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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on June 26, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
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Here you go, have at it. People abuse the process and that’s why they tighten the rules.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2842860-ncaa-expected-to-pass-guidelines-limiting-transfer-athletes-waiver-eligibility
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Dumb.
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Absolutely. Gotta keep the workers under the thumbs of the masters whenever possible.
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I'm sure, somehow, this is in the athletes' best interest.
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Dumb.
It's only surprising when the NCAA comes up with something that's NOT dumb.
I can just imagine getting a tour of their headquarters: "here's the department for the enslavement of teenagers, and on your left is the department for making up silly rules. Down the hall is our center for incompetence in officiating, and one story up and through a security barrier and the departments of denial and blame games. Secure in the basement is the directorate for pretending FBI investigations are not happening"
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Absolutely. Gotta keep the workers under the thumbs of the masters whenever possible.
I wish the masters at Arby's kept their workers under bigger thumbs. All this talk about roast beef makes me hungry, but I still can't get over what they were doing to the horsey sauce.
Imagine what newspapers would be if there were no thumbs... one'd have to wade through a few dozen articles - mostly about who has bigger tits, ______ or John Kruk - before finding an off-hand mention of the score of last week's game. Thank God and pasta monsters for the Internet.
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Glad they are clarifying it for all. Too much ambiguity last few years with potential abuse going on. Of course some of you want full free agency, so I'm not surprised at the responses.
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I just want the players to have the exact same level of free agency that the coaches do.
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As Quinten Grimes is trying to get a wavier to play immediately at Houston next season.
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Great! #StudentsFirst #Caring
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I just want the players to have the exact same level of free agency that the coaches do.
This. 1,000 times this. The NCAA once again moves in the wrong direction. Fools.
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I just want the players to have the exact same level of free agency that the coaches do.
So you want them to pay a scholarship buyout fee to move from one school to another?
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So you want them to pay a scholarship buyout fee to move from one school to another?
Sure ... if the new school pays the buyout fee, which is exactly what happens with the coaches.
I was stunned when Barnes said the reason he didn't go to UCLA was that they wouldn't pay to buy him out of his Tennessee contract. But then he admitted that he lied about it and that UCLA was willing to pay. They all are.
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So you want them to pay a scholarship buyout fee to move from one school to another?
This. Whether it's the new school or the player.
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Sure ... if the new school pays the buyout fee, which is exactly what happens with the coaches.
I was stunned when Barnes said the reason he didn't go to UCLA was that they wouldn't pay to buy him out of his Tennessee contract. But then he admitted that he lied about it and that UCLA was willing to pay. They all are.
So if Duke wants to pay for Markus' last year of scholarship, you are OK with that?
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So if Duke wants to pay for Markus' last year of scholarship, you are OK with that?
Sure. Especially if Markus stays at Marquette.
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So if Duke wants to pay for Markus' last year of scholarship, you are OK with that?
Yes, players should be free to do whatever they feel is best for them. Anything else is dumb.
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Yes, players should be free to do whatever they feel is best for them. Anything else is dumb.
So, it would be OK if Sam and Joey would have left once the losing streak started? Oh wait, they did. No, players shouldn't be able to do WHATEVER they feel is best. There has to be consequences for actions. I think most people are trying to change the wrong side of this. I feel coaches should have to sit out a year if they want to break their contract. Sort of a covenant not to compete.
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The editor of the Marquette Tribune gets a scholarship.
If she wants to leave Marquette for University X after the year, she does not have to sit out a year before she can be editor at the University X Gazette.
The same goes for the scholarship tuba player, the scholarship drama student and the scholarship engineer.
Athletes should have the same freedom of movement.
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The editor of the Marquette Tribune gets a scholarship.
If she wants to leave Marquette for University X after the year, she does not have to sit out a year before she can be editor at the University X Gazette.
The same goes for the scholarship tuba player, the scholarship drama student and the scholarship engineer.
Athletes should have the same freedom of movement.
Newspapers are dead, so that is a bad example.There are many nuances that you are leaving out. Budgets for recruiting a way different, the $$ brought in by these athletes is way different. As I tried to say above, its similar to a covenant not to compete. I think the athletes should be compensated a lot more than they are currently, but I think there needs to be restrictions on transferring.
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The editor of the Marquette Tribune gets a scholarship.
If she wants to leave Marquette for University X after the year, she does not have to sit out a year before she can be editor at the University X Gazette.
The same goes for the scholarship tuba player, the scholarship drama student and the scholarship engineer.
Athletes should have the same freedom of movement.
Except a player like Isaiah canon and ja Morant can set Murray States budget up for the next few years. Take away the penalty and they're off to the major conferences. I'm fine with taking away the year in waiting if there's an exchange of money or at least recommendation for the scholarship.
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Newspapers are dead, so that is a bad example.There are many nuances that you are leaving out. Budgets for recruiting a way different, the $$ brought in by these athletes is way different. As I tried to say above, its similar to a covenant not to compete. I think the athletes should be compensated a lot more than they are currently, but I think there needs to be restrictions on transferring.
I don't have consequences for leaving a job I do not enjoy. Why should there be consequences for players making money for their schools? Again, dumb.
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Except a player like Isaiah canon and ja Morant can set Murray States budget up for the next few years. Take away the penalty and they're off to the major conferences. I'm fine with taking away the year in waiting if there's an exchange of money or at least recommendation for the scholarship.
Why should Isaiah Cannon or Ja Morant be responsible for Murray State's budget?
Are you suggesting a European soccer transfer model for players?
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Why should Isaiah Cannon or Ja Morant be responsible for Murray State's budget?
Are you suggesting a European soccer transfer model for players?
They shouldn't be, but if a school invested in them when nobody else would, they should be rewarded for that and if they can't reap the rewards a player would bring then the top school reaping them should pay the immediately eligible penalty.
I don't know enough about the model to say for sure that's what I'm suggesting but from what I do know it would be similar.
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I don't have consequences for leaving a job I do not enjoy. Why should there be consequences for players making money for their schools? Again, dumb.
The issue is that it’s about education. Student-athletes are being PROTECTED by the transfer rules. Sit a year to get acclimated, yet still be on scholarship. Great setup!
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The issue is that it’s about education. Student-athletes are being PROTECTED by the transfer rules. Sit a year to get acclimated, yet still be on scholarship. Great setup!
;)
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You want to be a pro, go to the G League and sell yourself for endorsement rights. Pretty simple.
No one is stopping anyone from doing that. There are alternatives.
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You want to be a pro, go to the G League and sell yourself for endorsement rights. Pretty simple.
