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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuMark on July 16, 2019, 01:42:50 PM
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I think a lot of this many of us knew ......still interesting to get it directly from a coach.....i.e. Offers don't really mean that much .
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/lunch-is-for-cowards-inside-the-grind-of-a-day-recruiting-at-the-peach-jam-alongside-a-mid-major-coach/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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I think a lot of this many of us knew ......still interesting to get it directly from a coach.....i.e. Offers don't really mean that much .
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/lunch-is-for-cowards-inside-the-grind-of-a-day-recruiting-at-the-peach-jam-alongside-a-mid-major-coach/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Best part of the article:
"I keep texting my boss," a high-major assistant in good spirits says. "He's probably sitting at an Arby's right now, plotting."
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all these years after recruiting killed Skip Prosser it sounds like "same as it ever was"
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This seems especially brutal:
The kids play it almost as much as the coaches do. As recruiting has evolved, it's why fewer and fewer players commit before November of their senior season. They're hoping for any chance to get a call from that school that's a little better than the ones that have been recruiting them for the past 12-24 months.
Imagine being a head coach and recruiting a kid hard for 2 years. Late fall of his senior season, a school slightly "ahead" of your program extends an offer out of nowhere and the kid commits to them. Brutal
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This seems especially brutal:
Imagine being a head coach and recruiting a kid hard for 2 years. Late fall of his senior season, a school slightly "ahead" of your program extends an offer out of nowhere and the kid commits to them. Brutal
Happens on Buckyville all the time, really peeves them when Richard Pitino offers just after Gard does.
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I think Marquette can be a victim of this as well. Joel Embiid blew up just in time for Kansas to get the commit. Charles Matthews seemed like a lock until Kentucky swooped in. For Wojo, guys like Jordan Nwora, Jalen Wilson, and maybe now Dawson Garcia come to mind.
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Well written article. I believe the new recruiting calendar and formats will help the mid and low majors. For example , the recent high school events in NY and Philly were well received and surfaced a lot of under the radar kids.
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I think Marquette can be a victim of this as well. Joel Embiid blew up just in time for Kansas to get the commit. Charles Matthews seemed like a lock until Kentucky swooped in. For Wojo, guys like Jordan Nwora, Jalen Wilson, and maybe now Dawson Garcia come to mind.
Embiid visit went bad
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This seems especially brutal:
Imagine being a head coach and recruiting a kid hard for 2 years. Late fall of his senior season, a school slightly "ahead" of your program extends an offer out of nowhere and the kid commits to them. Brutal
Crean recruited Bobby Fraser for two years. He went to a tourney at UNC, had a monster weekend, and ends up getting offered by Roy Williams and Fraser is a Tar Heel.
A couple mid and low major D1 coaches I’ve spoken with are not fans of the final weekend “College Basketball Academy” everts. They worry under the radar kids they’re on will get nominated and noticed by other, bigger programs. In fact, one low major school’s staff deliberately nominated a kid they were going to lose out on to a conference rival so he’d have the chance to be seen by others. Other coaches aren’t nominating kids to keep them from being noticed. The life of the mid and low major...
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Boo Hoo!
Sorry but there's a second perspective here -- that of the student athlete.
Yeah, coaching is hard work and recruiting is the sales and marketing of coaching. God only knows how many of us in here who work at sales and marketing have had a prospect only to realize we didn't. Recruits are the same way.
In the end, it is what the best interest of the student athlete will be. I mean, yeah, I think everyone should aspire to Marquette but I'm not foolish to think that my experience at MU will be the same experience everyone has.
You follow a student for a long time. You nurture the relationship and think you have him when Roy Williams, Coach K or someone else swoops in and, presto, you have nothing. But the student does what's in the best interest of the student. Period. Life gooes on folks. If you don't like that risk, don't go into coaching!
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Crean recruited Bobby Fraser for two years. He went to a tourney at UNC, had a monster weekend, and ends up getting offered by Roy Williams and Fraser is a Tar Heel.
A couple mid and low major D1 coaches I’ve spoken with are not fans of the final weekend “College Basketball Academy” everts. They worry under the radar kids they’re on will get nominated and noticed by other, bigger programs. In fact, one low major school’s staff deliberately nominated a kid they were going to lose out on to a conference rival so he’d have the chance to be seen by others. Other coaches aren’t nominating kids to keep them from being noticed. The life of the mid and low major...
