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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: drbob on June 20, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
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Good enough to be a first round pick !! Maybe should have recruited him instead of Joey . I assume he was the one who had problems playing with him .
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Ok.
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MU recruited Herro. Herro was never coming to MU. This isn’t hard to comprehend.
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It is for some.
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Hausers did not want to play with Herro, and that was that. Wojo calculated he'd rather have 4 years of Joey then 1 year of Herro & an unhappy Sam.
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2017/10/17/16492878/tyler-herro-decommits-wisconsin-basketball-recruiting
"When he committed to Wisconsin last year, he did so while holding offers from “dream school” Arizona and Marquette, as well as Creighton, Florida, Indiana, Iowa State, Purdue, Xavier, and others."
https://marquettewire.org/3953484/sports/recruiting-herro-picks-wisconsin-over-mu-others/
"For the second time in 34 days, head basketball coach Steve Wojciechowski and his staff came up short on a highly-touted recruit in Milwaukee County. This time Tyler Herro, a 2018 guard and resident of Greenfield, Wisconsin, opted to attend Wisconsin."
https://usatodayhss.com/2017/tyler-herro-decommits-from-wisconsin
"He initially chose UW over Arizona, Florida, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, Marquette and several other schools."
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21057553/tyler-herro-no-27-espn-100-decommits-wisconsin-badgers
"Prior to his commitment, Herro had a long list of schools involved in his recruitment, including Marquette, DePaul, Arizona, Oregon and Arizona State."
http://snotapwi.com/tyler-herro-chooses-wisconsin-over-marquette/
"Tyler Herro, a 6’4 guard from Whitnall High School, committed to Wisconsin over Marquette and countless other schools yesterday."
So can we be done with the duma$$ narrative that Wojo didn't recruit Tyler Herro?
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Hausers did not want to play with Herro, and that was that. Wojo calculated he'd rather have 4 years of Joey then 1 year of Herro & an unhappy Sam.
And Wojo ended up with one year of Joey and an unhappy Sam.
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Badger fans: enjoy riding the pine at Kentucky
Herro: enjoy watching me play in Miami
I’m happy for him. Kid bet on himself. And won. Big time.
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And Wojo ended up with one year of Joey and an unhappy Sam.
1) Kind of ironic.
2) Superbar.
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Hat's off to the kid. He rolled the dice and it paid off. I definitely love his style of ball.
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Good for him.
He was never playing at MU, not sure why that reality isn’t recognized.
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2017/10/17/16492878/tyler-herro-decommits-wisconsin-basketball-recruiting
"When he committed to Wisconsin last year, he did so while holding offers from “dream school” Arizona and Marquette, as well as Creighton, Florida, Indiana, Iowa State, Purdue, Xavier, and others."
https://marquettewire.org/3953484/sports/recruiting-herro-picks-wisconsin-over-mu-others/
"For the second time in 34 days, head basketball coach Steve Wojciechowski and his staff came up short on a highly-touted recruit in Milwaukee County. This time Tyler Herro, a 2018 guard and resident of Greenfield, Wisconsin, opted to attend Wisconsin."
https://usatodayhss.com/2017/tyler-herro-decommits-from-wisconsin
"He initially chose UW over Arizona, Florida, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, Marquette and several other schools."
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21057553/tyler-herro-no-27-espn-100-decommits-wisconsin-badgers
"Prior to his commitment, Herro had a long list of schools involved in his recruitment, including Marquette, DePaul, Arizona, Oregon and Arizona State."
http://snotapwi.com/tyler-herro-chooses-wisconsin-over-marquette/
"Tyler Herro, a 6’4 guard from Whitnall High School, committed to Wisconsin over Marquette and countless other schools yesterday."
So can we be done with the duma$$ narrative that Wojo didn't recruit Tyler Herro?
We must continue the narrative that wojo gave the hausers everything they wanted and that the hausers are spoiled and dont want to play with superstars. Which is why they went to teams with tons of them
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S u p e r b a r
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Why are we still talking about the Hauser bi+ches?
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Hat's off to the kid. He rolled the dice and it paid off. I definitely love his style of ball.
Couldn't agree more. Herro has the offense, defense, and swag to enjoy a long NBA career. Just the type of 2 guard this program continues to need.
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So, about the rumors the Hausers did not want to play with him. I can't recall the supposed reason. Help me out.
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I think it was because Herro is a difficult person to be around basically.
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Yes and that the Hausers told Wojo they did not want to play with him and Wojo capitulated. This was treated pretty much as gospel. Now refuted by the Hauser lovers. Seems even more likely given everything we have learned about these people over the last few months.
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I know that I sure enjoyed watching Herro single-handedly carrying Kentucky to the national title this season.
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Couldn't agree more. Herro has the offense, defense, and swag to enjoy a long NBA career. Just the type of 2 guard this program continues to need.
In order to sign players of this caliber, MU currently has to find undervalued candidates who are on the verge of a steep upward trajectory ,cultivate an early and deep relationship with them and sign them up before their true value is seen by better programs. Easier said than done, because every program similarly situated to MU is doing a version of the same thing.
The other option is to win and get deep into the tournament every year, and consistently produce players drafted by the NBA. Kids will become more receptive to MU pitch with those two things as a tail wind.
