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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on July 15, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
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Sam seems a bit salty.
Sitting in his basement for an interview in central Wisconsin, talking about some of that backlash, Sam Hauser can only shake his head: “My opinion is that you should probably just say, ‘Congratulations,’ and not, ‘Congrats, but why didn’t you go here or here?’ I wish people could just leave it there. It’s like, I’m sorry, but your opinion was not in my head when I was making this decision. I’m not too worried about what people think.”
Other than that, nothing earth-shattering. Refuses to discuss his reasons for leaving; says he wants a year off to get better so he'll be drafted; thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter at Virginia (?).
FWIW, an Athletic subscription is very much worth the price, if you care about the teams they cover.
https://theathletic.com/1073521/
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Guy wants to be congratulated by the fans of the team he bailed on?
:o
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Good luck to the guy, but he's not De'Andre Hunter.
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Guy wants to be congratulated by the fans of the team he bailed on?
:o
I think he's talking about locals who wanted him to go to UW.
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I think he's talking about locals who wanted him to go to UW.
Oh that makes more sense.
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Doesn’t care what people think but posted his decision on twitter and read the replies. Got it.
Good luck, Sam..
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I think he's talking about locals who wanted him to go to UW.
I think this as well. However, who would be offering congratulations?
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I think he's talking about locals who wanted him to go to UW.
That seems most likely. But the whole "I don't care about anyone else's opinion" is a sure sign that he cares about everyone else's opinion. People who don't care don't feel the need to broadcast how much they don't care.
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That seems most likely. But the whole "I don't care about anyone else's opinion" is a sure sign that he cares about everyone else's opinion. People who don't care don't feel the need to broadcast how much they don't care.
+1
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Sam seems a bit salty.
Sitting in his basement for an interview in central Wisconsin, talking about some of that backlash, Sam Hauser can only shake his head: “My opinion is that you should probably just say, ‘Congratulations,’ and not, ‘Congrats, but why didn’t you go here or here?’ I wish people could just leave it there. It’s like, I’m sorry, but your opinion was not in my head when I was making this decision. I’m not too worried about what people think.”
Other than that, nothing earth-shattering. Refuses to discuss his reasons for leaving; says he wants a year off to get better so he'll be drafted; thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter at Virginia (?).
FWIW, an Athletic subscription is very much worth the price, if you care about the teams they cover.
https://theathletic.com/1073521/
WHAT?? Lol.
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I think MU fans were hurt, but ultimately appreciative of his 3 years, and have expressed that sentiment online. The UW crowd feels jilted twice, he lives in heavy UW territory, and my guess is that some of his local pals have not been kind.
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I think Sam means he will be used on offense like Deandre Hunter, not that he'll be the #4 pick in the NBA draft.
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I think MU fans were hurt, but ultimately appreciative of his 3 years, and have expressed that sentiment online. The UW crowd feels jilted twice, he lives in heavy UW territory, and my guess is that some of his local pals have not been kind.
I think they were only jilted by Sam once. UW didn't offer as I recall, and some were saying that MU was only going after him to get Joey.
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I think Sam means he will be used on offense like Deandre Hunter, not that he'll be the #4 pick in the NBA draft.
Without cutting-and-pasting too much of the story, Sam's basically saying he sees himself as a "do-it-all" multi-position player (a switchable?) and not just a shooter. He sees his lack of FTA as an area in need of improvement.
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He also said that after the hip surgery he feels like the year off to work on his game will be beneficial. He felt like he could have been better last season if he had more time "to get his legs under him."
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FWIW, I heard whispers he wouldn’t have played next year had he stayed at Marquette because of the hip still being injured. I didn’t put much stock in it and still don’t but this makes me at least consider it
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He also said that after the hip surgery he feels like the year off to work on his game will be beneficial. He felt like he could have been better last season if he had more time "to get his legs under him."
Don't tell Paint Touches. Or the head ball coach.
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I think he's talking about locals who wanted him to go to UW.
This is probably it. Wisco fans are extremely toxic and hostile. More so the more North you get.
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He also said that after the hip surgery he feels like the year off to work on his game will be beneficial. He felt like he could have been better last season if he had more time "to get his legs under him."
Huh, that actually makes a lot of sense. Never thought of that one.
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Sam Hauser leaving after 3 years is a tragic loss to the program.
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He also said that after the hip surgery he feels like the year off to work on his game will be beneficial. He felt like he could have been better last season if he had more time "to get his legs under him."
This makes sense in that he's looking at the year off to get completely healthy. He's using the system to what he thinks is his advantage. I don't think he could conceivably do that at MU both on team need and public fallout. Whatever problems were going on at MU got him thinking about transferring and this could have been the impetus positively for him that ended up playing a big role in his decision.
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Sam Hauser leaving after 3 years is a tragic loss to the program.
Loss, yes. Tragic, not really. #perspective
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I think this as well. However, who would be offering congratulations?
I think he is likely talking about friends, and extended family. They should be happy for him, and want what is best for him, but because they are likely badger fans too, end up asking why, instead of offering congratulations.
I'd find that frustrating if I were him too.
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Sam Hauser leaving after 3 years is a tragic loss to the program.
The program may never recover.
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This is probably it. Wisco fans are extremely toxic and hostile. More so the more North you get.
The more north you get, the less they care. Lived there. Hunting and fishing takes priority over everything.
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That seems most likely. But the whole "I don't care about anyone else's opinion" is a sure sign that he cares about everyone else's opinion. People who don't care don't feel the need to broadcast how much they don't care.
Yep.
He certainly had a right to go wherever he wanted, but he sounds surprised and hurt that MU and UW-Madison fans weren't thrilled with his decision. Earth to Sam?
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Sam didn't say he thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter. That's an intentionally misleading summary of the article. The part of the story that covers this is quoted below:
"When being re-recruited by Virginia, Hauser was sold on the idea of filling a De’Andre Hunter-type role for Bennett. Hunter, now with the Atlanta Hawks, was the do-it-all wing who was the difference between the Cavs being a great team and being an elite team capable of winning a national title. One key difference you will note, though, is Hunter attempted 289 2-point baskets and 105 3-point baskets last season. Hauser is nearly the opposite. He attempted 158 2-pointers and 219 3-pointers. This is where Hauser’s attention is centered as he prepares to take the floor in 2020-21."
