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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: BCHoopster on June 01, 2019, 12:37:17 PM

Title: Ike
Post by: BCHoopster on June 01, 2019, 12:37:17 PM
The question has to be is he available to play after 2 years of not playing.  If so, he was a project anyway, does he have a chance to help or is he done?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: tower912 on June 01, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
He is currently under scholarship and working out with the team. 
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Dnice on June 01, 2019, 05:22:25 PM
Has wojo commented on Ike’s status?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 01, 2019, 06:31:11 PM
Ike is a valuable member of the team . He is practicing and hopefully will be able to contribute this year . Even if he cannot give any meaningful minutes, he has effectively stepped into Cam's role which is an important one.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: BCHoopster on June 01, 2019, 06:49:45 PM
Really, you recruit a kid to be a cheerleader?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: We R Final Four on June 01, 2019, 07:04:58 PM
Ike is a valuable member of the team . He is practicing and hopefully will be able to contribute this year . Even if he cannot give any meaningful minutes, he has effectively stepped into Cam's role which is an important one.
Wasn’t Cam a walk-on?
That’s a huge difference in roles.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 01, 2019, 07:22:47 PM
Wasn’t Cam a walk-on?
That’s a huge difference in roles.
I am just saying that if he can't play much that becomes his role. Ike is a great guy.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Norm on June 01, 2019, 07:27:39 PM
Ike teamed with Cassius Winston to win UD Jesuit's first State High School Championship. He's a good, athletic defender that when healthy will provide good minutes off the bench this season.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: mileskishnish72 on June 01, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 01, 2019, 07:46:20 PM
Ike teamed with Cassius Winston to win UD Jesuit's first State High School Championship. He's a good, athletic defender that when healthy will provide good minutes off the bench this season.
Winning the Class A championship in Michigan is still a big deal. That is why I am still holding out hope that Ike can be healthy, and give quality minutes.   His upside is huge.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: We R Final Four on June 01, 2019, 08:17:10 PM
I am just saying that if he can't play much that becomes his role. Ike is a great guy.
I don’t think giving full rides to great guys is a successful recipe. If he can’t play, he can’t play and his scholly needs to be better utilized.
If he can contribute, then great.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: RJax55 on June 01, 2019, 08:23:00 PM
Ike teamed with Cassius Winston to win UD Jesuit's first State High School Championship. He's a good, athletic defender that when healthy will provide good minutes off the bench this season.

There's three experienced guys already ahead of him at his spot. Let's be real, even if he is healthy, Ike's time on the floor is going to be extremely limited.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: BCHoopster on June 01, 2019, 08:30:49 PM
Is he a center or forward, has forward build
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: NCMUFan on June 01, 2019, 09:16:27 PM
His value can be more than just game minutes.  Having quality players in practice helps the team get ready for games.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: BCHoopster on June 01, 2019, 09:48:34 PM
His value can be more than just game minutes.  Having quality players in practice helps the team get ready for games.

You recruit somebody to play in games, not just practice!  Practice players can be walk ons.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 01, 2019, 09:54:16 PM
To quote the great philosopher Fonzie:

I like Ike. My bike likes Ike.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 02, 2019, 12:25:40 AM
I don’t think giving full rides to great guys is a successful recipe. If he can’t play, he can’t play and his scholly needs to be better utilized.
If he can contribute, then great.

You recruit somebody to play in games, not just practice!  Practice players can be walk ons.

Ike was recruited to be a big time player for MU. He got seriously hurt. Under those circumstances the scholarship does not get taken away. If he can't play anymore, they medically retire him and the scholarship , while honored, does not count toward the 13. If he can play, but at a lower level than once thought, then that is just the way it goes and he then becomes the 12 or 13th guy on the roster and is there really as a supportive guy for the team. This scenario happens a lot in college sports. Lets keep hoping and praying that Ike recovers
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Knight Commission on June 02, 2019, 08:12:45 AM
Dwayne Streeter.  KO stated he never thought he would play in a game.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: TedBaxter on June 02, 2019, 09:49:55 AM
You recruit somebody to play in games, not just practice!  Practice players can be walk ons.

So what do you want to do?  Send him packing?  Screw that!!!!!  You let Ike come back from his injuries and spend 5-6 years at MU if that's what it takes.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Loose Cannon on June 02, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
So what do you want to do?  Send him packing?  Screw that!!!!!  You let Ike come back from his injuries and spend 5-6 years at MU if that's what it takes.

