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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
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Osa made it official tonight. The 6'9" forward is a consensus top-100 player & ranked as high as #57 by 247 Sports. Welcome to Marquette, Osa!
https://twitter.com/_oso_i/status/1172330468068380673?s=21
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Welcome, Oso! (Apparently his nickname is Oso)
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What a wonderful signing. This class is off to a great start. Getting some high quality kids so far.
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Good work coaching staff. Welcome Osa
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Yeah baby!!
Welcome to MU!!
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A point forward who can guard 5 positions. A synopsis of the scouting reports. And really smart. Obviously.
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Definitely need the its happening gifs!!!!
And kudos to Stan and staff.
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Not a slurper but slurpin tonite 😂😂😂
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Welcome to MU Oso!
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Welcome, Oso! (Apparently his nickname is Oso)
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Ahem
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Welcome to Marquette!!
We have a great class lining up!
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Welcome to MU......
Oh look...Mark Miller's CB pick from early August was right.
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We have nice winter coats for you here in Milwaukee!
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Great news - congratulations and welcome!
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We have radio OSO where I live 8-)
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Noice.
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Welcome to MU......
Oh look...Mark Miller's CB pick from early August was right.
Hope his Dawson Garcia pick follows suit.
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Really exciting player whose stock has risen rapidly. Congrats to Wojo and Stan, fingers crossed for a dream class!
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2 great players!! lets add Dawson and RJ to make this class one of the best in the country
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He's the next Paul Pressey!(for those of you old enough to remember who he was)
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Welcome to MU!
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Sounds like a plan. Let’s just hope he doesn’t take three steps to do everything.
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Sounds like a plan. Let’s just hope he doesn’t take three steps to do everything.
NBA material, hey?
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Welcome, Osa! Great news for the coaching staff and program. Next year’s class is taking shape.
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Woop woop!
Another outstanding get by Wojo and his crew.
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Welcome to MU Osa.
Tremendous news for all. We have been in need of a pogo stick athletic type with great Court vision. Best part is Osa is a team oriented player who can guard multiple positions.
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2 great players!! lets add Dawson and RJ to make this class one of the best in the country
Oso a phenomenal get, adding those two would be like throwing kerosene on a bonfire. Got a great feeling on the direction of this program
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Very nice! Another strong pickup for this class.
Just be patient with Osa. A high ceiling but he will need some time to reach it. Adding strength and improving jumpshot are key.
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Strong Addition! I like where this class is heading. Keep it rollin’!
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Yahoo! Great news at last. Welcome Oso. Congratulations Coach.
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Welcome Oso. Another Big Block for our 2020 Foundation. Welcome to the family.
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Oso a phenomenal get, adding those two would be like throwing kerosene on a bonfire. Got a great feeling on the direction of this program
I very much like the direction too especially if we get Davis or García. Welcome Osa! Look forward to watching you play!
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3 out of 5--Pickem'-- Garcia, Davis, Hawkins, Suggs, or Hoggard
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I very much like the direction too especially if we get Davis or García. Welcome Osa! Look forward to watching you play!
Osa has a great handle and can play wing, lots of room for him on the court with Lewis and Garcia. When Stan says it was a good week, he knows about what he speaks.
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3 out of 5--Pickem'-- Garcia, Davis, Hawkins, Suggs, or Hoggard
Pure speculation, but I think that Hawkins may have been squeezed out by Osa as they are similar players, but feel free to substitute in Javonte Brown-Ferguson for him, and party on.
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Pure speculation, but I think that Hawkins may have been squeezed out by Osa as they are similar players, but feel free to substitute in Javonte Brown-Ferguson for him, and party on.
Agreed on JBF. Big fan of him
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Zed??
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Zed??
Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.
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Love it. Welcome Mr. Ighodaro
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Welcome to MU......
Oh look...Mark Miller's CB pick from early August was right.
Nice job Mr. Miller. ;)
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Sounds like a plan. Let’s just hope he doesn’t take three steps to do everything.
I see what you did there.
Three special steps.
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Ahem
Big Daddy Chili called this days ago. Next up UB!