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Sam didn't say he thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter. That's an intentionally misleading summary of the article. The part of the story that covers this is quoted below:
"When being re-recruited by Virginia, Hauser was sold on the idea of filling a De’Andre Hunter-type role for Bennett. Hunter, now with the Atlanta Hawks, was the do-it-all wing who was the difference between the Cavs being a great team and being an elite team capable of winning a national title. One key difference you will note, though, is Hunter attempted 289 2-point baskets and 105 3-point baskets last season. Hauser is nearly the opposite. He attempted 158 2-pointers and 219 3-pointers. This is where Hauser’s attention is centered as he prepares to take the floor in 2020-21."
That makes much more sense.
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Sam didn't say he thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter. That's an intentionally misleading summary of the article. The part of the story that covers this is quoted below:
"When being re-recruited by Virginia, Hauser was sold on the idea of filling a De’Andre Hunter-type role for Bennett. Hunter, now with the Atlanta Hawks, was the do-it-all wing who was the difference between the Cavs being a great team and being an elite team capable of winning a national title. One key difference you will note, though, is Hunter attempted 289 2-point baskets and 105 3-point baskets last season. Hauser is nearly the opposite. He attempted 158 2-pointers and 219 3-pointers. This is where Hauser’s attention is centered as he prepares to take the floor in 2020-21."
Jesus, dude, I was paraphrasing so as not to rip off the entire article.
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I think he is likely talking about friends, and extended family. They should be happy for him, and want what is best for him, but because they are likely badger fans too, end up asking why, instead of offering congratulations.
I'd find that frustrating if I were him too.
I think it's reasonable for someone to say, "Congratulations! What made you choose X over Y?".
If he wants to play in the NBA he better get used to tougher questions than that.
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Jesus, dude, I was paraphrasing so as not to rip off the entire article.
Yeah, but the paraphrasing led to a different conclusion than the reading.
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Yeah, but the paraphrasing led to a different conclusion than the reading.
I suppose I should have made things clearer for the Scoop readers who assumed Sam believed he would spend the next year slowly morphing into an entirely different person.
My bad.
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Jesus, dude, I was paraphrasing so as not to rip off the entire article.
In your OP, you wrote, “Thinks he’ll be De’Andre Hunter at Virginia (?).” Why the question mark? The article clearly explains it and even points out that Hunter and Hauser are entirely different players. What’s more, saying “thinks he’ll be De’Andre Hunter” and “he was sold on filling a De’Andre Hunter-type role” are two entirely different things. One makes Hauser look like a dolt who has his head in the clouds, the other just gives the reader an idea of how he was sold on the program and what kind of role he might play within that system.
Saying “thinks he’ll be De’Andre Hunter” would be like if I wrote, “Hauser thought it would’ve been better if he’d sat out the NIT his sophomore year to get an extra month of rehab time.” That’s not true and isn’t what the article said, right?
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In your OP, you wrote, “Thinks he’ll be De’Andre Hunter at Virginia (?).” Why the question mark?
Because Sam's game is nothing like Hunter's game. Sam is a spot up shooter with a decent post up game when matched up against a smaller defender. Hunter, while also a good shooter, is really defined by his length, athleticism and defense, particularly on-ball defense. Sam is a very good player, but those are not his finer traits.
They aren't similar players.
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Sam seems a bit salty.
Sitting in his basement for an interview in central Wisconsin, talking about some of that backlash, Sam Hauser can only shake his head: “My opinion is that you should probably just say, ‘Congratulations,’ and not, ‘Congrats, but why didn’t you go here or here?’ I wish people could just leave it there. It’s like, I’m sorry, but your opinion was not in my head when I was making this decision. I’m not too worried about what people think.”
Other than that, nothing earth-shattering. Refuses to discuss his reasons for leaving; says he wants a year off to get better so he'll be drafted; thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter at Virginia (?).
Sam is a top 5 draft lottery pick ;D ;D ;D ;D
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After reading both Sam's and Joey's interviews in the Athletic, the #1 thing I took away was a reminder that we're talking about two kids in their early 20's.
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After reading both Sam's and Joey's interviews in the Athletic, the #1 thing I took away was a reminder that we're talking about two kids in their early 20's.
Well, in 2 days this will be true.
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Because Sam's game is nothing like Hunter's game. Sam is a spot up shooter with a decent post up game when matched up against a smaller defender. Hunter, while also a good shooter, is really defined by his length, athleticism and defense, particularly on-ball defense. Sam is a very good player, but those are not his finer traits.
They aren't similar players.
Which is why the article said that Hauser is “nearly the opposite” of Hunter.
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Which is why the article said that Hauser is “nearly the opposite” of Hunter.
Which is why I question whether Sam "Nearly the Opposite of Hunter" Hauser will fill a De'Andre Hunter-type role with the Cavs.
Like, do you see Sam guarding the likes of Zion Williamson and Jarrett Culver for Virginia? I don't.
This isn't the personal affront on Sam you're trying to make it. Stop looking for a reason to be offended.
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So no one yet is convinced that these two are complete bi+ches?? And were two huge forces in derailing the season. One only need read these two interviews and then compare them to the one that jamal cain just gave. Just watch any foul that was ever called on Sam to see if hes an fin cry baby or not. Kids belonged at wisconsin
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I'm sure he'll get over it.
His response reminds me of a line from 10cc's "I'm Not In Love": "Big boys don't cry. Big boy's don't cry. Big boys don't cry...."
Go Warriors!
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After reading both Sam's and Joey's interviews in the Athletic, the #1 thing I took away was a reminder that we're talking about two kids in their early 20's.
How many years until Markus is in his 20s? Still gotta be a few, eh?
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The more north you get, the less they care. Lived there. Hunting and fishing takes priority over everything.
they have to hear about it first-news hasn't gotten to jim's bait shop yet ;D
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Loss, yes. Tragic, not really. #perspective
From the perspective of Marquette Basketball, it is tragic.