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Yes and that the Hausers told Wojo they did not want to play with him and Wojo capitulated. This was treated pretty much as gospel. Now refuted by the Hauser lovers. Seems even more likely given everything we have learned about these people over the last few months.
That was rumored and dismissed by most at the time. Based on recent history, I don't treat those rumors as gospel, but I no longer dismiss them out of hand.
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In order to sign players of this caliber, MU currently has to find undervalued candidates who are on the verge of a steep upward trajectory ,cultivate an early and deep relationship with them and sign them up before their true value is seen by better programs. Easier said than done, because every program similarly situated to MU is doing a version of the same thing.
The other option is to win and get deep into the tournament every year, and consistently produce players drafted by the NBA. Kids will become more receptive to MU pitch with those two things as a tail wind.
Programs that are not blue bloods are in a tough spot when it comes to recruiting blue chip kids like Herro and Dawson Garcia. The badgers even “signed up” Herro early and still lost him when Kentucky showed interest. I mentioned Dawson Garcia because I feel the same thing will happen to MU. They are a “front runner” and recruit the kid for years and then just like that Kentucky or another blue blood gives him one phone call and the whole recruitment turns and it’s over for schools like MU at that point.
I no longer get excited about being mentioned with elite level recruits. If there isn’t a brother involved, this staff hasn’t really shown the ability to close on highly sought after recruits. Howard and Torrence are exceptional cases as they both reclassified and were offered a spot a year earlier than most other major programs would have offered.
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Yes and that the Hausers told Wojo they did not want to play with him and Wojo capitulated. This was treated pretty much as gospel. Now refuted by the Hauser lovers. Seems even more likely given everything we have learned about these people over the last few months.
Wojo should have told the Hausers tough luck and then Joey could have signed with Michigan State out of high school and then when Herro signed with Kentucky and Sam transferred before last season, we could have fired Wojo after last season. He ruins everything
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Yes and that the Hausers told Wojo they did not want to play with him and Wojo capitulated. This was treated pretty much as gospel. Now refuted by the Hauser lovers. Seems even more likely given everything we have learned about these people over the last few months.
It was treated as gospel by Scoopers who were delusional enough to think we were "in" on Herro. It provided an excuse for not getting him. A BS excuse, but an excuse nonetheless.
We recruited Herro, he picked UW over us, and when he blew up he decommitted from UW and went "blue blood".
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It was treated as gospel by Scoopers who were delusional enough to think we were "in" on Herro. It provided an excuse for not getting him. A BS excuse, but an excuse nonetheless.
We recruited Herro, he picked UW over us, and when he blew up he decommitted from UW and went "blue blood".
It was actually Big Daddy who said the Hausers told Wojo they wouldn't be comfortable with him
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From what I was told, Herro never showed much interest in Marquette, even when he was visiting unofficially. The comment of "didn't really seem like he wanted to be here" while he was visiting.
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From what I was told, Herro never showed much interest in Marquette, even when he was visiting unofficially. The comment of "didn't really seem like he wanted to be here" while he was visiting.
That would be Grimes
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Couldn't agree more. Herro has the offense, defense, and swag to enjoy a long NBA career. Just the type of 2 guard this program continues to need.
very similar to divincenzo. i think i'd rather have the eyetalian though. both can shoot, but donte is one of quickest white boys i've seen. not sure about herro's defense though doc
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That would be Grimes
No, this was attributed to the Herro unofficial visit(s). I was told that he was a bit disrespectful to some people involved with the program and by that I was to assume to some of the programs support staff.
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It was actually Big Daddy who said the Hausers told Wojo they wouldn't be comfortable with him
Well, maybe the Hausers would have been (who knows, total speculation) but that didn't stop Wojo and co. from recruiting them. That's a fact.
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very similar to divincenzo. i think i'd rather have the eyetalian though. both can shoot, but donte is one of quickest white boys i've seen. not sure about herro's defense though doc
Yup, and his wingspan is not good either.
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I no longer get excited about being mentioned with elite level recruits. If there isn’t a brother involved, this staff hasn’t really shown the ability to close on highly sought after recruits. Howard and Torrence are exceptional cases as they both reclassified and were offered a spot a year earlier than most other major programs would have offered.
So if I understand correctly ...
Hank, Joey, Markus and Symir don't really count as hits ... but Grimes, Herro, Hagans and Dainja do count as misses.
Good to know the rules going in.
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He's a hell of a baller. I stand firm on my critique of Herro, the basketball player.
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It was treated as gospel by Scoopers who were delusional enough to think we were "in" on Herro. It provided an excuse for not getting him. A BS excuse, but an excuse nonetheless.
We recruited Herro, he picked UW over us, and when he blew up he decommitted from UW and went "blue blood".
Big Daddy
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg957337#msg957337
No BS at all. As for UW, they are ALWASYS going to get some players that we don't from certain parts of the state. This is a provincial state, kids are put in Badger diapers from day one. That's the way it goes. Sorry, this isn't the 1970's or 1980's when UW-Madison sucked, they have been easily one of the top 10 programs in the country the last 20 years which is the world we recruit in, not the one Al or KO or Majerus did when UW-Madison was on a 47 year dry spell to the tournament.
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Jay Bilas ( I think it was him) didn't seem so excited yesterday, thought he was taken too high. We'll see how this kid pans out, but I don't see long term career with him unless it is as a specialist.
