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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 94Warrior on May 25, 2019, 11:11:50 PM

Title: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 94Warrior on May 25, 2019, 11:11:50 PM
The drama can now stop...

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/badgers-come-up-empty-as-sam-and-joey-hauser-split/article_50b2e910-0849-58b3-a594-6190b3ab57b8.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: cheese ball chaser on May 25, 2019, 11:15:12 PM
Woah.. I did NOT see that coming. Best of luck to them both.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: brewcity77 on May 25, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
Bear in mind these are sources within Wisconsin. Until I see an announcement that originates with the Hausers, I wouldn't consider it official.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 25, 2019, 11:36:17 PM
This post at Buckyville by ACinMSP is one of the best ever and will be forever saved.

OMG...and some of them believe it.  LOL.


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/buckyville/sam-joey-hauser-transferring-from-marquette-t98828-s3700.html
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 94Warrior on May 25, 2019, 11:39:08 PM
Bear in mind these are sources within Wisconsin. Until I see an announcement that originates with the Hausers, I wouldn't consider it official.

Fair enough.  However, this makes far more sense than either or both going to UW.
It shows both Hausers have enough sense to play for a HOF, National Champion coach, and they care about winning.

Hitching your wagon to Greg Gard and Floppy McNutpuncher never made any sense to me, when there were far better options on the table.

Best of luck to Sam at UVA.  As for Joey, I hope he beats UW a couple time each year, other than that I don't really care.  His bad attitude went a long ways toward MU's collapse down the stretch and cost us a Big East title.  For that I won't look back on his time here as fondly as Sam's.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 25, 2019, 11:46:25 PM
Bear in mind these are sources within Wisconsin. Until I see an announcement that originates with the Hausers, I wouldn't consider it official.

I mean... its published news from a reputable source.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: CountryRoads on May 25, 2019, 11:47:31 PM
This post at Buckyville by ACinMSP is one of the best ever and will be forever saved.

OMG...and some of them believe it.  LOL.


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/buckyville/sam-joey-hauser-transferring-from-marquette-t98828-s3700.html


To save you a click, a poster is suggesting that wealthy MU donors paid the hauser family to choose “anybody but Wisconsin.” These wealthy donors felt it better to use their money for this cause (vs spending the money on MU) because the ramifications of the hausers going to Bucky would have basically destroyed our programs reputation for years to come.

Also, I saw on there or 247 that the hold up on “admissions” allowed the hausers time to reconsider their verbal commitment.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 25, 2019, 11:52:44 PM
The Dentists Did It.

 :o
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 26, 2019, 12:20:49 AM

To save you a click, a poster is suggesting that wealthy MU donors paid the hauser family to choose “anybody but Wisconsin.” These wealthy donors felt it better to use their money for this cause (vs spending the money on MU) because the ramifications of the hausers going to Bucky would have basically destroyed our programs reputation for years to come.


That's some Hall of Fame level rationalization right there.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 1SE on May 26, 2019, 01:31:15 AM
Have to be honest, this softens the blow. A step up for both of them. Still puzzling about why Sam left if they were going to split up anyway, I think it gives more credence to the narrative that he was as important in the decision as Joey and that’s more damning for Wojo. For him to forgo pro ball by a year and walk away from what could have been a truly special season which would have cemented his place in the pantheon of MU all-timers means he must really have lost all faith in Wojo and his system. I can’t think of any critique that would carry more weight than that.

But best of luck to him. I hope Wojo can rise to the challenge.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 26, 2019, 02:43:39 AM
Have to be honest, this softens the blow. A step up for both of them. Still puzzling about why Sam left if they were going to split up anyway, I think it gives more credence to the narrative that he was as important in the decision as Joey and that’s more damning for Wojo. For him to forgo pro ball by a year and walk away from what could have been a truly special season which would have cemented his place in the pantheon of MU all-timers means he must really have lost all faith in Wojo and his system. I can’t think of any critique that would carry more weight than that.

But best of luck to him. I hope Wojo can rise to the challenge.

They both left because they were both unhappy. The idea that Sam was fine and would return was always fanciful nonsense.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 26, 2019, 03:05:10 AM
They both left because they were both unhappy. The idea that Sam was fine and would return was always fanciful nonsense.

I think this is most likely. I think it seems to make sense when you consider that the first report was that Sam was unhappy then a week later it was Joey who dragged Sam along. Maybe it was both.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Fullodds on May 26, 2019, 03:34:37 AM
So we have boosters to pay players to not go to WI?  Wowser. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 26, 2019, 05:58:38 AM
Have to be honest, this softens the blow. A step up for both of them. Still puzzling about why Sam left if they were going to split up anyway, I think it gives more credence to the narrative that he was as important in the decision as Joey and that’s more damning for Wojo. For him to forgo pro ball by a year and walk away from what could have been a truly special season which would have cemented his place in the pantheon of MU all-timers means he must really have lost all faith in Wojo and his system. I can’t think of any critique that would carry more weight than that.

But best of luck to him. I hope Wojo can rise to the challenge.
B.S. you mean a step down for both of them leaving Marquette for public schools.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: lawdog77 on May 26, 2019, 06:07:01 AM
So we have boosters to pay players to not go to WI?  Wowser.
I am thinking about playing for UW. Can someone spread the word to these high rollers?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 06:17:30 AM
So we have boosters to pay players to not go to WI?  Wowser.

There have been some fanciful stories, some terrible commentary and a lot of misinformation since they announced they were transferring but thinking Marquette boosters paid the family not to go to Wisconsin-Madison is next level insane
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 06:45:28 AM
Fair enough.  However, this makes far more sense than either or both going to UW.
It shows both Hausers have enough sense to play for a HOF, National Champion coach, and they care about winning.

Hitching your wagon to Greg Gard and Floppy McNutpuncher never made any sense to me, when there were far better options on the table.

Best of luck to Sam at UVA.  As for Joey, I hope he beats UW a couple time each year, other than that I don't really care.  His bad attitude went a long ways toward MU's collapse down the stretch and cost us a Big East title.  For that I won't look back on his time here as fondly as Sam's.
Guess they both landed well
Both on elite squads competing for national championships. Meanwhile, MU continues to wallow in limited  if any dance appearances, getting beat by a mid major in the dance. The Hausers saw the action up close and personal, and chose to move on. Meanwhile, many scoopers with their blinders on continue to offer excuses, and criticize them as treasonous turncoats. Sad saga in MU history. Now the page can be turned to the next exciting season under the wonderful wojo. Hopefully he can bring in some guys to replace the loss, although that is one big wish. Now let the soothsayers begin their bashing and excuse making
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: mileskishnish72 on May 26, 2019, 06:46:16 AM
This post at Buckyville by ACinMSP is one of the best ever and will be forever saved.




https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/buckyville/sam-joey-hauser-transferring-from-marquette-t98828-s3700.html
Scoop has definitely not cornered the market on aholes!
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: mileskishnish72 on May 26, 2019, 06:47:41 AM


  As for Joey, I hope he beats UW a couple time each year, other than that I don't really care.  His bad attitude went a long ways toward MU's collapse down the stretch and cost us a Big East title.  For that I won't look back on his time here as fondly as Sam's.
+1
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: connie on May 26, 2019, 06:57:05 AM
There have been some fanciful stories, some terrible commentary and a lot of misinformation since they announced they were transferring but thinking Marquette boosters paid the family not to go to Wisconsin-Madison is next level insane
but the perfect continuation  of the saga
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 06:59:27 AM
Guess they both landed well
Both on elite squads competing for national championships. Meanwhile, MU continues to wallow in limited  if any dance appearances, getting beat by a mid major in the dance. The Hausers saw the action up close and personal, and chose to move on. Meanwhile, many scoopers with their blinders on continue to offer excuses, and criticize them as treasonous turncoats. Sad saga in MU history. Now the page can be turned to the next exciting season under the wonderful wojo. Hopefully he can bring in some guys to replace the loss, although that is one big wish. Now let the soothsayers begin their bashing and excuse making

What would you like scoopers to do?  Have a grape soda
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: avid1010 on May 26, 2019, 07:13:22 AM
B.S. you mean a step down for both of them leaving Marquette for public schools.
Yes...MSU and UVA are pathetic public institutions...that have contributed little to society. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 07:31:30 AM
Yes...MSU and UVA are pathetic public institutions...that have contributed little to society.

Well, MSU hasn’t
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUEng92 on May 26, 2019, 07:44:32 AM
The rich MSP Marquette alum is obviously Jay Bee.  WTH was he thinking?  This shines a terrible light on Marquette as a whole, but more specifically makes Marquette a laughingstock in college basketball fandom.

Seriously, socializing with a Badger fan?  What were you thinking?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 26, 2019, 07:49:35 AM
Can't understand Sam changing schools. It doesn't make sense. He is giving up so much. Will have to sit out a year. Play for a far away school for one year. Was Sam that unhappy to make such a dumb and or desperate move?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: connie on May 26, 2019, 07:52:58 AM
Can't understand Sam changing schools. It doesn't make sense. He is giving up so much. Will have to sit out a year. Play for a far away school for one year. Was Sam that unhappy to make such a dumb and or desperate move?
I get (and share) your confusion, but the obvious answer is "yes."
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 26, 2019, 08:00:49 AM
The Dentists Did It.

 :o


Taught ewe were sworn ta secrecy. Meat summit invite now in jeopardy, hey?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Earl Tatum on May 26, 2019, 08:05:43 AM
Who Cares. The only good thing is they didn't go to "Bucky". Still can't
believe Sam left. As mentioned --One Year Left. Dumb
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUMonster03 on May 26, 2019, 08:10:56 AM
Guess they both landed well
Both on elite squads competing for national championships. Meanwhile, MU continues to wallow in limited  if any dance appearances, getting beat by a mid major in the dance.

This argument has baffled me for months. Teams get upset by mid majors or lower every year in the tournament. Heck in 2018 UMBC beat #1 Virginia by 20 and Buffalo beat Arizona by 21. Not to mention Loyola-Chicago making it to the final four and none of those teams had a top 3 NBA draft pick on their roster. This is why it is called March Madness. Otherwise it would be called March Chalk and we could just put the four number ones in the final four and skip the rest.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: SaveOD238 on May 26, 2019, 08:24:37 AM
Can't understand Sam changing schools. It doesn't make sense. He is giving up so much. Will have to sit out a year. Play for a far away school for one year. Was Sam that unhappy to make such a dumb and or desperate move?

Yes.  In fact, I think Sam might have been the impetus for the change.  Joey never wanted to be here in the first place.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2019, 08:27:23 AM
Escaping the stench of a UW transfer is a huge win.  Everything thing else is a incredible loss.  What an absolute disaster for Wojo + MU. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 26, 2019, 08:34:51 AM
This argument has baffled me for months. Teams get upset by mid majors or lower every year in the tournament. Heck in 2018 UMBC beat #1 Virginia by 20 and Buffalo beat Arizona by 21. Not to mention Loyola-Chicago making it to the final four and none of those teams had a top 3 NBA draft pick on their roster. This is why it is called March Madness. Otherwise it would be called March Chalk and we could just put the four number ones in the final four and skip the rest.

Those teams are successful though. It was shocking when they lost. 80% of ncaa basketball had mu losing to Murray state
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 08:38:15 AM
Those teams are successful though. It was shocking when they lost. 80% of ncaa basketball had mu losing to Murray state

It wasn’t shocking when Buffalo beat Arizona, FWIW.  It was shocking when Loyola made the Final 4.  Between losing to Murray State this year or losing to South Carolina in 2017, the loss to South Carolina irks me more
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2019, 08:43:30 AM
This argument has baffled me for months. Teams get upset by mid majors or lower every year in the tournament. Heck in 2018 UMBC beat #1 Virginia by 20 and Buffalo beat Arizona by 21. Not to mention Loyola-Chicago making it to the final four and none of those teams had a top 3 NBA draft pick on their roster. This is why it is called March Madness. Otherwise it would be called March Chalk and we could just put the four number ones in the final four and skip the rest.

Oh yeah it’s a crapshoot. 

Or maybe we haven’t won a NCAA game since 2013.  Some crapshoot. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
80% of ncaa basketball had mu losing to Murray state

Untrue. We were solid favorites in the game. #FakeNews

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Nukem2 on May 26, 2019, 09:07:40 AM
Untrue. We were solid favorites in the game. #FakeNews
Yes, the line was obviously in MU's favor, but most of the "experts" and talking heads were picking Murray over MU as an upset special.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 26, 2019, 09:15:12 AM
Untrue. We were solid favorites in the game. #FakeNews

Vegas don't lie.

https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/6325635-marquette-vs-murray-state-college-basketball-betting-lines-spread-and-odds-for-ncaa-tournament

Nor did experts.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 09:18:59 AM
What would you like scoopers to do?  Have a grape soda
How about demanding that Wojo be held accountable for his classic f ups, instead of criticizing kids around him and offering up their lame excuses for Wojo failures. How about taking the blinders off. How about quit chugging the Kool aid, and demanding performance instead of wasted years. Something even you should try. But it always more convenient to accept the same old same old. All the evidence is there for people, just do not want to admit that the guy is still over his head after 15 years at Duke, and 5 here.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
I get (and share) your confusion, but the obvious answer is "yes."
And that should speak volumes, when our best all around player bails out for greener pastures, because of unhappiness with the system.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 09:25:27 AM
How about demanding that Wojo be held accountable for his classic f ups, instead of criticizing kids around him and offering up their lame excuses for Wojo failures. How about taking the blinders off. How about quit chugging the Kool aid, and demanding performance instead of wasted years. Something even you should try. But it always more convenient to accept the same old same old. All the evidence is there for people, just do not want to admit that the guy is still over his head after 15 years at Duke, and 5 here.

Makes sense.  If scoop does that and we get Wojo fired, we should be able to hire the next coach then, too.  I hate kool-aid
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on May 26, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
This is wonderful for the world.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: PointWarrior on May 26, 2019, 09:39:55 AM
Did you all not see the "Keep Recruits from Wisconsin (F*&k Bucky) Fund" as a choice to direct funds on the last MU donation solicitation?



To save you a click, a poster is suggesting that wealthy MU donors paid the hauser family to choose “anybody but Wisconsin.” These wealthy donors felt it better to use their money for this cause (vs spending the money on MU) because the ramifications of the hausers going to Bucky would have basically destroyed our programs reputation for years to come.

Also, I saw on there or 247 that the hold up on “admissions” allowed the hausers time to reconsider their verbal commitment.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUCam on May 26, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
Can't understand Sam changing schools. It doesn't make sense. He is giving up so much. Will have to sit out a year. Play for a far away school for one year. Was Sam that unhappy to make such a dumb and or desperate move?

Ummm, he is now playing for a National Championship coach and the reigning National Championship team. Maybe he just likes his chances at glory better there?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on May 26, 2019, 09:46:41 AM
Ummm, he is now playing for a National Championship coach and the reigning National Championship team. Maybe he just likes his chances at glory better there?

Don’t be rational. This is Steph’s choice.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 26, 2019, 09:47:53 AM
Have to be honest, this softens the blow. A step up for both of them. Still puzzling about why Sam left if they were going to split up anyway, I think it gives more credence to the narrative that he was as important in the decision as Joey and that’s more damning for Wojo. For him to forgo pro ball by a year and walk away from what could have been a truly special season which would have cemented his place in the pantheon of MU all-timers means he must really have lost all faith in Wojo and his system. I can’t think of any critique that would carry more weight than that.

But best of luck to him. I hope Wojo can rise to the challenge.

Has it been confirmed that if Markus Left, Sam was willing, to spend one more unhappy year with Wojo.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: war1980rior on May 26, 2019, 09:56:06 AM
I'm pretty detached from what Sam's major is, but it makes sense for him to transfer to UVA for a graduate degree, if nothing else.  It's an outstanding graduate program, for most degrees.  Superb Liberal Arts, Engineering, and Business.  I think he's a little slow footed to be in the NBA (might get a run, but …).  He might get some additional (or different) training he wouldn't have gotten at Marquette that will improve his chances.  A year just training with a championship team can't hurt a bit.  I think it's a great move for him, and a high end Masters will go a long way and open some serious doors outside of basketball.

Joey I really won't miss.  I just sensed a bad attitude, which can be poison to a team.  Sam was my favorite, and happy to see him take UVA as the best option (it was).  Best of luck to them both, and we'll be fine without them this year.

Beat Wisconsin!
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2019, 10:09:40 AM
Vegas don't lie.

https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/6325635-marquette-vs-murray-state-college-basketball-betting-lines-spread-and-odds-for-ncaa-tournament

Nor did experts.

So you claim that “80% of the country” picked Murray State and then claim “Vegas don’t lie” as “proof”...when Vegas has MU as 3 point favorites?

Odd.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 26, 2019, 10:11:07 AM
Ummm, he is now playing for a National Championship coach and the reigning National Championship team. Maybe he just likes his chances at glory better there?
Good luck to him. He’s going to need it.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2019, 10:16:55 AM
Ummm, he is now playing for a National Championship coach and the reigning National Championship team. Maybe he just likes his chances at glory better there?

Also, Bennett was a second round pick and had a short NBA career. I could see that being appealing to Sam as well.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on May 26, 2019, 10:21:16 AM
How about demanding that Wojo be held accountable for his classic f ups, instead of criticizing kids around him and offering up their lame excuses for Wojo failures. How about taking the blinders off. How about quit chugging the Kool aid, and demanding performance instead of wasted years. Something even you should try. But it always more convenient to accept the same old same old. All the evidence is there for people, just do not want to admit that the guy is still over his head after 15 years at Duke, and 5 here.
How about recognizing that the Hausers tanked the team and then jumped ship.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 26, 2019, 11:03:09 AM
How about recognizing that the Hausers tanked the team and then jumped ship.

Hard to win basketball games at any level when u have two starters with either one foor in and one foot out or maybe even both feet out by that time.  More than coincidental that the team fell off the cliff along with the performance of both Hausers. 
With the athleticism and talent that MSU brings in year after year i could see Joey struggling for playing time at MSU and possibly never becoming a go to type player there.  I could be wrong hopefully the change of scenery brings a change of attitude, but the whining n softness he showed at MU will not go well with the culture at MSU
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 26, 2019, 11:27:15 AM
Has any of this been confirmed?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 26, 2019, 11:29:30 AM
Has any of this been confirmed?

No, not by the people that matter anyway...Sam and Joey
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 26, 2019, 11:41:15 AM
1. I laughed out loud when I saw this because of what it says about the UW program (more on this later).

2. I was a victim of bad information. The exact same person who gave me that bad information -- #donedeal level misinformation -- subsequently told me that his source had been wrong and that Sam to Va, Joey to MSU was actually what was going to happen. The latter proved true.

3. It's on me that I not only spread the misinformation but that I took it to the next level, suggesting that the Hausers were "playing" or "punking" Bennett and Izzo. That turns out to have been unfair of me to say, and I regret having said it.

4. I do think it speaks to Sam's level of desperation to get away from Marquette that he would give away a year of his basketball career to play at Virginia. And I do think it speaks poorly of Wojo, or at least his relationship with Wojo. And yet, if there is truth to the MANY reports that the Hausers would have stayed had Markus gone, the Hausers-distrust-Wojo angle still has holes.

5. Sam played hard, he played well, he was a leader. Some of my fondest memories from the last few years were authored by Sam, especially his shot against Creighton and him pulling down the final rebound against Nova. He will be missed.

6. Joey might turn out to be a very good player. Indeed, if I were predicting, I would say he will. Izzo wanted him very much, and that alone is a major endorsement for his potential -- potential that we all got a feel for last season, especially during the first half of the season. Having said that, I am not emotionally invested in Joey at all, and while I wish him well I won't really "miss" him. The reports that he was the cause of all of this ... as I have said many times, I feel there's plenty of blame to go around.

7. As disappointing as this whole episode has been for Marquette, if I am to be as objective as I possibly can be, this is absolutely devastating for Wisconsin for all the reasons mentioned in Polzin's article. Gard has now missed out on the Hausers twice, and given the circumstances of this latest miss, it is almost incredible that it happened. An incredible indictment of the UW program.

8. Happy Memorial Day, everybody.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 26, 2019, 11:45:04 AM
No, not by the people that matter anyway...Sam and Joey

Great, I will return to my pipe dream wish that Sam will return until all hope is lost.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 26, 2019, 12:24:27 PM
1. I laughed out loud when I saw this because of what it says about the UW program (more on this later).

2. I was a victim of bad information. The exact same person who gave me that bad information -- #donedeal level misinformation -- subsequently told me that his source had been wrong and that Sam to Va, Joey to MSU was actually what was going to happen. The latter proved true.

3. It's on me that I not only spread the misinformation but that I took it to the next level, suggesting that the Hausers were "playing" or "punking" Bennett and Izzo. That turns out to have been unfair of me to say, and I regret having said it.

4. I do think it speaks to Sam's level of desperation to get away from Marquette that he would give away a year of his basketball career to play at Virginia. And I do think it speaks poorly of Wojo, or at least his relationship with Wojo. And yet, if there is truth to the MANY reports that the Hausers would have stayed had Markus gone, the Hausers-distrust-Wojo angle still has holes.

5. Sam played hard, he played well, he was a leader. Some of my fondest memories from the last few years were authored by Sam, especially his shot against Creighton and him pulling down the final rebound against Nova. He will be missed.

6. Joey might turn out to be a very good player. Indeed, if I were predicting, I would say he will. Izzo wanted him very much, and that alone is a major endorsement for his potential -- potential that we all got a feel for last season, especially during the first half of the season. Having said that, I am not emotionally invested in Joey at all, and while I wish him well I won't really "miss" him. The reports that he was the cause of all of this ... as I have said many times, I feel there's plenty of blame to go around.

7. As disappointing as this whole episode has been for Marquette, if I am to be as objective as I possibly can be, this is absolutely devastating for Wisconsin for all the reasons mentioned in Polzin's article. Gard has now missed out on the Hausers twice, and given the circumstances of this latest miss, it is almost incredible that it happened. An incredible indictment of the UW program.

8. Happy Memorial Day, everybody.

82 u suffer from logerrhea and anyone that has spent more than 5 minutes on this board knows it.  Ur incoherrent rambling and consistent misrepresentations are par for your course. No need to apologize we expect it, ur are a true journalist in a profession that is at its lowest ebb. Carry on, we know that u will, our expectations will remain very low.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 26, 2019, 12:33:10 PM
Great, I will return to my pipe dream wish that Sam will return until all hope is lost.
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Name a playa hoo announced his intention ta transfer, and den changed his mind and came back to da skool he announced his intent ta transfer from, hey?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
Juan Anderson and I think Jake Thomas announced their intent to transfer and stayed
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jay Bee on May 26, 2019, 12:36:43 PM
Name a playa hoo announced his intention ta transfer, and den changed his mind and came back to da skool he announced his intent ta transfer from, hey?