#perspectiveisrelative eh?
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So no one yet is convinced that these two are complete bi+ches?? And were two huge forces in derailing the season. One only need read these two interviews and then compare them to the one that jamal cain just gave. Just watch any foul that was ever called on Sam to see if hes an fin cry baby or not. Kids belonged at wisconsin
Now this is...pure hogwash.
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Which is why the article said that Hauser is “nearly the opposite” of Hunter.
No, that had nothing to do with why the article said that Hauser is “nearly the opposite” of Hunter. It said that based on the proportion of 2 point to 3 point shots those two attempt.
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FWIW, I heard whispers he wouldn’t have played next year had he stayed at Marquette because of the hip still being injured. I didn’t put much stock in it and still don’t but this makes me at least consider it
I heard this same whisper. Not sure what to make of it
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Kind of makes you wonder if the way the staff handled Sam's sophomore year injury was dumb and dangerous after all.
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Kind of makes you wonder if the way the staff handled Sam's sophomore year injury was dumb and dangerous after all.
Oh, I've forgotten about this.
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Now this is...pure hogwash.
Should probably be in the dooms day thread, but when Willie seems rational and reasonable.....ya've done something. Sand-Knit is now kind of the Scoop Idiot Mountain. Well Done.
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Kind of makes you wonder if the way the staff handled Sam's sophomore year injury was dumb and dangerous after all.
Nah. The whole point of the PT article was that playing him would make the injury worse. That didn't happen and he had the surgery.
I doubt having the surgery a couple weeks earlier would have made much of a difference.
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I'm not so sure. We'll never know if it made it worse, but Sam specifically mentioned not having enough rehab time:
“I had a good junior season, but think it could’ve been better if I would’ve had more time to get my legs under me,” Hauser says. “This whole year (sitting out) is going to make up for what I missed."
If the surgery happens a few weeks earlier, if he doesn't play on it the day after the injury occurs and 3 more times in the following weeks, if he has close to another month of recovery time, maybe it comes out different. No way to know for certain, but Sam certainly infers that the timing of injury and recovery impeded his production last year.
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I'm not so sure. We'll never know if it made it worse, but Sam specifically mentioned not having enough rehab time:
“I had a good junior season, but think it could’ve been better if I would’ve had more time to get my legs under me,” Hauser says. “This whole year (sitting out) is going to make up for what I missed."
If the surgery happens a few weeks earlier, if he doesn't play on it the day after the injury occurs and 3 more times in the following weeks, if he has close to another month of recovery time, maybe it comes out different. No way to know for certain, but Sam certainly infers that the timing of injury and recovery impeded his production last year.
I don't disagree, but I would say that doesn't rise to the level of "dumb and dangerous." But maybe that was hyperbole from the beginning.
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Another point in the argument/discussion about whether a college athlete is obligated to play in a lesser bowl game, or the NIT. Sam wasn't a senior and hadn't declared for the draft. His absence would have certainly meant winning fewer NIT games. He chose to play and now says it impacted his next season.
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I'm not so sure. We'll never know if it made it worse, but Sam specifically mentioned not having enough rehab time:
“I had a good junior season, but think it could’ve been better if I would’ve had more time to get my legs under me,” Hauser says. “This whole year (sitting out) is going to make up for what I missed."
If the surgery happens a few weeks earlier, if he doesn't play on it the day after the injury occurs and 3 more times in the following weeks, if he has close to another month of recovery time, maybe it comes out different. No way to know for certain, but Sam certainly infers that the timing of injury and recovery impeded his production last year.
Sounds like a lot of rationalizing away a sub-par finish to the season to me.
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Scoop AND especially the Hausers need to move on. Super Bar.
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I'm not so sure. We'll never know if it made it worse, but Sam specifically mentioned not having enough rehab time:
“I had a good junior season, but think it could’ve been better if I would’ve had more time to get my legs under me,” Hauser says. “This whole year (sitting out) is going to make up for what I missed."
If the surgery happens a few weeks earlier, if he doesn't play on it the day after the injury occurs and 3 more times in the following weeks, if he has close to another month of recovery time, maybe it comes out different. No way to know for certain, but Sam certainly infers that the timing of injury and recovery impeded his production last year.
This seems a stretch.
Sam's simply saying he believes he could have played better with a regular offseason, as opposed to one spent rehabbing. Which seems completely normal. To twist that into a criticism of the coaching staff allowing him to play - which he wanted and everyone agreed would not cause further harm - is going out of one's way to find something to complain about (which seems to be a Scoop theme of late).
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From the perspective of Marquette Basketball, it is tragic.
#perspectiveisrelative eh?
We will not know for months, perhaps not for 8 months, how "tragic" it was. If we have as good as or better season in 2019-20 without him than we did in 2018-19 with him, and if we have a good recruiting class, it will not have been the least bit tragic. If the opposite happens and the program goes to shyte, I'm not sure "tragic" is the word I'd use but I'd at least understand the notion of it.
I am one who thought Hausershima would make recruiting more difficult for Wojo. Signing Symir was a nice start to prove otherwise, but it has not yet been followed up. I'm optimistic it will be. We'll see.
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Sounds like the ages old rationalizations and excuse making of a turn tail loser. Taking my ball and going home and making excuses. Sure it may have impeded him but that sure goes against everything that we have seen with this staff of holding out players when anything is in doubt. Hell he could of sat out the non con season or the first month if practices etc. Every action and word that oozes out of these two show me nothing but prima donna excuse making losers. Glad they are gone, they are the architects of the fall of one of the potentially best MU seasons in a long time and i will always see them as just that
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I'm not so sure. We'll never know if it made it worse, but Sam specifically mentioned not having enough rehab time:
“I had a good junior season, but think it could’ve been better if I would’ve had more time to get my legs under me,” Hauser says. “This whole year (sitting out) is going to make up for what I missed."
If the surgery happens a few weeks earlier, if he doesn't play on it the day after the injury occurs and 3 more times in the following weeks, if he has close to another month of recovery time, maybe it comes out different. No way to know for certain, but Sam certainly infers that the timing of injury and recovery impeded his production last year.
