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Title: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on July 22, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
2020 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19

47. Markus Howard

https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft

Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jay Bee on July 23, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
2019 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19

I’m thinking this isn’t a 2019
mock draft..
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on July 23, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
I’m thinking this isn’t a 2019
mock draft..
Wow I was having a bad day yesterday. Correction noted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on July 23, 2019, 10:50:00 AM
Obviously there is no correlation beyond dna but you have to think the performance of Markus’s brother in the NBA summer league may just boost the prospects of NBA GMs to give Markus a shot
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2019, 07:40:03 PM
2020 NBA Mock Draft as of December 6,2019
44. Markus Howard


https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 06, 2019, 09:42:59 PM
They haven't figured out yet that Cole Anthony is on UNC!?!
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
Obviously there is no correlation beyond dna but you have to think the performance of Markus’s brother in the NBA summer league may just boost the prospects of NBA GMs to give Markus a shot

His shooting ability boosts his prospects.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: GB Warrior on December 07, 2019, 01:16:28 AM
His shooting ability boosts his prospects.

I mean sure the guy is elite at basketball, but that's surely not the only reason he'll get drafted.

Honestly, he's going to get drafted, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flier earlier than you'd think. He has an elite skill, and that's worth a chance that there's some untapped potential there once he's around NBA caliber players

I don't think there is - I think he'll be a niche player that carves out a nice career in that niche - but the talent pool is so shallow in the draft that teams will shoot their shot at the faintest hint of untapped upside
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: #UnleashJayce on December 07, 2019, 08:09:42 AM
I mean sure the guy is elite at basketball, but that's surely not the only reason he'll get drafted.

Honestly, he's going to get drafted, and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flier earlier than you'd think. He has an elite skill, and that's worth a chance that there's some untapped potential there once he's around NBA caliber players

I don't think there is - I think he'll be a niche player that carves out a nice career in that niche - but the talent pool is so shallow in the draft that teams will shoot their shot at the faintest hint of untapped upside

In the exact opposite camp. His shooting skill is not something that's unheard of in the NBA. He's undersized severely in the college game. When the shooting guards are all 6'6 its going to be very rough for him.

He gets drafted in the mid 50s or gets a summer invite.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 07, 2019, 10:09:20 AM
goats don't look good wit Spalding plastered on his coconut. Wishin' 'im well, hey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on December 12, 2019, 01:38:54 PM
2020 Mock Draft as of 12/12/19
38. Markus Howard

I believe this is the highest Markus has been in this Mock Draft.

Notables:
44. Tre Jones
51. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 12, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
In the exact opposite camp. His shooting skill is not something that's unheard of in the NBA. He's undersized severely in the college game. When the shooting guards are all 6'6 its going to be very rough for him.

He gets drafted in the mid 50s or gets a summer invite.

IDK when he'll get drafted but what you said in spades.  Markus struggles against rangy, tall, quick defenders.  The NBA has too many to count.  Now he will get the benefit of being a guy any GM will know will happily fill his 11th-12th man role without so much as a peep and will work his tail off every day to contribute in any way the coach sees fit.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league.  I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: fjm on December 12, 2019, 04:09:44 PM
Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league.  I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.

Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?

There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Coleman on December 12, 2019, 04:09:58 PM
Mid 2nd round.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Coleman on December 12, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
Random question, has a college POY ever gone undrafted?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2019, 04:23:25 PM
Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?

There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.

You must not watch the NBA.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 12, 2019, 04:27:34 PM
Glue guy.... NBA. Same sentence?

There are like 12 people who play D in the NBA anymore.

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.

#watchesthebucksnever   ::)
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 12, 2019, 04:30:22 PM
Maybe, maybe not.
Any kid with MH’s resume wants to play in the NBA and get paid. Does that mean he will gladly play the 12th man role of scout team, and taking charges, and diving for loose balls? Never complain about not playing? Maybe.
Maybe he would then prefer to play overseas to show off his talents.
But, let’s not pretend he is some glue guy who will do anything and everything to satisfy an NBA coach.
I believe he will get a shot at the league.  I believe he will make a team roster and then kick around the league for a few years. Then, time to make a decision.
I am thankful to be able to watch his senior season.

