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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: HouWarrior on July 16, 2019, 06:15:56 PM
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With the upcoming 50 year anniversary of the moon landing...there is some traction for some who believe the conspiracy theory that NASA never went to the moon and the whole moonscape/ landing was staged video at a secret govt facility.
Personally, I enjoy the JFK assassination conspiracy,....so many motives, so many suspects, so many odd unexplained tidbits.....every time I learn a new point I reprocess against the rest I have learned....and of course such simply raises more questions. I hope its never solved as its been an entertaining who dun it for decades.
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm
There are many more...which do you:
believe
/suspect somethings there
/dismiss?
1. Moon landing was faked
2. People conspired to kill JFK
3. 9/11 was a false flag staged event
4. UFOs and ETs are real and the truth of encounters/contacts is suppressed
5 Philadelphia experiment ---we time traveled
6. Pearl Harbor was known by FDR and allowed to occur
7. Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag event to provide pretext for congress, resolut.
8.MLK assasination
9. RFK killing
10. Vatican: a) killing of John Paul 1; b) Vatican Bank Roberto Calvi hanging in London; c) attempt on Pope John Paul 2 was in retaliation for his backing of polish uprising, Lech Walensa, etc vs the communist rulers.
11. Jordan retired two years to mask secret suspension by Stern/NBA
12. July 7 2005 London bombings staged
13. Shakespeare was someone else
14. Princess Diana was killed by agents
15. Illuminati/New World Order/secret cabals control or will control world events
16. Hitler burned down the Riechstag as a black flag event
17. Atlantis
18. Bigfoot
19. Denver Airport
20 Great pyramids alien advanced technology
and
NCAA promised they would let Al McGuire win it all if he would just retire already
I am missing many more...which do you like, believe?...know any new info in support?
Please freely add conspiracies not named here,too
Also does it bother that its not solved or may never be?
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The NBA Draft lottery is rigged.
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Trump won the popular vote
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Number 11 is true.
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JFK
9/11 warnings were ignored
Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag
RFK
You forgot: flat Earth, vaccines
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Global Warming is man made.
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The Pentaverate
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Planned obsolescence
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JFK definitely. I don’t know if it was Mafia, the CIA, whoever but he was definitely not just killed by a disgruntled gunman.
UFOs/Aliens. For sure. Again, not sure to what extent or what’s been suppressed, but to think we’re the only intelligent life out there is wildly narrow sighted
The Jordan bit is entirely true. Just makes his legacy all the more incredible and fascinating
Not necessarily Bigfoot, but I believe in Loch Ness/undiscovered aquatic life.
Oh, and Princess Di. Don’t ever underestimate how ruthless the Crown is in protecting the Crown. I don’t know that it was an outright hit, but they had no love for Dodi Fayed and she was also an extreme liability with a huge following and platform
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Crean "fixed" da Kansas game just ta piss me off, hey?
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you forgot the biggie ....
AREA 51!!!
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and the other biggie (I'll express it as a question) ...
Why are conspiracy theories also referred to as "tin foil hats?"
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Number 11 is true.
So is number 16
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and the other biggie (I'll express it as a question) ...
Why are conspiracy theories also referred to as "tin foil hats?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat
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So while I think there is other intelligent life in the universe, I don’t think we have any evidence that it exists for a number of reasons.
First we are located in a pretty insignificant part of the galaxy. If the galaxy were the Milwaukee metropolitan area, we’d be located in a cornfield in Washington County somewhere.
Second we really have only had the ability and knowledge to possibly identify other intelligent life for about 100 years. That is such a small part of time given the age of the universe. It’s like defining your life by what occurs in any given second.
So even though logically it makes sense that life exists elsewhere, that doesn’t mean we have been visited or that lack of proof means anything.
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I can’t believe that otherwise intelligent people (as some Scoopers are) actually believe any of this.
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Paul McCartney is dead
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Paul McCartney is dead
2Pac is dead.
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I was flying in and out DIA a few months ago and the signs for their renovation projects make fun of the conspiracy theories surrounding the airport.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/09/05/denver-airport-conspiracy-signs/
I do believe the Jordan thing and that the 1985 NBA Draft Lottery was rigged. The rest, no.
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I believe there is something to the conspiracy of 2, 7, 11, and 16.
Aliens very well may exist but I highly doubt they've been here. My dad spent a lot of time TDY in the Nevada desert....they ain't there
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19. Denver Airport
Obviously a conspiracy to piss me off and make my life personably miserable. Not to mention a bail-out of Neal Bush, several savings and loan crooks from the 1980s and a chance to make Stapleton Airport the biggest real estate development in Colorado history.
God only knows how much I miss Stapleton!
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2. People conspired to kill JFK
4. UFOs and ETs are real and the truth of encounters/contacts is suppressed
5 Philadelphia experiment ---we time traveled
6. Pearl Harbor was known by FDR
8.MLK assasination
9. RFK killing
10. Vatican: a) killing of John Paul 1; b) Vatican Bank Roberto Calvi hanging in London; c) attempt on Pope John Paul 2 was in retaliation for his backing of polish uprising, Lech Walensa, etc vs the communist rulers.
11. Jordan retired two years to mask secret suspension by Stern/NBA
13. Shakespeare was someone else
16. Hitler burned down the Riechstag as a black flag event
19. Denver Airport
20 Great pyramids alien advanced technology
I left the ones that are "plausible" and not instantly asinine.
Also left 20 cause Daniel Jackson is a boss.
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Trump won the popular vote
Oooof that's actually a good one.
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Obviously a conspiracy to piss me off and make my life personably miserable. Not to mention a bail-out of Neal Bush, several savings and loan crooks from the 1980s and a chance to make Stapleton Airport the biggest real estate development in Colorado history.
God only knows how much I miss Stapleton!
I flown in/out of DEN too many times to remember, and I’ve never heard of any conspiracy theories until now.
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With the upcoming 50 year anniversary of the moon landing...there is some traction for some who believe the conspiracy theory that NASA never went to the moon and the whole moonscape/ landing was staged video at a secret govt facility.
The best argument I've ever heard (and that I now repeat, especially with my students) is that if there was any chance the moon landing was faked the Russians would have "called BS". If the Russians, who had everything to gain from revealing our fake moon landing, stayed silent, you can bet they knew we actually did it.
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MH370 went Dharma
New Coke
Seth Rich
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The Pentaverate
https://youtu.be/YKRFlNryaWw
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Kenya born
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The Holocaust didn't happen.
The Sandy Hook massacre didn't actually happen.
A child sex ring was being run inside a DC pizza parlor.
Just good clean conspiracy-theory fun ... until some whack job went to shoot up the pizza parlor.
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Avril Lavigne is dead
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The Holocaust didn't happen.
The Sandy Hook massacre didn't actually happen.
A child sex ring was being run inside a DC pizza parlor.
Just good clean conspiracy-theory fun ... until some whack job went to shoot up the pizza parlor.
Turns out it was Jeffrey Epstein's house.
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A fascinating set of podcasts and articles about the origins and subsequent arc of the Seth Rich conspiracy theory.
Shoot, I remember when a poster here was pushing the theory that Martial law was about to be declared at a Wal Mart in Texas.
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Obama was a Muslim
Obama wasn't born in the US
::)
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13. Shakespeare - I've read more on that lately and there seems to be thought that there may have been a "team of writers" or at least Shakespeare had lots of input from certain people and it included a woman.
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Obama was a Muslim
Obama wasn't born in the US
::)
Don’t make fun of rocket surgeon. What did he ever do to you
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I just saw an article this morning titled "Russian Intelligence Agency planted the Conspiracy theory about Seth Rich".
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I just saw an article this morning titled "Russian Intelligence Agency planted the Conspiracy theory about Seth Rich".
Any human with a working brain knew it was a hoax - we just didn’t know where it originated until that news came out.
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Russian Collusion
Smollett Story
9/11 inside job
Kentucky high school kids in DC attack Native American
17 year old with clean record ran gang rape operation 30+ years ago and suddenly remembered at confirmation hearing
Hoaxes aplenty
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I know squirmy things about the Marquette basketball coach.
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Russian Collusion
Smollett Story
9/11 inside job
Kentucky high school kids in DC attack Native American
17 year old with clean record ran gang rape operation 30+ years ago and suddenly remembered at confirmation hearing
Hoaxes aplenty
Stand up for your white boys. Who woulda thunk it?
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Stand up for your white boys. Who woulda thunk it?
Playing the race card at every turn, who woulda thunk it. I prefer to stand up for those wrongly accused like these hoaxes did. How's Canada? Why didn't you go to Mexico or fly the Mexico flag.....<Pretending to be Jockey>I guess you like being with white people. </no longer pretending to be Jockey>
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I left the ones that are "plausible" and not instantly asinine.
Also left 20 cause Daniel Jackson is a boss.
So you can wrap your head around the assassinations of 3 extremely prominent and "dangerous" American political figures for what they threatened to the status quo, can buy a Vatican conspiracy involving attempts on the life of sitting Popes with varying success, but Princess Di being potentially assassinated is asinine? Not trying to pick on you, just curious.
I dont disagree with much of your list, I just find it intriguing. Ive read a decent amount on the events and sentiment surrounding her death and its very interesting
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Don’t make fun of rocket surgeon. What did he ever do to you
i am not b. hussein obama
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This thread was fun for a page and a half.