No offense to Sam, because I enjoyed him as a player, but this seems like a pretty weak excuse. Didn't he say multiple times that he would be/was 100% by the time the season started? If Markus doesn't have as good of a year next year as we're all hoping and comes out and says that it would have been better if he could have had an entire off-season with a healthy wrist, many of the Markus haters here would absolutely blast him.
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No offense to Sam, because I enjoyed him as a player, but this seems like a pretty weak excuse. Didn't he say multiple times that he would be/was 100% by the time the season started? If Markus doesn't have as good of a year next year as we're all hoping and comes out and says that it would have been better if he could have had an entire off-season with a healthy wrist, many of the Markus haters here would absolutely blast him.
Superb point.
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This seems a stretch.
Sam's simply saying he believes he could have played better with a regular offseason, as opposed to one spent rehabbing. Which seems completely normal. To twist that into a criticism of the coaching staff allowing him to play - which he wanted and everyone agreed would not cause further harm - is going out of one's way to find something to complain about (which seems to be a Scoop theme of late).
Agree with this take.
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Sam is an athlete and competitor. For the same reason that he gutted through the DePaul game and Villanova game the next day, and the NIT after, it's entirely possible he was willing to start the season full contact even if he wasn't 100%.
Did Sam agree to play? Yes. I also think Sam is the type of player who's going to go out there regardless and give it his all. As is Markus, clearly. I think it's silly to overly criticize a competitor for competing as that's what legends (Willis Reed, Jordan flu game, etc) are made of. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think those competitors might, given the benefit of hindsight, realize that playing through pain in the moment was a poor decision.
Especially with college kids, it's incumbent on the adults in the room to be adults. For the coaches and family to recognize the risks. Maybe due diligence was done, but it's hard to say that a kid who was clearly hampered by injury at the time and is citing that injury as a reason for a year of decreased production now might not have benefited from 3 fewer weeks of wear and tear and 3 more weeks of rehab.
While "dumb and dangerous" was a bit hyperbolic, the points made in the article and the article itself hold up and are reinforced by Sam's own comments now.
https://painttouches.com/2018/03/21/greska-playing-hauser-was-dumb-and-dangerous/
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But did his production really decrease? He played more, shot more, scored more and rebounded more last year than he did in his previous two. The only thing he struggled with was his 3 point shooting. Was that due to injury or due to Rowsey being out of the picture?
I guess we will see if this is actually the case, but my guess is that he will have roughly the same Senior year as he did the previous two. I don't think there is some super-star player just waiting for an injury to heal.
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But did his production really decrease? He played more, shot more, scored more and rebounded more last year than he did in his previous two. The only thing he struggled with was his 3 point shooting. Was that due to injury or due to Rowsey being out of the picture?
I guess we will see if this is actually the case, but my guess is that he will have roughly the same Senior year as he did the previous two. I don't think there is some super-star player just waiting for an injury to heal.
Sam YTY http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2019&p=Sam%20Hauser&t=Marquette (http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2019&p=Sam%20Hauser&t=Marquette)
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Sam is an athlete and competitor. For the same reason that he gutted through the DePaul game and Villanova game the next day, and the NIT after, it's entirely possible he was willing to start the season full contact even if he wasn't 100%.
Did Sam agree to play? Yes. I also think Sam is the type of player who's going to go out there regardless and give it his all. As is Markus, clearly. I think it's silly to overly criticize a competitor for competing as that's what legends (Willis Reed, Jordan flu game, etc) are made of. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think those competitors might, given the benefit of hindsight, realize that playing through pain in the moment was a poor decision.
Especially with college kids, it's incumbent on the adults in the room to be adults. For the coaches and family to recognize the risks. Maybe due diligence was done, but it's hard to say that a kid who was clearly hampered by injury at the time and is citing that injury as a reason for a year of decreased production now might not have benefited from 3 fewer weeks of wear and tear and 3 more weeks of rehab.
While "dumb and dangerous" was a bit hyperbolic, the points made in the article and the article itself hold up and are reinforced by Sam's own comments now.
https://painttouches.com/2018/03/21/greska-playing-hauser-was-dumb-and-dangerous/
Of course you can say that, but at what point do you draw the line when the only two options are sit out the entire year, or burn an entire year of eligibility? If Theo were to sprain his ankle and miss a week of off-season workouts he wouldn't get a full off-season to improve but if the idea of red-shirting him was presented it would get immediately laughed at. There were whispers that Matt was never fully healthy after the weight room incident with his foot, but given the depth at his position as well as his skill-set I think the idea of him red-shirting would also get laughed at.
At the end of the day, the coaching staff and doctors have to make what they believe is the right decision. It may turn out to end up being the wrong decision, but I refuse to believe that anyone on our coaching staff did anything that wasn't in a players best interests health wise, which is what the PT article insinuates in its title.
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Sam is an athlete and competitor. For the same reason that he gutted through the DePaul game and Villanova game the next day, and the NIT after, it's entirely possible he was willing to start the season full contact even if he wasn't 100%.
Did Sam agree to play? Yes. I also think Sam is the type of player who's going to go out there regardless and give it his all. As is Markus, clearly. I think it's silly to overly criticize a competitor for competing as that's what legends (Willis Reed, Jordan flu game, etc) are made of. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think those competitors might, given the benefit of hindsight, realize that playing through pain in the moment was a poor decision.
Especially with college kids, it's incumbent on the adults in the room to be adults. For the coaches and family to recognize the risks. Maybe due diligence was done, but it's hard to say that a kid who was clearly hampered by injury at the time and is citing that injury as a reason for a year of decreased production now might not have benefited from 3 fewer weeks of wear and tear and 3 more weeks of rehab.
While "dumb and dangerous" was a bit hyperbolic, the points made in the article and the article itself hold up and are reinforced by Sam's own comments now.
https://painttouches.com/2018/03/21/greska-playing-hauser-was-dumb-and-dangerous/
Should probably throw out the "college kids" narrative. There's adults who were younger than him fighting in the military, adults younger than him married with kids, working 9-5 paying bills etc. he's an adult not a kid.
