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Title: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on August 22, 2019, 10:59:07 AM
All:

Here is the place you can take your personal vendattas against each other and have a safe space that is quarantined away from the rest of us that actually want to talk about recruiting, Marquette basketball, or any other topics relevant to the university and basketball program.

Leave the real talk about basketball to the rest of us. 

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 22, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jsglow on August 22, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 22, 2019, 11:10:14 AM
Superbar
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 22, 2019, 11:37:23 AM
When do we get to the feats of strength?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 22, 2019, 11:42:07 AM
When do we get to the feats of strength?

December 23rd.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 22, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 22, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
Going to play some golf and then have a few beers.

Odds that this thread is still open when I check back later?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 22, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
I love everybody.   There are just some posters I choose to not read. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on August 22, 2019, 12:18:43 PM
Going to play some golf and then have a few beers.

Odds that this thread is still open when I check back later?

Slim to none. Just frustrated with the stupidity of the recruiting thread at this point. I get excited when I see updates there, but when I open it, just the same old tropes and gripes. No actual recruiting news.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 22, 2019, 12:37:43 PM
Festivus wasnt funny 20 years ago and it still isnt funny.

Crean sucks
Nd sucks
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TallTitan34 on August 22, 2019, 12:39:06 PM
In before the lock.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Dawson Rental on August 22, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Everything is beautiful in its own way
Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day
Everybody's beautiful in their own way
Under God's heaven, the world's Scoop's gonna find a way
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Litehouse on August 22, 2019, 01:14:58 PM
This seems like a good time to mention my pet peeve... 
Excessive use of quoting other posts, which makes the board less readable.  Especially people who write the second post in the thread and quote the first one.  It's pretty clear what you're commenting on, no need to quote it.  Also, people that quote extremely long posts when only a small part of it is relevant.  You could delete the other parts and make things easier on everyone.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jficke13 on August 22, 2019, 01:24:53 PM
Sports talk radio is terrible. Barstool sports being successful makes no sense. Everyone hates Boston sports bros, so why the heck are we trying to export the worst of their qualities to the world.

Wait, is that not the right kind of grievances to air?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 22, 2019, 01:26:09 PM
We all end up as dust.

Now that sucks....
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on August 22, 2019, 01:30:05 PM
Going to play some golf and then have a few beers.

Odds that this thread is still open when I check back later?

How many are a few!?!

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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 22, 2019, 01:39:58 PM
This seems like a good time to mention my pet peeve... 
Excessive use of quoting other posts, which makes the board less readable.  Especially people who write the second post in the thread and quote the first one.  It's pretty clear what you're commenting on, no need to quote it.  Also, people that quote extremely long posts when only a small part of it is relevant.  You could delete the other parts and make things easier on everyone.

If you think this is bad you should see a similar forum I'm on where the quotes go back three people. It's so confusing.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?board=2.0
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 22, 2019, 01:57:30 PM
Serious question. What is the deal with the endless Crean sucks and ND sucks posts?

Same posters saying the same stupid drivel. Is there something im missing?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on August 22, 2019, 02:17:13 PM
Is there something im missing?

There’s a lot you miss
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on August 22, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
Glow, just got off the course so of course you beat me to it, but my immediate thought was of Festivus (which was, contrary to the above poster, funny).

Jock, it would be well worth your while to explore the Ignore function. It has improved my life significantly.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on August 22, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
Sports talk radio is terrible. Barstool sports being successful makes no sense. Everyone hates Boston sports bros, so why the heck are we trying to export the worst of their qualities to the world.

Wait, is that not the right kind of grievances to air?

This is a highly great take.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 22, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
There’s a lot you miss

beat me to it jB-i don't know if there are any pictures of this but hard to pass up a high hangin curve ball
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 22, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
Glow, just got off the course so of course you beat me to it, but my immediate thought was of Festivus (which was, contrary to the above poster, funny).

Jock, it would be well worth your while to explore the Ignore function. It has improved my life significantly.

Maybe you’re right.

I only have the brain surgeon on ignore - maybe I need to increase the list.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: source? on August 22, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
In before the lock
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on August 22, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
Stopped in between having a life.........No changes
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 22, 2019, 07:25:11 PM
Canada sucks
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 22, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
Maybe you’re right.

I only have the brain surgeon on ignore - maybe I need to increase the list.

we need a "thumbs up" emoji
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 22, 2019, 08:10:10 PM
we need a "thumbs up" emoji

👍
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 22, 2019, 11:06:48 PM
Hey ... thread is still open.

OK, I'll air a couple of grievances ...

The 4th hole at the course I played today was stoopid. And I'm not saying that just because I got a snowman on it. Actually, I probably am saying it because of that. Never mind.

I finished my round with my best drive of the day -- 275 yards and as close to dead center as is humanly possible. Me being me, I screwed up from there and had to settle for bogey. So I also have a grievance with my own golfing ability (or lack thereof).

Furthermore, the first beer I had after the round called itself a hazy IPA but it was much more bitter than most hazies I've had. I have a grievance with the brewmaster for not using Mosaic hops.

Finally, I have a grievance with Ron Rivera for playing Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly in a stoopid exhibition game. Both got hurt -- hopefully not seriously, given that they are the two irreplaceable Panthers.

I feel so much better having aired those grievances. Thanks, Jake, for starting this thread.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Sir Lawrence on August 23, 2019, 09:45:50 AM
What value does one obtain by typing the phrase "in before the lock?"  Does it bestow social media credits? 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 23, 2019, 10:04:50 AM
What value does one obtain by typing the phrase "in before the lock?"  Does it bestow social media credits?

None, really.  It's just a more polite way of saying, "Holy crap...this thread is going to be a dumpster fire."
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 23, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
What value does one obtain by typing the phrase "in before the lock?"  Does it bestow social media credits? 

You can trade five "in before the locks" for an Arby's coupon, so there's that, which is nice.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on August 23, 2019, 04:54:40 PM
What value does one obtain by typing the phrase "in before the lock?"  Does it bestow social media credits?

What value does one obtain by posting anything here?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Class71 on August 23, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
What value does one obtain by posting anything here?

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) ?-( ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 23, 2019, 09:37:31 PM
What value does one obtain by posting anything here?

intestinal fortitude-it'll either stop ya up or loosen things up depending on...your intestinal fortitude
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 23, 2019, 10:26:27 PM
intestinal fortitude-it'll either stop ya up or loosen things up depending on...your intestinal fortitude

Same thing with Arby's, tbf.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2019, 03:34:44 AM
Canada sucks

Canadian Tofu eaters suck
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 24, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
i love it when someone has to state-i have-fill-in-the-blank-on ignore. 
        like it's supposed to burn?  just do it and put the toilet seat down man, who cares. 

  fwiw-i don't have anyone on the big IG-i'm tolerant to all opinions, viewpoints, lifestyles, races, creeds, ethnicities, hobbies, professions, free speech, free swim, free stuff, nose hairs, ear hair comb-overs, high brow, low brow, lowenbrau, no brow,  lashes-not caning or cocaining, snowboarders, surfboarders, message boarders, skate boarders, bobsledders, luges,  hockin loogies, breakin wind and #1 down wind, but what the hey-mean people suck
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 24, 2019, 08:25:35 AM

  fwiw-i don't have anyone on the big IG-i'm tolerant to all opinions, viewpoints, lifestyles, races, creeds, ethnicities, hobbies, professions, free speech, free swim, free stuff, nose hairs, ear hair comb-overs, high brow, low brow, lowenbrau, no brow,  lashes-not caning or cocaining, snowboarders, surfboarders, message boarders, skate boarders, bobsledders, luges,  hockin loogies, breakin wind and #1 down wind, but what the hey-mean people suck

Except, apparently for receptionists who wish to shave their heads in support of a friend with cancer.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 24, 2019, 08:32:54 AM
i love it when someone has to state-i have-fill-in-the-blank-on ignore. 
        like it's supposed to burn?  just do it and put the toilet seat down man, who cares. 

  fwiw-i don't have anyone on the big IG-i'm tolerant to all opinions, viewpoints, lifestyles, races, creeds, ethnicities, hobbies, professions, free speech, free swim, free stuff, nose hairs, ear hair comb-overs, high brow, low brow, lowenbrau, no brow,  lashes-not caning or cocaining, snowboarders, surfboarders, message boarders, skate boarders, bobsledders, luges,  hockin loogies, breakin wind and #1 down wind, but what the hey-mean people suck
I love it when someone loudly proclaims they are tolerant to fill-in-the-blank.  And I totally believe them.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 24, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
Except, apparently for receptionists who wish to shave their heads in support of a friend with cancer.

dude, my wife is bald right now just finishing chemo #6 of 12...i am obviously her biggest fan, best friend and husband of 35 years as of last week.  shaving my head was not going to make her feel any better.  even though i am naturally getting  close to being kinda challenged on top of the melon.  does shaving one's head in solidarity with another help the other OR is it a "feel good" move, directing attention to oneself?  i think the later and that is one of the reasons i was not a big fan of MY employee using her "cause" to create a potential distraction in OUR workplace

      but just to be clear, i would have gladly provided her with a wig

    and she could do whatever she wanted to do on her free time

  but as many businesses have a few codes of conduct, uniform, and dress codes-i just did not want her "selfless" and "noble

  statement" to distract from our focus on our patients

  i did not want to hear her or any of us have to explain all day long, to every patient, why my assistant is bald. oh, you must be

such a thoughtful, caring and...blah blah blah... i did NOT prevent her from shaving her head

        but as i stated above, i would have provided her with a wig just as i would have provided a

shirt for someone who wanted to go topless for their friends battle with whatever.   

 you think i'm insensitive?  'splain this one for me

https://time.com/36892/girl-who-shaved-head-to-support-friend-with-cancer-banned-from-school-for-violating-dress-code/


  personally, i don't give a fluck what people do on their time as long as they are nice people



 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on August 24, 2019, 09:22:30 AM
dude, my wife is bald right now just finishing chemo #6 of 12...i am obviously her biggest fan, best friend and husband of 35 years as of last week.  shaving my head was not going to make her feel any better.  even though i am naturally getting  close to being kinda challenged on top of the melon.  does shaving one's head in solidarity with another help the other OR is it a "feel good" move, directing attention to oneself?  i think the later and that is one of the reasons i was not a big fan of MY employee using her "cause" to create a potential distraction in OUR workplace

      but just to be clear, i would have gladly provided her with a wig

    and she could do whatever she wanted to do on her free time

  but as many businesses have a few codes of conduct, uniform, and dress codes-i just did not want her "selfless" and "noble

  statement" to distract from our focus on our patients

  i did not want to hear her or any of us have to explain all day long, to every patient, why my assistant is bald. oh, you must be

such a thoughtful, caring and...blah blah blah... i did NOT prevent her from shaving her head

        but as i stated above, i would have provided her with a wig just as i would have provided a

shirt for someone who wanted to go topless for their friends battle with whatever.   

 you think i'm insensitive?  'splain this one for me

https://time.com/36892/girl-who-shaved-head-to-support-friend-with-cancer-banned-from-school-for-violating-dress-code/


  personally, i don't give a fluck what people do on their time as long as they are nice people

+ tax
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Goose on August 24, 2019, 09:53:06 AM
Unleash

Why the need to throw jabs off rockets post?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 24, 2019, 09:54:12 AM
+ tax

thanks my man!! 
  i don't know who caine's employer is or what he does, but if one is fortunate enough to run a business for over 33 years(60 is i

 count my the anniversary of when my dad started the practice) we sure in the h3ll didn't do it by allowing our employees to use

it as their own little social feel good aquarium.  we've had a number of employees work for us in excess of 30-50(yes they stayed

 on and retired under me) years, all working toward the same goal-success of the practice.  so go they, go the business and it

 sure would not have gone anywhere with me succumbing to all of their own little personal social"crusades".  i don't give a chit

  what they do after they punch out as long as it is lawful and does not put the business in a bad light.  i do not think this is

  extreme. 

i'm all ears on how you run your business caine-letting everyone make up their own rules because it makes them feel good?  or does your business have rules and GASP!! guidelines to follow?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 24, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
My list of grievances would be incredibly lengthy and would draw a lot of scrutiny and scorn. And thus, I will save my fellow scoopers the hassle. I guess what I'm saying is, my grievances that I really feel strongly about, are not the views most people share now days, and I have no place to share those grievances, that's my grievance.  ;D
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 24, 2019, 10:02:32 AM
I love it when someone loudly proclaims they are tolerant to fill-in-the-blank.  And I totally believe them.

I love it when a bunch of people preach tolerance publicly and yet are the most intolerant people out there.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 24, 2019, 10:07:59 AM
I love it when a bunch of people preach tolerance publicly and yet are the most intolerant people out there.

Admittedly, I am intolerant of things, many are not now days. the problem is, if I state them publicly, I'm looked down upon by society, because apparently, THEIR viewpoints/opinions/thoughts are the only one's that matter. That's another grievance of mine, we should be able to say what we feel/think now days without being ridiculed/ostracized for thinking that way. Ain't the same world i grew up in, that's for sure.

Seems like pretty much everyone is offended by something now days...It's part of the "snowflake" society we have built. Don't like someone saying something about you?? Grow a pair.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 24, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
I love it when a bunch of people preach tolerance publicly and yet are the most intolerant people out there.


Oh, i know the type you are referencing. Some of the most classless, self-centered and vocal mofos around.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 24, 2019, 10:44:48 AM
dude, my wife is bald right now just finishing chemo #6 of 12...i am obviously her biggest fan, best friend and husband of 35 years as of last week.  shaving my head was not going to make her feel any better.  even though i am naturally getting  close to being kinda challenged on top of the melon.  does shaving one's head in solidarity with another help the other OR is it a "feel good" move, directing attention to oneself?  i think the later and that is one of the reasons i was not a big fan of MY employee using her "cause" to create a potential distraction in OUR workplace

      but just to be clear, i would have gladly provided her with a wig

    and she could do whatever she wanted to do on her free time

  but as many businesses have a few codes of conduct, uniform, and dress codes-i just did not want her "selfless" and "noble

  statement" to distract from our focus on our patients

  i did not want to hear her or any of us have to explain all day long, to every patient, why my assistant is bald. oh, you must be

such a thoughtful, caring and...blah blah blah... i did NOT prevent her from shaving her head

        but as i stated above, i would have provided her with a wig just as i would have provided a

shirt for someone who wanted to go topless for their friends battle with whatever.   

 you think i'm insensitive?  'splain this one for me

https://time.com/36892/girl-who-shaved-head-to-support-friend-with-cancer-banned-from-school-for-violating-dress-code/


  personally, i don't give a fluck what people do on their time as long as they are nice people

Just to be clear, if you forced an employee to wear a wig, or fired them you wouldn't have a practice anymore.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 24, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
Just to be clear, if you forced an employee to wear a wig, or fired them you wouldn't have a practice anymore.

You must be trolling.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: withoutbias on August 24, 2019, 10:49:10 AM
i love it when someone has to state-i have-fill-in-the-blank-on ignore. 
        like it's supposed to burn?  just do it and put the toilet seat down man, who cares. 

  fwiw-i don't have anyone on the big IG-i'm tolerant to all opinions, viewpoints, lifestyles, races, creeds, ethnicities, hobbies, professions, free speech, free swim, free stuff, nose hairs, ear hair comb-overs, high brow, low brow, lowenbrau, no brow,  lashes-not caning or cocaining, snowboarders, surfboarders, message boarders, skate boarders, bobsledders, luges,  hockin loogies, breakin wind and #1 down wind, but what the hey-mean people suck

dude, my wife is bald right now just finishing chemo #6 of 12...i am obviously her biggest fan, best friend and husband of 35 years as of last week.  shaving my head was not going to make her feel any better.  even though i am naturally getting  close to being kinda challenged on top of the melon.  does shaving one's head in solidarity with another help the other OR is it a "feel good" move, directing attention to oneself?  i think the later and that is one of the reasons i was not a big fan of MY employee using her "cause" to create a potential distraction in OUR workplace

      but just to be clear, i would have gladly provided her with a wig

    and she could do whatever she wanted to do on her free time

  but as many businesses have a few codes of conduct, uniform, and dress codes-i just did not want her "selfless" and "noble

  statement" to distract from our focus on our patients

  i did not want to hear her or any of us have to explain all day long, to every patient, why my assistant is bald. oh, you must be

such a thoughtful, caring and...blah blah blah... i did NOT prevent her from shaving her head

        but as i stated above, i would have provided her with a wig just as i would have provided a

shirt for someone who wanted to go topless for their friends battle with whatever.   

 you think i'm insensitive?  'splain this one for me

https://time.com/36892/girl-who-shaved-head-to-support-friend-with-cancer-banned-from-school-for-violating-dress-code/


  personally, i don't give a fluck what people do on their time as long as they are nice people

thanks my man!! 
  i don't know who caine's employer is or what he does, but if one is fortunate enough to run a business for over 33 years(60 is i

 count my the anniversary of when my dad started the practice) we sure in the h3ll didn't do it by allowing our employees to use

it as their own little social feel good aquarium.  we've had a number of employees work for us in excess of 30-50(yes they stayed

 on and retired under me) years, all working toward the same goal-success of the practice.  so go they, go the business and it

 sure would not have gone anywhere with me succumbing to all of their own little personal social"crusades".  i don't give a chit

  what they do after they punch out as long as it is lawful and does not put the business in a bad light.  i do not think this is

  extreme. 

i'm all ears on how you run your business caine-letting everyone make up their own rules because it makes them feel good?  or does your business have rules and GASP!! guidelines to follow?

so youre tolerant of all blah blah blah blah look at me im such a great guy i dont judge anyone blah blah blah...but when an employee of YOUR company (good god you must be fun to work for) says that she wants to stand with her friend battling cancer by shaving her head your response is...you dont want to stand with your friend you want to bring attention to yourself and that will cost us business?

very tolerant indeed.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 24, 2019, 10:55:05 AM
My wife wanting me to help choose between 28 shades of off white to paint the dining room.
Mother in law coming to visit.
Slow drivers in the left lane.
Octogenarian foursomes who won't let you play through.
Meetings.
Waiting 5 months for medical procedures.
Obsessing.   Be it pets, Facebook, veganism, guns.  Tied to that, the inability to chill.
Poor customer service.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 24, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
zero is a number. "o" is a letter.
if your phone number has a zero in it.......it is a zero....not an "oh".
that is all.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
zero is a number. "o" is a letter.
if your phone number has a zero in it.......it is a zero....not an "oh".
that is all.

Oh.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 24, 2019, 11:06:36 AM
Eight six seven five three (zero) ni-ine....
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 24, 2019, 11:25:58 AM
zero is a number. "o" is a letter.
if your phone number has a zero in it.......it is a zero....not an "oh".
that is all.

I just realized when I tell people my phone number I say oh in 210 but the 2nd zero I say zero. Weird.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 24, 2019, 11:43:50 AM
I love it when a bunch of people preach tolerance publicly and yet are the most intolerant people out there.
I am glad you agree with me then
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 24, 2019, 11:46:44 AM
I love it when a bunch of people preach tolerance publicly and yet are the most intolerant people out there.