I agree that he might prefer to play in Europe.  I think you and I agree that his top end in the NBA is as a bench specialist.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on December 12, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
Random question, has a college POY ever gone undrafted?

Not a Naismith winner, and the broad majority have been first round picks. That said, both Frank Mason & Jalen Brunson were recent winners & went early in the second.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2019, 04:39:22 PM

MarKus can get open and get up a 3, he will be fine if he makes the league.
What does this mean...he will be FINE if he makes the league?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 12, 2019, 05:07:27 PM
You must not watch the NBA.

i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on December 12, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.

I'm going to agree with wades and say you also must not watch the NBA.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2019, 05:51:58 PM
i think the "D" is tighter in college than the nba from the 3 pt line.

Lol
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: fjm on December 12, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
I watch only the bucks. They play D. I guess.

The rest of the league. I’m unimpressed.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MuMark on December 12, 2019, 06:47:53 PM
To say " The Bucks play defense .....I guess" is so under rating the Bucks that it's almost laughable.

When you are playing defense against the skill and athleticism of NBA players you can do everything right and guys will still score a high percentage of the time.

Anybody who thinks the defense in college is better then the NBA is out of their friggin mind.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Strokin 3s on December 12, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
#watchesthebucksnever   ::)

Ok, so the Bucks on D but flip the argument around. How many times does Giannis suck every single player on the other team into the lane and every single other Buck is wide open on the perimeter.  I can see both sides of it. Certainly I agree defenders are much better and way longer in the NBA but Markus as a stand still spot up shooter would be deadly.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2019, 07:46:56 PM
To say " The Bucks play defense .....I guess" is so under rating the Bucks that it's almost laughable.

When you are playing defense against the skill and athleticism of NBA players you can do everything right and guys will still score a high percentage of the time.

Anybody who thinks the defense in college is better then the NBA is out of their friggin mind.

Yup.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: BallBoy on December 12, 2019, 08:45:36 PM
2020 Mock Draft as of 7/17/19

47. Markus Howard

https://www.nbadraft.net/2020mock_draft

I think Markus is great but he will go undrafted. I would be surprised if he is on an roster during the season and will likely play in Europe.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 12, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
For better or worse....I think we will see more Rowsey like deeeeep 3s to give scouts something more to think about.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2019, 10:33:28 PM
The rest of the league. I’m unimpressed.

How do you know if you hardly ever watch NBA basketball?

But back on topic ...

An NBA team might be interested in a guy who can spread the court as a spot-up 3 shooter. Markus is only 2 inches shorter than the rail-thin Davante Graham, who is surprisingly lighting it up for the Hornets this season. Could be Craig Hodges 2.0.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: DoctorV on December 12, 2019, 10:49:39 PM
I think Markus is great but he will go undrafted. I would be surprised if he is on an roster during the season and will likely play in Europe.

He will get drafted and will be in the NBA next season
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on December 13, 2019, 12:37:41 AM
Only first team all American to go undrafted was Novas Scottie Reynolds
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Bad_Reporter on December 13, 2019, 01:12:40 AM
I see this as a Tim Tebow situation.  Great college player and that’s where it ends. 

Although, I think Tebow was a winner.  He did well with the Broncos.

Not saying Markus isn’t a winner, but we’ve seen the evidence time and time again.  Put a 6’3 guard or taller on Markus and he’s just not as effective.

Hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2019, 09:08:45 AM
I see this as a Tim Tebow situation.  Great college player and that’s where it ends. 

Although, I think Tebow was a winner.  He did well with the Broncos.

Not saying Markus isn’t a winner, but we’ve seen the evidence time and time again.  Put a 6’3 guard or taller on Markus and he’s just not as effective.

Hope I’m wrong

Tebow lucked into a few wins with the Broncos. Elway was so impressed that he couldn't wait to get rid of him. And other NFL GMs/coaches were so impressed that Tebow was out of the league shortly thereafter. Great college QB, though.

USC, Davidson, K-State (last season) and Buffalo -- among others -- all put taller, athletic guards on Markus.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Coleman on December 13, 2019, 09:25:40 AM
For better or worse....I think we will see more Rowsey like deeeeep 3s to give scouts something more to think about.

That's fine if he is open and he makes > 40% of them.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: source? on December 13, 2019, 10:35:38 AM
How do you know if you hardly ever watch NBA basketball?

