50 years ago, but I do agree that Markus is a better shooter than George, but I think George was a better scorer inside the basket. The stats may prove me wrong but I don't think they kept stats on where the basket was made on the court in 60s.
Again it show how much the game has changed.
But if there was no three pt shot Markus likely wouldn't take a lower percentage shot like he does now. There's just no way to compare it's better to appreciate greatness when you see it
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Do you think McNeal is top 10? I do not. I’m just curious.
The guy that calls Markus a cancer...
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But if there was no three pt shot Markus likely wouldn't take a lower percentage shot like he does now. There's just no way to compare it's better to appreciate greatness when you see it
I do appreciate greatness when I see it, and I have seen both. They are both great. IMO Markus is the all time leading scoring Golden Eagle; George the all time leading scoring Warrior. As you say incomparable, two different games.
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Yeah I think it is exceedingly difficult to compare players across eras in different sports. Its like the argument over who the greatest Packer quarterback is - Starr (my dad), Favre (me), or Rodgers (my kids). Different eras and different ways to measure success - with a dose of sentimentality thrown in.
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Yeah I think it is exceedingly difficult to compare players across eras in different sports. Its like the argument over who the greatest Packer quarterback is - Starr (my dad), Favre (me), or Rodgers (my kids). Different eras and different ways to measure success - with a dose of sentimentality thrown in.
Starr without a doubt!
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MU82
So, you think George was a better scorer?
Well, even though I'm not a young'un, I'm young'un enough to have never seen George Thompson play one minute of basketball, unless one counts grainy film of him. So I simply do not know. I also never saw Babe Ruth play baseball, but I know for a fact that Ruth is the greatest ever because of the breadth of information about him. I don't think that applies to George Thompson; if you didn't go to Marquette, you probably never heard of him.
I assume that if Thompson had been able to play a 4th season and had he benefited from the 3-point shot and the shot clock, that he would have a lot more points than Markus currently does, but Markus might still eventually pass him. But would that alone make Markus a "better scorer"? I don't know.
Markus is a great scorer today, in this era, and that's the only era he can be judged on IMHO. Assuming he stays healthy he likely will have been the best scorer in all of college basketball during the 2017-20 stretch. And before that, as a 17-year-old freshman who wasn't the centerpiece of the MU offense, he was a damn near record-setting 3-point shooter.
I'm not saying this is you, Goose, but I'm not sure why some want to diminish what he's done by comparing him to those of 30 or 40 or 50 years ago.
He is a much different player than others who likely are on top-10 lists: Thompson, Dean, Luke, Lackey, Lee, Chones, Tatum, Bo, Wade, Crowder, Butler, etc. Each would be a matter of opinion, and each would be subject to any selector's biases. I mean, grown men and women who were born in 1990 and never saw any Al-era Warriors play except in grainy films ... who are Lackey and Tatum to them?
These are always fun arguments ... until they become un-fun because folks make it personal for some reason. Again, not saying that's you, my friend.
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Different eras, different rules, different styles. Both are great scorers.
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The guy that calls Markus a cancer...
Seconded.
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You apparently didn't see how pissed off he was at himself leaving the court at halftime. He knew and he wanted it on that free throw.
No...I did see it. Doesn’t change my position however.
I called the miss before the shot.
Acting pissed doesn’t prove anything.
Doesn’t matter. Happy for MH.
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Congrats, Marcus! You will be hard to catch for future Warriors! You have the whole season, Fournier etc to add to the record! Awesome! Thanks for being a great rep for MU!
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Thanks for all the memories, Markus, and congratulations.
Saw GT and he was great as well.
Each in their own way. Just appreciate them.
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I don't think the 3 would have much of George's game in college. He made 101 over his 5 years in the ABA, at a 26% clip.
Even without the 3 he was still able to average 27 points per game in 1972.
Maybe if George played in this era he would be more prolific from distance as that is something almost everyone works on.
Back in his day, the 23 footer was a bad shot for most. Especially when one had his ability to turn that 23-footer into a 12-footer, and turn the 12-footers into 4-footers.