No one is stopping anyone from doing that. There are alternatives.
OK.... And?
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McDonald’s should be forced to offer lobster...it’s a restaurant and therefore they must conform and not be allowed to have their own rules, menu, approach.
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McDonald’s should be forced to offer lobster...it’s a restaurant and therefore they must conform and not be allowed to have their own rules, menu, approach.
Okay, until you feel like offering a real conversation and not an asinine "analogy" I'm done talking to you in this thread.
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Why should Isaiah Cannon or Ja Morant be responsible for Murray State's budget?
Are you suggesting a European soccer transfer model for players?
This.
Isn't it interesting to hear people who otherwise argue for the free market say the opposite should be true for college athletes?
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Okay, until you feel like offering a real conversation and not an asinine "analogy" I'm done talking to you in this thread.
It’s not. College ball isn’t professional, stop trying to make it so. You want pro ball, go play pro ball. You want a scholarship an$ an education, your other alternative is college basketball. You have a choice. Stop making it into something it is not, for the same reason McDonald’s is a restaurant but not a Michelin 5 star restaurant...despite both serving food to customers.
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This.
Isn't it interesting to hear people who otherwise argue for the free market say the opposite should be true for college athletes?
I know right, its so funny to me. I pointed this out on the last go around. A stark republican like Cheeks and a stark Democrat like pakuni actually do a 180 on their views when it comes to this one scenario. It's crazy how that works.
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I don't have consequences for leaving a job I do not enjoy. Why should there be consequences for players making money for their schools? Again, dumb.
Maybe one day you will grow up and work at a job where your talents are valued, and they have you sign a noncompete.
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Maybe one day you will grow up and work at a job where your talents are valued, and they have you sign a noncompete.
So you want to treat NCAA athletes as employees who are working at a job?
Cool. They can now form a union and bargain for things like better compensation, health benefits, hours, etc.
I mean, Mark Emmert and the schools have fought that tooth and nail, but I'm with you on this one.
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The issue is that it’s about education. Student-athletes are being PROTECTED by the transfer rules. Sit a year to get acclimated, yet still be on scholarship. Great setup!
If students need a year to get acclimated, we need to return to the days when freshmen couldn't play.
Cause it's all about education.
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I know right, its so funny to me. I pointed this out on the last go around. A stark republican like Cheeks and a stark Democrat like pakuni actually do a 180 on their views when it comes to this one scenario. It's crazy how that works.
FYI ... people who know me in the real world would never describe me that way. And, fyi, even here I can't think of a time I've said anything 180 from a free market.
Not to go too far astray, but nobody wants a truly free market. We all just puck and choose the level of freedom and for whom based on our values and biases.
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So you want to treat NCAA athletes as employees who are working at a job?
Cool. They can now form a union and bargain for things like better compensation, health benefits, hours, etc.
I mean, Mark Emmert and the schools have fought that tooth and nail, but I'm with you on this one.
I think they should get paid, and should form a players association.
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I think they should get paid, and should form a players association.
OK. We agree.
And if the colleges want to seek a one-year no compete for transfers as part of a CBA, that should be their right.
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Maybe one day you will grow up and work at a job where your talents are valued, and they have you sign a noncompete.
I laughed.
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The issue is that it’s about education. Student-athletes are being PROTECTED by the transfer rules. Sit a year to get acclimated, yet still be on scholarship. Great setup!
If it was a rule intended to protect student-athletes, it would probably apply to...I don’t know...most student athletes. But, since it’s a rule that applies to only a small minority of student-athletes, I have to wonder if the goal might be something other than to protect the student-athletes. If only I could put my finger on what the small group where it applies has in common, I might be able to figure out the rule’s intent. But I’m $tumped.
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In before the lock.
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In before the lock.
The Jessie thread is somehow still alive in the superbar. This must be safe.
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If students need a year to get acclimated, we need to return to the days when freshmen couldn't play.
Cause it's all about education.
Fine with me. Tremendous idea. You want to get paid, go pro. You want to get an education and also have a chance to go pro, go to college. Simple.
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I know right, its so funny to me. I pointed this out on the last go around. A stark republican like Cheeks and a stark Democrat like pakuni actually do a 180 on their views when it comes to this one scenario. It's crazy how that works.
I’m not a Republican, let alone stark. I have been a registered Dem and GOP in my life, have been neither for easily a decade. More libertarian than anything. I have many views on things that don’t fit into your identity politics....or policies...despite you labeling me as. I haven’t voted for the GOP pres candidate for multiple elections so how can I be a stark member as you claim? Now Stop with the politics.
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I think they should get paid, and should form a players association.
Could not disagree more. Title IX. Lost opportunities. Total destruction of the system that will have you no longer cheering for MU, except at intramural sand club sports.
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Fine with me. Tremendous idea. You want to get paid, go pro. You want to get an education and also have a chance to go pro, go to college. Simple.
Coaches get paid. Trainers get paid. Administrators get paid. SIDs get paid. Ticket sellers get paid. Merchandise makers and sellers get paid. Universities get paid.
But yeah, these are amateur athletics.
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Could not disagree more. Title IX. Lost opportunities. Total destruction of the system that will have you no longer cheering for MU, except at intramural sand club sports.
Marquette will be fine, Me. Little.
And why preserve a system that provides free college educations to primarily white upper- and middle-class kids (those in non revenue spprts) through the labor of primarily lower-class black kids (i.e. the football and men's basketball players)?
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Marquette will be fine, Me. Little.
And why preserve a system that provides free college educations to primarily white upper- and middle-class kids (those in non revenue spprts) through the labor of primarily lower-class black kids (i.e. the football and men's basketball players)?
What data do you have on this? What does 'primarily' mean?
I think your claim is, how u say, FALSE.
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Marquette will be fine, Me. Little.
And why preserve a system that provides free college educations to primarily white upper- and middle-class kids (those in non revenue spprts) through the labor of primarily lower-class black kids (i.e. the football and men's basketball players)?
Non revenue sports are net tuition payers . Small amount of scholarships spread over an entire team .
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If it was a rule intended to protect student-athletes, it would probably apply to...I don’t know...most student athletes. But, since it’s a rule that applies to only a small minority of student-athletes, I have to wonder if the goal might be something other than to protect the student-athletes. If only I could put my finger on what the small group where it applies has in common, I might be able to figure out the rule’s intent. But I’m $tumped.
Not disagreeing with you, but the group of student athletes these rules apply to are the ones that are often exploited the most by Universities. And I don't mean in regards to being paid.