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I don't recall those who stand up for the falsely accused standing up for the Central Park 5.
Talk about a conspiracy perpetrated by White America.
Some even wanted them put to death before their trial ... and again after they were completely exonerated.
But you know ... the white man just can't catch a break in America. It's been that way for centuries now.
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- Buzz kept Todd Mayo here despite him not meeting academic requirements due to a promise to his mother.
- Marquette boosters paid the Hausers to transfer to anywhere but Wisconsin.
- [Insert Player Name Here] gave a silent verbal to UW-Madison.
- Tom Crean left because Illinois boosters steered Iman Shumpert to Georgia Tech.
- Marquette refused a Coal Lodge-style dorm where a booster offered to cover the costs of both the land and facility.
Marquette Tom Izzo paid Branden Dawsen for his commitment and is one of the dirtiest coaches no one ever talks about being dirty.
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Cal Ripken's streak would've been broken in 1997 because he spent the morning beating up Kevin Costner, (who was banging his wife), but the Orioles faked a "electrical failure" at Camden Yards.
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I also, last week, heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard Ron Coomer, (drunkenly talking at his bar in Lockport), that the reason Ben Zobrist hasn't returned to the Cubs is because a current player was sleeping with Zobrist's wife.
This theory evolved into Mike Montgomery being the offender, and Monty's trade ushering in Zobrist's forthcoming return to the team.
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I also, last week, heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard Ron Coomer, (drunkenly talking at his bar in Lockport), that the reason Ben Zobrist hasn't returned to the Cubs is because a current player was sleeping with Zobrist's wife.
This theory evolved into Mike Montgomery being the offender, and Monty's trade ushering in Zobrist's forthcoming return to the team.
I believe the 1st part is absolutely true. Rumors I've heard were that it was Russell. Monty requested a trade early last season, and did the same this season.
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I also, last week, heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard Ron Coomer, (drunkenly talking at his bar in Lockport), that the reason Ben Zobrist hasn't returned to the Cubs is because a current player was sleeping with Zobrist's wife.
This theory evolved into Mike Montgomery being the offender, and Monty's trade ushering in Zobrist's forthcoming return to the team.
Infidelity breaking up the Zobrist marriage was pretty obvious. It being a current player I remember rumbling around pretty quick after. Far stranger things have happened.
Russell felt like it was just an easy jump cause he's a scumbag.
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The Patrick Sharp sleeping with Duncan Keith's wife rumour
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I also, last week, heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard Ron Coomer, (drunkenly talking at his bar in Lockport), that the reason Ben Zobrist hasn't returned to the Cubs is because a current player was sleeping with Zobrist's wife.
This theory evolved into Mike Montgomery being the offender, and Monty's trade ushering in Zobrist's forthcoming return to the team.
Couldn’t have Ron Coomer. He would have called him Benny- not Ben. Cub games are unlistenable when Lester pitches. Every other statement out of Coomer’s mouth is “Jonny this” or Jonny that”. If Lester goes 6, the word “Jonny” will be uttered dozens of times.
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The Patrick Sharp sleeping with _______ __________'s wife/girlfriend/weather woman rumour
FIFY
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I would like to point out that there is a difference between a conspiracy theory and a rumor -- and a lot of these are just rumors.
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I would like to point out that there is a difference between a conspiracy theory and a rumor -- and a lot of these are just rumors.
Yup.
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So while I think there is other intelligent life in the universe, I don’t think we have any evidence that it exists for a number of reasons.
First we are located in a pretty insignificant part of the galaxy. If the galaxy were the Milwaukee metropolitan area, we’d be located in a cornfield in Washington County somewhere.
Second we really have only had the ability and knowledge to possibly identify other intelligent life for about 100 years. That is such a small part of time given the age of the universe. It’s like defining your life by what occurs in any given second.
So even though logically it makes sense that life exists elsewhere, that doesn’t mean we have been visited or that lack of proof means anything.
A fellow Marquette alum -- and classmate to many of us -- on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (and why it hasn't contacted us).
A fellow Marquette alum (and classmate of many of us) on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNGUkdovn_8).
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I flown in/out of DEN too many times to remember, and I’ve never heard of any conspiracy theories until now.
Umm, think about it. The basic theories behind the DIA Conspiracy are as follows:
1) The RTC needed a bail-out plan for the bad loans acquired from Silverado Savings (aka, Bush Family Savings)
2) Denver hadn't had a big land rush in a long time and the closing of Stapleton created two huge opportunities.
3) Eastern Kansas needed new residents -- and since the airport is the Kansas Worldport, well....
4) Someone in Denver hates me and thought it would be a great practical joke to open an airport in Kansas so I would have to leave downtown Denver six hours before flight time to make my flight.
5) United Airlines wanted a shiny new terminal to go with its shiny new planes.
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Well actually the conspiracies at DIA have to do with new world order, real tinfoil hat type stuff.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denver_Airport_conspiracy_theories
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Cal Ripken's streak would've been broken in 1997 because he spent the morning beating up Kevin Costner, (who was banging his wife), but the Orioles faked a "electrical failure" at Camden Yards.
I'd believe that theory more if the "incident" had taken place before Ripken, Jr. had broken Gehrig's record. That said, there is the conspiracy theory that Cal was a major scumbag and had women in many different cities, but the media kept quiet because he was Baltimore and they'd lose access if it was ever disclosed.
Very similar to the Seattle media protecting Russel Wilson's wild lifestyle after his "born again virgin" announcement.
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So you can wrap your head around the assassinations of 3 extremely prominent and "dangerous" American political figures for what they threatened to the status quo, can buy a Vatican conspiracy involving attempts on the life of sitting Popes with varying success, but Princess Di being potentially assassinated is asinine? Not trying to pick on you, just curious.
I dont disagree with much of your list, I just find it intriguing. Ive read a decent amount on the events and sentiment surrounding her death and its very interesting
Oops guess I deleted her on accident.
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I'd believe that theory more if the "incident" had taken place before Ripken, Jr. had broken Gehrig's record. That said, there is the conspiracy theory that Cal was a major scumbag and had women in many different cities, but the media kept quiet because he was Baltimore and they'd lose access if it was ever disclosed.
Very similar to the Seattle media protecting Russel Wilson's wild lifestyle after his "born again virgin" announcement.
And/or Wisconsin looking the other way on Favre
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Well actually the conspiracies at DIA have to do with new world order, real tinfoil hat type stuff.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denver_Airport_conspiracy_theories
No Brother Fluffy, it has to do with making my life miserable by locating an airport as far away from downtown Denver as humanly possible.
Kansas needed an economic shot in the arm.
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I'd believe that theory more if the "incident" had taken place before Ripken, Jr. had broken Gehrig's record. That said, there is the conspiracy theory that Cal was a major scumbag and had women in many different cities, but the media kept quiet because he was Baltimore and they'd lose access if it was ever disclosed.
Very similar to the Seattle media protecting Russel Wilson's wild lifestyle after his "born again virgin" announcement.
Same thing with the Chicago media and Michael Jordan.
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Buzz jumped to VT before he was pushed
And speaking of Aliens among us ... have you looked closely at Chris Outle?
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The best argument I've ever heard (and that I now repeat, especially with my students) is that if there was any chance the moon landing was faked the Russians would have "called BS". If the Russians, who had everything to gain from revealing our fake moon landing, stayed silent, you can bet they knew we actually did it.
With US hegemony comes first dibs on the fakery.
Remember, “the world is but a stage.”
Stanley Kubrick’s readaptation of Stephen King’s THE SHINING is seen by some, including the director’s own daughter, as an admission of his fakery at the behest of elites.
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I heard a theory that Chicos, Hoopaloop, and WarriorDad are not actually the same individual. Rather, Chicos was kidnapped by space aliens, they cloned him to create Hoopaloop and WarriorDad, with the goal of slowly taking over scoop.
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Well actually the conspiracies at DIA have to do with new world order, real tinfoil hat type stuff.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denver_Airport_conspiracy_theories
More distractions for mental midgets. The irony is that the perils of the NWO are beyond real.....aliens not so much. President GHW Bush is said to have referenced the NWO over 5,000 times during his Presidency. The Project for the New American Century, a cabal-like think tank not unlike the CFR and Trilateral Commision held meetings about a year from 9/11/01 which discussed “the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like event to galvanize public support” for war in the Middle East.
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More distractions for mental midgets. The irony is that the perils of the NWO are beyond real.....aliens not so much. President GHW Bush is said to have referenced the NWO over 5,000 times during his Presidency. The Project for the New American Century, a cabal-like think tank not unlike the CFR and Trilateral Commision held meetings about a year from 9/11/01 which discussed “the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like event to galvanize public support” for war in the Middle East.
The NWO is perilous and beyond real.
(http://www.pwpix.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/new-world-order-27695443-620x400.jpg)
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The NWO is perilous and beyond real.
(http://www.pwpix.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/new-world-order-27695443-620x400.jpg)
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
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The NWO is perilous and beyond real.
(http://www.pwpix.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/new-world-order-27695443-620x400.jpg)
That’s pretty good, I must say.
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The NWO is perilous and beyond real.
(http://www.pwpix.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/new-world-order-27695443-620x400.jpg)
Too sweet.