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The guy that calls Markus a cancer...
I certainly did!!
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I watched Thompson play on the freshmen team. I do not think the three point line would of added much to his scoring totals. A bigger effect would of been not banning dunking in college basketball. He could dunk his sophomore year and could do a 360 dunk while being covered, which was pretty amazing back then. Starting his junior year dunking was outlawed in college basketball, because Lew Alcinder was too dominate as a sophomore. NCAA changed the rules to try limit Alcinder, but that did not stop UCLA. The bunking ban lasted 10+(?) years.
I think Wade may of been our best scorer, if he had played four years. As a partial qualifiler he had to sit out his freshmen year, but could of played a fourth year if he got his degree in the first four years and went to graduate school.
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I certainly did!!
Without a lick.of evidence you call a 20-year-old who has given 3+ years of his life to MU hoops a "cancer."
You must be proud.
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Without a lick.of evidence
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Yes, you're right. You did provide "evidence" -- your opinion.
I commend you for courage.
Using the cloak of interwebs anonymity, you have impugned the integrity of a 20-year-old person you don't personally know.
You are like Scoop's personal whistleblower, and the grief you have taken for bravely calling Markus Howard a "cancer" shows that you clearly are the one who has been wronged here.
We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Soldier on, sir!
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Yes, you're right. You did provide "evidence" -- your opinion.
I commend you for courage.
Using the cloak of interwebs anonymity, you have impugned the integrity of a 20-year-old person you don't personally know.
You are like Scoop's personal whistleblower, and the grief you have taken for bravely calling Markus Howard a "cancer" shows that you clearly are the one who has been wronged here.
We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Soldier on, sir!
Do you know him?
Do you know Joey Hauser? Sam Hauser? Mr. Hauser?
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Do you know him?
Do you know Joey Hauser? Sam Hauser? Mr. Hauser?
Such a cancer that the only people who left were 2 brothers. The rest stayed. Even two guys who could've left and played elsewhere immediately.
I don't know the Hausers. But what I do know (because the all knowing meat lovers have told us as much) is they wrote a petition and went behind one player's back trying to get the rest of the team to sign their petition. There does seem to have been a cancer (or two) in the locker room last year (unless you think writing a petition and attempting to get all but a single player to sign it is the unfound cure for cancer...really a great thing for a locker room now that I'm thinking about it :o). I wouldn't say it was the guy that a couple of brothers were leaving out of a petition signing.
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No...I did see it. Doesn’t change my position however.
I called the miss before the shot.
Acting pissed doesn’t prove anything.
Doesn’t matter. Happy for MH.
LOL, he didn't miss the free throw on purpose. God some people come up with the dumbest things.
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Do you know him?
Do you know Joey Hauser? Sam Hauser? Mr. Hauser?
There is a lot more evidence to suggest that you are a bigger cancer to Scoop than Markus ever was to Marquette basketball.
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MU82
George was a man playing with boys. No doubt different era's, shot clock, number of games and other factors, but I believe Howard is the greatest pure scorer in school history. That said, I still believe today, he is not a top ten all time player in school history.
Who would be in your top ten, Goose?
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Dominic James has some comments on the "Cancer"
https://twitter.com/NeekAndAng/status/1192853955501600769?s=20
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That is awesome! Nic is a class act.
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Do you know him?
Do you know Joey Hauser? Sam Hauser? Mr. Hauser?
Brave sir:
If you can find evidence of me calling any of the Hausers -- or any other Marquette players ever -- "cancers," I would like to see it.
That's just about the worst thing anybody can call an athlete, and to do so to a college student, without any basis of fact ... well, as I said, you are true profile in courage.
I'd be much more impressed with your courage if you said that to Markus' face, but still, we are fortunate to have such a brave soul here.
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Ben Steele with the best congratulatory tweet of them all:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1191902482894639104
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Ben Steele with the best congratulatory tweet of them all:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1191902482894639104
The number of Ben Steele followers that didn't get that is disgraceful.