So, hypocrisy is worse than intolerance?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 24, 2019, 11:47:59 AM
dude, my wife is bald right now just finishing chemo #6 of 12...i am obviously her biggest fan, best friend and husband of 35 years as of last week.  shaving my head was not going to make her feel any better.  even though i am naturally getting  close to being kinda challenged on top of the melon.  does shaving one's head in solidarity with another help the other OR is it a "feel good" move, directing attention to oneself?  i think the later and that is one of the reasons i was not a big fan of MY employee using her "cause" to create a potential distraction in OUR workplace

      but just to be clear, i would have gladly provided her with a wig

    and she could do whatever she wanted to do on her free time

  but as many businesses have a few codes of conduct, uniform, and dress codes-i just did not want her "selfless" and "noble

  statement" to distract from our focus on our patients

  i did not want to hear her or any of us have to explain all day long, to every patient, why my assistant is bald. oh, you must be

such a thoughtful, caring and...blah blah blah... i did NOT prevent her from shaving her head

        but as i stated above, i would have provided her with a wig just as i would have provided a

shirt for someone who wanted to go topless for their friends battle with whatever.   

 you think i'm insensitive?  'splain this one for me

https://time.com/36892/girl-who-shaved-head-to-support-friend-with-cancer-banned-from-school-for-violating-dress-code/


  personally, i don't give a fluck what people do on their time as long as they are nice people

A ton of warm thoughts and strong prayers to your wife and family!!!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 24, 2019, 11:49:33 AM
Admittedly, I am intolerant of things, many are not now days. the problem is, if I state them publicly, I'm looked down upon by society, because apparently, THEIR viewpoints/opinions/thoughts are the only one's that matter. That's another grievance of mine, we should be able to say what we feel/think now days without being ridiculed/ostracized for thinking that way. Ain't the same world i grew up in, that's for sure.

Seems like pretty much everyone is offended by something now days...It's part of the "snowflake" society we have built. Don't like someone saying something about you?? Grow a pair.

IMO, I wouldn't care that you're intolerant of something. It's a question of what you're intolerant of.

You hate yellow cars? Fine

You hate a race or sexual orientation? Different story.

I 100% agree that the world we live in now is different than 20, 30, 40+ years ago. And that's okay. Societies/cultures change over time. Always have, always will. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 24, 2019, 11:53:33 AM
dude, my wife is bald right now just finishing chemo #6 of 12...i am obviously her biggest fan, best friend and husband of 35 years as of last week.  shaving my head was not going to make her feel any better.  even though i am naturally getting  close to being kinda challenged on top of the melon.  does shaving one's head in solidarity with another help the other OR is it a "feel good" move, directing attention to oneself?  i think the later and that is one of the reasons i was not a big fan of MY employee using her "cause" to create a potential distraction in OUR workplace

Well-wishers for your wife and family, rocket.

I, personally, have seen dramatic changes in the attitude and personality of those afflicted when others support them in physical ways in addition to emotional, spiritual, mental.

So, IMO, no, it isn't always a self-centered move.

Plus, seems strange that you'd hire/employ someone with that personality type.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 24, 2019, 12:13:45 PM
Hey ... thread is still open.



Furthermore, the first beer I had after the round called itself a hazy IPA but it was much more bitter than most hazies I've had. I have a grievance with the brewmaster for not using Mosaic hops.

I feel so much better having aired those grievances. Thanks, Jake, for starting this thread.

I’m with you on hazies. There’s recently been a big push to go away from a Mosaic, Citra and Amarillo hops to make a more dank hazy or bitter. More adding of terpenes too. Some IPA purists consider the juice bomb hazies as a beer for entry level IPA drinkers. On the flip side, some brewers try too hard and make undrinkable hazies; overdoing it with Citras, adding fruit concentrate that doesn’t mesh with the hops mixture. They’ve become too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
Except, apparently for receptionists who wish to shave their heads in support of a friend with cancer.

I have no idea what this is about but here is what I respect: a family which starts a business, assumes risk, pays their employees first (and sweats out making payroll at times,) contributes to the local, state, and federal treasure, enables people to buy cars, homes, and food and clothing for their families.

This endeavor generates wealth and value for the community by providing goods or services which benefit people in some way.

If an employer define up front that staff are to meet established requirements then so be it. As an Air Force member I was required to conform to clothing, grooming, and lifestyle requirements as a condition of that employment. I knew going in what the standard was and I complied.

I love when rebels - people who assume no risk and yet make demands of people who have the balls to forge their own way and, in so doing, provide the employee with a livelihood. 

If I own a kosher or halal kitchen and a customer asks me to make them shrimp scampi or pork carnitas I will politely decline the request. If they sue me I would expect the court to exercise judgment and dismiss the suit.

If an employee brings ham sandwiches into my kosher or halal kitchen I will take remedial steps and would not expect any legal issues. Unfortunately, that is not a guarantee these days.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 24, 2019, 12:32:19 PM
Canada sucks

Venezuela sucks
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 24, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
Eight six seven five three (zero) ni-ine....

Well done!!!

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 24, 2019, 12:34:16 PM
So, hypocrisy is worse than intolerance?

Define intolerance and tolerance, then I will answer
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2019, 12:38:35 PM
zero is a number. "o" is a letter.
if your phone number has a zero in it.......it is a zero....not an "oh".
that is all.

The age old argument as to whether zero is a real or natural number.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 24, 2019, 12:43:37 PM
The age old argument as to whether zero is a real or natural number.

Black and white are not colors
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2019, 12:50:13 PM
I’m with you on hazies. There’s recently been a big push to go away from a Mosaic, Citra and Amarillo hops to make a more dank hazy or bitter. More adding of terpenes too. Some IPA purists consider the juice bomb hazies as a beer for entry level IPA drinkers. On the flip side, some brewers try too hard and make undrinkable hazies; overdoing it with Citras, adding fruit concentrate that doesn’t mesh with the hops mixture. They’ve become too inconsistent.

You and I dwell in the epicenter of great craft beers.

I have tremendous respect for the Portland/Hood River/Bend/Ashland brewers; any trip to any of those locales demands a visit to some of the local ale houses.

My faves in OR are Deschutes, Rogue, and Breakstone. Having lived in UK I developed a taste for the brown ales and all three of these make incredible versions of the Brit staple.

Best Seattle include Diamond Knot, Stoup, Freemont, Triplehorn, Elysian, Standard, and Mac and Jack's.

https://www.savoredjourneys.com/seattle-vs-portland-beer/

Either way one can't go wrong.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2019, 12:52:26 PM
Black and white are not colors

Nor are they races
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
New Coke...... need I say more?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 24, 2019, 12:56:02 PM
My grievance is that IPAs have grown to dominate the craft beer scene.  I don't care for bitter flavors and do not understand the  quest to make beer as bitter as possible.

I can only think of two IPAs that I could tolerate but I wouldn't buy them on my own. 

I would much rather have beer featuring the malt or yeast, not the hops.  But I have to search through a sea of IPAs to find them.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 24, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
Define intolerance and tolerance, then I will answer

You don't know what "intolerance" means, but you made a statement earlier based around that word
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 01:00:33 PM
Nor are they races
Yet, somehow Mexican has become one.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 24, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
My grievance is that IPAs have grown to dominate the craft beer scene.  I don't care for bitter flavors and do not understand the  quest to make beer as bitter as possible.

I can only think of two IPAs that I could tolerate but I wouldn't buy them on my own. 

I would much rather have beer featuring the malt or yeast, not the hops.  But I have to search through a sea of IPAs to find them.

Probably belongs in the beer thread, but ...

When I started drinking craft beers a few years ago, I couldn't handle IPAs at all. One sip and bleccch. But as time went on, my horizons broadened and now, except for the super-hoppy ones, I rather like IPAs.

I especially like them when they're brewed with Mosaic hops. I can't believe I even say stuff like that now, because I used to make fun of "beer snobs" who discussed various ingredients. But I know what I like, and if it has Mosaic, I almost always end up liking it. Even moreso if it's a hazy IPA with Mosaic hops.

Mmmm ... now I have to drink one tonight!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 24, 2019, 03:08:33 PM
Major grievance/irritation of mine..why in the hell did Tombstone pizza, change something that was so perfect, to this new "full on flavor" thing they have going on now?? So irritating when companies think they need to "improve" on perfection. Leave well enough alone. For someone who is a frozen pizza connoisseur, the fact that they changed what was perfect to something that totally changes the way it tastes and makes me change to a different brand, irritates the crap out of me. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 24, 2019, 03:17:11 PM
Major grievance/irritation of mine..why in the hell did Tombstone pizza, change something that was so perfect, to this new "full on flavor" thing they have going on now?? So irritating when companies think they need to "improve" on perfection. Leave well enough alone. For someone who is a frozen pizza connoisseur, the fact that they changed what was perfect to something that totally changes the way it tastes and makes me change to a different brand, irritates the crap out of me.

Saying you eat Tombstone pizzas and consider yourself a "frozen pizza connoisseur" is an oxymoron.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
Saying you eat Tombstone pizzas and consider yourself a "frozen pizza connoisseur" is an oxymoron.
Disagree. I'm a Tombstone fan. I rarely eat frozen pizza, but when I do.... I eat Tombstone.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 24, 2019, 03:43:55 PM
DiGiorno Rising Crust.

My friends.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StateStreetMission on August 24, 2019, 04:19:43 PM
Major grievance/irritation of mine..why in the hell did Tombstone pizza, change something that was so perfect, to this new "full on flavor" thing they have going on now?? So irritating when companies think they need to "improve" on perfection. Leave well enough alone. For someone who is a frozen pizza connoisseur, the fact that they changed what was perfect to something that totally changes the way it tastes and makes me change to a different brand, irritates the crap out of me.

The only thing they were interested in achieving was a better margin.
New and Improved is code for cost reduction. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 24, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
Major grievance/irritation of mine..why in the hell did Tombstone pizza, change something that was so perfect, to this new "full on flavor" thing they have going on now?? So irritating when companies think they need to "improve" on perfection. Leave well enough alone. For someone who is a frozen pizza connoisseur, the fact that they changed what was perfect to something that totally changes the way it tastes and makes me change to a different brand, irritates the crap out of me.

Tombstone was sold to Kraft, which changed the recipe.  Kraft later sold their frozen pizza division to Nestle.

The founder of Tombstone started a new line of frozen pizza after the noncompete clause expired.  Pep's Pizza, now owned by Hansen Foods, is based on the original Tombstone recipe.

http://pepsdrafthaus.com/find-a-store/ (http://pepsdrafthaus.com/find-a-store/)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on August 24, 2019, 04:29:38 PM
Just bought but haven’t tried Outsiders Pizza’s Detroit Style Genoa Salami (nh) & Wisconsin Brick Cheese. Might get devoured tonight. VERY curious.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2019, 04:30:38 PM
I went to the Badlands with a couple friends 2 or 3 years ago and at the end of our first day there we went to the park's information center or whatever and asked one of the park rangers if he had any recommendations for good food around.  He told us that we could go across the street to the cafeteria for some food he would rate a 3 out of 10 or we could drive about 5 miles into the town in the park and there was a bar that had pizza that he would rate at a 9 out of 10.  So of course we chose to go get some pizza at this bar.  We sit down and order and out comes...DiGiorno Rising Crust.  Not that it's bad, but a 9 out of 10 in overall food?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2019, 04:31:25 PM
Just bought but haven’t tried Outsiders Pizza’s Detroit Style Genoa Salami (nh) & Wisconsin Brick Cheese. Might get devoured tonight. VERY curious.

Detroit style pizza is very underrated.

Interested to hear how brick cheese is on pizza.  Might be the best cheese to just eat plain.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2019, 04:54:42 PM
My grievance is that IPAs have grown to dominate the craft beer scene.  I don't care for bitter flavors and do not understand the  quest to make beer as bitter as possible.

I can only think of two IPAs that I could tolerate but I wouldn't buy them on my own. 

I would much rather have beer featuring the malt or yeast, not the hops.  But I have to search through a sea of IPAs to find them.

I may hit an IPA mid session as a palate cleanser. Personally, I am not that much of a fan.

The whole thing started in the PNW which is where the world's best hops are grown. Brewers in Portland and Seattle dumped bushels of hops in the vat. In my opinion they have gone overboard.

The ambers, reds, and browns are far more complex and finish so much more elegantly.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 24, 2019, 04:56:18 PM
Tombstone was sold to Kraft, which changed the recipe.  Kraft later sold their frozen pizza division to Nestle.

The founder of Tombstone started a new line of frozen pizza after the noncompete clause expired.  Pep's Pizza, now owned by Hansen Foods, is based on the original Tombstone recipe.

http://pepsdrafthaus.com/find-a-store/ (http://pepsdrafthaus.com/find-a-store/)

Well, hell, I did not know this! Thank you sir, I think I just found my new Pizza brand!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 24, 2019, 05:01:51 PM
I love it when a bunch of people preach tolerance publicly and yet are the most intolerant people out there.

Aka the Mope Summit.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on August 24, 2019, 05:26:13 PM
Detroit style pizza is very underrated.

It’s incredible. If I’m getting delivery, tough to beat Jet’s
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 05:35:04 PM
Detroit style pizza is very underrated.

So is St. Louis style, surprisingly.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 24, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
So is St. Louis style, surprisingly.

Ew
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: PointWarrior on August 24, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
There are many IPA’s in the PNW that are not overly biter.  Try Seapine


I may hit an IPA mid session as a palate cleanser. Personally, I am not that much of a fan.

The whole thing started in the PNW which is where the world's best hops are grown. Brewers in Portland and Seattle dumped bushels of hops in the vat. In my opinion they have gone overboard.

The ambers, reds, and browns are far more complex and finish so much more elegantly.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 24, 2019, 05:45:54 PM
The only thing they were interested in achieving was a better margin.
New and Improved is code for cost reduction.

This. Companies change a product solely to make more money than what it would cost to make the same product the same way
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 05:47:11 PM
Ew
I get it. It's unique but I like it. Chicago is still the best to me, but St. Louis ain't bad and the T-Ravs are awesome.

Anything is better that the doughy, bland national chain stuff.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 24, 2019, 06:06:34 PM
St louis "pizza" tastes like ass.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 24, 2019, 06:20:36 PM
There are many IPA’s in the PNW that are not overly biter.  Try Seapine

Had perhaps the best beer I've ever had on my trip to the PNW last month: Silver Moon's Hazibliss.

A hazy IPA made with Mosaic hops (and others) and infused with CBD. Smooth, delicious and a little dangerous.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 24, 2019, 06:21:40 PM
Disagree. I'm a Tombstone fan. I rarely eat frozen pizza, but when I do.... I eat Tombstone.

Home Run, Screaming Sicilian, so many better options than Tombstone.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 24, 2019, 06:25:48 PM
Yet, somehow Mexican has become one.

Only to people who don't know better.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Home Run, Screaming Sicilian, so many better options than Tombstone.

Home Run is great. Was at a friend’s in Chicago a few years ago and he had some other friends over I’d never met. He asked for if I’d ever had Home Run Inn frozen pizza before and what my thoughts were. When I said I was a fan one of the girls there handed over a few coupons for free pizzas. Family business of hers.

Lotza Mozza is very good but also expensive for a frozen pizza.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 24, 2019, 06:38:48 PM
Had perhaps the best beer I've ever had on my trip to the PNW last month: Silver Moon's Hazibliss.

A hazy IPA made with Mosaic hops (and others) and infused with CBD. Smooth, delicious and a little dangerous.

CBD has not psychotropic properties. It’s a relaxant. Great for sleeping and pain management too.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 06:47:52 PM
St louis "pizza" tastes like ass.
I hope that means you hate it  ;D
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 24, 2019, 06:52:38 PM
Home Run, Screaming Sicilian, so many better options than Tombstone.
I'll give them a try. Thanks for the recommendations.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 24, 2019, 07:01:57 PM
Just to be clear, if you forced an employee to wear a wig, or fired them you wouldn't have a practice anymore.

  no worries cain, i've been doing this for a while.  how many years have you and biass run a business?  thought so :-*

thanks jesmu for the kind words


as i think i stated earlier-i have had employees for upwards of 40-50 years-they were originally hired by my father and continued on with me beyond his retirement.  i have only had to fire 3 people over my entire career and i do not hope to have to do it even once more. 

some of you guys will just never get it-that's why you never have nor ever will own your own business
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on August 24, 2019, 07:07:37 PM
I’ve run my own business for twenty years and have never had a dress code or even thought about what hair color my employees have. One customer sales rep has a different color and style very other week.

Just face it. It bothers you and likely you alone. Don’t blame your customers.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: withoutbias on August 24, 2019, 07:17:16 PM
  no worries cain, i've been doing this for a while.  how many years have you and biass run a business?  thought so :-*

thanks jesmu for the kind words


as i think i stated earlier-i have had employees for upwards of 40-50 years-they were originally hired by my father and continued on with me beyond his retirement.  i have only had to fire 3 people over my entire career and i do not hope to have to do it even once more. 

some of you guys will just never get it-that's why you never have nor ever will own your own business

unlike the men who love meat here who always need everyone to know what theyve accomplished in their lives id rather NOT have weirdos like you knowing my life story.

having said that it doesnt take a business owner to know hypocrisy. youre so tolerant of all viewpoints and walks of life that instead of taking YOUR employee (you own her) for her word you call her a liar and say what she really means to be doing is drawing attention to herself rather than supporting someone going through a major health issue.

good stuff. but what do i know? i neither speak chinese nor run a clinic that people would no longer come to if someone working on their mouth had a bald head.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on August 24, 2019, 07:20:20 PM
St louis "pizza" tastes like ass.

No wonder it’s ur fav brah
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 24, 2019, 07:29:54 PM
  no worries cain, i've been doing this for a while.  how many years have you and biass run a business?  thought so :-*

thanks jesmu for the kind words


as i think i stated earlier-i have had employees for upwards of 40-50 years-they were originally hired by my father and continued on with me beyond his retirement.  i have only had to fire 3 people over my entire career and i do not hope to have to do it even once more. 

some of you guys will just never get it-that's why you never have nor ever will own your own business

Assumptions will get ya in trouble bud. I don't share much about my life but I do have my own business. Not huge like yours is, but then again I didn't need my dad to start it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 24, 2019, 07:34:08 PM
For the record IPAs were not started in the PNW. They're an old East India Trading company style hence the name India Pale Ale.

I don't doubt that a bunch of hipsters in Seattle Portland and San Francisco likely made them become as big as they are today. Just wanted to address that historical misconception in a quoted post I wouldn't have seen otherwise.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 24, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
What a surprise this has turned into a pissing match
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 24, 2019, 08:04:56 PM

  at least we know who the d!(ks are on this board
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 24, 2019, 08:24:33 PM
I hope that means you hate it  ;D

Yeah, no ass eating here.   I imagine that an a$$hole tastes like StL pizza, doe.

Bellatori cooked on a on a pizza pizzazz is dope.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 24, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
unlike the men who love meat here who always need everyone to know what theyve accomplished in their lives id rather NOT have weirdos like you knowing my life story.

Brilliant post.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU86NC on August 24, 2019, 08:53:07 PM
Festivus wasnt funny 20 years ago and it still isnt funny.