Many of them would have no chance of getting into the schools they play for. Many do not have any of the skills necessary to succeed at that University. So schools, place them into special programs/majors where they will have the most success.
They treat them differently in other ways, besides the transfer rule. They often have special dedicated tutoring, conducted by a completely different group of individuals than other sports. They are often not allowed to pick any major they want, but steered into specific degree plans.
The result is that many of these students are most vulnerable to changes in their education plan/structure.
It actually does protect the athletes, as students. Ideally, it could have some education based waiver, where if they are performing above a certain threshold off the court, they could be eligible immediately.
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FYI ... people who know me in the real world would never describe me that way. And, fyi, even here I can't think of a time I've said anything 180 from a free market.
Not to go too far astray, but nobody wants a truly free market. We all just puck and choose the level of freedom and for whom based on our values and biases.
I’m not a Republican, let alone stark. I have been a registered Dem and GOP in my life, have been neither for easily a decade. More libertarian than anything. I have many views on things that don’t fit into your identity politics....or policies...despite you labeling me as. I haven’t voted for the GOP pres candidate for multiple elections so how can I be a stark member as you claim? Now Stop with the politics.
Unleashcain tried acted like he intimately knew things about posters on an online forum and got it completely wrong? Shocking.
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Marquette will be fine, Me. Little.
And why preserve a system that provides free college educations to primarily white upper- and middle-class kids (those in non revenue spprts) through the labor of primarily lower-class black kids (i.e. the football and men's basketball players)?
I mean I see what your trying to do. But you left out some giant non Rev sports with plenty of black athletes. Track and soccer are two very big ones.
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Unleashcain tried acted like he intimately knew things about posters on an online forum and got it completely wrong? Shocking.
Again, I laughed. Cheeks has been banned for fighting every republican value tooth and nail. Pakuni is a literal walking representation of a liberal. But "okay"
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What data do you have on this? What does 'primarily' mean?
I think your claim is, how u say, FALSE.
It's a pretty simple concept, and not at all false.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/12/13/the-height-hypocrisy-higher-education/ZKAalThMCKHUwJPBqhUFMK/story.html
Black students make up a vastly (13x) greater quantity of white students earning athletic scholarships in revenue sports.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-black-families-have-struggled-for-decades-to-gain-wealth-2019-02-28
This article cites the federal reserve that on average black families have 10 cents for every dollar of wealth held by white families.
So the majority of revenue sport scholarships going to black students, the majority of black households being poorer than white households leads to the fairly obvious conclusion that Pakuni came to. This isn't something that's really debatable or controversial. It's just the numbers.
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It's a pretty simple concept, and not at all false.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/12/13/the-height-hypocrisy-higher-education/ZKAalThMCKHUwJPBqhUFMK/story.html
Black students make up a vastly (13x) greater quantity of white students earning athletic scholarships in revenue sports.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-black-families-have-struggled-for-decades-to-gain-wealth-2019-02-28
This article cites the federal reserve that on average black families have 10 cents for every dollar of wealth held by white families.
So the majority of revenue sport scholarships going to black students, the majority of black households being poorer than white households leads to the fairly obvious conclusion that Pakuni came to. This isn't something that's really debatable or controversial. It's just the numbers.
You’re displaying a horrible understanding of numbers and the claims Pak made.
He was wrong.
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You’re displaying a horrible understanding of numbers and the claims Pak made.
He was wrong.
Actually, I'm not.
Football and men's basketball provides the revenue (both direct and indirect) that supports the other sports programs. The majority of the athletes in those sports are black. The majority of the athletes in non revenue sports are white.
And that's not even getting into how many of the non revenue sports have socioeconomic barriers that make it difficult to impossible for kids of the working and poorer classes to excel in.
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Actually, I'm not.
Football and men's basketball provides the revenue (both direct and indirect) that supports the other sports programs. The majority of the athletes in those sports are black. The majority of the athletes in non revenue sports are white.
And that's not even getting into how many of the non revenue sports have socioeconomic barriers that make it difficult to impossible for kids of the working and poorer classes to excel in.
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This is really as simple as saying that revenue sports prop up non-revenue sports. That's not controversial. And who makes up the scholarship recipients of revenue sports is also not controversial.
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You’re displaying a horrible understanding of numbers and the claims Pak made.
He was wrong.
I wouldn't say his claim of a majority of d1 revenue athletes are black is wrong. It's actually factually correct. I'd say his claim of little representation of blacks in non revenue is wring however.
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I wouldn't say his claim of a majority of d1 revenue athletes are black is wrong. It's actually factually correct. I'd say his claim of little representation of blacks in non revenue is wring however.
I'm not sure why you say that. I wrote that the non revenue sport athletes are primarily white. This is factually correct. I didn't write exclusively white or even predominantly white (though many are).
What am I missing?
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Coaches get paid. Trainers get paid. Administrators get paid. SIDs get paid. Ticket sellers get paid. Merchandise makers and sellers get paid. Universities get paid.
But yeah, these are amateur athletics.
So what. Coaches get paid coaching 6 year old kids playin tennis at the club, too. The theater charges ticket prices for the MU glee club. The school choir charges for tickets. Lots of teachers, coaches, facilities cpget compensated where the performers do not.
Better yet, If I go to a MU cross country event there is no charge yet the coaches and trainers are paid...it is still sport, I can still be entertained as well as those kids earn a degree while on scholarship.
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I'm not sure why you say that. I wrote that the non revenue sport athletes are primarily white. This is factually correct. I didn't write exclusively white or even predominantly white (though many are).
What am I missing?
I would say saying primarily, generally means the same thing as a majority. While there are sports such as lacrosse and hockey (which is probably a revenue sport at a lot of colleges) have a large majority of whites. While others such as track, soccer, and baseball are a lot more even.
Then we have to talk about how much of a majority it is. If it's something like 60/40 or 65/35 that's pretty even in terms of population.
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Marquette will be fine, Me. Little.
And why preserve a system that provides free college educations to primarily white upper- and middle-class kids (those in non revenue spprts) through the labor of primarily lower-class black kids (i.e. the football and men's basketball players)?
You mean the one that is providing massive opportunities for women (and even biological men transitioning to women) as well as many minorities even in rev sports like lower D1 basketball, track and field, etc. I don’t understand the race argument here, but someone always brings it up.
You sure you have your stats right on socio economics for football?
And before you say MU will be fine, you don’t know this nor do you understand how many kids from non revenue sports pay tuition to attend MU.