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Well, maybe the Hausers would have been (who knows, total speculation) but that didn't stop Wojo and co. from recruiting them. That's a fact.
Marquette offered Herro early. That's true. How many 5-star in-state players have we not offered in the past 20 years?
By the time he committed & when he reopened his recruitment, Marquette was no longer involved. Similar to Looney. Similar to Stone. Similar to Tokoto. Just because those players once held a Marquette offer doesn't mean Marquette was putting resources into recruiting them once decision time arrived.
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Marquette offered Herro early. That's true. How many 5-star in-state players have we not offered in the past 20 years?
By the time he committed & when he reopened his recruitment, Marquette was no longer involved. Similar to Looney. Similar to Stone. Similar to Tokoto. Just because those players once held a Marquette offer doesn't mean Marquette was putting resources into recruiting them once decision time arrived.
I agree, Brew. MU didn't go after Herro the 2nd time around - we knew he wanted a Kentucky (blue blood) situation that we couldn't provide.
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Marquette offered Herro early. That's true. How many 5-star in-state players have we not offered in the past 20 years?
By the time he committed & when he reopened his recruitment, Marquette was no longer involved. Similar to Looney. Similar to Stone. Similar to Tokoto. Just because those players once held a Marquette offer doesn't mean Marquette was putting resources into recruiting them once decision time arrived.
But when he decommitted from UW it was pretty obvious he wasn't looking for Marquette. So why waste resources.
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Jay Bilas ( I think it was him) didn't seem so excited yesterday, thought he was taken too high. We'll see how this kid pans out, but I don't see long term career with him unless it is as a specialist.
I know it is cliche, but heart cannot be measured and this kid plays with a lot of heart. I also give the young man credit for working hard on all aspects of his game. He didn't just settle for being a good shooter.
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Yes, heart is difficult to measure. Hopefully he does well, this is certainly his dream and very few get to fulfill their dreams.
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Yup, and his wingspan is not good either.
He's got major bust potential, don't see it with him at all
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I know it is cliche, but heart cannot be measured and this kid plays with a lot of heart. I also give the young man credit for working hard on all aspects of his game. He didn't just settle for being a good shooter.
Actually, you can measure a heart with things like cardiac ultrasounds and stress echocardiograms.
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He's a hell of a baller. I stand firm on my critique of Herro, the basketball player.
that he is, BUT, something about him makes me pause...he has a little bit of cockiness that can go either way AND he does look a little like johnny football. i wish him well and hope he uses his promotion to his advantage
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He's got major bust potential, don't see it with him at all
I agree. His ceiling is a 10-year solid contributor, don't see him ever being a star. His floor is out of the league in 3 years. Too much bust potential, without the chance for major upside for a lottery pick.
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Well, maybe the Hausers would have been (who knows, total speculation) but that didn't stop Wojo and co. from recruiting them. That's a fact.
This was after we knew Joey was coming. Per Big Daddy and it ended up being prophetical:
Surprised we did not hear from Big Daddy over the last couple of days regarding Grimes. Was hoping for insight on what happened and what's the deal with Herro.Guess I will wait to read about in the paper.
Goose I lost a sibling last week unexpectedly. Mu is important, but family first. She had a great life and her husband is a fellow warrior.
Grimes story will have to wait.
Some other items are easier. Sometimes a hypothetical player say player T makes it clear they want to play with players S&J, but that does not mean Players J&S want the same thing Sometimes a player will even switch teams to get away from a player. Coaches know that chemistry is critical.
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This was after we knew Joey was coming. Per Big Daddy and it ended up being prophetical:
Surprised we did not hear from Big Daddy over the last couple of days regarding Grimes. Was hoping for insight on what happened and what's the deal with Herro.Guess I will wait to read about in the paper.
Goose I lost a sibling last week unexpectedly. Mu is important, but family first. She had a great life and her husband is a fellow warrior.
Grimes story will have to wait.
Some other items are easier. Sometimes a hypothetical player say player T makes it clear they want to play with players S&J, but that does not mean Players J&S want the same thing Sometimes a player will even switch teams to get away from a player. Coaches know that chemistry is critical.
sorry for your loss news. peace
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This was after we knew Joey was coming. Per Big Daddy and it ended up being prophetical:
Surprised we did not hear from Big Daddy over the last couple of days regarding Grimes. Was hoping for insight on what happened and what's the deal with Herro.Guess I will wait to read about in the paper.
Goose I lost a sibling last week unexpectedly. Mu is important, but family first. She had a great life and her husband is a fellow warrior.
Grimes story will have to wait.
Some other items are easier. Sometimes a hypothetical player say player T makes it clear they want to play with players S&J, but that does not mean Players J&S want the same thing Sometimes a player will even switch teams to get away from a player. Coaches know that chemistry is critical.
Sensing a theme from the Diva Boys.
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sorry for your loss news. peace
That was a Big Daddy quote he was the one who lost the sibling
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My advice to Herro: keep your parents away from your money. A lot of red flags about Pa Herro.
Part of me thinks that the Herro-Hausers storyline may have had more to do with the parents than their sons. Especially if the Hauser parents were as involved as their exit from MU suggests.
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That was a Big Daddy quote he was the one who lost the sibling
thanks for the clarification-missed the first line
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This was after we knew Joey was coming. Per Big Daddy and it ended up being prophetical:
Surprised we did not hear from Big Daddy over the last couple of days regarding Grimes. Was hoping for insight on what happened and what's the deal with Herro.Guess I will wait to read about in the paper.