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Four-star Osasere Ighodaro commits to Marquette
By EVAN DANIELS 4 hours ago
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Osasere-Ighodaro-commits-to-Marquette-135522930/
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Versatile forward commits to Marquette's 2020 recruiting class
BEN STEELE | MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL | 4 hours ago
https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/2307147001?__twitter_impression=true
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Welcome to MU Osa. Nice get for the program. I’m feeling greedy...let’s get a few more!
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Welcome to Warrior Nation Oso!
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OSA!!!
<smashes glass>
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Osa can you see
Marquette winning each night ...
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He's the next Paul Pressey!(for those of you old enough to remember who he was)
The original "point forward", as I recall. For the Bucks. Played the Nellie, of the fish tie. :-)
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The original "point forward", as I recall. For the Bucks. Played the Nellie, of the fish tie. :-)
The fish tie. Ah yes, an all time classic
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When players can get paid, Oso Brewing can pay Oso.
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The original "point forward", as I recall. For the Bucks. Played the Nellie, of the fish tie. :-)
He might have been the first to be called a "point forward." Larry Bird was a pretty good one before that, though.
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When players can get paid, Oso Brewing can pay Oso.
Kohler has Theo John all lined up.
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He might have been the first to be called a "point forward." Larry Bird was a pretty good one before that, though.
Magic was the original point forward.
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The original "point forward", as I recall. For the Bucks. Played the Nellie, of the fish tie. :-)
Marques Johnson claims he and Nelson coined the phrase during the 1984 playoffs, when due to injuries, Marques ran the offense from his forward position.
Del Harris was an assistant to Nelson when Pressey was playing.
Harris said he called Pressey a point forward after he had originally used the term with the Rockets for Rick Barry and Robert Reid in the early 80's.
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Kohler has Theo John all lined up.
BRAVO
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Magic was the original point forward.
Most folks consider Magic the best point guard ever. I don't know anybody who ever claimed he was a forward, not on offense anyway.
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Marques Johnson claims he and Nelson coined the phrase during the 1984 playoffs, when due to injuries, Marques ran the offense from his forward position.
Del Harris was an assistant to Nelson when Pressey was playing.
Harris said he called Pressey a point forward after he had originally used the term with the Rockets for Rick Barry and Robert Reid in the early 80's.
There was a quote in SI when Pressey was at Tulsa by an opposing coach saying that Pressey was so quick he could play tennis against himself.
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Most folks consider Magic the best point guard ever. I don't know anybody who ever claimed he was a forward, not on offense anyway.
Though, he really played more like a point forward. He was all over the place. Great rebounder as he averaged 7.6 rpg for his collegiate seasons. Was at the SLC F4 in ‘79 for the Magic/Bird/Aguirre fest. Magic was beyond just a PG. He even played center in the playoffs for the Lakers
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Though, he really played more like a point forward. He was all over the place. Great rebounder as he averaged 7.6 rpg for his collegiate seasons. Was at the SLC F4 in ‘79 for the Magic/Bird/Aguirre fest. Magic was beyond just a PG. He even played center in the playoffs for the Lakers
Strong argument could be made for Magic as GOAT
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I'm not a big fan of the silly semantic arguments, but ...
Magic is regarded by most as the greatest PG ever.
Just because he was tall and he could rebound and play D against bigger guys -- and even play center in one of the most memorable NBA Finals performances ever -- doesn't mean he wasn't a guard on offense.
Those who can't tell the difference between the way Magic played PG and the way Pressey, Pippen and Bird played point forward ... come on!
Good thing I'm not a fan of silly semantic arguments, eh? 8-)
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I like how the perceived skillsets of Oso and Lewis will complement each other.
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I'm not a big fan of the silly semantic arguments, but ...
Magic is regarded by most as the greatest PG ever.
Just because he was tall and he could rebound and play D against bigger guys -- and even play center in one of the most memorable NBA Finals performances ever -- doesn't mean he wasn't a guard on offense.
Those who can't tell the difference between the way Magic played PG and the way Pressey, Pippen and Bird played point forward ... come on!
Good thing I'm not a fan of silly semantic arguments, eh? 8-)
Magic was a "switchable."
/ducks/
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Magic was a "switchable."
/ducks/
Yep.
PS, Magic usually did not guard the opposing PG either. Not really a lot different than LeBron or Giannis.
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Yep.
PS, Magic usually did not guard the opposing PG either. Not really a lot different than LeBron or Giannis.
