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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on July 05, 2019, 04:01:16 PM
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https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Markus-Howard-Stan-Johnson--133445951/
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stan is really real...he ain't no b.s.'er...loud n clear
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Great shooter and appears to be a great representative of the school. Think there is more to being a great player. Hopefully he can show other skills on the court in the upcoming year.
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Great shooter and appears to be a great representative of the school. Think there is more to being a great player. Hopefully he can show other skills on the court in the upcoming year.
I mean I’d argue if you’re a Second Team All American (I’d add “as a 20 year old junior” but honestly even if you’re a 24 year old senior...) you’re a pretty great player. I guess we can debate semantics if needed though.
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Naturally, one should never take cancer for granted. It's a killer.
But seriously ...
I enjoyed hearing Stan's perspective on all of this, and I'm thrilled that Markus chose to be a Warrior and to keep being a Warrior.
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https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Markus-Howard-Stan-Johnson--133445951/
I agree . Markus is a legit All American and we don’t get many of those at MU. Enjoy him while he’s here .
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https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Markus-Howard-Stan-Johnson--133445951/
AMEN.
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https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Markus-Howard-Stan-Johnson--133445951/
Boom!
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As a Marquette grad my bet is that I'll be more proud of what Markus achieves off the basketball arena than what he accomplishes on the court and that my friends is saying a whole lot.
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Markus is a special player and from every account I've read a special person. Marquette is fortunate to have him.
Stan's thoughts are virtually identical to Wojo's of a month or two ago.
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Too late.
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Media relations is working overtime this off season.
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Media relations is working overtime this off season.
Because idiots like you call a Second Team All American a team cancer. LOL!
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Media relations is working overtime this off season.
Sad that they have to. Markus busts his ass on the court and has been a great representative of the university off the court. Too bad there are some alum that can’t or won’t support someone that seems to represent the university quite well.
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Because idiots like you call a Second Team All American a team cancer. LOL!
Me and the two starters who would rather sit out an entire year than share the court with him for another year.
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Align yourself with those who turned their backs after basically blowing up the locker room.
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Align yourself with those who turned their backs after basically blowing up the locker room.
Those with similar alignment are also cowards, which historically PRN fits in nicely.
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Me and the two starters who would rather sit out an entire year than share the court with him for another year.
All I know is that there were many reports that 3 or 4 other players were ready to leave. But as soon as Markus announced he was staying and the Hausers announced they were going, those 3 or 4 decided to stay.
So I wonder who the "cancers" were.
I actually don't. I don't think there were any cancers. What a thing to say about a player on a team one roots for, let alone one who does as much for the Marquette community as the young man you criticized.
I'll root for the one who wanted to be a Warrior, and the several others who did, too.
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It's not mutually exclusive both to appreciate the incredible individual college basketball player (and ambassador) that Markus is but also recognize that the way he's been utilized in the context of a team game by the coaching staff has been less than ideal.
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It's not mutually exclusive both to appreciate the incredible individual college basketball player (and ambassador) that Markus is but also recognize that the way he's been utilized in the context of a team game by the coaching staff has been less than ideal.
so, if we wouldn't have lost 10 games and/or went deeper into the madness, that would have been more ideal? yes, i suppose, but are you insinuating that he shot too much? or didn't get the ball to the "h" bros enough? or he shouldn't have, as a captain, dared call anyone out for not hustling or turning the ball over too much or missing defensive assignments? he should have shut his mouth and looked over to the coaches for a signal to pass or when to shoot? ok, so he's a pretty good baller, so good he's mentioned as an all american who represents MU very well, but is a "team wrecker"? just wondering about the "way he's been utilized in the context of a team game by the coaching staff" part.
let's imagine bernard toone had a little bro whose mommy and daddy were in the stands every day within breathing distance of the bench and butch tells him to pick it up a little...whoa boy! let's just say that little locker room halftime "misunderstanding" between bernard and Al was paddy cakes compared to this one.
they did try to use him as both a point guard and a shooting guard, but who else would you have plugged into the point guard position aside from chartouny? i liked joe, but a BE point man he really wasn't. markus wasn't prepared to take on both very well. shooting guard-well we all know how he has done there, but as a point man, he struggled a little bit.