Goose I lost a sibling last week unexpectedly. Mu is important, but family first. She had a great life and her husband is a fellow warrior.
Grimes story will have to wait.
Some other items are easier. Sometimes a hypothetical player say player T makes it clear they want to play with players S&J, but that does not mean Players J&S want the same thing Sometimes a player will even switch teams to get away from a player. Coaches know that chemistry is critical.
Big Daddy had some good info
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Thoughts from D Wade on Herro
https://twitter.com/DwyaneWade/status/1141875288609099776
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Herro actually had a lot more interest in MU then people on here think. He saw Ellenson go one and done so he knew he could launch to NBA from MU. WOJO gave way more attention to the Hauser Boys. We knew they were Jokers. Should have made Herro #1 priority. MU may have won the National title last year. Herro's leadership and skills would have reigned in Howard's game. Everyone can down play it on here, but I know the truth and it hurts.
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Herro actually had a lot more interest in MU then people on here think. He saw Ellenson go one and done so he knew he could launch to NBA from MU. WOJO gave way more attention to the Hauser Boys. We knew they were Jokers. Should have made Herro #1 priority. MU may have won the National title last year. Herro's leadership and skills would have reigned in Howard's game. Everyone can down play it on here, but I know the truth and it hurts.
This isn’t accurate.
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Very accurate bro.
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Very accurate bro.
Not at all “bro.” 🙄
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Herro actually had a lot more interest in MU then people on here think. He saw Ellenson go one and done so he knew he could launch to NBA from MU. WOJO gave way more attention to the Hauser Boys. We knew they were Jokers. Should have made Herro #1 priority. MU may have won the National title last year. Herro's leadership and skills would have reigned in Howard's game. Everyone can down play it on here, but I know the truth and it hurts.
Cheesy did Herro want to play with Hausers? Did he try to recruit Joey to U W while he (Herro) was committed there? Just curious. Obviously the cows are out of the barn.
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Actually he did want to play with Hausers. But now he is playing for Heat so it won't be happening. Took a few years but finally Cheesy and I have been proven correct after all the ridicule from this post. I see this kid Futures game next year and likely All Star game in 3-4 years.
Shooting is at premium in BB. See MU's last game for further proof. If MU would have figured that out and not doubled Morant all game they may have gone a bit farther in tourney and maybe Hausers coexist with Howard after a good tourney run. Just a horrific game plan to double and triple a more than willing passer.
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Cheesy did Herro want to play with Hausers? Did he try to recruit Joey to U W while he (Herro) was committed there? Just curious. Obviously the cows are out of the barn.
Yes there was public Twitter posts by TY encouraging Joey to come to Wisconsin.
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Kid can flat out ball. Went from potentially undrafted as a freshman to the lottery. Worked his ass off to get der. Woulda looked outstanding in an MU uni, hey?
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Can we move this to the superbar already?
This thread is really something.
Oh! A lottery pick would have been a good get for MU?? No crap.
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Can we move this to the superbar already?
This thread is really something.
Oh! A lottery pick would have been a good get for MU?? No crap.
It’s peak scoop. A troll talking to itself, Herm asking the troll questions and other assorted nonsense
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If MU would have figured that out and not doubled Morant all game they may have gone a bit farther in tourney and maybe Hausers coexist with Howard after a good tourney run. Just a horrific game plan to double and triple a more than willing passer.
Agree 100%. Morant is a good shooter and an elite, out of this world passer. We made it harder for him to shoot and easier for him to pass. Totally ass backwards - and we paid the price.
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It’s peak scoop. A troll talking to itself, Herm asking the troll questions and other assorted nonsense
This is an internet basketball message board. Not the New England Journal of Medicine.
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This is an internet basketball message board. Not the New England Journal of Medicine.
It is a Marquette specific message board. Marquette also had offers out to Jordan Poole and Bruno Fernando, both of whom got drafted as well as Herro. Why do you not obsess over them as well?
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It is a Marquette specific message board. Marquette also had offers out to Jordan Poole and Bruno Fernando, both of whom got drafted as well as Herro. Why do you not obsess over them as well?
Because the title of this thread is Herro.
Delighted that a Milwaukee kid like Poole was drafted. We should not have thrown Deonte under the bus. Our standing in Milwaukee basketball circles would be much higher.
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Because the title of this thread is Herro.
So you think that it's your duty to post on every single thread? You added quite a bit of good information to this one about someone who will actually attend Marquette and help the basketball team.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58793.0
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Because the title of this thread is Herro.
Delighted that a Milwaukee kid like Poole was drafted. We should not have thrown Deonte under the bus. Our standing in Milwaukee basketball circles would be much higher.
We threw Deonte under the bus.....that’s not what Deonte says.
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We threw Deonte under the bus.....that’s not what Deonte says.
Marquette didn’t throw Deonte under the bus. Maybe Herm heard that when he was on campus with Quentin Grimes during his visit
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We threw Deonte under the bus.....that’s not what Deonte says.
Deonte is a first class kid. Of course he is not going to say that.
Please reference all Ners posting on this topic. Thanks.
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We should not have thrown Deonte under the bus. Our standing in Milwaukee basketball circles would be much higher.
If only Deonte's mom hadn't died, maybe that would've been good for Marquette, right?
