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Title: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on July 22, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
2020 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19

47. Markus Howard

https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft

Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jay Bee on July 23, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
2019 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19

I’m thinking this isn’t a 2019
mock draft..
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on July 23, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
I’m thinking this isn’t a 2019
mock draft..
Wow I was having a bad day yesterday. Correction noted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on July 23, 2019, 10:50:00 AM
Obviously there is no correlation beyond dna but you have to think the performance of Markus’s brother in the NBA summer league may just boost the prospects of NBA GMs to give Markus a shot
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2019, 07:40:03 PM
2020 NBA Mock Draft as of December 6,2019
44. Markus Howard


https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 06, 2019, 09:42:59 PM
They haven't figured out yet that Cole Anthony is on UNC!?!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
Obviously there is no correlation beyond dna but you have to think the performance of Markus’s brother in the NBA summer league may just boost the prospects of NBA GMs to give Markus a shot

His shooting ability boosts his prospects.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: GB Warrior on December 07, 2019, 01:16:28 AM
His shooting ability boosts his prospects.

I mean sure the guy is elite at basketball, but that's surely not the only reason he'll get drafted.

Honestly, he's going to get drafted, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flier earlier than you'd think. He has an elite skill, and that's worth a chance that there's some untapped potential there once he's around NBA caliber players

I don't think there is - I think he'll be a niche player that carves out a nice career in that niche - but the talent pool is so shallow in the draft that teams will shoot their shot at the faintest hint of untapped upside
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: #Unleash? on December 07, 2019, 08:09:42 AM
I mean sure the guy is elite at basketball, but that's surely not the only reason he'll get drafted.

Honestly, he's going to get drafted, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flier earlier than you'd think. He has an elite skill, and that's worth a chance that there's some untapped potential there once he's around NBA caliber players

I don't think there is - I think he'll be a niche player that carves out a nice career in that niche - but the talent pool is so shallow in the draft that teams will shoot their shot at the faintest hint of untapped upside

In the exact opposite camp. His shooting skill is not something that's unheard of in the NBA. He's undersized severely in the college game. When the shooting guards are all 6'6 its going to be very rough for him.

He gets drafted in the mid 50s or gets a summer invite.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2019, 10:09:20 AM
goats don't look good wit Spalding plastered on his coconut. Wishin' 'im well, hey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on December 12, 2019, 01:38:54 PM
2020 Mock Draft as of 12/12/19
38. Markus Howard

I believe this is the highest Markus has been in this Mock Draft.

Notables:
44. Tre Jones
51. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 12, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
In the exact opposite camp. His shooting skill is not something that's unheard of in the NBA. He's undersized severely in the college game. When the shooting guards are all 6'6 its going to be very rough for him.

He gets drafted in the mid 50s or gets a summer invite.

IDK when he'll get drafted but what you said in spades.  Markus struggles against rangy, tall, quick defenders.  The NBA has too many to count.  Now he will get the benefit of being a guy any GM will know will happily fill his 11th-12th man role without so much as a peep and will work his tail off every day to contribute in any way the coach sees fit.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league.  I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: fjm on December 12, 2019, 04:09:44 PM
Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league.  I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.

Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?

There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Coleman on December 12, 2019, 04:09:58 PM
Mid 2nd round.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Coleman on December 12, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
Random question, has a college POY ever gone undrafted?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2019, 04:23:25 PM
Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?

There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.

You must not watch the NBA.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 12, 2019, 04:27:34 PM
Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?

There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.

#watchesthebucksnever   ::)
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 12, 2019, 04:30:22 PM
Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league.  I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.

I agree that he might prefer to play in Europe.  I think you and I agree that his top end in the NBA is as a bench specialist.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on December 12, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
Random question, has a college POY ever gone undrafted?

Not a Naismith winner, and the broad majority have been first round picks. That said, both Frank Mason & Jalen Brunson were recent winners & went early in the second.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2019, 04:39:22 PM

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
What does this mean...he will be FINE if he makes the league?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on December 12, 2019, 05:07:27 PM
You must not watch the NBA.

i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on December 12, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.

I'm going to agree with wades and say you also must not watch the NBA.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2019, 05:51:58 PM
i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.

Lol
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: fjm on December 12, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
I watch only the bucks. They play D. I guess.

The rest of the league. I’m unimpressed.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MuMark on December 12, 2019, 06:47:53 PM
To say " The Bucks play defense .....I guess" is so under rating the Bucks that it's almost laughable.

When you are playing defense against the skill and athleticism of NBA players you can do everything right and guys will still score a high percentage of the time.

Anybody who thinks the defense in college is better then the NBA is out of their friggin mind.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Strokin 3s on December 12, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
#watchesthebucksnever   ::)

Ok, so the Bucks on D but flip the argument around. How many times does Giannis suck every single player on the other team into the lane and every single other Buck is wide open on the perimeter.  I can see both sides of it. Certainly I agree defenders are much better and way longer in the NBA but Markus as a stand still spot up shooter would be deadly.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2019, 07:46:56 PM
To say " The Bucks play defense .....I guess" is so under rating the Bucks that it's almost laughable.

When you are playing defense against the skill and athleticism of NBA players you can do everything right and guys will still score a high percentage of the time.

Anybody who thinks the defense in college is better then the NBA is out of their friggin mind.

Yup.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BallBoy on December 12, 2019, 08:45:36 PM
2020 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19

47. Markus Howard

https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft

I think Markus is great but he will go undrafted. I would be surprised if he is on an roster during the season and will likely play in Europe.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
For better or worse....I think we will see more Rowsey like deeeeep 3s to give scouts something more to think about.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2019, 10:33:28 PM
The rest of the league. I’m unimpressed.

How do you know if you hardly ever watch NBA basketball?

But back on topic ...

An NBA team might be interested in a guy who can spread the court as a spot-up 3 shooter. Markus is only 2 inches shorter than the rail-thin Davante Graham, who is surprisingly lighting it up for the Hornets this season. Could be Craig Hodges 2.0.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: DoctorV on December 12, 2019, 10:49:39 PM
I think Markus is great but he will go undrafted. I would be surprised if he is on an roster during the season and will likely play in Europe.

He will get drafted and will be in the NBA next season
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on December 13, 2019, 12:37:41 AM
Only first team all American to go undrafted was Novas Scottie Reynolds
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Bad_Reporter on December 13, 2019, 01:12:40 AM
I see this as a Tim Tebow situation.  Great college player and that’s where it ends. 

Although, I think Tebow was a winner.  He did well with the Broncos.

Not saying Markus isn’t a winner, but we’ve seen the evidence time and time again.  Put a 6’3 guard or taller on Markus and he’s just not as effective.

Hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2019, 09:08:45 AM
I see this as a Tim Tebow situation.  Great college player and that’s where it ends. 

Although, I think Tebow was a winner.  He did well with the Broncos.

Not saying Markus isn’t a winner, but we’ve seen the evidence time and time again.  Put a 6’3 guard or taller on Markus and he’s just not as effective.

Hope I’m wrong

Tebow lucked into a few wins with the Broncos. Elway was so impressed that he couldn't wait to get rid of him. And other NFL GMs/coaches were so impressed that Tebow was out of the league shortly thereafter. Great college QB, though.

USC, Davidson, K-State (last season) and Buffalo -- among others -- all put taller, athletic guards on Markus.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Coleman on December 13, 2019, 09:25:40 AM
For better or worse....I think we will see more Rowsey like deeeeep 3s to give scouts something more to think about.

That's fine if he is open and he makes > 40% of them.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: source? on December 13, 2019, 10:35:38 AM
How do you know if you hardly ever watch NBA basketball?

But back on topic ...

An NBA team might be interested in a guy who can spread the court as a spot-up 3 shooter. Markus is only 2 inches shorter than the rail-thin Davante Graham, who is surprisingly lighting it up for the Hornets this season. Could be Craig Hodges 2.0.

I see no conflict between the following two statements:

The only team I watch is the Bucks and they play good defense.

82 games a year I watch other teams attempt to play defense against Giannis and the Bucks and look terrible. Therefore, all other teams I've seen play poor defense.

Not saying it is accurate, but if the first statement is true then it could lead to a reasonable belief in the second.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2019, 11:56:30 AM
I see no conflict between the following two statements:

The only team I watch is the Bucks and they play good defense.