Crean sucks
Nd sucks
What's so funny bout peace love and understanding!  I didn't think Festivus was about funny...
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:40 PM
Assumptions will get ya in trouble bud. I don't share much about my life but I do have my own business. Not huge like yours is, but then again I didn't need my dad to start it.

Simpleton.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Loose Cannon on August 24, 2019, 09:11:27 PM
DiGiorno Rising Crust.

My friends.

You may want to try Home run Inn.  Strictly Chicago Crust.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 24, 2019, 09:15:00 PM
A Tombstone on a Sunday morning from the dorm store in Schroeder was the bomb.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 24, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
A Tombstone on a Sunday morning from the dorm store in Schroeder was the bomb.

Sure, and poor college days is where Tombstone should stay.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 25, 2019, 01:26:51 AM
  what really made the original tombstone 'zas to take off is when they made those iconic little ovens
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 25, 2019, 01:38:20 AM
  at least we know who the d!(ks are on this board

Rocket, you told a female employee that she couldn't have a hairstyle that (I assume) you would allow a male employee to have. That is a textbook act of discrimination. It's not an egregious one. It doesn't make you a bad person. But it's okay to own it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 25, 2019, 02:27:50 AM
Rocket, you told a female employee that she couldn't have a hairstyle that (I assume) you would allow a male employee to have. That is a textbook act of discrimination. It's not an egregious one. It doesn't make you a bad person. But it's okay to own it.

Come on man...I never told her outright that she couldn’t shave her head. She told me she was thinking about it in a way more to get a reaction out of me than anything.  For the record, I never said to her, listen tootsie, if you shave your head, I’m going to sh!tcan you.  Unfortunately, I don’t have any males in my office so ya’ll can scratch misogynist off your list. 

But here’s one of the (too) many and last interactions I had to endure from her-
  She calls me on Easter Sunday night asking me if she was supposed to come into work Monday.  I’m like, umm, yeah, we were expecting you.  Then she starts ranting about working too many( 30-35) hours per week. So I told her, no problem, you can have Monday off...oh, and you deserve Tuesday off as well, hmm, might as well go for 3 in a row and take Wednesday off too, ahh hell,  make it a bakers dozen...long story short, I relieved her of her hours, NOT because she said she was thinking about shaving her head, which came up weeks before this incident, but because she was an airhead.  Any of you guys want to hire her, pm me and I’ll give you her name(for those of you in rio Linda, that was a joke). Also, have at it with the above dialogue which was embellished a little, but she became only the 3rd and hopefully the last person I will ever have to fire.  She was assistant #3 in my attempts to fill a position vacated by my original assistant of 31 years at the time...fwiw, no I didn’t fire her due to old age or bad breath or being short or...she retired at the age of 75


    It was a passing event. I understand where you are coming from tamu with your HR thing, but you just re-“woke” the panty wastes to reignite their faux virtue signaling  ok have at it  this ought to be juicy though

Oh, and in before the lock 🤷🏼‍♂️🤯
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wildbill sb on August 25, 2019, 08:37:58 AM
My grievance is that IPAs have grown to dominate the craft beer scene.  I don't care for bitter flavors and do not understand the  quest to make beer as bitter as possible.

I can only think of two IPAs that I could tolerate but I wouldn't buy them on my own. 

I would much rather have beer featuring the malt or yeast, not the hops.  But I have to search through a sea of IPAs to find them.

Me too.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 🏀 on August 25, 2019, 09:05:15 AM
Home Run Inn on the grill is incredible
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 25, 2019, 09:13:37 AM
Come on man...I never told her outright that she couldn’t shave her head. She told me she was thinking about it in a way more to get a reaction out of me than anything.  For the record, I never said to her, listen tootsie, if you shave your head, I’m going to sh!tcan you.  Unfortunately, I don’t have any males in my office so ya’ll can scratch misogynist off your list. 

But here’s one of the (too) many and last interactions I had to endure from her-
  She calls me on Easter Sunday night asking me if she was supposed to come into work Monday.  I’m like, umm, yeah, we were expecting you.  Then she starts ranting about working too many( 30-35) hours per week. So I told her, no problem, you can have Monday off...oh, and you deserve Tuesday off as well, hmm, might as well go for 3 in a row and take Wednesday off too, ahh hell,  make it a bakers dozen...long story short, I relieved her of her hours, NOT because she said she was thinking about shaving her head, which came up weeks before this incident, but because she was an airhead.  Any of you guys want to hire her, pm me and I’ll give you her name(for those of you in rio Linda, that was a joke). Also, have at it with the above dialogue which was embellished a little, but she became only the 3rd and hopefully the last person I will ever have to fire.  She was assistant #3 in my attempts to fill a position vacated by my original assistant of 31 years at the time...fwiw, no I didn’t fire her due to old age or bad breath or being short or...she retired at the age of 75


    It was a passing event. I understand where you are coming from tamu with your HR thing, but you just re-“woke” the panty wastes to reignite their faux virtue signaling  ok have at it  this ought to be juicy though

Oh, and in before the lock 🤷🏼‍♂️🤯

You know those moments when you post something thinking it will make you look better and it has the opposite effect? This is one of those.

You're fortunate to be closer to the end of your career than the beginning.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 25, 2019, 09:18:45 AM
Come on man...I never told her outright that she couldn’t shave her head. She told me she was thinking about it in a way more to get a reaction out of me than anything.  For the record, I never said to her, listen tootsie, if you shave your head, I’m going to sh!tcan you.  Unfortunately, I don’t have any males in my office so ya’ll can scratch misogynist off your list. 

But here’s one of the (too) many and last interactions I had to endure from her-
  She calls me on Easter Sunday night asking me if she was supposed to come into work Monday.  I’m like, umm, yeah, we were expecting you.  Then she starts ranting about working too many( 30-35) hours per week. So I told her, no problem, you can have Monday off...oh, and you deserve Tuesday off as well, hmm, might as well go for 3 in a row and take Wednesday off too, ahh hell,  make it a bakers dozen...long story short, I relieved her of her hours, NOT because she said she was thinking about shaving her head, which came up weeks before this incident, but because she was an airhead.  Any of you guys want to hire her, pm me and I’ll give you her name(for those of you in rio Linda, that was a joke). Also, have at it with the above dialogue which was embellished a little, but she became only the 3rd and hopefully the last person I will ever have to fire.  She was assistant #3 in my attempts to fill a position vacated by my original assistant of 31 years at the time...fwiw, no I didn’t fire her due to old age or bad breath or being short or...she retired at the age of 75


    It was a passing event. I understand where you are coming from tamu with your HR thing, but you just re-“woke” the panty wastes to reignite their faux virtue signaling  ok have at it  this ought to be juicy though

Oh, and in before the lock 🤷🏼‍♂️🤯



If she was a stellar employee, would you have allowed her to shave her head?

What if she was a stellar employee who walked in one day without hair?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 25, 2019, 09:23:34 AM
Come on man...I never told her outright that she couldn’t shave her head. She told me she was thinking about it in a way more to get a reaction out of me than anything.  For the record, I never said to her, listen tootsie, if you shave your head, I’m going to sh!tcan you.  Unfortunately, I don’t have any males in my office so ya’ll can scratch misogynist off your list. 

But here’s one of the (too) many and last interactions I had to endure from her-
  She calls me on Easter Sunday night asking me if she was supposed to come into work Monday.  I’m like, umm, yeah, we were expecting you.  Then she starts ranting about working too many( 30-35) hours per week. So I told her, no problem, you can have Monday off...oh, and you deserve Tuesday off as well, hmm, might as well go for 3 in a row and take Wednesday off too, ahh hell,  make it a bakers dozen...long story short, I relieved her of her hours, NOT because she said she was thinking about shaving her head, which came up weeks before this incident, but because she was an airhead.  Any of you guys want to hire her, pm me and I’ll give you her name(for those of you in rio Linda, that was a joke). Also, have at it with the above dialogue which was embellished a little, but she became only the 3rd and hopefully the last person I will ever have to fire.  She was assistant #3 in my attempts to fill a position vacated by my original assistant of 31 years at the time...fwiw, no I didn’t fire her due to old age or bad breath or being short or...she retired at the age of 75


    It was a passing event. I understand where you are coming from tamu with your HR thing, but you just re-“woke” the panty wastes to reignite their faux virtue signaling  ok have at it  this ought to be juicy though

Oh, and in before the lock 🤷🏼‍♂️🤯

My oh my....
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 25, 2019, 10:44:47 AM
You know those moments when you post something thinking it will make you look better and it has the opposite effect? This is one of those.

You're fortunate to be closer to the end of your career than the beginning.

Yup. Sometimes trying to explain yourself digs the hole deeper.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 25, 2019, 11:09:51 AM
For the record, I never said to her, listen tootsie, if you shave your head, I’m going to sh!tcan you.  Unfortunately, I don’t have any males in my office so ya’ll can scratch misogynist off your list. 

Yes, I absolutely convinced that there is nooooo way that you could ever be considered as a misogynist--by anyone. Having only female employees is certainly evidence proving this point.  ::)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 25, 2019, 11:42:24 AM
Yes, I absolutely convinced that there is nooooo way that you could ever be considered as a misogynist--by anyone. Having only female employees is certainly evidence proving this point.  ::)

I think I know what's at the top of his list of skills for his employees.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2019, 01:07:13 PM
It’s incredible. If I’m getting delivery, tough to beat Jet’s

If in Ann Arbor, hit one of several pizza joints - all Greek family owned and operated. The Original Cottage Inn, Lamplighter, Buddy's, JP's all feature the square stone-baked Detroit-style pie.

Best pizza this side of CT.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
So is St. Louis style, surprisingly.

Slathered with sticky mouthfuls of Provel jizz...
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2019, 01:11:02 PM
There are many IPA’s in the PNW that are not overly biter.  Try Seapine

Dave,

We need a Beer Call. Brave Horse Tavern later this week?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2019, 01:16:09 PM
St louis "pizza" tastes like ass.

Tastes like Ass?

Is that like, Nicole Kidman's ass or, like, Yasir Arafat's ass?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2019, 01:31:12 PM
Brilliant post.

The Racist speaks

(http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BlueEyedEdwards.jpg)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
You know those moments when you post something thinking it will make you look better and it has the opposite effect? This is one of those.

You're fortunate to be closer to the end of your career than the beginning.

At least he has a "career"
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 25, 2019, 02:32:30 PM
At least he has a "career"

Brewcity77 doesn't have a career?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
The Racist speaks

just be patient folks. Sooner or later Keefe will get caught plagiarizing somebody again  and then he will thankfully disappear for another year or so.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 25, 2019, 03:02:35 PM
just be patient folks. Sooner or later Keefe will get caught plagiarizing somebody again  and the he will thankfully disappear for another year or so.

Keefe, mutaman, mu82, Cheeks, rocket all need a couple weeks of a break. The stress of summer has been to much.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 03:05:12 PM
Keefe, mutaman, mu82, Cheeks, rocket all need a couple weeks of a break. The stress of summer has been to much.

Jesus, don't throw me in there with the meat eating crowd.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 25, 2019, 03:36:32 PM
Keefe, mutaman, mu82, Cheeks, rocket all need a couple weeks of a break. The stress of summer has been to much.

Huh? I said weeks ago that I would stop interacting with this site's biggest agitator, and I have. I said I would stop contributing to threads getting bogged down with personal vendettas, and I have.

I'm not looking for a gold star or a pat on the back, but I'd rather not get lumped in with some of the others you named. Because I'm not doing it ... not any more than you are, anyway.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 25, 2019, 03:55:41 PM
Because I'm not doing it ... not any more than you are, anyway.

But this thread is for personal vendettas, not the mlb thread. Feel free to go on cruise control here.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 25, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
But this thread is for personal vendettas, not the mlb thread. Feel free to go on cruise control here.

All righty, UC. You and I are cool. But ya still gotta be accurate, even in this thread.

I have not been airing grievances in the MLB thread or others for quite some time. Indeed, I have given myself the "couple weeks of a break" that you said some of us needed. I'm trying to be a good boy!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 25, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
The Racist speaks

Honest question Keefe. IIRC (and I sincerely apologize if I have you mixed up with another poster), you and I were part of conversation awhile back about whether or not Georgetown should change the name of academic buildings because their namesakes had orchestrated a slave auction that benefited the university. If I remember your argument correctly, you said that we shouldn't judge the namesakes for their role in the slave auction because in the context of the time, their actions were morally acceptable. Now we know better but the namesakes themselves couldn't have known because of the times they were raised in.

I'm curious why you took that position in that argument but are taking the stand the Searchers is a racist movie. In this case, I haven't seen the movie, but I trust what you say as most westerns from that era were notoriously horrendous in their depiction of native americans, and I agree with your position. But I'm curious why you are comfortable giving the Georgetown namesakes a pass due to the times that they lived in but not the Searchers a pass for the times that it was created in. I'm also curious what your opinion on our former mascot is. Is there a difference that you see that I am not seeing?

Also, I don't know mutaman personally, but I doubt he's a racist. I haven't been breathing for that long, but I've only met a handful of bonafide racists in my lifetime. But every single person I have met has done, said, or thought racist things, at multiple points in their life. If you say the Searchers is racist, I'm on board. If you say mutaman's defense of the movie is racist, I'm with you. I'm hesitant to label him a racist for it. I don't believe we should be defined solely by our worst actions.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
If you say the Searchers is racist, I'm on board. If you say mutaman's defense of the movie is racist, I'm with you. I'm hesitant to label him a racist for it. I don't believe we should be defined solely by our worst actions.

me and Scorsese- good company.


        2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) – Stanley Kubrick
        8½ (1963) – Federico Fellini
        Ashes and Diamonds (1958) – Andrzej Wajda
        Citizen Kane (1941) – Orson Welles
        The Leopard (1963) – Luchino Visconti
        Paisan (1946) – Roberto Rossellini
        The Red Shoes (1948) – Michael Powell/Emeric Pressburger
        The River (1951) – Jean Renoir
        Salvatore Giuliano (1962) – Francesco Rosi
        The Searchers (1956) – John Ford
        Ugetsu Monogatari (1953) – Mizoguchi Kenji
        Vertigo (1958) – Alfred Hitchcock

http://www.openculture.com/2013/07/martin-scorsese-reveals-his-10-favorite-movies.html
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 05:13:39 PM
Me and Godard- Good company.



    Scarface (Howard Hawks)
    The Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin)
    Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock)
    The Searchers (John Ford)
    Singin' in the Rain (Kelly-Donen)
    The Lady from Shanghai (Orson Welles)
    Bigger Than Life (Nicholas Ray)
    Angel Face (Otto Preminger)
    To Be or Not To Be (Ernst Lubitsch)
    Dishonored (Josef von Sternberg)

http://www.openculture.com/2013/12/a-young-jean-luc-godard-picks-the-best-american-films-1963.html
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 05:15:37 PM
Me and the American Film Institute- all racists.

"It was named the greatest American Western by the American Film Institute in 2008, and it placed 12th on the same organization's 2007 list of the 100 greatest American movies of all time.[4] "

Wiki
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 25, 2019, 05:24:10 PM
You know those moments when you post something thinking it will make you look better and it has the opposite effect? This is one of those.

You're fortunate to be closer to the end of your career than the beginning.

  as fortunate as the nepotism needed to find your way following a couple of failed hobbies that weren't going to pay the bills-uhkay
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 05:26:38 PM
. In this case, I haven't seen the movie,

 ::)

 "It is perhaps worth noting that Cuomo’s father, the late Mario Cuomo, was an ardent critic of The Godfather books and films, boycotting them for decades because he thought they depicted negative stereotypes of Italian Americans. After he finally saw The Godfather, in 2013, he begrudgingly told the New York Times, “Maybe this thing was a masterpiece.”
https://scraper.site/visual-editor/service/components/proxy.php///www.thecut.com/2019/08/the-chris-cuomo-fredo-controversy-explained.html

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 25, 2019, 05:35:48 PM
::)

 "It is perhaps worth noting that Cuomo’s father, the late Mario Cuomo, was an ardent critic of The Godfather books and films, boycotting them for decades because he thought they depicted negative stereotypes of Italian Americans. After he finally saw The Godfather, in 2013, he begrudgingly told the New York Times, “Maybe this thing was a masterpiece.”
https://scraper.site/visual-editor/service/components/proxy.php///www.thecut.com/2019/08/the-chris-cuomo-fredo-controversy-explained.html

Speaking of "The Godfather" and bias against Italiam-Americans, last week's Revisionist History podcast on the subject is a worthy listen.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 25, 2019, 05:43:37 PM
Me and the American Film Institute- all racists.

"It was named the greatest American Western by the American Film Institute in 2008, and it placed 12th on the same organization's 2007 list of the 100 greatest American movies of all time.[4] "

Wiki

Do you think a movie can't be good and racist?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 25, 2019, 05:51:18 PM
Do you think a movie can't be good and racist?

Blazing Saddles

#stirthepot
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 25, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
  as fortunate as the nepotism needed to find your way following a couple of failed hobbies that weren't going to pay the bills-uhkay

I'm not the one making his sexism more obvious by trying to obfuscate it, and I'm not the one firing a woman for asking about her work schedule during a holiday week. I'm also not the one that would try to justify that as being the Christian thing to do immediately after the memorial of his resurrection.

But hey, keep trying to deflect your actions on to someone else, you're doing a bang up job so far.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 06:09:44 PM
Do you think a movie can't be good and racist?

Go watch the movie and then we'll talk. Its on TCM all the time. A good $4.00 investment on Amazon prime. One of the great openings ever  so be ready. (David Lean borrowed it  for Lawrence of Arabia. So did Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan.)

Once the no nothing reactionary crowd latched on to the word "racist" it ceased to have any meaning so its tough to answer your question. You need to go back and reread Keefe's position- he maintains that The Searchers is not only "anti indian' , its also of a very low quality. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 06:11:55 PM
Blazing Saddles

#stirthepot

I think calling Blazing Saddles "racist" is like calling Huck Finn racist because Twain uses the "n" word. Triumph of the Will is a much better example but i don't see that on too many top 10 lists. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 25, 2019, 06:12:32 PM
I'm not the one making his sexism more obvious by trying to obfuscate it, and I'm not the one firing a woman for asking about her work schedule during a holiday week. I'm also not the one that would try to justify that as being the Christian thing to do immediately after the memorial of his resurrection.

But hey, keep trying to deflect your actions on to someone else, you're doing a bang up job so far.

pretty weak brew-but thanks for playing
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 25, 2019, 06:14:26 PM
St louis "pizza" tastes like ass.

I don't know what ass tastes like, but I'll wager you are correct.

I tried St. Louis pizza once, thinking "pizza is pizza.  it'll be fine."  I had one piece was not to my liking, but ok, .. that second piece, I quit 2 bites in.     It was just gross.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 25, 2019, 06:21:53 PM
Mel Brooks consulted with Richard Pryor about the racial stuff in Blazing Saddles because Mel was a little uncomfortable.  Pryor is reputed to have said that as long as the racists were morons, it could still be funny.  But that was Richard Pryor in the early 70s.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 25, 2019, 06:28:14 PM
All righty, UC. You and I are cool. But ya still gotta be accurate, even in this thread.