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We will know the truth about #4 when millions of people storm Area 51 on September 20th this year. ;D
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On Atlantis:
Ocean levels are believed to be higher now than they were at various points in human history. Islands, land bridges, and a lot of coastline are now believed to be underwater.
There are scientists currently looking for submerged human settlements along coastlines. They may not find "Atlantis" but the search for lost cities and human settlements is on going.
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I also, last week, heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard Ron Coomer, (drunkenly talking at his bar in Lockport), that the reason Ben Zobrist hasn't returned to the Cubs is because a current player was sleeping with Zobrist's wife.
This theory evolved into Mike Montgomery being the offender, and Monty's trade ushering in Zobrist's forthcoming return to the team.
Zorbist's wife lives in Nashville. She works in country music crowd where infidelity is the way to the next song. But she’s really doing it with the geeky pitcher with the young wife and infant???
4th hand story probably started with “remember Sandberg’s wife was shacking up with Palmiero?”
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I would like to point out that there is a difference between a conspiracy theory and a rumor -- and a lot of these are just rumors.
Sadly in 2019, this is a distinction without a difference.
There used to be an art to the creation of a conspiracy theory and an attempt to flesh it out. But now it's just a matter of "many people are saying........." and new "theories" are born every minute. Like suckers.
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Who knew that aliens/UFOs are partisan?
"STORM AREA 51"
Is The U.S. Government Hiding Something About UFOs?
Jul 17, 2019
https://www.statista.com/chart/18712/share-of-the-us-public-believing-the-government-has-ufo-information/
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_18712_share_of_the_us_public_believing_the_government_has_ufo_information_n.jpg)
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Interesting that the total percentage of respondents that answered "don't know" was higher than any individual percentage. Is that even possible?
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This conversation inspired me to watch the movie Capricorn One.
O.J. Simpson as an astronaut!
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Interesting that the total percentage of respondents that answered "don't know" was higher than any individual percentage. Is that even possible?
Of course. it’s the only correct answer. “Don’t know” should have bordered on 100%.
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In the old days there were lots of quality conspiracies. Today people are not intellectually skilled enough to pull them off as much.
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A fellow Marquette alum -- and classmate to many of us -- on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (and why it hasn't contacted us).
A fellow Marquette alum (and classmate of many of us) on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNGUkdovn_8).
Yep. Thanks very much for this.
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A fellow Marquette alum -- and classmate to many of us -- on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (and why it hasn't contacted us).
A fellow Marquette alum (and classmate of many of us) on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNGUkdovn_8).
Excellent
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Of course. it’s the only correct answer. “Don’t know” should have bordered on 100%.
No, what I mean is that 19% of the total respondents said "Don't know." However when broken down by demographic, Democrats & Republicans said "Don't know" at a rate of 15% each while Independents said "Don't know" at a rate of 18%. How do you get to a total of 19% when no individual group was over 19%. Mathematically I don't think that's possible.
In addition, "Don't know" is also the smallest percentage in each group. It might be the correct answer, but none of the demographic groups nor the country as a whole (according to this seemingly faulty survey) is willing to admit what they don't know.
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Who knew that aliens/UFOs are partisan?
"STORM AREA 51"
Is The U.S. Government Hiding Something About UFOs?
Jul 17, 2019
https://www.statista.com/chart/18712/share-of-the-us-public-believing-the-government-has-ufo-information/
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_18712_share_of_the_us_public_believing_the_government_has_ufo_information_n.jpg)
Sept. 20 is not going to end well.
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I tend not to believe conspiracies because people in general can't keep their mouth shut.
The one that is missing from the list that I hear all the time from various people is that we have discovered the cure for cancer but the pharmaceutical companies are keeping it from the public and are killing the doctors who try to make it public. It is a very popular conspiracy theory. In fact I am pretty sure Big Pharma threatened houwarrior to keep it off his list.
You'd have to be Snidley Whiplash twirling your moustache evil to keep a cure for cancer from getting out.
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A whole lot of these aren't conspiracy theories, including most of the ones mentioned in the last 3 pages.
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The U.S. government deliberately infected African Americans with AIDS.
I saw that pasted on a wall in Europe in 1984.
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A fellow Marquette alum -- and classmate to many of us -- on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (and why it hasn't contacted us).
A fellow Marquette alum (and classmate of many of us) on the question of whether intelligent life exists in the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNGUkdovn_8).
This was excellent. Thanks for posting it.
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Tiger is currently serving a two-month suspension from the PGA Tour.
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Jake Arrieta didn't juice.
No Cub has ever juiced. Or corked a bat.
Soccer is a sport.
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A whole lot of these aren't conspiracy theories, including most of the ones mentioned in the last 3 pages.
LOL....yes, please point out which ones are alarming to you that you feel don't fit the definition.
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Yep. Thanks very much for this.
Excellent
This was excellent. Thanks for posting it.
Peter was (and is) a great guy and very talented. I'd imagine several on this board know him. A couple years ago he made this spoken word piece into a book, which is available on his website (https://www.petermulvey.com/store#!/Books/c/22156011/offset=0&sort=normal). I don't own the book (but do own a number of his CDs and have seen him in concert). This is not a paid endorsement, but I do endorse him. Enthusiastically.
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LOL....yes, please point out which ones are alarming to you that you feel don't fit the definition.
I don’t know... maybe anything that doesn’t involve two or more parties conspiring with one another. Or, for those who don’t like to define a word using a root of the word, a conspiracy requires two or more parties (generally more, but two is enough) acting methodically and in concert with one another with the primary purpose to deceive or withhold truth in manner benefiting at least one of the actors but that is also detrimental to, or against the best interests of, a significant population.
A person sleeping with another person’s wife isn’t a conspiracy. Claiming the holocaust didn’t happen isn’t a conspiracy (though the holocaust itself was). Someone paying the Hausers to go somewhere other than UW isn’t a conspiracy.
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LOL....yes, please point out which ones are alarming to you that you feel don't fit the definition.
Exactly what I (and Benny) said.
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Of course. it’s the only correct answer. “Don’t know” should have bordered on 100%.
classic-it is ok not to know what you believe? if you believe in something, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true or not. people, at least those in my sphere, are allowed to believe in what they want to believe. it doesn't make them true, false, fact or not factual
then there are those who blanket their beliefs over a group of people; either they are very persuasive or they are speaking to sheep. the people i hang with have the ability to make their own choices/form their own beliefs.
who do you get your marching orders from?? those with "only the correct answer" of course...scarey
if you want to go on facts, that's a whole different subject, but i have a funny feeling your facts are different from mine
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The beer summit.
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In the old days there were lots of quality conspiracies. Today people are not intellectually skilled enough to pull them off as much.
:o
Maybe there is just too much easily accessible information and ways for people to speak out to keep stuff properly suppressed enough for a conspiracy to live
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So I have been thinking about the whole "NBA suspending MJ for gambling" conspiracy. I can't figure out the NBA's motivations for taking that course of action.
If MJ had actually been gambling against NBA rules, why not make an example out of him? (Like the NFL did with Hornung and Karras back in the day.) If you aren't going to do that, then you might as well ignore it and let your top player continue playing. Quietly suspending him means you aren't public with your punishment AND you don't have your A-player. That seems like the worse option possible.
Am I missing something? Maybe it was a negotiated suspension?
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So I have been thinking about the whole "NBA suspending MJ for gambling" conspiracy. I can't figure out the NBA's motivations for taking that course of action.
If MJ had actually been gambling against NBA rules, why not make an example out of him? (Like the NFL did with Hornung and Karras back in the day.) If you aren't going to do that, then you might as well ignore it and let your top player continue playing. Quietly suspending him means you aren't public with your punishment AND you don't have your A-player. That seems like the worse option possible.
Am I missing something? Maybe it was a negotiated suspension?
You're not missing anything. Like 99.9% of conspiracy theories, this one is ridiculous.
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So I have been thinking about the whole "NBA suspending MJ for gambling" conspiracy. I can't figure out the NBA's motivations for taking that course of action.
If MJ had actually been gambling against NBA rules, why not make an example out of him? (Like the NFL did with Hornung and Karras back in the day.) If you aren't going to do that, then you might as well ignore it and let your top player continue playing. Quietly suspending him means you aren't public with your punishment AND you don't have your A-player. That seems like the worse option possible.
Am I missing something? Maybe it was a negotiated suspension?
The impression I always got was because he was the face of the league and seemed to be close to Stern. The league didn't want to throw their ultimate, all-time posterboy under the bus. Losing Jordan would be damaging enough to the league, but turning him into the next Pete Rose, who had just been given a lifelong ban from baseball 4 years earlier, would potentially in the eyes of the league make it impossible to bring him back.
I don't know nor did I ever give it too much thought, but Rose's reputation was destroyed by the gambling ban, and he was an all-time great. I can see why Stern, who would've wanted Jordan to come back, would've shied away from condemning him to that public fate.
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Jake Arrieta didn't juice.
No Cub has ever juiced. Or corked a bat.
Soccer is a sport.
🙄
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I also, last week, heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard Ron Coomer, (drunkenly talking at his bar in Lockport), that the reason Ben Zobrist hasn't returned to the Cubs is because a current player was sleeping with Zobrist's wife.
This theory evolved into Mike Montgomery being the offender, and Monty's trade ushering in Zobrist's forthcoming return to the team.