It happens. See Minnesota last season - Matz Stockman. Announced his transfer and even a new destination (Cal). Then, wound up staying at Minnesota.

Has certainly happened at MU in the past as well.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 26, 2019, 12:36:57 PM
Well grate, eye stand erected. If Woj had any balls, heed tell an announced transfer ta go fook themselves major and lose my phone number, aina?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 26, 2019, 12:39:48 PM
Name 2 den, hey?

Just this year, 2 or 3 Alabama players entered their name into the transfer Portal, and after Oates was hired, they returned. Wabissa Bede from Va Tech also decided to return to Va Tech after having his name in the transfer portal...It's not that uncommon.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 26, 2019, 12:45:47 PM
So we have boosters to pay players to not go to WI?  Wowser.

Is there any other possible explanation for the drop in Wisconsin's in-state recruiting?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
1. I laughed out loud when I saw this because of what it says about the UW program (more on this later).

2. I was a victim of bad information. The exact same person who gave me that bad information -- #donedeal level misinformation -- subsequently told me that his source had been wrong and that Sam to Va, Joey to MSU was actually what was going to happen. The latter proved true.

3. It's on me that I not only spread the misinformation but that I took it to the next level, suggesting that the Hausers were "playing" or "punking" Bennett and Izzo. That turns out to have been unfair of me to say, and I regret having said it.

4. I do think it speaks to Sam's level of desperation to get away from Marquette that he would give away a year of his basketball career to play at Virginia. And I do think it speaks poorly of Wojo, or at least his relationship with Wojo. And yet, if there is truth to the MANY reports that the Hausers would have stayed had Markus gone, the Hausers-distrust-Wojo angle still has holes.

5. Sam played hard, he played well, he was a leader. Some of my fondest memories from the last few years were authored by Sam, especially his shot against Creighton and him pulling down the final rebound against Nova. He will be missed.

6. Joey might turn out to be a very good player. Indeed, if I were predicting, I would say he will. Izzo wanted him very much, and that alone is a major endorsement for his potential -- potential that we all got a feel for last season, especially during the first half of the season. Having said that, I am not emotionally invested in Joey at all, and while I wish him well I won't really "miss" him. The reports that he was the cause of all of this ... as I have said many times, I feel there's plenty of blame to go around.

7. As disappointing as this whole episode has been for Marquette, if I am to be as objective as I possibly can be, this is absolutely devastating for Wisconsin for all the reasons mentioned in Polzin's article. Gard has now missed out on the Hausers twice, and given the circumstances of this latest miss, it is almost incredible that it happened. An incredible indictment of the UW program.

8. Happy Memorial Day, everybody.

1. Agreed

2. I had the same information.

3. Even if that information had turned out to be accurate, I thought your suggestion that the Hausers were "punking" or using Izzo and Bennett was way out of line. In any recruitment there are favorites or leaders reported - and often they end up signing the player. That doesn't mean the other finalists were "used". Guys like Izzo and Bennett still want the chance to give a potential player a final face to face pitch. Your interpretation of the process indicated a predetermined anti Hauser bias IMO. Your apology (which you promised if proven wrong) proves (no surprise) that you're a stand up guy.

4. Agree (and have always felt) that Sam was desperately unhappy. The idea that Joey was the driving force here never made sense given all that Sam was sacrificing (top 10 team in 2020, legacy as a 2nd tier all time great at MU, etc.). Maybe he and Joey were gone regardless of Markus's decision and were giving him the courtesy of announcing first. Maybe they believed that Mojo would  demand more team play if his star left. Either way, doesn't matter to me - IMO Wojo looks bad.

5. Amen.

6. Agree, except for any speculation that he was the "cause of this". Some opine that he's a baby who can't handle criticism. So because of that he left drill sergeant Wojo for easy going Tom Izzo? Hilarious.

7 and 8. Agree.

9. To those who think this was all about "touches", usage, shots, wanting to be the "man", etc. - take off the blue and gold glasses and look at the facts. Nobody on Virginia (even their top 10 lottery pick) gets statistical "star treatment" and even the stars on MSU have usage rates 20-30% lower than Markus's. At those two elite programs "The strength of our team is our team" is a way of life - not an empty slogan.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 26, 2019, 12:54:40 PM

Taught ewe were sworn ta secrecy. Meat summit invite now in jeopardy, hey?

Tomorrow's headline:

Dentists Create Cavity in Wisconsin Basketball Roster
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2019, 01:16:54 PM
Name a playa hoo announced his intention ta transfer, and den changed his mind and came back to da skool he announced his intent ta transfer from, hey?

Wan Andersun.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 26, 2019, 01:24:03 PM

9. To those who think this was all about "touches", usage, shots, wanting to be the "man", etc. - take off the blue and gold glasses and look at the facts. Nobody on Virginia (even their top 10 lottery pick) gets statistical "star treatment" and even the stars on MSU have usage rates 20-30% lower than Markus's. At those two elite programs "The strength of our team is our team" is a way of life - not an empty slogan.

If you see the problem as being about one person (Markus) getting too many touches, then transferring to a true team where the offense is spread around makes a lot of sense.  I agree that anyone who saw Sam as the type of player who demanded to be featured was way off base.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 26, 2019, 01:26:15 PM
1. Agreed

2. I had the same information.

3. Even if that information had turned out to be accurate, I thought your suggestion that the Hausers were "punking" or using Izzo and Bennett was way out of line. In any recruitment there are favorites or leaders reported - and often they end up signing the player. That doesn't mean the other finalists were "used". Guys like Izzo and Bennett still want the chance to give a potential player a final face to face pitch. Your interpretation of the process indicated a predetermined anti Hauser bias IMO. Your apology (which you promised if proven wrong) proves (no surprise) that you're a stand up guy.

4. Agree (and have always felt) that Sam was desperately unhappy. The idea that Joey was the driving force here never made sense given all that Sam was sacrificing (top 10 team in 2020, legacy as a 2nd tier all time great at MU, etc.). Maybe he and Joey were gone regardless of Markus's decision and were giving him the courtesy of announcing first. Maybe they believed that Mojo would  demand more team play if his star left. Either way, doesn't matter to me - IMO Wojo looks bad.

5. Amen.

6. Agree, except for any speculation that he was the "cause of this". Some opine that he's a baby who can't handle criticism. So because of that he left drill sergeant Wojo for easy going Tom Izzo? Hilarious.

7 and 8. Agree.

9. To those who think this was all about "touches", usage, shots, wanting to be the "man", etc. - take off the blue and gold glasses and look at the facts. Nobody on Virginia (even their top 10 lottery pick) gets statistical "star treatment" and even the stars on MSU have usage rates 20-30% lower than Markus's. At those two elite programs "The strength of our team is our team" is a way of life - not an empty slogan.

Stupid post.  MSU and UVa rosters were far more talented than MUs and chock full if guys that could score.  If Marcus did not score alot MU could be offensively bankrupt at times.  Look at Purdue, a more apt comparison. Many PU fans bitched about Edwards useage and that he ball hogged n shot them out of games.  While people that knew a damn thing at basketball knew that PU, just like MU, was an NIT team if their ball hog wasnt scoring 25+ in a game. All the people bitching at edwards were then loving him when he single handedly carried PU to the elite 8 and almost the final 4.  In the elite 8 game where he went off against UVa no other PU player scored in double digits and it wasnt solely because edwards was hogging the ball. It was because his teammates were not that good.  Unfortunately for MU there was a pair of brother and apparently their parent who were more interested in counting shots and touches than the sucess of the entire team.  The young men at Purdue understood who should be shooting and bought into it for the benefit of the team and they enjoyed a B10 championship and an elite 8 run.  Sacar, theo, jamal, and the rest of the fine young men working n committed together for the betterment of the team were on board. The Hausers fixated on their lack of glory and submarined the entire season.  Two incredibly similar situations that ended in two entirely different fashions.  Some can blame a coach they dont like, the rest of the world knows it was the malcontents.
I am glad they will be announcing the schools that they will grace with their mere precense, personally im glad they are announcing so we can leave this saga and classic case of how detrimental selfish individuals can be to a team and its ability to be successful.  Wish them the best if u will, im just glad they are gone.  They destroyed what could have been a magical season, if some want to wish them the best after they did that then so be it
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2019, 01:39:24 PM
9. To those who think this was all about "touches", usage, shots, wanting to be the "man", etc. - take off the blue and gold glasses and look at the facts. Nobody on Virginia (even their top 10 lottery pick) gets statistical "star treatment" and even the stars on MSU have usage rates 20-30% lower than Markus's. At those two elite programs "The strength of our team is our team" is a way of life - not an empty slogan.

Sam definitely would have transferred from MU if he received as much usage as Markus. Because it's all about the team for him, not wanting more shots, says very naive person.

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
And yet, Lenny, reports are they were willing to stay if Markus left.  If that is accurate, it destroys the notion it is Wojo. If it isn't about touches and is about preferential treatment, why stay if Markus leaves?  If it is about preferential treatment, the source, the coach who engaged in it is still there.  Why stay if the one engaged in unfair treatment stays but the object leaves?    That just doesn't  track for me.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 01:44:47 PM
Stupid post.  MSU and UVa rosters were far more talented than MUs and chock full if guys that could score.  If Marcus did not score alot MU could be offensively bankrupt at times.  Look at Purdue, a more apt comparison. Many PU fans bitched about Edwards useage and that he ball hogged n shot them out of games.  While people that knew a damn thing at basketball knew that PU, just like MU, was an NIT team if their ball hog wasnt scoring 25+ in a game. All the people bitching at edwards were then loving him when he single handedly carried PU to the elite 8 and almost the final 4.  In the elite 8 game where he went off against UVa no other PU player scored in double digits and it wasnt solely because edwards was hogging the ball. It was because his teammates were not that good.  Unfortunately for MU there was a pair of brother and apparently their parent who were more interested in counting shots and touches than the sucess of the entire team.  The young men at Purdue understood who should be shooting at bought into it for the benefit of the team and they enjoyed a B10 championship and an elite 8 run.  Sacar, theo, jamal, and the rest of the fine young men working n committed together for the betterment of the team were on board. The Hausers fixated on their lack of glory and submarined the entire season.  Two incredibly similar situations that ended in two entirely different fashions.  Some can blame a coach they dont like, the rest of the world knows it was the malcontents.
I am glad they will be announcing the schools that they will grace with their mere precense, personally im glad they are announcing so we can leave this saga and classic case of how detrimental selfish individuals can be to a team and its ability to be successful.  Wish them the best if u will, im just glad they are gone.  They destroyed what could have been a magical season, if some want to wish them the best after they did that then so be it

So all but a few in this big wide world know that Sam and Joey are malcontents. Thank God for them Izzo and Bennett are among those few fools not as smart as you..

They want to play in a program where team play is emphasized over hero ball. To you that is a sign of selfishness. LMAO.

Today you say they destroyed what could have been a magical season. Last week Sam was pretty good with some glaring flaws and Joey didn't even belong in a 7 or 8 man rotation. Huh?

Often when I read your posts I think "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard". But you always manage to outdo yourself. I guess that's an accomplishment of sorts.

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 26, 2019, 01:44:57 PM
And yet, Lenny, reports are they were willing to stay if Markus left.  If that is accurate, it destroys the notion it is Wojo.

Lenny doesn’t like Wojo....period. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 02:04:46 PM
Sam definitely would have transferred from MU if he received as much usage as Markus. Because it's all about the team for him, not wanting more shots, says very naive person.

The only way anyone could get as much usage as Markus at MU is if we played by Iowa high school girls rules and only 3 players were allowed to cross into the offensive side of half court.

Sam transferred to a school where his usage and shots almost assuredly will NOT increase but his team win totals almost assuredly will. Anyone who is remotely fair and has half a brain can figure out what was and was not important to him.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 26, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
So all but a few in this big wide world know that Sam and Joey are malcontents. Thank God for them Izzo and Bennett are among those few fools not as smart as you..

They want to play in a program where team play is emphasized over hero ball. To you that is a sign of selfishness. LMAO.

Today you say they destroyed what could have been a magical season. Last week Sam was pretty good with some glaring flaws and Joey didn't even belong in a 7 or 8 man rotation. Huh?

Often when I read your posts I think "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard". But you always manage to outdo yourself. I guess that's an accomplishment of sorts.

Agree if Joey bitches and acts like he did at MU, soft and whining Izzo wont care he will bench him for another top 50 kid.  Hes not afraid nothing lost if Joeys not all in.  And yes at times sam n especially joey were offensively bankrupt in the fact that they struggle to score, MU wasnt geared for hero ball but at times when no one else can create a shot then u need a hero.  Ur post only reaffirms what i said
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
Lenny doesn’t like Wojo....period.
Who cares?  Lots of people dislike Wojo.  There are days I am one of them. 

But if the letter happened... If Sam and Joey were willing to stay if Markus left... I don't see how a case can be made that it wasn't about the Hausers wanting more touches.  Which makes them the parties most reponsible for this.   I just cannot see how players can claim the coach is engaged in favoritism and yet say they will stay if the object of the favoritism leaves.  The coach plays favorites but it is ok if I am the favorite?     The favorite stays so we are leaving?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: forgetful on May 26, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
The only way anyone could get as much usage as Markus at MU is if we played by Iowa high school girls rules and only 3 players were allowed to cross into the offensive side of half court.

Sam transferred to a school where his usage and shots almost assuredly will NOT increase but his team win totals almost assuredly will. Anyone who is remotely fair and has half a brain can figure out what was and was not important to him.

Lenny, I'm not saying you are wrong, because no one knows what actually all went down. What I will say, is that you are placing a ton of bias into your statements and opinions, and then concluding that "anyone with half a brain"..."the only logical conclusion is"..."anyone can clearly see"... [your stance here].

There are about a million different variables, questions, possibilities at play here. Only one or two support your narrative. The most likely scenarios is that this was a really emotional, and confusing process involving young men, who were looking after their own interests, and a coach, who was looking out for what is best for the team in the long run. Maybe, one, several or all of them really screwed this situation up. Maybe they actually came to the most reasonable, and mutually beneficial conclusion.

We can't know the details. Spinning wheels, arguing, and throwing people under the bus, in the name of our biased narrative, when we maybe know 3 of a million variables is not good in the long run.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 02:13:55 PM
And yet, Lenny, reports are they were willing to stay if Markus left.  If that is accurate, it destroys the notion it is Wojo. If it isn't about touches and is about preferential treatment, why stay if Markus leaves?  If it is about preferential treatment, the source, the coach who engaged in it is still there.  Why stay if the one engaged in unfair treatment stays but the object leaves?    That just doesn't  track for me.

First of all, there is zero evidence that the Hausers were staying if Markus left. That's pure conjecture. But could I see a possible scenario where they could have stayed if the player the head coach threw out the playbook to defer to left? Why not?

Contrary to what at least one poster might say, I don't dislike Wojo. Before this incident I have moved back and forth between hopeful and a little less so. But IMO this whole situation and what led up to it is one huge red flag.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on May 26, 2019, 02:21:45 PM
Wojo said at his presser that he had talked to Tony Bennett on the phone.  I would love to have heard that conversation.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
There is zero 'evidence' for just about everything in this case.   There is hearsay and conjecture everywhere.  All of the opinions expressed here, including yours and mine, are based on our interpretation of that hearsay and conjecture.  The only verifiable fact is that the Hausers decided to leave a team that was listed as a preseason top 10 in a lot of places.   
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Nukem2 on May 26, 2019, 02:29:06 PM
There is zero 'evidence' for just about everything in this case.   There is hearsay and conjecture everywhere.  All of the opinions expressed here, including yours and mine, are based on our interpretation of that hearsay and conjecture.  The only verifiable fact is that the Hausers decided to leave a team that was listed as a preseason top 10 in a lot of places.
That’s the only fact.  None of us are in the Hausers’ heads.  We shall see what we shall see.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 02:31:23 PM
Lenny, I'm not saying you are wrong, because no one knows what actually all went down. What I will say, is that you are placing a ton of bias into your statements and opinions, and then concluding that "anyone with half a brain"..."the only logical conclusion is"..."anyone can clearly see"... [your stance here].

There are about a million different variables, questions, possibilities at play here. Only one or two support your narrative. The most likely scenarios is that this was a really emotional, and confusing process involving young men, who were looking after their own interests, and a coach, who was looking out for what is best for the team in the long run.

We can't know the details. Spinning wheels, arguing, and throwing people under the bus, in the name of our biased narrative, when we maybe know 3 of a million variables is not good in the long run.

Forgetful,

Of course there are a lot of details we'll never know. But as far as I can tell, two basic theories have emerged:

1, The Hausers wanted more touches, more shots. They didn't have a problem with "hero ball", they just wanted to be the hero.

2. The Hausers were uncomfortable with the whole concept of "hero ball". To them it wasn't fun and ultimately they didn't think it was as effective.

Had they ended up at Iowa (or even, to a lesser extent, UW) one could make a logical argument for #1. Because they ended up at UVA and MSU all logic points to #2.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 02:33:00 PM
My bad.  A second fact.  The Hausers announced their transfer shortly after Markus announced his return.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
The only way anyone could get as much usage as Markus at MU is if we played by Iowa high school girls rules and only 3 players were allowed to cross into the offensive side of half court.

Purdue played Iowa  HS girls rules?
I learn something new every day around here.

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Sam transferred to a school where his usage and shots almost assuredly will NOT increase but his team win totals almost assuredly will. Anyone who is remotely fair and has half a brain can figure out what was and was not important to him.

Right, he left a projected top 10 (and top 5 according to some) and seriously considered UW, because he's all about the winning. Also, you're not at all naive.

Look, you can do a post search if you want, but I've never ripped the Hausers, called them malcontents, selfish or anything of the sort. But if you put on your thinking cap for a moment, you'd perhaps understand that the tale you've been spewing that portrays their decision as an almost altruistic act - one that was forced upon them, no less - is complete and utter trash.

They left Marquette for one reason and one reason only - they decided it was in their personal interests to leave Marquette.
It's certainly not about winning - if they cared about only winning, they'd have sucked it up and stuck it out for a year with a team that had Final 4 potential. And they would not have strongly considered Wisconsin.

And you know what? It's fine that they're looking out for their personal interests. I won't say bad things about them for that.
But for some odd reason you won't admit that, probably because your narrative relies on them being forced into this difficult decision by a mean and incompetent head coach who won't rein in a selfish star player, rather than just being a couple of kids looking out for themselves.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Nukem2 on May 26, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
My bad.  A second fact.  The Hausers announced their transfer shortly after Markus announced his return.
That is a fact, though reading more into that is not factual.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
First of all, there is zero evidence that the Hausers were staying if Markus left. That's pure conjecture.

When I went to bed last night, the pavement outside was dry. When I woke up, it was wet. Whether or not it rained overnight, however, is pure conjecture.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 02:37:30 PM
That is a fact, though reading more into that is not factual.
Correct.  Beyond that is conjecture.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: forgetful on May 26, 2019, 02:38:57 PM
Forgetful,

Of course there are a lot of details we'll never know. But as far as I can tell, two basic theories have emerged:

1, The Hausers wanted more touches, more shots. They didn't have a problem with "hero ball", they just wanted to be the hero.

2. The Hausers were uncomfortable with the whole concept of "hero ball". To them it wasn't fun and ultimately they didn't think it was as effective.

Had they ended up at Iowa (or even, to a lesser extent, UW) one could make a logical argument for #1. Because they ended up at UVA and MSU all logic points to #2.

The problems with most things in life and society is that we move towards two camps, two theories, two solutions, A and Z. More often than not, the best option is somewhere around M. People don't like to concede to M (often myself included).

It is perfectly possible, that the Hauser's would be perfectly ok at a place like MU, where they may not go to a final 4, but would get to be the heroes. But, if they can't be the hero, they would rather be at a place that would give them a chance at a National title.

Similarly, they would be fine with an Iowa, UW, MU, if they got to play as stars together. But if not being stars together, being separate on National title contesting teams would be preferred.

I'm not saying the above is correct. I'm saying it is Option M, and the more likely situation. Where it actually falls we will never know. There are even more dimensions to this problem than a simple A-Z scale.

I hope you don't take this as an attack on you or your position, it most definitely is not.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
There is zero 'evidence' for just about everything in this case.   There is hearsay and conjecture everywhere.  All of the opinions expressed here, including yours and mine, are based on our interpretation of that hearsay and conjecture.  The only verifiable fact is that the Hausers decided to leave a team that was listed as a preseason top 10 in a lot of places.

IMHO the places they ended up (UVA and MSU) are evidence. Evidence of the fact this is about playing for coaches whose team's a) have won a lot more frequently than Wojo and b) have done it a team > individual concept. How anyone could believe they're going to Izzo or Bennett to get more "touches" blows me away. You go to those guys only if you're committed fully to the team over individual concept.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
Cassius Winston's usage was just behind that of Markus and Edwards.  MU was projected to be ranked right with those two teams.    And your evidence is still conjecture and extrapolation.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 26, 2019, 02:49:18 PM
First of all, there is zero evidence that the Hausers were staying if Markus left. That's pure conjecture. But could I see a possible scenario where they could have stayed if the player the head coach threw out the playbook to defer to left? Why not?

Contrary to what at least one poster might say, I don't dislike Wojo. Before this incident I have moved back and forth between hopeful and a little less so. But IMO this whole situation and what led up to it is one huge red flag.

Sure, you like him as a person, but not what I am referencing. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 26, 2019, 02:50:41 PM
When I went to bed last night, the pavement outside was dry. When I woke up, it was wet. Whether or not it rained overnight, however, is pure conjecture.

Morning dew?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 26, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
Let's be careful to assume because a couple of writers say they are going to MSU and VA, means it's true. Let's wait until there is OFFICIAL announcement from the boys themselves, or from the schools they transfer to, to assume that MSU and VA are done. Lots here thought the same thing about them going to UW as well...how did that end up??
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 26, 2019, 02:52:51 PM
IMHO the places they ended up (UVA and MSU) are evidence. Evidence of the fact this is about playing for coaches whose team's a) have won a lot more frequently than Wojo and b) have done it a team > individual concept. How anyone could believe they're going to Izzo or Bennett to get more "touches" blows me away. You go to those guys only if you're committed fully to the team over individual concept.