Or KD
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Yep.
PS, Magic usually did not guard the opposing PG either. Not really a lot different than LeBron or Giannis.
That was Byron Scott's or Michael Cooper's job.
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Yep.
PS, Magic usually did not guard the opposing PG either. Not really a lot different than LeBron or Giannis.
Except Magic had the basketball from beginning to end every game -- certainly every playoff game.
And no matter how good they are (and they are great) nobody ever will call LeBron or Giannis PGs.
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Except Magic had the basketball from beginning to end every game -- certainly every playoff game.
And no matter how good they are (and they are great) nobody ever will call LeBron or Giannis PGs.
Agreed MU82. Magic was a true point guard. Perhaps it was because back then positions were more clearly defined, but I've never thought of or heard anyone refer to Magic as anything but a point guard. (and I'm well aware of him playing center in the finals)
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Agreed MU82. Magic was a true point guard. Perhaps it was because back then positions were more clearly defined, but I've never thought of or heard anyone refer to Magic as anything but a point guard. (and I'm well aware of him playing center in the finals)
Most of those rebounds and inside hoops in college were not from the PG position (he could not shoot outside in college). He really. was the first point forward, just did not have the nomenclature then.
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A little delayed - Scholarship table updated
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
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A little delayed - Scholarship table updated
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
Shouldn't Ike be removed from the Table?
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I like how the perceived skillsets of Oso and Lewis will complement each other.
And complement Theo, with the ability to stretch the defense and defend multiple positions. The biggest question mark might be on the boards. We'll be losing two stud rebounders in Ed and Jayce. That's where Garcia would really help.
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A little delayed - Scholarship table updated
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655)
Hopefully it needs updating again soon!
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Hopefully it needs updating again soon!
Is this hinting at something or...?
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Is this hinting at something or...?
Not hinting at anything. No inside knowledge. Just hoping.
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Hopefully it needs updating again soon!
Yep. Tommy in, Ike out.
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Desmond Polk getting a fourth look?
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From Rivals........question...." which player outside the top 75 is undervalued?"
McDonald: I believe I've used him before in another roundtable, but I'm going Osasere Ighodaro, who committed to Marquette on Thursday. I love the upside that he possesses. He's 6-foot-9 with great length and athleticism and you can see the skill level coming along every time he steps on the court. With some added strength and good weight when he gets to college, he has a really bright future and will outplay his current ranking.
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Thanks Mark—great stuff as always.
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From Rivals........question...." which player outside the top 75 is undervalued?"
McDonald: I believe I've used him before in another roundtable, but I'm going Osasere Ighodaro, who committed to Marquette on Thursday. I love the upside that he possesses. He's 6-foot-9 with great length and athleticism and you can see the skill level coming along every time he steps on the court. With some added strength and good weight when he gets to college, he has a really bright future and will outplay his current ranking.
Thanks, Mark. Oso appears to have 5* potential.
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From Rivals........question...." which player outside the top 75 is undervalued?"
McDonald: I believe I've used him before in another roundtable, but I'm going Osasere Ighodaro, who committed to Marquette on Thursday. I love the upside that he possesses. He's 6-foot-9 with great length and athleticism and you can see the skill level coming along every time he steps on the court. With some added strength and good weight when he gets to college, he has a really bright future and will outplay his current ranking.
Love, love, love reading this!
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I see what you did there.
Three special steps.
Did you ever get the feeling that "Special" is being used in the manner it is in "Special Olympics" because I just can't shake this thought that Mr. Dos is putting Oso through these "adventures" simply for the amusement of the real agents.
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Good stuff from Ben
https://twitter.com/js_goldeneagles/status/1174813933502423043?s=21
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Good stuff from Ben
https://twitter.com/js_goldeneagles/status/1174813933502423043?s=21
Wtf they took away the X amount of free articles and now it's only for subscribers?
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Someone post the darn thing plz
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He wants people to know it's Oso not Osa.
It's going to be fun watching him play and grow at Marquette. Lot's of talk about his ball handling skills, hope that is all true and holds at the D1 level.
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From JSOnline Twitter:
Osasere "Oso" Ighodaro, a versatile 6-9, 190-pounder from Phoenix, is the second player to commit to Marquette's 2020 basketball recruiting class.