I have not been airing grievances in the MLB thread or others for quite some time. Indeed, I have given myself the "couple weeks of a break" that you said some of us needed. I'm trying to be a good boy!


Idk where the thumbs up emoji is soooo **Thumbs up**
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 25, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
I don't know what ass tastes like,

Gotta give it a try.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 25, 2019, 06:54:36 PM
Gotta give it a try.

umm, get a room ?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 25, 2019, 07:20:06 PM
Mel Brooks consulted with Richard Pryor about the racial stuff in Blazing Saddles because Mel was a little uncomfortable.  Pryor is reputed to have said that as long as the racists were morons, it could still be funny.  Bit that was Richard Pryor in the early 70s.

Pryor did more than consult- he wrote part of the script.

"the film was written by Brooks, Andrew Bergman, Richard Pryor, Norman Steinberg and Al Uger, and was based on Bergman's story and draft."

Wiki

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 25, 2019, 07:21:17 PM
Blazing Saddles

#stirthepot

I saw Blazing Saddles when I was a kid and hadn't seen it again. People talked about it so much that I finally sat down and watched it again a couple of years ago.

I was surprised -- no, actually, stunned -- at how unfunny I found it. I think I might have chuckled once or twice.

Compared to Young Frankenstein -- a true Mel Brooks masterpiece, one of the great comedies ever -- and The Producers, Saddles is some mediocre movie-making IMHO.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Slim on August 25, 2019, 09:15:48 PM
I saw Blazing Saddles when I was a kid and hadn't seen it again. People talked about it so much that I finally sat down and watched it again a couple of years ago.

I was surprised -- no, actually, stunned -- at how unfunny I found it. I think I might have chuckled once or twice.

Compared to Young Frankenstein -- a true Mel Brooks masterpiece, one of the great comedies ever -- and The Producers, Saddles is some mediocre movie-making IMHO.

My neighbor and I still greet each other with:
“ They say you was hung”
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WarriorDad on August 25, 2019, 10:42:45 PM
Keefe, mutaman, mu82, Cheeks, rocket all need a couple weeks of a break. The stress of summer has been to much.

They all seem to want to out blast each other.

Normally not a good result comes from people slamming others as racist, bigots, liars, malpracticing journalists, among other insults of late.

Usually the response back isn’t kind.

A couple of other members here could be added to the timeout list.  Unfortunate as all of them have solid responses and thoughtful insights when they aren’t out to kill each other.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 26, 2019, 08:48:13 AM
They all seem to want to out blast each other.

Normally not a good result comes from people slamming others as racist, bigots, liars, malpracticing journalists, among other insults of late.

Usually the response back isn’t kind.

A couple of other members here could be added to the timeout list.  Unfortunate as all of them have solid responses and thoughtful insights when they aren’t out to kill each other.

Again ... I'm not taking part in those discussions.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 26, 2019, 09:54:21 AM
Huh? I said weeks ago that I would stop interacting with this site's biggest agitator, and I have. I said I would stop contributing to threads getting bogged down with personal vendettas, and I have.

I'm not looking for a gold star or a pat on the back, but I'd rather not get lumped in with some of the others you named. Because I'm not doing it ... not any more than you are, anyway.

As one of the people who you quoted when announcing your decision:  thank you.  It really is appreciated.  If only others would do the same.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 26, 2019, 10:30:10 AM
Honest question Keefe. IIRC (and I sincerely apologize if I have you mixed up with another poster), you and I were part of conversation awhile back about whether or not Georgetown should change the name of academic buildings because their namesakes had orchestrated a slave auction that benefited the university. If I remember your argument correctly, you said that we shouldn't judge the namesakes for their role in the slave auction because in the context of the time, their actions were morally acceptable. Now we know better but the namesakes themselves couldn't have known because of the times they were raised in.

I'm curious why you took that position in that argument but are taking the stand the Searchers is a racist movie. In this case, I haven't seen the movie, but I trust what you say as most westerns from that era were notoriously horrendous in their depiction of native americans, and I agree with your position. But I'm curious why you are comfortable giving the Georgetown namesakes a pass due to the times that they lived in but not the Searchers a pass for the times that it was created in. I'm also curious what your opinion on our former mascot is. Is there a difference that you see that I am not seeing?

Also, I don't know mutaman personally, but I doubt he's a racist. I haven't been breathing for that long, but I've only met a handful of bonafide racists in my lifetime. But every single person I have met has done, said, or thought racist things, at multiple points in their life. If you say the Searchers is racist, I'm on board. If you say mutaman's defense of the movie is racist, I'm with you. I'm hesitant to label him a racist for it. I don't believe we should be defined solely by our worst actions.

Aggie

I never said that the actions of slave auctioneers in any time or place was or is morally acceptable. Ethics or morality is never relative.

I am against the whitewashing of history. Do we scrub Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, et al from the story of the United States? They were slave owners, among about a dozen US Presidents, hundreds of senators, and countless others who contributed to the building of what is the world's greatest society.

Pulling down statues and erasing names from the national narrative is intellectual cowardice. Celebrate the good but acknowledge the moral incorrectness of slavery. Learn from the sins of the past. Without the names listed above there is no American story.

As for mutaman, he insists on championing a poorly written story which furthers some of the most vile depictions of Native Americans ever put forth as "art." As many Scoopers know, I have been involved in working with Native communities to bring technology solutions to improve the standard of living in Indian Country. I know tribal leaders and they have an absolute revulsion for the portrayal of Natives in popular culture. And they find The Searchers to be particularly reprehensible.

Here we have a white guy in NYC who has never been to Indian Country, when told that Natives find The Searchers to be deeply offensive, goes on to cite other white guys as proof that the movie is high art.

The question is not the artistic merit but the cultural sensitivity. The fact that mutaman doesn't get that underscores his complete lack of awareness of how minorities feel about how they are cast in the public consciousness.

Is he a racist? While he might not think he is the fact that he openly champions a piece of fiction as having significant artistic merit suggests he is crudely unaware of the feelings of an entire people.

I notice he cites my listing of Triumph of the Will as significant cinema as my somehow being a Nazi. And here he misses the point entirely. Riefenstahl's work is a masterpiece of propaganda and illustrates how powerful cinema can be used as a tool for advancing a flawed belief system.

The difference between Triumph of the Will and The Searchers is that the former demonstrates the power of the new medium while the latter showcases how film could perpetuate ugly stereotypes which demean an entire race.

The fact that mutaman cannot grasp that makes him either stupidly naive or an advocate of what was the systematic destruction of a race. Stripping a people of their dignity, which is what Hollywood film did for decades in their portrayals of Natives, Asians, and blacks, is institutionalized racism.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 26, 2019, 11:02:22 AM
I may hit an IPA mid session as a palate cleanser. Personally, I am not that much of a fan.

The whole thing started in the PNW which is where the world's best hops are grown. Brewers in Portland and Seattle dumped bushels of hops in the vat. In my opinion they have gone overboard.

The ambers, reds, and browns are far more complex and finish so much more elegantly.

 ?-(   The "whole thing" started centuries ago when the English shipped beer to the troops in India.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 26, 2019, 11:09:57 AM
?-(   The "whole thing" started centuries ago when the English shipped beer to the troops in India.

Maybe this is a bit precise, but the American IPA is thought of as a distinct style which was founded through the craft beer boom.  I won’t wade into the city of origin debates but the style is distinct and real. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 26, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
Maybe this is a bit precise, but the American IPA is thought of as a distinct style which was founded through the craft beer boom.  I won’t wade into the city of origin debates but the style is distinct and real. 

I agree but wasn't sure Jon was aware based on his certainty re: PNW, every beginning brewery appears to find IPAs easier/more forgiving and quicker to brew than any lager. Lakefront being one of the exceptions that has always brewed lagers.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 26, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
Aggie

I never said that the actions of slave auctioneers in any time or place was or is morally acceptable. Ethics or morality is never relative.

I am against the whitewashing of history. Do we scrub Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, et al from the story of the United States? They were slave owners, among about a dozen US Presidents, hundreds of senators, and countless others who contributed to the building of what is the world's greatest society.

Pulling down statues and erasing names from the national narrative is intellectual cowardice. Celebrate the good but acknowledge the moral incorrectness of slavery. Learn from the sins of the past. Without the names listed above there is no American story.

As for mutaman, he insists on championing a poorly written story which furthers some of the most vile depictions of Native Americans ever put forth as "art." As many Scoopers know, I have been involved in working with Native communities to bring technology solutions to improve the standard of living in Indian Country. I know tribal leaders and they have an absolute revulsion for the portrayal of Natives in popular culture. And they find The Searchers to be particularly reprehensible.

Here we have a white guy in NYC who has never been to Indian Country, when told that Natives find The Searchers to be deeply offensive, goes on to cite other white guys as proof that the movie is high art.

The question is not the artistic merit but the cultural sensitivity. The fact that mutaman doesn't get that underscores his complete lack of awareness of how minorities feel about how they are cast in the public consciousness.

Is he a racist? While he might not think he is the fact that he openly champions a piece of fiction as having significant artistic merit suggests he is crudely unaware of the feelings of an entire people.

I notice he cites my listing of Triumph of the Will as significant cinema as my somehow being a Nazi. And here he misses the point entirely. Riefenstahl's work is a masterpiece of propaganda and illustrates how powerful cinema can be used as a tool for advancing a flawed belief system.

The difference between Triumph of the Will and The Searchers is that the former demonstrates the power of the new medium while the latter showcases how film could perpetuate ugly stereotypes which demean an entire race.

The fact that mutaman cannot grasp that makes him either stupidly naive or an advocate of what was the systematic destruction of a race. Stripping a people of their dignity, which is what Hollywood film did for decades in their portrayals of Natives, Asians, and blacks, is institutionalized racism.

Pretty busy-- does somebody else have the time to google this and see where Keefe plagiarized it from?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 26, 2019, 01:45:13 PM

I notice he cites my listing of Triumph of the Will as significant cinema as my somehow being a Nazi.

Can we have a link to support this claim? Where and when did i ever say that? Anyone who denies that Triumph of the Will is "significant cinema" is a fool, just like anyone who denies that the Searchers is "significant cinema"  is a fool. Anyone who claims that one who supports Triumph of the Will is a "Nazi" is a fool,  just like anyone who claims that one who supports the Searchers  favors "stripping a people of their dignity" (sic) is a fool.

keefe, you have serious emotional problems, you are an egomaniac, you are a plagiarist, and you  clearly have serious problems with women. But I don't think I ever called you a Nazi.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2019, 03:32:33 PM
As one of the people who you quoted when announcing your decision:  thank you.  It really is appreciated.  If only others would do the same.

Warrior - as of this moment I am also going "Chico free" (obviously that also includes Warrior Dad).
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on August 26, 2019, 03:41:57 PM
Just bought but haven’t tried Outsiders Pizza’s Detroit Style Genoa Salami (nh) & Wisconsin Brick Cheese. Might get devoured tonight. VERY curious.

Arent you in Minny?

My dad sold Dictaphones (red belt recorders) in the Twin Cities ages ago (early 60s ) and the sales crew met every Friday lunch at a pizza place...on University(?)...Dad always brought home another awesome pizza from there for our dinner.

...anyway the owner tells Dad about this crazy idea his wife had for freezing pizzas and selling them in the grocery store. Dad was at Totinos Italian restaurant....talking to Jim TOTINO about his wife Rose Totino's idea....I remember hearing of that kernel of invention like it was yesterday....so....my question is

....is Totino's still open as a restaurant there?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 26, 2019, 04:07:52 PM
this Totino's owned by General Mills now?

https://www.totinos.com/
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 26, 2019, 04:28:04 PM
Warrior - as of this moment I am also going "Chico free" (obviously that also includes Warrior Dad).

Congrats, my friend. It's quite liberating.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 26, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Warrior - as of this moment I am also going "Chico free" (obviously that also includes Warrior Dad).

my strong faith and Christian background teaches me to love everyone, but something about that mutation guy don't smell right
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 26, 2019, 05:20:05 PM
my strong faith and Christian background teaches me to love everyone, but something about that mutation guy don't smell right

The same strong faith that leads you to fire a woman because she inquired about her schedule at Easter? Might want to leave that story out when you are telling St Peter how you demonstrated that love for everyone.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 26, 2019, 05:40:54 PM
"St. Peter.....I've only hired women my entire life so that I can tell them how to act and dress....that was pleasing to my lord, no?"
                                     --Rocket
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 26, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
"St. Peter.....I've only hired women my entire life so that I can tell them how to act and dress....that was pleasing to my lord, no?"
                                     --Rocket
“I’m tolerant of everyone and everybody, until it MIGHT be inconvenient for me personally. Then they gotta go.”
                                 --Rocket
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: HouWarrior on August 26, 2019, 05:51:22 PM
this Totino's owned by General Mills now?

https://www.totinos.com/
Jim died ....Rose carried on and later sold out to pillsbury of Minnesota...for $22million...

Thanks for the link as it included the photo of their place...is that place still open?

Here is more on Rose:

http://www.minnesotainventors.org/inductees/rose-totino.html

amendment:
this answers question on the original location of totinos
http://www.mnhs.org/mgg/artifact/totinos_1
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 26, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
“I’m tolerant of everyone and everybody, until it MIGHT be inconvenient for me personally. Then they gotta go.”
                                 --Rocket

You guys are nuts!  ::)

Any man who calls women "Tootsie" obviously has a very deep respect for them.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 26, 2019, 06:31:35 PM
The same strong faith that leads you to fire a woman because she inquired about her schedule at Easter? Might want to leave that story out when you are telling St Peter how you demonstrated that love for everyone.

  so predictable brew-that's why i wrote it as such...speaking of writing, how's that workin out for ya ;)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 26, 2019, 06:44:44 PM
“I’m tolerant of everyone and everybody, until it MIGHT be inconvenient for me personally. Then they gotta go.”
                                 --Rocket

Sounds like a lot of other people I see nightly on the news and on social media.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 26, 2019, 06:48:11 PM
Warrior - as of this moment I am also going "Chico free" (obviously that also includes Warrior Dad).

Not Warrior Dad just as I am not Billy, but that’s ok.  It will be nice not to be called a liar incorrectly because you simply disagree.  All the best Lenny. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 26, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
Sounds like a lot of other people I see nightly on the news and on social media.
Does that make it ok?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on August 26, 2019, 07:03:56 PM
Jim died ....Rose carried on and later sold out to pillsbury of Minnesota...for $22million...

Thanks for the link as it included the photo of their place...is that place still open?

Here is more on Rose:

http://www.minnesotainventors.org/inductees/rose-totino.html

amendment:
this answers question on the original location of totinos
http://www.mnhs.org/mgg/artifact/totinos_1

Not open as far as I know. They moved to the burbs around 2008 (Mounds View, near Totino-Grace high school) and closed shortly thereafter... probably been closed 8 years?

Sale to Pillsbury was in the mid-70s.. the frozen pizza was never very good, but priced right. A great product under the name though were (are) the pizza rolls.. I think those were purchased by Pillsbury under a different name... then the name was changed to Totinos several years after acquisition...

My choice of high schools drove me away from the Totino's pizza brand... because of Totino-Grace being another Catholic school in the Twin Cities... tough to support a 'rival' .. once I figured out that Totino was named after the pizza people, I couldn't support the frozen pizzas.. but the pizza rolls in later years,... I was cool with. I'd eat some now. I'm close to going to the grocery store and grabbing some this moment.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 26, 2019, 07:12:58 PM
my strong faith and Christian background teaches me to love everyone, but something about that mutation guy don't smell right

if i were one of Boo-Boo's female employees, i'd be seriously concerned about there being a hidden camera in the ladies' room.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on August 26, 2019, 07:31:47 PM
if i were one of Boo-Boo's female employees, i'd be seriously concerned about there being a hidden camera in the ladies' room.

He may not like them bald up top, but below?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 26, 2019, 07:37:25 PM
In before the lock.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 26, 2019, 07:38:28 PM
He may not like them bald up top, but below?

 ;D
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 26, 2019, 07:53:09 PM
Does that make it ok?

No, but it would be nice every once in awhile to see the same people calling it out to be even 1/2056th as outraged when they or others that share their aligned vision are doing it.

My two cents.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 26, 2019, 07:54:07 PM
He may not like them bald up top, but below?

Really uncalled for my Mutaman....again.  The man’s wife has cancer and this crap from you?  Sad.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 26, 2019, 07:58:09 PM
No, but it would be nice every once in awhile to see the same people calling it out to be even 1/2056th as outraged when they or others that share their aligned vision are doing it.

My two cents.

I point out the hypocrites I see. I don't know nor care what's on your TV, but I'm doubting it matches what's on mine.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 26, 2019, 08:01:08 PM
I point out the hypocrites I see. I don't know nor care what's on your TV, but I'm doubting it matches what's on mine.

Who the eff cares. Seriously.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 26, 2019, 08:10:39 PM
Who the eff cares. Seriously.

I'm grieving hypocrisy. If you don't like it, you're in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 26, 2019, 08:14:25 PM
Really uncalled for my Mutaman....again.  The man’s wife has cancer and this crap from you?  Sad.

Christ what an a--h----
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on August 26, 2019, 08:30:28 PM
I'm grieving hypocrisy. If you don't like it, you're in the wrong thread.

Don’t you realize your being trolled?  Hook, line, and sinker.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 26, 2019, 08:48:05 PM
Don’t you realize your being trolled?  Hook, line, and sinker.

You keep using that word.   But I don't think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 26, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
if i were one of Boo-Boo's female employees, i'd be seriously concerned about there being a hidden camera in the ladies' room.

who thinks like this?? 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 26, 2019, 09:17:13 PM
Who the eff cares. Seriously.

 are you concerned this is going to ruin the "airing out grievances" thread? It was filled with amazing mubb insight
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 26, 2019, 09:18:34 PM
I'm grieving hypocrisy. If you don't like it, you're in the wrong thread.

hey, great title for your next literary masterpiece
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 26, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
who thinks like this??

There actually was a very well respected plastic surgeon around Chicago who did that recently in the lady's room. Not saying anything about you rocket just saying it does happen.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 26, 2019, 09:58:06 PM
I point out the hypocrites I see. I don't know nor care what's on your TV, but I'm doubting it matches what's on mine.

CNN and MSNBC aren't on your tv.  I watch both.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 27, 2019, 05:08:36 AM
There actually was a very well respected plastic surgeon around Chicago who did that recently in the lady's room. Not saying anything about you rocket just saying it does happen.

i understand eagle, but what i was alluding to was that it takes a miscreant to think like a miscreant.  i can just imagine what other sick things mutation has floating around in his gray matter.  i've been working 33 years without incident.  if one were to add up all the patient interaction hours, employee interaction hours...nothing.  that is A LOT of interaction for something to go wrong...nothing. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 27, 2019, 06:30:30 AM
  so predictable brew-that's why i wrote it as such...speaking of writing, how's that workin out for ya ;)

I forgot the passage in the Bible that told Christians to act like this.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 27, 2019, 07:23:07 AM
CNN and MSNBC aren't on your tv.  I watch both.