But back on topic ...

An NBA team might be interested in a guy who can spread the court as a spot-up 3 shooter. Markus is only 2 inches shorter than the rail-thin Davante Graham, who is surprisingly lighting it up for the Hornets this season. Could be Craig Hodges 2.0.

I see no conflict between the following two statements:

The only team I watch is the Bucks and they play good defense.

82 games a year I watch other teams attempt to play defense against Giannis and the Bucks and look terrible. Therefore, all other teams I've seen play poor defense.

Not saying it is accurate, but if the first statement is true then it could lead to a reasonable belief in the second.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2019, 11:56:30 AM
I see no conflict between the following two statements:

The only team I watch is the Bucks and they play good defense.

82 games a year I watch other teams attempt to play defense against Giannis and the Bucks and look terrible. Therefore, all other teams I've seen play poor defense.

Not saying it is accurate, but if the first statement is true then it could lead to a reasonable belief in the second.

Fair.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: hdog1017 on December 13, 2019, 02:02:37 PM
Somebody will draft Howard in the 2nd round. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 13, 2019, 04:14:11 PM
Somebody will draft Howard in the 2nd round.

I agree.  Great character, and an elite shooting skill.  If he's 6'3" he's a lottery pick.  I'd personally like to see him land with the Bucks - think he'd thrive in their offense with all the focus on Giannis and their floor spacing with great shooters around the floor.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 13, 2019, 05:08:41 PM
I'm going to agree with wades and say you also must not watch the NBA.

  i do watch quite a bit of nba.  more than you guys?  who knows.  college focuses A LOT more on defense than the nba, right?  we just had quite a few posts with people chuckling when defense and nba are mentioned in the same sentence?  so if we agree that the defenses are tighter in college than the nba, how can you come to the conclusion that the 3 is guarded more closely in nba than college?  if that is your stance, then what? the nba does play defense but focuses more on the 3 than down low?  or do they play defense out high and down low?  wait, but the nba and defense are oxymorons.   yes the nba has better shooters, but ya can't have it both ways
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2019, 07:54:30 PM
Put it this way.  If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.

And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.

Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy.  You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that.  The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd.  Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.

Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court.  But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 13, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Put it this way.  If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.

And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.

Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy.  You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that.  The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd.  Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.

Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court.  But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?

  fine, but we are talking college vs college and nba vs nba.   not nba vs college.  i am saying college players vs college players-period.  the defense in the college game is as important as the offensive game.  maybe more.  we just got done laughing about nba defense.  of course the skill set of the "average" nba player is probably better than some of the "best" college players.   ya gotta stay in the same lane here wades. 

  i'm just saying, the pressure from end to end, mano a mano, full court press, balls out basketball is in college.  ya snooze ya lose, ya miss an assignment(except if you're jh) you're riding the pines. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2019, 09:07:42 PM
  fine, but we are talking college vs college and nba vs nba.   not nba vs college.  i am saying college players vs college players-period.  the defense in the college game is as important as the offensive game.  maybe more.  we just got done laughing about nba defense.  of course the skill set of the "average" nba player is probably better than some of the "best" college players.   ya gotta stay in the same lane here wades. 

  i'm just saying, the pressure from end to end, mano a mano, full court press, balls out basketball is in college.  ya snooze ya lose, ya miss an assignment(except if you're jh) you're riding the pines.

Yeah. NBA teams don’t go balls to the walls press all game because pros can actually handle the basketball. If NBA teams did that they’d give up 200 points per game. Not because of lack of effort. But because NBA players are incredibly gifted.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: THRILLHO on December 13, 2019, 09:57:31 PM
  i do watch quite a bit of nba.  more than you guys?  who knows.  college focuses A LOT more on defense than the nba, right? 

No.


Quote
we just had quite a few posts with people chuckling when defense and nba are mentioned in the same sentence?  so if we agree that the defenses are tighter in college than the nba,

We don't.