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Should probably throw out the "college kids" narrative. There's adults who were younger than him fighting in the military, adults younger than him married with kids, working 9-5 paying bills etc. he's an adult not a kid.
There are, and as I was once one, I'm 10,000% confident in saying you're more likely to make dumb decisions as an 18-22 year old "adult" than you are once you gain some experience in the world.
That's not a slam on Sam or young adults, it's simply the stark reality that you can't make decisions with the benefit of experience without experience.
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There are, and as I was once one, I'm 10,000% confident in saying you're more likely to make dumb decisions as an 18-22 year old "adult" than you are once you gain some experience in the world.
That's not a slam on Sam or young adults, it's simply the stark reality that you can't make decisions with the benefit of experience without experience.
No argument here. Just nitpicking because calling him a kid takes responsibility off of him.
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Sam is an athlete and competitor. For the same reason that he gutted through the DePaul game and Villanova game the next day, and the NIT after, it's entirely possible he was willing to start the season full contact even if he wasn't 100%.
Did Sam agree to play? Yes. I also think Sam is the type of player who's going to go out there regardless and give it his all. As is Markus, clearly. I think it's silly to overly criticize a competitor for competing as that's what legends (Willis Reed, Jordan flu game, etc) are made of. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think those competitors might, given the benefit of hindsight, realize that playing through pain in the moment was a poor decision.
Especially with college kids, it's incumbent on the adults in the room to be adults. For the coaches and family to recognize the risks. Maybe due diligence was done, but it's hard to say that a kid who was clearly hampered by injury at the time and is citing that injury as a reason for a year of decreased production now might not have benefited from 3 fewer weeks of wear and tear and 3 more weeks of rehab.
While "dumb and dangerous" was a bit hyperbolic, the points made in the article and the article itself hold up and are reinforced by Sam's own comments now.
https://painttouches.com/2018/03/21/greska-playing-hauser-was-dumb-and-dangerous/
First, nobody here is criticizing Sam for competing, much less "overly" criticizing him for it. I think we all agree that his playing through the injury is testament to his toughness.
"Dumb and dangerous" was more than "a bit" hyperbolic and it takes some pretzel logic to say Sam's comments to The Athletic reinforce that article. The article assailed the MU staff for risking the injury getting worse or causing another injury.
Some quotes:
"But there is clear evidence of untreated injuries causing further injuries to unrelated muscles and bones."
"Any odds, no matter how minimal, was not worth the potential for long term damage, particularly because the games were “only” NIT games."
"So all of this is to say, Wojo and Sam took a very unnecessary risk by playing Hauser in the NIT and didn’t really reap any rewards."
You know what the article didn't say? Anything about how delaying surgery would interfere with Sam's summer workouts and, as a result, make him less effective the following season. Not a single word in the article addresses that.
To come back now and say Sam's comments reinforce the article when the article never even addressed the impact Sam's preparations for the following season is wishful thinking.
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Of course you can say that, but at what point do you draw the line when the only two options are sit out the entire year, or burn an entire year of eligibility? If Theo were to sprain his ankle and miss a week of off-season workouts he wouldn't get a full off-season to improve but if the idea of red-shirting him was presented it would get immediately laughed at. There were whispers that Matt was never fully healthy after the weight room incident with his foot, but given the depth at his position as well as his skill-set I think the idea of him red-shirting would also get laughed at.
At the end of the day, the coaching staff and doctors have to make what they believe is the right decision. It may turn out to end up being the wrong decision, but I refuse to believe that anyone on our coaching staff did anything that wasn't in a players best interests health wise, which is what the PT article insinuates in its title.
We now have two instances where not resting a clearly injured star player may have led to a worse long term outcome. Sam wasn't 100% and seems to believe he never fully recovered. Markus wasn't 100% and couldn't sustain his play last year after the injury. Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's an indicator of a staff willing to take chances to get results.
I don't know. But this feels like another one of those cases where the anti-Wojo crowd would point to it as evidence he has to go, the pro-Wojo crowd would dismiss it as alarmism, and the rest of us would be stuck in the middle waiting for more evidence to push us one direction or the other.
I'm going to hope it's the former, but I'll certainly be attentive for the possibility it's the latter.
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We now have two instances where not resting a clearly injured star player may have led to a worse long term outcome. Sam wasn't 100% and seems to believe he never fully recovered. Markus wasn't 100% and couldn't sustain his play last year after the injury. Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's an indicator of a staff willing to take chances to get results.
I don't know. But this feels like another one of those cases where the anti-Wojo crowd would point to it as evidence he has to go, the pro-Wojo crowd would dismiss it as alarmism, and the rest of us would be stuck in the middle waiting for more evidence to push us one direction or the other.
I'm going to hope it's the former, but I'll certainly be attentive for the possibility it's the latter.
What about when they sat Markus for the Georgetown game after a few minutes of play?
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Some quotes:
"But there is clear evidence of untreated injuries causing further injuries to unrelated muscles and bones."
"Any odds, no matter how minimal, was not worth the potential for long term damage, particularly because the games were “only” NIT games."
You know what the article didn't say? Anything about how delaying the surgery would interfere with Sam's summer workouts and, as a result, make him less effective the following season. Not a single word in the article addresses that question.
To come back now and say Sam's comments reinforce the article when the article never even addressed the impact Sam's preparations for the following season is wishful thinking.
The portions you quoted disprove your assertion. "Further injuries" and "potential for long term damage" both indicate future risks, which would include rehab time over the summer and his efficacy as a player going forward. It's not wishful thinking, it's literally right there in the part of the article you cite.
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The portions you quoted disprove your assertion. "Further injuries" and "potential for long term damage" both indicate future risks, which would include rehab time over the summer and his efficacy as a player going forward. It's not wishful thinking, it's literally right there in the part of the article you cite.
And this is the pretzel logic I mention.
The article repeatedly says the risk was worsening the injury or causing one more serious. It even cites the Bonzie Colson case as an example of what was at risk. the fact is Sam didn't worsen the injury or suffer a more serious one.