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So what. Coaches get paid coaching 6 year old kids rapt the club, too. The theater charges ticket prices for the MU glee club. The school choir charges for tickets. Lots of teachers, coaches, facilities cpget compensated where the performers do not.
Better yet, If I go to a MU cross country event there is no charge yet the coaches and trainers are paid...it is still sport, I can still be entertained as well as those kids earn a degree while on scholarship.
Aye but if those 6 year olds wish to change teams, or a glee club member decides to go to DePaul, or hell a cross country player transfers. They do not need to sit out a year. Hence the stupid hypocrisy we are talking about.
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Aye but if those 6 year olds wish to change teams, or a glee club member decides to go to DePaul, or hell a cross country player transfers. They do not need to sit out a year. Hence the stupid hypocrisy we are talking about.
Not hypocritical at all. Free agency would destroy college sports, but I suspect you don’t care and like many things your team wants these days....destruction is worth it even if you have no idea what the other side bears. As long as it is FREEEEEEEEEEE and you feel good about it. Feeling good is the important part...unicorns and rainbow marshmallows...and feeling good until it hits the fan by your actions and the destruction caused by the feel good moments rear their ugly head.
I’d ask you to interview the young black players at Prairie View A&M or any of 200 other schools that have zero chance of playing pro ball, but are receiving an education and a chance to play a sport they love, travel, etc under the current system.....ask them how great it will be when that is taken away from them. The interview the hundreds of thousands of female athletes, get their opinions on the matter.
Ah, but we have to compensate the .5% and throw the baby out with the bath water even though the vast vast vast majority of those kids get paid after school anyway when they play pro ball. Brilliant.
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Not hypocritical at all. Free agency would destroy college sports, but I suspect you don’t care and like many things your team wants these days....destruction is worth it even if you have no idea what the other side bears. As long as it is FREEEEEEEEEEE and you feel good about it. Feeling good is the important part...unicorns and rainbow marshmallows...and feeling good until it hits the fan by your actions and the destruction caused by the feel good moments rear their ugly head.
I’d ask you to interview the young black players at Prairie View A&M or any of 200 other schools that have zero chance of playing pro ball, but are receiving an education and a chance to play a sport they love, travel, etc under the current system.....ask them how great it will be when that is taken away from them. The interview the hundreds of thousands of female athletes, get their opinions on the matter.
Ah, but we have to compensate the .5% and throw the baby out with the bath water even though the vast vast vast majority of those kids get paid after school anyway when they play pro ball. Brilliant.
Oooooooook.
So let's be real for one second.
You don't care about the players. You care about the game and how the system is setup. Where finding a diamond in the rough guarantees him to your team.
You like the system of them being "amateurs". You dont want the system to change. So you make these huge arguments about how letting kids transfer freely will end all life as we know it at the college level. Because you don't want your system to change.
Thats what it truly is. And that's a fine opinion to have. But don't hide it behind "being best for the players" or "it'll ruin all the low level colleges". Just be real with it.
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You like the system of them being "amateurs".
The system of amateurism makes him feel good, which is the important part. It's the same BS claim he's making at you. This is what hypocrisy looks like.
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It's a pretty simple concept, and not at all false.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/12/13/the-height-hypocrisy-higher-education/ZKAalThMCKHUwJPBqhUFMK/story.html
Black students make up a vastly (13x) greater quantity of white students earning athletic scholarships in revenue sports.
Warning: I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, rather simply illustrating that many numbers on their own are unreliable in this argument, and given the discrepancies, and outright manipulation of how expenses/revenue are distributed in University accounting, it is difficult to come away with concrete answers. Rather, anyone can justify their stance depending on which numbers they look for.
For instance:
If the article's 13x number is correct, then one could actually make the opposite conclusion, that non-black athletes in revenue sports are subsidizing the scholarships. That doesn't even take into consideration the number of non-revenue sport tuition paying students.
In all of division 1 football, 44.8% are African-American; 40.1% are white. At the FBS level it is 54.3% and 39.8% respectively. That means that in D1, the ratio of participants is essentially a 1:1 ratio, and at the FBS level it is a 1.5:1 ratio. In D1 basketball it is a 2:1 ratio. So pretty even actually (I was surprised by the numbers). On the contrary, the ratio of scholarships offered is 13:1.
My point is simply this. This is a complex issue with many moving parts, in a complex business. In any business there are net revenue generating segments, and net revenue losing segments. Often compensation is not directed towards those generating the revenue, and someone/something is always subsidizing someone/something else. Expecting college sports to be different is denying the reality of our economic system.
edited for the most recent numbers (the other ones were from 2017).
additional note: due to how the statistics are compiled, basketball numbers (in particular) may be misleading. 12.2% of basketball participants are categorized as "non-resident alien" and are not included in the statistics for racial demographics.
source: https://www.tidesport.org/racial-gender-report-card
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like many things your team wants these days....destruction is worth it even if you have no idea what the other side bears. As long as it is FREEEEEEEEEEE and you feel good about it.
Also, could you explain what "my team" is and what I want for "FREEEEEEEE"
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Per the NCAA’s demographics database, in 2018 56% and 48% of D1 men’s Bball & Football players, respectively, were black. Take b-ball - what % were from “lower class”?
You guys tend to make arguments about things that aren’t even being discussed.
Pak’s claim is supported by nothing I’ve seen yet... and certainly by nothing argued on here yet
I don’t know where the 65-60 type % nonsense comes from, but chop it in half and then some, then maybe we can talk. Of course, if it’s 15-30%, your reason for whining goes away
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Chronicle of Higher Ed says 42.5% of D1 football players are white, 44% are black. No mention who was poor, etc....I’d be curious to see Pakuni’s data to support his claim.
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Oooooooook.
So let's be real for one second.
You don't care about the players. You care about the game and how the system is setup. Where finding a diamond in the rough guarantees him to your team.
You like the system of them being "amateurs". You dont want the system to change. So you make these huge arguments about how letting kids transfer freely will end all life as we know it at the college level. Because you don't want your system to change.
Thats what it truly is. And that's a fine opinion to have. But don't hide it behind "being best for the players" or "it'll ruin all the low level colleges". Just be real with it.
I worked almost 7 years of my life in multiple athletic departments caring very much for the student athletes. I still do. It is the VERY reason I am calling these insane ideas out because it will destroy the opportunities for many of those kids. Exactly why I am against it, because I do give a damn and do care...about the women’s vball team, soccer teams, track athletes, etc that will be harmed tremendously by some of the actions that people who have no idea what they are talking about will “unleash”.