82 games a year I watch other teams attempt to play defense against Giannis and the Bucks and look terrible. Therefore, all other teams I've seen play poor defense.

Not saying it is accurate, but if the first statement is true then it could lead to a reasonable belief in the second.

Fair.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: hdog1017 on December 13, 2019, 02:02:37 PM
Somebody will draft Howard in the 2nd round. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 13, 2019, 04:14:11 PM
Somebody will draft Howard in the 2nd round.

I agree.  Great character, and an elite shooting skill.  If he's 6'3" he's a lottery pick.  I'd personally like to see him land with the Bucks - think he'd thrive in their offense with all the focus on Giannis and their floor spacing with great shooters around the floor.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on December 13, 2019, 05:08:41 PM
I'm going to agree with wades and say you also must not watch the NBA.

  i do watch quite a bit of nba.  more than you guys?  who knows.  college focuses A LOT more on defense than the nba, right?  we just had quite a few posts with people chuckling when defense and nba are mentioned in the same sentence?  so if we agree that the defenses are tighter in college than the nba, how can you come to the conclusion that the 3 is guarded more closely in nba than college?  if that is your stance, then what? the nba does play defense but focuses more on the 3 than down low?  or do they play defense out high and down low?  wait, but the nba and defense are oxymorons.   yes the nba has better shooters, but ya can't have it both ways
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2019, 07:54:30 PM
Put it this way.  If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.

And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.

Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy.  You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that.  The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd.  Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.

Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court.  But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on December 13, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Put it this way.  If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.

And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.

Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy.  You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that.  The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd.  Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.

Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court.  But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?

  fine, but we are talking college vs college and nba vs nba.   not nba vs college.  i am saying college players vs college players-period.  the defense in the college game is as important as the offensive game.  maybe more.  we just got done laughing about nba defense.  of course the skill set of the "average" nba player is probably better than some of the "best" college players.   ya gotta stay in the same lane here wades. 

  i'm just saying, the pressure from end to end, mano a mano, full court press, balls out basketball is in college.  ya snooze ya lose, ya miss an assignment(except if you're jh) you're riding the pines. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2019, 09:07:42 PM
  fine, but we are talking college vs college and nba vs nba.   not nba vs college.  i am saying college players vs college players-period.  the defense in the college game is as important as the offensive game.  maybe more.  we just got done laughing about nba defense.  of course the skill set of the "average" nba player is probably better than some of the "best" college players.   ya gotta stay in the same lane here wades. 

  i'm just saying, the pressure from end to end, mano a mano, full court press, balls out basketball is in college.  ya snooze ya lose, ya miss an assignment(except if you're jh) you're riding the pines.

Yeah. NBA teams don’t go balls to the walls press all game because pros can actually handle the basketball. If NBA teams did that they’d give up 200 points per game. Not because of lack of effort. But because NBA players are incredibly gifted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: THRILLHO on December 13, 2019, 09:57:31 PM
  i do watch quite a bit of nba.  more than you guys?  who knows.  college focuses A LOT more on defense than the nba, right? 

No.


Quote
we just had quite a few posts with people chuckling when defense and nba are mentioned in the same sentence?  so if we agree that the defenses are tighter in college than the nba,

We don't.


Quote

 how can you come to the conclusion that the 3 is guarded more closely in nba than college?  if that is your stance, then what? the nba does play defense but focuses more on the 3 than down low?  or do they play defense out high and down low?  wait, but the nba and defense are oxymorons.   yes the nba has better shooters, but ya can't have it both ways

This is word salad that is impossible to comprehend and therefore argue with.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: AZMarqfan on December 13, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
So has anyone stood next to him?  Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on December 13, 2019, 10:05:33 PM
So has anyone stood next to him?  Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
I've stood directly next to him in a class I had with him a few years ago. I was recently measured at 5'9" without shoes. Markus was about an inch taller than me or so. Hes 5'10"-5'10.5" max.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: WarriorFan on December 13, 2019, 10:09:44 PM
Put it this way.  If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.

And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.

Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy.  You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that.  The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd.  Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.

Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court.  But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?

This

This is the reality.  Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense.  They are already elite offensively.  Every single one, given the role, given the touches, can light it up. 

How does Markus fit?  The best comps are Nate Robinson and JJ Barea, but they are (IMHO) both MUCH better overall players than Markus.  Nate was a first rounder and Barea was undrafted.  For guys this size, regardless of scoring ability, how they are drafted is really a crap-shoot.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on December 13, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
Yeah. NBA teams don’t go balls to the walls press all game because pros can actually handle the basketball. If NBA teams did that they’d give up 200 points per game. Not because of lack of effort. But because NBA players are incredibly gifted.

  yes they are incredibly gifted-that's why they are pros!  also, they play an 82 + game schedule.  the smart ones are in incredible shape, but know when to take their foot off the gas too.  sometimes the pros don't have to go balls to the wall and that's ok.  college?  ya only get one chance to make a first impression
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on December 13, 2019, 10:50:18 PM
  WF-

   " Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense"

 i don't even know where to begin to argue that one.  let's just start and end with nearly all the nba players are there because they can play.  most play decent defense, but that's like saying most baseball players can catch the ball.  but "elite" ?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2019, 02:07:48 AM
Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense. 

HAHAHAHA
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 14, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
So has anyone stood next to him?  Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
MH is definitely closer to 5’9” than 5’11”.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: #Unleash? on December 14, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
MH is definitely closer to 5’9” than 5’11”.

I'm 5'9 and am taller then Howard. He may be around 5'8 and a half at most.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 14, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
Rowsey was like 5'8". Agree that M2N isn't 5'11".
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2019, 11:59:18 AM
I've stood directly next to him in a class I had with him a few years ago. I was recently measured at 5'9" without shoes. Markus was about an inch taller than me or so. Hes 5'10"-5'10.5" max.

I'm 5'9 and am taller then Howard. He may be around 5'8 and a half at most.

So does this mean Howard is shrinking? Two guys the same height stood next to him and he was taller than one and shorter than the other?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 14, 2019, 12:43:34 PM
Yeah he was at least as tall as my 5’10” self.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2019, 03:01:56 PM
I see Markus on TV all the time, and he's only about a foot tall on the screen.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 09:14:57 PM
Latest Mock Draft 1/10/2020

36. Markus Howard

Others of Note
49. Cassius Winston
56. Myles Powell
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on January 12, 2020, 09:25:12 PM
Why is cash of note?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 09:37:49 PM
Why is cash of note?
No particular reason other than a preseason Player of the year candidate. PG . etc. Just a reference point
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: lawdog77 on January 13, 2020, 06:45:29 AM
I see Markus on TV all the time, and he's only about a foot tall on the screen.
you need a bigger TV. Unfortunately, with my black and white TV with rabbit ears, I dont get the game, so I have to listen to it on the radio. On the radio, he sounds like a Greek God.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
As of 2/18/2020
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

42. Markus Howard

Other Notables
52. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on February 24, 2020, 06:56:01 PM
So does this mean Howard is shrinking? Two guys the same height stood next to him and he was taller than one and shorter than the other?

They were mountain climbing together. Markus was the guy in the middle.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2020, 07:03:55 PM
As of 2/18/2020
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

42. Markus Howard

Other Notables
52. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell

I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
Ty-Shon is ranked 79th on the nbadraft.net big board.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on February 24, 2020, 08:52:43 PM
I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.

I think he has the same problem Vander did. Very good, but a little undersized for the 2.  He’s really solid all around, but not a lights out shooter or unstoppable scorer. If he was 6’6-6’7 he’d be an easy first round pick I think. Howard is clearly projected to be drafted due to being an unreal/elite shooter, but I don’t think Alexander is viewed as being “elite” at anything for the next level.

That being said, he’s absolutely my pick for BE POY if not Markus
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2020, 08:54:02 PM
Ty-Shon is ranked 79th on the nbadraft.net big board.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/

I think they have under-ranked him, perhaps significantly so.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on April 30, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
NBA Draft.net position

50. Markus Howard

Other Notables:

Myles Powell fell off the board.

Ty Shon Alexander not on board .
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 30, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
Nothing other than gut feeling, but I feel like someone will take Markus well before the very end of the draft. He’s a guy that fits a niche, has age and maturity on his side, and is by all accounts (well, I guess there’s one) a fantastic kid. Someone with several pick that needs a shooter will reach.