It was Lester banging Zobrists wife.
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The only reason I would think the moon landing was staged is because my brain can’t comprehend how anything, let alone something weighing 6.5 million pounds (though I’m guessing by the time it got up to top speed it had peeled off much of the original spaceship), could move at the 7 miles per single second it took to break through Earth’s gravitational pull. I can’t fathom that.
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The impression I always got was because he was the face of the league and seemed to be close to Stern. The league didn't want to throw their ultimate, all-time posterboy under the bus. Losing Jordan would be damaging enough to the league, but turning him into the next Pete Rose, who had just been given a lifelong ban from baseball 4 years earlier, would potentially in the eyes of the league make it impossible to bring him back.
I don't know nor did I ever give it too much thought, but Rose's reputation was destroyed by the gambling ban, and he was an all-time great. I can see why Stern, who would've wanted Jordan to come back, would've shied away from condemning him to that public fate.
That’s reasonable. But then why suspend him at all?
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The only reason I would think the moon landing was staged is because my brain can’t comprehend how anything, let alone something weighing 6.5 million pounds (though I’m guessing by the time it got up to top speed it had peeled off much of the original spaceship), could move at the 7 miles per single second it took to break through Earth’s gravitational pull. I can’t fathom that.
I know you aren’t saying that it was a hoax, but to the people that do think that - do they also believe the later Apollo missions were all hoaxes as well.
There is no proper reaction other than to laugh at these idiots.
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I know you aren’t saying that it was a hoax, but to the people that do think that - do they also believe the later Apollo missions were all hoaxes as well.
There is no proper reaction other than to laugh at these idiots.
Or punch them, if you are Buzz Aldrin.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=buzz+aldrin+punches+man&view=detail&mid=241D5BB98109416952D0241D5BB98109416952D0&FORM=VIRE
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That’s reasonable. But then why suspend him at all?
Precisely.
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Or punch them, if you are Buzz Aldrin.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=buzz+aldrin+punches+man&view=detail&mid=241D5BB98109416952D0241D5BB98109416952D0&FORM=VIRE
A coworker sent me that last week. That was awesome.
How 'bout dem apples.
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What is hard for me to fathom is the spacewalking. They step out of a craft moving 17,500 miles/hour (almost 5 miles/second)and the tether doesn't even stretch or anything. The change in things without the atmosphere is incredible.
It is impossible for me to believe the moon landing is a hoax because literally thousands of people would have to be in on it.
I don't believe the Kennedy assassination was a vast conspiracy (maybe a couple guys) because what was done was relatively easy to accomplish by a single gunman and because of computer modeling all of the things that seemed weird at the time (the direction Kennedy's head moved, the bullet seeming going in multiple directions) are easily explained. I read a thorough analysis somewhere that one of the body guards may have accidentally shot Kennedy while pulling out his service piece and I could believe something like that if the evidence supported it.
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The only reason I would think the moon landing was staged is because my brain can’t comprehend how anything, let alone something weighing 6.5 million pounds (though I’m guessing by the time it got up to top speed it had peeled off much of the original spaceship), could move at the 7 miles per single second it took to break through Earth’s gravitational pull. I can’t fathom that.
It is mind bogglingly impressive that in 66 years, humanity went from being as flightless as a penguin, to reaching the moon.
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It is mind bogglingly impressive that in 66 years, humanity went from being as flightless as a penguin, to reaching the moon.
This. The first powered flight took place in 1903 and lasted 3.5 seconds. 66 years later we traveled 953,000 miles with a stop off at the moon. Crazy sauce
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The only reason I would think the moon landing was staged is because my brain can’t comprehend how anything, let alone something weighing 6.5 million pounds (though I’m guessing by the time it got up to top speed it had peeled off much of the original spaceship), could move at the 7 miles per single second it took to break through Earth’s gravitational pull. I can’t fathom that.
Yesterday, I started listening to 13 Minutes to the Moon, a BBC Podcast on the Apollo 11 Mission. It's very good. It really is amazing what they accomplished.
Two most interesting facts so far (if I'm remembering correctly, always questionable):
1) the average age of the people in Mission Control was 27-years-old. Wow. Gene Kranz, the Flight Director, was only 36. Again, wow.
2) The Saturn V -- the rocket that sent them on their way -- produced 7.5 million pounds of thrust. The rocket that put Glenn into orbit produced "only" 86,000 pounds of thrust.
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Yesterday, I started listening to 13 Minutes to the Moon, a BBC Podcast on the Apollo 11 Mission. It's very good. It really is amazing what they accomplished.
Two most interesting facts so far (if I'm remembering correctly, always questionable):
1) the average age of the people in Mission Control was 27-years-old. Wow. Gene Kranz, the Flight Director, was only 36. Again, wow.
2) The Saturn V -- the rocket that sent them on their way -- produced 7.5 million pounds of thrust. The rocket that put Glenn into orbit produced "only" 86,000 pounds of thrust.
The real benefit of the 1960s space program was intangible. It was the belief that if we put our mind to doing something, we could do it.
When President Kennedy promised we would reach the moon by 1970, the people at NASA had a common comment: "He did WHAT?????????" The belief was there was no way. We'd just completed a sub-orbital flight from the Cape to about 400 miles out into the Atlantic Ocean and here, the President just committed us to the moon. Nobody knew how to do it and the technology we needed did not yet exist.
Fast forward eight years and there we are -- an American flag on the moon! Others dreamed about it. We did it!
Much of the technology we use today got its start in the space program. Apollo was dependent on the crude predecessors to today's integrated circuits found in everything from cellphones to automobile navigation systems. That took awhile but the emergence of computer technology had its roots in the 1960s.
Now, if we could just solve a 1202 fault in Microsoft Windows! LOL!
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Much of the technology we use today got its start in the space program. Apollo was dependent on the crude predecessors to today's integrated circuits found in everything from cellphones to automobile navigation systems. That took awhile but the emergence of computer technology had its roots in the 1960s.
While I am certainly not saying investing in the Apollo missions wasn't a driver of technological change, I think some of the inventions attributed to it are oftentimes overblown. And this is one of them. Texas Instruments, headed by Marquette alum Patrick Haggerty, was developing semiconductor technology in the early 1950s. And it rapidly developed from there.
Did it help that NASA invested into the research in the 60s? Of course. By the emergence of computer technology had its roots long before the 1960s and the Apollo missions.
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Now, if we could just solve a 1202 fault in Microsoft Windows! LOL!
As I understand it, they ultimately handled the 1202 fault the same way I handle most computer faults: ignored it.
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Yesterday, I started listening to 13 Minutes to the Moon, a BBC Podcast on the Apollo 11 Mission. It's very good. It really is amazing what they accomplished.
Two most interesting facts so far (if I'm remembering correctly, always questionable):
1) the average age of the people in Mission Control was 27-years-old. Wow. Gene Kranz, the Flight Director, was only 36. Again, wow.
2) The Saturn V -- the rocket that sent them on their way -- produced 7.5 million pounds of thrust. The rocket that put Glenn into orbit produced "only" 86,000 pounds of thrust.
A very good friend of ours married a Naval aviator who flew F-18s off of aircraft carriers. He is definitely the friend of ours who's had the coolest job. We found out later by accident that he didn't even have the coolest job in his family.
When I googled his name trying to find their wedding registry, a picture of his dad popped up. It was taken in Mission Control for Apollo 11.
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As I understand it, they ultimately handled the 1202 fault the same way I handle most computer faults: ignored it.
Still running Windows 98? ;D
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While I am certainly not saying investing in the Apollo missions wasn't a driver of technological change, I think some of the inventions attributed to it are oftentimes overblown. And this is one of them. Texas Instruments, headed by Marquette alum Patrick Haggerty, was developing semiconductor technology in the early 1950s. And it rapidly developed from there.
Did it help that NASA invested into the research in the 60s? Of course. By the emergence of computer technology had its roots long before the 1960s and the Apollo missions.
Try this. From one of my engineering trade magazines.
8 Technologies We Owe to the Apollo Space Program
https://www.designnews.com/materials-assembly/8-technologies-we-owe-apollo-space-program?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=9400&elq_cid=135373&fbclid=IwAR3BJHnSi5YP8TpbbAf1iX4xB2EdDCHzjMxUXuCD5LkE26soatsOpb5LHe4
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Try this. From of my engineering trade magazines.
8 Technologies We Owe to the Apollo Space Program
https://www.designnews.com/materials-assembly/8-technologies-we-owe-apollo-space-program?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=9400&elq_cid=135373&fbclid=IwAR3BJHnSi5YP8TpbbAf1iX4xB2EdDCHzjMxUXuCD5LkE26soatsOpb5LHe4
What? No mention of Tang?
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As I understand it, they ultimately handled the 1202 fault the same way I handle most computer faults: ignored it.
Mostly correct, the 1201 and 1202 alarms were due to overstack on the memory of the LM computer because a spurious program (radar ranging to the command module) was running too many times and not executing on time.
(Note this is oversimplified for the audience, it's much more technical programming issue then I really want to articulate).