Quote

 how can you come to the conclusion that the 3 is guarded more closely in nba than college?  if that is your stance, then what? the nba does play defense but focuses more on the 3 than down low?  or do they play defense out high and down low?  wait, but the nba and defense are oxymorons.   yes the nba has better shooters, but ya can't have it both ways

This is word salad that is impossible to comprehend and therefore argue with.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: AZMarqfan on December 13, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
So has anyone stood next to him?  Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on December 13, 2019, 10:05:33 PM
So has anyone stood next to him?  Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
I've stood directly next to him in a class I had with him a few years ago. I was recently measured at 5'9" without shoes. Markus was about an inch taller than me or so. Hes 5'10"-5'10.5" max.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: WarriorFan on December 13, 2019, 10:09:44 PM
Put it this way.  If you took an "average" defensive player from the NBA and had him play his "average" defense (same effort level, same footwork, same everything he gives in your "average" mid December NBA game) on the best offensive player in college basketball (Markus?) the NBA defender absolutely shuts down the best college offensive player.

And put the absolute best college defender into your "average" mid December NBA game and he gets absolutely abused on the defensive side of the ball by just about anybody he tries to guard.

Honestly the whole "NBA players don't play defense/try on defense" is so lazy.  You simply aren't watching if you truly believe that.  The physicality, speed of the game, and shot making ability in the NBA is absolutely absurd.  Just because, unlike the college game, NBA players can handle the ball without turning it over and make open and oftentimes contested shots doesn't mean that the defense is bad.

Yes, there are players like James Harden who use that side of the ball to refuel so he can flop his way to the free throw line on the other side of the court.  But how is that any different than a guy like Andrew Rowsey?

This

This is the reality.  Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense.  They are already elite offensively.  Every single one, given the role, given the touches, can light it up. 

How does Markus fit?  The best comps are Nate Robinson and JJ Barea, but they are (IMHO) both MUCH better overall players than Markus.  Nate was a first rounder and Barea was undrafted.  For guys this size, regardless of scoring ability, how they are drafted is really a crap-shoot.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 13, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
Yeah. NBA teams don’t go balls to the walls press all game because pros can actually handle the basketball. If NBA teams did that they’d give up 200 points per game. Not because of lack of effort. But because NBA players are incredibly gifted.

  yes they are incredibly gifted-that's why they are pros!  also, they play an 82 + game schedule.  the smart ones are in incredible shape, but know when to take their foot off the gas too.  sometimes the pros don't have to go balls to the wall and that's ok.  college?  ya only get one chance to make a first impression
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 13, 2019, 10:50:18 PM
  WF-

   " Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense"

 i don't even know where to begin to argue that one.  let's just start and end with nearly all the nba players are there because they can play.  most play decent defense, but that's like saying most baseball players can catch the ball.  but "elite" ?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2019, 02:07:48 AM
Nearly all NBA players are there because they can play elite defense. 

HAHAHAHA
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on December 14, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
So has anyone stood next to him?  Since he’s listed at 5’11”, I’ve always assumed he was more like 5’9”.
MH is definitely closer to 5’9” than 5’11”.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: #UnleashJayce on December 14, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
MH is definitely closer to 5’9” than 5’11”.

I'm 5'9 and am taller then Howard. He may be around 5'8 and a half at most.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: jsglow on December 14, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
Rowsey was like 5'8". Agree that M2N isn't 5'11".
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2019, 11:59:18 AM
I've stood directly next to him in a class I had with him a few years ago. I was recently measured at 5'9" without shoes. Markus was about an inch taller than me or so. Hes 5'10"-5'10.5" max.

I'm 5'9 and am taller then Howard. He may be around 5'8 and a half at most.

So does this mean Howard is shrinking? Two guys the same height stood next to him and he was taller than one and shorter than the other?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: wadesworld on December 14, 2019, 12:43:34 PM
Yeah he was at least as tall as my 5’10” self.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2019, 03:01:56 PM
I see Markus on TV all the time, and he's only about a foot tall on the screen.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 09:14:57 PM
Latest Mock Draft 1/10/2020

36. Markus Howard

Others of Note
49. Cassius Winston
56. Myles Powell
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on January 12, 2020, 09:25:12 PM
Why is cash of note?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 09:37:49 PM
Why is cash of note?
No particular reason other than a preseason Player of the year candidate. PG . etc. Just a reference point
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: lawdog77 on January 13, 2020, 06:45:29 AM
I see Markus on TV all the time, and he's only about a foot tall on the screen.
you need a bigger TV. Unfortunately, with my black and white TV with rabbit ears, I dont get the game, so I have to listen to it on the radio. On the radio, he sounds like a Greek God.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
As of 2/18/2020
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

42. Markus Howard

Other Notables
52. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Jockey on February 24, 2020, 06:56:01 PM
So does this mean Howard is shrinking? Two guys the same height stood next to him and he was taller than one and shorter than the other?