It says not one word about how delaying the surgery would impact Sam's 2018-19. You are squinting very hard to make that inference in order to defend what remains a very bad article.
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We now have two instances where not resting a clearly injured star player may have led to a worse long term outcome. Sam wasn't 100% and seems to believe he never fully recovered. Markus wasn't 100% and couldn't sustain his play last year after the injury. Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's an indicator of a staff willing to take chances to get results.
I don't know. But this feels like another one of those cases where the anti-Wojo crowd would point to it as evidence he has to go, the pro-Wojo crowd would dismiss it as alarmism, and the rest of us would be stuck in the middle waiting for more evidence to push us one direction or the other.
I'm going to hope it's the former, but I'll certainly be attentive for the possibility it's the latter.
If anyone really believes that I would hope that they re-evaluate their fandom. As much as I love winning, I would never want a player risking their long term health in an attempt to win a basketball game. The only recent instance I can think of where this actually happened was when Carlino got his concussion against Nova and came back into the game. Iirc Wojo took quite a bit of criticism for that decision on here, and deservedly so. As TT points out, Wojo pulled Markus against Gtown, as well as against CU two years ago when he was hurt. Wojo probably didn't handle the whole Hauser situation perfectly (again, we don't have all the facts but it's safe to assume he shares some of the blame), but I very much doubt that he would play him or anyone if a doctor told him that they were at serious risk.
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And this is the pretzel logic I mention.
The article repeatedly says the risk was worsening the injury or causing one more serious. It even cites the Bonzie Colson case as an example of what was at risk. the fact is Sam didn't worsen the injury or suffer a more serious one.
It says not one word about how delaying the surgery would impact Sam's 2018-19. You are squinting very hard to make that inference in order to defend what remains a very bad article.
You're being ridiculous. If it's pretzel logic to go from "potential for long-term damage" to "impact Sam's 2018-19" (literally an example of long-term) then you must only be familiar with one type of pretzel:
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How does this take on Sam's injury square with how Wojo handled Greg Elliott's thumb last season? To think Wojo played Sam when he shouldn't is ridiculous and contrary to the evidence in plain view.
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If anyone really believes that I would hope that they re-evaluate their fandom. As much as I love winning, I would never want a player risking their long term health in an attempt to win a basketball game. The only recent instance I can think of where this actually happened was when Carlino got his concussion against Nova and came back into the game. Iirc Wojo took quite a bit of criticism for that decision on here, and deservedly so. As TT points out, Wojo pulled Markus against Gtown, as well as against CU two years ago when he was hurt. Wojo probably didn't handle the whole Hauser situation perfectly (again, we don't have all the facts but it's safe to assume he shares some of the blame), but I very much doubt that he would play him or anyone if a doctor told him that they were at serious risk.
Maybe the doctors said there wasn't a serious lifelong risk. That doesn't mean immediate rehab in Sam's or Markus' case wouldn't improve their outcomes in the medium term or the next year. That doesn't mean that their efficacy as players wasn't harmed by continuing to play when they were clearly not 100%.
I don't think anyone can begin to argue that Sam wasn't 100% at the end of 2018 or that Markus wasn't 100% at the end of 2019. I fully believe that those two instances are completely indisputable. Watching them on the court, the numbers they put up, the efficiency with which they played, there's zero doubt both players were lessor because of the injuries they sustained. Maybe sitting out in those cases wouldn't have led to further damage later in life, but that doesn't mean they were able to rehab as quickly or effectively and it doesn't mean that the team wasn't hampered because those guys weren't at 100%.
Like I said, maybe it's just coincidence. That's what I'm hoping is the case. But it's not unfathomable that a coach under pressure to win after 4 and now 5 years with zero NCAA wins might not be willing to hope his best players can gut out a big performance in the now rather than considering what impact it might have 8-12 months from now.
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You're being ridiculous. If it's pretzel logic to go from "potential for long-term damage" to "impact Sam's 2018-19" (literally an example of long-term) then you must only be familiar with one type of pretzel:
Like look at Brew computing how Sam's comments reinforce the bad PT article.
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How does this take on Sam's injury square with how Wojo handled Greg Elliott's thumb last season? To think Wojo played Sam when he shouldn't is ridiculous and contrary to the evidence in plain view.
Not necessarily. Consider Miracle. Doc tells Herb that there's no risk of further injury in the moment. Because they were only playing for the moment (do or die tournament) Herb opted to keep playing his guy because the moment was what was important. If there was a risk of further injury, he would've sat him.
Now consider Greg and Sam. Maybe there was immediate further risk if Greg comes back or keeps playing. Maybe for Sam there was no immediate further risk. But just because the injury wasn't going to get worse in the moment doesn't mean it might not delay rehab and worsen outcomes in the future.
Also, and maybe I'll get more flack for this, I find it almost completely implausible that playing someone who is demonstrably injured doesn't increase the risk of other unrelated injuries. If you are compensating for one injury, that is naturally going to place further stress on the other parts of your body that will inevitably be put under greater than usual stress due to that compensation. Maybe sometimes it won't matter, like in the case of a wrist (Markus) that isn't often a load-bearing appendage. But maybe sometimes it will. Playing on an injured knee could certainly increase stress to the opposing knee, back, or any number of other parts of the body.
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Like look at Brew computing how Sam's comments reinforce the bad PT article.
It's literally a straight line. There's not even a fork in the road. Your own post proves it. But keep twisting.
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If you only play players when they're 100% Cam would have been going up against Ja. I can fully guarantee that match-up would not have ended well. Playing at less than 100% and playing with potentially life-long impacts are miles apart.
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It's literally a straight line. There's not even a fork in the road. Your own post proves it. But keep twisting.
OK, I'll say it one more time and drop it.
The PT story was 100 percent about Sam risking a new injury or worsening the injury. It said nothing about the rehab or its impact on his offseason.
Sam's comments to The Athletic were 100 percent about rehabbing an injury that was neither new nor worsened by him continuing to play. He said nothing about a new injury or it being made worse by playing.
They in no way reinforce the PT story.
You're connecting dots that don't exist.