bottom line, we've got a really special rare talent here who chose to go all 4 years. look for him to have upped his game another notch. with a fully engaged, intact "team", i believe we may see something special this coming year
please expand for me. i'm all ears as i'm sure many others here are as well
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so, if we wouldn't have lost 10 games and/or went deeper into the madness, that would have been more ideal? yes, i suppose, but are you insinuating that he shot too much? or didn't get the ball to the "h" bros enough? or he shouldn't have, as a captain, dared call anyone out for not hustling or turning the ball over too much or missing defensive assignments? he should have shut his mouth and looked over to the coaches for a signal to pass or when to shoot? ok, so he's a pretty good baller, so good he's mentioned as an all american who represents MU very well, but is a "team wrecker"? just wondering about the "way he's been utilized in the context of a team game by the coaching staff" part.
let's imagine bernard toone had a little bro whose mommy and daddy were in the stands every day within breathing distance of the bench and butch tells him to pick it up a little...whoa boy! let's just say that little locker room halftime "misunderstanding" between bernard and Al was paddy cakes compared to this one.
they did try to use him as both a point guard and a shooting guard, but who else would you have plugged into the point guard position aside from chartouny? i liked joe, but a BE point man he really wasn't. markus wasn't prepared to take on both very well. shooting guard-well we all know how he has done there, but as a point man, he struggled a little bit.
bottom line, we've got a really special rare talent here who chose to go all 4 years. look for him to have upped his game another notch. with a fully engaged, intact "team", i believe we may see something special this coming year
please expand for me. i'm all ears as i'm sure many others here are as well
All those arguments have been made a zillion times in every other off-season post. All I'm saying is one can logically affirm both of these positions at the same time.
1) Markus is an amazing basketball player
2) A team with a player of Markus' caliber and the talent of the supporting cast we had should have been able finish their season a heck of a lot better than they did.
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If the two primary running mates had bought in and not torpedoed with one eye to the door, maybe the season ends better.
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If the two primary running mates had bought in and not torpedoed with one eye to the door, maybe the season ends better.
What does “torpedoed” mean, hey?
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What does “torpedoed” mean, hey?
It means a co-MVP performance?
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Highlights of Markus 53 versus Creighton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDC9z5U3yho&feature=youtu.be
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Highlights of Markus 53 versus Creighton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDC9z5U3yho&feature=youtu.be
Joeys body language at 0:28...lol
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Did you guys know that Markus was only 17 years old his freshman year?
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Joeys body language at 0:28...lol
That’s where I want Joey with the ball, at the logo.
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That’s where I want Joey with the ball, at the logo.
About the same spot on the court a number of Scoopers wanted Markus to throw Sam the ball at the end of the Seton Hall BET game with 2 seconds to go.
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All those arguments have been made a zillion times in every other off-season post. All I'm saying is one can logically affirm both of these positions at the same time.
1) Markus is an amazing basketball player
2) A team with a player of Markus' caliber and the talent of the supporting cast we had should have been able finish their season a heck of a lot better than they did.
I am a big believer in shades of gray, in nuance, and in not labeling things as mutually exclusive.
Markus is one of the most incredible scorers any of us have seen, AND he could have made better decisions about when to shoot (and Wojo could have helped him with those decisions).
Having said that ...
To call him a "cancer," or for the Hausers to try to stage a coup (if that's what they did; still hasn't been proven), I'm not a fan of those types of reactions/actions.
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That’s where I want Joey with the ball, at the logo.
To be fair, I think he may have wanted Markus to dump the ball down to Ed.
But the play highlights some of the problems. Joey seems to not understand the difference between HS ball and college.
A college player like Markus, needs to shoot the 3 every time if the defender is backed off with his hands down. Should be automatic. Markus took the right shot. Joey is thinking like a HS star.
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OK Scoopers, time for your daily reality check.
1) Markus is still with us. He is a second-team all-American, a fine person and does a great job of representing MU.
2) Earlier posters are correct. The last legitimate all-American we had probably was DWade. That's been awhile.
3) Some could have argued Jae, Wes and Jimmy should have been. But again, this is not an every year occasion.
4) Big Hauser and the Baby Hauser are gone.
5) We hear rumors, but does anyone KNOW what really happened?
6) If "5" is "Yes," still doesn't change the fact of "4".
GET OVER IT!
Final thought: Too much of this board is Wisconsin-centric. Marquette should be and kind a is a regional/national school. If losing Big and the Baby Hauser hurts us in Wisconsin, so be it. We'll figure it out!
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OK Scoopers, time for your daily reality check.