FFS stop this stupidity.
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If only Deonte's mom hadn't died, maybe that would've been good for Marquette, right?
FFS stop this stupidity.
Had zero to do with it.
Rookie coach mistake.
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Deonte is a first class kid. Of course he is not going to say that.
Please reference all Ners posting on this topic. Thanks.
So Deonte used his mom as a prop in going to Iowa State? Sorry, I don’t buy it.
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Had zero to do with it.
Rookie coach mistake.
Zero, come on Herman.
He has been interviewed many times about this and the story is the same each time. He went to MU because his mom was sick. When she passed, he needed to get out and that has consistently been his statement each season when asked. I’m sure there could be a myriad of other reasons, but let’s not enter the twilight zone here.
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This is an internet basketball message board. Not the New England Journal of Medicine.
Fookin' solid, Bro.
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Had zero to do with it.
Rookie coach mistake.
Outstanding Comedy
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Outstanding Comedy
Hard to Pry that Bone.
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Kid can flat out ball. Went from potentially undrafted as a freshman to the lottery. Worked his ass off to get der. Woulda looked outstanding in an MU uni, hey?
He would've looked as good in an MU uniform as Zion and RJ would've looked.
Doesn't change the fact that none of them were ever going to put on an MU uniform.
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He went to MU because his mom was sick.
BS. Fake news. Lie. Please supply links to this made up story.
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BS. Fake news. Lie. Please supply links to this made up story.
While Burton’s career was taking off, little did he or his siblings know, Burton-Malone was dying. She was diagnosed with breast cancer as early as 2009. Even her daughter doesn’t know when for sure. Burton-Malone tried to keep it under wraps and didn’t tell her children until 2012. The decision had a monumental impact on Burton, who decided to attend Marquette so he could stay close to home and support his mother. Burton-Malone would undergo chemotherapy treatments and still come to games."
"I guess I would say I didn’t process it right away,” Burton said. “It took me a little bit before I actually processed it and realized she was actually gone.”
The family had time to prepare for her death. Burton-Malone had planned her own funeral. But it rocked Burton’s world. Burton had attended Marquette to be close to his mom.
Now that she was gone, he didn’t have a reason to stay. Instead, her death was a reason to go.
“He couldn’t even go to the stadium or stuff because it took a toll on him because he always thought about my mom because she was always there at the games — and loud,” said Burton’s brother, Omar.Burton not only wanted to leave Marquette, he wanted to quit basketball."
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2017/03/14/deonte-burton-leaving-legacy----bright-pink-one----honor-his-mom/99162890/
Let me know if you want more "made up", fake news, BS, Lies as this isn't the only article on this subject.
You are welcome!!
Love and Kisses
Cheeks
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And let's do it again. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel did a nice write-up, including his pronounced love for MU and how he would like to get a Masters degree from MU....it also goes into why he left and why he came in the first place. More lies. Fake News. BS....LOL. There are at LEAST 5 other articles that say the same thing, written by different people....they're all in cahoots together, eh Lenny?
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/gary-damato/2017/03/15/damato-emotional-homecoming-burton/99185454/
"His mom had been his biggest cheerleader and came to games even while undergoing chemotherapy treatments. He’d picked Marquette after starring at Milwaukee Vincent High School because it allowed him to be close to her.
He left because after his mother, Barbara Burton-Malone, lost her five-year battle with breast cancer in October 2014, he needed a change of scenery."
Love and kisses.
Cheeks
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Had zero to do with it.
Rookie coach mistake.
Sorry Herman
“I was in a bad space when it came to basketball after my mother passed,” Burton said. “I didn’t want to play anymore and getting away from the city helped. It was a long process. I just had to heal and accept the fact that my mother died.”
Sorry Herman, how is the above sentence = Zero to do with it and a rookie coach mistake? The man needed to get out, and he did.
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MU may have won the National title last year. Herro's leadership and skills would have reigned in Howard's game.
This is fun stuff.
Herro couldn't lead a team full of 5-stars at a true blueblood past an overmanned Auburn team in the Elite Eight, but he would have led Marquette to the national title.
Herro couldn't lead his high school team within 45 points of Bay View in an early-round WIAA tourney game, but he would have led Marquette to the national title.
You forgot to say that Herro would have lept a tall building in a single bound and saved the world from Lex Luthor, too!
This thread is filled with fairy tales about Burton being thrown under the bus, about the Hausers being either angels or devils, etc, but the "Herro is the best player in the history of mankind" angle is a personal fave.
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While Burton’s career was taking off, little did he or his siblings know, Burton-Malone was dying. She was diagnosed with breast cancer as early as 2009. Even her daughter doesn’t know when for sure. Burton-Malone tried to keep it under wraps and didn’t tell her children until 2012. The decision had a monumental impact on Burton, who decided to attend Marquette so he could stay close to home and support his mother. Burton-Malone would undergo chemotherapy treatments and still come to games."
"I guess I would say I didn’t process it right away,” Burton said. “It took me a little bit before I actually processed it and realized she was actually gone.”
The family had time to prepare for her death. Burton-Malone had planned her own funeral. But it rocked Burton’s world. Burton had attended Marquette to be close to his mom.
Now that she was gone, he didn’t have a reason to stay. Instead, her death was a reason to go.