Markus isn’t the type of guy you bet against. Hot take - early 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: franklinjerry on April 30, 2020, 08:31:55 PM
Why not a flyer on Miles Powell?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on April 30, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Why not a flyer on Miles Powell?

Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?

Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better.  Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.

I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on April 30, 2020, 09:44:40 PM
Nothing other than gut feeling, but I feel like someone will take Markus well before the very end of the draft. He’s a guy that fits a niche, has age and maturity on his side, and is by all accounts (well, I guess there’s one) a fantastic kid. Someone with several pick that needs a shooter will reach.

Markus isn’t the type of guy you bet against. Hot take - early 2nd rounder.
Yes—having been thinking of #50 since I saw it. Some GM will grab him....agree early to mid 2nd round.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Golden Avalanche on April 30, 2020, 10:12:25 PM
Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?

Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better.  Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.

I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist

Holy $hit this is tremendous. Spot on. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 11:15:11 PM
Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?

Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better.  Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.

I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist

Great stuff, Wags.

I would take Alexander over Powell in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on May 01, 2020, 12:21:10 AM
Powell could be the next scottie Reynolds. That being said id be surprised if he doesnt play at least 100 min of nba ball
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on May 24, 2020, 01:24:26 AM
I know it's SUPER early, but most mock drafts ive seen have Carton in the 25-40 range, only one mock ive seen with dawson in it going late second round
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on May 24, 2020, 07:11:46 AM
NBAdraft.net as of May 15

2020
50. Markus Howard
2021
19. DJ Carton
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on June 07, 2020, 05:06:10 PM

NBADraft.net Mock Drafts

2020 (as of 6/2)
53. Markus Howard

2021 ( as of 4/20)
19. DJ Carton
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 08, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Surprised Dawson isn't even listed in the second round next year. Usually aren't all the McDAAs represented?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on June 22, 2020, 11:54:32 AM
NBA.net Mock Draft
2020
53. Markus Howard

Also an excellent research report on Markus draft prospects from his hometown newspaper .

 https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2020/04/03/nba-mock-draft-marquette-markus-howard-2020-nba-draft/2939264001/

Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on August 02, 2020, 06:19:28 PM
NBA Draft.Net as of July 30
56. Markus Howard

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on August 04, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
https://www.atthehive.com/2020/7/8/21317236/2020-charlotte-hornets-prospect-scouting-report-markus-howard
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on October 22, 2020, 07:31:41 PM
NBA Draft.net as of 10/19/20
56. Markus Howard


Good outlook for Markus in this article
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-which-four-year-college-player-in-the-2020-nba-draft-class-will-have-the-best-pro-career/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on October 22, 2020, 07:45:41 PM
NBA Draft.net as of 10/19/20
56. Markus Howard


Good outlook for Markus in this article
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-which-four-year-college-player-in-the-2020-nba-draft-class-will-have-the-best-pro-career/

I’m hoping he goes undrafted and signs on with the Bucks.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 22, 2020, 08:08:07 PM
I’m hoping he goes undrafted and signs on with the Bucks.

I just don’t see anyway he doesn’t get drafted.  A shooter and scorer like that is worth a shot, especially in the second round.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BallBoy on October 23, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
NBA Draft.net as of 10/19/20
56. Markus Howard


Good outlook for Markus in this article
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-which-four-year-college-player-in-the-2020-nba-draft-class-will-have-the-best-pro-career/

Not a great spot to be in going into the draft.  Any foreign players taken will start to push players out and not a lot of margin for error if not seleected in that spot.  He is also the only sub 6ft player in the draft.  Karim Mane is listed as #57. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on October 26, 2020, 06:36:23 PM
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/09/04/markus-howard-nba-draft-profile/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: dgies9156 on October 27, 2020, 08:41:00 PM
Karim Mane is listed as #57.

Shoulda gone to college.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on October 28, 2020, 11:21:37 PM
Shoulda gone to college.

Unless he simply didn't want to.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 29, 2020, 09:28:10 AM
Maebee Mane figured MU wuzant worth da financial investment, hey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 29, 2020, 09:45:34 AM
Shoulda gone to college.


And play a likely interrupted season, attending school remotely, etc.  I'm not saying he made the right decision, but I can understand why he made it.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Lens on October 29, 2020, 10:20:08 AM
One thing MU can sell is hoops is #1, games are real events etc.  All that goes out the window in a year like this.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2020, 02:53:08 PM
Just Markus draining 90 of 100 NBA threes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsNuAXtRGs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2020, 02:54:32 PM
Just Markus draining 90 of 100 NBA threes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsNuAXtRGs&feature=youtu.be

Still has no leash, I see.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 03, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Just Markus draining 90 of 100 NBA threes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsNuAXtRGs&feature=youtu.be
Need to send that to every NBA GM
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 03, 2020, 06:11:31 PM
Would crack up if Markus and Joey end up on the same NBA team even if it's just for a tiny stretch.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 03, 2020, 06:42:24 PM
Why does he shoot so much?   Wouldn't it have been better if he only shot 50 times and passed the ball to his practice partners more?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2020, 06:56:01 PM
Whether he's taken in round 2 or he's an undrafted FA (like Wes), that's obviously his ticket to the NBA. A lot of teams will be looking to go young at the end of the bench because revenues cratered due to the coronavirus.

For non-stars, it's a matter of getting a chance and being ready when that happens. I'm rooting for Marquette's all-time scoring leader. Go get 'em, Markus!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 03, 2020, 08:27:31 PM
NBA Draft.net

As of November 3
2020
55. Markus Howard
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: genious expert on November 11, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Markus measured 5’-9.5” without shoes at the draft combine.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: marqfan22 on November 11, 2020, 09:40:44 PM
Would crack up if Markus and Joey end up on the same NBA team even if it's just for a tiny stretch.

Joey isn’t going to the NBA. He barely started and struggled for a one and done tourney team. Never mind making a NBA roster.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2020, 09:44:32 PM
Joey isn’t going to the NBA. He barely started and struggled for a one and done tourney team. Never mind making a NBA roster.

As much as I dislike him, a very tall player who can stretch the floor and handle the ball will make it. You're judging after his freshman year and jaded by him transferring. Id bet on him to at least get his look.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: #Unleash? on November 11, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
Joey isn’t going to the NBA. He barely started and struggled for a one and done tourney team. Never mind making a NBA roster.

Remind me in three years how well this comment aged.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 11, 2020, 10:11:25 PM
Remind me in three years how well this comment aged.

I think he is being sarcastic.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2020, 06:21:18 AM
Markus measured 5’-9.5” without shoes at the draft combine.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/




Iz dat wit orr witout hare, hey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on November 12, 2020, 09:41:28 AM
Markus measured 5’-9.5” without shoes at the draft combine.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/

Always found it amusing that they measure without shoes. Cause we all know players ball barefoot in the league.  But all considered, not a bad outcome. Means he’s in that 5,10.5-5’11 range in shoes. He’s short, we’ve always known that, but he’s not Lilliputian
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: forgetful on November 12, 2020, 10:20:49 AM
Always found it amusing that they measure without shoes. Cause we all know players ball barefoot in the league.  But all considered, not a bad outcome. Means he’s in that 5,10.5-5’11 range in shoes. He’s short, we’ve always known that, but he’s not Lilliputian

Why measure in shoes. They are all different.

People's height is their height without shoes. Well, technically if you ask someone their height it always seems to be their height without shoes, + a random 2 inches.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 12, 2020, 12:15:13 PM
Always found it amusing that they measure without shoes. Cause we all know players ball barefoot in the league.  But all considered, not a bad outcome. Means he’s in that 5,10.5-5’11 range in shoes. He’s short, we’ve always known that, but he’s not Lilliputian

They measured him at 5'11" in shoes.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 12, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
So MU doesn't fudge the heights, they always had Markus listed as 5'11".
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 12, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
6 foot and 1/4 wingspan for Markus and trim at 170.8 pounds
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Afroman on November 14, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love Markus, but what's the difference between him and Rowsey as far as making an NBA roster?
Both can shoot it and are roughly the same height. Limited defensively. OK ball handlers.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MUDPT on November 14, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
I realize LaMelo is 8 inches taller, but dude shot 25% from 3 in Australia, as an 18 year old.  Markus shot 55% in the Big East as a 17 year old. One is guaranteed top 10, probably top 5 and the other has a good shot of not being drafted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 14, 2020, 12:49:03 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love Markus, but what's the difference between him and Rowsey as far as making an NBA roster?
Both can shoot it and are roughly the same height. Limited defensively. OK ball handlers.