The LM computer was a single processor, meaning it could only execute one command at a time but it was a very fast processor so they had a que which held all commands waiting to be executed and as a command was completed the next priority command would occur(so to the human element it appeared to be processing in parallel). In testing on earth and in the Apollo 10 mission the storage was never filled, but that was because they never got far enough from the CM for long enough see the root error (ranging data flooding the computer) and so didn't know that it would occasionally cut in line and take too long to close out resulting in overstacking in the executable memory(1201 was a primary storage overflow, 1202 was a secondary storage overflow). The computer had a default fix which was to soft reset which cleared the que and it reset fast enough that no navigational data was lost so it was only an intermittent fault so they could ignore it. Had it occurred more frequently it would have dumped the nav data and then they would have been SOL.
Side note, Aldrin was actually the one in real time that figured out the problem because he noticed a failure to process error (16/68) for the radar ranging to the CM would occur right before the 1202 error would occur which was then followed by the 1201 error. The solution was to kill the ranging to the CM which cleared the errors but without that ranging the computer could not continuously determine an abort track back to the CM.....meaning in real time they knowingly killed their only exit strategy back home should they have to abort. That's like diving at the deck of the aircraft carrier to catch a wire, you either land or you crash. Real smarts and guts to be sure.
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Try this. From of my engineering trade magazines.
8 Technologies We Owe to the Apollo Space Program
https://www.designnews.com/materials-assembly/8-technologies-we-owe-apollo-space-program?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=9400&elq_cid=135373&fbclid=IwAR3BJHnSi5YP8TpbbAf1iX4xB2EdDCHzjMxUXuCD5LkE26soatsOpb5LHe4
This is a much more reasonable list.
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Mostly correct, the 1201 and 1202 alarms were due to overstack on the memory of the LM computer because a spurious program (radar ranging to the command module) was running too many times and not executing on time.
(Note this is oversimplified for the audience, it's much more technical programming issue then I really want to articulate).
The LM computer was a single processor, meaning it could only execute one command at a time but it was a very fast processor so they had a que which held all commands waiting to be executed and as a command was completed the next priority command would occur(so to the human element it appeared to be processing in parallel). In testing on earth and in the Apollo 10 mission the storage was never filled, but that was because they never got far enough from the CM for long enough see the root error (ranging data flooding the computer) and so didn't know that it would occasionally cut in line and take too long to close out resulting in overstacking in the executable memory(1201 was a primary storage overflow, 1202 was a secondary storage overflow). The computer had a default fix which was to soft reset which cleared the que and it reset fast enough that no navigational data was lost so it was only an intermittent fault so they could ignore it. Had it occurred more frequently it would have dumped the nav data and then they would have been SOL.
Side note, Aldrin was actually the one in real time that figured out the problem because he noticed a failure to process error (16/68) for the radar ranging to the CM would occur right before the 1202 error would occur which was then followed by the 1201 error. The solution was to kill the ranging to the CM which cleared the errors but without that ranging the computer could not continuously determine an abort track back to the CM.....meaning in real time they knowingly killed their only exit strategy back home should they have to abort. That's like diving at the deck of the aircraft carrier to catch a wire, you either land or you crash. Real smarts and guts to be sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a_sx3ozoXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a_sx3ozoXI)
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Space Food Sticks.
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Space Food Sticks.
If are going there, one must not forget Tang.
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If are going there, one must not forget Tang.
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Did I not just say that?
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Space Food Sticks.
it literally doesn't because your sense of smell is considerably altered and/or diminished in zero G
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Did I not just say that?
My attention span is three posts. My apologies.
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Note this is oversimplified for the audience, it's much more technical programming issue then I really want to articulate...
Thanks for the additional information and for dumbing it down a little. After listening to a couple more episodes of 13MTTM, I actually understood it. Fascinating stuff.
... in real time they knowingly killed their only exit strategy back home should they have to abort. That's like diving at the deck of the aircraft carrier to catch a wire, you either land or you crash. Real smarts and guts to be sure.
Honestly, it's amazing that with all the size and weight limitations of the lunar module, it was able to accommodate two sets of huge balls.
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For fun...a new Apollo 11 conspiracy /coincidence.
MLB gave the Astros permission to wear a special Apollo 11 hat at their July 22 Apollo 11 night versus the A's
One had to do a double take.
In the third inning ...while Niel Armstrong's son was adding color in the local TV booth ...
the Astros sent their 11th player of the inning to the plate
....at which point they then got their 11th hit ,
which scored their 11th run.
Astros won 11-1
Gerrit Cole won his 11th game with 11k's
and
Three Cubans (Diaz, Alvarez and Gurriel) hit Astro home runs...adding some typical conspiracy spice
BTW In his first 30 games (since coming up on June 22) Astro rookie Jordan Alvarez has 11 HRs and 35 RBIs...35 breaks the all time rookie record in first 30 games of 34 RBIs by Albert Pujols... it is worth watching this kids ABs...he is physically huge, but already a disciplined hitter....Air Jordan Alvarez will be special
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RIP, Flight. Gene Kranz passed away yesterday at age 95.
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RIP, Flight. Gene Kranz passed away yesterday at age 95.
Are you maybe thinking of Chris Kraft...the original flight director and an icon of NASA?
Gene Kranz gained fame due the vests, his many interviews, a book and the Apollo 13 movie....but actually he was a latter generation guy....
Chris was his mentor ...Chris almost invented mission control and its workings...Chris is the legend. NASA revered him
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/07/22/chris-kraft-first-flight-director-for-nasa-dies-at-95/
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RIP, Flight. Gene Kranz passed away yesterday at age 95.
Actually Craft passed away yesterday, not Kranz
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Actually Craft passed away yesterday, not Kranz
Actually it is Kraft not Craft (see post prior to yours)
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Yup, my mistake. Trying to do too much on my phone.
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Actually it is Kraft not Craft (see post prior to yours)
My phone “corrected” it...I typed in Kraft, it put in Craft. Went too fast to go back and validate.
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That’s reasonable. But then why suspend him at all?
Maybe they had tried previous interventions and not had success, maybe fears that he would or had bet on the Bulls and needed to nip it in the bud decisively, it certainly wouldn't be the first time someone was punished privately to keep things out of the press.
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Actually it is Kraft not Craft (see post prior to yours)
My phone “corrected” it...I typed in Kraft, it put in Craft. Went too fast to go back and validate.
Scoop in a nutshell: an unnecessary correction of an error, followed by an unnecessary defense of the error.
MUScoop...God help me but I love it so...
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ZFB ain’t like tang
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Aliens very well may exist but I highly doubt they've been here. My dad spent a lot of time TDY in the Nevada desert....they ain't there
I have spent a lot of time in that same patch of Nevada desert and there is only bad coffee, sophisticated flying machines, and great low levels.
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The Holocaust didn't happen.
The Sandy Hook massacre didn't actually happen.
A child sex ring was being run inside a DC pizza parlor.
Just good clean conspiracy-theory fun ... until some whack job went to shoot up the pizza parlor.
It's perfectly fine to have TS Code Worded material on High Value Targeting operations outside the JWICS network
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Very similar to the Seattle media protecting Russel Wilson's wild lifestyle after his "born again virgin" announcement.
I am not sure about Wilson being wild but he and his now ex lived at the same high rise as friends, Washington Square in Bellevue. Unfortunately, so did Golden Tate who was openly cavorting with Mrs Wilson (Tate was very quickly traded to Detroit once it was clear he was plowing Mrs Wilson.)
I thought it was too bad because I often saw the Wilson's at the adjacent Top Pot as well as eastside eateries where things looked normal.
Ya never know about people.
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I love how people talk about "The Popular Vote"
It's essentially the same as saying, "But we had more base hits!"
Metrics matter.
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I am not sure about Wilson being wild but he and his now ex lived at the same high rise as friends, Washington Square in Bellevue. Unfortunately, so did Golden Tate who was openly cavorting with Mrs Wilson (Tate was very quickly traded to Detroit once it was clear he was plowing Mrs Wilson.)
I thought it was too bad because I often saw the Wilson's at the adjacent Top Pot as well as eastside eateries where things looked normal.
Ya never know about people.
Golden taint, aina?
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Golden taint, aina?
Taint strip?
Zig, MS IV in early September?
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Reseach Report on CIA cover-up of JFK assassination.
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/cia-director-john-mccone-jfk-assassination-truth
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I am not sure about Wilson being wild but he and his now ex lived at the same high rise as friends, Washington Square in Bellevue. Unfortunately, so did Golden Tate who was openly cavorting with Mrs Wilson (Tate was very quickly traded to Detroit once it was clear he was plowing Mrs Wilson.)
I thought it was too bad because I often saw the Wilson's at the adjacent Top Pot as well as eastside eateries where things looked normal.
Ya never know about people.
if i were russell, first play to golden, a button hook and a perfectly timed spiral right to the schmekel
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if i were russell, first play to golden, a button hook and a perfectly timed spiral right to the schmekel
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/giants-player-suspended-for-using-fertility-drug-crippling-teams-receiving-core
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Yup......but no one is surprised. As the names yesterday came out and many more to come....no one is surprised
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Usually no. Today.....
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FBI is on the case so that should make everyone feel comfortable. LOL
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A lot to unwrap here
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FBI is on the case so that should make everyone feel comfortable. LOL
As usual, the creep wants to start in on politics.
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After the unsealing of the documents yesterday, I said "welp, Epstein is a dead man in the next few weeks."
Sure enough.
Two things surprise me:
1) It's awfully brazen to kill him less than 24 hours after the unsealing of the documents.