1) Markus is still with us. He is a second-team all-American, a fine person and does a great job of representing MU.
2) Earlier posters are correct. The last legitimate all-American we had probably was DWade. That's been awhile.
3) Some could have argued Jae, Wes and Jimmy should have been. But again, this is not an every year occasion.
4) Big Hauser and the Baby Hauser are gone.
5) We hear rumors, but does anyone KNOW what really happened?
6) If "5" is "Yes," still doesn't change the fact of "4".
GET OVER IT!
Final thought: Too much of this board is Wisconsin-centric. Marquette should be and kind a is a regional/national school. If losing Big and the Baby Hauser hurts us in Wisconsin, so be it. We'll figure it out!
Jae Crowder was also Second Team All American on AP and Sporting News and 3rd Team on NABC. He was also a Wooden Award finalist.
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Jae Crowder was also Second Team All American on AP and Sporting News and 3rd Team on NABC. He was also a Wooden Award finalist.
And Jerel was second team AP All-American.
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And Jerel was second team AP All-American.
Was a heckuva of a fun player to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGPa_KRDOeE
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Joeys body language at 0:28...lol
To his credit, later, he went to the glass when Markus would shoot. And he was throwing his hands up in frustration in November. I predict if someone was to re watch every minute he and Markus were on the floor together last year, you could find 8-10 times he threw his hands in frustration when Markus shot.
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To his credit, later, he went to the glass when Markus would shoot. And he was throwing his hands up in frustration in November. I predict if someone was to re watch every minute he and Markus were on the floor together last year, you could find 8-10 times he threw his hands in frustration when Markus shot.
Coincidentally, Joey's performance in Feb and March made most MU fans throw up.
So it all evens out!
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All those arguments have been made a zillion times in every other off-season post. All I'm saying is one can logically affirm both of these positions at the same time.
1) Markus is an amazing basketball player
2) A team with a player of Markus' caliber and the talent of the supporting cast we had should have been able finish their season a heck of a lot better than they did.
that's cool, but you brought up the issue of "utilization". i was just responding to that while wondering if you would expand upon that for us...that's all. but thanks
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Was a heckuva of a fun player to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGPa_KRDOeE
Man, I had forgotten when the big 3 all shaved their heads for the tourney. Seeing McSteal without hair threw me for a loop for a second.
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As others have pointed out, we have seen some pretty amazing college players here the last couple of decades, with DWade, Jerel, Jae and Markus topping the list as All-Americans. Add in guys like JFB, Steve, Travis, Wesley, Dominic, Lazar and others, we have been blessed with college hoops talent.
Of all those players, Markus has taken by far the most $hit from fans. The only 3- or 4-year starter to even come close was Scott Merritt ("too soft," "peaked early," etc).
Some of us are enjoying every minute with Markus. I only wish the negative outliers here would join us.
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As others have pointed out, we have seen some pretty amazing college players here the last couple of decades, with DWade, Jerel, Jae and Markus topping the list as All-Americans. Add in guys like JFB, Steve, Travis, Wesley, Dominic, Lazar and others, we have been blessed with college hoops talent.
Of all those players, Markus has taken by far the most $hit from fans. The only 3- or 4-year starter to even come close was Scott Merritt ("too soft," "peaked early," etc).
Some of us are enjoying every minute with Markus. I only wish the negative outliers here would join us.
Dominic took more crap. Diener was very much maligned. Hell, Scoop wanted to revoke JFB’s scholarship.
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Dominic took more crap. Diener was very much maligned. Hell, Scoop wanted to revoke JFB’s scholarship.
Think everyone really appreciated Dom as a senior.
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Think everyone really appreciated Dom as a senior.
Yep, especially after the UConn game.
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Dominic took more crap. Diener was very much maligned. Hell, Scoop wanted to revoke JFB’s scholarship.
I wasn't a Scooper during the Diener or Dom years, so I'll take your word for it. But revoke JFB's scholarship? I was around then and I don't remember that. Why? Because he didn't make enough buzzer-beating game-winners in a row?
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I wasn't a Scooper during the Diener or Dom years, so I'll take your word for it. But revoke JFB's scholarship? I was around then and I don't remember that. Why? Because he didn't make enough buzzer-beating game-winners in a row?
We're talking year 1 Jimmy Butler. He wasn't JFB yet.
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Think everyone really appreciated Dom as a senior.