Markus is slightly less of a revolving door on D whereas Rowsey being compared to a revolving door was probably disingenuous to revolving doors.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 14, 2020, 12:53:34 PM
Markus is slightly less of a revolving door on D whereas Rowsey being compared to a revolving door was probably disingenuous to revolving doors.

He's also the greatest scorer in Big East history. Did it at a high level for four seasons in various roles. Historically great numbers his final season.

All those things add up to a stew that makes him more appealing as a draft pick than Rowsey.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 14, 2020, 03:49:00 PM
I realize LaMelo is 8 inches taller, but dude shot 25% from 3 in Australia, as an 18 year old.  Markus shot 55% in the Big East as a 17 year old. One is guaranteed top 10, probably top 5 and the other has a good shot of not being drafted.
8 inches taller is your answer.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
8 inches taller is your answer.

Better ball handler and court vision as well.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2020, 03:57:44 PM
I was and am a huge fan of Markus.   An amazing scorer.   A wonderful representative of Marquette.   But when it comes to the league, I equate him with Gardner.   
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on November 14, 2020, 03:59:04 PM
8 inches taller is your answer.

Yup. If Markus was 6'6", he would've been a lottery pick. In the 2018 NBA Draft.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 14, 2020, 04:00:35 PM
Yup. If Markus was 6'6", he would've been a lottery pick. In the 2018 NBA Draft.

After playing his freshman year at Duke.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2020, 04:05:14 PM
Fact.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on November 14, 2020, 04:07:09 PM
After playing his freshman year at Duke.

He wasn't draft eligible until after his sophomore year. But definitely more likely he'd have been far higher rated and recruited, yes.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2020, 04:12:26 PM
We were 8 inches from avoiding cancer? Damn.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
After playing his freshman year at Duke.

Wooda bin a grean weener, aina?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 14, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
If Uncle Joe had a 'gina, he'd bee Aunt Sally, aina?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: WithoutBias on November 14, 2020, 04:18:30 PM
If Uncle Joe had a 'gina, he'd bee Aunt Sally, aina?

Keep up wit da tymes dok.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 14, 2020, 05:37:09 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love Markus, but what's the difference between him and Rowsey as far as making an NBA roster?
Both can shoot it and are roughly the same height. Limited defensively. OK ball handlers.
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I think Markus and Rowsey Are comparable offensively.

We have now seen evidence of Rowsey at the professional level. Was in Toronto summer league team coming out of college. Had a solid first year in Hungary ,which led to a G League spot with the Lakeland . Rowsey put up very big offensive numbers At high efficiency for Lakeland including a 43 point game . However , he saw limited time on the TBT team.  He is now a reserve on a team in the Top German League. It should be noted the Euro Leagues play on a smaller court and the league is physical and this does not play to Rowsey strengths. So , we have seen Rowsey get opportunities To play for payb,  but so far The lack of defense  has Limited his ability  to get a bona fide opportunity in the NBA.

I think Markus will get an opportunity In the NBA because he has worked very hard on his conditioning and defense . Not saying he has improved but that extra effort  may enough what to give some team the courage to sign him and take a flyer  . Most likely ,the second road or as free agent and see if he can stick around.

If it doesn’t work out For Markus I think he will follow in the footsteps of Rowsey and play some G League and turn that into a European top level league contract.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 14, 2020, 05:46:55 PM
Markus’ defense wasn’t terrible. Rowsey’s was.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2020, 05:50:47 PM
Markus was a much better defender than Rowdy. Much better than a lot of people gave him credit for.

Offensively, Markus was much more versatile than Rowdy was. He could score in a lot of different ways whereas Rowdy was mostly limited to his (unreal) three point shooting.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 14, 2020, 11:42:42 PM
Markus will get drafted in the Arby's Round. Chicago Bulls
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 15, 2020, 07:31:43 AM
Markus was a much better defender than Rowdy. Much better than a lot of people gave him credit for.

Offensively, Markus was much more versatile than Rowdy was. He could score in a lot of different ways whereas Rowdy was mostly limited to his (unreal) three point shooting.

“Rowdy” (Roddy Piper?) also had The Thing.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: TheGym on November 16, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Parrish has Marcus going to GSW, the after practice games of H O R S E would be a blast.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-picked-no-1-by-timberwolves-james-wiseman-goes-no-2-to-warriors/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2020-lamelo-ball-picked-no-1-by-timberwolves-james-wiseman-goes-no-2-to-warriors/)
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on November 16, 2020, 05:39:36 PM
He’s been gone so long, it’s like we don’t even know him.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 16, 2020, 06:29:25 PM
NBADraft.Net as of November 16,2020

44. Markus Howard

This is the highest Markus has been in the Mock Draft in a long time. this ranking is also after the NBA Combine so I guess the event was a positive for Markus.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 16, 2020, 07:21:25 PM
Just watched some videos.    We will not see his like again.     I have changed my mind.    I think somebody picks him up.   
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 16, 2020, 07:25:25 PM
Just watched some videos.    We will not see his like again.     I have changed my mind.    I think somebody picks him up.
I think you have nailed the precise reason some one will take a flyer on him. Shooters of his ability just don't come around that often. It is worth a second round pick to see if he can do it at the next level.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: lawdog77 on November 17, 2020, 06:16:11 AM
I think you have nailed the precise reason some one will take a flyer on him. Shooters of his ability just don't come around that often. It is worth a second round pick to see if he can do it at the next level.
I would have loved to see him in the 3point shooting contest at the Final Four. Perfect score, maybe?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MUDPT on November 17, 2020, 06:21:24 AM
Twitter consensus draft: https://mobile.twitter.com/SloanImperative/status/1328432072063586307

Number 62
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 17, 2020, 07:52:03 PM
Good video of Markus and His Family training.

https://twitter.com/ChierstinSusel/status/1328446442072051717
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on November 17, 2020, 08:01:36 PM
Good video of Markus and His Family training.

https://twitter.com/ChierstinSusel/status/1328446442072051717
Cant tell if hes training for the NBA or the priesthood. aina?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: lawdog77 on November 18, 2020, 07:30:14 AM
I like how at the end of the video that Joey Hauser is guarding him.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 18, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
Cant tell if hes training for the NBA or the priesthood. aina?
I think both ...

https://sportsspectrum.com/sport/basketball/2020/11/17/markus-howard-spread-gods-word-nba-draft/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Pakuni on November 18, 2020, 03:42:03 PM
ESPN just ran a feature about sons of former NBA players in the draft, featuring (among others) Brendan Bailey.
I kind of forgot about him. Guessing we won't hear his name tonight.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: LAMUfan on November 18, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
I like how at the end of the video that Joey Hauser is guarding him.
Damn
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 18, 2020, 04:28:32 PM
Quote
ESPN just ran a feature about sons of former NBA players in the draft, featuring (among others) Brendan Bailey.
I kind of forgot about him. Guessing we won't hear his name tonight.
Not a chance of that happening. I wish him well. Seems like a classy person just like all of Wojo's guys.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 18, 2020, 04:36:41 PM
Not a chance of that happening. I wish him well. Seems like a classy person just like all of Wojo's guys.

Still a real head scratcher of a move for BB.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: zcg2013 on November 18, 2020, 04:51:07 PM
Still a real head scratcher of a move for BB.

I think he realized he's not going to gain much more value as a 23 year old junior for draft stock. Likely will earn money overseas somewhere.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
Just watched some videos.    We will not see his like again.     I have changed my mind.    I think somebody picks him up.

Honest question I don’t know the answer to - how common is it for first team All Americans go undrafted? What % are lottery picks, first rounders and second rounders?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 18, 2020, 05:23:48 PM
Final NBADraft.net mock draft
44. Markus Howard
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 18, 2020, 05:31:45 PM
Honest question I don’t know the answer to - how common is it for first team All Americans go undrafted? What % are lottery picks, first rounders and second rounders?

I believe that the list of undrafted AAs is exactly one name.  Scottie Reynolds.  Don't know %s based on round.