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I noticed the article was put behind pay wall at MJS, even if you have free articles left this month.
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I noticed the article was put behind pay wall at MJS, even if you have free articles left this month.
99 cents a month gets you all the MUBB coverage the JS puts out. Can't imagine there's too many people on scoop who can't afford that.
https://offers.jsonline.com/digitaloffer?gps-source=CPNEWS&utm_medium=onsite&utm_source=news&utm_campaign=NEWSROOM&utm_content=CPNEWS
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99 cents a month gets you all the MUBB coverage the JS puts out. Can't imagine there's too many people on scoop who can't afford that.
https://offers.jsonline.com/digitaloffer?gps-source=CPNEWS&utm_medium=onsite&utm_source=news&utm_campaign=NEWSROOM&utm_content=CPNEWS
Thanks for the info. Will do, better than the Athletic subscription.
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Here is a shot of Ouzo for Oso.
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I look forward to the legend of "the bear"
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99 cents a month gets you all the MUBB coverage the JS puts out. Can't imagine there's too many people on scoop who can't afford that.
I finally broke down and got a digital subscription, mostly for the Journal Sentinel's MU coverage. Hard to beat the price; it's far less than what you'd pay for the physical paper 10 years ago.
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Dat's 'bout all its worth doe, hey?
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The Journal Sentinel offers coverage of MU basketball you can't find elsewhere: interviews with Wojo and the players, recruiting articles, etc. Steele does good work. I think it's well worth it.
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99 cents a month gets you all the MUBB coverage the JS puts out.
99¢ per month for 3 months, then $7.99 per month*
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99¢ per month for 3 months, then $7.99 per month*
Good point. Still a pretty good deal. About 26 cents a day. You could always subscribe starting in November and cancel after the NCAA tournament.
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Good point. Still a pretty good deal. About 26 cents a day. You could always subscribe starting in November and cancel after the NCAA tournament.
Those digital subscription deals change all the time. Two years in a row I got .99/mo for 12 months deal.
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This is gr=rrrrrrreeeaaatt!
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Why bump this?
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Enjoy
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/1220444340318867458?s=21
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Enjoy
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/1220444340318867458?s=21
He has a fun set of tools. Definitely excited to see him on campus
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Seems like a great kid with great tools. Like Garcia, he is going to have to bulk up to handle the Big East physicality.
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Seems like a great kid with great tools. Like Garcia, he is going to have to bulk up to handle the Big East physicality.
Yep, but I love having two bigs who can handle the ball and pass from up top.
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Enjoy
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/1220444340318867458?s=21
I loved every minute of that video. It checked all the boxes.
Long, athletic,, skilled, articulate, intelligent, and personable kid. Check.
Multiple references to Marquette. Check
Reference to Markus Howard. Check.
Reference to Marquettes top ten recruiting class. Check.
Thanks for the link......It made my day.
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Yep, but I love having two bigs who can handle the ball and pass from up top.
Me, too. Picture Osa, Garcia, and Bailey in the floor together.
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Me, too. Picture Osa, Garcia, and Bailey in the floor together.
Not a critique, just so we get it right by the time he gets here (no more Marcus, Sakar, O'Tule etc): It's Oso.
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His nickname is Oso. The contraction of his first name is Osa.
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I can bearly wait for Oso to get here
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I can bearly wait for Oso to get here
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Now that I hear his name pronounced in the interview, is his nickname ‘The Sorcerer’?
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Me, too. Picture Osa, Garcia, and Bailey in the floor together.
With Mane
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With Mane
Koby
Mane
Bailey
Garcia
Theo
Pretty nice.
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Koby
Mane
Bailey
Garcia
Theo
Pretty nice.
I have to imagine we lose Cain and/or Elliott in that instance. Can't imagine they'd be thrilled being bench players to two freshmen.
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I have to imagine we lose Cain and/or Elliott in that instance. Can't imagine they'd be thrilled being bench players to two freshmen.
Possible. I think only Koby and Bailey are playing 30 mpg though.
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I have to imagine we lose Cain and/or Elliott in that instance. Can't imagine they'd be thrilled being bench players to two freshmen.
I think it's more likely Elliott stays around at least one more year. He could be positioned to grad transfer in 2 years. Burning a year of eligibility to sit out makes little sense.