“He couldn’t even go to the stadium or stuff because it took a toll on him because he always thought about my mom because she was always there at the games — and loud,” said Burton’s brother, Omar.Burton not only wanted to leave Marquette, he wanted to quit basketball."
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2017/03/14/deonte-burton-leaving-legacy----bright-pink-one----honor-his-mom/99162890/
Let me know if you want more "made up", fake news, BS, Lies as this isn't the only article on this subject.
You are welcome!!
Love and Kisses
Cheeks
I see nothing/zero in either article quoting Burton on the subject - only assertions (like yours) from the sportswriters looking for a hook/angle to a feel good Mother/Son article. She was his biggest fan, went to all of his games. Whether healthy or sick he was staying close - that meant Marquette.
He is quoted as saying the reason behind his departure was his Mom's death, though. I believe it was A reason but not the only one. Had you said A reason Burton went to MU was his Mom's illness I would have no problem. THE reason is a different story (lazy, kind of like only, ever, never, etc.).
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I’m confused about why some are so certain there was something more nefarious about Deonte transferring. Are we that hard up to paint Wojo in a negative light we want to dredge up the death of his mother and convince others there was something else despite his own words? The kids mother dies and he’s in a world of hurt and transfers. Five years later, it’s still a referendum on Wojo. No one knows anything other than what Deonte said. Amazing
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I’m confused about why some are so certain there was something more nefarious about Deonte transferring. Are we that hard up to paint Wojo in a negative light we want to dredge up the death of his mother and convince others there was something else despite his own words? The kids mother dies and he’s in a world of hurt and transfers. Five years later, it’s still a referendum on Wojo. No one knows anything other than what Deonte said. Amazing
The only people, to my recollection, I've seen say something definitive about deonte and how wojo "threw him under the bus" is ners and Herman.
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The only people, to my recollection, I've seen say something definitive about deonte and how wojo "threw him under the bus" is ners and Herman.
And Herman constantly quotes Ners, as if that's "proof" of something.
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And Herman constantly quotes Ners, as if that's "proof" of something.
I just want to give him credit for all the work he put in.
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I have a friend going blind from diabetes. He is selling his library of 1,400 books, mostly military.
I know hard to believe. Well I looked over his collection and probably half were about some "inside story". Conspiracies about the Titanic, Pearl Harbour, Bengazi, 911, Chappaquitic, the assinations of the Kennedy's, the Kursk sinking, TWA flight 900, Pentagon secretes, and on and on.
My rakeway, is that we are living in a time when EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.
MUScoop trades in conspiracies. What a world we live in.
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I have a friend going blind from diabetes. He is selling his library of 1,400 books, mostly military.
I know hard to believe. Well I looked over his collection and probably half were about some "inside story". Conspiracies about the Titanic, Pearl Harbour, Bengazi, 911, Chappaquitic, the assinations of the Kennedy's, the Kursk sinking, TWA flight 900, Pentagon secretes, and on and on.
My rakeway, is that we are living in a time when EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.
MUScoop trades in conspiracies. What a world we live in.
Hopefully you bought a few .
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Lenny, they're all in cahoots. All these journalists over different time periods interviewing him heard the same thing, wrote the same thing.....but it's a giant lie, fake news, all because......well because someone thinks their bestest coach fandom is in jeopardy. Don't worry, Buzz did plenty to get him to MU, and Deonte's mom liked Buzz a lot. But every one of these authors says the same thing, that he stayed locally because of his mom.
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/17/nba-draft-prospect-deonte-burton-journey
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2017/03/14/deonte-burton-leaving-legacy----bright-pink-one----honor-his-mom/99162890/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/gary-damato/2017/03/15/damato-emotional-homecoming-burton/99185454/
http://www.isdhoops.com/article/mothers-love
Etc etc etc
Yup, all in cahoots....all making up the same lies and fake news. Congratulations.
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Lenny, they're all in cahoots. All these journalists over different time periods interviewing him heard the same thing, wrote the same thing.....but it's a giant lie, fake news, all because......well because someone thinks their bestest coach fandom is in jeopardy. Don't worry, Buzz did plenty to get him to MU, and Deonte's mom liked Buzz a lot. But every one of these authors says the same thing, that he stayed locally because of his mom.
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/17/nba-draft-prospect-deonte-burton-journey
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2017/03/14/deonte-burton-leaving-legacy----bright-pink-one----honor-his-mom/99162890/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/gary-damato/2017/03/15/damato-emotional-homecoming-burton/99185454/
http://www.isdhoops.com/article/mothers-love
Etc etc etc
Yup, all in cahoots....all making up the same lies and fake news. Congratulations.
Why are you so worked up over this it is past history. Different historians have different takes. Of all people you should know that news stories are sourced by PR.
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Lenny, they're all in cahoots. All these journalists over different time periods interviewing him heard the same thing, wrote the same thing.....but it's a giant lie, fake news, all because......well because someone thinks their bestest coach fandom is in jeopardy. Don't worry, Buzz did plenty to get him to MU, and Deonte's mom liked Buzz a lot. But every one of these authors says the same thing, that he stayed locally because of his mom.
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/17/nba-draft-prospect-deonte-burton-journey
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2017/03/14/deonte-burton-leaving-legacy----bright-pink-one----honor-his-mom/99162890/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/gary-damato/2017/03/15/damato-emotional-homecoming-burton/99185454/
http://www.isdhoops.com/article/mothers-love
Etc etc etc
Yup, all in cahoots....all making up the same lies and fake news. Congratulations.