Yep, that's part of building Chemistry .
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: BCHoopster on June 02, 2019, 10:37:33 AM
So what do you want to do?  Send him packing?  Screw that!!!!!  You let Ike come back from his injuries and spend 5-6 years at MU if that's what it takes.

No, the kid seems to be definitely involved with the team. He will be on some type of scholarship until he graduates, but if he can not play move on.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: TedBaxter on June 02, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
No, the kid seems to be definitely involved with the team. He will be on some type of scholarship until he graduates, but if he can not play move on.

He will be able to help this team with minutes over the next 3-4 years if his back allows and that is a question.  You wait it out until it's determined he can't physically play any longer and not a minute sooner.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2019, 10:29:22 PM
Ike was recruited to be a big time player for MU.

How many #361-ranked players on 247 are considered "big time" recruits?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: wadesworld on June 02, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
How many #361-ranked players on 247 are considered "big time" recruits?

It’s what he does. Then when Ike never plays because his back is messed up it’s somehow Wojo’s fault that our big time recruit never worked out. Overworked Ike in the weight room and demotivated him in the rehab room.

It’s as reliable as when he claimed he was on Quentin Grimes’s official visit with him.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on June 02, 2019, 10:37:39 PM
How many #361-ranked players on 247 are considered "big time" recruits?
i think he meant he was a big time recruit for that class, has a lot of potential still
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: BCHoopster on June 02, 2019, 10:45:27 PM
i think he meant he was a big time recruit for that class, has a lot of potential still

Then again, he may have no potential in his body.  It will be 3 years since he played, he probably will not help next year, if he can it would really help if he can guard the 4
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2019, 10:52:04 PM
i think he meant he was a big time recruit for that class

Pretty dangerous trying to get into 9-9-9's mind.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on June 03, 2019, 12:10:31 AM
To quote the great philosopher Fonzie:

I like Ike. My bike likes Ike.
Like a great commercial back in Jordan's day....'Like Ike, if I can be like Ike"...

No player one pulls for more than Ike once he is able to contribute. . . and he will one day.

Great young man... I know first-hand. Big fan...
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
I think any contribution from Ike greater than zero is a bonus.  I certainly hope he can contribute, but expectations for a guy who was not fully polished when he arrived, who then had to sit out for two full years, the reason being a serious back issue...again anything greater than zero a win for Ike and the program.

My expectations are set at a Mike Kinsella level 58 career points. I hope Ike hits the over.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Loose Cannon on June 03, 2019, 11:18:50 AM
Like a great commercial back in Jordan's day....'Like Ike, if I can be like Ike"...

No player one pulls for more than Ike once he is able to contribute. . . and he will one day.

Great young man... I know first-hand. Big fan...

Do you know if he's friends with Dexter?  Thanks
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Warrior1969 on June 03, 2019, 11:21:05 AM
A healthy season and a few minutes here and there is a success.  Anything more is gravy.  You don't need him this year baring injury.  If he can start to actually contribute next year great!
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 03, 2019, 10:43:47 PM
How many #361-ranked players on 247 are considered "big time" recruits?
At one point OG Anunoby was ranked # 360. He was a first round draft pick and plays for the Tornoto Raptors .

https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/OG-Anunoby-at-Jefferson-City-66669/RecruitRankHistory/
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 03, 2019, 11:34:21 PM
At one point OG Anunoby was ranked # 360. He was a first round draft pick and plays for the Tornoto Raptors .

https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/OG-Anunoby-at-Jefferson-City-66669/RecruitRankHistory/

I didn't ask how many relatively low-rated recruits end up in the NBA. I'm sure it happens every so often.

I asked how often it is that the #361 ranked recruit is characterized as "big time" by its fan base.

I mean, Frank Kaminsky was #224 in his class and he ended up being a fine college player who is making good dough in the NBA. But I don't think many college basketball observers, even in Madison, considered him a "big time recruit" way back when.

I'm not disparaging Ike at all. I just think it's curious that you would characterize the #361 ranked recruit as "big time" when he clearly wasn't.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 03, 2019, 11:36:41 PM
At one point OG Anunoby was ranked # 360. He was a first round draft pick and plays for the Tornoto Raptors .

https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/OG-Anunoby-at-Jefferson-City-66669/RecruitRankHistory/

I'm not sure of the accuracy of that. Annuoby was in the class of 2015. The #360 ranking you quoted is dated 2017. I'm not sure why a 2015 kid would have a ranking from 2017. Not sure what that numbers is.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 04, 2019, 05:10:39 PM
I would love to see Ike contribute, but I am not expecting anything. A serious back injury is a really tough thing to recover from...and Ike had surgery and has still been struggling.