He'd also be in higher demand as a grad transfer, IMO.
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I think it's more likely Elliott stays around at least one more year. He could be positioned to grad transfer in 2 years. Burning a year of eligibility to sit out makes little sense.
He'd also be in higher demand as a grad transfer, IMO.
Makes sense.
If I were an athlete (or an athlete's parent), I would not love being recruited over. But it's life, and every athlete knows it's a possibility. I'd hate to see Cain and Elliott go because they seem like great kids, and they provide a lot of energy and intangibles when they are healthy and on their games, and it would be great to have that kind of depth. But I wouldn't blame them if they left, and I'd wish them well.
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Anyone else think it's a bit premature to pencil in two Freshman (including one who hasn't even committed yet) into the starting line-up? Even taking high school rankings and accolades I would still expect Elliott and Cain to be starting over (possibly) Mane and Garcia, at least in November.
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Yes.
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Anyone else think it's a bit premature to pencil in two Freshman (including one who hasn't even committed yet) into the starting line-up? Even taking high school rankings and accolades I would still expect Elliott and Cain to be starting over (possibly) Mane and Garcia, at least in November.
Unsure. I'm sure Bailey will start, I'm sure Koby will. If we get Mane, it's very hard to believe a person penciled as a second rounder wouldn't get the nod over Greg or Symir (or dexter). Cains been awesome so far but inconsistent, and I could definitely see him taking a back seat to Garcia if Garcia adapts into the college speed quickly.
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Unsure. I'm sure Bailey will start, I'm sure Koby will. If we get Mane, it's very hard to believe a person penciled as a second rounder wouldn't get the nod over Greg or Symir (or dexter). Cains been awesome so far but inconsistent, and I could definitely see him taking a back seat to Garcia if Garcia adapts into the college speed quickly.
Future 1st round pick Nassir Little didn't start a collegiate game and averaged less than 20 mpg. NBA drafts on potential, starting in college is a "what can you do for me now" business.
I know what the statistics and our numbers regarding transfers are, but Jr Jamal has been behind Soph BB all year, and there haven't been any rumors about him going anywhere. When healthy GE is either 1st or 2nd off the bench (depending on how fast Theo picks up his first 2 fouls). Writing them off as future transfers is foolish, especially when one of the players "running them off" is still an undecided recruit.
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I think it's more likely Elliott stays around at least one more year. He could be positioned to grad transfer in 2 years. Burning a year of eligibility to sit out makes little sense.
He'd also be in higher demand as a grad transfer, IMO.
Cain will be a senior next year, he is going to nowhere unless he leaves this summer, he is a nice backup but that is all I see. Elliott has been hurt so much it is hard
to figure him out right now, I see him getting a chance to start next year but it will not be easy if Mane is that good.
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Future 1st round pick Nassir Little didn't start a collegiate game and averaged less than 20 mpg. NBA drafts on potential, starting in college is a "what can you do for me now" business.
I know what the statistics and our numbers regarding transfers are, but Jr Jamal has been behind Soph BB all year, and there haven't been any rumors about him going anywhere. When healthy GE is either 1st or 2nd off the bench (depending on how fast Theo picks up his first 2 fouls). Writing them off as future transfers is foolish, especially when one of the players "running them off" is still an undecided recruit.
Which is why I qualified all of my statements with words like "if we get" "I have to imagine" "it's very hard to believe" no writing off anyone here
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I have to imagine we lose Cain and/or Elliott in that instance. Can't imagine they'd be thrilled being bench players to two freshmen.
I don't think there's an "or" option there. I expect Greg & Jamal to stick together whatever they do. Considering Jamal wasn't even one of the transfer rumors this year before the Hausers left, I think he'll finish his career here, and as others have mentioned, Greg makes more sense to grad transfer.
Either way, if one stays, I think both stay.
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I already feel bad for speculating about possible transfers as I did a few posts ago.
I like Cain -- been one of my faves this year for how much he has improved and bought in -- and I also like Elliott. I hope they are Warriors next season.
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I have to imagine we lose Cain and/or Elliott in that instance. Can't imagine they'd be thrilled being bench players to two freshmen.