Just a month ago you were questioning Bennett as a coach to some degree, because God forbid he didn’t have the long run yet....and as uva was going through it, the back handed compliments about Bennett because of how they won.  Make up your mind on him, please.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 02:53:07 PM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2019/05/26/joey-hauser-set-transferring-michigan-state/1246000001/


Agreed, Guru.   It is still just 'sources'.     Nothing official.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 26, 2019, 03:00:27 PM
I still don't care that they transferred or where they ended up. They aren't (and probably never were) Warriors.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 26, 2019, 03:15:58 PM
Lenny doesn’t like Wojo....period.

Plus Tax.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: PointWarrior on May 26, 2019, 03:23:23 PM
And now the inevitable “academics” being thrown out there as a possibility for the Hausers not going to Wisconsin. 

Unreal... 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 26, 2019, 03:26:31 PM
Bucky fans gotta bucky fan. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 03:35:25 PM
Purdue played Iowa  HS girls rules?
I learn something new every day around here.


If Sam had Markus's usage the 2 of them would have had around a 75% usage. Purdue had 2 players that totaled 75% usage?

I learn something new every day around here.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
If Sam had Markus's usage the 2 of them would have had around a 75% usage. Purdue had 2 players that totaled 75% usage?

I learn something new every day around here.

That's not what you wrote.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 03:49:08 PM
Lenny doesn’t like Wojo....period.

Chico is lying....period.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 26, 2019, 04:11:33 PM
Ummm, he is now playing for a National Championship coach and the reigning National Championship team. Maybe he just likes his chances at glory better there?

Right. Give up a year of playing. Move far away from family and friends. Terminate a great legacy at Marquette.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 04:12:49 PM
That's not what you wrote.

You wrote (sarcastically) that Sam would have left if he was getting as much usage as Markus.

I wrote that if he was, we could leave 2 people in the backcourt to only play defense because 75% 0f our usage would be accounted for. You wrote that Purdue must play that way also, which implies they had 2 players who accounted for 75% usage. I think that is incorrect but if you have numbers that back it up I'm willing to listen.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2019, 04:17:58 PM
Let's be careful to assume because a couple of writers say they are going to MSU and VA, means it's true. Let's wait until there is OFFICIAL announcement from the boys themselves, or from the schools they transfer to, to assume that MSU and VA are done. Lots here thought the same thing about them going to UW as well...how did that end up??

Guru is correct. The reality is, not one person here has had good information on this whole situation. Everyone has a father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate who swears that they have good information. Hell, there was a poster who PMed me and I believe several other people and said the Hausers had committed to Wisconsin over a month ago. A lot of people are falling into the trap of the telephone game and believing everything a trusted "source" tells them. The only sources that matter are Joey and Sam themselves and I'm pretty sure very few (if any of us) have any direct connects to them. And even those that do, I don't think they are going to be sharing that info in a public forum like this.

And maybe I'm overreacting because of who is involved, but personally I think Portykus trying to preempt the Hauser's announcement by saying they were going to MSU and UVA seems like a very dickish thing to do. I guess as a journalist your job is to report what you hear....but it strikes me as him trying to get back at the Hausers for not picking UW.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 26, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
Chico is lying....period.

Nope, which is why I am not alone in saying what I did.  You know what, I am probably those guys, too...ehh....with 100% certainty...eh?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 04:24:10 PM
IMHO the places they ended up (UVA and MSU) are evidence. Evidence of the fact this is about playing for coaches whose team's a) have won a lot more frequently than Wojo and b) have done it a team > individual concept. How anyone could believe they're going to Izzo or Bennett to get more "touches" blows me away. You go to those guys only if you're committed fully to the team over individual concept.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
I still don't care that they transferred or where they ended up. They aren't (and probably never were) Warriors.
Neither is Wojo. Who is getting paid a ton.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 26, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
Wojo said at his presser that he had talked to Tony Bennett on the phone.  I would love to have heard that conversation.

And any conversations between Bennett and Joey.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2019, 04:30:16 PM
You wrote (sarcastically) that Sam would have left if he was getting as much usage as Markus.

I wrote that if he was, we could leave 2 people in the backcourt to only play defense because 75% 0f our usage would be accounted for. You wrote that Purdue must play that way also, which implies they had 2 players who accounted for 75% usage. I think that is incorrect but if you have numbers that back it up I'm willing to listen.

Well, perhaps we're just talking past one another. I wasn't suggesting that Sam AND Markus would have the same usage TOGETHER, but rather if roles were reversed (and Sam had Markus' usage), he wouldn't be transferring.
It appears you believe otherwise, because he's all about the team and winning.

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 04:36:45 PM
Makes sense.  If scoop does that and we get Wojo fired, we should be able to hire the next coach then, too.  I hate kool-aid
But you love the Wojo kool aid. And since you are so all knowing about solutions, what would you have done. And please spare us the wojo platitudes
Nothing  will excuse the disaster of the past 3 months. Bit take a deep dive into the Wojo express.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 04:37:16 PM
Well, perhaps we're just talking past one another. I wasn't suggesting that Sam AND Markus would have the same usage TOGETHER, but rather if roles were reversed (and Sam had Markus' usage), he wouldn't be transferring.
It appears you believe otherwise, because he's all about the team and winning.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. However, I honestly don't think Sam would be comfortable with a 37%+ usage under any circumstances - doesn't seem like that type of a player, at least from what I've seen. Seems to prefer a system over freelance.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: swoopem on May 26, 2019, 05:04:29 PM
Morning dew?

Europe 72 England version? Doesn’t get much better
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2019, 05:14:19 PM
Sorry for the misunderstanding. However, I honestly don't think Sam would be comfortable with a 37%+ usage under any circumstances - doesn't seem like that type of a player, at least from what I've seen. Seems to prefer a system over freelance.

The guy who wrote a petition and went behind his “best friend’s” back seems like way too good of a guy to want extra touches. He’s all about everyone else being happy, that’s why, after a string of 20 wins in 22 games, he wanted to make sure everyone except for Markus was happy and if they weren’t he asked they please sign the dotted line.

 ;D
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 05:16:14 PM
But you love the Wojo kool aid. And since you are so all knowing about solutions, what would you have done. And please spare us the wojo platitudes
Nothing  will excuse the disaster of the past 3 months. Bit take a deep dive into the Wojo express.

I’d have cut Howard and let Mr. Hauser coach the team after firing Wojo
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2019, 05:18:28 PM
The quotes in the MSU article are hilarious. Gard did great recruiting the Hausers, the Hausers just weren’t allowed to make their own decisions, according to an insider.

Is there any doubt Gard brought Anderson onto the roster, Anderson started getting in the Hausers ear about how great the Wisconsin system is, how great Gard is, how hard it must be to play for Wojo when he lets Markus run wild, and now Gard has Mr. Anderson, the Hausers’ high school coach, being his personal spokesperson on the Hauser recruitment? After the announcement of their transfer he goes on record speaking for the Hausers. Now there’s an anonymous source dropping all this knowledge about a silent verbal and now how that decision was taken out of their hands. Hard to figure out who this anonymous source is...
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 26, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Guru is correct. The reality is, not one person here has had good information on this whole situation. Everyone has a father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate who swears that they have good information. Hell, there was a poster who PMed me and I believe several other people and said the Hausers had committed to Wisconsin over a month ago. A lot of people are falling into the trap of the telephone game and believing everything a trusted "source" tells them. The only sources that matter are Joey and Sam themselves and I'm pretty sure very few (if any of us) have any direct connects to them. And even those that do, I don't think they are going to be sharing that info in a public forum like this.

And maybe I'm overreacting because of who is involved, but personally I think Portykus trying to preempt the Hauser's announcement by saying they were going to MSU and UVA seems like a very dickish thing to do. I guess as a journalist your job is to report what you hear....but it strikes me as him trying to get back at the Hausers for not picking UW.
Exactly. There were upwards of 10 scoopers who claimed to have inside info/knew the Hausers/knew someone inside Mubb....
Then to claim “my insider had bad intel”...
Frickin hilarious. No one knew a god damn thing.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 26, 2019, 05:22:04 PM
82 u suffer from logerrhea and anyone that has spent more than 5 minutes on this board knows it.  Ur incoherrent rambling and consistent misrepresentations are par for your course. No need to apologize we expect it, ur are a true journalist in a profession that is at its lowest ebb. Carry on, we know that u will, our expectations will remain very low.

Are you trying to win the award for most ironic post of all time?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 26, 2019, 05:24:23 PM
Guru is correct. The reality is, not one person here has had good information on this whole situation. Everyone has a father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate who swears that they have good information. Hell, there was a poster who PMed me and I believe several other people and said the Hausers had committed to Wisconsin over a month ago. A lot of people are falling into the trap of the telephone game and believing everything a trusted "source" tells them. The only sources that matter are Joey and Sam themselves and I'm pretty sure very few (if any of us) have any direct connects to them. And even those that do, I don't think they are going to be sharing that info in a public forum like this.

And maybe I'm overreacting because of who is involved, but personally I think Portykus trying to preempt the Hauser's announcement by saying they were going to MSU and UVA seems like a very dickish thing to do. I guess as a journalist your job is to report what you hear....but it strikes me as him trying to get back at the Hausers for not picking UW.

I’ll say this:  Potrykus is a clown and it’s a joke that a complete Badger homer like him is allowed to be the beat writer for a reputable paper like the Journal Sentinel.  He even posts on Buckyville, and I think he’s thrown shade at Marquette on there in the past, and also possibly on Twitter as well.

I feel the same way about Tom Haudricourt.  Guy wouldn’t say a bad word about the Brewers to save his soul.  But hey, that’s the Wisconsin sports media for you.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 26, 2019, 05:24:51 PM
How about demanding that Wojo be held accountable for his classic f ups, instead of criticizing kids around him and offering up their lame excuses for Wojo failures. How about taking the blinders off. How about quit chugging the Kool aid, and demanding performance instead of wasted years. Something even you should try. But it always more convenient to accept the same old same old. All the evidence is there for people, just do not want to admit that the guy is still over his head after 15 years at Duke, and 5 here.

So what have you done to hold Wojo accountable besides bitch on a message board? You’re not an alum. You don’t go to games. You don’t donate money.

Seems like a pretty empty gesture.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 26, 2019, 05:34:43 PM
I’ll say this:  Potrykus is a clown and it’s a joke that a complete Badger homer like him is allowed to be the beat writer for a reputable paper like the Journal Sentinel.  He even posts on Buckyville, and I think he’s thrown shade at Marquette on there in the past, and also possibly on Twitter as well.

I feel the same way about Tom Haudricourt.  Guy wouldn’t say a bad word about the Brewers to save his soul.  But hey, that’s the Wisconsin sports media for you.
Nailed it.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dawson Rental on May 26, 2019, 05:40:28 PM
So what have you done to hold Wojo accountable besides bitch on a message board? You’re not an alum. You don’t go to games. You don’t donate money.

Seems like a pretty empty gesture.

You may be fluffy and blue, but let me assure you that you are not a monster!

or +1
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: PointWarrior on May 26, 2019, 05:59:41 PM

But hey - Gard at least gets to keep Trevor Anderson... :P

The quotes in the MSU article are hilarious. Gard did great recruiting the Hausers, the Hausers just weren’t allowed to make their own decisions, according to an insider.

Is there any doubt Gard brought Anderson onto the roster, Anderson started getting in the Hausers ear about how great the Wisconsin system is, how great Gard is, how hard it must be to play for Wojo when he lets Markus run wild, and now Gard has Mr. Anderson, the Hausers’ high school coach, being his personal spokesperson on the Hauser recruitment? After the announcement of their transfer he goes on record speaking for the Hausers. Now there’s an anonymous source dropping all this knowledge about a silent verbal and now how that decision was taken out of their hands. Hard to figure out who this anonymous source is...
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: avid1010 on May 26, 2019, 06:17:43 PM
Exactly. There were upwards of 10 scoopers who claimed to have inside info/knew the Hausers/knew someone inside Mubb....
Then to claim “my insider had bad intel”...
Frickin hilarious. No one knew a god damn thing.
I said UW early on...essentially heard it from the parents...at that time MSU and UVA were not possibilities.  I would guess that is why they ended up at two different schools.  If they were my kids...I'd be thinking Joey made a great choice.  I'd be looking at Sam and saying it's a bit of a risk...but likely his best shot at the NBA.  I love that they didn't go to UW. 

I hope like hell MU can play lockdown deffense this year and Markus can be consistent with his game. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 26, 2019, 06:20:15 PM
But you love the Wojo kool aid. And since you are so all knowing about solutions, what would you have done. And please spare us the wojo platitudes
Nothing  will excuse the disaster of the past 3 months. Bit take a deep dive into the Wojo express.

Willie
It's time for you to take a break.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 26, 2019, 06:32:22 PM
I said UW early on...essentially heard it from the parents...at that time MSU and UVA were not possibilities.  I would guess that is why they ended up at two different schools.  If they were my kids...I'd be thinking Joey made a great choice.  I'd be looking at Sam and saying it's a bit of a risk...but likely his best shot at the NBA.  I love that they didn't go to UW. 

I hope like hell MU can play lockdown deffense this year and Markus can be consistent with his game.
You heard it from the Hausers they were going to UW. You proclaimed it several times. That is some serious fricking inside info....yet you were wrong.
I thank baby Jesus you (and others) were wrong. I guess I don’t understand why many claim to have connections and inside info.....and yet, you didn’t have anything.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUfan12 on May 26, 2019, 06:47:37 PM
MSU was working through scholarship issues and UVA had guys exploring the draft process. No wonder people thought UW. The only thing that was never accurate was that they gave an early silent verbal.

These are college kids who change their mind all the time. Recruiting info has a shelf life, and what someone is told can change in an instant. No need to go after people who post what they hear.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 26, 2019, 06:53:41 PM
Are you trying to win the award for most ironic post of all time?

MSK needs mental help. Cut him a break.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 26, 2019, 06:54:12 PM
Well, perhaps we're just talking past one another. I wasn't suggesting that Sam AND Markus would have the same usage TOGETHER, but rather if roles were reversed (and Sam had Markus' usage), he wouldn't be transferring.
It appears you believe otherwise, because he's all about the team and winning.

Not taking sides one way or the other in the argument, but.....

I simply will point out that someone as slow and unathletic (relatively speaking) as Sam could never have as high of a usage rate as Markus.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 26, 2019, 06:55:39 PM
I’d have cut Howard and let Mr. Hauser coach the team after firing Wojo

Sarcasm was such a great invention.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 26, 2019, 07:24:39 PM
Sarcasm was such a great invention.

Not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 26, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
I’ll say this:  Potrykus is a clown and it’s a joke that a complete Badger homer like him is allowed to be the beat writer for a reputable paper like the Journal Sentinel.  He even posts on Buckyville, and I think he’s thrown shade at Marquette on there in the past, and also possibly on Twitter as well.

I feel the same way about Tom Haudricourt.  Guy wouldn’t say a bad word about the Brewers to save his soul.  But hey, that’s the Wisconsin sports media for you.

Absolutely correct!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 26, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
Exactly. There were upwards of 10 scoopers who claimed to have inside info/knew the Hausers/knew someone inside Mubb....
Then to claim “my insider had bad intel”...
Frickin hilarious. No one knew a god damn thing.

No, they knew things, only at this point apparently,  not the Right Things.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 26, 2019, 07:41:01 PM
MSU was working through scholarship issues and UVA had guys exploring the draft process. No wonder people thought UW. The only thing that was never accurate was that they gave an early silent verbal.

These are college kids who change their mind all the time. Recruiting info has a shelf life, and what someone is told can change in an instant. No need to go after people who post what they hear.
When did they change their mind? They were for sure going to UW and then changed their mind? Is this info from the Hauser’s parents or someone inside Mubb?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 07:50:32 PM
Sarcasm was such a great invention.

I like being called a “slurper” because I don’t attack Wojo in every post
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: avid1010 on May 26, 2019, 08:13:58 PM
You heard it from the Hausers they were going to UW. You proclaimed it several times. That is some serious fricking inside info....yet you were wrong.
I thank baby Jesus you (and others) were wrong. I guess I don’t understand why many claim to have connections and inside info.....and yet, you didn’t have anything.
I don't lie....initial post from april 22nd below...heard more (and more reliable) after that...again saying UW.  Obviously things changed and they decided to split up...that means what i heard was wrong?  I shouldn't have posted the info that was available at the time?  Having inside info on this means jack sh1t to me.  No one on this board knows who i am.  If you think for one second that I care to impress anyone by happening to have a few connections on this one you are sorely mistaken. 

 heard UW second hand through his parents...this person also raved about the parents being great individuals.  At that time it sounded like they weren't hearing from MSU or UVA...as i said...hope that changes...i have no interest in seeing them go to bucky.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
MSU was working through scholarship issues and UVA had guys exploring the draft process. No wonder people thought UW. The only thing that was never accurate was that they gave an early silent verbal.

These are college kids who change their mind all the time. Recruiting info has a shelf life, and what someone is told can change in an instant. No need to go after people who post what they hear.

No issues with people posting what they hear. Just wish they were better at recognizing when what they're hearing is opinion, conjecture, or just straight up BS. Or when they post it's in the form of "I heard this..." instead of "they're going to ....."
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 26, 2019, 08:53:25 PM
I like being called a “slurper” because I don’t attack Wojo in every post
But you do praise, defend and make excuses for him in every post. So wear the moniker with all the false pride you can muster.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 26, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
I don't lie....initial post from april 22nd below...heard more (and more reliable) after that...again saying UW.  Obviously things changed and they decided to split up...that means what i heard was wrong?  I shouldn't have posted the info that was available at the time?  Having inside info on this means jack sh1t to me.  No one on this board knows who i am.  If you think for one second that I care to impress anyone by happening to have a few connections on this one you are sorely mistaken. 

 heard UW second hand through his parents...this person also raved about the parents being great individuals.  At that time it sounded like they weren't hearing from MSU or UVA...as i said...hope that changes...i have no interest in seeing them go to bucky.
You are not the only one to have....heard it directly from your source(Hausers). I don’t believe the boys had made up their mind where they were going, but most all sources ASSUMED Wisconsin and stated such as fact. Then we heard of visits to other schools. Some doubled down, trusting their sources yet again, stating the boys were bambouzaling other coaches in some strange charade. If my sources tell me they are going to UW, why are they going through the level of deception? Post all the insider info you want, it just doesn’t seem to mean much in this case.
I don’t think you intenationally lied, I think you and others wanted to be right and posted over and over with what turns out to be misinformation.
Doesn’t matter much, and thank sweet baby Jesus they are not wearing cardinal and white.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 26, 2019, 09:00:19 PM
But you do praise, defend and make excuses for him in every post. So wear the moniker with all the false pride you can muster.

You must have me confused with someone else
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: buckchuckler on May 26, 2019, 09:21:01 PM
I said UW early on...essentially heard it from the parents...at that time MSU and UVA were not possibilities.  I would guess that is why they ended up at two different schools.  If they were my kids...I'd be thinking Joey made a great choice.  I'd be looking at Sam and saying it's a bit of a risk...but likely his best shot at the NBA.  I love that they didn't go to UW. 

I hope like hell MU can play lockdown deffense this year and Markus can be consistent with his game.

Going into the draft at 23 is his best chance at the NBA?

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: avid1010 on May 26, 2019, 09:25:44 PM
You are not the only one to have....heard it directly from your source(Hausers). I don’t believe the boys had made up their mind where they were going, but most all sources ASSUMED Wisconsin and stated such as fact. Then we heard of visits to other schools. Some doubled down, trusting their sources yet again, stating the boys were bambouzaling other coaches in some strange charade. If my sources tell me they are going to UW, why are they going through the level of deception? Post all the insider info you want, it just doesn’t seem to mean much in this case.
I don’t think you intenationally lied, I think you and others wanted to be right and posted over and over with what turns out to be misinformation.
Doesn’t matter much, and thank sweet baby Jesus they are not wearing cardinal and white.
Never said they made up their mind...and I defended the boys when a poster claimed that they were "punking" TI and TB.  Given how it ended up...seems like the initial comment of MSU and UVA not being interested is likely...and why they had to go in different directions. 

I'm done posting...it was stupid to do so in the first place.  I didn't think I had any big time info as it was being shared pretty openly...but still probably didn't need to be posted. 

One last comment...I didn't intentionally or unitentionally lie.  That's an intentional or unintentional lie on your behalf.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 26, 2019, 09:27:35 PM
Nope, which is why I am not alone in saying what I did.  You know what, I am probably those guys, too...ehh....with 100% certainty...eh?

So by your logic if I say that you're the biggest douche in the world and I'm not alone in saying it that would prove it was true.

Not that I would say that, of course...it's just comforting to know I could prove it to be true that easily...if I wanted to...eh?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2019, 11:10:06 PM
Not taking sides one way or the other in the argument, but.....

I simply will point out that someone as slow and unathletic (relatively speaking) as Sam could never have as high of a usage rate as Markus.

Sam doesn't want the ball.  He just wants the ball to move.  Watch SPASH, it's beautiful.

Huge miss for MU.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 27, 2019, 01:17:35 AM
So by your logic if I say that you're the biggest douche in the world and I'm not alone in saying it that would prove it was true.

Not that I would say that, of course...it's just comforting to know I could prove it to be true that easily...if I wanted to...eh?

You can say anything you wish LT, nothing has stopped you in the past....don’t stop now.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 27, 2019, 07:14:02 AM
You must have me confused with someone else
No. Your number is well known.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 27, 2019, 07:15:41 AM
Sam doesn't want the ball.  He just wants the ball to move.  Watch SPASH, it's beautiful.

Huge miss for MU.
Yes  as Wojo was
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on May 27, 2019, 07:19:01 AM
Yes  as Wojo was

Ahh, good morning!
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2019, 07:33:29 AM
No. Your number is well known.

I think you have me confused with someone else
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 27, 2019, 08:49:44 AM
You can say anything you wish LT, nothing has stopped you in the past....don’t stop now.

As previously stated, I would never say it. Only trying to point out how silly/dangerous it is to say that two, a few or even many people thinking something is true makes it so. You're certainly aware of it (as you should be) when it suits your argument.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on May 27, 2019, 08:52:07 AM
I think you have me confused with someone else
Now you're going to confuse him
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: auburnmarquette on May 27, 2019, 09:26:33 AM
This post at Buckyville by ACinMSP is one of the best ever and will be forever saved.