Now prove me wrong, young fella!
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 04, 2019, 06:04:21 PM
Ike was recruited to be a big time player for MU. He got seriously hurt. Under those circumstances the scholarship does not get taken away. If he can't play anymore, they medically retire him and the scholarship , while honored, does not count toward the 13. If he can play, but at a lower level than once thought, then that is just the way it goes and he then becomes the 12 or 13th guy on the roster and is there really as a supportive guy for the team. This scenario happens a lot in college sports. Lets keep hoping and praying that Ike recovers

I didn't ask how many relatively low-rated recruits end up in the NBA. I'm sure it happens every so often.

I asked how often it is that the #361 ranked recruit is characterized as "big time" by its fan base.

I mean, Frank Kaminsky was #224 in his class and he ended up being a fine college player who is making good dough in the NBA. But I don't think many college basketball observers, even in Madison, considered him a "big time recruit" way back when.

I'm not disparaging Ike at all. I just think it's curious that you would characterize the #361 ranked recruit as "big time" when he clearly wasn't.

If you would have taken the time to read ( instead of conflating what I wrote) I said Ike was recruited to be a Big Time Player. I did not label him a Big Time recruit. Ike was recognized as a young player with enormous upside who also was very inexperienced( many people described him as raw) playing the game as he started at a late age.  Ike when healthy is a pogo stick , who can run all day long, rim protect and has a nice jumper out to 17 feet. He is the kind of

 Ike committed to MU relatively early in the summer heading up to his Senior year so he took himself off the market. Prior to that his stock was rising off the big Junior season he had at Detroit Jesuit. Xavier and Pitt both offered. MSU  and ISU were  watching and evaluating closely.    Experienced basketball people  recognized ,and value ,team success in certain high school environments like Detroit , where there are lots of quality players and a great game day environment.

 I have not been a fan of Wojo, but I have consistently recognized his recruiting ability and part of that is his talent evaluation , especially for the rising  stock players.  Ike was one of those.

Ike  was red shirted the same way Justin Patton at Creighton was. The plan was for Ike to practice and get a feel for the flow of the game.

Lets all support Ike.   His return to health would be Huge for MU.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: forgetful on June 04, 2019, 07:34:04 PM
I'm not sure of the accuracy of that. Annuoby was in the class of 2015. The #360 ranking you quoted is dated 2017. I'm not sure why a 2015 kid would have a ranking from 2017. Not sure what that numbers is.

RSCI had Annuoby rated 261. An interesting side point, there is usually a player drafted every year that had an RSCI rating in the 200's.

Zhaire Smith is another interesting one. Ranked in the 200's and a 1 and done.

Now back to Ike. Very solid individual. Has some unique talents. Hope he contributes, but even if he doesn't, he'll be a valuable member of the team.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 04, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
Yeah butt, Ike neva rote know letter, aina?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Dnice on June 04, 2019, 09:46:02 PM
Has anyone seen Ike play?  Do we know anything about his level of play and can he compete in Big East level of play?  If Theo and Morrow are in foul trouble can he step in and at least play quality Defense?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 04, 2019, 10:23:01 PM
Do you know if he's friends with Dexter?  Thanks
Dexter cited Ike as being one of the reasons he committed to MU.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Loose Cannon on June 05, 2019, 12:46:38 AM
Dexter cited Ike as being one of the reasons he committed to MU.

Thanks, Herman.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: wildbill sb on June 05, 2019, 06:04:27 AM
I wish to put a poster on "Ignore.'  Can someone tell me how to do so?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: tower912 on June 05, 2019, 06:27:57 AM
I wish to put a poster on "Ignore.'  Can someone tell me how to do so?  Thanks.

profile/buddies-ignore list/ignore list/name
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 05, 2019, 09:07:45 PM
RSCI had Annuoby rated 261. An interesting side point, there is usually a player drafted every year that had an RSCI rating in the 200's.