My point was, I don't think that Mane and Garcia would come in and start over a Senior and a 4th year Junior from day 1, and unless you're a projected lottery you shouldn't expect to. Depending on what happens with our lat two open scholarships (i.e. grad transfers), I would bet the starting 5 come November is; Koby, Greg, Jamal, Bailey, and Theo.
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My point was, I don't think that Mane and Garcia would come in and start over a Senior and a 4th year Junior from day 1, and unless you're a projected lottery you shouldn't expect to. Depending on what happens with our lat two open scholarships (i.e. grad transfers), I would bet the starting 5 come November is; Koby, Greg, Jamal, Bailey, and Theo.
I would bet that is not our starting lineup from day 1.
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I would bet that is not our starting lineup from day 1.
Garcia will start and play max minutes I’m thinking. No way Mane would commit here to come off the bench either.
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Wojo has started freshmen when they are clearly better than the more seasoned player. Markus Howard started over Duane Wilson. Joey Hauser started over Jamal last year.
At best Jamal Cain has been inconsistent since he has arrived at MU. Elliott has been injury prone and doesn't exactly light it up offensively. Having Garcia and Mane start over them is not outside the realm of possibilities by any stretch.
Hell, I can even see Justin Lewis backing up Garcia and Cain backing up Bailey.
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And I think the only grad transfer we try to get is a back up to Theo. No way we add two. Maybe a traditional transfer at guard though.
Point: Koby, Symir
Guard: Mane, Elliott, Akanno
Forwards: Garcia, Bailey, Lewis, Cain, Osa
Post: Theo, Grad Transfer
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Wojo has started freshmen when they are clearly better than the more seasoned player. Markus Howard started over Duane Wilson. Joey Hauser started over Jamal last year.
At best Jamal Cain has been inconsistent since he has arrived at MU. Elliott has been injury prone and doesn't exactly light it up offensively. Having Garcia and Mane start over them is not outside the realm of possibilities by any stretch.
Future All-American over someone who wasn't the coach's recruit and a red-shirt Freshman over a Sophomore is different than a pair of Freshman over a Senior and a red-shirt Junior.
I'm delighted that Garcia is on-board, and a really hope we get Mane, but this kind of over-hyping of players that 1.) aren't even on campus yet, and 2.) may not even go here, usually leads to disappointment. Garcia and Mane have combined to play 0 collegiate minutes, personally I'd rather set my expectations low (no matter how highly their currently ranked) and be pleasantly surprised, rather then state that they will "start and play max minutes" and be disappointed. I would hope I don't have to remind people of the last time a Freshman stretch 4 started and played big minutes.
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Future All-American over someone who wasn't the coach's recruit and a red-shirt Freshman over a Sophomore is different than a pair of Freshman over a Senior and a red-shirt Junior.
A senior who has started a total of five games and never played more than 20 mpg over the course of a season not to mention playing a different position, and a redshirt junior who has missed significant parts of his career due to injury.
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A senior who has started a total of five games and never played more than 20 mpg over the course of a season not to mention playing a different position, and a redshirt junior who has missed significant parts of his career due to injury.
1,180 (and counting) more collegiate minutes than Garcia, and unless Greg's injuries cause long term deficiencies (i.e. Fulce's knees, or Teve's back) they will have 0 impact on his starting or not next November.
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A senior who has started a total of five games and never played more than 20 mpg over the course of a season not to mention playing a different position, and a redshirt junior who has missed significant parts of his career due to injury.
Versus two guys who have NBA draft profiles.
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1,180 (and counting) more collegiate minutes than Garcia, and unless Greg's injuries cause long term deficiencies (i.e. Fulce's knees, or Teve's back) they will have 0 impact on his starting or not next November.
Playing more minutes doesn't necessarily make you a better player.
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And I think the only grad transfer we try to get is a back up to Theo. No way we add two. Maybe a traditional transfer at guard though.
Point: Koby, Symir
Guard: Mane, Elliott, Akanno
Forwards: Garcia, Bailey, Lewis, Cain, Osa
Post: Theo, Grad Transfer
Could use a grad transfer role player PG as well. Pretty thin at the point - I like Symir, but I don't think Koby is a true point at all.
I could see Cain looking at that depth at the forward spot and not loving his fit. But not sure he's going to want to sit 1 to play 1.