You shouldn’t bother with either. The 24 hour news networks are garbage. All of them.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 27, 2019, 08:34:37 AM
CNN and MSNBC aren't on your tv.  I watch both.

You're correct, they aren't.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: UWW2MU on August 27, 2019, 08:51:51 AM
Tombstone was sold to Kraft, which changed the recipe.  Kraft later sold their frozen pizza division to Nestle.

The founder of Tombstone started a new line of frozen pizza after the noncompete clause expired.  Pep's Pizza, now owned by Hansen Foods, is based on the original Tombstone recipe.

http://pepsdrafthaus.com/find-a-store/ (http://pepsdrafthaus.com/find-a-store/)

I hero right here if I ever saw one!

For the record, the Jacks brand was destroyed by them as well.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 27, 2019, 09:14:18 AM
CNN and MSNBC aren't on your tv. I watch both.

This explains it all right here..
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 27, 2019, 09:24:23 AM
i understand eagle, but what i was alluding to was that it takes a miscreant to think like a miscreant.  i can just imagine what other sick things mutation has floating around in his gray matter.  i've been working 33 years without incident.  if one were to add up all the patient interaction hours, employee interaction hours...nothing.  that is A LOT of interaction for something to go wrong...nothing.
Put it on the marquee:

“Rocket’s Denistry........not one formal sexual harassment charge in 33years!”
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 27, 2019, 09:33:17 AM
I hero right here if I ever saw one!

For the record, the Jacks brand was destroyed by them as well.

Hopefully "Frozen Pizza Historian" is low on my list of lifetime accomplishments.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 27, 2019, 09:36:19 AM
Hopefully "Frozen Pizza Historian" is low on my list of lifetime accomplishments.

Don't suppose you know some other company that took over the recipe for the old Palermo's Ultra-Thin Greek Pizza, do you? It had a white sauce, kalamata olives, feta cheese, it was awesome.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 27, 2019, 09:45:30 AM
Speaking of good pizzas, I'm not a huge fan of New York style pizza but Grimaldi's is outstanding.  The fact that we have a Grimaldi's in The Corners of Brookfield and are getting a Lou Mal's in the Fox Point area is a dream come true.  With a Lou Mal's and a Portillo's now in the Milwaukee area there's no need to ever go to Chicago again.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 27, 2019, 09:46:15 AM
Don't suppose you know some other company that took over the recipe for the old Palermo's Ultra-Thin Greek Pizza, do you? It had a white sauce, kalamata olives, feta cheese, it was awesome.

Sorry, I do not.  My sources are really only plugged into the Medford frozen pizza scene.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 27, 2019, 09:46:55 AM
Grain-free, y'all, hey?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 27, 2019, 10:00:03 AM
You shouldn’t bother with either. The 24 hour news networks are garbage. All of them.
CNN and MSNBC are not news, they are entertainment. The 24 hour "news" networks gave up on news a decade ago. They are no different than ESPN or the Disney Channel.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 27, 2019, 10:21:18 AM
Speaking of good pizzas, I'm not a huge fan of New York style pizza but Grimaldi's is outstanding.  The fact that we have a Grimaldi's in The Corners of Brookfield and are getting a Lou Mal's in the Fox Point area is a dream come true.  With a Lou Mal's and a Portillo's now in the Milwaukee area there's no need to ever go to Chicago again.
There is not a single grievance in this post.  Fail.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 10:26:38 AM
who thinks like this??

Racists
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 10:31:27 AM
I saw Blazing Saddles when I was a kid and hadn't seen it again. People talked about it so much that I finally sat down and watched it again a couple of years ago.

I was surprised -- no, actually, stunned -- at how unfunny I found it. I think I might have chuckled once or twice.

Compared to Young Frankenstein -- a true Mel Brooks masterpiece, one of the great comedies ever -- and The Producers, Saddles is some mediocre movie-making IMHO.

Mike

Frankly, nothing by Mel Brooks was very funny. They were contrived, predictable, and tepid.

Brooks had some moments but generally speaking his movies lacked wit, insight, or depth.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 27, 2019, 10:34:47 AM
Mike

Frankly, nothing by Mel Brooks was very funny. They were contrived, predictable, and tepid.

Brooks had some moments but generally speaking his movies lacked wit, insight, or depth.

I am going to agree in general but disagree specifically about Young Frankenstein, which, as I said, I consider to be a masterpiece of filmmaking.

I also enjoyed the original version of The Producers, but it certainly wasn't the movie Young Frankenstein was.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 27, 2019, 10:36:45 AM
There is not a single grievance in this post.  Fail.

Lol true. It was acknowledging the solutions to my grievances.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 10:48:10 AM
I agree but wasn't sure Jon was aware based on his certainty re: PNW, every beginning brewery appears to find IPAs easier/more forgiving and quicker to brew than any lager. Lakefront being one of the exceptions that has always brewed lagers.

My point wasn't that the PNW created the first IPA (which was correctly noted as having been started by the Brits). But as Frenns points out, the craft beers started in the PNW are completely different than the IPAs found in the UK.

Personally, I rarely ever order an IPA. As I mentioned, I stick with ambers, reds, browns, and Kolschs. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 10:50:20 AM
Who the eff cares. Seriously.

Second

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 27, 2019, 10:51:36 AM
Any y'all inta da Groove Tube, hey?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 27, 2019, 10:53:47 AM
Mike

Frankly, nothing by Mel Brooks was very funny. They were contrived, predictable, and tepid.

Brooks had some moments but generally speaking his movies lacked wit, insight, or depth.

Humor is highly subjective.  One either gets it or they don't.   Your opinion is really only relevant to yourself, so spare us your "expertise."
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 10:54:24 AM
Any y'all inta da Groove Tube, hey?

Kentucky Fried Movie?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 10:56:15 AM
Humor is highly subjective.  One either gets it or they don't.   Your opinion is really only relevant to yourself, so spare us your "expertise."

Some guys wear a Brietling while others wear a Timex. To each their own.

What time is it?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 27, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Some guys wear a Brietling while others wear a Timex. To each their own.

What time is it?

Some guys pick their nose in public so that everyone sees their class ring.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 27, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Some guys pick their nose in public so that everyone sees their class ring.

"A Notre Dame grad will pick his nose so you notice his class ring..."

Alfred McGuire
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 27, 2019, 11:49:35 AM
Some guys wear a Brietling while others wear a Timex. To each their own.

What time is it?

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 27, 2019, 01:55:17 PM
This explains it all right here..

I watch others, too.  Need to understand all points of view.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 27, 2019, 09:21:29 PM
Aggie

I never said that the actions of slave auctioneers in any time or place was or is morally acceptable. Ethics or morality is never relative.

I am against the whitewashing of history. Do we scrub Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, et al from the story of the United States? They were slave owners, among about a dozen US Presidents, hundreds of senators, and countless others who contributed to the building of what is the world's greatest society.

Pulling down statues and erasing names from the national narrative is intellectual cowardice. Celebrate the good but acknowledge the moral incorrectness of slavery. Learn from the sins of the past. Without the names listed above there is no American story.

Appreciate the response Crash. I think we are closer together on the topic than I remembered. I also abhor whitewashing history. I was lucky enough to have teachers in high school and professors in college who insisted that we learned history and literature not through the eyes of the victors/oppressors but through the eyes of the conquered and oppressed.

I agree that trying to erase history is cowardice. I also think that hiding history is cowardice. I'm fine keeping the statues up and names on the wall.....as long as there is an actual acknowledgement of the sins of the past included.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 27, 2019, 09:54:14 PM
Appreciate the response Crash. I think we are closer together on the topic than I remembered. I also abhor whitewashing history. I was lucky enough to have teachers in high school and professors in college who insisted that we learned history and literature not through the eyes of the victors/oppressors but through the eyes of the conquered and oppressed.

I agree that trying to erase history is cowardice. I also think that hiding history is cowardice. I'm fine keeping the statues up and names on the wall.....as long as there is an actual acknowledgement of the sins of the past included.

Straight out of the Mike Pence playbook.

"What we have to walk away from is the desire to erase parts of our history just in the name of some contemporary political cause."
Mike Pence

“Some contemporary political cause”? You mean, not celebrating the people who waged war on the United States of America in order to maintain slavery?"
Paul Waldman
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/22/the-lie-of-maintaining-confederate-monuments-in-the-name-of-history/





Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 27, 2019, 10:02:45 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nLhdSinRtaL2E/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 27, 2019, 10:03:48 PM
Straight out of the Mike Pence playbook.

"What we have to walk away from is the desire to erase parts of our history just in the name of some contemporary political cause."
Mike Pence

“Some contemporary political cause”? You mean, not celebrating the people who waged war on the United States of America in order to maintain slavery?"
Paul Waldman
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/22/the-lie-of-maintaining-confederate-monuments-in-the-name-of-history/

Don't think he was referring to confederate stuff. Guessing it's more about the founding fathers who were slave owners.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 27, 2019, 10:25:11 PM
Don't think he was referring to confederate stuff. Guessing it's more about the founding fathers who were slave owners.

No. This is all about "the confederate stuff" . Making this about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson was just a really bad analogy that Keefe made that he pulled out of National Review.   Washington and Jefferson did not fight in a war against the United States.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 27, 2019, 10:47:01 PM
No. This is all about "the confederate stuff" . Making this about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson was just a really bad analogy that Keefe made that he pulled out of National Review.   Washington and Jefferson did not fight in a war against the United States.

I'm referring to a thread that happened awhile ago about Georgetown considering renaming academic buildings because the namesake had organized a slave auction to support the university.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 27, 2019, 10:47:35 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nLhdSinRtaL2E/giphy.gif)

Was he bringing those pizzas to a meeting of the meat eaters?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 09:09:17 AM
Don't think he was referring to confederate stuff. Guessing it's more about the founding fathers who were slave owners.


Hmm...politics....not you, but the one on ignore.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 09:46:26 AM

Hmm...politics....not you, but the one on ignore.

Cheeks, the point of the ignore button is to ignore the person.  Sniping at them when someone else happens to quote them kind of defeats the purpose.  For the love of all that is good, ignore the people you should be ignoring on here.  You know who they are.  And, thankfully, some of them know who you are and are ignoring you.  It'll do you good.  It'll do all of us good.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 28, 2019, 09:48:48 AM
And instead of bi*tching about their posts, report them to the moderators. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 10:09:06 AM
And instead of bi*tching about their posts, report them to the moderators.

To what end?  In my personal opinion, it's not up to the moderators to address it.  But that's me.  I think sometimes, learning that the rest of the scoop community is sick and tired of their crap -- not just the people they're constantly fighting with -- can have an effect.  It recently has worked with some on this board.  I'm hoping that maybe it can work in this case.

But, if you're into reporting stuff to the moderators, you probably should have just reported my post...instead of bi*tching about it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 28, 2019, 10:20:07 AM
Let's get back to non-Scoop grievances.

Last night, I was bitten by 3 mosquitoes and one bee, and that really pisses me off.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on August 28, 2019, 10:21:24 AM
I've never heard of someone getting bitten by a bee before, how does that work?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
Let's get back to non-Scoop grievances.

Last night, I was bitten by 3 mosquitoes and one bee, and that really pisses me off.

My grievance:  when "the man" tells me what I can grieve and what I cannot grieve.   ;)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 28, 2019, 10:34:37 AM
Let's get back to non-Scoop grievances.

Last night, I was bitten by 3 mosquitoes and one bee, and that really pisses me off.



Sure dat wuzant wonna dem adolescent dreams, hey?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 28, 2019, 10:45:42 AM
I've never heard of someone getting bitten by a bee before, how does that work?
My grievance:  when "the man" tells me what I can grieve and what I cannot grieve.   ;)

These guys are on the list. >:(
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 28, 2019, 11:24:00 AM
Let's get back to non-Scoop grievances.

Last night, I was bitten by 3 mosquitoes and one bee, and that really pisses me off.

You were bitten by a bee?

Pretty incredible
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
Why are so many women these days "tatted" up, and why do so few wear make up anymore unless it's a "special" occasion of some sort??
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 12:01:15 PM
Why are so many women these days "tatted" up, and why do so few wear make up anymore unless it's a "special" occasion of some sort??

Why're you grieving about this rather than just thinking they aren't your demographic of paramour 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: CTWarrior on August 28, 2019, 12:04:22 PM
Since when do we pronounce the 't' in "often"?  Infuriating to my ears.

I also really hate the comment "It is what it is."  Everything is what it is. 

I also hate it when the word "height" is pronounced like "heighth".
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on August 28, 2019, 12:10:33 PM
"Acrosst" drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 12:15:04 PM
Why're you grieving about this rather than just thinking they aren't your demographic of paramour

That's my grievance...there are so many of them that fit the above, that leaves VERY little to choose from my preferred demographic.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: checkmarq on August 28, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/nLhdSinRtaL2E/giphy.gif)

This gif brightened my morning; thank you
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 12:20:27 PM
That's my grievance...there are so many of them that fit the above, that leaves VERY little to choose from my preferred demographic.

Sounds like a personal problem stemming from your opinion on what exist for.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 12:31:01 PM
#3 pronounced tree.

Unsolved and unbelievable pronounced onsloved, onbelievable.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 28, 2019, 12:31:20 PM
That's my grievance...there are so many of them that fit the above, that leaves VERY little to choose from my preferred demographic.

Guru only dates STUD(ETTES)!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
People who drive in the left lane and don’t leave the left lane despite getting passed repeatedly
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 12:37:02 PM
Why are so many women these days "tatted" up, and why do so few wear make up anymore unless it's a "special" occasion of some sort??

Better let rocket handle this one
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 12:37:55 PM
#3 pronounced tree.

Unsolved and unbelievable pronounced onsloved, onbelievable.

I would not suggest going to Ireland if this bugs you
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on August 28, 2019, 12:39:01 PM
People who drive in the left lane and don’t leave the left lane despite getting passed repeatedly
Truck driver going 65 in the right lane, truck driver decides to pass going 65.0000000001 MPH. I swear today it took the driver over a mile to pass the other driver today.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 12:42:17 PM
people that point with their middle finger instead of their "pointer"   and they do it nonchalantly like...what? 

 


Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 12:49:36 PM
I would not suggest going to Ireland if this bugs you
Wait....so you would suggest not going to Ireland or you would not suggest I go? Slight difference  ;)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: BM1090 on August 28, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
That's my grievance...there are so many of them that fit the above, that leaves VERY little to choose from my preferred demographic.

What do you consider tatted up? Most women i know still wear makeup to work.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 28, 2019, 01:06:41 PM
people who overuse "literally."  We used to hang out with a girl who used it in almost every sentence. She "literally died" in one story she was telling at last three times.  So, I guess I was hanging out with a ghost or something?

On the driving comments, people who speed up to keep you from passing them.  It's not a race. If you are going slower than me and I am passing what is your problem? Why are you speeding up to prevent me from getting by, especially if you're in the left lane going the below speed limit?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 28, 2019, 01:08:11 PM
Why are so many women these days "tatted" up, and why do so few wear make up anymore unless it's a "special" occasion of some sort??

what do you consider "tatted up?"
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
This thread has become pet peeves, which I don't believe was the OP's intention. But that's cool. Pet peeves are fun.

Agree with CTWarrior about "it is what it is." Coaches say it all the time. I used to turn to my friends and say, "I'll give a coach $100 if just one time he says, "It is what it isn't.'"

My biggest pet peeve the last couple of years is the incessant use of "right?" by those talking, often in the middle of sentences. People on TV do it all the time, but it's filtered down to "regular folks," too. Most recently, we had a school-wide coaches meeting and one of the guest speakers did it constantly. Drove me nuts.

It goes something like this:

"The bridge was closed right? so I had to walk around. Got to the end of the road right? and so the cop there stopped me and said I had to go back. Now I'm getting pissed right? and it's hard for me to contain my temper. But I'm a teacher right? and I can't afford to act out in public."

That isn't even a really extreme example. Happens all the time. Aaaagh!

The other fairly recent speech-pattern tick is starting sentences with the word "so."

Person 1: "Are you going to the movies tonight?"

Person 2: "So, I was going to, but something came up."

Person 1: "What came up?"

Person 2: "So, I was talking with one of my friends right? and she needed my help."
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 28, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
people that point with their middle finger instead of their "pointer"   and they do it nonchalantly like...what?

An extreme rarity of me replying to doc. 

It's a cultural thing.  The middle finger is not the middle finger in all cultures.  I knew people from Europe (certain countries) and Israel who always pointed with the middle finger.  I always had to think about it for a split second.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 02:09:08 PM
what do you consider "tatted up?"

Visible, larger tattoos(plural) anywhere on the body...particularly the arms...small one's not visible like on an ankle or a foot etc=Not tatted up and I for one don't mind that. Even a small one on the wrist I don't mind.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 28, 2019, 02:13:47 PM
Visible, larger tattoos(plural) anywhere on the body...particularly the arms...small one's not visible like on an ankle or a foot etc=Not tatted up and I for one don't mind that. Even a small one on the wrist I don't mind.

gotcha. My wife has three so I wanted to know your definition.  One on her back, one on her trap and one on her outer forearm (reading "Cura Personalis").

I don't get full tattoo sleeves but to each their own. The one I will never understand is the neck, especially the throat.  That has to hurt like hell and there's no covering that one up!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 02:16:17 PM
most people who get tattoos don't get them to cover them up.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2019, 02:22:30 PM
People who take stances and are then hurt and angry that others disagree and argue the other side.   You are entitled to free speech.   Others are entitled to disagree and vigorously argue their side.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 02:37:33 PM
People who take stances and are then hurt and angry that others disagree and argue the other side.   You are entitled to free speech.   Others are entitled to disagree and vigorously argue their side.

I disagree!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on August 28, 2019, 02:39:20 PM
This thread has become pet peeves, which I don't believe was the OP's intention. But that's cool. Pet peeves are fun.

Agree with CTWarrior about "it is what it is." Coaches say it all the time. I used to turn to my friends and say, "I'll give a coach $100 if just one time he says, "It is what it isn't.'"

My biggest pet peeve the last couple of years is the incessant use of "right?" by those talking, often in the middle of sentences. People on TV do it all the time, but it's filtered down to "regular folks," too. Most recently, we had a school-wide coaches meeting and one of the guest speakers did it constantly. Drove me nuts.

It goes something like this:

"The bridge was closed right? so I had to walk around. Got to the end of the road right? and so the cop there stopped me and said I had to go back. Now I'm getting pissed right? and it's hard for me to contain my temper. But I'm a teacher right? and I can't afford to act out in public."

That isn't even a really extreme example. Happens all the time. Aaaagh!

The other fairly recent speech-pattern tick is starting sentences with the word "so."

Person 1: "Are you going to the movies tonight?"

Person 2: "So, I was going to, but something came up."

Person 1: "What came up?"

Person 2: "So, I was talking with one of my friends right? and she needed my help."
I made a drinking game out of the word "so" during the last democratic debate.  Lizbeth Warren started almost every sentence that way.  I was hammered.