Dom was an elite defender and a solid ball handler/passer. But he was a lousy shooter. It wasn't his fault that TC wanted him to be a scorer but some blamed him nevertheless. Under Buzz, he shot it less and Jerel and Wesley shot it more. Criticisms abated.
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Dom was an elite defender and a solid ball handler/passer. But he was a lousy shooter. It wasn't his fault that TC wanted him to be a scorer but some blamed him nevertheless. Under Buzz, he shot it less and Jerel and Wesley shot it more. Criticisms abated.
Great driver and finisher, poor outside shooter (29.1% for his Marquette career from three-point range). Watching him and Jerel play defense together was a privilege. More than 500 steals between them -- what a great tandem.
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We're talking year 1 Jimmy Butler. He wasn't JFB yet.
He was an aggressive defender and rebounder who played a valuable role for a good (but not great) team. I don't remember calls to revoke his scholly, though I allow that maybe you're using a little hyperbole.
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He was an aggressive defender and rebounder who played a valuable role for a good (but not great) team. I don't remember calls to revoke his scholly, though I allow that maybe you're using a little hyperbole.
No hyperbole. Look it up.
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Just shows you what reactionary douche bags many scoopers are.
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Nobody took more crap than Derrick Wilson. Scott M a close second.
But again, nobody left the program because of their presence.
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No hyperbole. Look it up.
I believe you and won't waste my time looking it up, but ...
Just shows you what reactionary douche bags many scoopers are.
Nobody took more crap than Derrick Wilson. Scott M a close second.
But again, nobody left the program because of their presence.
That might or might not be true about Derrick. Again, I'm far too lazy to look it up and count 'em all.
Of course, there is a difference between Derrick and Markus; one actually has more than half an ounce of basketball ability. Doesn't excuse some of the really mean things said about Derrick, because it wasn't his fault that he had to play 35 mpg instead of the 10 he would have played on a good team.
Too bad Markus is such a cancer that all the other guys who were gonna leave decided to stay as soon as the Hausers left.
Oh, and I thought the Hauserites claim that their heroes didn't leave because of Markus but because of Wojo. I can't keep up with all the silliness.
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Classic. Can’t believe those people who said such mean things about Derrick!
But, since Derrick’s name came up, I want to say one more mean thing about him since the opportunity presented itself.
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Too bad Markus is such a cancer that all the other guys who were gonna leave decided to stay as soon as the Hausers left.
I have no inside info, but it was speculated on here that Cain, Anim, and possibly Bailey were the ones looking to get out. When the Hausers left and all their minutes and shots opened up, it became a much easier sell to get those three to stand pat. If they were in fact looking to leave, I doubt their desire to do so and decision to ultimately stay came down to much more than that.
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Classic. Can’t believe those people who said such mean things about Derrick!
But, since Derrick’s name came up, I want to say one more mean thing about him since the opportunity presented itself.
Not proud of it.
I have no inside info, but it was speculated on here that Cain, Anim, and possibly Bailey were the ones looking to get out. When the Hausers left and all their minutes and shots opened up, it became a much easier sell to get those three to stand pat. If they were in fact looking to leave, I doubt their desire to do so and decision to ultimately stay came down to much more than that.
Reasonable spin. But spin nonetheless.
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Dominic took more crap. Diener was very much maligned. Hell, Scoop wanted to revoke JFB’s scholarship.
I remember Dominic and Travis taking some crap, but I don't remember anyone ever calling either of them "cancers" on the team.
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I have no inside info, but it was speculated on here that Cain, Anim, and possibly Bailey were the ones looking to get out. When the Hausers left and all their minutes and shots opened up, it became a much easier sell to get those three to stand pat. If they were in fact looking to leave, I doubt their desire to do so and decision to ultimately stay came down to much more than that.
More shots for Cain, Anim, and Bailey? I thought only the cancer got to shoot the ball.
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More shots for Cain, Anim, and Bailey? I thought only the cancer got to shoot the ball.
I’ve never called Markus a cancer. Sam and Joey were options two and three on the team. Markus has the ultimate green light, but the Hausers’ roles will have to be filled by somebody.
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Nobody took more crap than Derrick Wilson. Scott M a close second.
But again, nobody left the program because of their presence.
Keep digging your hole.
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Keep digging your hole.
I will! Because once the season starts I’m gonna have plenty of folks looking to climb in with me.
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I will! Because once the season starts I’m gonna have plenty of folks looking to climb in with me.