Agree with those that think he's worth a late 2nd rounder, his shooting is too elite not to be given a chance.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Markusquette on November 18, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
Hope the Bucks take him at 45.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 18, 2020, 05:46:39 PM
He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route?  I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar.  Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Markusquette on November 18, 2020, 05:53:42 PM
He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route?  I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar.  Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.

I'd be surprised, but not shocked. Possible if he puts the work in. It might be more like a Juan Toscano situation years down the road.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 18, 2020, 06:14:46 PM
He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route?  I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar.  Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.
Agree and I think the same of Theo John next year.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: martyconlonontherun on November 18, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
Still a real head scratcher of a move for BB.
He's 23. you could either play for Marquette or go make money in Europe. Not really a choice in my mind. Wish him luck.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BM1090 on November 18, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
He won't get drafted, but anyone else think that Sacar has a chance at the "undrafted but find a way to stick" route?  I was looking at his stats in comparison to Wes, and they're fairly similar.  Sacar actually shot better from distance on more attempt as a Senior, and if you're looking for a cheap, young, 3 and D athletic guy for your 13th spot, you could do worse.

I don't see it. He can shoot a bit but his shot is way too slow and he isn't as explosive laterally. Sacar was one of my favorites so very much hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 18, 2020, 06:36:10 PM
I don't see it. He can shoot a bit but his shot is way too slow and he isn't as explosive laterally. Sacar was one of my favorites so very much hope I'm wrong.

If Jamil can’t stick, not sure how Sacar could.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 18, 2020, 06:43:44 PM
If Jamil can’t stick, not sure how Sacar could.

Well not getting sued for knowingly having herpes when having unprotected sex will probably help Sacar
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 18, 2020, 07:11:19 PM
Sacar is also 6 years younger than Jamil, plays a different position, and yes (hopefully) knows how to practice safe sex. 

If I had to bet, I would still put money down on 2 years in the G-League, then off to Europe.  But, while all the draft news has been about Markus, I don't think it would be all that surprising if Sacar end ups having a longer NBA career.  If you can get the reputation of a solid 3 and D player, you can have a pretty nice journeyman career i.e. Wes.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 18, 2020, 07:45:50 PM
Sacar is also 6 years younger than Jamil, plays a different position, and yes (hopefully) knows how to practice safe sex. 

If I had to bet, I would still put money down on 2 years in the G-League, then off to Europe.  But, while all the draft news has been about Markus, I don't think it would be all that surprising if Sacar end ups having a longer NBA career.  If you can get the reputation of a solid 3 and D player, you can have a pretty nice journeyman career i.e. Wes.
I think your assessment about Sacar is accurate. It just takes one coach to believe in what Sacar brings to the table and maybe he makes the most of the opportunity. Sacar has some decent tools to bring to the party .

Jamil made the most of his opportunity and then unfortunately the downside of the two way contract is he ran out of days and so the Clippers had to either sign him up for the rest of the season or let him go. They had no cap room so they had to let him go and bring up another two way player. Unfortunately then the lawsuit happened when Jamil was on the verge of being signed by the Lakers. Now it looks like he is a career European guy .
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2020, 09:12:23 PM
All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 18, 2020, 09:17:50 PM
Nah Lenny man, if da software is right, anything can happen, aina?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 18, 2020, 09:20:37 PM
All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.

I don't get it either but Juan and Buycks have shown me who knows what can happen
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 18, 2020, 09:26:53 PM
All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.

What "love" are you seeing?  I'm probably more optimistic about his chances than just about anyone, and I said best case he's the 13th man somewhere, and most likely he's in the G-League.  I just don't think the possibility of Sacar making it should be dismissed completely.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 18, 2020, 09:29:00 PM
All this Sacar to the NBA love blows my mind. I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see it.

+1
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2020, 09:46:06 PM
Sacar is a lock to have a fine NBA career. He’ll be a starter this season, he’ll be an All-Star in Year 3, and he has an outside shot at being a Hall of Famer.

Now THAT’S love!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2020, 09:51:35 PM
I don't get it either but Juan and Buycks have shown me who knows what can happen

Juan had size and athleticism that Sacar doesn’t. Buycks had skill levels Sacar doesn’t. He’s not in Jamil’s league either. And somebody actually compared him to Wesley.

Mind blowing.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 18, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
Juan had size and athleticism that Sacar doesn’t. Buycks had skill levels Sacar doesn’t. He’s not in Jamil’s league either. And somebody actually compared him to Wesley.

Mind blowing.

Me again, weird how you won't actually respond to me  :o.

I don't think comparing a 6-5 220 lb G to a 6-5 210 lb G is "mind blowing"

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sacar-anim-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wesley-matthews-1.html

Wes definitely holds the edge in some categories, but Sacar certainly hold his own in others.

Again, not saying it's a lock like 82 (in teal) was, but the odds are above 0 like they currently are for Jayce or would have been for Ed, so given the title of the thread, I think it's worth discussing.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2020, 10:33:51 PM
Me again, weird how you won't actually respond to me  :o.

I don't think comparing a 6-5 220 lb G to a 6-5 210 lb G is "mind blowing"

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sacar-anim-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wesley-matthews-1.html

Wes definitely holds the edge in some categories, but Sacar certainly hold his own in others.

Again, not saying it's a lock like 82 (in teal) was, but the odds are above 0 like they currently are for Jayce or would have been for Ed, so given the title of the thread, I think it's worth discussing.

Above 0? Okay, I guess. But I wasn’t at all surprised that Wesley made it. He looked like an NBA player to me his senior year. Juan and Dwight were shocks, but they each had skills that translated. Like I said, I hope I’m missing something but I see nothing in Sacar’s game that merits an NBA career. Nothing.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on November 18, 2020, 10:45:06 PM
You guys do realize that Marcus Howard isn't getting drafted........right?

oh wait.....now Sacar Anim is being talked about as sleeper NBA potential.  Unreal. 

No one wants to use a draft pick on a guard that's too small and had difficulty shooting against decent defenders.  Getting to the free throw line was how Howard filled up the stat sheet at MU.  That doesn't work in the NBA, nor does his inability to defend or pass.  Wojo didn't develop him enough at MU.  1 dimensional.  There's way more potential on the board.  Only way for him to make it is in the G league.  Europe is where he'll excel.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 18, 2020, 10:47:55 PM
6-5 and I'd argue his frame would allow him to add another 10-15 lbs of muscle, and shot 40% from 3.  Won't argue overall potential against some of the players drafted, but when I see a 6-3 198 lb 29% three point shooter, and a 6-5 174 lb 36 % three point shooter (Maxey and Maledon respectively) get drafted, I can see a path for Sacar.  Again they're better overall prospects, but with size, shooting, and defensive ability/potential being at premiums right now, I think there may be a spot at the end of a bench for a 3 and D league minimum salary project.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 18, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
You guys do realize that Marcus Howard isn't getting drafted........right?

Markus ain’t getting drafted, but at least spell his name right...
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 18, 2020, 11:11:26 PM
Howard goes undrafted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 18, 2020, 11:14:51 PM
Markus is just not a good NBA prospect. If you have those late second round picks, you take a flier on a 6’7” freak athlete. Not a 5’10” shooting guard who can’t play defense. Markus is Scottie Reynolds.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BM1090 on November 18, 2020, 11:15:36 PM
Markus is just not a good NBA prospect. If you have those late second round picks, you take a flier on a 6’7” freak athlete. Not a 5’10” shooting guard who can’t play defense. Markus is Scottie Reynolds.

I'd still bet on him getting at least one NBA minute this year.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 18, 2020, 11:17:17 PM
Of note, Karim Mane goes undrafted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 18, 2020, 11:19:20 PM
I'd still bet on him getting at least one NBA minute this year.

I hope you’re right, but I just don’t see him ever lacing it up in the NBA.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Autoengineer on November 18, 2020, 11:22:49 PM
Howard goes undrafted.

He wasn’t even in Jay Bilas’ top 6 remaining with one pick left. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on November 18, 2020, 11:33:35 PM
markus will make nice money overseas. powell not gettin picked is no surpise. kansas dotson not gettin picked is surpirsing. good luck markus. he either has a cup of coffe in  the nba or makes good money overseas. right???
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 18, 2020, 11:44:41 PM
markus will make nice money overseas. powell not gettin picked is no surpise. kansas dotson not gettin picked is surpirsing. good luck markus. he either has a cup of coffe in  the nba or makes good money overseas. right???