OMG...and some of them believe it.  LOL.


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/buckyville/sam-joey-hauser-transferring-from-marquette-t98828-s3700.html

That is hillarious, thanks for sharing. Every time I get upset at things posted on the scoop I should just chill and read sites from other schools.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: auburnmarquette on May 27, 2019, 09:34:32 AM
Not taking sides one way or the other in the argument, but.....

I simply will point out that someone as slow and unathletic (relatively speaking) as Sam could never have as high of a usage rate as Markus.

Yes, you are absolutely right and thank you. This concept that anyone could just suddenly get 33%[of the shots is crazy. Even in Markus worst shooting night if the year vs Seton Hall, watching him get to the line for 24 free throws was something else. Just running down the court and finding bodies to foul him, and so frustrating opponents into technicals while doing so. Yes, he should have passed off on the last shot, but they never made that run if Sam we're trying to find a way to get to the line that many times in the closing minutes.

Keep in mind this isn't a knock on Sam - I rank him almost as valuable as Markus for the year (Markus dropped from 6th to outside the top 20 from the time he went down on his wrist end of February.

The only way Sam could have created as many shots as Markus would have been to have a quarter if his shots rejected.

The shame for me is they were the perfect complement to each other - like Dominic James driving and creating the one year he had Novak to kick it out too.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on May 27, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Some observations:

1. Does any other university get as many "silent verbals" as Wisconsin?  Which then inevitably fall through?  Such bad luck...

2. Greg Gard = Wisconsin's Hank Raymonds continues to ring true

3. The delusion of rodent fans is absurd.  The Hausers' committed to Wisconsin, but 1) Stephanie Hauser is a bitch who made the decision that they had to go elsewhere, 2) Their credits wouldn't transfer because Marquette is such a bad school, and 3) Big MU donors paid the Hauser family to go anywhere but Madison.  Did I miss any?  They only one I didn't see them trot out was that the Hausers were worried about some 324th ranked prospect taking their playing time, so I guess that's progress.

4. Wee willie really, really, REALLY needs to get laid.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: PointWarrior on May 27, 2019, 10:57:21 AM

Yes, you missed:

4)  Marquette fans are such lunatics that the Hausers could not pick Wisconsin for fear of the vile attacks they would get from Marquette fans...

Nice list otherwise :)

and yet, they don't see Marquette as a rival...



Some observations:

1. Does any other university get as many "silent verbals" as Wisconsin?  Which then inevitably fall through?  Such bad luck...

2. Greg Gard = Wisconsin's Hank Raymonds continues to ring true

3. The delusion of rodent fans is absurd.  The Hausers' committed to Wisconsin, but 1) Stephanie Hauser is a bitch who made the decision that they had to go elsewhere, 2) Their credits wouldn't transfer because Marquette is such a bad school, and 3) Big MU donors paid the Hauser family to go anywhere but Madison.  Did I miss any?  They only one I didn't see them trot out was that the Hausers were worried about some 324th ranked prospect taking their playing time, so I guess that's progress.

4. Wee willie really, really, REALLY needs to get laid.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 27, 2019, 11:58:47 AM
Some observations:

1. Does any other university get as many "silent verbals" as Wisconsin?  Which then inevitably fall through?  Such bad luck...

2. Greg Gard = Wisconsin's Hank Raymonds continues to ring true

3. The delusion of rodent fans is absurd.  The Hausers' committed to Wisconsin, but 1) Stephanie Hauser is a bitch who made the decision that they had to go elsewhere, 2) Their credits wouldn't transfer because Marquette is such a bad school, and 3) Big MU donors paid the Hauser family to go anywhere but Madison.  Did I miss any?  They only one I didn't see them trot out was that the Hausers were worried about some 324th ranked prospect taking their playing time, so I guess that's progress.

4. Wee willie really, really, REALLY needs to get laid.

Also missed their history of so many players they don’t get just happen to have terrible parents....so a strange coincidence.  Wes Matthews mom was annihilated over there, despite being an alum, as was Vander’s relatives, Gaines, etc.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Marquetteauburn on May 27, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
As embarrassing as it was to realized I'd checked out this weekend and hear this news from some friends with Wisconsin Badgers magnets on their car at Daily Mass this morning here in AUBURN ALABAMA, I took some satisfaction when the response to my joking "get that Badgers stuff out of a church parking lot," to hear the response, "I can't believe we didn't get the Hauser brothers. One thing I do notice a lot though is those of us who went to Marquette from far away often actually root for the Badgers against other teams and in football just because we really love the state from our time there. Note to self, if the main reason your wife marries you is because she is trying to escape the Wisconsin cold then you are probably never going to convince her - even after more than 30 years of marriage, that it would be fun to live there.

I will take your 50s and 60s this week over our 90s and humidity anytime if anyone wants to trade homes!
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 27, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
As embarrassing as it was to realized I'd checked out this weekend and hear this news from some friends with Wisconsin Badgers magnets on their car at Daily Mass this morning here in AUBURN ALABAMA, I took some satisfaction when the response to my joking "get that Badgers stuff out of a church parking lot," to hear the response, "I can't believe we didn't get the Hauser brothers. One thing I do notice a lot though is those of us who went to Marquette from far away often actually root for the Badgers against other teams and in football just because we really love the state from our time there. Note to self, if the main reason your wife marries you is because she is trying to escape the Wisconsin cold then you are probably never going to convince her - even after more than 30 years of marriage, that it would be fun to live there.

I will take your 50s and 60s this week over our 90s and humidity anytime if anyone wants to trade homes!

That was quite the literary journey.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: WarriorDad on May 27, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
Information since their announcement has been spotty, at best.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 27, 2019, 01:58:06 PM
Some observations:

1. Does any other university get as many "silent verbals" as Wisconsin?  Which then inevitably fall through?  Such bad luck...

2. Greg Gard = Wisconsin's Hank Raymonds continues to ring true

3. The delusion of rodent fans is absurd.  The Hausers' committed to Wisconsin, but 1) Stephanie Hauser is a bitch who made the decision that they had to go elsewhere, 2) Their credits wouldn't transfer because Marquette is such a bad school, and 3) Big MU donors paid the Hauser family to go anywhere but Madison.  Did I miss any?  They only one I didn't see them trot out was that the Hausers were worried about some 324th ranked prospect taking their playing time, so I guess that's progress.

4. Wee willie really, really, REALLY needs to get laid.

The delusion level of the highlighted theory is off the charts.

If we had donors who were willing to give the Hausers enough $$$$$ to go anywhere but Madison, they would have had enough to convince them to stay at Marquette. Hell, we would never have an outbound transfer, except for guys we wanted to offload.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUDPT on May 27, 2019, 02:11:43 PM
My source was a D1 coach in a P6 conference outside of the Midwest, who said it was Virginia. I figured that was the general consensus within CBB of where they were going.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 27, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
As embarrassing as it was to realized I'd checked out this weekend and hear this news from some friends with Wisconsin Badgers magnets on their car at Daily Mass this morning here in AUBURN ALABAMA, I took some satisfaction when the response to my joking "get that Badgers stuff out of a church parking lot," to hear the response, "I can't believe we didn't get the Hauser brothers. One thing I do notice a lot though is those of us who went to Marquette from far away often actually root for the Badgers against other teams and in football just because we really love the state from our time there. Note to self, if the main reason your wife marries you is because she is trying to escape the Wisconsin cold then you are probably never going to convince her - even after more than 30 years of marriage, that it would be fun to live there.

I will take your 50s and 60s this week over our 90s and humidity anytime if anyone wants to trade homes!

“One thing I do notice a lot though is those of us who went to Marquette from far away often actually root for the Badgers against other teams and in football”

Umm no!, indont even follow collge football and still wish 0-12 upon Wisconsin in football and 0-fer in every other sport. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 27, 2019, 02:59:11 PM
“One thing I do notice a lot though is those of us who went to Marquette from far away often actually root for the Badgers against other teams and in football”

Umm no!, indont even follow collge football and still wish 0-12 upon Wisconsin in football and 0-fer in every other sport.
Samesies.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 27, 2019, 04:18:59 PM
The title to a journal sentinel article:

"Sources: Hauser brothers no longer plan to transfer to Wisconsin"

When did they ever plan to?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NCMUFan on May 27, 2019, 04:56:48 PM
Well good luck to the Hausers.  Be interesting to see the conclusion of Sam's college career and how Joey's college career  plays out.  I believe the motivation was that they felt these moves were the best path to the NBA.  Let's see if their plan works!  In any case, GO MU!
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on May 27, 2019, 05:27:57 PM
I do not think it was ever about the number of touches.
I am assuming two things come into play here.
1. Hating to lose.
2. Blood is thicker than water.

1. The Hausers and Howard hate to lose, which is a good thing. The problem arose because each side wanted to blame the other side for losing.
2. Sam was going to take Joey's side in any situation and once Markus criticized Joey there was no going back.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 27, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
"2. Sam was going to take Joey's side in any situation and once Markus criticized Joey there was no going back."


my understanding of markus "criticism" of his baby brother was more of a team thing and motivation.  stuff that happens on teams all the time, especially from captains to freshman.  IF, this couldn't be talked through and joey thought his game was all good, then it's time to go home.  i think wojo was afraid to "man(coach) up" and tell joey to stfu, sit down and learn, i'm the captain of this ship, not your mommy and/or daddy
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 27, 2019, 06:04:52 PM
Sam doesn't want the ball.  He just wants the ball to move.  Watch SPASH, it's beautiful.

Huge miss for MU.

So he blew up his situation moving away from his parents, his girlfriend, his brother to take a 20 month game sabbatical all so he could play 30 games with a team that will remind of his high school halcyon days?

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 27, 2019, 06:07:05 PM
So he blew up his situation moving away from his parents, his girlfriend, his brother to take a 20 month game sabbatical all so he could play 30 games with a team that will remind of his high school halcyon days?

No he did all that because the MU boosters that paid him not to go to UW. Come on keep up guy
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 27, 2019, 07:09:57 PM


2. Greg Gard = Wisconsin's Hank Raymonds continues to ring true



Well done all the way around, Smitty.

Bo is a poor man's version of Al  on numerous accounts. Same with Gard vs Hank.

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on May 27, 2019, 07:25:58 PM
Greg Gard = Wisconsin's Hank Raymonds continues to ring true
Well done all the way around, Smitty.

Bo is a poor man's version of Al  on numerous accounts. Same with Gard vs Hank.


I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on May 27, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
No he did all that because the MU boosters that paid him not to go to UW. Come on keep up guy
This is funny, because it would make the Hausers ineligible. UW fans should turn the Hausers in, if they really believe this nonsense
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 27, 2019, 08:12:38 PM
So he blew up his situation moving away from his parents, his girlfriend, his brother to take a 20 month game sabbatical all so he could play 30 games with a team that will remind of his high school halcyon days?

People move away from their parents, girlfriends and brothers all the time - it's called college. Sam is a little late to the game, but the benefits (in his mind) might include a better program, a more prestigious university and a better coach who plays a style he prefers. Don't get me wrong, Lanche, I wish Sam thought ballin' for MU and Wojo  was his dream come true. But it's not, and it's not like he left us for Florida Gulf State or Rutgers.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on May 27, 2019, 08:19:32 PM
People move away from their parents, girlfriends and brothers all the time - it's called college. Sam is a little late to the game, but the benefits (in his mind) might include a better program, a more prestigious university and a better coach who plays a style he prefers. Don't get me wrong, Lanche, I wish Sam thought ballin' for MU and Wojo  was his dream come true. But it's not, and it's not like he left us for Florida Gulf State or Rutgers.
Most likely they will get a better recruit at the 4 for '20
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 27, 2019, 08:30:18 PM
Most likely they will get a better recruit at the 4 for '20

Well, if Sam rides the pines and has a miserable experience at UVA you (or any of us) saying "I told you so" will be the least of his problems. Anyway, it's his decision.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 27, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
I would take Marquette any day over Virginia.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on May 27, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
Well, if Sam rides the pines and has a miserable experience at UVA you (or any of us) saying "I told you so" will be the least of his problems. Anyway, it's his decision.
I really do not want that for him. But most likely it will happen, just the nature of the beast. Never stop recruiting, hey?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: AZMarqfan on May 27, 2019, 08:34:01 PM
 One thing people forget is that Joey was limited since he really plays the same position as Sam… Who does it better.  Yes they played alongside each other, and yes Joey is more athletic.  But Sam is a better outside shooter, ball handler, passer, post player, and defender. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 27, 2019, 08:38:36 PM
I would take Marquette any day over Virginia.

So would I. I'd also take Marquette over Duke Kentucky, Villanova and the Golden State Warriors. But let's get real. None of them want you. Or me.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 79Warrior on May 27, 2019, 09:25:22 PM
I would take Marquette any day over Virginia.

Virginia is an excellent school.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jay Bee on May 27, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
Breakups can cause people to say and do weird things...

"They didn't want to play the game right, so now we're going to watch them lose every game. That's just how it works. You don't bring a kid in and not use him the way he's supposed to be used. So this kid has left the state of Wisconsin as one of the premier players in the state."
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: cheese ball chaser on May 27, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
Have there been any official news reports on this yet? As far as I can tell most of the websites stating it as fact aren't legit..
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 28, 2019, 04:50:30 AM
Virginia is an excellent school.
So is Marquette.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 28, 2019, 05:17:02 AM
So is Marquette.

Marquette's a good school with a few excellent programs. Virginia is an excellent school
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 06:54:54 AM
Have there been any official news reports on this yet? As far as I can tell most of the websites stating it as fact aren't legit..

No, until we hear it from the Hauser's themselves, there is nothing official...that's why even the title of this thread makes me cringe. This could end up taking another crazy turn before it's all said and done. Is Sam to UVA and Joey to MSU likely?? Yes, but everyone thought they were done to UW too, and how did that end up. Let's wait until we hear something from them.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JWags85 on May 28, 2019, 07:22:34 AM
Virginia is an excellent school.

On a gorgeous campus and has been a dominant program over the last 5 years finally culminating in this year’s breakthrough.

Marquette is a fantastic school and program, but any objective non-MU affiliated outsider would side with UVA on almost all accounts. Let’s hope in a few years that’s not the case with BBall
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Marquette's a good school with a few excellent programs. Virginia is an excellent school

Both will help you get where you want to be in life. Really the rest is just semantics.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 07:45:11 AM
One thing people forget is that Joey was limited since he really plays the same position as Sam… Who does it better.  Yes they played alongside each other, and yes Joey is more athletic.  But Sam is a better outside shooter, ball handler, passer, post player, and defender. 

They play the same position but that doesn’t mean they can’t be on the floor at the same time.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: fjm on May 28, 2019, 08:03:29 AM
Sam and Joey to UW until I see an official statement.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 08:16:30 AM
Sam and Joey to UW until I see an official statement.


??? Then why even bother with message boards?  My guess is that the Howard Moore situation has lead them to not say anything publicly right now.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 08:18:17 AM
Sam and Joey to UW until I see an official statement.

That's not going to happen...with the articles that came out this weekend from Potrykus etc saying they will not be going to UW, and quotes from Trevor Anderson's dad saying as much...that's about as official as you need. No way after those articles come out, they reverse course on that decision. Now, as far as the Virginia/MSU thing?? That one might be more fluid...I mean IF that's where they are going, there is NO reason for a delay, right??
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: lawdog77 on May 28, 2019, 08:18:31 AM
Sam and Joey to UW until I see an official statement.
Maybe they are waiting.to see if the MU donor check clears.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on May 28, 2019, 08:45:28 AM
Do they need to wait to see who stays in the draft?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: CountryRoads on May 28, 2019, 08:48:46 AM
Do they need to wait to see who stays in the draft?

Deadline is tomorrow at 11:59pm so I am guessing the Hausers will decide Friday. I kind of hope they end up at the same school as an F U to potrykus and other badger media for putting out that article last weekend.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Whereisal on May 28, 2019, 09:01:15 AM
Is there any chance that Sam will come back to Marquette?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: KampusFoods on May 28, 2019, 09:02:50 AM
Is there any chance that Sam will come back to Marquette?

Nope
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 09:10:10 AM
Nope

Never say never, crazier things have happened in recruiting.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on May 28, 2019, 09:12:12 AM
Is there any chance that Sam will come back to Marquette?

Chance. The door is open.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: brewcity77 on May 28, 2019, 09:21:36 AM
Is there any chance that Sam will come back to Marquette?

It's unlikely.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: shoothoops on May 28, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
I admittedly don’t have a lot of interest in the Hauser brothers/family since they decided to leave. Nothing good, nothing bad.

Like some others, I was initially shocked and disappointed in the situation for a few days, maybe a week. And where they transfer to doesn’t really matter to me. I won’t be rooting for or against.

Some of the comparisons of Sam’s game and Joey’s game are a bit head scratching to me. One was in his 3rd season, and one his first. That’s a bit apples to oranges. And of course the teams had differences.

I suppose I’m more of a quicker turn around person of next man up, ...who is on the recruiting radar?...etc...It’s always been Marquette U for me, not Hauser U or Wojo U or? ...a few days or a week or so...
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GooooMarquette on May 28, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
Is there any chance that Sam will come back to Marquette?


According to quantum theory, yes there is a chance. There is also a chance that the huge boulder in your front yard will suddenly fly into the air and land in my front yard.

Regarding Sam, I suspect the chance isn't great.

Honestly, I don't know how I'd feel if he returned. It would certainly improve our chances on paper of being a Final Four caliber team next season, but I wonder if it would have unintended consequences in terms of team chemistry and our roster for the future. Sam's departure creates a domino effect in minutes that will affect guys like Jamal, Greg, Brendan, Ed and others, so his sudden return would change those expectations. Would one or more of those guys resent his return? Would younger players be disappointed at the sudden "loss" of those minutes and transfer?

I have no inside info on Sam or Joey's plans, but I'm ready to move on with the guys we have.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Whereisal on May 28, 2019, 09:48:37 AM
Is there any deadline that they need to meet to make their announcement?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 28, 2019, 09:52:43 AM

According to quantum theory, yes there is a chance. There is also a chance that the huge boulder in your front yard will suddenly fly into the air and land in my front yard.

Regarding Sam, I suspect the chance isn't great.

Honestly, I don't know how I'd feel if he returned. It would certainly improve our chances on paper of being a Final Four caliber team next season, but I wonder if it would have unintended consequences in terms of team chemistry and our roster for the future. Sam's departure creates a domino effect in minutes that will affect guys like Jamal, Greg, Brendan, Ed and others, so his sudden return would change those expectations. Would one or more of those guys resent his return? Would younger players be disappointed at the sudden "loss" of those minutes and transfer?

I have no inside info on Sam or Joey's plans, but I'm ready to move on with the guys we have.

Yeah, I agree.  I think it is a heathly outlook for me too.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: jnolan23 on May 28, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
Chance. The door is open.

Do we know that it is from Marquette's perspective?  Any word as to whether Wojo & Company have reached out?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 28, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Is there any deadline that they need to meet to make their announcement?

Izzo, Bennett (and Gard, LOL) may have put deadlines on their offers, but otherwise, they just need to get in before the fall semester registration ends.  August?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 28, 2019, 10:12:16 AM
Let me no wen Kate changes her mind and wants that threesome, hey?
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jay Bee on May 28, 2019, 10:24:09 AM
Is there any deadline that they need to meet to make their announcement?

~When school starts
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on May 28, 2019, 10:57:20 AM
Do we know that it is from Marquette's perspective?  Any word as to whether Wojo & Company have reached out?

Yes.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: SaveOD238 on May 28, 2019, 11:48:57 AM
Is there any chance that Sam will come back to Marquette?

I've been told Sam and Wojo had an end-of-year meeting that turned into a shouting match.

So no.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 79Warrior on May 28, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
I've been told Sam and Wojo had an end-of-year meeting that turned into a shouting match.

So no.

I have been told your story is bogus.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 28, 2019, 11:54:21 AM
Have there been any official news reports on this yet? As far as I can tell most of the websites stating it as fact aren't legit..

Nope.  And I changed the subject to reflect the unofficial status of the report.  Sam and Joey have not made official commitments - yet.

And, the last thing from Joey was retweeting Goodman as them saying "We hope to make a decision in the next few days, but a final decision hasn’t been made yet. ... and we never previously committed to Wisconsin."
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 12:05:11 PM
Nope.  And I changed the subject to reflect the unofficial status of the report.  Sam and Joey have not made official commitments - yet.

And, the last thing from Joey was retweeting Goodman as them saying "We hope to make a decision in the next few days, but a final decision hasn’t been made yet. ... and we never previously committed to Wisconsin."

Thank you Rocky...I don't know about others, but seeing the headline as being "official", made me a little squeamish.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: LloydsLegs on May 28, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
Deadline is tomorrow at 11:59pm so I am guessing the Hausers will decide Friday. I kind of hope they end up at the same school as an F U to potrykus and other badger media for putting out that article last weekend.

I know I am in the minority, but I continue to be puzzled by the criticism of the media (Polzin also). They have sources at UW who tell them that the Hausers have informed UW that they have made a decision.  If they trust those sources, even if they get a
no comment from the Hausers, they should report it IMO. If they get a denial from the Hausers, and they trust the sources, they still can report it with the denial. 

Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on May 28, 2019, 12:13:33 PM
Let me no wen Kate changes her mind and wants that threesome, hey?
I will send you the invite soon as I get it.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Lens on May 28, 2019, 12:17:00 PM
If I had to bet, I'd put the current situation at:

Joey - 90% MSU, 10% UW
Sam - 50% UVA, 40% MU, 10% UW
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 28, 2019, 12:20:09 PM
If somehow, someway Sam came back I’d dance in the street.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 28, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
Let me no wen Kate changes her mind and wants that threesome, hey?

sending her and nina over as soon as they are done over here...might be a while though ;)
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: cheebs09 on May 28, 2019, 12:43:39 PM
If I had to bet, I'd put the current situation at:

Joey - 90% MSU, 10% UW
Sam - 50% UVA, 40% MU, 10% UW

I don’t have any inside info, but that seems pretty optimistic for Sam. I’d guess UW and MU are at 10% each in the sense “stranger things have happened.” I would guess MSU is higher than MU at this point.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on May 28, 2019, 01:03:46 PM
Why do people think there is any chance Sam returns? lol
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 28, 2019, 01:04:40 PM
Why do people think there is any chance Sam returns? lol

Delusion is not fan base dependent.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
Why do people think there is any chance Sam returns? lol

Todd Mayo is coming back as well
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: forgetful on May 28, 2019, 01:05:53 PM
Why do people think there is any chance Sam returns? lol

Because there is no such thing as a zero possibility.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 01:12:28 PM
Why do people think there is any chance Sam returns? lol

Until the announces he is going elsewhere, you would think there is a small chance.  Transferring never made a ton of sense for Sam, and especially now that it seems likely he's not even going to go to the same school as Joey, what is the point?