I did work with these kids daily, yearly, you and 99% of others here didn’t. I give a huge damn, the irony is that most here don’t give two shats about non revenue sports and only basketball...you can pretend to deny this fact, but you know it is true.
Don’t say I don’t care about the students. They have an insanely great deal under the current system, including those most vulnerable that don’t generate any revenue or are immensely unprofitable and a drag on the athletic department.
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I worked almost 7 years of my life in multiple athletic departments caring very much for the student athletes. I still do. It is the VERY reason I am calling these insane ideas out because it will destroy the opportunities for many of those kids. Exactly why I am against it, because I do give a damn and do care...about the women’s vball team, soccer teams, track athletes, etc that will be harmed tremendously by some of the actions that people who have no idea what they are talking about will “unleash”.
I did work with these kids daily, yearly, you and 99% of others here didn’t. I give a huge damn, the irony is that most here don’t give two shats about non revenue sports and only basketball...you can pretend to deny this fact, but you know it is true.
Don’t say I don’t care about the students. They have an insanely great deal under the current system, including those most vulnerable that don’t generate any revenue or are immensely unprofitable and a drag on the athletic department.
So women's volleyball will be destroyed if they let men's basketball play instantly after transferring? That's a hell of a stretch.
"I did work with these kids daily, yearly, you and 99% of others here didn’t."
That's a hell of an assumption. Especially as I've talked about my college days and my professional days a decent amount on scoop.
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I worked almost 7 years of my life in multiple athletic departments caring very much for the student athletes. I still do. It is the VERY reason I am calling these insane ideas out because it will destroy the opportunities for many of those kids. Exactly why I am against it, because I do give a damn and do care...about the women’s vball team, soccer teams, track athletes, etc that will be harmed tremendously by some of the actions that people who have no idea what they are talking about will “unleash”.
I did work with these kids daily, yearly, you and 99% of others here didn’t. I give a huge damn, the irony is that most here don’t give two shats about non revenue sports and only basketball...you can pretend to deny this fact, but you know it is true.
Don’t say I don’t care about the students. They have an insanely great deal under the current system, including those most vulnerable that don’t generate any revenue or are immensely unprofitable and a drag on the athletic department.
I am in agreement with Chicos Bail Bonds on the topic of collegiate athletics economics. Athletics are a very central part of the strategic component for most colleges and universities today. The labels revenue and non revenue are very misleading. As Chicos points out revenue and expense allocations can vary by school.
The equivalency sports , i.e. those that allocate a fixed number of scholarships fractionally over the entire team are quite attractive to the schools. Take for example Track and Field. MU presently has 103 kids on the Mens and Womans Track team. There are a total of 30 scholarships available, spread in partial increments . That means there are 73 net paying tuitions assuming MU funds the max 30 scholarships. Multiply that by the current tuition rate 43,350 and that is $3,164,550 coming in to the University coffers. Schools all over the country are eagerly adding programs as the math makes sense similar to this.
Also it is worth pointing out that when a conference enters into a media agreement it is for all sports. So while Football drives the eyeballs and basketball to a lesser extent; the other sports do have the benefit of providing content for the networks content. After all, the networks can only put out so many monster truck and corn hole competitions. By the way, some of these minor sports have a very dedicated following such as Woman's softball and Volleyball. In fact Gymnastics at Utah averages 15,000 in attendance more than basketball.
As Chicos points out. The students in a head count sports do have a great deal. As they get the full cost of attendance. So tuition, room and board, books etc. The equivalency athletes come out of pocket for everything beyond the dollar amount they are allocated .
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" They can now form a union and bargain for things like better compensation, health benefits, hours, etc."
really? is that automatic/mandatory or do they need to vote on it first? what about states with open shops? dues?
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Many of us are old enough to remember the hair-on-fire predictions that free agency would "destroy" pro sports, too.
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McDonald’s should be forced to offer lobster...it’s a restaurant and therefore they must conform and not be allowed to have their own rules, menu, approach.
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Many of us are old enough to remember the hair-on-fire predictions that free agency would "destroy" pro sports, too.
red herring. comparing apples to pomegranates here. if you thin ncaa and nike/adidas, et.al. are corrupt now, this will destroy college sports. when bad behavior isn't reprimanded, you will see more of it until it is reprimanded. the ncaa has already been acting like you know what-let's ju$t $ay mama ju$tice ain't blind. $he need$ a new blindfold$
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I wish the masters at Arby's kept their workers under bigger thumbs. All this talk about roast beef makes me hungry, but I still can't get over what they were doing to the horsey sauce.
Imagine what newspapers would be if there were no thumbs... one'd have to wade through a few dozen articles - mostly about who has bigger tits, ______ or John Kruk - before finding an off-hand mention of the score of last week's game. Thank God and pasta monsters for the Internet.
I’m confused is Al Gore God, or is he a pasta monster?
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I’m confused is Al Gore God, or is he a pasta monster?
Al Gore is god's god.
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red herring. comparing apples to pomegranates here. if you thin ncaa and nike/adidas, et.al. are corrupt now, this will destroy college sports. when bad behavior isn't reprimanded, you will see more of it until it is reprimanded. the ncaa has already been acting like you know what-let's ju$t $ay mama ju$tice ain't blind. $he need$ a new blindfold$
You and chicos have no evidence whatsoever that free agency would destroy college sports. You have opinions. I and others happen to have different opinions.
What I said about pro sports was a fact. Many pundits, owners, fans, etc, opined that free agency would "destroy sports as we know them." It was truly a hair-on-fire reaction, and it proved to be false. You might not like the comparison, but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.
You are allowed to have opinions, as are the rest of us. It doesn't make your opinions "right." Only if free agency happens will we see who was right or wrong. In my opinion, I would be proven right.
But don't worry, rocketman ... it's unlikely to happen any time soon, if ever. In the college sports industrial complex, the generals and politicians are very good at keeping the soldiers fighting wars for them while severely limiting any say that the soldiers have.
Hell, the fact that the soldiers have found one little loophole -- the grad transfer rule -- has driven the generals and politicians so crazy they keep trying to close it. Gotta keep the soldiers in their place!
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You and chicos have no evidence whatsoever that free agency would destroy college sports. You have opinions. I and others happen to have different opinions.
What I said about pro sports was a fact. Many pundits, owners, fans, etc, opined that free agency would "destroy sports as we know them." It was truly a hair-on-fire reaction, and it proved to be false. You might not like the comparison, but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.
You are allowed to have opinions, as are the rest of us. It doesn't make your opinions "right." Only if free agency happens will we see who was right or wrong. In my opinion, I would be proven right.