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No offense to Sam, because I enjoyed him as a player, but this seems like a pretty weak excuse. Didn't he say multiple times that he would be/was 100% by the time the season started? If Markus doesn't have as good of a year next year as we're all hoping and comes out and says that it would have been better if he could have had an entire off-season with a healthy wrist, many of the Markus haters here would absolutely blast him.
I think this is less an excuse and more a way to justify and/or find a silver lining in having to sit a year at a point in his career when most players wouldn't be willing to do so.
And a sidenote - I don't think there are any Markus haters on this board. There are people who get frustrated at times (mostly due to having extremely high expectations), but I don't think anyone could actually be classified as a hater.
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And a sidenote - I don't think there are any Markus haters on this board. There are people who get frustrated at times (mostly due to having extremely high expectations), but I don't think anyone could actually be classified as a hater.
Most are not Markus haters. There are definitely a handful.
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OK, I'll say it one more time and drop it.
The PT story was 100 percent about Sam risking a new injury or worsening the injury. It said nothing about the rehab or its impact on his offseason.
Sam's comments to The Athletic were 100 percent about rehabbing an injury that was neither new nor worsened by him continuing to play. He said nothing about a new injury or it being made worse by playing.
They in no way reinforce the PT story.
You're connecting dots that don't exist.
You literally quoted "long term". You put two dots on a piece of paper and can't figure out how to connect them.
Clearly you didn't read the article. Paragraph 1 talks about the timetable of recovery being 4-5 months. Paragraph 6 talks about the NIT games not mattering to this season and Sam's importance to the next year and Wojo's future. Paragraph 14 talks about the potential for long term damage, which you cited. And the final paragraph talks about the what if of this situation happening again in the future.
The article repeatedly talks about the potential impact beyond 2018. Honestly, the entire pretense is that those games in 2018 weren't important enough to risk that future. Any other reading is grossly inaccurate.
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What Sam suffered from was this: an inability to create his own shot.
Sam could’ve had surgery on his hip in April of 2017, not played the entire 2017-2018 season, and had a full offseason of work going into the 2018-2019 season and guess what? Sam still wouldn’t be able to create his own shot.
And now the coaching staff should not play any player that is not 100% fully healthy down the stretch of a season? If that’s the case, we’re going to be forfeiting a LOT of basketball games.
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What Sam suffered from was this: an inability to create his own shot.
Sam could’ve had surgery on his hip in April of 2017, not played the entire 2017-2018 season, and had a full offseason of work going into the 2018-2019 season and guess what? Sam still wouldn’t be able to create his own shot.
And now the coaching staff should not play any player that is not 100% fully healthy down the stretch of a season? If that’s the case, we’re going to be forfeiting a LOT of basketball games.
Better to sit out games in March than workouts in July. Duh.
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We now have two instances where not resting a clearly injured star player may have led to a worse long term outcome. Sam wasn't 100% and seems to believe he never fully recovered. Markus wasn't 100% and couldn't sustain his play last year after the injury. Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's an indicator of a staff willing to take chances to get results.
Or maybe it's an indicator that college kids get hurt playing basketball and oftentimes try to play through the injuries. It's not unique to Marquette and isn't unique to Wojo.
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In case there was any question as to Paint Touches intent... https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1151210021046427649?s=21
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Sam seems a bit salty.
Sitting in his basement for an interview in central Wisconsin, talking about some of that backlash, Sam Hauser can only shake his head: “My opinion is that you should probably just say, ‘Congratulations,’ and not, ‘Congrats, but why didn’t you go here or here?’ I wish people could just leave it there. It’s like, I’m sorry, but your opinion was not in my head when I was making this decision. I’m not too worried about what people think.”
Other than that, nothing earth-shattering. Refuses to discuss his reasons for leaving; says he wants a year off to get better so he'll be drafted; thinks he'll be De'Andre Hunter at Virginia (?).
FWIW, an Athletic subscription is very much worth the price, if you care about the teams they cover.
https://theathletic.com/1073521/
The Bolded has been my opinion since day one. The reason Sam was open to a transfer was because he knew he wasn't ready to be drafted. He, currently, is not athletic enough to be drafted. By sitting out a year, he can work on speed, dribbling, attacking the rim. I wouldn't be surprised if he would have transferred no matter what. Feedback from scout's had to be similar and he either sat a year at MU or transferred somewhere else.
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In case there was any question as to Paint Touches intent... https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1151210021046427649?s=21
Oh, geez.
Brew: Dear author of dumb article, please tell me you agree with my defense of your dumb article 15 months after the fact.
Author: I agree.
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Oh, geez.
Brew: Dear author of dumb article, please tell me you agree with my defense of your dumb article 15 months after the fact.
Author: I agree.
Pakuni: I can't connect two dots into a straight line when I've watched numerous people connect those same dots in front of me multiple times.
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In case there was any question as to Paint Touches intent... https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1151210021046427649?s=21
NM
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This has turned yummier then an Amazon debate with cheeks.
GO BREW!
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Yep, seems to always boil down to who do you believe.
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I think this is less an excuse and more a way to justify and/or find a silver lining in having to sit a year at a point in his career when most players wouldn't be willing to do so.
And a sidenote - I don't think there are any Markus haters on this board. There are people who get frustrated at times (mostly due to having extremely high expectations), but I don't think anyone could actually be classified as a hater.
Agree with your first point.
As to your second ...
There is one Scooper who came right out and called Markus a "cancer." Not sure how you define "hater," but I think calling a person a cancer indicates hatred toward that person.
I don't recall anybody else overtly calling him that, but not many of the Hauserites who at least partly blame Markus for their heroes' departure were admonishing that Scooper for calling Markus a "cancer." A few even seemed to support that Scooper.
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I just love the way people form opinions and support them vigorously without necessarily knowing basic facts. Case in point, do the folks going back and forth about Sam, the doctors, the staff, etc. know what exactly what the problem with Sam's hip was and/or the nature of the surgery? I don't. But I do know that there are several possible options in a young healthy male and that they have differing rehab programs and differing risks as to the possibilities long-term consequences.