I don't think it is likely, but it sure would seem like returning to MU us the most prudent decision from Sam's perspective, assuming the bridges were sufficiently suppressed. 

Its not like its never happened.  Certainly not to the degree of talent as with Sam, but both Juan Anderson and Jake Thomas announced transfers and came back within the last handful of seasons. 
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: mu03eng on May 28, 2019, 01:23:55 PM
I know I am in the minority, but I continue to be puzzled by the criticism of the media (Polzin also). They have sources at UW who tell them that the Hausers have informed UW that they have made a decision.  If they trust those sources, even if they get a
no comment from the Hausers, they should report it IMO. If they get a denial from the Hausers, and they trust the sources, they still can report it with the denial.

It's not what you report, it's how you report it. They just look like Bucky boot lickers in their reporting
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
Until the announces he is going elsewhere, you would think there is a small chance.  Transferring never made a ton of sense for Sam, and especially now that it seems likely he's not even going to go to the same school as Joey, what is the point?

I don't think it is likely, but it sure would seem like returning to MU us the most prudent decision from Sam's perspective, assuming the bridges were sufficiently suppressed. 

Its not like its never happened.  Certainly not to the degree of talent as with Sam, but both Juan Anderson and Jake Thomas announced transfers and came back within the last handful of seasons.
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And not only them, but others as well...Alabama this year had two players come back after entering the transfer portal this year, and the same with Wabissa Bede for Va Tech. It is by no means unprecedented. Everything else you touched on is also 100% correct...Since the boys are now (presumably) splitting up, his BEST choice and the one that makes the most sense is he return to MU. There HAS to be a reason it has taken them this long to announce a decision, right?? IF what the Badger reporters stated this weekend was factual, that Sam was going to VA and Joey to MSU, what's the delay in announcing it...UNLESS someone still isn't quite sure OR they are considering a school that is under the radar and not previously mentioned, right??
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 28, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
Until the announces he is going elsewhere, you would think there is a small chance.  Transferring never made a ton of sense for Sam, and especially now that it seems likely he's not even going to go to the same school as Joey, what is the point?

I don't think it is likely, but it sure would seem like returning to MU us the most prudent decision from Sam's perspective, assuming the bridges were sufficiently suppressed. 

Its not like its never happened.  Certainly not to the degree of talent as with Sam, but both Juan Anderson and Jake Thomas announced transfers and came back within the last handful of seasons.

Agree but then what would the morons like guru and keefe have to say??
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 01:43:09 PM
Agree but then what would the morons like guru and keefe have to say??

I'd be incredibly happy, I love Sam, and maybe just maybe it would keep you from lambasting him the way you have been...doubtful, but maybe.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 01:54:23 PM
I don't think it is likely, but it sure would seem like returning to MU us the most prudent decision from Sam's perspective...

That's not necessarily from Sam's perspective, though.  That's from an MU fan's perspective.  As the "unofficial" rumor stands, Sam is transferring to an elite school -- both in terms of current state of the basketball program and academics -- and he'll get two years there.  If Sam is thinking beyond his potential for playing professional basketball, I would think that two years at UVA would be extremely attractive.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: dgies9156 on May 28, 2019, 01:56:47 PM
That's not necessarily from Sam's perspective, though.  That's from an MU fan's perspective.  As the "unofficial" rumor stands, Sam is transferring to an elite school -- both in terms of current state of the basketball program and academics -- and he'll get two years there.  If Sam is thinking beyond his potential for playing professional basketball, I would think that two years at UVA would be extremely attractive.

How will Sam get two years at any NCAA Member Institution?

Most he gets is one!
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 02:01:09 PM
How will Sam get two years at any NCAA Member Institution?

Most he gets is one!

I think he's including his sit out year
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 28, 2019, 02:02:20 PM
How will Sam get two years at any NCAA Member Institution?

Most he gets is one!
2 years of school, one year of ball.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUfan12 on May 28, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Sam wasn't happy at MU anymore. Why is it in his best interests to return?

We need to let go of the idea that he'd return. Longest of longshots.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 28, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
I think the obvious answer is:

—He will not have to sit out a year for his final collegiate season;
—Great opportunity to make a run with a very good team;
—not have to face the unknown of playing less(potentially much less) than the 34 minutes he averaged last year;
—etch his name in Marquette history.

But, if he’s not happy then none of these points matter.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Whereisal on May 28, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
Deadline is tomorrow at 11:59pm so I am guessing the Hausers will decide Friday. I kind of hope they end up at the same school as an F U to potrykus and other badger media for putting out that article last weekend.

Where is that deadline coming from?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 02:11:02 PM
How will Sam get two years at any NCAA Member Institution?

Most he gets is one!

I'm talking education, not basketball.  He'll have two years at UVA -- one of the better schools in the country.  He could get a good start on a graduate degree if he wants.

I can understand people saying that staying at MU might be "better" from Sam's perspective if he prioritizes being eligible to play pro ball a year earlier (and if he values being an "all-time great" at his school).  But, if Sam values the education and degree, two years at UVA is a great opportunity.  And it doesn't hurt that they also play pretty good basketball there.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 02:15:04 PM
Sam wasn't happy at MU anymore. Why is it in his best interests to return?

Do we know that for a fact?  There are so many theories/stories/whatever you want to call them thrown around here, I have no idea what is actually accurate.  To be fair, I didn't follow it that closely once their intentions were announced, because it was what it was.  But its now almost two months later and we still have no clarity.  Did he simply just follow Joey?  Did he have a falling out with Markus?  Does he not get along with Wojo?  Did his parents make him do it?  Wayyyyyy too many unknowns (at least for me) to make any real determinations.  I do think its fair to conclude he wasn't thrilled with something seeing as though he stated his intention to transfer, but its bizarre to me that 6-7 weeks later we're pretty much in same same we were then.  The fact that Joey and Sam may be splitting up adds another (significant IMO) wrinkle to the story. 

That being said, I PERSONALLY feel like its in his best interest for his future basketball career to stay at MU. He comes back to MU as a 21 year old senior set to have a big season as a clear top 2 option on a top 10 team.  If he leaves and goes to UVA as projected, he sits out a year, graduates as a 23.5 year old 5 year player.  He has no idea who UVA may bring in between now and August 2020 that could compete with him for minutes.  A lot of unknowns.  Now maybe putting his best foot forward for an already longshot NBA career isn't his highest priority.  That would make some sense.  But I generally think it is safe to assume pretty much every high major college basketball player wants to do what is best for his future pro career. 
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
From an education standpoint, MU is going to serve him just as fine as UVA.

I don’t think he returns, but whatever his choice, it will be 100% based on basketball and happiness with basketball reasoning.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 28, 2019, 02:16:39 PM
I'm talking education, not basketball.  He'll have two years at UVA -- one of the better schools in the country.  He could get a good start on a graduate degree if he wants.

I can understand people saying that staying at MU might be "better" from Sam's perspective if he prioritizes being eligible to play pro ball a year earlier (and if he values being an "all-time great" at his school).  But, if Sam values the education and degree, two years at UVA is a great opportunity.  And it doesn't hurt that they also play pretty good basketball there.

You do realize the highlighted part played no role in his decision to attend UVa. 

Instead, it is a reflection of what is important to you, a non-athlete that has zero aspiration or ability to get paid as a professional athlete, and not Sam's calculus.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 02:17:10 PM
I'm talking education, not basketball.  He'll have two years at UVA -- one of the better schools in the country.  He could get a good start on a graduate degree if he wants.

I can understand people saying that staying at MU might be "better" from Sam's perspective if he prioritizes being eligible to play pro ball a year earlier (and if he values being an "all-time great" at his school).  But, if Sam values the education and degree, two years at UVA is a great opportunity.  And it doesn't hurt that they also play pretty good basketball there.

I am sorry, but to assume a player like Sam is making a decision like this based purely on academics is asinine. 

Obviously UVA is a far superior school to Marquette.  But he didn't make the decision to transfer based on the school name on his future college degree. 
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 79Warrior on May 28, 2019, 02:22:34 PM
From an education standpoint, MU is going to serve him just as fine as UVA.

I don’t think he returns, but whatever his choice, it will be 100% based on basketball and happiness with basketball reasoning.

MU is a fine school. Virginia is a level above MU.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 28, 2019, 02:24:19 PM
MU is a fine school. Virginia is a level above MU.

So did Joey made a huge mistake going to that giant community college known as MSU? (and save us the argument ... MSU is a crap school)
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 28, 2019, 02:26:55 PM
Let's say Sam did return: would that not potentially cause other players to want to leave the team?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 02:27:05 PM
Sam wasn't happy at MU anymore. Why is it in his best interests to return?

We need to let go of the idea that he'd return. Longest of longshots.

It's possible he thought when he decided to transfer that the options would be better. Or thought the visits would be better. He could have left in a "huff" without thoroughly thinking it through. It also could have had a lot more to do with Joey then him. Time CAN heal, reflection is never a bad thing. That being said, I'm 99.9% sure he ends up at UVA, which is okay...as long as it's not UW, I'm good.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 02:27:15 PM
MU is a fine school. Virginia is a level above MU.


He’s finished three years of an undergraduate education already. Will he somehow magically be smarter and more capable of making a living for himself if he finishes up at UVA?

Of course not. Ranking are almost entirely based on the qualities of the incoming student base anyway.

He’d do just as well finishing up at either place. The only advantage uva would have is a likely start toward a graduate degree because he would be there two years.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
Let's say Sam did return: would that not potentially cause other players to want to leave the team?

Not necessarily, and even IF it did...Sam is better than anyone that would consider leaving, right?? IF IF IF he were to come back, or even considered it, I am certain it would have to be voted on by the team.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 02:44:05 PM
You do realize the highlighted part played no role in his decision to attend UVa. 

Instead, it is a reflection of what is important to you, a non-athlete that has zero aspiration or ability to get paid as a professional athlete, and not Sam's calculus.

I do realize that.  Which is why I specifically said if academics was a driving factor, it's a great opportunity.

I'm not suggesting that Sam is making his decision purely on academics.  But let's not pretend that is all UVA has going for it.  I was merely responding to an initial post that said returning to MU is the "most prudent" decision for Sam.  I was pointing out that UVA has a hell of a lot going for it.  Including stellar academics.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 02:49:00 PM

He’s finished three years of an undergraduate education already. Will he somehow magically be smarter and more capable of making a living for himself if he finishes up at UVA?

Of course not. Ranking are almost entirely based on the qualities of the incoming student base anyway.

If you don't think that the name on the degree matters to a lot of people -- both in hiring and/or admitting to graduate school -- then I don't know what to tell you.  No, he won't be smarter.  But he will quite possibly be more marketable (depending upon what Sam's future plans are) which might just make him more capable of making a living.  I wouldn't necessarily call it magic.

He’d do just as well finishing up at either place. The only advantage uva would have is a likely start toward a graduate degree because he would be there two years.

That was my initial point.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 02:49:33 PM
I do realize that.  Which is why I specifically said if academics was a driving factor, it's a great opportunity.

I'm not suggesting that Sam is making his decision purely on academics.  But let's not pretend that is all UVA has going for it.  I was merely responding to an initial post that said returning to MU is the "most prudent" decision for Sam.  I was pointing out that UVA has a hell of a lot going for it.  Including stellar academics.

UVA is probably a better overall situation for most players coming out of HS or for say, a grad trasnfer.  I am not naive enough to doubt that. That being said, one place (UVA) you cannot play in a game until November 2020, the other (MU) you can continue on playing on a top 10 team, get your degree and be cashing a paycheck playing basketball before you'd even step foot on a court in a real game at UVA. 

That is why coming back to MU is the most prudent if Sam decided to leave for reasons such as a) following Joey; b) upset with Markus over Joey related things; c) parents are upset with Wojo over lack of Joey getting involved, d) parents are upset with Wojo over lack of reigning in his All American.  If Sam and Joey aren't even going to transfer to the same place, why exactly is Sam leaving again? 
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
If you don't think that the name on the degree matters to a lot of people -- both in hiring and/or admitting to graduate school -- then I don't know what to tell you.  No, he won't be smarter.  But he will quite possibly be more marketable (depending upon what Sam's future plans are) which might just make him more capable of making a living.  I wouldn't necessarily call it magic.

That was my initial point.

Sam won't be applying for investment banking jobs on Wall Street upon graduation.  The name on his degree is fairly meaningless.  By the time he would theoretically be looking for a job he'd need to apply for, he'd likely be in his late 20's at the earliest and the name on his undergrad degree is pretty much meaningless at that point. 
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 28, 2019, 02:56:40 PM
UVA is probably a better overall situation for most players coming out of HS or for say, a grad trasnfer.  I am not naive enough to doubt that. That being said, one place (UVA) you cannot play in a game until November 2020, the other (MU) you can continue on playing on a top 10 team, get your degree and be cashing a paycheck playing basketball before you'd even step foot on a court in a real game at UVA. 

That is why coming back to MU is the most prudent if Sam decided to leave for reasons such as a) following Joey; b) upset with Markus over Joey related things; c) parents are upset with Wojo over lack of Joey getting involved, d) parents are upset with Wojo over lack of reigning in his All American.  If Sam and Joey aren't even going to transfer to the same place, why exactly is Sam leaving again?
What has changed with d) that would make Sam want to return?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 02:58:31 PM
hat being said, I PERSONALLY feel like its in his best interest for his future basketball career to stay at MU. He comes back to MU as a 21 year old senior set to have a big season as a clear top 2 option on a top 10 team.  If he leaves and goes to UVA as projected, he sits out a year, graduates as a 23.5 year old 5 year player.  He has no idea who UVA may bring in between now and August 2020 that could compete with him for minutes.  A lot of unknowns.  Now maybe putting his best foot forward for an already longshot NBA career isn't his highest priority.  That would make some sense.  But I generally think it is safe to assume pretty much every high major college basketball player wants to do what is best for his future pro career.

I agree with you on this.  And while it is generally safe to assume that, Sam's current actions suggest that this isn't necessarily the case.  I think that if basketball -- specifically preparing for a shot at the NBA -- is Sam's number one priority, transferring is a bad decision.  But, it appears that Sam is transferring.  To a school where it's quite possible he'll get recruited over.  That makes me think that perhaps preparing for "an already longshot NBA career" might not be his number one priority.  Or, like many kids his age, he thinks he can overcome those disadvantages.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: jnolan23 on May 28, 2019, 02:58:41 PM
Announcement coming in the next few minutes via social media according to Evan Flood.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 03:02:35 PM
What has changed with d) that would make Sam want to return?

Probably nothing.  Just throwing out some of the theories that have been floated here as possible reasons he left.  I have no f'ing clue what the actual reason is. 
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 03:02:43 PM
I do realize that.  Which is why I specifically said if academics was a driving factor, it's a great opportunity.

I'm not suggesting that Sam is making his decision purely on academics.  But let's not pretend that is all UVA has going for it.  I was merely responding to an initial post that said returning to MU is the "most prudent" decision for Sam.  I was pointing out that UVA has a hell of a lot going for it.  Including stellar academics.

SAW, not sure why you are getting so much blowback on what you said earlier, which is 100% accurate.

You never suggested that Sam made his decision on academics. You said the academic part of it could be another reason why Virginia will have ended up being a better choice. If he gets his undergrad degree and gets more than halfway to a grad degree from Virginia, it can't help but be good for him academically.

Now, will this be the smartest basketball choice for him? Opting to play basketball at Virginia, the defending national champs and a program run by one of the most successful coaches in the country, probably won't hurt his development as a player ... but we won't know for certain for a couple years if this was his best basketball choice, especially how being a year older when he leaves school affects his pro chances.

I do get a kick out of those professing to know what's going on in Sam's mind.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 03:03:04 PM
Probably nothing.  Just throwing out some of the theories that have been floated here as possible reasons he left.  I have no f'ing clue what the actual reason is.

Maybe he was looking for a better academic school.   ;)
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: jnolan23 on May 28, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Joey to MSU - Officially.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 03:04:08 PM
You do realize the highlighted part played no role in his decision to attend UVa. 

None? Zero percent? How do you know? Did you personally talk to Sam about his reasons?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: jnolan23 on May 28, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
Sam to Virginia - also officially.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 03:04:40 PM
Confirmed via twitter, FYI.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Marquette4life on May 28, 2019, 03:05:19 PM
official
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 28, 2019, 03:06:10 PM
Evan Daniels confirmed on Twitter.
Title: Re: Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 03:06:35 PM
I know I am in the minority, but I continue to be puzzled by the criticism of the media (Polzin also). They have sources at UW who tell them that the Hausers have informed UW that they have made a decision.  If they trust those sources, even if they get a
no comment from the Hausers, they should report it IMO. If they get a denial from the Hausers, and they trust the sources, they still can report it with the denial.

This. Of course.

After reading Polzin's article, I was 99% certain that it was 99% accurate.

Every once in a blue moon these things will blow up, but it's pretty rare that a mainstream daily newspaper will run a well-sourced article from one of the reporters they trust without it actually happening.

And now we see that he was 100% correct. Of course.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: LoudMouth on May 28, 2019, 03:09:37 PM
Relatively annoying that both of them use cookie cutter responses rather than actually writing something for themselves. I am picturing Sam writing something out and joey just looking over his shoulder to write the same thing
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 28, 2019, 03:11:43 PM

I do get a kick out of those professing to know what's going on in Sam's mind.
I do as well. Like those telling us over and over that the Bros were going to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: LoudMouth on May 28, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Big_Smooth10/status/1133463633936166912
https://twitter.com/jjhouz24/status/1133463644258357249
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 28, 2019, 03:13:09 PM
I do get a kick out of those professing to know what's going on in Sam's mind.

FWIW - I was not professing to know what is going on in Sam's mind.  I have no idea and have said as much.  I've pretty much avoided discussing it on here since it first happened.  Just was starting to feel like the delay meant something.  And perhaps with the news today (well technically this past weekend, but confirmed today), the reason for the delay was UVA didn't want both Sam and Joey. 

Anyways, is what it is now.  Sorta kinda will be rooting against Joey from now on.  Too big of a fan of Sam to root against him, but will definitely be happy to say I told ya so if he finds himself playing alot less minutes than he'd like.  But I don't suspect that will be the case.  The kid is good and will likely be a major part of whatever UVA is going in 20-21.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 28, 2019, 03:13:29 PM
Relatively annoying that both of them use cookie cutter responses rather than actually writing something for themselves. I am picturing Sam writing something out and joey just looking over his shoulder to write the same thing
Nah, smart.  Why pour gasoline on the fire?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Lens on May 28, 2019, 03:17:54 PM
Joey Hauser has now for the 2nd time picked an absolutely hated Badger hoops rival in a recruitment for his services. 

When do we retire his number?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2019, 03:19:29 PM
Good luck to both.  Time to focus on the guys in Milwaukee busting their asses to win some games
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
FWIW - I was not professing to know what is going on in Sam's mind.  I have no idea and have said as much.  I've pretty much avoided discussing it on here since it first happened.  Just was starting to feel like the delay meant something.  And perhaps with the news today (well technically this past weekend, but confirmed today), the reason for the delay was UVA didn't want both Sam and Joey. 

Anyways, is what it is now.  Sorta kinda will be rooting against Joey from now on.  Too big of a fan of Sam to root against him, but will definitely be happy to say I told ya so if he finds himself playing alot less minutes than he'd like.  But I don't suspect that will be the case.  The kid is good and will likely be a major part of whatever UVA is going in 20-21.

All reasonable, JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ, and mirrors most of my feelings too.

Good luck to both.  Time to focus on the guys in Milwaukee busting their asses to win some games

This. I care about the Warriors who chose to remain Warriors instead of run away from being Warriors.

We are Marquette!

(But still ... I can't help but laugh my arse off at F%cky missing on these guys TWICE. Effen hilarious.)
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: LoudMouth on May 28, 2019, 03:23:48 PM
Anyways, is what it is now.  Sorta kinda will be rooting against Joey from now on.  Too big of a fan of Sam to root against him, but will definitely be happy to say I told ya so if he finds himself playing alot less minutes than he'd like.  But I don't suspect that will be the case.  The kid is good and will likely be a major part of whatever UVA is going in 20-21.

Agreed...I would be pretty okay with Joey getting less minutes and continuing his cold streak. I will continue to cheer for Sam but probably not for UVA as a team
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 28, 2019, 03:37:26 PM
I'd be incredibly happy, I love Sam, and maybe just maybe it would keep you from lambasting him the way you have been...doubtful, but maybe.

I will lambast someone for leaving, if he doesnt leave then no need to lambaste.  Simple logic guru
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 03:37:51 PM
Sam wasn't happy at MU anymore. Why is it in his best interests to return?


Exactly. People here can't fathom how Sam could sit out a year and maybe be recruited over when he could stay and star on a really good team. But this wasn't some recruiting battle with UVA. It was a decision with 2 components. First, Sam decided he wanted out of MU. Once that decision was reached he was left to choose from decidedly imperfect options. He doesn't want to sit out a year, but it's something he has to do in order to leave Marquette.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: dajudge on May 28, 2019, 03:46:09 PM
Exactly. People here can't fathom how Sam could sit out a year and maybe be recruited over when he could stay and star on a really good team. But this wasn't some recruiting battle with UVA. It was a decision with 2 components. First, Sam decided he wanted out of MU. Once that decision was reached he was left to choose from decidedly imperfect options. He doesn't want to sit out a year, but it's something he has to do in order to leave Marquette.
It’s official according to js
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 28, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
I do realize that.  Which is why I specifically said if academics was a driving factor, it's a great opportunity.

I'm not suggesting that Sam is making his decision purely on academics.  But let's not pretend that is all UVA has going for it.  I was merely responding to an initial post that said returning to MU is the "most prudent" decision for Sam.  I was pointing out that UVA has a hell of a lot going for it.  Including stellar academics.

If academics really matter ... Amaker at Harvard would fall over himself to get Sam and/or Joey.  Why waste your time with a public school?  Go to Harvard.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 03:57:04 PM
If you don't think that the name on the degree matters to a lot of people -- both in hiring and/or admitting to graduate school -- then I don't know what to tell you.  No, he won't be smarter.  But he will quite possibly be more marketable (depending upon what Sam's future plans are) which might just make him more capable of making a living.  I wouldn't necessarily call it magic.