But don't worry, rocketman ... it's unlikely to happen any time soon, if ever. In the college sports industrial complex, the generals and politicians are very good at keeping the soldiers fighting wars for them while severely limiting any say that the soldiers have.
Hell, the fact that the soldiers have found one little loophole -- the grad transfer rule -- has driven the generals and politicians so crazy they keep trying to close it. Gotta keep the soldiers in their place!
I think it's going to happen very soon. California is going to vote on forcing all colleges to pay players. That will force the ncaa's hand.
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I think it's going to happen very soon. California is going to vote on forcing all colleges to pay players. That will force the ncaa's hand.
Does that mean California will also vote to pay all film, theatre, band, cheerleading, dance, etc. participants too?
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Does that mean California will also vote to pay all film, theatre, band, cheerleading, dance, etc. participants too?
This particular bill would allow student athletes to receive compensation for use of their likeness, whether in advertising of video games and the such. If someone wants to pay those students for something similar, I don’t see why that would be an issue
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This particular bill would allow student athletes to receive compensation for use of their likeness, whether in advertising of video games and the such. If someone wants to pay those students for something similar, I don’t see why that would be an issue
Got it. Was unclear of the details. It still opens a can of worms though. If this is referencing athletes signing outside deals on their own, then what about Grad Students who are prohibited from seeking outside work as a condition of their stipends/tuition waiver? Shouldn't this law apply to them too?
If it is in terms of advertising done by the University using their likeness (they are no longer in video games by name, and apparel lists numbers not names), what about other students who are used in University advertising. They aren't compensated either, and in some cases have no idea their likeness was used until they are on TV, as they also sign a waiver by accepting University admission/funds.
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Got it. Was unclear of the details. It still opens a can of worms though. If this is referencing athletes signing outside deals on their own, then what about Grad Students who are prohibited from seeking outside work as a condition of their stipends/tuition waiver? Shouldn't this law apply to them too?
If it is in terms of advertising done by the University using their likeness (they are no longer in video games by name, and apparel lists numbers not names), what about other students who are used in University advertising. They aren't compensated either, and in some cases have no idea their likeness was used until they are on TV, as they also sign a waiver by accepting University admission/funds.
The bill will allow athletes to acquire compensation outside the university. Examples would be car dealership, restaurants and get paid for appearances. Again, if there’s a demand, any student athlete can do this.
I can’t speak on grad students. That’s a different topic but I’d imagine if they created the type of demand athletes do, they’d be eligible as well. Truth is, a guy like Markus Howard would be in high demand locally. A guy like Ike, not so much. It’ll be market driven. Will it create “no show” situations? Almost certainly but if someone wants to give player “X” a contract to rep their business, so be it
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Again, I laughed. Cheeks has been banned for fighting every republican value tooth and nail. Pakuni is a literal walking representation of a liberal. But "okay"
You made a false claim. Happy to post my online part affiliation which I believe states how long it has been that way. Also, as stated and have stated here for years....if I was so staunch I would have voted that way and yet haven’t in 4 of the last 5 elections....that sure is a staunch supporter or whatever word you used. LOL.
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I think it's going to happen very soon. California is going to vote on forcing all colleges to pay players. That will force the ncaa's hand.
Well, that's a whole 'nother issue. I was talking about transfers having to sit out a year.
But sure, this Cali thing will be interesting to follow.
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Actually, I'm not.
Football and men's basketball provides the revenue (both direct and indirect) that supports the other sports programs. The majority of the athletes in those sports are black. The majority of the athletes in non revenue sports are white.
And that's not even getting into how many of the non revenue sports have socioeconomic barriers that make it difficult to impossible for kids of the working and poorer classes to excel in.
The majority of athletes in football are not black. Period. The majority, in fact are not black....42% white, 44% black, the rest are Hispanic, Asian, Native American. 44% is not a majority, it is a plurality in this case.
You also said they are primarily lower class black Americans, but that is also misleading. Yes, many are, but that isn’t what you said. Do you have data to support? Damon Phillips, good friend of mine who I worked with side by side for years....was head of USA Football, played at Stanford, is African American, would be happy to break down those stats. He is currently the GM of NBC Sports Washington....the guy is an absolute data machine when it comes to participation levels of football in this country as that was his job for years. Football is an expensive sport to play and many lower class actually do not play because it is unaffordable. Basketball is a different story, but you seem to be lumping them in together.
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So women's volleyball will be destroyed if they let men's basketball play instantly after transferring? That's a hell of a stretch.
"I did work with these kids daily, yearly, you and 99% of others here didn’t."
That's a hell of an assumption. Especially as I've talked about my college days and my professional days a decent amount on scoop.
For many schools, yes. Very simple and you are showing a lax understanding of how the economics work. Now, you may not care about the programs ranked 200 to 400 in D1 for women’s volleyball, but those are student athletes with scholarships. If you start destroying the ability of these schools to play basketball and football, ultimately requiring the, to drop sports or go to D2 or D3, that destroys opportunities. Again, it won’t touch the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, etc....but it damn will for many other conferences. You may not care, you accused me of not caring.....but I do care, which is why I stating it as such. The current system I want to preserve provides immense opportunities for kids, many women and minorities. Yes, you can argue that the .5% super elite are not receiving the value they should...boo hoo....I don’t see destroying all of these other opportunities for that small population that is going to cash in in 8 months after their first season anyway on the hoops side. I don’t support the .5%......you are absolutely correct. I’d rather help the 99%.
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Many of us are old enough to remember the hair-on-fire predictions that free agency would "destroy" pro sports, too.
Many of us are old enough to remember the war on “—————“ was going to fix things and end “—————“ instead of making it worse.
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I think it's going to happen very soon. California is going to vote on forcing all colleges to pay players. That will force the ncaa's hand.
And the NCAA has said California schools won’t get to participate in NCAA championships as a result. California has made some interesting choices the last 20 years.....44th in education now (big drop), highest poverty in the nation now, homelessness highest in nation now, highest taxes in the nation, net migration population loss as a result. All the above are facts, since MU82 is finally saying he cares about facts....easy to look them all up. Simply facts, not my opinion, just facts. Not political, simply facts. Maybe California will force the NCAA’s hand, and maybe many other states will follow or maybe they will rebel. It’s a good thing California has such a strong handle on things they can put their efforts into this for college athletes and cure the massive ills facing the .5% that are being so hurt.
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Many of us are old enough to remember the war on “—————“ was going to fix things and end “—————“ instead of making it worse.
Irrelevant. Stick to the topic, please.