Yay go MU!
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I’ve never called Markus a cancer. Sam and Joey were options two and three on the team. Markus has the ultimate green light, but the Hausers’ roles will have to be filled by somebody.
FWIW, Joey’s %Shots we’re lower than Ed & Sacar, and about even with Bailey’s, although Joey’s FTrate was fairly strong.
I thought Joey would be more a 22-24% usage guy... wound up around 18%. Might explain part of why things went as they did
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FWIW, Joey’s %Shots we’re lower than Ed & Sacar, and about even with Bailey’s, although Joey’s FTrate was fairly strong.
I thought Joey would be more a 22-24% usage guy... wound up around 18%. Might explain part of why things went as they did
Yep. Joey was option 3, but his production was more deserving of being option 5 or 6.
And yet he was upset he didn't get the ball more....
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I will! Because once the season starts I’m gonna have plenty of folks looking to climb in with me.
Exciting
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The factually incorrect posts on this board don't stop.
Markus is NOT a cancer.
Markus is a pisces.
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The factually incorrect posts on this board don't stop.
Markus is NOT a cancer.
Markus is a pisces.
Aw, now you're just fishin' for compliments!
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Aw, now you're just fishin' for compliments!
And look who took the bait ...
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And look who took the bait ...
I'm hooked!
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I'm hooked!
Lots of talent here, did all you guys escape from the Seinfeld writers staff?
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Lots of talent here, did all you guys escape from the Seinfeld writers staff?
I was the one that got away!
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Just a bunch of bass holes carping about everything and suffering grouper think.
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Just a bunch of bass holes carping about everything and suffering grouper think.
Is the thinking causing the suffering.
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Just a bunch of bass holes carping about everything and suffering grouper think.
These are really crappie puns
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Criticism like that hurts my sole.
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This thread has really started to flounder.
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This thread has really started to flounder.
Yeah, but I'll keep reading just for the halibut.
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Took a lot to trawl through this thread... but I gotta admit, by the end I got hooked.
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Yeah, but I'll keep reading just for the halibut.
I may still have to mullet over....
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What the 'fin hell is this?
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We're really getting schooled in this thread.
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This thread has really started to flounder.
It has been a whale of a good time though.
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I got y'all hook, line and sinker ... but now it's time for me to skate.
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Too much testosterone on this thread. It smells really musky around here.
Or maybe it's just a fluke.
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thank goodness the rocket sturgeon hasn't chimed in yet.
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It wasn’t like this when Luke Fisher was playing.
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I don't mean to carp on your many fine puns, but this thread is close to jumping the shark.
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No hyperbole. Look it up.
I will freely admit I watched Butler get back doored on D all night while passively watching on O against Dayton @ Hoffman Estates and thought he was a worse Blackledge/wasted scholly. Glad I was as wrong as wrong could be! Great career arc, easily in my top 5 all time
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I will freely admit I watched Butler get back doored on D all night while passively watching on O against Dayton @ Hoffman Estates and thought he was a worse Blackledge/wasted scholly. Glad I was as wrong as wrong could be! Great career arc, easily in my top 5 all time
I don't get it. Where's the fish pun?
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IN BEFORE THE LOX!
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The fish puns have taken over this thread as hard as Markus took over the Buffalo game.
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What fish puns?
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Oh my Cod this is what scoop has become?
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Oh my Cod this is what scoop has become?
It looks that way. It's krilling me
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I feel like the old alewives tale of "you need 5 years to properly evaluate a coach" should apply to players too. Until then I'm going to keep taking Markus for granted.
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Is this still about Salmon Joey?
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Is this still about Salmon Joey?
No dog, fish.
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Joey’s shots were all over the plaice.
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Joey’s shots were all over the plaice.
Hearing the Hausers got tilapiaed.
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Walleye just don’t know about all these fish puns.
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Walleye just don’t know about all these fish puns.
Irish Hagfish suck.
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Walleye just don’t know about all these fish puns.
I hope we don't make a halibut of this
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Is there more than 1 school of thought?
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I will freely admit I watched Butler get back doored on D all night while passively watching on O against Dayton @ Hoffman Estates and thought he was a worse Blackledge/wasted scholly. Glad I was as wrong as wrong could be! Great career arc, easily in my top 5 all time
That was a weird game. The night after they smoked UNI by 30 points, who ended up winning the MVC and went to the tournament.
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This line of thinking should spawn its own thread....