Not on the recruiting trail, but similar issue: my nephew plays soccer for a smallish D1 team. His freshman year he played every game -- led the team in minutes played (97% of available minutes). He had a great season and was one of the team's top players by any measure and one of the top freshman in the conference. The coach didn't even nominate him for any conference honors and actually told him that he doesn't nominate freshman because he thinks that if they receive such honors they're more likely to be recruited to transfer. "Gee, thanks Coach."
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I’m not going to shed a tear for the D1 hoops coach who is making, at a minimum, mid six figures while he complains about kids getting better opportunities at bigger schools.
Having said all of that, very cool article!
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Boo Hoo!
Sorry but there's a second perspective here -- that of the student athlete.
Yeah, coaching is hard work and recruiting is the sales and marketing of coaching. God only knows how many of us in here who work at sales and marketing have had a prospect only to realize we didn't. Recruits are the same way.
In the end, it is what the best interest of the student athlete will be. I mean, yeah, I think everyone should aspire to Marquette but I'm not foolish to think that my experience at MU will be the same experience everyone has.
You follow a student for a long time. You nurture the relationship and think you have him when Roy Williams, Coach K or someone else swoops in and, presto, you have nothing. But the student does what's in the best interest of the student. Period. Life gooes on folks. If you don't like that risk, don't go into coaching!
Agree 100%.
While I'm not a fan of Calipari, I have to give him credit here. He's helped pull high-level college basketball forward into the modern age -- by focusing on player success. Talent rules. Calipari encourages players to explore their pro options, attends the NBA draft with players and celebrates when they move on from the Kentucky program. That's how you attract the very best. Coach K and Duke have followed suit.
The same goes for "losing" assistant coaches. Part of you hates to see someone like Brett Nelson go, but the best coaches are the ones who are hungry for new opportunities to advance their careers. We were fortunate to have him at Marquette. If we put talented coaches like Brett in position to succeed, we'll attract others like him.
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I’m not going to shed a tear for the D1 hoops coach who is making, at a minimum, mid six figures while he complains about kids getting better opportunities at bigger schools.
Having said all of that, very cool article!
Pretty sure some of the low major coaches aren't pulling 6 figures. Could be wrong but wasn't buzz's contract at UNO a complete joke to the point he was making more as an MU assistant
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I'm pretty sure almost every D1 coach is making at least $100,000. A few years ago I read somewhere that one coach with a publicly available salary was making less than that figure. But if not every coach, I would say all but a handful.
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Pretty sure some of the low major coaches aren't pulling 6 figures. Could be wrong but wasn't buzz's contract at UNO a complete joke to the point he was making more as an MU assistant.
I couldn't find any salary information for Buzz Williams as the head coach at New Orleans compared to when he was an assistant at Marquette. But here are some listed mid-major head coaching salaries per USA Today:
Mike Rhoades, Virginia Commonwealth (A10) -- $1.2 million
Brian Dutcher, San Diego St. (MWC) -- $829,453
Nate Oats, Buffalo (MAC) -- $612,000
Tim Cluess, Iona (MAAC) -- $565, 261
Chris Jans, New Mexico St. (WAC) -- $429,000
T.J. Otzelberger, South Dakota St. (Summit) -- $400,000
Kyle Keller, Stephen F. Austin (Southland) -- $355,000
LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central (MEAC) -- $289,900
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/ (https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/)
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Pretty sure some of the low major coaches aren't pulling 6 figures. Could be wrong but wasn't buzz's contract at UNO a complete joke to the point he was making more as an MU assistant
Since the 2011-2012 season almost all low major coaches make less thank 500k/year. About 25% of mid major coaches make more than 500k/year. Very few high major coaches make less thank 500k.
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Pretty sure some of the low major coaches aren't pulling 6 figures. Could be wrong but wasn't buzz's contract at UNO a complete joke to the point he was making more as an MU assistant
Every d1 coach makes at least 100,000. No question about it.
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Guess on who the coach is??
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Embiid visit went bad
Couldn't show how Buzz used bigs.
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Couldn't show how Buzz used bigs.
I heard he walked into the bathroom after Buzz neglected to flush
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The mid major coaches who are willing to think outside the box are going to be rewarded . Grambling stepped up the plate with Deontay Long and have come up with a plan that will hopefully help the young man succeed. If it all works out they will have secured the services of a quality player.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/usatodayhss.com/2019/deontay-long-preferred-walk-on-grambling-state/amp
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Pretty sure some of the low major coaches aren't pulling 6 figures. Could be wrong but wasn't buzz's contract at UNO a complete joke to the point he was making more as an MU assistant
UNO is a public institution, so his salary is public record. You could probably find it if you were so inclined.