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Many of us are old enough to remember the hair-on-fire predictions that free agency would "destroy" pro sports, too.
You failed to mentioned one MAJOR part of your thesis. Salary caps. The salary caps and luxury taxes put into place were in large part to prevent the run away rich teams from winning. Not sure why that slipped your mind being a former sports reporter and all.
Yet despite even those measures, you still have the richest teams buying the best players. The NBA finally made some adjustments that allow players to get the most by staying with their teams, but they had to institute that BECAUSE of Free Agency. Weird that those changes didn't make it from your head to your fingers on the keyboard. Very weird.
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Irrelevant. Stick to the topic, please.
Not at all, and purposely left blank because you can fit in any number of 100's of things in those blanks that were going to be "solved" if we just throw more money at it. Doesn't always work now does it. No different here.
We're going to solve the plight of the .5% that have to wait all of a few months to earn millions because they aren't getting their fair cut....screw the 99.5% that benefit. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
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You and chicos have no evidence whatsoever that free agency would destroy college sports. You have opinions. I and others happen to have different opinions.
What I said about pro sports was a fact. Many pundits, owners, fans, etc, opined that free agency would "destroy sports as we know them." It was truly a hair-on-fire reaction, and it proved to be false. You might not like the comparison, but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.
You are allowed to have opinions, as are the rest of us. It doesn't make your opinions "right." Only if free agency happens will we see who was right or wrong. In my opinion, I would be proven right.
But don't worry, rocketman ... it's unlikely to happen any time soon, if ever. In the college sports industrial complex, the generals and politicians are very good at keeping the soldiers fighting wars for them while severely limiting any say that the soldiers have.
Hell, the fact that the soldiers have found one little loophole -- the grad transfer rule -- has driven the generals and politicians so crazy they keep trying to close it. Gotta keep the soldiers in their place!
you are absolutely correct; it is my opinion. no way to say for sure as it hasn't happened(yet?) until then, everyone's opinion is...an opinion. you cannot base it on sports free agency however. it is it's own animal. BUT, i am a traditionalist when it comes to college sports. my opinion, of course, is that if a type of "free agency" is allowed, one of the biggest appealing factors of college sports will be ruined.
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Al Gore is god's god.
Well, everyone thought he was crazy for pouring resources into chasing down this half-man half-pig half-bear creature, and well... turns out we were the fools on that one.
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Well, everyone thought he was crazy for pouring resources into chasing down this half-man half-pig half-bear creature, and well... turns out we were the fools on that one.
how many of these "creatures" did we seem to miss out there? maybe more signs of the earth having that fever thingy? umm, i think we'll be ok while big al still is laughing all the way to his banks. thars gold in them thar cow flatulent saturated hills out thar
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Well, everyone thought he was crazy for pouring resources into chasing down this half-man half-pig half-bear creature, and well... turns out we were the fools on that one.
Best and most truthful episode yet
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Not at all, and purposely left blank because you can fit in any number of 100's of things in those blanks that were going to be "solved" if we just throw more money at it. Doesn't always work now does it. No different here.
We're going to solve the plight of the .5% that have to wait all of a few months to earn millions because they aren't getting their fair cut....screw the 99.5% that benefit. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
You be you. Argue with yourself.
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You be you. Argue with yourself.
May God Bless you!! Good for the NCAA and it’s member institutions cracking down on the abuse of transfers. We don’t like abuse, or that’s what Pope Francis recently said. Read a quote somewhere on that.
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May God Bless you!! Good for the NCAA and it’s member institutions cracking down on the abuse of transfers. We don’t like abuse, or that’s what Pope Francis recently said. Read a quote somewhere on that.
are you referring to the catholic religion? Because well..... 8-)
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You be you. Argue with yourself.
Mike
Remember when free agency killed competition in MLB and the NBA?. LOL. Full blown dynasties like the old Yankees and Celtics are a thing of the past - BECAUSE of free agency. And as a bonus to the owners - as interest grew the value of their franchises went through the roof. Huge win/win that the owners in their myopia) fought tooth and nail.
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Well, everyone thought he was crazy for pouring resources into chasing down this half-man half-pig half-bear creature, and well... turns out we were the fools on that one.
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Best and most truthful episode yet
I remember watching the original manbearpig episode when I was in high school and thinking it was funny because it was Al Gore running around warning about a ridiculous mythical creature. Then when I watched the most recent ManBearPig episodes I was on the floor dying from laughter because I actually got it this time around. God I love South Park.
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I remember watching the original manbearpig episode when I was in high school and thinking it was funny because it was Al Gore running around warning about a ridiculous mythical creature. Then when I watched the most recent ManBearPig episodes I was on the floor dying from laughter because I actually got it this time around. God I love South Park.
The first episode was actually making fun of
Al Gore and how "crack pot" his theories were. Originally Matt Stone and Trey Parker didn't believe in him. The last episode was about them admitting he was right and saying sorry.
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The first episode was actually making fun of
Al Gore and how "crack pot" his theories were. Originally Matt Stone and Trey Parker didn't believe in him. The last episode was about them admitting he was right and saying sorry.
Someone hasn't seen the Imaginationland Trilogy.
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Mike
Remember when free agency killed competition in MLB and the NBA?. LOL. Full blown dynasties like the old Yankees and Celtics are a thing of the past - BECAUSE of free agency. And as a bonus to the owners - as interest grew the value of their franchises went through the roof. Huge win/win that the owners in their myopia) fought tooth and nail.
Aren't you forgetting the degree portion? I mean I love MU to my core but if I was in a spot where I could have transferred to Duke or Vanderbilt or an Ivy and gotten a degree then I would've been a fool not to. Pro sports is a false equivalency.
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You failed to mentioned one MAJOR part of your thesis. Salary caps. The salary caps and luxury taxes put into place were in large part to prevent the run away rich teams from winning. Not sure why that slipped your mind being a former sports reporter and all.
Yet despite even those measures, you still have the richest teams buying the best players. The NBA finally made some adjustments that allow players to get the most by staying with their teams, but they had to institute that BECAUSE of Free Agency. Weird that those changes didn't make it from your head to your fingers on the keyboard. Very weird.
Salary caps and luxury taxes are in place to limit the money that the players made. Baseball has a limited luxury tax, where Homer Bailey makes $23 million this year. Andrew Luck, one of the best QBs in the NFL, makes $21.1 million.
A better comparison would be the Olympics which $$$ problems with hosting not withstanding, is just as popular with professionals as it was with "amateurs."