2) I'm surprised that he didn't fake his own death, have a closed casket funeral, and move to Paraguay (Kenneth Lay).
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As usual, the creep wants to start in on politics.
Law enforcement...last I checked FBI was the “premier” law enforcement agency in the US. What is the equivalent up there in Canada?
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After the unsealing of the documents yesterday, I said "welp, Epstein is a dead man in the next few weeks."
Sure enough.
Two things surprise me:
1) It's awfully brazen to kill him less than 24 hours after the unsealing of the documents.
2) I'm surprised that he didn't fake his own death, have a closed casket funeral, and move to Paraguay (Kenneth Lay).
People already saying that is happening, thus conspiracy theories are alive and well today.
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This was posted several weeks ago by a former inmate. Nailed it.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/when-will-epstein-be-found-dead-before-or-after-a-deal/
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This was posted several weeks ago by a former inmate. Nailed it.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/when-will-epstein-be-found-dead-before-or-after-a-deal/
What is the evidence or information that risked coming out if he went to trial Who most would have such NOT to be revealed
Criminology looks first for those with motive
Match the info to those most wanting its continued secrecy they are suspects
Unless we know the above it’s never launching as a conspiracy
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What is the evidence or information that risked coming out if he went to trial Who most would have such NOT to be revealed
Criminology looks first for those with motive
Match the info to those most wanting its continued secrecy they are suspects
Unless we know the above it’s never launching as a conspiracy
The reason this is ripe for a conspiracy theory is because the list of people that would possibly have motive is long.
The fact that suicide watch was dropped, raises serious questions. Whoever signed off on that is going to be investigated heavily. This one is way too suspicious.
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Law enforcement...last I checked FBI was the “premier” law enforcement agency in the US. What is the equivalent up there in Canada?
Drop the act. People aren't stupid. Anyone with half a brain knew exactly what you were implying and it was political. Don't insult peoples intelligence.
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Drop the act. People aren't stupid. Anyone with half a brain knew exactly what you were implying and it was political. Don't insult peoples intelligence.
I didn’t think it was possible to insult yours. The FBI has been in serious trouble for dropping the ball the last five to 10 years. Not political in the slightest, great piece in Time Magazine last year how they are in crisis due to all the missteps including Parkland, Orlando, Oregon, etc. The conviction rate for FBI referred cases is down to 47% while it is close to 75% for other law enforcement agencies. That has nothing to do with politics, this is their ability to be competent in law enforcement....will be interesting to see if they can get their mojo back.
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I didn’t think it was possible to insult yours. The FBI has been in serious trouble for drooping the ball the last five to 10 years. Not political in the slightest, great piece in Time Magazine last year how they are in crisis due to all the missteps including Parkland, Orlando, Oregon, etc. The conviction rate for FBI referred cases is down to 47% while it is close to 75% for other law enforcement agencies. That has nothing to do with politics, this is their ability to be competent in law enforcement....will be interesting to see if they can get their mojo back.
Politics and personal attacks.
Serious question. What kind of person gets joy out of personally attacking people on an anonymous message board?
I seriously think it is a goal of yours to see how many threads you can get locked. I personally hope they don't lock it, as it seems like that would be rewarding you for your behavior.
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Politics and personal attacks.
Serious question. What kind of person gets joy out of personally attacking people on an anonymous message board?
I seriously think it is a goal of yours to see how many threads you can get locked. I personally hope they don't lock it, as it seems like that would be rewarding you for your behavior.
That’s funny since MU82 has locked more threads than anyone the last 6 months and it isn’t close.
You insulted me, I gave it right back. I take no joy in it, did you take joy in it with your comments? My comments have nothing to do with politics, stop lying and insulting me that they do.
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The reason this is ripe for a conspiracy theory is because the list of people that would possibly have motive is long.
The fact that suicide watch was dropped, raises serious questions. Whoever signed off on that is going to be investigated heavily. This one is way too suspicious.
Who are the people with? In my readings on this I havent seen allusions to anyone who might have wanted this done.
I understand victims and counsel wanting their justice, recovery etc...but they would prefer him alive...and not dead.
..."the list of people that would possibly have motive is long...." Who are they?
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FBI is on the case so that should make everyone feel comfortable. LOL
Our FBI? The one in the USA?
The one started and led for 50 years by J. Edgar Hoover?
Oh that one!!!!! Boy I feel better already!
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Our FBI? The one in the USA?
The one started and led for 50 years by J. Edgar Hoover?
Oh that one!!!!! Boy I feel better already!
Hehe. Yup, that one. Pillars of virtue.
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Who are the people with? In my readings on this I havent seen allusions to anyone who might have wanted this done.
I understand victims and counsel wanting their justice, recovery etc...but they would prefer him alive...and not dead.
..."the list of people that would possibly have motive is long...." Who are they?
There are a number of wealthy elite, and powerful politicians that have been accused of being involved in his sex ring. There was push to get him to name names and provide evidence of wrong doing by these other individuals.
Dead men tell no tales.
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Our FBI? The one in the USA?
The one started and led for 50 years by J. Edgar Hoover?
Oh that one!!!!! Boy I feel better already!
I expect Chico to do Putin’s work. That’s where his loyalties lie. You surprise me.
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I expect Chico to do Putin’s work. That’s where his loyalties lie. You surprise me.
Interesting anti-law enforcement hot takes from the same people outraged over a football player's socks, huh?
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Interesting anti-law enforcement hot takes from the same people outraged over a football player's socks, huh?
One of my closest friends is an agent 18 years and many of the rank and file are sick of what has happened at the heads of the bureau for a number of years. One can be very pro law enforcement and be disgusted with the corruption and malfeasance in the management of it. Not hard at all. Was Hoover a pillar of virtue? How was my comment off base? If a department has 100 cops and 3 of them are corrupt and bad, I call them out am I anti-law enforcement? Please Pakuni, you are smarter than that but the last few days you have been struggling with your commentary. Need to up your game.
As for Jockey’s comments, political but of course will be allowed here.
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I expect Chico to do Putin’s work. That’s where his loyalties lie. You surprise me.
My loyalties lie with anti corruption law enforcement, of which Hoover was not.
The rest of your post was blatantly political
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I firmly believe Epstein was killed.....too many powerful people on both sides with too much to lose for him to have lived longer.
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I firmly believe Epstein was killed.....too many powerful people on both sides with too much to lose for him to have lived longer.
Maybe, but his close associate who supposedly put most of the hookups together is very much alive....plenty of evidence around if needed.
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I think he got the guards to ignore his cell for awhile so he could kill himself. Read up on that prison. It's not a nice place especially when you are in solitary like he was.
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Don't think he was killed. There was too much interest in this country in a show trial to achieve certain political objectives. And, while I think there has been more than a few problems with law enforcement in recent years, I doubt anyone would overtly and openly stoop to this level, even if the powerful were involved. I just don't see it.
As to my FBI comments, I don't doubt there are many fine FBI agents doing the nation's work on things like eradicating organized crime, solving espionage rings, assisting local police departments when the crimes are large-scale and sophisticated. But the leadership of the FBI has been overtly political ever since Edgar Hoover first ran the FBI. Mr. Comey's tenure and his bizarre behavior during the 2016 election is Peoples' Exhibit Number 1.
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I firmly believe Epstein was killed.....too many powerful people on both sides with too much to lose for him to have lived longer.
I firmly believe that firmly believing either way at this point is jumping to conclusions.
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Maybe, but his close associate who supposedly put most of the hookups together is very much alive....plenty of evidence around if needed.
If I was her, I would sleep with at least one eye open. I'm 100% serious. She will either compensated significantly to fall on the sword or she will be disappeared.
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I firmly believe that firmly believing either way at this point is jumping to conclusions.
I agree. Still way too many blanks to qualify as a conspiracy.
In my original OP here I listed popular conspiracies. Each had to marinate for a while, ...
.this one doesn't qualify in only a 2-3 day news cycle as a killing conspiracy simply because we read "sex" and some famous names.
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I firmly believe Epstein was killed.....too many powerful people on both sides with too much to lose for him to have lived longer.
Here's where I am Eng. At a minimum, his suicide was 'facilitated'.
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Occam’s Razer
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Here's where I am Eng. At a minimum, his suicide was 'facilitated'.
I agree. There is no conspiracy.
There was neglect and incompetence all the way up the chain.
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I agree. There is no conspiracy.
There was neglect and incompetence all the way up the chain.
And you know this how? How about we get some answers first, so far much of the early reporting has been false with corrections now coming out. Rush to get a story, facts be damned, correct later mentality.
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And you know this how? How about we get some answers first, so far much of the early reporting has been false with corrections now coming out. Rush to get a story, facts be damned, correct later mentality.
Kind of like the NCAA’s rush to get a new rule out regarding agents just to change something, correct very shortly after when there’s egg all over your face because the rule was an absolute joke.
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Kind of like the NCAA’s rush to get a new rule out regarding agents just to change something, correct very shortly after when there’s egg all over your face because the rule was an absolute joke.
Fail to see the analogy. One is speculating on an event that very few have any information on, or how high it goes.
The other was a rule the NBA had....No need to buckle...would have been a non issue in a few days. They should have stuck to their guns, but at least it blew up some of the other favorite canards of people and the NCAA.