So you're sayin' there's a chance!
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 05, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
If you would have taken the time to read ( instead of conflating what I wrote) I said Ike was recruited to be a Big Time Player. I did not label him a Big Time recruit. Ike was recognized as a young player with enormous upside who also was very inexperienced( many people described him as raw) playing the game as he started at a late age.  Ike when healthy is a pogo stick , who can run all day long, rim protect and has a nice jumper out to 17 feet. He is the kind of

 Ike committed to MU relatively early in the summer heading up to his Senior year so he took himself off the market. Prior to that his stock was rising off the big Junior season he had at Detroit Jesuit. Xavier and Pitt both offered. MSU  and ISU were  watching and evaluating closely.    Experienced basketball people  recognized ,and value ,team success in certain high school environments like Detroit , where there are lots of quality players and a great game day environment.

 I have not been a fan of Wojo, but I have consistently recognized his recruiting ability and part of that is his talent evaluation , especially for the rising  stock players.  Ike was one of those.

Ike  was red shirted the same way Justin Patton at Creighton was. The plan was for Ike to practice and get a feel for the flow of the game.

Lets all support Ike.   His return to health would be Huge for MU.

I root for Ike.

Still wasn't recruited to be a "big-time player."
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 05, 2019, 09:58:50 PM
I root for Ike.

Still wasn't recruited to be a "big-time player."
Marquette only gives scholarships to athletes who are projected to be big time players . Some don’t reach the goal but going in that is the standard . That is the standard at every high major school not just Marquette . That is how college athletics works .

Title: Re: Ike
Post by: 94Warrior on June 05, 2019, 10:03:51 PM
Marquette only gives scholarships to athletes who are projected to be big time players . Some don’t reach the goal but going in that is the standard . That is the standard at every high major school not just Marquette . That is how college athletics works .

Why do you post so often?  You type a lot of words to say very little.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 05, 2019, 10:22:41 PM
Marquette only gives scholarships to athletes who are projected to be big time players . Some don’t reach the goal but going in that is the standard . That is the standard at every high major school not just Marquette . That is how college athletics works .

Ah. That clears things up for me.

Jake Thomas, Derrick Wilson, Matt Heldt, etc ... all projected to be "big-time players."

If you get a scholarship to Marquette, that's what they expect from all of 'em. Got it.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MuMark on June 05, 2019, 10:26:05 PM
Marquette only gives scholarships to athletes who are projected to be big time players . Some don’t reach the goal but going in that is the standard . That is the standard at every high major school not just Marquette . That is how college athletics works .

Oh brother......give me a break.

Take a look at the Bigs we have recruited over the years.......just about all of them were projects ......Otule, Dwight Burke, Ooze, Heldt, Mcmorrow, Patrick Hazeland of course Youss!

Hell even Gardner was a low rated overweight reach who turned out much better then anyone could have hoped.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 05, 2019, 11:30:11 PM
Ah. That clears things up for me.

Jake Thomas, Derrick Wilson, Matt Heldt, etc ... all projected to be "big-time players."

If you get a scholarship to Marquette, that's what they expect from all of 'em. Got it.
Again, your fake news journalistic conflating tendencies keep rearing their ugly head. Yes every single one of the players was recruited with an upside projection case.

 Let’s take Derrick , I followed his prep school career as one of my kids competed against him in other sports . Derrick was an Elite level athlete . One of the best football players in the region and possesses explosive speed size and strength . He had multiple high major basketball offers as well as football. He chose Basketball.  Your old enough to remember Quinn Buckner. That was the type of player Derrick was hoped to become. Obviously it didn’t work out.

Matt Heldt was a kid whose stock was rising and it appeared as if he had a decent combination of offensive skills and basketball IQ. It was hoped that Matt was going to become in the style of Big Men that Wisconsin had done well with. Izzo was even sniffing around. Obviously Matt did not hit the upside projection.

Jake Thomas was a transfer from a low level D1 program.  He had several very big games at his former school . The projection was he would become an elite lights out shooter. Obviously it didn’t work out that way.

The common thread in all three cases aside from all missing their upside potential was there was enough base line material that these players were still able to become starters at times and compete in a serviceable fashion.

Ok now let’s look at Andrew Rowsey. He was recruited by no one other than UNC Asheville. He showed promise there and Was recruited to be an elite lights out shooter by MU. In his case it did work out.

Players are recruited with an  upside case ,base case and worse case.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: swoopem on June 06, 2019, 11:02:01 AM
Has anyone seen Ike play?  Do we know anything about his level of play and can he compete in Big East level of play?  If Theo and Morrow are in foul trouble can he step in and at least play quality Defense?

I saw him play his sophomore or junior year of high school when he was on the loaded team with Cassius Winston. They played my Brother Rice Warriors and lost actually. I was not impressed at all. Physical freak who didn’t do anything against 6’3 white kids.