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If NCAA goes to free agency and allows athletes to be compensated (and/or sell their likeness), does anyone believe that MU hoops would ever be competitive in that space?
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If NCAA goes to free agency and allows athletes to be compensated (and/or sell their likeness), does anyone believe that MU hoops would ever be competitive in that space?
Yes. We're currently able to be competitive with facilities, coaching slaries, and support staff despite not getting a massive payout like the P5 schools receive. Most those schools are focused on football. If they had to competitively compensate 85 roster spots for football, MU could actually be able to improve their competitiveness in basketball.
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Aren't you forgetting the degree portion? I mean I love MU to my core but if I was in a spot where I could have transferred to Duke or Vanderbilt or an Ivy and gotten a degree then I would've been a fool not to. Pro sports is a false equivalency.
What percentage of the top players stick around long enough to get degrees? Would a lot of juniors be transferring from, say, Michigan State, to Harvard? Don't see that as a problem.
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Salary caps and luxury taxes are in place to limit the money that the players made. Baseball has a limited luxury tax, where Homer Bailey makes $23 million this year. Andrew Luck, one of the best QBs in the NFL, makes $21.1 million.
TBH, baseball's luxury tax amounts to a hard cap these days. Just ask Kimbrel, Keuchel and so many others. It's embarrassing. The MLBPA is a shell of its former self.
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TBH, baseball's luxury tax amounts to a hard cap these days. Just ask Kimbrel, Keuchel and so many others. It's embarrassing. The MLBPA is a shell of its former self.
True. But the stars still also make a lot. I think baseball is more to teams realizing the production of older players is not worth the extra price over the younger controllable players. If anything, they need to revamp the system where every player is a FA around say 25.
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True. But the stars still also make a lot. I think baseball is more to teams realizing the production of older players is not worth the extra price over the younger controllable players. If anything, they need to revamp the system where every player is a FA around say 25.
Screw that. Salary caps are un-American. The owners are drowning in revenue streams & the resultant spike in franchise values has moved most into the economic stratosphere. Meanwhile the owners spend less & less on the product they put before fans while they get paper cuts from counting the ever-increasing piles of cash -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2019/01/11/economic-data-shows-mlb-spent-less-on-player-salaries-compared-to-revenues-in-2018/#5366af7139d7 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2019/01/11/economic-data-shows-mlb-spent-less-on-player-salaries-compared-to-revenues-in-2018/#5366af7139d7) and here https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/)
I'd rather have the players -- u know, the actual talent we're paying to see -- get paid rather than an anonymous and likely cantankerous owner. MLB has succeeded in neutering the MLBPA, and now easily keeps revenue away from the on the field talent.
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Yes. We're currently able to be competitive with facilities, coaching slaries, and support staff despite not getting a massive payout like the P5 schools receive. Most those schools are focused on football. If they had to competitively compensate 85 roster spots for football, MU could actually be able to improve their competitiveness in basketball.
Just about every P5 school is public, which typically means a far greater number of boosters they can draw upon for the extra $50k they need to for such and such recruit, or at least $10k more than MU is offering. Not worried about UK, KU, UNC, UL etc.... they’re already maxxxing out the checkbook as it is. What I’m concerned about are boosters and used car dealer alums coming out of the woodwork at Illinois, IU, Purdue, Minnesota, etc. now that it’s above-board to write checks to attract kids who otherwise wouldn’t be considering a “football” school today.
On the court, MU can hang with anyone in D-I. But off the court, MU is D-II at best when it comes to the stupid money that’s going to be chasing every top 100 recruit, and probably most of the 3 stars.
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Just about every P5 school is public, which typically means a far greater number of boosters they can draw upon for the extra $50k they need to for such and such recruit, or at least $10k more than MU is offering. Not worried about UK, KU, UNC, UL etc.... they’re already maxxxing out the checkbook as it is. What I’m concerned about are boosters and used car dealer alums coming out of the woodwork at Illinois, IU, Purdue, Minnesota, etc. now that it’s above-board to write checks to attract kids who otherwise wouldn’t be considering a “football” school today.
On the court, MU can hang with anyone in D-I. But off the court, MU is D-II at best when it comes to the stupid money that’s going to be chasing every top 100 recruit, and probably most of the 3 stars.
I don't know where you are getting nearly every power 5 school is public, there are 12 of 65 Power 5 schools (counting ND) that are private, which is 18.5% of the schools. So the majority are public but saying almost every one is public is an overstatement.
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Screw that. Salary caps are un-American. The owners are drowning in revenue streams & the resultant spike in franchise values has moved most into the economic stratosphere. Meanwhile the owners spend less & less on the product they put before fans while they get paper cuts from counting the ever-increasing piles of cash -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2019/01/11/economic-data-shows-mlb-spent-less-on-player-salaries-compared-to-revenues-in-2018/#5366af7139d7 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2019/01/11/economic-data-shows-mlb-spent-less-on-player-salaries-compared-to-revenues-in-2018/#5366af7139d7) and here https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/)
I'd rather have the players -- u know, the actual talent we're paying to see -- get paid rather than an anonymous and likely cantankerous owner. MLB has succeeded in neutering the MLBPA, and now easily keeps revenue away from the on the field talent.
I totally agree.
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I don't know where you are getting nearly every power 5 school is public, there are 12 of 65 Power 5 schools (counting ND) that are private, which is 18.5% of the schools. So the majority are public but saying almost every one is public is an overstatement.
Sorry, perhaps I should have used "sh|t-ton"... would that appease the moot semantics beast within?
Nevertheless, the point remains: P5 schools have more alumni with stupid money than MU.
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Screw that. Salary caps are un-American. The owners are drowning in revenue streams & the resultant spike in franchise values has moved most into the economic stratosphere. Meanwhile the owners spend less & less on the product they put before fans while they get paper cuts from counting the ever-increasing piles of cash -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2019/01/11/economic-data-shows-mlb-spent-less-on-player-salaries-compared-to-revenues-in-2018/#5366af7139d7 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2019/01/11/economic-data-shows-mlb-spent-less-on-player-salaries-compared-to-revenues-in-2018/#5366af7139d7) and here https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/)
I'd rather have the players -- u know, the actual talent we're paying to see -- get paid rather than an anonymous and likely cantankerous owner. MLB has succeeded in neutering the MLBPA, and now easily keeps revenue away from the on the field talent.
I agree in principle. But no one in the mlb gets any money sympathy from me. I wish the owners would stop making so much, the top players relax a bit, etc. Then mark down prices so it doesn't cost a family of 4 a week's paycheck to enjoy a game.