That was my initial point.

I have no idea where anyone who works for me went to college unless they bring it up. And I’ve hired all of them.

Completely overrated nonsense.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2019, 04:03:17 PM
I have no idea where anyone who works for me went to college unless they bring it up. And I’ve hired all of them.

Completely overrated nonsense.

on the East Coast, there are strong alumni networks, especially on Wall Street.  The strongest are those who went to the prestigious prep schools then to an Ivy. Athletes from schools with these networks also vault ahead of other alumni. That said, I don't think Sam is choosing UVA for their vast alumni network, he's choosing UVA because he believes Tony Bennett will get him a professional contract and championship rings.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 04:03:32 PM
If academics really matter ... Amaker at Harvard would fall over himself to get Sam and/or Joey.  Why waste your time with a public school?  Go to Harvard.

I would take UVA for free over Harvard any day of the week.  Also, Harvard is not the defending national champion.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 04:03:49 PM
on the East Coast, there are strong alumni networks, especially on Wall Street.  The strongest are those who went to the prestigious prep schools then to an Ivy. Athletes from schools with these networks also vault ahead of other alumni. That said, I don't think Sam is choosing UVA for their vast alumni network, he's choosing UVA because he believes Tony Bennett will get him a professional contract and championship rings.


Sure if he wants to work on Wall Street those connections may help. But that really doesn’t have much to do with the quality of the education received.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
I have no idea where anyone who works for me went to college unless they bring it up. And I’ve hired all of them.

Completely overrated nonsense.

To you, maybe. And that is actually great. However, you’re not necessarily typical.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 28, 2019, 04:07:04 PM
Reported on ESPN.


Well, bummed they aren't coming to play at MU as Badgers.  I wish them both well.  Still odd to me.  Somelike like Sam will play for one year for a team.  Sure, some at Uva will remember one year players like we do here from time to time, but never quite the legacy that multi year players are remembered. 

Movin' on.  Good luck Sam and Joey.  Glad Brad isn't there to punch Joey daily in practice. 

As far as schools go, networking means a lot.  Whether some of these schools that are rated highly because of graduate research $$$, and TA's teaching undergrads are better than a school dedicated mostly to undergraduates....who knows.  Thankfully at my age it doesn't matter a damn.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 04:29:45 PM
I will lambast someone for leaving, if he doesnt leave then no need to lambaste.  Simple logic guru

Except you lambasted Luke Fischer constantly, while he was a current player. So that goes against your "simple logic".
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 28, 2019, 04:30:43 PM
Agree but then what would the morons like guru and keefe have to say??
What would they say? Haha this is gold coming from you lmao
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 04:31:47 PM
Except you lambasted Luke Fischer constantly, while he was a current player. So that goes against your "simple logic".

Didn't he also frequently lambast Sacar Anim? Guy's a serial lambaster.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 28, 2019, 04:35:44 PM
Relatively annoying that both of them use cookie cutter responses rather than actually writing something for themselves. I am picturing Sam writing something out and joey just looking over his shoulder to write the same thing
Annoying? The fact they both stiffed UW is the best thing that’s happened this offseason!!
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MomofMUltiples on May 28, 2019, 04:38:35 PM
Relatively annoying that both of them use cookie cutter responses rather than actually writing something for themselves. I am picturing Sam writing something out and joey just looking over his shoulder to write the same thing

Or maybe their parents wrote it...
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2019, 04:46:12 PM
Serious question here.  Were there ever any rumblings of the parents being an issue?  I knew we heard second hand the boys didn’t want to play with Tyler Herro but did we legit hear anything about mom and dad sticking their noses into team business?

I ask because mom is being blamed for them not going to Wisconsin-Madison.  It seems laughable to me but who knows.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MomofMUltiples on May 28, 2019, 04:50:05 PM
Clearly there was an issue with touches, but I also wonder whether Sam was not able to reconcile his roles as captain and Joey’s brother.  In the end, he burned too many bridges to come back to MU. Apparently fans also burned bridges on his Twitter feed. Now he is probably getting all that and worse from badger fans.

In the end it may have been school preferences that split the boys, but it could also be that Sam couldn’t see himself being a leader AND looking out for his brother. A total shame, but glad it’s over.  On to recruiting and preparing for next season!
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 28, 2019, 05:02:21 PM
Serious question here.  Were there ever any rumblings of the parents being an issue?  I knew we heard second hand the boys didn’t want to play with Tyler Herro but did we legit hear anything about mom and dad sticking their noses into team business?

I ask because mom is being blamed for them not going to Wisconsin-Madison.  It seems laughable to me but who knows.
No
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: pbiflyer on May 28, 2019, 05:13:33 PM
Why is no one talking about what really happened with Sam?
He was all set to return to Marquette until a Bucky booster stepped in and paid him not to come back. It’s obvious.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: pbiflyer on May 28, 2019, 05:16:53 PM
Serious question here.  Were there ever any rumblings of the parents being an issue?  I knew we heard second hand the boys didn’t want to play with Tyler Herro but did we legit hear anything about mom and dad sticking their noses into team business?

I ask because mom is being blamed for them not going to Wisconsin-Madison.  It seems laughable to me but who knows.

It sort of is mom’s fault they didn’t go to Madison. She taught her kids to be decent human beings.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 28, 2019, 05:22:50 PM
I think mom is getting too much blame here. I think the question was how much they wanted to be together, which meant UW, or how much they wanted to be at their respective dream schools.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 06:07:53 PM
Didn't he also frequently lambast Sacar Anim? Guy's a serial lambaster.

Went after Morrow not long ago, too. Consider the source.

Why is no one talking about what really happened with Sam?
He was all set to return to Marquette until a Bucky booster stepped in and paid him not to come back. It’s obvious.

Made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 28, 2019, 06:14:15 PM
Went after Morrow not long ago, too. Consider the source.

Made me chuckle.

Went after Morrow?
82 u are so full of crap.  The number of words in ur logerrhea filled posts dont make them any more valid. 
Ur a blowhard and wrong more often then right. 
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Not A Serious Person on May 28, 2019, 06:29:14 PM
I would take UVA for free over Harvard any day of the week.  Also, Harvard is not the defending national champion.

You just invalidated yourself from commenting on academics.

And unless UVa wins again next year, Sam will not play for the defending Champs.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 28, 2019, 06:32:13 PM
Went after Morrow?
82 u are so full of crap.  The number of words in ur logerrhea filled posts dont make them any more valid. 
Ur a blowhard and wrong more often then right.

It's not the obsessive tirades against Luke but still could be considered going after him 

Team is short on talent
Why we force the ball to morrow and theo who absolutely suck and dont post Sam is beyond me
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 06:34:27 PM
It's not the obsessive tirades against Luke but still could be considered going after him

Thanks, Galway. I forgot about his attack on Theo, too.

Obviously, MSK is a liar as well as a boor.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: lawdog77 on May 28, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
Went after Morrow not long ago, too. Consider the source.

Made me chuckle.
my source finally told me about the silent verbal. While Sam was visiting Madison late at night, he was heard screaming "I'm COMING!" through the walls of his girlfriends apartment. Apparently it's not what the Badgerfans thought.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: StillAWarrior on May 28, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
You just invalidated yourself from commenting on academics.

And unless UVa wins again next year, Sam will not play for the defending Champs.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion. I would absolutely take UVA for free over Harvard for $70k per year. That’s an easy decision. If both were free, I’d take Harvard. Another easy decision.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 28, 2019, 07:09:21 PM
In the JS article from Potrykus today, he doubles down on the two sources (Trevor Anderson and his dad?) who said the Hausers were coming to UW and practically paints Sam and Joey as heels for not doing so.  What a dope.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
In the JS article from Potrykus today, he doubles down on the two sources (Trevor Anderson and his dad?) who said the Hausers were coming to UW and practically paints Sam and Joey as heels for not doing so.  What a dope.

Let’s see what Jeff says on the message boards
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 28, 2019, 07:16:06 PM
Savor the Potrykus tears.

Do the official decisions of the Hausers hurt Marquette or Wisconsin more?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 28, 2019, 07:26:52 PM

That said, I don't think Sam is choosing UVA for their vast alumni network, he's choosing UVA because he believes Tony Bennett will get him a professional contract and championship rings.


The ONLY thing that will determine whether Sam gets a pro contract is his athletic ability. Period!! Bennett has nothing to do with that.

Sam has the necessary basketball skills and size to play in the NBA already. But, is he athletic enough? My guess is no.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on May 28, 2019, 07:32:51 PM
Sam is a much better player than Bennett was.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 28, 2019, 07:40:19 PM

The ONLY thing that will determine whether Sam gets a pro contract is his athletic ability. Period!! Bennett has nothing to do with that.

Sam has the necessary basketball skills and size to play in the NBA already. But, is he athletic enough? My guess is no.


I dunno. Wee always herd dat Crean had NBA connections and such, hey?
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2019, 07:54:02 PM

The ONLY thing that will determine whether Sam gets a pro contract is his athletic ability. Period!! Bennett has nothing to do with that.

Sam has the necessary basketball skills and size to play in the NBA already. But, is he athletic enough? My guess is no.

perhaps he believes Tony will develop his skills and abilities best and he’ll be in a system to better showcase them to help him stand out to scouts.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Savor the Potrykus tears.

Do the official decisions of the Hausers hurt Marquette or Wisconsin more?

Those who insist you can't lose what you never had will say we're the big losers and UW lost nothing.

I think it's much worse for us but they lost big too.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 28, 2019, 08:01:41 PM
Marquette will be fine next season.  Getting dissed by the Hausers twice could ultimately cost Gard his job unless he starts landing some recruits.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Warrior2008 on May 28, 2019, 08:03:12 PM
Serious question here.  Were there ever any rumblings of the parents being an issue?  I knew we heard second hand the boys didn’t want to play with Tyler Herro but did we legit hear anything about mom and dad sticking their noses into team business?

I ask because mom is being blamed for them not going to Wisconsin-Madison.  It seems laughable to me but who knows.

No, but Badger fans always complain about family members so take it with a grain of salt. It’s either Tyler Herro’s Dad, Wes Matthews’ Mom, Jamil Wilson’s Dad, and in Vanders case it was a bunch of people. At this point it’s second nature to them.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 08:06:36 PM

The ONLY thing that will determine whether Sam gets a pro contract is his athletic ability. Period!! Bennett has nothing to do with that.

Sam has the necessary basketball skills and size to play in the NBA already. But, is he athletic enough? My guess is no.

You think Wesley Mathews has a long NBA career if Crean sticks around? I know he doesn't.

I think Buzz put guys who looked border line (or worse) into the league.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: wadesworld on May 28, 2019, 08:18:48 PM
You think Wesley Mathews has a long NBA career if Crean sticks around? I know he doesn't.

I think Buzz put guys who looked border line (or worse) into the league.

Wes stuck out so much he went undrafted.

Buzz developed Wes some. He did not take Wes from having no chance whatsoever to stick in the NBA to having a decade long plus career. If Buzz can take a guy from no chance at a long NBA career to borderline NBA All Star in the NBA in one year he should be an NBA head coach.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: jutaw22mu on May 28, 2019, 08:27:31 PM
my source finally told me about the silent verbal. While Sam was visiting Madison late at night, he was heard screaming "I'm COMING!" through the walls of his girlfriends apartment. Apparently it's not what the Badgerfans thought.

Come on.  Not funny.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Nukem2 on May 28, 2019, 08:39:17 PM
Wes stuck out so much he went undrafted.

Buzz developed Wes some. He did not take Wes from having no chance whatsoever to stick in the NBA to having a decade long plus career. If Buzz can take a guy from no chance at a long NBA career to borderline NBA All Star in the NBA in one year he should be an NBA head coach.
Whatever improvement Wes had in that one year was far more about Dale Layer than about Buzz.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Wes stuck out so much he went undrafted.

Buzz developed Wes some. He did not take Wes from having no chance whatsoever to stick in the NBA to having a decade long plus career. If Buzz can take a guy from no chance at a long NBA career to borderline NBA All Star in the NBA in one year he should be an NBA head coach.

Agree that Wes got what he got totally on his own but does he even get a chance without the break out senior year?

Buycks, JFB and Jae all got much more out of their post college careers than could have been predicted. One constant of Buzz coached guys? Toughness. Tons of talent in the NBA - toughness can be the tiebreaker.

Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on May 28, 2019, 08:48:27 PM
In the JS article from Potrykus today, he doubles down on the two sources (Trevor Anderson and his dad?) who said the Hausers were coming to UW and practically paints Sam and Joey as heels for not doing so.  What a dope.
Which is why he (and Oates, et al) are mocked for their "journalism".  They are incessant homers who feed the ridiculous "silent verbal" crap and then pile on to the kids and their parents when it turns out their expectations were based on nothing more than wet dreams.  They are fan boys first, not journalists.

Then you have the Eric the Red clown who is simply a bitter, angry old man that spews the same dopey narratives for the delusional rodent message board masses.  He's sort of like their version of Sand Knit, though I'll admit that Eric can actually spell.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 28, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
Which is why he (and Oates, et al) are mocked for their "journalism".  They are incessant homers who feed the ridiculous "silent verbal" crap and then pile on to the kids and their parents when it turns out their expectations were based on nothing more than wet dreams.  They are fan boys first, not journalists.

Then you have the Eric the Red clown who is simply a bitter, angry old man that spews the same dopey narratives for the delusional rodent message board masses.  He's sort of like their version of Sand Knit, though I'll admit that Eric can actually spell.

Yeah, Eric the Red is a real piece of work.  I was reading their board after they lost to Purdue earlier this year and he called Haarms “the biggest c*** in college basketball” and wasn’t even chastised by other posters, much less given a break by the mods.  Totally classless.  Well, he can strap this Hauser news to his sore ass.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Benny B on May 28, 2019, 09:03:33 PM
Relatively annoying that both of them use cookie cutter responses rather than actually writing something for themselves. I am picturing Sam writing something out and joey just looking over his shoulder to write the same thing

What are the chances that it’s the schools who add as a condition of their release (or whatever) that their PR dept. gets to write the “official” announcement?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
Yeah, Eric the Red is a real piece of work.  I was reading their board after they lost to Purdue earlier this year and he called Haarms “the biggest c*** in college basketball” and wasn’t even chastised by other posters, much less given a break by the mods.  Totally classless.  Well, he can strap this Hauser news to his sore ass.

He is the same tool that was GUARANTEEING Joey was going to commit to UW the first time...His "my 10 things" after every game are a "can't miss" whine fest about the officiating, or someone from the other team. ESPECIALLY after they play MU every year. For some reason he has somewhat of a "cult" following on the UW boards. They think he's an insider...but he has no good, reliable sources. Yet, he makes them believe he does. There isn't a more arrogant, pompous SOB on any message board, anywhere..and that's being honest. I have no idea how his wife and kids love him.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on May 28, 2019, 09:44:12 PM
There isn't a more arrogant, pompous SOB on any message board, anywhere..and that's being honest. I have no idea how his wife and kids love him.

Chicos, Lenny and Keefe would like a word.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 09:49:08 PM
Chicos, Lenny and Keefe would like a word.

Honestly sorry you feel that way.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: muguru on May 28, 2019, 09:50:02 PM
Chicos, Lenny and Keefe would like a word.

Okay, they might run neck and neck...I will give you that one.

Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 09:53:34 PM
Honestly sorry you feel that way.

Me too, Lenny. Very unfair shot at a very good Scooper.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 28, 2019, 09:55:24 PM
Me too, Lenny. Very unfair shot at a very good Scooper.

I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on May 28, 2019, 10:06:30 PM
Honestly sorry you feel that way.

Nah, I threw you in as a joke. Missed the mark, my bad.

Was debating between Lennys or MU82...
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUDPT on May 28, 2019, 10:11:03 PM
In the JS article from Potrykus today, he doubles down on the two sources (Trevor Anderson and his dad?) who said the Hausers were coming to UW and practically paints Sam and Joey as heels for not doing so.  What a dope.

I question how much of a source Trev is.  I know they are close, but he also retweeted the transfer from MU with the "eyes" emoji as if he was surprised by it.  You would think he would have known before then.

Living in Madison, most people don't really care about basketball, just a distraction between football seasons.  Most of these "sources" were probably old dudes from the Mendota Gridiron Club (RIP), who only thought they were coming because they were white and from Wisconsin.  And then it got passed around as the truth. 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2019, 10:30:07 PM
Nah, I threw you in as a joke. Missed the mark, my bad.

Was debating between Lennys or MU82...

Outraged!
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 28, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
You think Wesley Mathews has a long NBA career if Crean sticks around? I know he doesn't.

I think Buzz put guys who looked border line (or worse) into the league.

You know nothing of the kind.  You can’t prove that, it is mere speculation on your part.  Didn’t Crean help put a 3 star 150th ranked Oladipo in the league?  We can play this game all day if you wish, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  The fact that Travis Diener was in the pros is enough to boggle the minds of most considering what he was as a high school recruit at that size.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 10:37:00 PM
Nah, I threw you in as a joke. Missed the mark, my bad.

Was debating between Lennys or MU82...

No worries - I'm a fan - think your stuff is often funny and/or insightful. Unwritten law of comedy is the rule of threes.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 10:38:58 PM
You know nothing of the kind.  You can’t prove that, it is mere speculation on your part.  Didn’t Crean help put a 3 star 150th ranked Oladipo in the league?  We can play this game all day if you wish, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  The fact that Travis Diener are the pros is enough to boggle the mods of both when he was a high school recruit at that size.

Easy, big fella.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 28, 2019, 10:39:39 PM
Agree that Wes got what he got totally on his own but does he even get a chance without the break out senior year?

Buycks, JFB and Jae all got much more out of their post college careers than could have been predicted. One constant of Buzz coached guys? Toughness. Tons of talent in the NBA - toughness can be the tiebreaker.

Butler was a Kentucky offer, most Kentucky kids that receive offers do so because they have a lot of talent. 

Toughness was a constant?  Every Buzz recruit was tough, thus a constant?  Nope
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 11:02:07 PM
Butler was a Kentucky offer, most Kentucky kids that receive offers do so because they have a lot of talent. 

Toughness was a constant?  Every Buzz recruit was tough, thus a constant?  Nope

Wow. Buzz was beating out Kentucky for recruits? Must be why he was so much more successful at MU than anyone not named Al! Thanks for reinforcing that point!
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on May 28, 2019, 11:04:20 PM
Wow. Buzz was beating out Kentucky for recruits? Must be why he was so much more successful at MU than anyone not named Al! Thanks for reinforcing that point!

Yup, Buzz was beating out one of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history......of course for a long time you refused to acknowledge Butler was offers by Kentucky, instead relying on the littlest acorn story that Buzz molded him into the giant oak.......tell me about the Final Four Buzz reached....must be missing.  Maybe he just wasn’t lucky enough in the crapshoot. 

Maybe Todd Mayo knows.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2019, 11:35:55 PM
Yup, Buzz was beating out one of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history......of course for a long time you refused to acknowledge Butler was offers by Kentucky, instead relying on the littlest acorn story that Buzz molded him into the giant oak.......tell me about the Final Four Buzz reached....must be missing.  Maybe he just wasn’t lucky enough in the crapshoot. 

Maybe Todd Mayo knows.

Off the meds, again. Where's Fluffy?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUfan12 on May 28, 2019, 11:47:38 PM
I think it's much worse for us but they lost big too.

Short term, us. Long term, them. Gard put all his recruiting eggs in that basket and came up empty.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 29, 2019, 02:08:33 AM
Sam is a much better player than Bennett was.

He’s better. He’s not “much” better. Let’s see what kind of career he puts together first.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: cheebs09 on May 29, 2019, 05:14:07 AM
Yup, Buzz was beating out one of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history......of course for a long time you refused to acknowledge Butler was offers by Kentucky, instead relying on the littlest acorn story that Buzz molded him into the giant oak.......tell me about the Final Four Buzz reached....must be missing.  Maybe he just wasn’t lucky enough in the crapshoot. 

Maybe Todd Mayo knows.

Let’s be clear though, he was offered by Kentucky in the Billy Gillespie era. That’s different than the current Kentucky.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 29, 2019, 05:19:06 AM
Those who insist you can't lose what you never had will say we're the big losers and UW lost nothing.

I think it's much worse for us but they lost big too.

Joe Wolf and Ricky Olson say hello.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 29, 2019, 07:43:33 AM
Those who insist you can't lose what you never had will say we're the big losers and UW lost nothing.

I think it's much worse for us but they lost big too.

I also think the actual loss for us is worse -- because we had Sam playing great for us and a potentially fine player in Joey on our team -- but F%ckyville sustained a soul-crushing loss.

They could have had Sam originally but blew it because Bo strung him along. If they hadn't blown it, they almost surely would have had Joey, too. Instead, they let both go to their in-state rival. Now, unbelievably, they get a major, major gift: another shot at both of them. And it would seem even more of a no-brainer: grew up nearby, wanting to be rodents; Mom and Dad want to watch every game; close friends on the team; guaranteed starring roles; etc. But in the end, F%cky again has no Hausers on the team, with the younger one (who has more eligibility remaining) going to the best team in their conference. Just as stringing along Sam was ended up being a major indictment of Bo, this situation is a major indictment of Gard's ability to recruit.

For F%cky, it's about as devastating a recruiting hit as can be suffered by a team that never got a commitment from the athletes they "lost."

For us, it's a real loss, and I'm glad you recognize how much worse that is, Lenny.

I plan this to be my last comment on the "loss" topic in this thread. We need not subject others to our friendly discussion on it again. Would be happy to have a PM chat if you want, though that probably isn't necessary, either.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: lawdog77 on May 29, 2019, 07:51:21 AM
I also think the actual loss for us is worse -- because we had Sam playing great for us and a potentially fine player in Joey on our team -- but F%ckyville sustained a soul-crushing loss.

They could have had Sam originally but blew it because Bo strung him along. If they hadn't blown it, they almost surely would have had Joey, too. Instead, they let both go to their in-state rival. Now, unbelievably, they get a major, major gift: another shot at both of them. And it would seem even more of a no-brainer: grew up nearby, wanting to be rodents; Mom and Dad want to watch every game; close friends on the team; guaranteed starring roles; etc. But in the end, F%cky again has no Hausers on the team, with the younger one (who has more eligibility remaining) going to the best team in their conference. Just as stringing along Sam was ended up being a major indictment of Bo, this situation is a major indictment of Gard's ability to recruit.