I hope Wojo is able to land a legit traditional transfer as well. I hate burning scholarships.
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A senior who has started a total of five games and never played more than 20 mpg over the course of a season not to mention playing a different position, and a redshirt junior who has missed significant parts of his career due to injury.
Not to mention the hole in the argument that Joey was a "redshirt" freshman. Sure, he technically was. But it was what was supposed to be his freshman year, and would've been his freshman year had he not decided to rehab his ankle at MU for a semester rather than in Stephens Point.
Nothing Elliott or Cain have done has shown us they are more than bench guys (which are important players to have).
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Playing more minutes doesn't necessarily make you a better player.
It does make you a more experienced player though, which many times is more important. I'm not disputing straight up who has more talent, just pointing out that (everywhere not just at MU) new players have an acclimatization period. Remember when everyone was writing off Jayce back in November, and now he is having a significant impact.
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Could use a grad transfer role player PG as well. Pretty thin at the point - I like Symir, but I don't think Koby is a true point at all.
I could see Cain looking at that depth at the forward spot and not loving his fit. But not sure he's going to want to sit 1 to play 1.
I hope Wojo is able to land a legit traditional transfer as well. I hate burning scholarships.
Koby has looked very good at the point the last 2 games.
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Koby, Symir & Elliott are enough PG depth.
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It does make you a more experienced player though, which many times is more important. I'm not disputing straight up who has more talent, just pointing out that (everywhere not just at MU) new players have an acclimatization period. Remember when everyone was writing off Jayce back in November, and now he is having significant impact.
I certainly don't think everyone was writing him off. I know I personally expected him to be our best big, but when he injured his knee I thought it'd take a month or two for him to get fully back into the swing of things, especially being a new player and still getting comfortable in his role. It took him a few weeks, that's for sure.
Koby, Symir & Elliott are enough PG depth.
This. Plus Mane could play some, and possibly Dexter but not sure about that.
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Koby, Symir & Elliott are enough PG depth.
Exactly. It's pretty obvious that Wojo doesn't necessarily want a "true PG" anyway.
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Koby has looked very good at the point the last 2 games.
He has. But he looked genuinely terrible the majority of the previous 15 games. I suppose if Mane is actually around, there are plenty of guys that can play point, but not sure I am quite ready to assume he's coming to MU.
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Exactly. It's pretty obvious that Wojo doesn't necessarily want a "true PG" anyway.
And he has said that since he got here. He values space over paint touches with his system. And his offenses have performed at top levels.
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I won't predict who will start -- especially if one of the subjects we're all talkin' about is a guy who might never step foot on the Marquette campus again. Plus, who starts isn't all that important.
I fully expect Garcia to get plenty of minutes next season, as will Mane if he joins our Warriors. If Lewis is as tough as advertised, we have a need for that, too. I mean, even Cain averaged 17 mpg as a freshman, and Joey averaged 29, so it's not crazy to think Wojo will give these highly regarded athletes 20 or more.
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I won't predict who will start -- especially if one of the subjects we're all talkin' about is a guy who might never step foot on the Marquette campus again. Plus, who starts isn't all that important.
I fully expect Garcia to get plenty of minutes next season, as will Mane if he joins our Warriors. If Lewis is as tough as advertised, we have a need for that, too. I mean, even Cain averaged 17 mpg as a freshman, and Joey averaged 29, so it's not crazy to think Wojo will give these highly regarded athletes 20 or more.
Yup. Sam averaged almost 27 mpg as a frosh as well. Wojo is not afraid to play frosh.
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Future All-American over someone who wasn't the coach's recruit and a red-shirt Freshman over a Sophomore is different than a pair of Freshman over a Senior and a red-shirt Junior.
I'm delighted that Garcia is on-board, and a really hope we get Mane, but this kind of over-hyping of players that 1.) aren't even on campus yet, and 2.) may not even go here, usually leads to disappointment. Garcia and Mane have combined to play 0 collegiate minutes, personally I'd rather set my expectations low (no matter how highly their currently ranked) and be pleasantly surprised, rather then state that they will "start and play max minutes" and be disappointed. I would hope I don't have to remind people of the last time a Freshman stretch 4 started and played big minutes.
Markus also played over coaches recruits Rowsey and Carter. there's always a qualifying statement I just don't think it's set in stone either way.