I understand that was 5+ years ago and before I even knew MU was looking at him but at the time I thought he wasn’t any good.

Also, I should say that I think that was only his second year playing basketball so he was very raw
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 06, 2019, 12:02:04 PM
Again, your fake news journalistic conflating tendencies keep rearing their ugly head. Yes every single one of the players was recruited with an upside projection case.

 Let’s take Derrick , I followed his prep school career as one of my kids competed against him in other sports . Derrick was an Elite level athlete . One of the best football players in the region and possesses explosive speed size and strength . He had multiple high major basketball offers as well as football. He chose Basketball.  Your old enough to remember Quinn Buckner. That was the type of player Derrick was hoped to become. Obviously it didn’t work out.

Matt Heldt was a kid whose stock was rising and it appeared as if he had a decent combination of offensive skills and basketball IQ. It was hoped that Matt was going to become in the style of Big Men that Wisconsin had done well with. Izzo was even sniffing around. Obviously Matt did not hit the upside projection.

Jake Thomas was a transfer from a low level D1 program.  He had several very big games at his former school . The projection was he would become an elite lights out shooter. Obviously it didn’t work out that way.

The common thread in all three cases aside from all missing their upside potential was there was enough base line material that these players were still able to become starters at times and compete in a serviceable fashion.

Ok now let’s look at Andrew Rowsey. He was recruited by no one other than UNC Asheville. He showed promise there and Was recruited to be an elite lights out shooter by MU. In his case it did work out.

Players are recruited with an  upside case ,base case and worse case.

Again, I never said Ike or any other recruit wasn't brought with an upside case in mind. I said he was not a "big-time recruit." And he wasn't.

The rest of your post (including your politics-tinged insults) was a mix of gibberish, silliness and childishness.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 06, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Again, your fake news journalistic conflating tendencies keep rearing their ugly head. Yes every single one of the players was recruited with an upside projection case.

 Let’s take Derrick , I followed his prep school career as one of my kids competed against him in other sports . Derrick was an Elite level athlete . One of the best football players in the region and possesses explosive speed size and strength . He had multiple high major basketball offers as well as football. He chose Basketball.  Your old enough to remember Quinn Buckner. That was the type of player Derrick was hoped to become. Obviously it didn’t work out.

Matt Heldt was a kid whose stock was rising and it appeared as if he had a decent combination of offensive skills and basketball IQ. It was hoped that Matt was going to become in the style of Big Men that Wisconsin had done well with. Izzo was even sniffing around. Obviously Matt did not hit the upside projection.

Jake Thomas was a transfer from a low level D1 program.  He had several very big games at his former school . The projection was he would become an elite lights out shooter. Obviously it didn’t work out that way.

The common thread in all three cases aside from all missing their upside potential was there was enough base line material that these players were still able to become starters at times and compete in a serviceable fashion.

Ok now let’s look at Andrew Rowsey. He was recruited by no one other than UNC Asheville. He showed promise there and Was recruited to be an elite lights out shooter by MU. In his case it did work out.

Players are recruited with an  upside case ,base case and worse case.

Jake Thomas only got a scholarship for his final season because of the Vander Blue departure.  He was never projected to be a "elite lights out shooter."  He was projected to bring depth to the bench and possibly hit a couple shots now and then.  He only started because of Buzz's recruiting misses his last couple of years.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Jockey on June 06, 2019, 01:18:43 PM
Marquette only gives scholarships to athletes who are projected to be big time players . Some don’t reach the goal but going in that is the standard . That is the standard at every high major school not just Marquette . That is how college athletics works .

Heldt was never going to be a big time player. He was, is, and ever will be a bench depth guy. Same with Ike. They were brought in to fill out the bench.

Every big time team does this.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Norm on June 06, 2019, 02:22:08 PM
Heldt was never going to be a big time player. He was, is, and ever will be a bench depth guy. Same with Ike. They were brought in to fill out the bench.

Every big time team does this.
Wasn’t Heldt a RSCI top 100 recruit?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Boone on June 06, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
I was never a big Heldt fan, but to imply that he didn’t get the most out of his talent is the dumbest post I’ve ever read. Congrats on lowering your own stupidity bar!
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Markusquette on June 06, 2019, 02:47:57 PM
Marquette is not a program that will attract top-tier players every year. Maybe a few top 10-20 guys every few years, but the reality is MU should recruit the best they can manage or take a gamble on some upside. Surely no player has ever been recruited with expectations of never playing or contributing. It just works out that way. Especially with big men as the best talent generally disperses among the blue bloods.