Dotson agreed to a deal with Chicago.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2020, 11:47:01 PM
I am beginning to think that going to college is a bad idea for kids who want to play in the NBA these days. Go overseas or hang out in prep school for a year, and hope you get drafted for ‘untapped potential.’ Or maybe go to college for a year and throw your name in the draft before teams see limits to your upside.

Only a handful of kids played three or four years of college and then got drafted tonight.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BM1090 on November 18, 2020, 11:54:19 PM
Howard signs a two way with Denver.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 18, 2020, 11:56:04 PM
Howard signs a two way with Denver.

Kinda surprised at that, not for getting signed just think that’s a tough landing spot for him. No minutes available in that backcourt.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: martyconlonontherun on November 19, 2020, 12:06:16 AM
I am beginning to think that going to college is a bad idea for kids who want to play in the NBA these days. Go overseas or hang out in prep school for a year, and hope you get drafted for ‘untapped potential.’ Or maybe go to college for a year and throw your name in the draft before teams see limits to your upside.

Only a handful of kids played three or four years of college and then got drafted tonight.
Well yeah, most nba guys leave early since the pay, coaching and lifestyle is better. If you are an accountant and can get a full salary after your freshman year from a big four, do you think it's beneficial to stay in college or are you better off going to firm for their better training and best assignments.

Especially with the pandemic, why would you stick around college if you could get paid the past two years?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 19, 2020, 12:57:45 AM
I hope you’re right, but I just don’t see him ever lacing it up in the NBA.

Markus 100% plays in the NBA at somepoint. Probably this year.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2020, 06:48:19 AM
Markus ain’t getting drafted, but at least spell his name right...



Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 19, 2020, 07:15:28 AM


Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?

He signed a two way contract already. He’ll be playing in the Association this year.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2020, 07:19:05 AM
Along with Bailey, Amin, and Mane, aina?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2020, 07:33:55 AM
He signed a two way contract already. He’ll be playing in the Association this year.

I wouldn’t bet against Markus.  Will he make it?  I don’t know but I know he’ll work as hard as anyone else to make it and he’ll make Marquette proud.  Plenty of Marquette fans and alum will cheer against him and that’s sad.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jesmu84 on November 19, 2020, 07:42:42 AM


Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?

Nothing better than "fans" who root against our players.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 19, 2020, 08:07:09 AM
NBA teams get 2 two way contracts.  With covid almost certain to knock players out for periods of time, Markus will find himself on the NBA roster plenty.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2020, 08:13:50 AM
C'mon man, no attack against Markus was made or implied. Just a fact of life that 5'9" shooting guards will have a difficult time making it, particularly when the league matches you up against 6'5" players. Never met Markus. All indications are he's a fine, upstanding human being. Likely, will be a huge success in life, hey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2020, 08:17:15 AM
Every undrafted player -- and most second-rounders, and a good number of first-rounders -- will find it difficult to get a serious look in the NBA.

Markus is little and limited, but he has one proven skill that is highly valued. I certainly wouldn't bet against him getting some opportunities this season. As wades said, just the COVID-19 situation alone suggests that the Nuggets probably will need to add several players to the bottom of their roster on numerous occasions.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 19, 2020, 08:25:52 AM
Me again, weird how you won't actually respond to me  :o.

I don't think comparing a 6-5 220 lb G to a 6-5 210 lb G is "mind blowing"

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sacar-anim-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/wesley-matthews-1.html

Wes definitely holds the edge in some categories, but Sacar certainly hold his own in others.

Again, not saying it's a lock like 82 (in teal) was, but the odds are above 0 like they currently are for Jayce or would have been for Ed, so given the title of the thread, I think it's worth discussing.


Oh come on.  You just have to watch games to realize that, despite the fact they are the same height and weight (lol), Sacar is nothing like Wesley. 

Sacar is a physical defender, with an inconsistent shot and no left hand.  Wesley was always a consistent scorer from all levels, on top of being a decent defender who turned himself into a very good one.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on November 19, 2020, 08:26:01 AM
C'mon man, no attack against Markus was made or implied. Just a fact of life that 5'9" shooting guards will have a difficult time making it, particularly when the league matches you up against 6'5" players. Never met Markus. All indications are he's a fine, upstanding human being. Likely, will be a huge success in life, hey?

When critical thinking is posted, the weak-minded tend to be offended.  Markus is a decent person but at the NBA level he's an outlier due to his body and skillset.  While most will defend him, it needs to be said that he didn't exactly improve his passing or defense significantly while under Wojo.  That's the red flag.  In the NBA he's a liability.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 19, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
I am beginning to think that going to college is a bad idea for kids who want to play in the NBA these days. Go overseas or hang out in prep school for a year, and hope you get drafted for ‘untapped potential.’ Or maybe go to college for a year and throw your name in the draft before teams see limits to your upside.

Only a handful of kids played three or four years of college and then got drafted tonight.


You have it backwards.  Players who can get drafted, leave early.  Markus wasn't going to have a much different outcome no matter when he came out.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 19, 2020, 08:32:19 AM
Markus was a once in a lifetime college basketball player.   But he is 5'9.   I thought there was a chance someone would draft him, but I am not surprised by this outcome.   5'9.    In the end, the only number that mattered.   Yes, he can shoot like Steph Curry.  5'9.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2020, 08:33:28 AM
When critical thinking is posted, the weak-minded tend to be offended.  Markus is a decent person but at the NBA level he's an outlier due to his body and skillset.  While most will defend him, it needs to be said that he didn't exactly improve his passing or defense significantly while under Wojo.  That's the red flag.  In the NBA he's a liability.

Who said he isn’t a liability in the NBA?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: lawdog77 on November 19, 2020, 08:34:39 AM
Markus was a once in a lifetime college basketball player.   But he is 5'9.   I thought there was a chance someone would draft him, but I am not surprised by this outcome.   5'9.    In the end, the only number that mattered.   Yes, he can shoot like Steph Curry.  5'9.
5'10...we round up here  :)
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on November 19, 2020, 08:35:39 AM
Who said he isn’t a liability in the NBA?

jesmu84 got all bent out of shape saying "gotta love it when you root against your own players"

He's a tad sensitive
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Its DJOver on November 19, 2020, 08:37:23 AM

Oh come on.  You just have to watch games to realize that, despite the fact they are the same height and weight (lol), Sacar is nothing like Wesley. 

Sacar is a physical defender, with an inconsistent shot and no left hand.  Wesley was always a consistent scorer from all levels, on top of being a decent defender who turned himself into a very good one.

Wesley being a scorer from all levels in college didn't really effect him in the pros though considering he attempted less than two 2 point shots per game last year, and hasn't had a year where he attempted more 2s than 3s since the 11-12 season. 

Wesley is a 3 and D guy who's career 3 point shooting percentage is 38%.  Sacar shot 39% from 3 last year.  Wesley improved massively on the defensive end his first few years in the NBA.  Can Sacar do the same?  I think it's a long shot, but I do think it's a possibility.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2020, 08:38:03 AM
jesmu84 got all bent out of shape saying "gotta love it when you root against your own players"

He's a tad sensitive

No, he’s right.  There are those here that will cheer against him
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on November 19, 2020, 08:38:57 AM
 Chris Clemons is on the Rockets roster. Converted from a 2 way to a standard NBA contract in his first season. A bit shorter than Markus and not as good of a shooter, despite being a similar type of player. Don’t rule out Markus seeing significant time 

And Markus is above 5’10 in shoes according to the NBA combine measurements. Enough with the 5’9 digs
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 19, 2020, 08:44:25 AM
Sacar will not play in the NBA. 

Markus is too short to reliably play in the NBA... also he won't be able to defend

Saying these two things doesn't mean I am not rooting for either of them.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 19, 2020, 08:53:21 AM
Sacar will not play in the NBA. 

Markus is too short to reliably play in the NBA... also he won't be able to defend

Saying these two things doesn't mean I am not rooting for either of them.

Put Markus on IT and he has a shot of effectively defending someone.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 19, 2020, 09:07:52 AM
This is how the Bucks used their two second round choices. They took two shooters:
1. Jordan Nwora with 45 pick
2. Sam Merrill with 60th pick 

I wonder if they offered Markus a free agent spot.