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Not on the recruiting trail, but similar issue: my nephew plays soccer for a smallish D1 team. His freshman year he played every game -- led the team in minutes played (97% of available minutes). He had a great season and was one of the team's top players by any measure and one of the top freshman in the conference. The coach didn't even nominate him for any conference honors and actually told him that he doesn't nominate freshman because he thinks that if they receive such honors they're more likely to be recruited to transfer. "Gee, thanks Coach."
the poaching in soccer is ridiculous with kids not having to sit out a year in residence. Nearly 1300 kids on the transfer portal in Men's Soccer. Low majors have to protect themselves.
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I couldn't find any salary information for Buzz Williams as the head coach at New Orleans compared to when he was an assistant at Marquette. But here are some listed mid-major head coaching salaries per USA Today:
Mike Rhoades, Virginia Commonwealth (A10) -- $1.2 million
Brian Dutcher, San Diego St. (MWC) -- $829,453
Nate Oats, Buffalo (MAC) -- $612,000
Tim Cluess, Iona (MAAC) -- $565, 261
Chris Jans, New Mexico St. (WAC) -- $429,000
T.J. Otzelberger, South Dakota St. (Summit) -- $400,000
Kyle Keller, Stephen F. Austin (Southland) -- $355,000
LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central (MEAC) -- $289,900
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/ (https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/)
Idaho State's new coach will make a base of $115,000. Obviously not a pittance but hardly living the high life.
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Idaho State's new coach will make a base of $115,000. Obviously not a pittance but hardly living the high life.
Idk, 115K might be living the high life once you factor in the cost of living for Pocatello
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Idaho State's new coach will make a base of $115,000. Obviously not a pittance but hardly living the high life.
Meh, makes 49k more then I do and I am at the 85% for my age. So he's not doing to rough. I'm living pretty comfortably.
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Idaho State's new coach will make a base of $115,000. Obviously not a pittance but hardly living the high life.
I'm sure 115000 goes quite far in a state like Idaho. But still good point
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I'm sure 115000 goes quite far in a state like Idaho. But still good point
My main point is there is a significant gap between the top and bottom and not everyone in the coaching industry is rolling in dough. Looney, as a head coach, is making significantly less than assistants at major programs. Then put him in a room with guys like Cal, Izzo, K, or even mid-major guys like Marshall and even Leitao and he's bottom of the barrel salary wise.
And, the worst part, he has to live in Pocatello, ID.
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I couldn't find any salary information for Buzz Williams as the head coach at New Orleans compared to when he was an assistant at Marquette. But here are some listed mid-major head coaching salaries per USA Today:
Mike Rhoades, Virginia Commonwealth (A10) -- $1.2 million
Brian Dutcher, San Diego St. (MWC) -- $829,453
Nate Oats, Buffalo (MAC) -- $612,000
Tim Cluess, Iona (MAAC) -- $565, 261
Chris Jans, New Mexico St. (WAC) -- $429,000
T.J. Otzelberger, South Dakota St. (Summit) -- $400,000
Kyle Keller, Stephen F. Austin (Southland) -- $355,000
LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central (MEAC) -- $289,900
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/ (https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/)
What's the story with Cluess? Why hasn't he attracted high major interest?
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What's the story with Cluess? Why hasn't he attracted high major interest?
Rumor was that St. John's offered him the HC job when Mullin "stepped down" but Cluess turned them down. Which is especially interesting given that Cluess is an alum. Could be he's just happy at Iona.
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Rumor was that St. John's offered him the HC job when Mullin "stepped down" but Cluess turned them down. Which is especially interesting given that Cluess is an alum. Could be he's just happy at Iona.
All the stories indicate St John's admin was a complete crapshow. Pretty sure all their top targets turned them down because the leadership is clueless and bad at their jobs.
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All the stories indicate St John's admin was a complete crapshow. Pretty sure all their top targets turned them down because the leadership is clueless and bad at their jobs.
You might even say they were "Cluess"
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What's the story with Cluess? Why hasn't he attracted high major interest?
I think Cluess has a solid gig where he is at. Iona is an attractive mid major job. Good history and tradition and the school is attractive to kids for recruiting purposes. Why give that up for all the lunacy of The Johnny program?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/3077562002
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Rumor was that St. John's offered him the HC job when Mullin "stepped down" but Cluess turned them down. Which is especially interesting given that Cluess is an alum. Could be he's just happy at Iona.
Cluess was never offered, that was the crux of it being a crapshot. The AD wanted him but the President and General Counsel (former interim AD) wanted Moser. Cluess then resisted overtures after Moser turned them down.