What separates the programs in the same tier as Marquette is coaching. Which coaching staff will get the most out of the players who flew under the radar? Nova is a great example.

I was never a big Heldt fan, but to imply that he didn’t get the most out of his talent is effing moronic!

I wish Heldt was developed into a pick and pop player or at least give him some looks from three. He could shoot a bit in high school, and also a great FT shooter. I kind of expected they would have developed his outside game more. But what do I know?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: MU82 on June 06, 2019, 03:21:55 PM
Heldt was never going to be a big time player. He was, is, and ever will be a bench depth guy. Same with Ike. They were brought in to fill out the bench.

Every big time team does this.

I was never a big Heldt fan, but to imply that he didn’t get the most out of his talent is the dumbest post I’ve ever read. Congrats on lowering your own stupidity bar!

Stop it, guys! 9-9-9 says Heldt was recruited to be a "big-time player," so it's official.

Awwww, shucky ducky!
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: forgetful on June 06, 2019, 04:08:59 PM
Wasn’t Heldt a RSCI top 100 recruit?

Just outside the RSCI top 100 (120). His high ranking was biased by a 75 ranking on scout. Most other services had him around 140, or unranked.

Some on here and other Marquette boards talked up the 75 ranking as him being a top 100 kid.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Class71 on June 06, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
I was never a big Heldt fan, but to imply that he didn’t get the most out of his talent is the dumbest post I’ve ever read. Congrats on lowering your own stupidity bar!

Little aggressive today?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 06, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
Again, your fake news journalistic conflating tendencies keep rearing their ugly head. Yes every single one of the players was recruited with an upside projection case.

 Let’s take Derrick , I followed his prep school career as one of my kids competed against him in other sports . Derrick was an Elite level athlete . One of the best football players in the region and possesses explosive speed size and strength . He had multiple high major basketball offers as well as football. He chose Basketball.  Your old enough to remember Quinn Buckner. That was the type of player Derrick was hoped to become. Obviously it didn’t work out.

Matt Heldt was a kid whose stock was rising and it appeared as if he had a decent combination of offensive skills and basketball IQ. It was hoped that Matt was going to become in the style of Big Men that Wisconsin had done well with. Izzo was even sniffing around. Obviously Matt did not hit the upside projection.

Jake Thomas was a transfer from a low level D1 program.  He had several very big games at his former school . The projection was he would become an elite lights out shooter. Obviously it didn’t work out that way.

The common thread in all three cases aside from all missing their upside potential was there was enough base line material that these players were still able to become starters at times and compete in a serviceable fashion.

Ok now let’s look at Andrew Rowsey. He was recruited by no one other than UNC Asheville. He showed promise there and Was recruited to be an elite lights out shooter by MU. In his case it did work out.

Players are recruited with an  upside case ,base case and worse case.
So your son went to one of the Eight Schools Association in New England? Small world, I was a track athlete at one of them and traveled to all at least once a year for 3 years and know them very well, which one did he attend? I'm really curious...
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Boone on June 07, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
Apologies to Herman. While I still contend that Heldt got the most of his ability, my tone was uncalled for and anti-social.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on June 08, 2019, 08:54:03 AM
Again, your fake news journalistic conflating tendencies keep rearing their ugly head. Yes every single one of the players was recruited with an upside projection case.

 Let’s take Derrick , I followed his prep school career as one of my kids competed against him in other sports . Derrick was an Elite level athlete . One of the best football players in the region and possesses explosive speed size and strength . He had multiple high major basketball offers as well as football. He chose Basketball.  Your old enough to remember Quinn Buckner. That was the type of player Derrick was hoped to become. Obviously it didn’t work out.

Matt Heldt was a kid whose stock was rising and it appeared as if he had a decent combination of offensive skills and basketball IQ. It was hoped that Matt was going to become in the style of Big Men that Wisconsin had done well with. Izzo was even sniffing around. Obviously Matt did not hit the upside projection.

Jake Thomas was a transfer from a low level D1 program.  He had several very big games at his former school . The projection was he would become an elite lights out shooter. Obviously it didn’t work out that way.

The common thread in all three cases aside from all missing their upside potential was there was enough base line material that these players were still able to become starters at times and compete in a serviceable fashion.

Ok now let’s look at Andrew Rowsey. He was recruited by no one other than UNC Asheville. He showed promise there and Was recruited to be an elite lights out shooter by MU. In his case it did work out.