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I firmly believe that firmly believing either way at this point is jumping to conclusions.
Its hard, because if you believe either side, the evidence has already been destroyed, and they have gotten away with it!
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I agree. There is no conspiracy.
There was neglect and incompetence all the way up the chain.
There is a conspiracy in some capacity, whether it's a full blown hit or just Epstein paying people to look the other way so he could off himself, this is not a series of unfortunate events.
Dude was the most important federal prisoner at this time and the following things had to happen IN COMBINATION for him to be able to off himself:
-guards not following procedure for a suicide risk and going longer than 30 min without direct observation
-surveillance cameras turned off
-cellmate transferred
-suicide restrictions removed
I could see one or two of those things happening but not all of them
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Inadequate staffing
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There is a conspiracy in some capacity, whether it's a full blown hit or just Epstein paying people to look the other way so he could off himself, this is not a series of unfortunate events.
Dude was the most important federal prisoner at this time and the following things had to happen IN COMBINATION for him to be able to off himself:
-guards not following procedure for a suicide risk and going longer than 30 min without direct observation
-surveillance cameras turned off
-cellmate transferred
-suicide restrictions removed
I could see one or two of those things happening but not all of them
You sure cameras were turned off? Where are you hearing or reading that?
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You sure cameras were turned off? Where are you hearing or reading that?
Seems I misheard, he was placed in a cell in which the cameras don't show the cell itself(not that the cameras were off like I thought)....another break in protocol for a suicide watch
https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/ (https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/)
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Seems I misheard, he was placed in a cell in which the cameras don't show the cell itself(not that the cameras were off like I thought)....another break in protocol for a suicide watch
https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/ (https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/)
But if he wasn’t on suicide watch, which has also been reported, then it would not be a break in protocol...right?
End of the day, very early and tons of misinformation reported at the moment so hard to know what is accurate in reporting.
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Wuz Vince Foster rubbed out, hey?
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Occam’s Razer
I keep going back to this too, but at some point, doesn't the level of incompetence it would take for there to be no "conspiracy" rise to be a more complicated explanation? When you look at the timeline of when and how he was put on then taken off suicide watch, my lord. I understand that given the state of our prisons and jails, you can find issues anywhere you look for them, but this is beyond the pale.
For the record, if my life depended on giving an explanation of what I think happened, with the info available today, I would go with the "facilitated suicide" explanation - i.e. folks with influence, for one reason or another, reduced the protections typically allocated to someone with his recent track record of suicidal intentions and the value of his testimony against others.
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Maybe to avenge all the teenage girls that were victimized, Eleven didn't defend him from the Demogorgon.
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I keep going back to this too, but at some point, doesn't the level of incompetence it would take for there to be no "conspiracy" rise to be a more complicated explanation? When you look at the timeline of when and how he was put on then taken off suicide watch, my lord. I understand that given the state of our prisons and jails, you can find issues anywhere you look for them, but this is beyond the pale.
For the record, if my life depended on giving an explanation of what I think happened, with the info available today, I would go with the "facilitated suicide" explanation - i.e. folks with influence, for one reason or another, reduced the protections typically allocated to someone with his recent track record of suicidal intentions and the value of his testimony against others.
In many arguments, I tend to see both sides claiming Occam's Razor supports their side.
It is a go to logical "victory point," everyone knows what "Occam's Razor" means, most can't actually look at data in an unbiased way to determine what theory requires the least speculation.
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For the record, if my life depended on giving an explanation of what I think happened, with the info available today, I would go with the "facilitated suicide" explanation - i.e. folks with influence, for one reason or another, reduced the protections typically allocated to someone with his recent track record of suicidal intentions and the value of his testimony against others.
I keep thinking of that scene in Godfather II - ex mafioso all set to spill the beans on the Corleone family. First, Michael shows up in the courtroom escorting the guy's Mother. He gets a sudden case of amnesia and after a visit from the Consiglieri assuring him his family will be taken care of IF - he dutifully kills himself. Does Epstein have anyone he wants "taken care of"? The Maxwell woman? A lot of powerful people are high fiving this suicide, that's for sure.
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I keep thinking of that scene in Godfather II - ex mafioso all set to spill the beans on the Corleone family. First, Michael shows up in the courtroom escorting the guy's Mother. He gets a sudden case of amnesia and after a visit from the Consiglieri assuring him his family will be taken care of IF - he dutifully kills himself. Does Epstein have anyone he wants "taken care of"? The Maxwell woman? A lot of powerful people are high fiving this suicide, that's for sure.
I don't know of anyone Epstein wanted taken care of, but if you're looking for known, high-profile American acquaintances of Epstein with the means to help advance a conspiracy theory, look no further than 42 and 45.
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I don't know of anyone Epstein wanted taken care of, but if you're looking for known, high-profile American acquaintances of Epstein with the means to help advance a conspiracy theory, look no further than 42 and 45.
Don't forget non-American's like the British Royal Family.
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I think that maybe Horshak, Barbarino and Washington did it.
Oh wait ... I thought we were talkin' about Juan Epstein.
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Wuz Vince Foster rubbed out, hey?
Five separate investigations say no.
I am thinking about William Casey.
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Don't forget non-American's like the British Royal Family.
Perhaps, but if there is a conspiracy to be found here, there’s absolutely zero chance that the royal family would be involved. As bad as the fallout would be from a domestic conspiracy, if foreign nationals were involved, from our closest ally no less, it would be an international crisis.
Besides, I get the impression that there’s not much more that Prince Andrew could do that would actually be embarrassing to the Brits.
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I keep thinking of that scene in Godfather II - ex mafioso all set to spill the beans on the Corleone family. First, Michael shows up in the courtroom escorting the guy's Mother. He gets a sudden case of amnesia and after a visit from the Consiglieri assuring him his family will be taken care of IF - he dutifully kills himself. Does Epstein have anyone he wants "taken care of"? The Maxwell woman? A lot of powerful people are high fiving this suicide, that's for sure.
I think most decent people are celebrating this suicide as well. Most of us only wish he would have waited until after he was sentenced to life in prison before he did it.
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Five separate investigations say no.
I am thinking about William Casey.
russiarussiarussia eyn'a?
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34 indictments. Can't prosecute a sitting president.
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I think that maybe Horshak, Barbarino and Washington did it.
(https://i.imgflip.com/2r9q0o.jpg)
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I think most decent people are celebrating this suicide as well. Most of us only wish he would have waited until after he was sentenced to life in prison before he did it.
umm, no on the first sentence-MOSt decent people are p!ssed he will not be around to answer to his victims. WJC, HC, andy, richardson et.al were partying down. next up-da madame
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34 indictments. Can't prosecute a sitting president.
How many for colluding/conspiring with Russia? Zero.
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I think most decent people are celebrating this suicide as well. Most of us only wish he would have waited until after he was sentenced to life in prison before he did it.
Suicide without a public trial and its humiliation was too good/easy for him. A long, drawn out trial to humiliate all his buddies/co-conspirators would have been nice, too.
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I am thinking about William Casey.
I am thinking about William O'Casey, aka Bub. That William Frawley could flat out act.
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34 indictments. Can't prosecute a sitting president.
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Suicide without a public trial and its humiliation was too good/easy for him. A long, drawn out trial to humiliate all his buddies/co-conspirators would have been nice, too.
As I said, it would have been better if it had happened after the trial. But, unless the DoJ shuts it down (very possible, IMO), it will all still come out.
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Perhaps, but if there is a conspiracy to be found here, there’s absolutely zero chance that the royal family would be involved. As bad as the fallout would be from a domestic conspiracy, if foreign nationals were involved, from our closest ally no less, it would be an international crisis.
Besides, I get the impression that there’s not much more that Prince Andrew could do that would actually be embarrassing to the Brits.
Come on, you're not trying hard enough.
Prince Andrew, 42, and 45 conspired together with the Deep State, to off Epstein.
It's obvious. Occam's razor.
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Facts.
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Suicide without a public trial and its humiliation was too good/easy for him. A long, drawn out trial to humiliate all his buddies/co-conspirators would have been nice, too.
This relies on the assumption that feeling shame was part of the mental makeup of the individual(s) in question. Decades of evidence suggest that's not the case.
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This relies on the assumption that feeling shame was part of the mental makeup of the individual(s) in question. Decades of evidence suggest that's not the case.
Agreed, the very nature of their crimes implies that shame doesn't even enter the equation. Entirely about their power over others and belief in their own infallibility which shame could not crack
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The Phoenix Lights
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Whenever I get too far down a conspiracy rabbit hole, I try to remember that this is a country where the POTUS can't get a BJ in the Oval Office or hook up with a porn star on the sly without the whole world finding out about it.
We're very bad at keeping secrets.
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Whenever I get too far down a conspiracy rabbit hole, I try to remember that this is a country where the POTUS can't get a BJ in the Oval Office or hook up with a porn star on the sly without the whole world finding out about it.
We're very bad at keeping secrets.
I'd like to delve down the rabbit hole of 1 of those acts resulting in impeachment and 1 of those acts resulting in a Presidency win
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I'd like to delve down the rabbit hole of 1 of those acts resulting in impeachment and 1 of those acts resulting in a Presidency win
Trump's one night stand with Story Daniels 10 years before he ran for president had the same effect on his election as Clinton's affairs from his years in Arkansas had on his - almost none.
What Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky is today text book sexual harassment - old, powerful man, young powerless woman in the workplace. Regardless, that's not what he was impeached for - I suggest you read the articles of impeachment. Among other things, lying under oath to a grand jury is serious stuff.
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Whenever I get too far down a conspiracy rabbit hole, I try to remember that this is a country where the POTUS can't get a BJ in the Oval Office or hook up with a porn star on the sly without the whole world finding out about it.
We're very bad at keeping secrets.
Necessary distractions to unearth and entertain, while the truly important ones remain buried. The carrot and the shtick.
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Whenever I get too far down a conspiracy rabbit hole, I try to remember that this is a country where the POTUS can't get a BJ in the Oval Office or hook up with a porn star on the sly without the whole world finding out about it.
We're very bad at keeping secrets.
Personal indiscretions where one or very few people truly want to keep it quiet is totally different than a group of individuals in which they all are incentivized to keep something quiet. It's not the size of the group its how firm is the collective motivation to keep it secret.
As an example, I'm read in on a classified program of which there are at least 150 people read in on it as well.....I have never even seen a whiff of the program out in the world despite the secret being known by a large group of people.
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Trump's one night stand with Story Daniels 10 years before he ran for president had the same effect on his election as Clinton's affairs from his years in Arkansas had on his - almost none.
What Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky is today text book sexual harassment - old, powerful man, young powerless woman in the workplace. Regardless, that's not what he was impeached for - I suggest you read the articles of impeachment. Among other things, lying under oath to a grand jury is serious stuff.
Yup. One also has a blue dress with physical proof, the other accusation by a porn star that I believe is likely credible, but no proof at all other than he said she said.
The comparison of the two by some is not remotely accurate.
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As an example, I'm read in on a classified program of which there are at least 150 people read in on it as well.....I have never even seen a whiff of the program out in the world despite the secret being known by a large group of people.
Likely because there's little public interest, public knowledge or public figures involved in said program. The suicide of Jeff Epstein has all of the above by the truckload.
Moreoever, the have killed Epstein or facilitated his suicide in custody would have required not only the involvement of operative types, but also "regular" people like jail officials, etc., the kind of people who are apt to have a few too many out on the town one night and spill the beans.
Not saying said conspiracies are impossible, just far less likely as some wish to believe.
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Yup. One also has a blue dress with physical proof, the other accusation by a porn star that I believe is likely credible, but no proof at all other than he said she said.
The comparison of the two by some is not remotely accurate.
Is there another reason Trump would have paid Stormy Daniels $130K?
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Wow, for something that isn't particularly nuanced, there are some nuanced takes on sexual indiscretions & obstruction of justice by presidents as a means to gain/keep power.
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Is there another reason Trump would have paid Stormy Daniels $130K?
Yes. Because it is easier and cheaper to pay than to go through an impossible defense of saying she is wrong.
I think her story is credible, but you know as well as anyone that people with a lot of money are extorted all the time and it is easier to write a check for some of them. There are endless public examples that you or I can find.
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Likely because there's little public interest, public knowledge or public figures involved in said program. The suicide of Jeff Epstein has all of the above by the truckload.
Certainly less public interest than Epstein, but let's put it this way, I've gotten phone calls from reporters at major media providers asking for comment on something they've heard so it's not nothing. You're point is well taken though.
Moreoever, the have killed Epstein or facilitated his suicide in custody would have required not only the involvement of operative types, but also "regular" people like jail officials, etc., the kind of people who are apt to have a few too many out on the town one night and spill the beans.
Not saying said conspiracies are impossible, just far less likely as some wish to believe.
I certainly agree with this, and I think the conspiracy(if it exists) would have to fall apart within the next 6 months because to your point it is huge undertaking. I think the compartmentalization of such an operation is possible but I agree it's a major risk....but given what it seems Epstein would have known, I just think it makes such an operation probable.
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I think that maybe Horshak, Barbarino and Washington did it.
Oh wait ... I thought we were talkin' about Juan Epstein.
Epstein's mother?
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Trump's one night stand with Story Daniels 10 years before he ran for president had the same effect on his election as Clinton's affairs from his years in Arkansas had on his - almost none.
What Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky is today text book sexual harassment - old, powerful man, young powerless woman in the workplace. Regardless, that's not what he was impeached for - I suggest you read the articles of impeachment. Among other things, lying under oath to a grand jury is serious stuff.
You're correct, of course.
And that's on me for a poorly constructed sentence/attempt to convey my thoughts/intentions.
I'll stop at this point to prevent further discussion from anyone on this tangent.
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As an example, I'm read in on a classified program of which there are at least 150 people read in on it as well.....I have never even seen a whiff of the program out in the world despite the secret being known by a large group of people.
Certainly less public interest than Epstein, but let's put it this way, I've gotten phone calls from reporters at major media providers asking for comment on something they've heard so it's not nothing. You're point is well taken though.
I get what you're saying...but that sounds like a "whiff" to me. They've heard something; they've the name of at least one person who knows about it; and they're making calls.
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Is there another reason Trump would have paid Stormy Daniels $130K?
Not to me.
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I'm certain that the conspiracy to kill Epstein was cooked up in the Comet Ping Pong pizza parlor. They just had to push aside all the children who were being sex-trafficked so they could get to planning Eppie's demise.
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I'm certain that the conspiracy to kill Epstein was cooked up in the Comet Ping Pong pizza parlor. They just had to push aside all the children who were being sex-trafficked so they could get to planning Eppie's demise.
That, or GW and Dick Cheney cooked it up as part of their 9/11 inside job efforts in conjunction with the Russians, and the hanging Chads (great band name) in Florida.
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That, or GW and Dick Cheney cooked it up as part of their 9/11 inside job efforts in conjunction with the Russians, and the hanging Chads (great band name) in Florida.
A quick Spotify search revealed some thrash metal band named themselves that.
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I get what you're saying...but that sounds like a "whiff" to me. They've heard something; they've the name of at least one person who knows about it; and they're making calls.
Very fair. Didn't think of it that way, so yeah it's a less robust point now 😁
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Trump's one night stand with Story Daniels 10 years before he ran for president had the same effect on his election as Clinton's affairs from his years in Arkansas had on his - almost none.
What Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky is today text book sexual harassment - old, powerful man, young powerless woman in the workplace. Regardless, that's not what he was impeached for - I suggest you read the articles of impeachment. Among other things, lying under oath to a grand jury is serious stuff.
Here is the rub though, our current POTUS and his administration do not respect the rule of law and have been non compliant. Enforcement of rules, checks, and balances in our coequal branches of government are nonexistent because there is no mechanism or there is no real punishment for noncompliance.
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Here is the rub though, our current POTUS and his administration do not respect the rule of law and have been non compliant. Enforcement of rules, checks, and balances in our coequal branches of government are nonexistent because there is no mechanism or there is no real punishment for noncompliance.
Did the last POTUS respect the rule of law? My guess is both sides can find ample examples when they did not. Do you disagree?
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Did the last POTUS respect the rule of law? My guess is both sides can find ample examples when they did not. Do you disagree?
This is clearly a false equivalency you're trying to create, but we've handed too many powers to the executive for decades. This POTUS and his crew are just taking it to an entirely different level.
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Here is the rub though, our current POTUS and his administration do not respect the rule of law and have been non compliant.
^^^^^ ban dis guy
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This is clearly a false equivalency you're trying to create, but we've handed too many powers to the executive for decades. This POTUS and his crew are just taking it to an entirely different level.
Hmm, ok. If you say so, but seems often the other side says something similar about the other whenever they are not in power. As for the power of the executive, much like you can find Supreme Court justices at opposite sides of the same argument, or 500 economists on opposite sides, you can also find political scientists that agree or disagree with your statement(s) on the power of the Executive.
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Hmm, ok. If you say so, but seems often the other side says something similar about the other whenever they are not in power. As for the power of the executive, much like you can find Supreme Court justices at opposite sides of the same argument, or 500 economists on opposite sides, you can also find political scientists that agree or disagree with your statement(s) on the power of the Executive.
Please find me a single political scientist that says the Executive branch has gotten weaker since the 1930's... Hell, I'd go back to the framers. I'd love to see it. I'm salivating at the thought of someone with national credentials attempting to make such a foolish argument. The absolute career suicide would be legendary. But I guess in the current political climate, that person would probably be given a cabinet post or an ambassadorship.
Article II, Section 1 establishes that the president has the power to run the executive branch of the government. This section, later modified by Amendments XII and XXV, outlines who is eligible to serve as president, establishes the Electoral College (the means by which the president and vice president are elected), and authorizes Congress to determine who will replace the president and vice president should they be unable to serve during their term of office.
POSSIBLY the only time the executive was weakened was when the XXII amendment was ratified... and that was to establish term limits.
Article II, Section 2 establishes the president as the head of the military, and allows him to establish executive agencies, gives the president pardon power, and allows the president to make treaties with other countries (with senate approval of course). It also allows the president to appoint his cabinet, various officials, and ambassadors.... which need senate approval (Guess who this doesn't seem to be a important detail for?).
Article II, Section 3 states that the president must give a state of the union... in seriously any form.
Article II, Section 4 is just the impeachment/removal from office wording.
That is what the President's job was day one. If you think that is all the President does these days, I have a bridge to sell you.