And I couldn't agree more about the word, "right" and "it is what it is".  Just. Plain. Dumb.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on August 28, 2019, 02:41:26 PM
Ear guages.  I remember years ago, pulling up to a toll booth in Illinois (before I-passes) and the attendant had huge gauges in each ear.  My kids (youn at the time) were horrified.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 02:45:38 PM
gotcha. My wife has three so I wanted to know your definition.  One on her back, one on her trap and one on her outer forearm (reading "Cura Personalis").

I don't get full tattoo sleeves but to each their own. The one I will never understand is the neck, especially the throat.  That has to hurt like hell and there's no covering that one up!

This is NOT tatted up by my definition..and yes, the arm sleeves...I don't think they look good on men, on women...even less so, and there are plenty of them that have them. Or even if it's not technically a sleeve, but several tats on the arms...No no no! Why...just...why?? In a perfect world, I'd like to see them have none, and the only piercings they have would be their ears.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on August 28, 2019, 02:47:07 PM
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58801.0
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 28, 2019, 03:09:16 PM
I have a new grievance of people who have a problem with saying bees biting, instead of bees stinging.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 03:09:55 PM
This thread has become pet peeves, which I don't believe was the OP's intention. But that's cool. Pet peeves are fun.

Agree with CTWarrior about "it is what it is." Coaches say it all the time. I used to turn to my friends and say, "I'll give a coach $100 if just one time he says, "It is what it isn't.'"

My biggest pet peeve the last couple of years is the incessant use of "right?" by those talking, often in the middle of sentences. People on TV do it all the time, but it's filtered down to "regular folks," too. Most recently, we had a school-wide coaches meeting and one of the guest speakers did it constantly. Drove me nuts.

It goes something like this:

"The bridge was closed right? so I had to walk around. Got to the end of the road right? and so the cop there stopped me and said I had to go back. Now I'm getting pissed right? and it's hard for me to contain my temper. But I'm a teacher right? and I can't afford to act out in public."

That isn't even a really extreme example. Happens all the time. Aaaagh!

The other fairly recent speech-pattern tick is starting sentences with the word "so."

Person 1: "Are you going to the movies tonight?"

Person 2: "So, I was going to, but something came up."

Person 1: "What came up?"

Person 2: "So, I was talking with one of my friends right? and she needed my help."

Similarly:  constant repetition of the word "like" -- often in place of "said".  Other times as some sort of strange modifier.  And sometimes it's just instead of a good old-fashioned, "ummmm."

My kids drive me crazy with this.  And then I drive them crazy.  When it's particularly bad, I'll hold my hands up and count on my fingers each time they say it.  They get the picture pretty quickly when I easily hit double digits within a minute.  "And so, I...like...saw John, and I was like 'where were you yesterday?' and he was like, 'I wanted to go, but I was...like...really tired...like totally exhausted!.' And so I was like, 'I...like...totally get it.  It's...like...ridiculous how much homework we had last light.  Like, really crazy!' and he was like, 'I know, right?'"

I catch myself doing it from time to time.  I really don't like that.   ;)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on August 28, 2019, 03:19:52 PM
When the a$$hole I work with always brings up politics and tries to have a “nice conversation” knowing damn well we will never see eye to eye and just wants to start an argument
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on August 28, 2019, 03:26:29 PM
When the a$$hole I work with always brings up politics and tries to have a “nice conversation” knowing damn well we will never see eye to eye and just wants to start an argument


You work with Chicos?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
Similarly:  constant repetition of the word "like" -- often in place of "said".  Other times as some sort of strange modifier.  And sometimes it's just instead of a good old-fashioned, "ummmm."

My kids drive me crazy with this.  And then I drive them crazy.  When it's particularly bad, I'll hold my hands up and count on my fingers each time they say it.  They get the picture pretty quickly when I easily hit double digits within a minute.  "And so, I...like...saw John, and I was like 'where were you yesterday?' and he was like, 'I wanted to go, but I was...like...really tired...like totally exhausted!.' And so I was like, 'I...like...totally get it.  It's...like...ridiculous how much homework we had last light.  Like, really crazy!' and he was like, 'I know, right?'"

I catch myself doing it from time to time.  I really don't like that.   ;)

Definitely agree, but that's been going on for a long time. I had friends who said "like" constantly when I was in grade school and high school.

How about using "goes" instead of "said" or "says." And the funny thing is, the person often says it twice, like this:

"I was talkin' to my girlfriend, and, like, she goes she goes, 'Are you an idiot?' And I go I go, 'I'm not the idiot, you're the idiot.' So, like, she goes she goes, 'Take it back, you idiot.' Well, like, um, she's not my girlfriend any more, right? My mom asks if I'm upset, so I go I go, 'Like no, not really.'"
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on August 28, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
Definitely agree, but that's been going on for a long time. I had friends who said "like" constantly when I was in grade school and high school.

How about using "goes" instead of "said" or "says." And the funny thing is, the person often says it twice, like this:

"I was talkin' to my girlfriend, and, like, she goes she goes, 'Are you an idiot?' And I go I go, 'I'm not the idiot, you're the idiot.' So, like, she goes she goes, 'Take it back, you idiot.' Well, like, um, she's not my girlfriend any more, right? My mom asks if I'm upset, so I go I go, 'Like no, not really.'"

U must hang with some really stupid people.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2019, 03:36:26 PM
When the a$$hole I work with always brings up politics and tries to have a “nice conversation” knowing damn well we will never see eye to eye and just wants to start an argument
Had one of those recently.  I said that we can do this, but we aren't going to change each other's minds and we will just end up pissed.  So lets talk about anything else, like....
We then spent a couple of hours on topics where we could educate each other and find common ground.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: buckchuckler on August 28, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
eh.  NM.  wrong thread.  I know.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 28, 2019, 03:58:34 PM
.... I'm apparently the only music fan that knows who Waldo Jeffers was. Grievance?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 28, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
.... I'm apparently the only music fan that knows who Waldo Jeffers was. Grievance?

had to look it up. I love Lou but have to admit the Gift didn't click for me. Will give it another chance.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 28, 2019, 04:25:58 PM
gotcha. My wife has three so I wanted to know your definition.  One on her back, one on her trap and one on her outer forearm (reading "Cura Personalis"

Feel stupid asking but she has one on her trap?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 28, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
Feel stupid asking but she has one on her trap?

I'm guessing trapezius muscle
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
Feel stupid asking but she has one on her trap?
Haha—that’s great
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on August 28, 2019, 04:46:45 PM
Feel stupid asking but she has one on her trap?

I didn’t want to ask first.   Thanks Len

(I would not have guessed her trapezius)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 28, 2019, 04:50:12 PM
Why are so many women these days "tatted" up, and why do so few wear make up anymore unless it's a "special" occasion of some sort??
Because styles change?  You also don't see a lot of hoop skirts or knee-length bathing suits these days either.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 28, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
Feel stupid asking but she has one on her trap?
Euphemism?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 04:58:39 PM
Because styles change?  You also don't see a lot of hoop skirts or knee-length bathing suits these days either.

You also don't see women wearing dresses very often either anymore...sure, they still do, again if it's a special occasion or they need to "dress up" for something, but rarely I'd say do they ever go in their closet and pick out a dress to wear for the day "just because". Nor do many put on make up when they leave the house no matter where they are going or how long they will be gone. It used to be commonplace for both. Sad.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 04:59:29 PM
Because styles change? 

Which is exactly the best reason not to get a tattoo.

Also, I think you are wrong that fewer women are wearing makeup.  Eyeshadow, especially in the daytime, is out of style right now, which is what you might be noticing.  Neutral lipstick and blush colors are also more popular now.  What you might assume is "no makeup" might be simply more natural-looking makeup.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on August 28, 2019, 05:03:26 PM
You also don't see women wearing dresses very often either anymore...sure, they still do, again if it's a special occasion or they need to "dress up" for something, but rarely I'd say do they ever go in their closet and pick out a dress to wear for the day "just because". Nor do many put on make up when they leave the house no matter where they are going or how long they will be gone. It used to be commonplace for both. Sad.

Are you for real?  I’m sure you’re a clean shaven,striking lad who wears a shirt, tie and a pair of slacks everyday. Maybe even a nice sweater when there’s a chill in the air.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 05:03:38 PM
You also don't see women wearing dresses very often either anymore...sure, they still do, again if it's a special occasion or they need to "dress up" for something, but rarely I'd say do they ever go in their closet and pick out a dress to wear for the day "just because".

WTF are you talking about? I see way more women wearing dresses for casual and daywear than I did twenty or thirty years ago.  Other than jeans (which I wear mostly on Casual Friday), I own exactly two pairs of pants, and I have a closet full of dresses.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
Are you for real?  I’m sure you’re a clean shaven,striking lad who wears a shirt, tie and a pair of slacks everyday. Maybe even a nice sweater when there’s a chill in the air.

Oh, for the good old days when your woman would have supper waiting on the table for you when you walked through the front door, and went to bed with her hair in curlers and her face covered in cold cream.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 28, 2019, 05:06:32 PM
Which is exactly the best reason not to get a tattoo.

Also, I think you are wrong that fewer women are wearing makeup.  Eyeshadow, especially in the daytime, is out of style right now, which is what you might be noticing.  Neutral lipstick and blush colors are also more popular now.  What you might assume is "no makeup" might be simply more natural-looking makeup.
I didn't say it, guru did, FWIW
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 05:07:03 PM
I didn't say it, guru did, FWIW

Just making the point....
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 28, 2019, 05:11:13 PM
You also don't see women wearing dresses very often either anymore...sure, they still do, again if it's a special occasion or they need to "dress up" for something, but rarely I'd say do they ever go in their closet and pick out a dress to wear for the day "just because". Nor do many put on make up when they leave the house no matter where they are going or how long they will be gone. It used to be commonplace for both. Sad.

It's a real shame women these days seem so unconcerned about making your wieiner happy.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 05:18:11 PM
You also don't see women wearing dresses very often either anymore...sure, they still do, again if it's a special occasion or they need to "dress up" for something, but rarely I'd say do they ever go in their closet and pick out a dress to wear for the day "just because". Nor do many put on make up when they leave the house no matter where they are going or how long they will be gone. It used to be commonplace for both. Sad.

Did rocket hack his account? What is happening.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:20:46 PM
Which is exactly the best reason not to get a tattoo.

Also, I think you are wrong that fewer women are wearing makeup.  Eyeshadow, especially in the daytime, is out of style right now, which is what you might be noticing.  Neutral lipstick and blush colors are also more popular now.  What you might assume is "no makeup" might be simply more natural-looking makeup.

I don't think I am wrong...look at how many women now days are self proclaimed tomboys, but can be "girly" when they need to be. I talk to plenty of women that say they don't wear make up because they "don't have time for that". Really??
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
It's a real shame women these days seem so unconcerned about making your wieiner happy.

Has absolutely ZERO to do with that. But thanks anyway. Just old fashioned and believe in traditional gender roles. Yes, that means opening a door for a lady, buying her flowers randomly etc. I'm more than happy to do those things, but my experience has been it's extremely rare to find a woman that feels the same way.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 05:26:58 PM
I don't think I am wrong...
No kidding
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
Oh, for the good old days when your woman would have supper waiting on the table for you when you walked through the front door, and went to bed with her hair in curlers and her face covered in cold cream.

Actually, she doesn't need to make my supper...I'm way too picky of an eater anyway and she'd just get frustrated. But I do appreciate a lady that isn't all tatted up, wears make up whenever she leaves the house, for any reason, and one that likes an old fashioned man and believes in the traditional gender roles and acts as such. THAT part is the biggest problem now days.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 05:28:22 PM
I don't think I am wrong...look at how many women now days are self proclaimed tomboys, but can be "girly" when they need to be. I talk to plenty of women that say they don't wear make up because they "don't have time for that". Really??

Here's what I'm reading into your statements. Either by "these days" you're chatting up women who are your age and not realizing all the good ones are taken and you've failed to stay true to your generations evolution of single life. OR by "these days" you mean younger women that you're hitting on which is extremely creepy OR you're upset because said younger women aren't eye candy for you which is makes you the worst type of guy and extremely creepy.

If someone can find a route where he comes out looking normal in these statements please tell me.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: oldwarrior81 on August 28, 2019, 05:30:00 PM
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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2019, 05:30:11 PM
I find that women like having doors held for them.     And so do men.    Most people appreciate kind gestures.    I only buy one woman flowers randomly, and after 27 years, she generally reacts with suspicion.    And while you long for a woman who wants to be treated like a lady, I find that most want to be treated like an equal first.   
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on August 28, 2019, 05:32:05 PM
Actually, she doesn't need to make my supper...I'm way too picky of an eater anyway and she'd just get frustrated. But I do appreciate a lady that isn't all tatted up, wears make up whenever she leaves the house, for any reason, and one that likes an old fashioned man and believes in the traditional gender roles and acts as such. THAT part is the biggest problem now days.


Let me guess. You’re single.

Please tell me you don’t have children.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:33:39 PM
Since we are kind of on this topic(or at least I am)...honestly this is a HUGE HUGE pet peeve of mine..but the amount of women I have met through the years that INSIST on calling their undergarments underwear instead of the appropriate term of "panties", is striking to me. For some reason they feel offended by that word, and feel it's abhorrent. Have never understood that.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 28, 2019, 05:36:48 PM
Has absolutely ZERO to do with that. But thanks anyway. Just old fashioned and believe in traditional gender roles.

Traditional gender roles ... like when manly men wore wigs, makeup, colorful flowing coats, knickers and heels?

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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:37:32 PM

Let me guess. You’re single.

Please tell me you don’t have children.

I'm divorced but my ex wife was EXTREMELY girly...wore make up all the time, wore dresses, knew absolutely NOTHING about sports(and didn't care to), didn't know how to fix anything(didn't want to) etc. Please don't misunderstand, there is NOTHING wrong with women that are more tomboyish then girly now days. I have met a lot of them, and they are wonderful people. We all have different things we prefer with everything...Some people like apples and some people like oranges. It's really that simple.

Yes, I have kids.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 05:37:48 PM
An extreme rarity of me replying to doc. 

It's a cultural thing.  The middle finger is not the middle finger in all cultures.  I knew people from Europe (certain countries) and Israel who always pointed with the middle finger.  I always had to think about it for a split second.

interesting-thanks for that-yes, my experience has been noting it with seasoned citizens and the like.  i've had a few younger to middle aged people use "it", but i think that was more of a familial thing.   
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 05:40:50 PM
Actually, she doesn't need to make my supper...I'm way too picky of an eater anyway and she'd just get frustrated. But I do appreciate a lady that isn't all tatted up, wears make up whenever she leaves the house, for any reason, and one that likes an old fashioned man and believes in the traditional gender roles and acts as such. THAT part is the biggest problem now days.


My god
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:41:09 PM
Here's what I'm reading into your statements. Either by "these days" you're chatting up women who are your age and not realizing all the good ones are taken and you've failed to stay true to your generations evolution of single life. OR by "these days" you mean younger women that you're hitting on which is extremely creepy OR you're upset because said younger women aren't eye candy for you which is makes you the worst type of guy and extremely creepy.

If someone can find a route where he comes out looking normal in these statements please tell me.

Thanks for making assumptions, and actually, the younger one's are the one's that do seem to fit the "more girly" type these days. That's where the problem lies....women my age are VERY rarely "truly" girly now days, at least the one's I have met. Hence why I'm still single.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 05:41:52 PM
Since we are kind of on this topic(or at least I am)...honestly this is a HUGE HUGE pet peeve of mine..but the amount of women I have met through the years that INSIST on calling their undergarments underwear instead of the appropriate term of "panties", is striking to me. For some reason they feel offended by that word, and feel it's abhorrent. Have never understood that.

 
 what happened to going commando?  ok, if a more formal event-underbritches. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
Since we are kind of on this topic(or at least I am)...honestly this is a HUGE HUGE pet peeve of mine..but the amount of women I have met through the years that INSIST on calling their undergarments underwear instead of the appropriate term of "panties", is striking to me. For some reason they feel offended by that word, and feel it's abhorrent. Have never understood that.

Wtf is going on. Greatest scoop of all time
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2019, 05:43:27 PM
Thanks for making assumptions, and actually, the younger one's are the one's that do seem to fit the "more girly" type these days. That's where the problem lies....women my age are VERY rarely "truly" girly now days, at least the one's I have met. Hence why I'm still single.

Order a bride online
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 05:44:04 PM
Hence why I'm still single.

From the last 3 pages of content I'd have to say there is another reason.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:44:48 PM

My god

I'm guessing you're most likely a millennial. If not, I apologize, but, why can I not have my preferences, just as you have yours?? I don't see how I'm disparaging women in any way by saying those things. You are obviously not old enough to realize that it USED to be that way. Is it wrong to be old fashioned?? How?? Not sure I understand how that's wrong??
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 05:45:15 PM

Yes, I have kids.
And they damn sure better cover that face with makeup before they walk out that door!
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jables1604 on August 28, 2019, 05:45:59 PM
I have several tattoos. Each one has a very personal, special meaning to me. I waited til later in life to get them (otherwise I’d likely be walking around with a skateboard tattooed to my calf). I have a job where I wear a suit everyday during the week. I can cover them with clothing when it could potentially put people off (picking a jury for example) or wear a short sleeve shirt otherwise. I have never once regretted getting any of them. In fact, they are somewhat addicting.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:51:53 PM
And they damn sure better cover that face with makeup before they walk out that door!

My sons??
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 05:53:39 PM
I have several tattoos. Each one has a very personal, special meaning to me. I waited til later in life to get them (otherwise I’d likely be walking around with a skateboard tattooed to my calf). I have a job where I wear a suit everyday during the week. I can cover them with clothing when it could potentially put people off (picking a jury for example) or wear a short sleeve shirt otherwise. I have never once regretted getting any of them. In fact, they are somewhat addicting.


Never had a tattoo and never wanted one...when I was growing up, my dad made it clear that if i ever came home with a tattoo or my ear pierced I'd be looking for another place to live.

That doesn't make people that have them bad...to each their own. Was just never my thing.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 06:14:45 PM
...look at how many women now days are self proclaimed tomboys...

I'm trying to remember the last time I heard a woman proclaim herself a "tomboy."  It's been a while, and it's certainly not frequent.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 06:15:58 PM
No kidding

OK, I actually laughed out loud.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 28, 2019, 06:31:19 PM

My god

Notice the lower case g
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 28, 2019, 06:42:15 PM
Nothin' worse dan panty lines showin' under yo yoga pants, aina?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 06:49:40 PM
My sons??
Ok...clean shaven, starched shirt (tucked in), pleated khakis and docksiders with no socks.


Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 06:59:07 PM
Notice the lower case g

good catch there jonny-revealing-'nuff said
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 07:02:13 PM
Ok...clean shaven, starched shirt (tucked in), pleated khakis and docksiders with no socks.

Don't forget the rep tie and the monogrammed linen handkerchief.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 28, 2019, 07:06:44 PM
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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 07:14:27 PM
Ok...clean shaven, starched shirt (tucked in), pleated khakis and docksiders with no socks.

No...
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on August 28, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Wow, glad I read this...

Actually, Guru, I get where you’re coming from.  In my experience I can agree that the younger ones seem more “girly” then maybe females your age.   

I know a few guys who share your same preferences. I chose to get hitched to an Asian woman. I felt their traditions more so align with my preferences over the years of dating multiple females.