I choose to believe that the doctors, training staff, coaches, parents, and the kid himself came to a collective decision regarding when to play in light of what risks there were, and that the bottom line was the kid's welfare, short-term and long-term. I wouldn't go to the mattresses on a phrase or two that a kid might use in an interview, since he may or may not be describing things accurately.
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Agree with your first point.
As to your second ...
There is one Scooper who came right out and called Markus a "cancer." Not sure how you define "hater," but I think calling a person a cancer indicates hatred toward that person.
I don't recall anybody else overtly calling him that, but not many of the Hauserites who at least partly blame Markus for their heroes' departure were admonishing that Scooper for calling Markus a "cancer." A few even seemed to support that Scooper.
C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
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In before the lock!
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Oh, and ND sucks.
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The Bolded has been my opinion since day one. The reason Sam was open to a transfer was because he knew he wasn't ready to be drafted. He, currently, is not athletic enough to be drafted. By sitting out a year, he can work on speed, dribbling, attacking the rim. I wouldn't be surprised if he would have transferred no matter what. Feedback from scout's had to be similar and he either sat a year at MU or transferred somewhere else.
I think there's a big PR element to his decision, as well. Had he stayed at MU, even if he had as good or an even better year as in the past, he likely wasn't getting drafted because nothing would stand out from the past. Now, he's going to be considered an "impact transfer" for the reigning national champs. Even if his numbers don't improve over what he put up at MU, his name will be out there more, and he'll be competing against Duke and UNC-level teams stocked with lottery picks.
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I think there's a big PR element to his decision, as well. Had he stayed at MU, even if he had as good or an even better year as in the past, he likely wasn't getting drafted because nothing would stand out from the past. Now, he's going to be considered an "impact transfer" for the reigning national champs. Even if his numbers don't improve over what he put up at MU, his name will be out there more, and he'll be competing against Duke and UNC-level teams stocked with lottery picks.
I hope this isnt true...if so, its the 'Bear Case' on MUBB and the BEast.
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C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
You're outrageous (and Fox News parroted) politically commentary not withstanding...
There's a difference between being a "hater" and have "hatred" for something. Calling someone a cancer, IMO, definitely puts them in the "hater" category. Doesn't mean they literally "hate" the individual.
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For those mentioning whispers of Sam not playing at MU next season due to his hip... did these whispers identify who the sitting out came from? Trainers/doctors? MU coaching staff? Sam/Hauser camp?
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I think there's a big PR element to his decision, as well. Had he stayed at MU, even if he had as good or an even better year as in the past, he likely wasn't getting drafted because nothing would stand out from the past. Now, he's going to be considered an "impact transfer" for the reigning national champs. Even if his numbers don't improve over what he put up at MU, his name will be out there more, and he'll be competing against Duke and UNC-level teams stocked with lottery picks.
NBA teams aren't going to be any more or less impressed by Sam because he's an "impact transfer" or the conference in which he's playing (especially when he'll be 4-5 years older than a lot of those lottery picks he's playing against).
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C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
Hatred is the strongest of terms. Cancer being just below it. The scoopers who refer to Markus as a cancer would rather he not be on the team because he is theoretically destroying it. There is little wiggle room for interpretation. I’m sure you understand the point being made and if it reflected your point of view you would not have stood up for that scooper.
Say someone said AL was a cancer back in the day, you and 82 would be on the same page defending Al I would hope.
When you aren’t posting gibberish you seem like a smart person. That post above is beneath you or you are simply trolling.
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NBA teams aren't going to be any more or less impressed by Sam because he's an "impact transfer" or the conference in which he's playing (especially when he'll be 4-5 years older than a lot of those lottery picks he's playing against).
I think this is pretty accurate. NBA scouts know their stuff. And while they may be a bit too heavily influenced by a strong March performance from time to time, a storyline like the one mentioned above probably doesn't move the needle on his draft stock.
It does seem likely that Sam sees Bennett as being more capable of getting him ready for the next level than Wojo, though. Maybe Sam sees guys like Ty Jerome and Kyle Guy getting drafted and thinks Bennett played a key role in their development. I could buy that.
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C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
One Scooper said there were "no Markus haters on this board." I simply pointed out that one came right out and called Markus a "cancer."
The rest of your comment was political. And stoopid as shyte. Enjoy your racist hero.
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I think this is pretty accurate. NBA scouts know their stuff. And while they may be a bit too heavily influenced by a strong March performance from time to time, a storyline like the one mentioned above probably doesn't move the needle on his draft stock.
It does seem likely that Sam sees Bennett as being more capable of getting him ready for the next level than Wojo, though. Maybe Sam sees guys like Ty Jerome and Kyle Guy getting drafted and thinks Bennett played a key role in their development. I could buy that.
While I disagree on the sentiment that NBA scouts are persuaded by the tournament at all (more likely the better players shine during it) I agree that Sam has the idea that Bennet will turn him into an nba product better then wojo will. Which probably has truth to it.
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One Scooper said there were "no Markus haters on this board." I simply pointed out that one came right out and called Markus a "cancer."
The rest of your comment was political. And stoopid as shyte. Enjoy your racist hero.
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C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
Terrible take. I hope that as a "doctor" you would understand cancer is not a word that should be used or thrown around lightly. Respect for you keeps going lower. You are reaching Cain level posts. Maybe you're one and the same.
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Terrible take. I hope that as a "doctor" you would understand cancer is not a word that should be used or thrown around lightly. Respect for you keeps going lower. You are reaching Cain level posts. Maybe you're one and the same.
Could be eh?
Though not sure when I said someone was a cancer.
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C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
No Doubt about the Look here.
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I can’t wait to see this season play out. Look out below!
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C'mon Nads, you know better than this. Rican's opinion does not, even by the widest margin, infer hatred. Do you hate white males? Wouldn't know otherwise by your constant interjected comments, even if they are not relevant to the topic.
Hatred? Look no further than AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
Sorry Doc, as far as I’m concerned Rican and the rest you mentioned are haters.
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Could be eh?
Though not sure when I said someone was a cancer.
Sorry, obvious it was about Herman
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I can’t wait to see this season play out. Look out below!
The best kind of Marquette fan.
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