Thanks for adding a couple of articles (why you relinked two I don't know).
Originally you said that THE reason that Burton came to MU was his mother's illness and that THE reason that he left was her death.
In discussing Deonte's decision to attend Marquette, one article states "Williams was integral in getting Deonte to Marquette". Translation? He was A reason (as was his Mom's illness). I'm sure there were also other reasons. Saying one was THE reason is lazy - and wrong.
His departure is a little trickier, but the article you cite talks about his close relationship with Buzz and about how skeptical he was of the new staff. Sure sounds like he may have stayed had Buzz stuck around. At the very least, his skepticism with Wojo and co. is A reason he left.
Bottom line - simplistic answers ("THE reason" as opposed to "A reason") to life's big decisions are almost always incomplete and therefore wrong. One of your own articles makes that clear.
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To say Stan Johnson was THE reason Markus Howard chose Marquette is blasphemy. To say Deonte’s mom’s illness was THE reason he chose MU is totally fine.
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To say Stan Johnson was THE reason Markus Howard chose Marquette is blasphemy. To say Deonte’s mom’s illness was THE reason he chose MU is totally fine.
Of course.
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To say Stan Johnson was THE reason Markus Howard chose Marquette is blasphemy. To say Deonte’s mom’s illness was THE reason he chose MU is totally fine.
I can only speak for myself. I have no problem with anybody saying Stan Johnson was THE reason Markus chose MU. All I say is that Markus came to MU because Wojo was smart enough to hire Stan Johnson. I view this as a major success for Wojo, for Stan and for MU basketball. Why anybody would view it differently is beyond me.
I totally agree that it's silly to say one factor is THE reason for this kind of thing. Heck, it's usually silly to say one factor is THE reason for anything in life. There almost always are multiple factors for any big decision. including the reasons Burton chose MU and chose to leave MU.
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I totally agree that it's silly to say one factor is THE reason for this kind of thing. Heck, it's usually silly to say one factor is THE reason for anything in life. There almost always are multiple factors for any big decision. including the reasons Burton chose MU and chose to leave MU.
+1. Making the complex simple is great for pushing agendas but bad for discovering the truth.
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Why are you so worked up over this it is past history. Different historians have different takes. Of all people you should know that news stories are sourced by PR.
Some news stories are, but usually with issuing a controlled statement or product launch, etc...interviews are usually not. These were sports interviews. I’ve been interviewed many times by the press, usually in sports publications and they are just a different animal....no planted quotes.
The fact is that Burton suffered from clinical depression which he came out later and admitted. The young man needed a change, he left the city and it was the right thing for him to do.
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Thanks for adding a couple of articles (why you relinked two I don't know).
Originally you said that THE reason that Burton came to MU was his mother's illness and that THE reason that he left was her death.
In discussing Deonte's decision to attend Marquette, one article states "Williams was integral in getting Deonte to Marquette". Translation? He was A reason (as was his Mom's illness). I'm sure there were also other reasons. Saying one was THE reason is lazy - and wrong.
His departure is a little trickier, but the article you cite talks about his close relationship with Buzz and about how skeptical he was of the new staff. Sure sounds like he may have stayed had Buzz stuck around. At the very least, his skepticism with Wojo and co. is A reason he left.
Bottom line - simplistic answers ("THE reason" as opposed to "A reason") to life's big decisions are almost always incomplete and therefore wrong. One of your own articles makes that clear.
Where did I say it was the only reason or the reason? He went to MU because his mom was sick. True, factual. Nice try on spinning out of this one. No dice.
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You guys are losers.
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Guys, grow up.
I hope Deonte Burton and Tyler Herro do well in life.
Yea, I wish both were Warriors for their entire career. But I feel that way about anyone who is really good.
Beyond that, if you don't like the J-S, find another outlet!
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It’s peak scoop. A troll talking to itself, Herm asking the troll questions and other assorted nonsense
Wojo,
McCheesy is Mr. Herro.
You should read Scoop more often.
Signed,
Rocky
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Where did I say it was the only reason or the reason? He went to MU because his mom was sick. True, factual. Nice try on spinning out of this one. No dice.
Not "the" reason, "a" reason or "one of the reasons". They don't mean the same thing.
If I said a reason or one of the reasons that Chico is successful is luck I would be correct. Even you would grudgingly agree. So, true, factual
If I said the reason that Chicos is successful is luck it would create a false impression - one that is not true.
Obvious distinction. "The reason" implies the only reason. "A reason" acknowledges multiple reasons. This was covered in grammar school - perhaps you were daydreaming.
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Q: Why did you go to Colorado?
A: I wanted to visit my mom.
Q: Didn't you also get airline miles?
A: Yes
Q: Doesn't your sister live in Colorado and you got to see her?
A: Yes
Q: Did you get any work done while there that was beneficial?
A: Yes
Q: So there were other reasons to go to Colorado?
A: Sure, there are always lots of reasons to do anything.
Q: So, again, why did you go to Colorado?
A: I wanted to see my mom.
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I’m confused about why some are so certain there was something more nefarious about Deonte transferring.
It fits a narrative.
Are we that hard up to paint Wojo in a negative light we want to dredge up the death of his mother and convince others there was something else despite his own words?