Best of luck Guru!!

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 07:17:31 PM
good catch there jonny-revealing-'nuff said

What exactly is that revealing?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on August 28, 2019, 07:26:29 PM
females

Good lord.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
What exactly is that revealing?

i may not capitalize much, but when it comes to God and Christmas, etc. i ALWAYS capitalize.  never use the term for Christmas using x.  i believe terms as such deserve the utmost respect. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 07:41:05 PM
Wow, glad I read this...

Actually, Guru, I get where you’re coming from.  In my experience I can agree that the younger ones seem more “girly” then maybe females your age.   

I know a few guys who share your same preferences. I chose to get hitched to an Asian woman. I felt their traditions more so align with my preferences over the years of dating multiple females.

Best of luck Guru!!

Thanks man...the bolded part actually surprises me...It's good to know i'm not alone. I was starting to be concerned about alot of today's male population.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 28, 2019, 07:42:52 PM
MAGA? I guess?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 07:44:01 PM
I'm trying to remember the last time I heard a woman proclaim herself a "tomboy."  It's been a while, and it's certainly not frequent.

If I ask someone are you more "girly" or more tomboy. I overwhelming get more "tomboy" responses than "girly" responses. And of course everyone's definition of "girly" is different. Then I have met some who say they are far more "girly". Except when I start to spend time with them, and observe their mannerisms etc, and they are certainly not "girly" by my definition anyway. Sometimes yes, they are, but not all the time.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 07:44:43 PM
i may not capitalize much, but when it comes to God and Christmas, etc. i ALWAYS capitalize.  never use the term for Christmas using x.  i believe terms as such deserve the utmost respect.

Yeah but if someone is an atheist or agnostic do they owe such respect when saying "Oh my God". For the record I agree with you regarding Christmas but that phrase relates to their personal beliefs so what else does it reveal other than their religious beliefs?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
MAGA? I guess?
No need for that.   Let grievances air.  Let opinions be known.   Don't take this thread there.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 28, 2019, 07:47:22 PM
Nothin' worse dan panty lines showin' under yo yoga pants, aina?

VPL is one of the most hateful visual affronts to a solid workout.

Nothing offends my engineering sensibilities more than 10 pounds crammed into a 5 pound sack. I find this practice more prevalent in the south and upper midwest than in other regions.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TinyTimsLittleBrother on August 28, 2019, 07:49:10 PM
i may not capitalize much, but when it comes to God and Christmas, etc. i ALWAYS capitalize.  never use the term for Christmas using x.  i believe terms as such deserve the utmost respect. 

So God is capitalized when you are referring to the Christian God. It’s his/her name.

Christmas is capitalized because it’s a proper name. It has nothing to do with respect.

You couldn’t be more of a brainless, slack jawed Fox News viewer if you tried.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 28, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
Good lord.
Rocket alert!  Chastise this man for failing to live up to your beliefs.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 28, 2019, 07:53:33 PM
Rachel. Rachel Madow.

Williams. Brian Williams. Brian "There I Wasn't" Williams. Brian "Stolen Valor" Williams.

Where do we get such men?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 28, 2019, 07:55:31 PM
So God is capitalized when you are referring to the Christian God. It’s his/her name.

Christmas is capitalized because it’s a proper name. It has nothing to do with respect.

You couldn’t be more of a brainless, slack jawed Fox News viewer if you tried.
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 28, 2019, 08:01:59 PM
I find that women like having doors held for them.     And so do men.    Most people appreciate kind gestures.    I only buy one woman flowers randomly, and after 27 years, she generally reacts with suspicion.    And while you long for a woman who wants to be treated like a lady, I find that most want to be treated like an equal first.   

Agree on the "door thing" and am generally quick to hold one open for women and men, friends and strangers. And, as you say, a polite or thoughtful gesture is usually appreciated.

But, as you say, equality first. On a first date 48 years ago next month, the young lady and I chatted as we walked from her dorm to my car. I arrived at the driver's side and opened the door, She stood at the passenger's side and gave me a bit of a look. I was slightly flummoxed, knew I had screwed up - but recovered quickly. "You know, (fill in her name), I've been wanting to ask you out and get to know you better for a while. If I'd known you didn't know how to open a car door I might not have been so eager". She laughed. 46 years of marriage, 4 kids, 5 grands and counting - thank God she had a sense of humor. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 08:03:10 PM
Yeah but if someone is an atheist or agnostic do they owe such respect when saying "Oh my God". For the record I agree with you regarding Christmas but that phrase relates to their personal beliefs so what else does it reveal other than their religious beliefs?

  with all due respect eagle, i still think, regardless of belief in or not, the word or mention of God should be capitalized.  but that's just my prejudice and belief system. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 28, 2019, 08:03:14 PM
No need for that.   Let grievances air.  Let opinions be known.   Don't take this thread there.

I thought it was pretty funny. Hilltopper seems to appreciate a good joke.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
So God is capitalized when you are referring to the Christian God. It’s his/her name.

Christmas is capitalized because it’s a proper name. It has nothing to do with respect.

You couldn’t be more of a brainless, slack jawed Fox News viewer if you tried.

  very enlightening there tiny-have a good one
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 08:06:15 PM
  with all due respect eagle, i still think, regardless of belief in or not, the word or mention of God should be capitalized.  but that's just my prejudice and belief system.

But your confused by the term god. It's not a singular thing. God has stood for many things, long before your religion came about. There have been many god's. So if we are talking about the god you believe in, Yahweh, then yes God would be capitalized.

However not everyone is Christian or Jewish and therefore do not refer to all god's as God.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 28, 2019, 08:06:26 PM
Are you for real?  I’m sure you’re a clean shaven,striking lad who wears a shirt, tie and a pair of slacks everyday. Maybe even a nice sweater when there’s a chill in the air.



I think you meant "trousers".
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 28, 2019, 08:09:21 PM
Actually, she doesn't need to make my supper...I'm way too picky of an eater anyway and she'd just get frustrated. But I do appreciate a lady that isn't all tatted up, wears make up whenever she leaves the house, for any reason, and one that likes an old fashioned man and believes in the traditional gender roles and acts as such. THAT part is the biggest problem now days.

Wow. I thought you were tiresome in the basketball threads. Who knew?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 08:13:05 PM
But your confused by the term god. It's not a singular thing. God has stood for many things, long before your religion came about. There have been many god's. So if we are talking about the god you believe in, Yahweh, then yes God would be capitalized.

However not everyone is Christian or Jewish and therefore do not refer to all god's as God.

despite your especially strong animosity toward me cain, i have to give credit where it's due-very good explanation; i can go with that-ok, carry on 8-)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 08:16:27 PM
Wow. I thought you were tiresome in the basketball threads. Who knew?

Wow. The next time I care about what someone from USA's little brother thinks, will be the last. I used to be married to a Canadian.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 08:20:47 PM
You what I miss?  The days when no self-respecting man would allow his wife to work.

He worked his tail off to provide for his family, and if that didn't pay the bills, he manned up and took a second job.  Sure, his wife was usually busy with a crap ton of kids in the early years, but once they were school age, or better yet, out of the house, she got to sit around and play bridge with her friends or watch soap operas.

Unfortunately, it's a rare thing to find a real male these days.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 08:31:46 PM
  with all due respect eagle, i still think, regardless of belief in or not, the word or mention of God should be capitalized.  but that's just my prejudice and belief system.

Which is fair, you're entitled to your beliefs just as he is. But that still has nothing to do with revealing his character. A child molesting priest could capitalize the G all the time and and an atheist who refuses to could spend their life helping those same victims. Would you respond to the atheist that it reveals something negative about their character and look the other way about the priest because of something as trivial as a capitalization?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 08:33:37 PM
You what I miss?  The days when no self-respecting man would allow his wife to work.

He worked his tail off to provide for his family, and if that didn't pay the bills, he manned up and took a second job.  Sure, his wife was usually busy with a crap ton of kids in the early years, but once they were school age, or better yet, out of the house, she got to sit around and play bridge with her friends or watch soap operas.

Unfortunately, it's a rare thing to find a real male these days.

+1000...this is EXACTLY how I feel...I WANT to take care of my wife/significant other in EVERY way. If she wanted to work, that's fine, but in a perfect world, I'd prefer to take care of her financially, emotionally and any way that I can. To me, that's a man's job. I NEED to feel useful to her...fixing things around the house etc. Most women would say they want their man to do that, and may be they do...but for me(and me personally), if she actually knows how to do those things herself or COULD do them herself but just didn't really want to since I could instead, that takes a lot of the "knight in shining armor" feel of it away for me.

My ex wife for example had no idea how to start the lawn mower or the snow blower...that was totally fine with me. I didn't want her to know how to, those things are my job, to me that's all part of taking care of someone.

Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 28, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
+1000...this is EXACTLY how I feel...I WANT to take care of my wife/significant other in EVERY way. If she wanted to work, that's fine, but in a perfect world, I'd prefer to take care of her financially, emotionally and any way that I can. To me, that's a man's job. I NEED to feel useful to her...fixing things around the house etc. Most women would say they want their man to do that, and may be they do...but for me(and me personally), if she actually knows how to do those things herself or COULD do them herself but just didn't really want to since I could instead, that takes a lot of the "knight in shining armor" feel of it away for me.

My ex wife for example had no idea how to start the lawn mower or the snow blower...that was totally fine with me. I didn't want her to know how to, those things are my job, to me that's all part of taking care of someone.



Maybe you should join the Amish.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 28, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
Checkin' won's oil is a basic skill every woman should no, aina?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 08:56:05 PM
+1000...this is EXACTLY how I feel...I WANT to take care of my wife/significant other in EVERY way. If she wanted to work, that's fine, but in a perfect world, I'd prefer to take care of her financially, emotionally and any way that I can. To me, that's a man's job. I NEED to feel useful to her...fixing things around the house etc. Most women would say they want their man to do that, and may be they do...but for me(and me personally), if she actually knows how to do those things herself or COULD do them herself but just didn't really want to since I could instead, that takes a lot of the "knight in shining armor" feel of it away for me.

My ex wife for example had no idea how to start the lawn mower or the snow blower...that was totally fine with me. I didn't want her to know how to, those things are my job, to me that's all part of taking care of someone.

Wow.  Why would she have divorced such a perfect husband?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on August 28, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
Shocked to learned he isn’t married anymore.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 08:59:58 PM
Wow.  Why would she have divorced such a perfect husband?

Maybe she forgot makeup before heading to the grocery store and he divorced her?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 09:01:13 PM
Wow.  Why would she have divorced such a perfect husband?

Far from perfect...but, the basic jist of it is she was/is from Canada, and her homesickness just got the best of her. She really struggled with it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: hairy worthen on August 28, 2019, 09:01:56 PM
Checkin' won's oil is a basic skill every woman should no, aina?
not hard. just need to push the dipstick in and out.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
Maybe she forgot makeup before heading to the grocery store and he divorced her?

Or he found out she was wearing slacks on the DL.  The trust in their marriage was destroyed.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 09:05:57 PM
Far from perfect...but, the basic jist of it is she was/is from Canada, and her homesickness just got the best of her. She really struggled with it.



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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on August 28, 2019, 09:11:34 PM
+1000...this is EXACTLY how I feel...I WANT to take care of my wife/significant other in EVERY way. If she wanted to work, that's fine, but in a perfect world, I'd prefer to take care of her financially, emotionally and any way that I can. To me, that's a man's job. I NEED to feel useful to her...fixing things around the house etc. Most women would say they want their man to do that, and may be they do...but for me(and me personally), if she actually knows how to do those things herself or COULD do them herself but just didn't really want to since I could instead, that takes a lot of the "knight in shining armor" feel of it away for me.

My ex wife for example had no idea how to start the lawn mower or the snow blower...that was totally fine with me. I didn't want her to know how to, those things are my job, to me that's all part of taking care of someone.

Does that include cooking, cleaning, laundry?

Or did/does your "care" also have boundaries by traditional gender role?

No mocking here. Genuinely interested
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on August 28, 2019, 09:14:53 PM
not hard. just need to push the dipstick in and out.

Some men lament the intake being too close to the exhaust.
But that’s a beef with the Designer...er, designer.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 09:15:02 PM
Here's what I'm reading into your statements. Either by "these days" you're chatting up women who are your age and not realizing all the good ones are taken and you've failed to stay true to your generations evolution of single life. OR by "these days" you mean younger women that you're hitting on which is extremely creepy OR you're upset because said younger women aren't eye candy for you which is makes you the worst type of guy and extremely creepy.

If someone can find a route where he comes out looking normal in these statements please tell me.

I'm glad you brought this up Galway, because this is a major grievance of mine...Believe me, I am not singling you out at all, but it does demonstrate how far we still need to go as a society, and quite frankly how hypocritical we still are. The times we live in now, we are told we should love and accept all...men with men, women with women, Transgender etc. They are all people, and as long as it doesn't affect us, what difference does it make. Yet, your point about an older man with a younger woman as you call it "creepy". You are far from the only one that feels that way...I would ask why?? If two people are happy together, why should you, me or anyone judge?? If a man is 45 and he is with a 21 yr old girl, most in society these days would say just what you did "it's creepy". But aren't we told, love is love?? If they are happy together, shouldn't that be all that matters?? How is that any different then a man with a man, or a woman with a woman etc?? It shouldn't be. It's hypocritical for us a society to be so accepting of some things that were at least at one time not a society norm, but still very judgmental of other things that for whatever reason still doesn't seem to be accepted as a societal norm like the other things are.

Where we all get really hypocritical is if that woman was 31 and the man was 55(still the same 24 year age difference), then most people would seem to accept that. Seems very bizarre to me. Would we feel the same way if a woman was 55 with a 21 year old kid?? I'm not sure we would.

It seems to me that people think couples with large age gaps can't possibly love each other. That there has to be something else to it rather then two people just being in love. This is where we still have a long ways to go as a society IMO.

My dad has been married twice...the second time he married a girl that he was/is 27 years older than. He was 51 then. At the time, a lot of people were judgmental and thought just like you said "that's creepy". But now that he's 78...guess what?? All of a sudden no one cares, yet the same 27 year age gap exists. I think that's VERY bizarre, especially since they are happy together.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
Far from perfect...but, the basic jist of it is she was/is from Canada, and her homesickness just got the best of her. She really struggled with it.

Hmmm...sounds suspiciously like, “it’s not you; it’s me.”  She sounds very kind.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2019, 09:19:15 PM
Grievence vs grievance.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 09:20:55 PM
Does that include cooking, cleaning, laundry?

Or did/does your "care" also have boundaries by traditional gender role?

No mocking here. Genuinely interested

I mentioned it before, but I believe in(and prefer) traditional gender roles. That being said, I don't really need her to cook, because of how picky i am, she'd just get frustrated with that anyway. That being said, if I am going to cut the grass, blow the snow, fix the things that need to be fixed, take care of her, pamper her, support her financially etc,(which are all things i SHOULD be doing for her and frankly don't WANT her to do...that's why she has me) I would like to think if she's home all day she would clean the house, do the laundry etc. I want to make her life as easy as I possibly can for her...that is what I feel is my responsibility as a man.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 28, 2019, 09:22:02 PM
Some men lament the intake being too close to the exhaust.
But that’s a beef with the Designer...er, designer.

Nice effort by that Northern Dancer colt (several generations removed) winning the Travers.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 09:23:19 PM
Hmmm...sounds suspiciously like, “it’s not you; it’s me.”  She sounds very kind.

I can't think of a more insulting reason for a woman to leave you than "I miss Canada".



Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2019, 09:24:13 PM
Guru, good luck in your search.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 28, 2019, 09:27:09 PM
Hands down the best scoop thread of the year. I've been laughing for a good 2 hours.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: warriorchick on August 28, 2019, 09:31:18 PM
For the record, I have no issue with the word "panties".
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 09:35:14 PM
Cheeks, the point of the ignore button is to ignore the person.  Sniping at them when someone else happens to quote them kind of defeats the purpose.  For the love of all that is good, ignore the people you should be ignoring on here.  You know who they are.  And, thankfully, some of them know who you are and are ignoring you.  It'll do you good.  It'll do all of us good.

Stillwarrior, isn’t the bigger question why politics are allowed?  I thought it wasn’t...or is it?  Which is it? What’s the policy?  I’m fine following the rules, but what are the rules?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 09:35:36 PM
And instead of bi*tching about their posts, report them to the moderators.

I did, and nothing happened.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 09:38:02 PM

You work with Chicos?

I never bring it up at work...ever.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 09:41:16 PM
For the record, I have no issue with the word "panties".

You're a good woman warrior...you shouldn't have a problem with it, no one should...that's what they are called. Store advertisements say it, the packages you buy say it etc. That's like someone having a problem with it being called an "orange" so they just call it "that orange colored fruit". Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
Stillwarrior, isn’t the bigger question why politics are allowed?  I thought it wasn’t...or is it?  Which is it? What’s the policy?  I’m fine following the rules, but what are the rules?

No, that’s not the bigger question. It’s pretty clear that politics is allowed, even though they’re not.

I think the bigger question is why you’re incapable of simply ignoring people who love nothing more than yanking your chain. Even when you have them on ignore, apparently.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on August 28, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
Nice effort by that Northern Dancer colt (several generations removed) winning the Travers.

People discounted the trouble he had in the Derby, or felt he wasn’t bred to get the 1  and 1/4 Miles...but hey....
Code of Honor has some serious inbreeding to Northern Dancer...interesting cross to see it in the same corresponding  spot on the pedigree. The Dancer was both his maternal and paternal great grandsire.

Marcus Hersh of the DRF feels that Travers day was a severe outside bias....I’m not so sure. There’s nothing worse than a prevailing ridiculous inside speed bias a la Churchill Downs, so I never bat an eye when outside closers prevail. The funniest thing I heard on Travers Day, other than the guy who walked up to the window at my OTB and plopped down $35,ooo to Win on LookinAtBikinis......this one dude is stumbling drunk to the window and, in his best Foster Brooks imitation asks the teller....”when is the tra-VERSE going off?”  The main teller at this OTB is the nicest guy in the world and goes out of his way to explain to novices how to place a bet....but he just burst out laughing at the poor guy.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 09:53:43 PM
If I ask someone are you more "girly" or more tomboy. I overwhelming get more "tomboy" responses than "girly" responses. And of course everyone's definition of "girly" is different. Then I have met some who say they are far more "girly". Except when I start to spend time with them, and observe their mannerisms etc, and they are certainly not "girly" by my definition anyway. Sometimes yes, they are, but not all the time.

I realize this is semantics, but I feel there is a pretty big difference between being a “self proclaimed Tom boy” and choosing option “B” when being asked to choose between “girly” and “tomboy.”  Being “self proclaimed” implies they choose the label, not that they selected one of the two pigeonholes you offered.

And how the hell does this come up in conversation?  Is this your go-to icebreaker?  Is this before or after you discuss their preferred term for their undergarments?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:00:47 PM
No, that’s not the bigger question. It’s pretty clear that politics is allowed, even though they’re not.

I think the bigger question is why you’re incapable of simply ignoring people who love nothing more than yanking your chain. Even when you have them on ignore, apparently.