Will be interesting to see what teams offered Markus. As a free agent he could choose the best fit .

 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jesmu84 on November 19, 2020, 09:58:26 AM
It was ignored that directly after the draft, he was given a contract. So, apparently the association does have some use for a 5'9" player, eh?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 19, 2020, 10:11:32 AM
Nothing better than "fans" who root against our players.

This has increased dramatically over the last eight to nine months.

Hard not to notice that it dovetails with the complete collapse of that which those "fans" hold dear in life outside of basketball and a general feeling of grievance not being paid attention to in a manner that absolves them of their deficient character and lacking morals.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 19, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
This has increased dramatically over the last eight to nine months.

Hard not to notice that it dovetails with the complete collapse of that which those "fans" hold dear in life outside of basketball and a general feeling of grievance not being paid attention to in a manner that absolves them of their deficient character and lacking morals.

So Marquette fans who take off their blue and gold glasses long enough to see the obvious (that Sacar Anim has shown nothing to indicate he’s an NBA player) or agree with every NBA team that passed on Markus (all of them) that he might have a tough time in the association come to these conclusions because they have deficient characters and lack morals.

If this wasn’t meant to be in teal it’s the craziest post in Scoop history.

Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Autoengineer on November 19, 2020, 07:25:08 PM


Shockin', the Association has no room for 5'9" shooting guards. Markus got a free college education. That's a pretty nice head start in life, hey?

Dems are going to forgive everyone’s student loans anyways so he may have ended up working more for his education than most. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 29, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
NBA Draft.net as of November 28,2020

No current MU players listed on the 2021 Mock Draft. First 2022  Mock Draft and 2021 Big Board top 100 not yet out.

MU Related
43. Sam Hauser
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 29, 2020, 10:18:47 AM
NBA Draft.net as of November 28,2020

No current MU players listed on the 2021 Mock Draft. First 2022  Mock Draft and 2021 Big Board top 100 not yet out.

MU Related
43. Sam Hauser

Who?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on November 29, 2020, 10:25:05 AM
Who?
Sam Hauser is an American college basketball player for the Virginia Cavaliers of the Atlantic Coast Conference. he is 22 years old and 6'8". He played high school ball in wisconsin with his brother joey and won a title. after high school, sam hauser elected to play basketball at marquette university located in milwaukee wisconsin. He received a full scholarship and played three seasons at marquette under coach steve Wojciechowski. He then decided to transfer to Virginia to play basketball his final year. His final season is currently underway.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: burger on November 29, 2020, 10:36:26 AM
Sam Hauser is an American college basketball player for the Virginia Cavaliers of the Atlantic Coast Conference. he is 22 years old and 6'8". He played high school ball in wisconsin with his brother joey and won a title. after high school, sam hauser elected to play basketball at marquette university located in milwaukee wisconsin. He received a full scholarship and played three seasons at marquette under coach steve Wojciechowski. He then decided to transfer to Virginia to play basketball his final year. His final season is currently underway.

Yeah.....you know.....the guy the ACC is hyping for "national POY"......That is a major "stretch"......And I do not mean "stretch 4".....

When I heard Bilas say that I almost fell out of my "old man's chair"....

Is Dick Vitale still doing games.....If he starts with that $hit.....I will have to mute the volume.....
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Lens on November 29, 2020, 10:44:13 AM
Who?

He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final.  Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 29, 2020, 10:49:31 AM
Yeah.....you know.....the guy the ACC is hyping for "national POY"......That is a major "stretch"......And I do not mean "stretch 4".....

When I heard Bilas say that I almost fell out of my "old man's chair"....

Is Dick Vitale still doing games.....If he starts with that $hit.....I will have to mute the volume.....

Yeah that is a huge stretch.  He will get the hype though, so you never know. I wish him well.  He was a very good player for MU.  I appreciated him while he was here.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on November 29, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
NBA Draft.net as of November 28,2020

No current MU players listed on the 2021 Mock Draft. First 2022  Mock Draft and 2021 Big Board top 100 not yet out.

MU Related
43. Sam Hauser
As much as you want Trump, Sam Hauser is no longer MU related.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 29, 2020, 11:57:21 AM
Never heard of him.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 29, 2020, 12:05:29 PM
He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final.  Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.

Guess you missed the update.  Spoiler alert: His teammate did pass him the ball and the result was the same.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 29, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
Never heard of him.

You’d have to have a little bit of knowledge about college basketball to have heard of him. Not much, mind you, just a little bit.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 29, 2020, 12:16:19 PM
Just another guy who left.   Some of you guys have never moved on from the girl who dumped you sophomore year of high school.   
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on November 29, 2020, 12:33:39 PM
You’d have to have a little bit of knowledge about college basketball to have heard of him. Not much, mind you, just a little bit.

Remind me, Lenny. I don’t have a little bit of knowledge about college basketball so forgive me. But who is Zaire Williamson, again?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on November 29, 2020, 12:38:13 PM
Just another guy who left.   Some of you guys have never moved on from the girl who dumped you sophomore year of high school.
projection? ;D
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on November 29, 2020, 12:58:24 PM
Nope.   Moved on from all of them.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 29, 2020, 04:00:24 PM
He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final.  Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.

There's plenty of material to get snarky with so why did you resort to outright lying? It's pathetic. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2020, 04:04:46 PM
He was last seen at MSG wide open for 3 on March 15th, 2019 in the closing seconds of a Big East Tournament semi final.  Spoiler alert: his teammate didn’t look to pass.

Actually I last saw him get the ball wide open 2 days ago and miss the game winner...
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on November 29, 2020, 05:58:38 PM
Good draft write ups on Dawson and DJ  and comparison to other players at the same position in past and future years.

https://nbadraftroom.com/dawson-garcia/

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/d-j-carton/


Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on December 06, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
NBADraft.net as of 11/30/2020

No  Current MU player on the list. Keeping a close watch for any Dawson or JFL sightings.

Former MU Player
44. Sam Hauser
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BM1090 on December 26, 2020, 10:23:09 AM
I'd still bet on him getting at least one NBA minute this year.

Bump! Congrats Markus!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Newsdreams on December 26, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
Bump! Congrats Markus!
M2N
Free BJ
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on January 06, 2021, 03:24:05 PM
NBADraft.net as of January 1, 2021
2021
None
2022
39. DJ Carton

Former MU Player
2021
52. Sam Hauser
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Big East on March 09, 2021, 08:28:45 AM
NBA Draft.net as of March 6,2021
2021
None
2022
30. DJ Carton

Former MU Player
2021
48. Sam Hauser


Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on March 09, 2021, 09:59:56 AM
NBA Draft.net as of March 6,2021
2021
None
2022
30. DJ Carton

Former MU Player
2021
48. Sam Hauser

Carton wouldn’t get drafted if he came out this year. But somehow he is top 30 next year? In a draft that may include high schoolers? Not a chance.

Hauser? Nope.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on March 09, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Carton wouldn’t get drafted if he came out this year. But somehow he is top 30 next year? In a draft that may include high schoolers? Not a chance.

Hauser? Nope.

Sometimes players improve over time.  Obi Toppin and Tyrese Haliburton would have been maybe second round draft picks after their freshman years.  They were top 10 picks after their sophomore years.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BM1090 on March 09, 2021, 10:47:12 AM
Carton wouldn’t get drafted if he came out this year. But somehow he is top 30 next year? In a draft that may include high schoolers? Not a chance.

Hauser? Nope.

I'd bet Sam gets drafted late this year.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on March 09, 2021, 10:48:45 AM
Sometimes players improve over time.  Obi Toppin and Tyrese Haliburton would have been maybe second round draft picks after their freshman years.  They were top 10 picks after their sophomore years.

I expect Carton to improve. He has NBA athleticism.

Ball handling, passing need lots and lots of improvement. Shot needs to be re-worked.

I think he could possibly work his way into the 2nd round, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on March 09, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
I'd bet Sam gets drafted late this year.

I disagree. Doesn’t mean I’m right, though.