For F%cky, it's about as devastating a recruiting hit as can be suffered by a team that never got a commitment from the athletes they "lost."

For us, it's a real loss, and I'm glad you recognize how much worse that is, Lenny.

I plan this to be my last comment on the "loss" topic in this thread. We need not subject others to our friendly discussion on it again. Would be happy to have a PM chat if you want, though that probably isn't necessary, either.
Not that I care, but a hypothetical. Would Sam and Joey been upset at Ethan Happ's high usage rate? Markus was 5th highest, but Happ was not far behind at number 14.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on May 29, 2019, 08:14:47 AM
Joe Wolf and Ricky Olson say hello.
...and Sam Okey said goodbye too.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 29, 2019, 09:08:19 AM
So, in the end, the Hausers united the Marquette community by reminding us that Wisconsin is the true enemy and giving us one more reason to mock the Badgers.    Thanks, Sam and Joey. 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: mileskishnish72 on May 29, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
I don't understand, with all the back and forth on this thread regarding so many different issues, how there could have been 338 replies on this topic without anyone asserting that Crean sucks.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 29, 2019, 09:29:15 AM
https://twitter.com/big_smooth10/status/1133729726235906049?s=21

Sam denying the whole 'silent verbal' thing.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: connie on May 29, 2019, 09:29:49 AM
I don't understand, with all the back and forth on this thread regarding so many different issues, how there could have been 338 replies on this topic without anyone asserting that Crean sucks.
So, Scoop is evolving?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Warrior2008 on May 29, 2019, 09:38:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Jalen_J23/status/1133579426191613952

Not to mention that Jalen Johnson is taking note of Badger fans torching the Hausers on social media. 

There's a lesson here for fans of all teams, don't light up a player's or their family's social media accounts.  You look like a grade A idiot and hurt the team you care about in the process.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 29, 2019, 09:46:27 AM
Yup, Buzz was beating out one of the dirtiest programs in NCAA history......of course for a long time you refused to acknowledge Butler was offers by Kentucky, instead relying on the littlest acorn story that Buzz molded him into the giant oak.......tell me about the Final Four Buzz reached....must be missing.  Maybe he just wasn’t lucky enough in the crapshoot. 

Maybe Todd Mayo knows.

woof, I think Lenny may have hit way to close to home.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: brewcity77 on May 29, 2019, 09:55:34 AM
I also think the actual loss for us is worse -- because we had Sam playing great for us and a potentially fine player in Joey on our team -- but F%ckyville sustained a soul-crushing loss.

Agree with all of it, but definitely a loss for both. I think the difference is that while it's tangibly a bigger loss for us because it's two starters, we at least seem to have players in place to take those minutes & already filled a scholarship for the coming year (Jayce) that will at the least help cover the minutes Joey would've provided by filling minutes JH would've played at the 5 and allowing Ed to slide to the 4, replacing more of JH's minutes effectively.

For Wisconsin, that also would've been 2 starters that, at least from a fan perspective, they see themselves as losing. Hard to imagine Aleem Ford or Nate Reuvers matches the level of efficiency & production either Hauser would've given. I also think it's a big blow that, when the Hausers stated they wanted to stay together, it was more appealing to split up and go to different out of state schools than it was to stay home together. That to me is a clear indicator that, while Wisconsin was on the list & received a visit, they were never really a serious option.

Both from an on-court and from a morale standpoint around Greg Gard, this is really bad news for them. In addition, while their 2017 recruiting class was solid, since then Gard has zero 4-star commits in 2018, 2019, or 2020 and zero top-150 players per 247 Sports. The Hausers would've provided a big injection of not just talent but also name recognition and proof of recruiting ability. They don't seem to be the favorites for any of their numerous 2020 4/5 star targets. Gard will have to replicate Bo-level player improvement, & might even need to do better in that regard than Bo did, to get remotely comparable results.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on May 29, 2019, 10:10:41 AM
Joey will be lucky to be a sixth man on MSU, after the experiment with him starting fails.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JWags85 on May 29, 2019, 10:16:31 AM
https://twitter.com/big_smooth10/status/1133729726235906049?s=21

Sam denying the whole 'silent verbal' thing.

There is ZERO doubt in my mind he will be widely and uniformly called a liar by the Bucky faithful on and offline for the next few days.  Their sources are far better than the actual person in question, who clearly was told to deny this COMPLETELY TRUE STORY by his B**** mother

EDIT: already begun.  ETR has done it.  Tons of people calling Greg Gard the most honest man in coaching and the Hausers masters of deception and lies.  Hilarious
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 29, 2019, 10:33:00 AM
Joey will be lucky to be a sixth man on MSU, after the experiment with him starting fails.

Actually, no.   Joey could be featured on the 20-21 team.   Winston will be gone, Henry might be gone, there is really no proven players on that team.   IF Joey gets quicker and stronger and embraces the Izzo mentality, Joey COULD shine.     He IS a 6'9, 235lb skilled stretch 4.   There are a lot of building blocks there.   
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2019, 10:51:23 AM
I think Joey will be great at MSU
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jay Bee on May 29, 2019, 11:02:25 AM
Joey will be lucky to be a sixth man on MSU, after the experiment with him starting fails.

Got $$ on dat tho?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Goose on May 29, 2019, 11:11:08 AM
I believe Joey will have big time career at MSU.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 79Warrior on May 29, 2019, 11:31:58 AM
So, in the end, the Hausers united the Marquette community by reminding us that Wisconsin is the true enemy and giving us one more reason to mock the Badgers.    Thanks, Sam and Joey.

Turning a negative into a positive. Well done
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: LoudMouth on May 29, 2019, 12:14:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Jalen_J23/status/1133579426191613952

Not to mention that Jalen Johnson is taking note of Badger fans torching the Hausers on social media. 

There's a lesson here for fans of all teams, don't light up a player's or their family's social media accounts.  You look like a grade A idiot and hurt the team you care about in the process.

Agreed completely. People need to stop being so brave behind their keyboards and acting irrationally with knee jerk reactions. I believe venting on this message board is better than social media but there still can be negative side effects to it.

It would be a great goodbye gift from the Hausers to not only not go to UW but also have everything go down in a way that recruits don't want to go there because of their fans reactions  ;D
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: forgetful on May 29, 2019, 12:44:32 PM
Joey will be lucky to be a sixth man on MSU, after the experiment with him starting fails.

Well according to the Badger Board. Sam and Joey would have been lucky to even start at UW if they had went there. They claim there stats were inflated against a crappy conference comparable to that of the MEAC.

So I guess, by the transitive property. Badger fans think Joey won't even make the floor at MSU.

I think Joey will be very good at MSU. Izzo will be extremely tough on him, the difference is, Izzo is proven, and kind of unassailable in knowing his basketball. Wojo wasn't proven. Some people find it easier to blame the leader, than to look inward. Izzo's reputation will make anyone look inward, and improve. That will allow Joey to reach his full potential.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 29, 2019, 12:45:34 PM
Agreed completely. People need to stop being so brave behind their keyboards and acting irrationally with knee jerk reactions. I believe venting on this message board is better than social media but there still can be negative side effects to it.

It would be a great goodbye gift from the Hausers to not only not go to UW but also have everything go down in a way that recruits don't want to go there because of their fans reactions  ;D

I heard Jalen Johnson gave Wisconsin a silent verbal.

I kid, I kid
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: forgetful on May 29, 2019, 12:49:49 PM
I heard Jalen Johnson gave Wisconsin a silent verbal.

I kid, I kid

The thing about a silent verbal, is that usually if you aren't going public with a decision yet, it is for good reason. You want to keep it quiet.

If the people you told leak it to the press, and it is published, you are going to seriously tick off the individual that wanted it private, possibly making them change their mind.

I know if I was given a new job offer, and I told the new employer that I intend on taking the job, but don't want to officially/formally announce it without tying up some loose ends first, and then they went and published it publicly. I would tell them to shove the job offer, as I don't want to work for some ashats that can't respect my privacy.

Leaking info to the press before someone wants it is never a good idea.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 29, 2019, 12:53:40 PM
The thing about a silent verbal, is that usually if you aren't going public with a decision yet, it is for good reason. You want to keep it quiet.

If the people you told leak it to the press, and it is published, you are going to seriously tick off the individual that wanted it private, possibly making them change their mind.

I know if I was given a new job offer, and I told the new employer that I intend on taking the job, but don't want to officially/formally announce it without tying up some loose ends first, and then they went and published it publicly. I would tell them to shove the job offer, as I don't want to work for some ashats that can't respect my privacy.

Leaking info to the press before someone wants it is never a good idea.

Kinda like the #done deal Shaka "silent verbal", ai'na?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 29, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
Actually, no.   Joey could be featured on the 20-21 team.   Winston will be gone, Henry might be gone, there is really no proven players on that team.   IF Joey gets quicker and stronger and embraces the Izzo mentality, Joey COULD shine.     He IS a 6'9, 235lb skilled stretch 4.   There are a lot of building blocks there.

There will be plenty of 4 and 5-star players on MSU when Joey becomes eligible.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 29, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
But they will be young.   Henry and X will probably be gone to the league.  Virtually no contributors from last year's final four team will be there.  Joey's freshman numbers are better than any 18-19 Sparty freshman.   If Joey buys in and commits to the process, he will be fine.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 29, 2019, 01:06:54 PM
perhaps he believes Tony will develop his skills and abilities best and he’ll be in a system to better showcase them to help him stand out to scouts.

I understand your point, but it's not about skills. Sam has NBA quality basketball skills already.

But it is about athletic ability/quickness. The best comparison style and size-wise would probably be Kyle Korver. One of the premier shooters in the NBA. Yet, he never averaged over 12 points a game - even when playing 30+ minutes - because of a lack of quickness. Sam is slower than Kyle on both footspeed and shot release. Similar rebounders in college - Korver has averaged 3 RPG in the NBA.

With his skills, Sam could possibly latch on for a couple years as an end-of-bench guy at best. I wouldn't bet on it though.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 29, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
You think Wesley Mathews has a long NBA career if Crean sticks around? I know he doesn't.

I think Buzz put guys who looked border line (or worse) into the league.

Yes.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: forgetful on May 29, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Kinda like the #done deal Shaka "silent verbal", ai'na?

Yup. There is no such thing as a silent deal. Until everything is signed and public there is nothing.

Violating trust and publishing things, just leads to embarrassment and anger for everyone involved.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUfan12 on May 29, 2019, 01:12:35 PM
If Joey's foot/ankle hold up he'll do great at MSU. He desperately needs tough coaching and Izzo will give him that.

Sam's in an ideal spot. A system that will get him clean looks, and cover up some of his defensive deficiencies.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: PointWarrior on May 29, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
I don’t get the dipcraptery that ETR is.  He is insisting the Hausers are lying in that they gave a commitment but asked for it to be not announced.

Let’s say they did give a commitment - who leaked it ETR?  Why did you and Potyrkus have to announce it?

And even if they did commit, it’s not like recruits change their minds?

ETR is a total clown.

Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 29, 2019, 01:53:47 PM
I am glad the Hausers split up as it is the best thing for their game as their skills were redundant. While the Badger system fit their game, adding those two into the mix with Reuvers would have created a hair clog Liquid Plumr couldn't even have cleared.

That said, while MU is certainly less talented, I believe they will be more multi-dimensional and athletic. Much more of a focus on paint touches. 

With this decision, the Hausers aren't running from something like the past (Bo, Herro, Markus), but they appear to be running toward their separate paths. Good luck as it is all on their skills now which is the right choice if they were unhappy.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 29, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
I understand your point, but it's not about skills. Sam has NBA quality basketball skills already.

But it is about athletic ability/quickness. The best comparison style and size-wise would probably be Kyle Korver. One of the premier shooters in the NBA. Yet, he never averaged over 12 points a game - even when playing 30+ minutes - because of a lack of quickness. Sam is slower than Kyle on both footspeed and shot release. Similar rebounders in college - Korver has averaged 3 RPG in the NBA.

With his skills, Sam could possibly latch on for a couple years as an end-of-bench guy at best. I wouldn't bet on it though.

I don't believe Sam is a NBA player in today's league, but he can make a very nice living playing overseas.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on May 29, 2019, 02:01:13 PM
I heard Jalen Johnson gave Wisconsin a silent verbal.

I kid, I kid

He’s gonna back out of that silent verbal

https://twitter.com/jalen_j23/status/1133579426191613952?s=21
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 29, 2019, 02:13:43 PM
Yup. There is no such thing as a silent deal. Until everything is signed and public there is nothing.

Violating trust and publishing things, just leads to embarrassment and anger for everyone involved.

 The many times I watch a Baseball pitcher and catcher  I see Silent Deals, but a Silent Verbal to me is different it is an Oxymoron.

I see it as an Ultra Limited verbal.  But as some Humans have that gene (I will only tell my best, most Trusted friend) the Trickle begins and it become not so Ultra  and accuracy is bended and conclusions drawn are varied.

But it does lead to filling some of our summer time season.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: oldwarrior81 on May 29, 2019, 02:45:50 PM
The public knowledge of a silent agreement has been going on for decades at Madison.

Remember the Bobby Knight coaching hire in 1968?

Knight, still coaching at Army, came into Madison and was offered and alledgedly accepted the Badgers head job.
He asked that everything be kept quiet as he explained that he needed a few days to get everything in order back home and have time to speak with the players at Army.
Before he even gets back to West Point the story about him accepting the job had been leaked to the press.
Even a taped recording of him accepting found it's way out of the closed door meeting.

He was furious.

Knight contacted Bo Schembechler who felt he had been disrespected the previous year during his interview for the Wisconsin football job.  Bo says his interview was held at 10 pm, one of the interviewers slept for the duration of the 40 minute interview.
Schembechler recommended Knight just call and turn down the position.  Which he did.

The Wisconsin people were furious.  But we have you on tape accepting.  Knight says, "I know.  I heard."
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 29, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
I don't believe Sam is a NBA player in today's league, but he can make a very nice living playing overseas.

This.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on May 29, 2019, 03:14:46 PM
But they will be young.   Henry and X will probably be gone to the league.  Virtually no contributors from last year's final four team will be there.  Joey's freshman numbers are better than any 18-19 Sparty freshman.   If Joey buys in and commits to the process, he will be fine.

Joey is a very skilled player. If he makes the commitment, he will be very good at MSU. But with the talent that they have, I don't think he will ever be "the guy". By his junior/senior years, however, I do expect he will average about 15/7 and be a major cog on the team.
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 29, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Agree that Wes got what he got totally on his own but does he even get a chance without the break out senior year?

Buycks, JFB and Jae all got much more out of their post college careers than could have been predicted. One constant of Buzz coached guys? Toughness. Tons of talent in the NBA - toughness can be the tiebreaker.

Then clearly Joey should go play for Buzz.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 29, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
Agree with all of it, but definitely a loss for both. I think the difference is that while it's tangibly a bigger loss for us because it's two starters, we at least seem to have players in place to take those minutes & already filled a scholarship for the coming year (Jayce) that will at the least help cover the minutes Joey would've provided by filling minutes JH would've played at the 5 and allowing Ed to slide to the 4, replacing more of JH's minutes effectively.

For Wisconsin, that also would've been 2 starters that, at least from a fan perspective, they see themselves as losing. Hard to imagine Aleem Ford or Nate Reuvers matches the level of efficiency & production either Hauser would've given. I also think it's a big blow that, when the Hausers stated they wanted to stay together, it was more appealing to split up and go to different out of state schools than it was to stay home together. That to me is a clear indicator that, while Wisconsin was on the list & received a visit, they were never really a serious option.

Both from an on-court and from a morale standpoint around Greg Gard, this is really bad news for them. In addition, while their 2017 recruiting class was solid, since then Gard has zero 4-star commits in 2018, 2019, or 2020 and zero top-150 players per 247 Sports. The Hausers would've provided a big injection of not just talent but also name recognition and proof of recruiting ability. They don't seem to be the favorites for any of their numerous 2020 4/5 star targets. Gard will have to replicate Bo-level player improvement, & might even need to do better in that regard than Bo did, to get remotely comparable results.

I don't dispute this at all. Losing the Hausers twice, especially this time when they seemed to be delivered to F%ckyville on a silver platter, is devastating for a coach who has not proven he can recruit a lick.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on May 29, 2019, 05:03:03 PM
https://twitter.com/big_smooth10/status/1133729726235906049?s=21

Sam denying the whole 'silent verbal' thing.
Because the whole "silent verbal" stupidity is a fiction made up by clowns like Eric the Red.  He's now claimed twice that Joey was committed to Wisconsin, and instead of people calling him out, they prefer to pretend it's the players and/or their nefarious parents who screwed them, instead of their idiot leader making crap up to look like a big deal.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 29, 2019, 05:20:40 PM
Because the whole "silent verbal" stupidity is a fiction made up by clowns like Eric the Red.  He's now claimed twice that Joey was committed to Wisconsin, and instead of people calling him out, they prefer to pretend it's the players and/or their nefarious parents who screwed them, instead of their idiot leader making crap up to look like a big deal.

I hope someday Joey gets into coaching and pulls what Shaka did to us but to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on May 29, 2019, 08:18:48 PM
https://twitter.com/big_smooth10/status/1133729726235906049?s=21

Sam denying the whole 'silent verbal' thing.
AR30 requesting tweet be deleted  ;D
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: LoudMouth on May 29, 2019, 09:40:21 PM
AR10 requesting tweet be deleted  ;D
**AR30**
Title: Re: Unofficial - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 29, 2019, 09:53:51 PM
Then clearly Joey should go play for Buzz.

Izzo's guys are tough too.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 30, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
In all seriousness, this could be exactly what Joey needs to go on to be an outstanding college player and, perhaps, an NBA prospect.

At Marquette, he was too close to mommy and daddy, he had Sam to protect him, he didn't get along with the team's All-American player, any little bit of criticism made him pout, and he apparently never really respected Wojo.

At Michigan State, he will not be coddled or protected. He will play for a demanding coach who will publicly call him out for his mistakes. The easy thing to do would have been to go to Wisconsin, where he would have instantly been BMOC, living close to his parents and with Sam at his side. He and his family must know all of that, so I'm impressed with this choice as a way to advance his career.

I wish him well, and I will be rooting for him at least 2 times a year!
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 30, 2019, 11:28:02 AM
In all seriousness, this could be exactly what Joey needs to go on to be an outstanding college player and, perhaps, an NBA prospect.

At Marquette, he was too close to mommy and daddy, he had Sam to protect him, he didn't get along with the team's All-American player, any little bit of criticism made him pout, and he apparently never really respected Wojo.

At Michigan State, he will not be coddled or protected. He will play for a demanding coach who will publicly call him out for his mistakes. The easy thing to do would have been to go to Wisconsin, where he would have instantly been BMOC, living close to his parents and with Sam at his side. He and his family must know all of that, so I'm impressed with this choice as a way to advance his career.

I wish him well, and I will be rooting for him at least 2 times a year!

Yep. Hopefully the next time an all American player gets on his ass for his crappy play he won’t act like a child and run home to momma.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Lens on May 30, 2019, 12:06:39 PM

At Michigan State, he will not be coddled or protected. He will play for a demanding coach who will publicly call him out for his mistakes. The easy thing to do would have been to go to Wisconsin, where he would have instantly been BMOC, living close to his parents and with Sam at his side. He and his family must know all of that, so I'm impressed with this choice as a way to advance his career.

I wish him well, and I will be rooting for him at least 2 times a year!

I'll second that.  The easy thing for both Joey and Sam would be to go to Madison.  So many built in advantages and easy lifestyle choices.  Trevor, Sam's GF, an Arena they used to own at the WIAAs, 1 hour, 45 minute drive for Mom & Dad, a roster that needs them, local ties...

Instead they split up, each sit out year in new towns away from each other, family & friends and compete for PT on some of the best rosters in the NCAA.  I admire that.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GB Warrior on May 30, 2019, 01:14:01 PM
I'll second that.  The easy thing for both Joey and Sam would be to go to Madison.  So many built in advantages and easy lifestyle choices.  Trevor, Sam's GF, an Arena they used to own at the WIAAs, 1 hour, 45 minute drive for Mom & Dad, a roster that needs them, local ties...

Instead they split up, each sit out year in new towns away from each other, family & friends and compete for PT on some of the best rosters in the NCAA.  I admire that.

To be fair they had a chance to compete for playing time on one of the best rosters in the NCAA without sitting out a year...
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 30, 2019, 01:19:10 PM
To be fair they had a chance to compete for playing time on one of the best rosters in the NCAA without sitting out a year...

Well yeah ... there's this.

And they wouldn't have been labeled as guys who quit at the first sign of adversity, too.

But having decided to transfer, I definitely respect them more for choosing the less-safe route, one that figures to benefit them more down the line.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 30, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
Yep. Hopefully the next time an all American player gets on his ass for his crappy play he won’t act like a child and run home to momma.

To be fair, we don’t really know what the relationship between Markus and Joey was like.  During the game at DePaul, Markus kind of got in Joey’s face after some poor play, but it definitely didn’t look like a “getting on his ass” thing, more like a “hang in there and keep gutting it out” thing.  Then again, I wasn’t on the court and don’t know exactly what was said.  But neither was anybody else on this board, as far as I know.

So let’s stick to the facts we actually know, which are almost zero outside of the Hausers transferred and are now at MSU and UVA.  Everybody involved has been tight-lipped, which is probably for the best.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: connie on May 30, 2019, 01:32:06 PM
To be fair they had a chance to compete for playing time on one of the best rosters in the NCAA without sitting out a year...
Which just circles us back to the "how bad did things have to be" for them to take this step discussion.  The only new piece of data we have is that at one point it was important for the Hauser's to play together.  Guess that is no longer true. Oh, and that they are both valued enough by some top tier programs to eat a schollie for a year waiting on them to be eligible.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 30, 2019, 01:43:13 PM
And the 'would have stayed if Markus left' legend.   
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 30, 2019, 01:44:47 PM
Which just circles us back to the "how bad did things have to be" for them to take this step discussion.  The only new piece of data we have is that at one point it was important for the Hauser's to play together. Guess that is no longer true. Oh, and that they are both valued enough by some top tier programs to eat a schollie for a year waiting on them to be eligible.

Do we know this was the case during the transfer process, or are you referring to MU? During the transfer process, all we had was wild speculation, mainly coming from here and Madison.