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Could we see a lineup down the line where Dawson, Oso and Lewis? Can they all play together or will they be this millennium’s Curry, Key & Mac?
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Could we see a lineup down the line where Dawson, Oso and Lewis? Can they all play together or will they be this millennium’s Curry, Key & Mac?
If one of them is able to defend the other team's 5 I don't see why this lineup couldn't be possible. Might depend on the type of lineup the other team deploys.
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Could we see a lineup down the line where Dawson, Oso and Lewis? Can they all play together or will they be this millennium’s Curry, Key & Mac?
I’m sure against a Creighton or Villanova type team they could
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If one of them is able to defend the other team's 5 I don't see why this lineup couldn't be possible. Might depend on the type of lineup the other team deploys.
Or they play 2,3,4 and Theo/Grad Tx/Bailey cover the 5. Though to the original question, I'd say possible, but not very probable. And if it does happen, it's either VERY good for MU, or in trash time as an experiment.
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Killings thinks thinks they can all play together.....I assume he is speaking for the staff. Now how much that happens.....and if it happens right away we will have to see.
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I certainly don't think everyone was writing him off. I know I personally expected him to be our best big
You might not have written him off, but our fanbase in general has a tendency to be overly critical of players new to our system in November, and then end up looking a bit foolish when they end up being critical cogs later in the season (Jayce, Katin, Carlino, Lockett).
Again, love out incoming class, and would love it even more if Mane decides to come, I just think it would be wise to incorporate them slowly, rather than immediately expecting big things. It's no coincidence that the two schools that are known for playing the most and best Freshman both have "buy game" losses in November. The freshman wall is also a real thing, and Joey hitting it definitely contributed to our collapse last year. An argument can be made that any other scholarship player playing down the stretch of Creighton and we win that game and the conference.
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Koby, Symir & Elliott are enough PG depth.
Don’t forget about Dexter. He’ll be a redshirt freshman.
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Elliott 6'3
Torrence 6'3
Akanno 6'4
McEwen 6'4
Mane 6'5
Cain 6'7
Lewis 6'7
Bailey 6'8
Ighodaro 6'9
John 6'9
Garcia 6'11
Yes please
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Elliott 6'3
Torrence 6'3
Akanno 6'4
McEwen 6'4
Mane 6'5
Cain 6'7
Lewis 6'7
Bailey 6'8
Ighodaro 6'9
John 6'9
Garcia 6'11
Yes please
First time in a while we won't have a guy under 5'10
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Switchables who can shoot, pass, and handle the ball. And one post player.
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Elliott 6'3
Torrence 6'3
Akanno 6'4
McEwen 6'4
Mane 6'5
Cain 6'7
Lewis 6'7
Bailey 6'8
Ighodaro 6'9
John 6'9
Garcia 6'11
Yes please
So who will be the team leader (Captain)?
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McEwen and Bailey
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So who will be the team leader (Captain)?
Theo ?
If I was going to war I'd follow him.
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Elliott 6'3
Torrence 6'3
Akanno 6'4
McEwen 6'4
Mane 6'5
Cain 6'7
Lewis 6'7
Bailey 6'8
Ighodaro 6'9
John 6'9
Garcia 6'11
Yes please
Plus ~7' grad transfer Jayce Replacement and we won't miss a beat
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Koby, Symir & Elliott are enough PG depth.
And Dexter and Mane next year.
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https://twitter.com/arizonapreps/status/1225184224157650945?s=21
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https://twitter.com/arizonapreps/status/1225184224157650945?s=21
Stat stuffer.
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I know it’s just high school competition but I’m a big fan of the chase down block......love the effort
https://twitter.com/coachpatj/status/1225495872336748544?s=21
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I know it’s just high school competition but I’m a big fan of the chase down block......love the effort
https://twitter.com/coachpatj/status/1225495872336748544?s=21
Yeah, but that pass leading to the turnover. Green light on that hotdogging?
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And Dexter and Mane next year.
Mane a PG?
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Mane a PG?
Yep.
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Good night for OSA in a win.....
https://www.maxpreps.com/games/2-7-2020/basketball-winter-19-20/corona-del-sol-vs-desert-vista.htm?c=3GeP3RzziEOErIJeDbKQUQ