Well because that doesn’t seem to be the case because it is not allowed as some threads are locked or posts removed, while others are allowed.  I don’t think  he was yanking my chain at all, he wasn’t talking to me but to someone else.  Just trying to understand the policy.  Seems fair especially when two mods wrote to me in the last month to stop political posts and yet here those posts appear in droves and nothing happens.  Seems a fair question to ask.  In the meantime, I will continue to abide by their wishes and not do politics....hoping the pinned post that says politics are not allowed would actually be the case, similar to the steps Disney and ESPN have taken.

Ignoring those posters is not a problem, seeking clarity is all I ask.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2019, 10:05:06 PM
I'm glad you brought this up Galway, because this is a major grievance of mine...Believe me, I am not singling you out at all, but it does demonstrate how far we still need to go as a society, and quite frankly how hypocritical we still are. The times we live in now, we are told we should love and accept all...men with men, women with women, Transgender etc. They are all people, and as long as it doesn't affect us, what difference does it make. Yet, your point about an older man with a younger woman as you call it "creepy". You are far from the only one that feels that way...I would ask why?? If two people are happy together, why should you, me or anyone judge?? If a man is 45 and he is with a 21 yr old girl, most in society these days would say just what you did "it's creepy". But aren't we told, love is love?? If they are happy together, shouldn't that be all that matters?? How is that any different then a man with a man, or a woman with a woman etc?? It shouldn't be. It's hypocritical for us a society to be so accepting of some things that were at least at one time not a society norm, but still very judgmental of other things that for whatever reason still doesn't seem to be accepted as a societal norm like the other things are.

Where we all get really hypocritical is if that woman was 31 and the man was 55(still the same 24 year age difference), then most people would seem to accept that. Seems very bizarre to me. Would we feel the same way if a woman was 55 with a 21 year old kid?? I'm not sure we would.

It seems to me that people think couples with large age gaps can't possibly love each other. That there has to be something else to it rather then two people just being in love. This is where we still have a long ways to go as a society IMO.

My dad has been married twice...the second time he married a girl that he was/is 27 years older than. He was 51 then. At the time, a lot of people were judgmental and thought just like you said "that's creepy". But now that he's 78...guess what?? All of a sudden no one cares, yet the same 27 year age gap exists. I think that's VERY bizarre, especially since they are happy together.

My philosophy has always been based on the children. I recently read an article about a girl who's in her early 20s and is going to have a baby with her best friends dad who's in his 60s. It just doesn't seem fair for that child to be raised by someone who's likely hitting alzeheimers or dementia in the near future.

You do point out that hypocrisy of mine as I'm one for supporting most relationships (not down with the two spouses thing either) so fair play to you on that.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 10:06:07 PM
I realize this is semantics, but I feel there is a pretty big difference between being a “self proclaimed Tom boy” and choosing option “B” when being asked to choose between “girly” and “tomboy.”  Being “self proclaimed” implies they choose the label, not that they selected one of the two pigeonholes you offered.

And how the hell does this come up in conversation?  Is this your go-to icebreaker?  Is this before or after you discuss their preferred term for their undergarments?

It comes up because it's one of the first things I ask...I figure if I'm not going to be interested I want to know right away rather than waste her or my time. To me it's no different than if someone asks you "so do you smoke or drink"?? Or " what do you do for a living"?? Everyone has preferences for what hey want/don't want in a partner. Everyone has deal breakers, things they like and don't like. For me, being "girly" is a top priority.And just because they aren't, doesn't mean they aren't a great person, it just simply means there's not going to be a match for me, and I wouldn't be happy with her, and thus because of that, she wouldn't be happy either.  Just a personal preference. Sadly, it sure seems like the TRUE girly girl(by my definition), has gone the way of the dinosaur.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 10:09:03 PM
Ignoring those posters is not a problem

The proof is in the pudding.

Whether you think the rules are fairly enforced or not, you can choose to ignore people and not respond to every single provocation. Every. Single. One.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
It comes up because it's one of the first things I ask...I figure if I'm not going to be interested I want to know right away rather than waste her or my time. To me it's no different than if someone asks you "so do you smoke or drink"?? Or " what do you do for a living"?? Everyone has preferences for what hey want/don't want in a partner. Everyone has deal breakers, things they like and don't like. For me, being "girly" is a top priority.And just because they aren't, doesn't mean they aren't a great person, it just simply means there's not going to be a match for me, and I wouldn't be happy with her, and thus because of that, she wouldn't be happy either.  Just a personal preference. Sadly, it sure seems like the TRUE girly girl(by my definition), has gone the way of the dinosaur.

My wife is both.  She can be old school, very feminine or tough as nails ars kicker.  Youngest of 9 so she was raised old school Midwest....love her to death.  Very lucky.  I have largely taken care of her, but she recently went back to work now that our last child is almost done with high school. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: muguru on August 28, 2019, 10:17:26 PM
My wife is both.  She can be old school, very feminine or tough as nails ars kicker.  Youngest of 9 so she was raised old school Midwest....love her to death.  Very lucky.  I have largely taken care of her, but she recently went back to work now that our last child is almost done with high school.

Personally I have found that a vast majority(but obviously not all) fall into the category of your wife...they can be and are both. There is zero wrong with that. Quite honestly, I also think a vast majority of men, prefer that. Also nothing wrong with that. Just for me, as far as what makes me happiest, is if she's 100% feminine. I think you'd be surprised(or maybe you wouldn't be) just how few of those women really exist now days.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:18:49 PM
The proof is in the pudding.

Whether you think the rules are fairly enforced or not, you can choose to ignore people and not respond to every single provocation. Every. Single. One.

I don’t and can happily provide umpteen examples when I let it go and didn’t say a word, let alone every single one....repeat...every. Single. One.

Plane about to depart, good night.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
Hands down the best scoop thread of the year. I've been laughing for a good 2 hours.

I absolutely was thinking the same thing.

What a thread. My jaw hurts from smiling too much. I have learned a lot about some very interesting Scoopers.

I thank the mods for keeping it open.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 28, 2019, 10:26:04 PM
Well because that doesn’t seem to be the case because it is not allowed as some threads are locked or posts removed, while others are allowed.  I don’t think  he was yanking my chain at all, he wasn’t talking to me but to someone else.  Just trying to understand the policy.  Seems fair especially when two mods wrote to me in the last month to stop political posts and yet here those posts appear in droves and nothing happens.  Seems a fair question to ask.  In the meantime, I will continue to abide by their wishes and not do politics....hoping the pinned post that says politics are not allowed would actually be the case, similar to the steps Disney and ESPN have taken.

Ignoring those posters is not a problem, seeking clarity is all I ask.

It’s probably because most posters here haven’t been banned under multiple usernames and continued to show back up. And probably because the one poster who is the common denominator in all these different political threads is the same poster who’s been banned for similar posting habits under multiple usernames.

Just a guess?

But you are just treated so unfairly around here.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Mutaman on August 28, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
People discounted the trouble he had in the Derby, or felt he wasn’t bred to get the 1  and 1/4 Miles...but hey....
Code of Honor has some serious inbreeding to Northern Dancer...interesting cross to see it in the same corresponding  spot on the pedigree. The Dancer was both his maternal and paternal great grandsire.

Small horse- Big Heart.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 28, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
Far from perfect...but, the basic jist of it is she was/is from Canada, and her homesickness just got the best of her. She really struggled with it.

Was she from the Niagara Falls area?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 28, 2019, 10:32:52 PM
Which is fair, you're entitled to your beliefs just as he is. But that still has nothing to do with revealing his character. A child molesting priest could capitalize the G all the time and and an atheist who refuses to could spend their life helping those same victims. Would you respond to the atheist that it reveals something negative about their character and look the other way about the priest because of something as trivial as a capitalization?

  instead of peeling back the layers, we are going right for the core-when someone is trying to demeaningly chide you you, you go right for a perceived weak spot.  it may not be the most rational of arguments, but standards are thrown to the wind.  the example you lay out eagle, doesn't give one much of choice, but your point is well taken.  almost like, when did you stop beating your wife kinda question.  the seizure of a trivial thing, attempting to turn it in to a character flaw is how the vindictive mind works.  me, typically being a fairly reasonable guy, cries Uncle and moves on to the next challenge a little smarter for it.  this is how scoop is supposed to work
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on August 28, 2019, 10:37:44 PM
My jaw hurts from smiling too much.

U sure it wuz from smilin hey?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
U sure it wuz from smilin hey?

hey
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 28, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
I don’t and can happily provide umpteen examples when I let it go and didn’t say a word, let alone every single one....repeat...every. Single. One.

You know what, you’re right. And I owe you an apology. Sincerely. Still, I wish you would ignore more of it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:49:15 PM
It’s probably because most posters here haven’t been banned under multiple usernames and continued to show back up. And probably because the one poster who is the common denominator in all these different political threads is the same poster who’s been banned for similar posting habits under multiple usernames.

Just a guess?

But you are just treated so unfairly around here.

Flight delayed.  Could be the case, though i’m Hardly the common denominator.  Of course if I show all the threads to prove that out, well then attacked for defending one’s self against a falsehood.  Oh well.

Hey, how about that west coast volleyball, eh?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:50:01 PM
Personally I have found that a vast majority(but obviously not all) fall into the category of your wife...they can be and are both. There is zero wrong with that. Quite honestly, I also think a vast majority of men, prefer that. Also nothing wrong with that. Just for me, as far as what makes me happiest, is if she's 100% feminine. I think you'd be surprised(or maybe you wouldn't be) just how few of those women really exist now days.

I wish you the best in finding that right individual.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 28, 2019, 10:51:17 PM
You know what, you’re right. And I owe you an apology. Sincerely. Still, I wish you would ignore more of it.

I will try, I really will.  All good no amigo. 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 28, 2019, 11:16:41 PM
Flight delayed.  Could be the case, though i’m Hardly the common denominator.  Of course if I show all the threads to prove that out, well then attacked for defending one’s self against a falsehood.  Oh well.

Hey, how about that west coast volleyball, eh?

Sorry to hear about your flight delay, I guess? And what about west coast volleyball?

Odd response. But they all seem to be from you lately.

Feel free to share the threads “proving it out.” I’m guessing it’d go something like when you claimed I had gotten 3 threads locked “in the last few weeks,” then quickly changed that number to 2, then moved it down to 1 shortly thereafter. And the one you were able to find was started by me and was the only post I made in that thread.

But like I said we all know already. You’re on username...I don’t even know what number now, hard to keep up. But it’s never been you. You’re just treated differently here. Different rules for chicos. Oh and WarriorDad. And Hoopaloop. And Cheeks. If only those 4 would be treated the same as every other Scooper there would only be a need for one username.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 29, 2019, 05:35:05 AM
If a man is 45 and he is with a 21 yr old girl, most in society these days would say just what you did "it's creepy". But aren't we told, love is love?? If they are happy together, shouldn't that be all that matters?? How is that any different then a man with a man, or a woman with a woman etc??

Where we all get really hypocritical is if that woman was 31 and the man was 55(still the same 24 year age difference), then most people would seem to accept that.

Trimmed a lot out, but for me it comes down to emotional maturity. While women are certainly more emotionally mature when ages are equal, the dynamic of the 45M/21F generally leads to huge potentials for abuse. Emotional abuse, financial abuse, while I know we acknowledge 18 to be an "adult" the idea that there is a level playing field in this 24 year gap is, more often than not, simply not true.

This could be colored by watching a friend in her 20s live through an emotionally abusive marriage to a man in his 40s that was excessively toxic.

By the time a woman is in her 30s, I think it's more likely she would be emotionally equipped to date a 50+ year old man, the pools for both would've shrunk, and the financial abuse aspect would likely be less of a factor.

I get that I'm basing that on anecdotal evidence, but the original scenario is the classic midlife crisis setup and doesn't seem to end well in my experience, while the latter is more likely to be two people who are consenting adults both legally and emotionally.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 29, 2019, 07:23:58 AM
That's like someone having a problem with it being called an "orange" so they just call it "that orange colored fruit". Makes no sense to me.

A little history:

"The color we know as orange was referred to in Old English as “geoluhread,” which means yellow-red. The word “orange” was adopted after the eponymous fruit was introduced to English via the Spanish word naranja, which came from the Sanskrit word nāraṅga. Orange conveys energy, enthusiasm, and balance."
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 29, 2019, 07:29:02 AM
If I ask someone are you more "girly" or more tomboy. I overwhelming get more "tomboy" responses than "girly" responses.
Who the frack *asks* someone if they are girly or tomboy?  Or what they call their undergarments?  F'ing weird.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 29, 2019, 07:59:12 AM
I did, and nothing happened.


Then they don't care.  So STFU about it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 29, 2019, 08:00:38 AM
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Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 29, 2019, 08:01:55 AM

Then they don't care.  So STFU about it.

Da Pontiff has spoken.  Alleluia Alleluia.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 29, 2019, 08:02:05 AM
Who the frack *asks* someone if they are girly or tomboy?  Or what they call their undergarments?  F'ing weird.

And he wonders why he can't find anyone
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 29, 2019, 08:54:34 AM

Then they don't care.  So STFU about it.

Which is why I ask.  If they don't care, I'm guessing the pinned post can be removed.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 29, 2019, 09:03:30 AM
Which is why I ask.  If they don't care, I'm guessing the pinned post can be removed.

Or maybe just ignored?  Not sure I've ever clicked into the pinned thread.  It shouldn't be too hard to back off when a mod either posts in a thread or PMs you.  But when you're constantly looking for ways to be a victim I guess it might be hard to back off.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 29, 2019, 09:14:27 AM
Sorry to hear about your flight delay, I guess? And what about west coast volleyball?

Odd response. But they all seem to be from you lately.

Feel free to share the threads “proving it out.” I’m guessing it’d go something like when you claimed I had gotten 3 threads locked “in the last few weeks,” then quickly changed that number to 2, then moved it down to 1 shortly thereafter. And the one you were able to find was started by me and was the only post I made in that thread.

But like I said we all know already. You’re on username...I don’t even know what number now, hard to keep up. But it’s never been you. You’re just treated differently here. Different rules for chicos. Oh and WarriorDad. And Hoopaloop. And Cheeks. If only those 4 would be treated the same as every other Scooper there would only be a need for one username.

No on WarriorDad, but don't forget Billy...I'm him apparently.   If you think I am the only one to reemerge here, that's funny. 

I said you got three threads locked? Nope, I said two, and yes revised down to one.  I never said three. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148855#msg1148855


But in your head you keep saying three...not sure why.  https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148993#msg1148993   You repeated it again in this thread.  Strange.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 29, 2019, 09:20:31 AM
not hard. just need to push the dipstick in and out.

A real woman knows about and takes great pleasure in the workings of a reciprocating spark ignition power plant
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 29, 2019, 09:22:26 AM
Which is why I ask.  If they don't care, I'm guessing the pinned post can be removed.

I seem to recall someone saying "life isn't fair" and "some people have to follow rules that others don't"  ;D
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 29, 2019, 09:25:33 AM
For the record, I have no issue with the word "panties".

As an Air Commando, I have to ask your opinion of the commando world
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 29, 2019, 09:30:12 AM

Then they don't care.  So STFU about it.

Good old Sultan throwin' off the robes and reverting to form...
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 29, 2019, 09:33:55 AM
"I miss Canada".

Isn't that what Barbra Streisand and Susan Sarandon said? Oh, wait, they never went...
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jon on August 29, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
There is nothing here that wouldn't be cured by a hot batch of paczkis.

Really.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 29, 2019, 09:44:12 AM
I seem to recall someone saying "life isn't fair" and "some people have to follow rules that others don't"  ;D

Yup, the lesson is almost complete now.  I’m glad you are getting it.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 29, 2019, 09:46:29 AM
Yup, the lesson is almost complete now.  I’m glad you are getting it.

Nope, you'll notice the sarcasm of my last post. You also have yet to notice that all your examples in the other thread of life not being fair were actual examples of people doing extra work and earning extra compensation (i.e. examples of life being fair)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 29, 2019, 09:47:54 AM
No on WarriorDad, but don't forget Billy...I'm him apparently.   If you think I am the only one to reemerge here, that's funny. 

I said you got three threads locked? Nope, I said two, and yes revised down to one.  I never said three. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148855#msg1148855


But in your head you keep saying three...not sure why.  https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148993#msg1148993   You repeated it again in this thread.  Strange.

I'd quote the post but you got the thread locked, so I can't...

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148853#msg1148853

I say 3 because you started at 3, then backed down to 2, then had to move to 1...

By the way, I had to go to page 12 in your posting history just to get back to August 14th.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 29, 2019, 09:51:02 AM
Order a bride online

I work with a guy that did that, really ended badly when he learned his Russian wife used him to obtain entry and left him for her Russian BF. He ended up having the marriage annulled and her deported (after he lost thou$ands).
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on August 29, 2019, 10:01:15 AM
I'd quote the post but you got the thread locked, so I can't...

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148853#msg1148853

I say 3 because you started at 3, then backed down to 2, then had to move to 1...

By the way, I had to go to page 12 in your posting history just to get back to August 14th.

Jeeezus page 12 for me is may 30th.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2019, 10:02:42 AM
I work with a guy that did that, really ended badly when he learned his Russian wife used him to obtain entry and left him for her Russian BF. He ended up having the marriage annulled and her deported (after he lost thou$ands).

Muguru should order a Polish one so he can swear at wojo in his ancestral language
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Loose Cannon on August 29, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Da Pontiff has spoken.  Alleluia Alleluia.

So has the Friar.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on August 29, 2019, 11:58:41 AM
Small horse- Big Heart.

As Sister Helen, my Latin teacher at Carmel HS, used to say...
Parvus sed Potens!

(Also the rallying cry of the guys who lose the measuring contest)
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Cheeks on August 29, 2019, 01:00:33 PM
I'd quote the post but you got the thread locked, so I can't...

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58959.msg1148853#msg1148853

I say 3 because you started at 3, then backed down to 2, then had to move to 1...

By the way, I had to go to page 12 in your posting history just to get back to August 14th.

I said 2 or 3.  I didn’t start at 3.  I had to move to 1 simply because of the time frame listed, you have had plenty of threads shut down over the course of time as have I and others, of course if I list them here then I get nailed for daring to list them.

West coast volleyball fever...catch it 
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 29, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
I said 2 or 3.  I didn’t start at 3.  I had to move to 1 simply because of the time frame listed, you have had plenty of threads shut down over the course of time as have I and others, of course if I list them here then I get nailed for daring to list them.

West coast volleyball fever...catch it

So you said 3, we agree, thank you.

Please list all these threads I've had shut down.  Thank you.

What about west coast volleyball?
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jables1604 on August 29, 2019, 01:52:49 PM
I think the “I miss Canada” reference should properly be attributed to the Motor City Madman who stated he would be moving north if Obama was elected.

Of course he never followed through which surprised me seeing as he is such a survivalist.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: Jables1604 on August 29, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
Actually it appears I have made a mistake. The Nuge apparently did move to Canada. My timing was also wrong. He moved there to avoid the draft.
Title: Re: Airing of Grievences Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 29, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
Well, gosh. 

Who would have thought the airing of grievances thread would go off the rails.