Yes. If Ners were still here he'd be piling on too.
The kids mother dies and he’s in a world of hurt and transfers. Five years later, it’s still a referendum on Wojo. No one knows anything other than what Deonte said. Amazing
But why would we take his word for it when we can use it to attack Wojo? What does Deonte know, anyway?
As 4ever would say, fookin' disgusting.
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Another one...good for him for being such a great son to want to play close to home and be with his "first love" as he called her. Great act by her son. Why would anyone question that.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/iowa-state-cyclones-jameel-mckay-deonte-burton-have-marquette-connection-b99693764z1-373517011.html/
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Q: Why did you go to Colorado?
A: I wanted to visit my mom.
Q: Didn't you also get airline miles?
A: Yes
Q: Doesn't your sister live in Colorado and you got to see her?
A: Yes
Q: Did you get any work done while there that was beneficial?
A: Yes
Q: So there were other reasons to go to Colorado?
A: Sure, there are always lots of reasons to do anything.
Q: So, again, why did you go to Colorado?
A: I wanted to see my mom.
Dumbest post ever.
Here's the same conversation with a person of normal IQ and understanding of English answering the inquisitor..
Q:Why did you go to Colorado?
A:Part business, part pleasure. I had work to do there, but primarily I wanted to see my Mom. As a bonus I also got to see my sister, who lives near Mom.
Q: What about miles?
A: Huh? What a dumb question. Of course I got miles - I generally do when I fly. But it wasn't a reason to take the trip. That would be stupid.
Q: You're right. My apologies. So you went mainly to see Mom, but also for business and to see your sister?
A:Yep
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I’m confused about why some are so certain there was something more nefarious about Deonte transferring. Are we that hard up to paint Wojo in a negative light we want to dredge up the death of his mother and convince others there was something else despite his own words? The kids mother dies and he’s in a world of hurt and transfers. Five years later, it’s still a referendum on Wojo. No one knows anything other than what Deonte said. Amazing
Yup, but that's the deal I guess. Deonte wrote publicly his battle with depression after his mom's death. One of his brother's commented on how he had to get out of Milwaukee and Wisconsin. His final two were MU and Iowa State, he ultimately chose MU to be closer to his mom while she was ill. Sure, all kinds of secondary reasons go into any decision in life if we want to play that game, but when asked that was his answer....multiple times. When again asked why he left, it was to get his mind better and get away from what was causing his depression.
God bless this young man, but it should not surprise you the piling on of the coach.
When Burton went public. Depression is a bitch, and absolute bitch for anyone that has had to live through it, or close to family / friends that do. Terrible. Glad he is on the right path.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-iowa-state-forward-deonte-034250933.html
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Not "the" reason, "a" reason or "one of the reasons". They don't mean the same thing.
If I said a reason or one of the reasons that Chico is successful is luck I would be correct. Even you would grudgingly agree. So, true, factual
If I said the reason that Chicos is successful is luck it would create a false impression - one that is not true.
Obvious distinction. "The reason" implies the only reason. "A reason" acknowledges multiple reasons. This was covered in grammar school - perhaps you were daydreaming.
I agree with you. He 100% wanted to transfer. Some percentage of that, likely the majority, was wanting to get away due to his mom's death. The other percentages are anyone's guess.
However, where do you fall on the "Wojo threw deonte under the bus" topic?
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I agree with you. He 100% wanted to transfer. Some percentage of that, likely the majority, was wanting to get away due to his mom's death. The other percentages are anyone's guess.
However, where do you fall on the "Wojo threw deonte under the bus" topic?
I don't know, but my guess is that it was more mutual skepticism than anything as nefarious as that.
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I don't know, but my guess is that it was more mutual skepticism than anything as nefarious as that.
I think that’s fair and don’t blame a kid being unsure of a new coach, especially after the coach who recruited him so hard bolts after a year. That’s some tough stuff to deal with at a young age like Deonte
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Buncha people who don't and never did know Deonte debating what was going on in his mind 5 years ago.
Scoop at it's dumbest.
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Buncha people who don't and never did know Deonte debating what was going on in his mind 5 years ago.
Scoop at it's dumbest.
Scoopers gonna be Scoopers!
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Buncha people who don't and never did know Deonte debating what was going on in his mind 5 years ago. In a thread titled 'Herro.'
Scoop at it's dumbest.
FIFY
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I rarely vent frustration re: anything Wojo has done, but Deonte is an exception. In his 8 games that sophomore year, he had one with more than 20 minutes. For a weak team.
It was frustrating for me, as someone who had touted Deonte as a likely future NBA player for years. If he had been playing 'normal' minutes relative to what I think he should have been at, would that have changed his decision? Don't know. But, I can't get to a place where I think his role on the team didn't factor into the equation whatsoever.
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I rarely vent frustration re: anything Wojo has done, but Deonte is an exception. In his 8 games that sophomore year, he had one with more than 20 minutes. For a weak team.
It was frustrating for me, as someone who had touted Deonte as a likely future NBA player for years. If he had been playing 'normal' minutes relative to what I think he should have been at, would that have changed his decision? Don't know. But, I can't get to a place where I think his role on the team didn't factor into the equation whatsoever.
He was checked out and said as much. He wanted no part of basketball, clinically depressed. Contemplated quitting altogether.
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https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article232183117.html;