We’ll see.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 09, 2021, 10:53:39 AM
If Carton makes reasonable improvements on both his shot and his handles, he can be a first rounder.  He has the size and the athleticism.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on March 10, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
Well, I guess it is time to put this thread to rest.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Pakuni on January 07, 2022, 10:46:32 AM
The Athletic's latest NBA mock has Justin going #50 overall to the Minnesota T'Wolves.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Lens on January 07, 2022, 10:53:07 AM
The Athletic's latest NBA mock has Justin going #50 overall to the Minnesota T'Wolves.

Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 07, 2022, 10:58:57 AM
Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.

Anyone got an "in" with TC Tuggers or Dan Flashes?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 07, 2022, 11:07:34 AM
The Athletic's latest NBA mock has Justin going #50 overall to the Minnesota T'Wolves.

Justin was 48 in the latest Bleacher Report mock draft by their head scout.

Justin not listed in the recent USA Today 2 round mock draft.

ESPN ranks Lewis at 42 on their big board top 100.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 07, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.




Art's Performing Center kneeds a spokesman, aina?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 07, 2022, 12:42:17 PM
Time to direct some NIL money Justin's way.

Two weeks ago:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXykJJQLCq-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Proud to announce my NIL deal with Milwaukee’s hippest restaurant @unclebucksonthird, located in the heart of downtown Milwaukee’s most prominent entertainment area.
 
Make sure you pull up before and after games and let them know I sent you! Wait until you see what we have dropping on the menu soon. 👀 🍔 🔥
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2022, 01:19:57 PM
https://unclebucksonthird.com/milwaukee-uncle-bucks-food-menu
Quote
Marquette’s Justin Lewis very own Signature “Double Double” *
$14.95
Two burger patties topped with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes and pickles

Classic, though unimaginative.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: lawdog77 on January 07, 2022, 01:25:09 PM
Waiting for the Daryl "Morsel" of food appetizer platter, or the Kur to what ails you hangover drink.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: barfolomew on January 07, 2022, 01:30:55 PM
And local bath and fixture stores should be touting The Bold, New Look of Kolek.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2022, 01:37:39 PM
Ighodaro can basically rep any restaurant. Try our new *insert food here*. It's Oso good!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 07, 2022, 01:41:43 PM
Ighodaro can basically rep any restaurant. Try our new *insert food here*. It's Oso good!

Wow somebody get Arbys advertising on the phone!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2022, 01:42:50 PM
Office Max on line 1.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Equalizer on January 07, 2022, 01:43:54 PM
And local bath and fixture stores should be touting The Bold, New Look of Kolek.

As oppposed to the bold new look of Theo John.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2380/6717/products/logo-01-black-tee_1224x.png)
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on January 07, 2022, 01:45:43 PM
All these guys really skimp on the graphic design investment don't they?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 07, 2022, 01:50:05 PM
Kur or Oso and Dunkin' Donuts are perfect matches. Or maybe an app for call blocking for Kur?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2022, 02:05:42 PM
Office Max on line 1.

That could be a prosper-ous relationship
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: The Lens on January 07, 2022, 02:34:40 PM
The trend lately was better to play your last year or two of college in the G League / Europe to make some cash off your talents in your prime.  I wonder if we'll see more retention of players of they can scrounge up 250K of endorsements.  Of course the headache of school still applies. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on January 07, 2022, 02:43:56 PM
Kur or Oso and Dunkin' Donuts are perfect matches.

Based on recent games, Kur might miss the cup o' coffee with the donut.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2022, 02:47:05 PM
Based on recent games, Kur might miss the cup o' coffee with the donut.

Hah  But coffee WILL be everywhere, regardless.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2022, 02:55:05 PM
A butcher shop with 'Kur-ed' meats.

Stevie could partner with the airport.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on January 07, 2022, 02:59:15 PM
Any butchers, bakers, or candle stores giving NIL money to Brent?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2022, 03:12:27 PM
Any butchers, bakers, or candle stores giving NIL money to Brent?

I heard Tommee Tippee was working out a deal because you can knock over the bottle and they stand right back up.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: #Unleash? on January 07, 2022, 03:33:50 PM
Ohhhh scoop
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 07, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Ighodaro can basically rep any restaurant. Try our new *insert food here*. It's Oso good!

https://www.osobrewing.com/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 07, 2022, 05:15:21 PM
All these guys really skimp on the graphic design investment don't they?

The implication being that they don't just ask their friends to do it... like every single one of us would have done while in school.   ;D
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 04:50:31 PM
Mock Draft as of 02/11/2022
2022
None
2023
None

Other Notables
2023
46. Dawson Garcia

Courtesy of NBAdraft.net
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022


Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 16, 2022, 08:41:20 PM
As oppposed to the bold new look of Theo John.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2380/6717/products/logo-01-black-tee_1224x.png)
Did he use Tiger Woods' design team?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jfp61 on February 16, 2022, 09:05:56 PM
Mock Draft as of 02/11/2022
2022
None
2023
None

Other Notables
2023
46. Dawson Garcia

Courtesy of NBAdraft.net
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022

That draft sucks. If Brady Manek gets drafted that GM will be fired on the spot.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on February 16, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
That draft sucks. If Brady Manek gets drafted that GM will be fired on the spot.

He’s a poor man’s Ryan Kelly from Duke who was a bum in the NBA and now is having success with Davante in Japan. Manek will do very well for himself in Eastern Europe
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: zcg2013 on February 17, 2022, 09:19:46 AM
The Athletic released a new mock draft today and Justin Lewis is going 29 overall in it.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on February 17, 2022, 10:06:07 AM
not sure if this was posted anywhere, but dawson is away for the remainder of the season due to multiple family medical issues; the loss of some, almost losing his dad and his grandma is in ICU.  what a prominant display of his true character and loyalties-family-wishing the guy well and Godspeed to his family and resuming his athletic and academic endeavors
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: tower912 on February 17, 2022, 10:09:20 AM
Mentioned elsewhere.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on March 22, 2022, 08:10:32 PM
NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/22/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on March 22, 2022, 08:14:16 PM
NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/22/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
dumb
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/30/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on March 31, 2022, 01:04:53 PM
NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 03/30/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
46. Dawson Garcia

That may be the single worst site for mock NBA drafts. I'm too lazy to look up the result on a legitimate site.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on April 11, 2022, 11:27:20 AM
NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 04/07/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
45. Dawson Garcia
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on April 11, 2022, 11:28:33 AM
NBADraft.net Mock Draft as of 04/07/22
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/?year-mock=2022
Marquette Players
2022
None
2023
None
Former Marquette Players
2023
45. Dawson Garcia

That they still are rating Garcia this way takes all credibility away from this source.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on June 20, 2022, 10:13:12 AM
NBA Mock Draft as of June 20,2022

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Marquette Players
2022
52. Justin Lewis
2023
None

Former Marquette Players
2023
40. Dawson Garcia
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: cheebs09 on June 20, 2022, 10:21:27 AM
I can’t imagine anyone is reasonably projecting Garcia to get drafted. I feel like the last two years have caused his stock to tank.

Also, 52 seems really low for Lewis. I’d be a little surprised if he lasted into the 40s.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jfp61 on June 20, 2022, 10:53:37 AM
NBA Mock Draft as of June 20,2022

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Marquette Players
2022
52. Justin Lewis
2023
None

Former Marquette Players
2023
40. Dawson Garcia

Looked at the list of 2023 second rounders on that website.

The bulk of them wont get drafted. A bunch of centers no one would want. Guys that cant defend. Randomly putting in emoni bates.

Nba teams are just going to find draft and stash Euro guys instead.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2022, 09:40:21 AM
NBA Mock Draft as of June 23, 2022
Final before draft
Marquette Players
2022
40. Justin Lewis
2023
None

Other Big East
2022
56. Julian Champagnie
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Pakuni on June 23, 2022, 11:49:15 AM
John Hollinger's final mock for The Athletic has Justin going #27 to the Heat.
I mean, they've done well with MU players, so why not.

27. Miami Heat
Justin Lewis | 6-6 sophomore | SF | Marquette
While I don’t expect the Heat to move this pick, it could end up in play in scenarios where Miami moves Duncan Robinson and multiple picks for a difference-maker. Miami can also trade its firsts in 2023 and 2027 as part of a package.
Without a player worthy of said package being available, the Heat probably go best player available and grab a big, strong wing they can groom as another switchable forward who can make an open shot. That’s the idea anyway; it’s pick 27, so who knows how it turns out.