They were mountain climbing together. Markus was the guy in the middle.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2020, 07:03:55 PM
As of 2/18/2020
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

42. Markus Howard

Other Notables
52. Cassius Winston
58. Myles Powell

I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.
Ty-Shon is ranked 79th on the nbadraft.net big board.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on February 24, 2020, 08:52:43 PM
I would take Ty-Shon Alexander over numerous bigger-hyped guards on that list.

I think he has the same problem Vander did. Very good, but a little undersized for the 2.  He’s really solid all around, but not a lights out shooter or unstoppable scorer. If he was 6’6-6’7 he’d be an easy first round pick I think. Howard is clearly projected to be drafted due to being an unreal/elite shooter, but I don’t think Alexander is viewed as being “elite” at anything for the next level.

That being said, he’s absolutely my pick for BE POY if not Markus
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2020, 08:54:02 PM
Ty-Shon is ranked 79th on the nbadraft.net big board.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/

I think they have under-ranked him, perhaps significantly so.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on April 30, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
NBA Draft.net position

50. Markus Howard

Other Notables:

Myles Powell fell off the board.

Ty Shon Alexander not on board .
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 30, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
Nothing other than gut feeling, but I feel like someone will take Markus well before the very end of the draft. He’s a guy that fits a niche, has age and maturity on his side, and is by all accounts (well, I guess there’s one) a fantastic kid. Someone with several pick that needs a shooter will reach.

Markus isn’t the type of guy you bet against. Hot take - early 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: franklinjerry on April 30, 2020, 08:31:55 PM
Why not a flyer on Miles Powell?
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: JWags85 on April 30, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Why not a flyer on Miles Powell?

Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?

Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better.  Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.

I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: We R Final Four on April 30, 2020, 09:44:40 PM
Nothing other than gut feeling, but I feel like someone will take Markus well before the very end of the draft. He’s a guy that fits a niche, has age and maturity on his side, and is by all accounts (well, I guess there’s one) a fantastic kid. Someone with several pick that needs a shooter will reach.

Markus isn’t the type of guy you bet against. Hot take - early 2nd rounder.
Yes—having been thinking of #50 since I saw it. Some GM will grab him....agree early to mid 2nd round.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Golden Avalanche on April 30, 2020, 10:12:25 PM
Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?

Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better.  Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.

I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist

Holy $hit this is tremendous. Spot on. 
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: MU82 on April 30, 2020, 11:15:11 PM
Cause he’s a 6’1 volume scoring SG who doesn’t shoot particularly well and is an average ball handler?

Markus’s accolades were backed up by unreal stats, both raw and advanced numbers, regardless of team success. Stuff that is a product of stuff that translates into very real skills at the next level (creating space, quick release, high arc). Powell’s buzz and accolades were based on “intangibles” that are debatable at best and are fluff when projecting someone at the next level. People talking about his NBA projections remind me of when Tebow was drafted. Ignoring his lack of accuracy or throwing skills and saying he was a “winner”, he just “wanted it more than anyone else” and had a “will to win”, always making his team better.  Unfortunately, almost everyone at a high level can have that said about them.

I’m sure someone takes a chance on him in the late 50s, or a UDFA 2 way G League deal, but I’m not sure what from this past year, especially down the stretch, makes an NBA scout pick him over a young raw project or a better specialist

Great stuff, Wags.

I would take Alexander over Powell in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Johnny B on May 01, 2020, 12:21:10 AM
Powell could be the next scottie Reynolds. That being said id be surprised if he doesnt play at least 100 min of nba ball
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: GoldenEagles32 on May 24, 2020, 01:24:26 AM
I know it's SUPER early, but most mock drafts ive seen have Carton in the 25-40 range, only one mock ive seen with dawson in it going late second round
Title: Re: MU Mock Draft Prospects
Post by: Herman Cain on May 24, 2020, 07:11:46 AM
NBAdraft.net as of May 15

2020
50. Markus Howard
2021
19. DJ Carton