Players are recruited with an  upside case ,base case and worse case.

So the projection was that Jake Thomas would become an elite lights out shooter but all they offered him was a walk-on spot, which he accepted?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 08, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
Again, your fake news journalistic conflating tendencies keep rearing their ugly head. Yes every single one of the players was recruited with an upside projection case.

 Let’s take Derrick , I followed his prep school career as one of my kids competed against him in other sports . Derrick was an Elite level athlete . One of the best football players in the region and possesses explosive speed size and strength . He had multiple high major basketball offers as well as football. He chose Basketball.  Your old enough to remember Quinn Buckner. That was the type of player Derrick was hoped to become. Obviously it didn’t work out.

Matt Heldt was a kid whose stock was rising and it appeared as if he had a decent combination of offensive skills and basketball IQ. It was hoped that Matt was going to become in the style of Big Men that Wisconsin had done well with. Izzo was even sniffing around. Obviously Matt did not hit the upside projection.

Jake Thomas was a transfer from a low level D1 program.  He had several very big games at his former school . The projection was he would become an elite lights out shooter. Obviously it didn’t work out that way.

The common thread in all three cases aside from all missing their upside potential was there was enough base line material that these players were still able to become starters at times and compete in a serviceable fashion.

Ok now let’s look at Andrew Rowsey. He was recruited by no one other than UNC Asheville. He showed promise there and Was recruited to be an elite lights out shooter by MU. In his case it did work out.

Players are recruited with an  upside case ,base case and worse case.
No answer yet. Fake account, which of the Eight Schools Association your son attend? Bring it you BS poster....
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Jockey on June 08, 2019, 07:17:54 PM
Herman’s probably busy traveling with recruits and hasn’t had time to answer.

I think generally I trust Scoopers when they talk about themselves or what they have done. He is probably the biggest exception to that.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 08, 2019, 07:29:33 PM
No answer yet. Fake account, which of the Eight Schools Association your son attend? Bring it you BS poster....
First of all any intelligent person doesn't disclose specific personal details on a public website. Second, the football schedule of schools in the Eight Schools Association is not exclusive to those schools. If you were sincerely interested you could have easily PM'd me,  which people on this site do have done when they have questions.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 08, 2019, 07:37:53 PM
First of all any intelligent person doesn't disclose specific personal details on a public website. Second, the football schedule of schools in the Eight Schools Association is not exclusive to those schools. If you were sincerely interested you could have easily PM'd me,  which people on this site do have done when they have questions.
Lol what a fake and no knowledge NMH '79 alumnus and track and field Hall of Fame member. '78-'79 undefeated season New England Champs. What a fake put up or STFU. You are a total BS fake lol. Everyone this guy is lying.. Looser
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 08, 2019, 08:24:36 PM
Lol what a fake and no knowledge NMH '79 alumnus and track and field Hall of Fame member. '78-'79 undefeated season New England Champs. What a fake put up or STFU. You are a total BS fake lol. Everyone this guy is lying.. Looser
Sorry but the only person exhibiting a lack of knowledge is you.

You didn't bother to take the time to read the post I made. Since you are obviously someone who needs things put in Black and White, Hotchkiss plays a football schedule that includes teams not in the Eight Association Schools.

Congratulations on your track and field success though.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: wadesworld on June 08, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
Sorry but the only person exhibiting a lack of knowledge is you.

You didn't bother to take the time to read the post I made. Since you are obviously someone who needs things put in Black and White, Hotchkiss plays a football schedule that includes teams not in the Eight Association Schools.

Congratulations on your track and field success though.

Are you accompanying Grimes on his visits to the Texas schools? Or was that just his MU visit the first time he was going through the recruiting process?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 08, 2019, 09:26:58 PM
Sorry but the only person exhibiting a lack of knowledge is you.

You didn't bother to take the time to read the post I made. Since you are obviously someone who needs things put in Black and White, Hotchkiss plays a football schedule that includes teams not in the Eight Association Schools.

Congratulations on your track and field success though.
Guess what you are lying, out of conference they only play division II college teams. You're so full of $$$hyt is not even funny. This guy is exposed....
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 08, 2019, 09:33:34 PM
Guess what you are lying, out of conference they only play division II college teams. You're so full of $$$hyt is not even funny. This guy is exposed....
I think you have been drinking too much.

Title: Re: Ike
Post by: real chili 83 on June 08, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
The Underboard is on to you.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 08, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
I think you have been drinking too much.
Weak liar. You're a complete BS account. MODS
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 08, 2019, 09:49:19 PM
Guess what you are lying, out of conference they only play division II college teams. You're so full of $$$hyt is not even funny. This guy is exposed....
I think the person who is lying and has an ax to grind is you.

Here is Hotchkiss football schedule. Please identify the Division II college teams on the schedule .

https://www.hotchkiss.org/athletics/our-teams/football/varsity
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Herman Cain on June 08, 2019, 09:55:58 PM
Are you accompanying Grimes on his visits to the Texas schools? Or was that just his MU visit the first time he was going through the recruiting process?
As usual , statements are distorted and misrepresented by you.

I happened to be at the Al and other campus locations and observed Grimes recruitment. I reported what I saw. Never said I was accompanying him on the visit.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 09, 2019, 08:19:47 AM
I think the person who is lying and has an ax to grind is you.

Here is Hotchkiss football schedule. Please identify the Division II college teams on the schedule .

https://www.hotchkiss.org/athletics/our-teams/football/varsity
Just wanted you to go get the schedule
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 09, 2019, 08:20:49 AM
As usual , statements are distorted and misrepresented by you.

I happened to be at the Al and other campus locations and observed Grimes recruitment. I reported what I saw. Never said I was accompanying him on the visit.
Funny
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: jesmu84 on June 09, 2019, 11:45:18 AM
First of all any intelligent person doesn't disclose specific personal details on a public website. Second, the football schedule of schools in the Eight Schools Association is not exclusive to those schools. If you were sincerely interested you could have easily PM'd me,  which people on this site do have done when they have questions.

Ironic since you did disclose that one of your favorite past times is getting young girls intentionally drunk so as to get them to have sex with you
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 09, 2019, 01:50:51 PM
Ironic since you did disclose that one of your favorite past times is getting young girls intentionally drunk so as to get them to have sex with you
Isn't he precious?
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Anti-Dentite on June 10, 2019, 05:29:58 AM
Lol what a fake and no knowledge NMH '79 alumnus and track and field Hall of Fame member. '78-'79 undefeated season New England Champs. What a fake put up or STFU. You are a total BS fake lol. Everyone this guy is lying.. Looser
Found it odd you got so worked up about this until I see you found a way to work your stellar high school track memories from 40 years ago into the mix...and it’s loser not looser damn it!
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Newsdreams on June 10, 2019, 09:34:14 AM
Found it odd you got so worked up about this until I see you found a way to work your stellar high school track memories from 40 years ago into the mix...and it’s loser not looser damn it!
He is just loose plus I managed to pull a Ners
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Anti-Dentite on June 10, 2019, 11:40:45 AM
He is just loose plus I managed to pull a Ners
Touche’  :)
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: TheyWereCones on July 12, 2019, 02:20:59 AM
So the good news is that Ike is dunking in videos.  The bad news is that I have yet to see a clip of him in practice actually competing against his teammates like in all the recent scrimmage videos posted.  Makes it appear he's not ready for that and perhaps they are still being extra cautious.  I would love to see him at some point get some real reps even if just in practice.  Feel bad for the guy and all the back issues he's had to deal with.  Seems like a great guy.  If he was in any videos actually competing, let me know as I obviously could have missed it.

P.S. - Dexter looks huge already.  Like the Theo John of our guards now.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Its DJOver on July 12, 2019, 08:38:06 AM
So the good news is that Ike is dunking in videos.  The bad news is that I have yet to see a clip of him in practice actually competing against his teammates like in all the recent scrimmage videos posted.  Makes it appear he's not ready for that and perhaps they are still being extra cautious.  I would love to see him at some point get some real reps even if just in practice.  Feel bad for the guy and all the back issues he's had to deal with.  Seems like a great guy.  If he was in any videos actually competing, let me know as I obviously could have missed it.

P.S. - Dexter looks huge already.  Like the Theo John of our guards now.

Was thinking the same thing about Dex.  Also, while his legs are still kinda twiggy, it looks to me like Brendan has put on some good weight to his upper body.
Title: Re: Ike
Post by: Jay Bee on July 12, 2019, 10:15:30 AM
Ike in EYBL play:
* Very good rebounder (off & def)
* strong Stl% & Blk%
* low-to-medium low usage guy (Cain fairly high -24ish; Greg medium -20ish
* offense - almost all 2FG%, 51%; tons of turnovers; 85 ORtg (yuck)

Has the profile of a guy you need to get boards & defense from, anything else is gravy.