Speaking of Madison, do Fran and Swenson still post and think they know all? Such amusing fellows back in the day on the Dodds board.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 30, 2019, 01:53:01 PM
Do we know this was the case during the transfer process, or are you referring to MU? During the transfer process, all we had was wild speculation, mainly coming from here and Madison.

Speaking of Madison, do Fran and Swenson still post and think they know all? Such amusing fellows back in the day on the Dodds board.

I believe Swenson still does.

It is humorous some of the comments coming from out west are glad they didn’t get the Hausers since they “quit” on Marquette and didn’t want “quitters”, “divas” or locker room “cancers” and “helicopter parents”.

Rather remarkable some feel bad they quit on Marquette now!
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on May 30, 2019, 02:31:31 PM
Well yeah ... there's this.

And they wouldn't have been labeled as guys who quit at the first sign of adversity, too.

But having decided to transfer, I definitely respect them more for choosing the less-safe route, one that figures to benefit them more down the line.
A case could be made that the path they are taking is much safer. Going to one program with a legendary Hall if Fame coach known for player development and the another going to a future Hall of Fame coach who comes from your home town and your positioned to be a featured player the year your eligible. Those two versus a Badger program that could be down for many years .
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on May 30, 2019, 02:55:00 PM
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Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 30, 2019, 03:16:32 PM
In all seriousness, this could be exactly what Joey needs to go on to be an outstanding college player and, perhaps, an NBA prospect.

At Marquette, he was too close to mommy and daddy, he had Sam to protect him, he didn't get along with the team's All-American player, any little bit of criticism made him pout, and he apparently never really respected Wojo.

At Michigan State, he will not be coddled or protected. He will play for a demanding coach who will publicly call him out for his mistakes. The easy thing to do would have been to go to Wisconsin, where he would have instantly been BMOC, living close to his parents and with Sam at his side. He and his family must know all of that, so I'm impressed with this choice as a way to advance his career.

I wish him well, and I will be rooting for him at least 2 times a year!

Mike,

Agree 100% with paragraphs 1, 3 and 4.

Paragraph 2, not so much.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 30, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
To be fair, we don’t really know what the relationship between Markus and Joey was like.  During the game at DePaul, Markus kind of got in Joey’s face after some poor play, but it definitely didn’t look like a “getting on his ass” thing, more like a “hang in there and keep gutting it out” thing.  Then again, I wasn’t on the court and don’t know exactly what was said.  But neither was anybody else on this board, as far as I know.

So let’s stick to the facts we actually know, which are almost zero outside of the Hausers transferred and are now at MSU and UVA.  Everybody involved has been tight-lipped, which is probably for the best.

You should go post on the MSU boards Mr. Hauser. Your little boy doesn’t play here any more.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 30, 2019, 04:55:46 PM
You should go post on the MSU boards Mr. Hauser. Your little boy doesn’t play here any more.

I don't think RR was defending Joey. He was simply stating a fact that none of us know exactly what happened.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 30, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
I don't think RR was defending Joey. He was simply stating a fact that none of us know exactly what happened.

I don’t know quantum physics, but I know things aren’t flying off into space either.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: warriorchick on May 31, 2019, 07:18:37 AM
I believe Swenson still does.

It is humorous some of the comments coming from out west are glad they didn’t get the Hausers since they “quit” on Marquette and didn’t want “quitters”, “divas” or locker room “cancers” and “helicopter parents”.


Also, the comment that Joey deserved that punch in the groin.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on May 31, 2019, 09:14:30 AM
I believe Swenson still does.

It is humorous some of the comments coming from out west are glad they didn’t get the Hausers since they “quit” on Marquette and didn’t want “quitters”, “divas” or locker room “cancers” and “helicopter parents”.

Rather remarkable some feel bad they quit on Marquette now!

While clearly sour grapes from wisky fans that doent necessarily make them untrue.  From all that we saw last year with the parents, the pouting, the team falling off a cliff, apparently attempting to lead a mutiny, etc they may be spot on.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 09:17:37 AM
Mike,

Agree 100% with paragraphs 1, 3 and 4.

Paragraph 2, not so much.

75% agreement. I'll take it! Most of us probably don't agree with our spouses 75% of the time.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2019, 10:16:15 AM
While clearly sour grapes from wisky fans that doent necessarily make them untrue.  From all that we saw last year with the parents, the pouting, the team falling off a cliff, apparently attempting to lead a mutiny, etc they may be spot on.

The World According to Sand Knit:

Tony Bennett gave 2 years of scholarships for 1 year of play to a good but not great player who led a mutiny against his coach and tanked his team's season - oh and by the way comes with awful, meddling parents.

Tom Izzo gave 3 years of scholarships for 2 years of play to a guy who sucks at basketball, is a pouting baby and tanked his team's season - oh and by the way comes with awful, meddling parents.

So, Wojo comes out of this looking like a genius (addition through subtraction) while Bennett and Izzo look like total idiots. Sorry, Sandy - even through my blue and gold glasses your scenario looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 31, 2019, 10:46:47 AM
The sudden shift in perspective on Joey from many here is pretty hilarious. He’s now viewed as being a whiny, soft malcontent. Never heard any of those assertions before he transferred. Some of you sound like scorned lovers
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 31, 2019, 11:20:46 AM
The sudden shift in perspective on Joey from many here is pretty hilarious. He’s now viewed as being a whiny, soft malcontent. Never heard any of those assertions before he transferred. Some of you sound like scorned lovers

this. I did not think much of joey's hand or defense but offensively and ball handling he was a great player. He was in the very least above average for a freshman, and of the non 1 and done freshmen I'd say he was in the upper echelon. The opinions of personality, I assume, are all conjecture
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 31, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
The sudden shift in perspective on Joey from many here is pretty hilarious. He’s now viewed as being a whiny, soft malcontent. Never heard any of those assertions before he transferred. Some of you sound like scorned lovers
Some teammates have referred to Joey as ‘Soft serve Vanilla’ that’s pretty funny and telling.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Skip Intro on May 31, 2019, 12:36:52 PM
I still think that both Sam and Joey's decisions had more to do with their NBA hopes than any particular rift with Markus, rift with Wojo, etc. 

Sam only has one year of playing left to make an impression.  Next year's MU team adds an aggressive guard who can score playing right alongside a guard who is always looking to score.  Not to mention a more confident senior Sacar, a more seasoned Bailey, and a comeback Greg Elliot.  Odds are, Sam's total ppg would have dipped next year just based on the shots going up around him (including those by his brother).  If Sam's going to the NBA, it'll be for his shooting ability alone.  A drop in production for any shooter can't look good to scouts, so his 2nd round draft odds probably would have been low.  Now, at UVa, he has drawn attention to himself - sure, he has to sit a year, but a very good coach at a very good school wanted him, and their system may allow him to score more.  Even if his scoring average stays about the same as it was at MU last year, he's built a story around himself and has proven he can play in arguably the best conference in men's hoops.  2nd round odds likely go up (I'm just assuming 1st round is out of the picture).

Joey's basically in the same boat, but obviously with more eligibility.  If playing in the NBA is truly their end goal, then this might have been their best option. 

Not saying their wasn't friction on all sides at the end of last year, but this may have been a business decision more than a personal decision.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 31, 2019, 12:43:42 PM
The sudden shift in perspective on Joey from many here is pretty hilarious. He’s now viewed as being a whiny, soft malcontent. Never heard any of those assertions before he transferred. Some of you sound like scorned lovers

You weren't listening then. There were plenty bashing on Joey during the last half of the season as there always is when players go through a long slump. Some made comments about his body language though those were usually dismissed.

That being said, there are definitely some bashing him now that weren't bashing him before. Definitely a scorned lover feel to a lot of it.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 31, 2019, 01:13:32 PM
I still think that both Sam and Joey's decisions had more to do with their NBA hopes than any particular rift with Markus, rift with Wojo, etc. 

Sam only has one year of playing left to make an impression.  Next year's MU team adds an aggressive guard who can score playing right alongside a guard who is always looking to score.  Not to mention a more confident senior Sacar, a more seasoned Bailey, and a comeback Greg Elliot.  Odds are, Sam's total ppg would have dipped next year just based on the shots going up around him (including those by his brother).  If Sam's going to the NBA, it'll be for his shooting ability alone.  A drop in production for any shooter can't look good to scouts, so his 2nd round draft odds probably would have been low.  Now, at UVa, he has drawn attention to himself - sure, he has to sit a year, but a very good coach at a very good school wanted him, and their system may allow him to score more.  Even if his scoring average stays about the same as it was at MU last year, he's built a story around himself and has proven he can play in arguably the best conference in men's hoops.  2nd round odds likely go up (I'm just assuming 1st round is out of the picture).

Joey's basically in the same boat, but obviously with more eligibility.  If playing in the NBA is truly their end goal, then this might have been their best option. 

Not saying their wasn't friction on all sides at the end of last year, but this may have been a business decision more than a personal decision.

Uva’s System isn’t going to allow him to score more. He will only score more if there aren’t more options available. MU’s offense is much more like an NBAs offense.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
Some teammates have referred to Joey as ‘Soft serve Vanilla’ that’s pretty funny and telling.

Pretty telling, yes. As in wrong and kinda racist. Which "teammates"?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 31, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
Wee kneed sum tutti frutti playas, hey?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 31, 2019, 01:55:20 PM
The sudden shift in perspective on Joey from many here is pretty hilarious. He’s now viewed as being a whiny, soft malcontent. Never heard any of those assertions before he transferred. Some of you sound like scorned lovers
I was polite because he was still here.  But he was throwing his hands in the air in November when he didn't get the ball when he thought he should.  I chalked it up to freshman immaturity.  I noticed late in the year when he would get a defensive board and bring it up himself, then passing to Sam rather than passing it to Markus in stride.  And I held my tongue thinking I was imagining it and letting my previous observations affect my interpretation of what I was seeing.   His turnovers trying to pass it anywhere but to Markus.   I attributed them all to being a freshman and assumed he would grow up.    But they all happened.   Now he can grow up for Izzo.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 31, 2019, 02:24:33 PM
Some teammates have referred to Joey as ‘Soft serve Vanilla’ that’s pretty funny and telling.
Where?  Because I would laugh out loud if that was actually said publicly.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 02:33:00 PM
Some teammates have referred to Joey as ‘Soft serve Vanilla’ that’s pretty funny and telling.

Ridiculous comment with no evidence or context.

You weren't listening then. There were plenty bashing on Joey during the last half of the season as there always is when players go through a long slump. Some made comments about his body language though those were usually dismissed.

That being said, there are definitely some bashing him now that weren't bashing him before. Definitely a scorned lover feel to a lot of it.

Agree largely with this. Many Scoopers were advocating for Bailey (and even Cain) to get more of Joey's PT down the stretch, and some were even saying he should be benched. I seem to remember that all having to do with production, however, and not bad body language.

The fact is that Joey did disappear the last month or two. Unable to contribute offensively, he was a net negative because he couldn't play defense. None of which means he can't develop into an excellent player at MSU, just as I believe he would have developed into an excellent player at Marquette.

The later "Joey Sucks And Is Whiny" narrative shouldn't have been bought hook, line and sinker by as many Scoopers as did, but there were parts of it that seemed logical and helped fill in the holes that were part of the "Wojo Is The Worst Ever" narrative. As is almost always the case, the middle ground made the most sense to me.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 31, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
You weren't listening then. There were plenty bashing on Joey during the last half of the season as there always is when players go through a long slump. Some made comments about his body language though those were usually dismissed.

That being said, there are definitely some bashing him now that weren't bashing him before. Definitely a scorned lover feel to a lot of it.
Meh. I saw an occasional gripe about his body language and many complaints (with merit) about his D, but there’s straight revisionist character assassination going on ONLY because he transferred 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 31, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
Meh. I saw an occasional gripe about his body language and many complaints (with merit) about his D, but there’s straight revisionist character assassination going on ONLY because he transferred

Yes, if he had stayed, most would have held their tongues and hoped he grew up.    He didn't stay.    Now the repressed gripes are coming out.   
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on May 31, 2019, 04:05:39 PM
Yes, if he had stayed, most would have held their tongues and hoped he grew up.    He didn't stay.    Now the repressed gripes are coming out.   
Yeah that’s not what this is in my opinion (not referring to you). Some of the venomous posts are strongly influenced by scorned lover syndrome
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on May 31, 2019, 04:54:51 PM
I think we need to recognize that Joey was a freshmen playing out of position.
Joey would of been playing out of position one more year, if the Hausers stayed at MU or ended up at the same school.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 31, 2019, 05:03:48 PM
I think we need to recognize that Joey was a freshmen playing out of position.
Joey would of been playing out of position one more year, if the Hausers stayed at MU or ended up at the same school.

He wasn’t playing out of position. Positions are interchangeable in basketball these days.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 31, 2019, 05:39:04 PM
Uva’s System isn’t going to allow him to score more. He will only score more if there aren’t more options available. MU’s offense is much more like an NBAs offense.
WTF? MU's offense is much more like an NBA's offense?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 31, 2019, 05:41:08 PM
Wee kneed sum tutti frutti playas, hey?
Wee kneed sumore playas of the Kalibre of Sam and Joey tu replace whut Wojo lost.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 31, 2019, 05:43:59 PM
Kinda funny that almost erevrybody that posts about Hausergate blame Joey and his antics. Rarely does ny body recognize that Wojo could have prevented this, but it is easier to blame the young turncoat than the man making the huge bucks.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 31, 2019, 05:49:01 PM
WTF? MU's offense is much more like an NBA's offense?

Yeah. The four out pick and roll offense is a staple of nba teams.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 31, 2019, 05:51:01 PM
Yeah. The four out pick and roll offense is a staple of nba teams.

You telling me the NBA doesn't employ The Swing offense? 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 31, 2019, 05:59:17 PM
Kinda funny that almost erevrybody that posts about Hausergate blame Joey and his antics. Rarely does ny body recognize that Wojo could have prevented this, but it is easier to blame the young turncoat than the man making the huge bucks.

What did you want Wojo to do?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 31, 2019, 06:32:28 PM
Kinda funny that almost erevrybody that posts about Hausergate blame Joey and his antics. Rarely does ny body recognize that Wojo could have prevented this, but it is easier to blame the young turncoat than the man making the huge bucks.

As the days have gone on, more people are targeting Joey as the cause. But I'd still guess if you broke down the % of posts, most of the criticism would have been directed at Wojo. Whose most right? Who knows?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 31, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
Turn head coaching duties over to Willie or the Hausers.  Resign.  Commit ritual suicide for the dishonor he had brought.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Nukem2 on May 31, 2019, 06:41:01 PM
As the days have gone on, more people are targeting Joey as the cause. But I'd still guess if you broke down the % of posts, most of the criticism would have been directed at Wojo. Whose most right? Who knows?
Not rearly a criticism of Joey.  Had he gone to MSU or UW, would this have happened?  Reality is that they are basically the same player and that did not work out long term in MUs system and probably not elsewhere.  That’s probably reflective of why they are not together any more?  Food for thought.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: willie warrior on May 31, 2019, 07:26:43 PM
What did you want Wojo to do?
I have answered that for you previously. Wojo did not do enough to handle this situation. It appears that he did very little. So ho ahead with your blinders and keep defending a guy that is obviously in over his head.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
As the days have gone on, more people are targeting Joey as the cause. But I'd still guess if you broke down the % of posts, most of the criticism would have been directed at Wojo. Whose most right? Who knows?

This.

Wojo took considerable more heat than Joey did, even after the "Crybaby Joey" narrative came out. Hell, I had been what joyless willie would call a "Wojo slurper," and I place the lion's share of blame on Wojo. I'd guess the ratio of Blame Wojo's to Blame Joey's was at least 2-to-1. At least. With a few Blame Markus & Wojo's thrown in. Very few Blame Sam's, though.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 31, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
This.

Wojo took considerable more heat than Joey did, even after the "Crybaby Joey" narrative came out. Hell, I had been what joyless willie would call a "Wojo slurper," and I place the lion's share of blame on Wojo. I'd guess the ratio of Blame Wojo's to Blame Joey's was at least 2-to-1. At least. With a few Blame Markus & Wojo's thrown in. Very few Blame Sam's, though.

The Wojo slurpers make me sick.  They should be angrier
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: withoutbias on May 31, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
you mean to tell me a fanbase feels differently about a player that transfers out of their program?  especially a freshman who was getting 30 minutes per game?

wild!

next thing you know scoopers will be claiming thunder fans feel differently about kd now than they did about him 5 years ago.  hard to fathom.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on May 31, 2019, 07:41:07 PM
I am outraged that Wojo didn't do more to appease the Hausers! 

Happy?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 31, 2019, 07:43:22 PM
I am outraged that Wojo didn't do more to appease the Hausers! 

Happy?

Thanks, Tower!  Now we’re getting somewhere
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
I am outraged that Wojo didn't do more to appease the Hausers! 

Happy?

I am outraged about your outrage.

I mean, the whole effen thing is outrageous.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUEng92 on May 31, 2019, 07:52:23 PM
The last 5-6 months of Scoopdom has made me numb to this situation.  I would greatly appreciate the all knowing scoopers to recount specifically what could have been done differently one last time and then all of us agree to never speak of it again. 

That would also be known as "the best of both worlds". Meaning, those all knowing among us can put on display how brilliant they are by detailing the apparently obvious way this season should have been handled and then the rest of us don't have to live through the mind numbing drivel anymore.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 31, 2019, 08:00:58 PM
The last 5-6 months of Scoopdom has made me numb to this situation.  I would greatly appreciate the all knowing scoopers to recount specifically what could have been done differently one last time and then all of us agree to never speak of it again. 

That would also be known as "the best of both worlds". Meaning, those all knowing among us can put on display how brilliant they are by detailing the apparently obvious way this season should have been handled and then the rest of us don't have to live through the mind numbing drivel anymore.

So the burden of proof is on the people not getting millions of dollars to run a program? 

Let’s put Joey aside. We had a player who in three years had more points than butler and wade—transferred up, not down.  And somehow ‘scoopers’ are supposed to specifically identify what the million dollar coach could have possibly done different. 

Seems misplaced.  Result is terrible — no excuse.  As you point out, Now it’s just about what happens next.  Tired of hearing why abnormal situations are nothing to worry about.     
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on May 31, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
Pretty telling, yes. As in wrong and kinda racist. Which "teammates"?
Why? You gonna go give them a piece of your mind?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MUEng92 on May 31, 2019, 08:08:32 PM
So the burden of proof is on the people not getting millions of dollars to run a program? 

Let’s put Joey aside. We had a player who in three years had more points than butler and wade—transferred up, not down.  And somehow ‘scoopers’ are supposed to specifically identify what the million dollar coach could have possibly done different. 

Seems misplaced.  Result is terrible — no excuse.  As you point out, Now it’s just about what happens next.  Tired of hearing why abnormal situations are nothing to worry about.     

Well, I keep reading people implying that it's obvious what Wojo should have done differently, so it was implied you don't need to be paid millions of dollars to know what was wrong.  I don't have the inclination to go back through hundreds of pages of Scoop to find where it was pointed out.  So, yes, I guess it is a bit of arrogant of me to ask for it to be repeated here.  Let's call it a friendly request to repeat it.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on May 31, 2019, 09:29:11 PM
Wee kneed sum tutti frutti playas, hey?
I always liked that gum.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on May 31, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
I was polite because he was still here.  But he was throwing his hands in the air in November when he didn't get the ball when he thought he should.  I chalked it up to freshman immaturity.  I noticed late in the year when he would get a defensive board and bring it up himself, then passing to Sam rather than passing it to Markus in stride.  And I held my tongue thinking I was imagining it and letting my previous observations affect my interpretation of what I was seeing.   His turnovers trying to pass it anywhere but to Markus.   I attributed them all to being a freshman and assumed he would grow up.    But they all happened.   Now he can grow up for Izzo.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2019, 09:41:47 PM
Yes, if he had stayed, most would have held their tongues and hoped he grew up.    He didn't stay.    Now the repressed gripes are coming out.   

So if Markus left what would you be "regressed griping" about?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 31, 2019, 09:51:11 PM
Why? You gonna go give them a piece of your mind?

Nope. Just wanted to know if the guy who made this up actually had any facts. Thanks for clearing it up.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on May 31, 2019, 09:52:02 PM
People make themselves unhappy. You cannot make an unhappy person happy for long.

In hind sight Wojo should not of let Joey and Sam room together.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on May 31, 2019, 10:22:28 PM
to keep the topic on the hausers... sam was officially introduced to UVA via twitter
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 31, 2019, 11:46:30 PM
In hind sight Wojo should not of let Joey and Sam room together.
I thought Sam and Markus were roommates.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on June 01, 2019, 12:33:12 AM
Nope. Just wanted to know if the guy who made this up actually had any facts. Thanks for clearing it up.

Like you making up Hauser was pressured at Georgetown....or just a few days ago that you knew with absolute certainty Wes Matthews doesn’t make the NBA without Buzz.....or the best yet, you are 100% certain fluffy is me? 

Thanks for clearing that up and whenever you want to practice what you preach, let us all know.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on June 01, 2019, 06:21:58 AM
So if Markus left what would you be "regressed griping" about?
If Markus left, I would still be supporting those who stayed.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: We R Final Four on June 01, 2019, 06:25:52 AM
Nope. Just wanted to know if the guy who made this up actually had any facts. Thanks for clearing it up.
It’s a fact Jack.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 01, 2019, 06:35:09 AM
Like you making up Hauser was pressured at Georgetown....or just a few days ago that you knew with absolute certainty Wes Matthews doesn’t make the NBA without Buzz.....or the best yet, you are 100% certain fluffy is me? 

Thanks for clearing that up and whenever you want to practice what you preach, let us all know.


Wait...Wes doesn’t make it to the nba without Buzz?  He was an undrafted free agent. What exactly did Buzz do for him?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 01, 2019, 08:14:34 AM

Wait...Wes doesn’t make it to the nba without Buzz?  He was an undrafted free agent. What exactly did Buzz do for him?

He made Dominic James a PG.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on June 01, 2019, 08:23:56 AM

Wait...Wes doesn’t make it to the nba without Buzz?  He was an undrafted free agent. What exactly did Buzz do for him?

Exactly!!!!   But you know, he “unleashed me”.   ::)
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 01, 2019, 12:33:48 PM
Y'all got short memories. Crean's da dude wit all dem Association canecktions, aina?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 01, 2019, 12:56:37 PM
Like you making up Hauser was pressured at Georgetown....or just a few days ago that you knew with absolute certainty Wes Matthews doesn’t make the NBA without Buzz.....or the best yet, you are 100% certain fluffy is me? 

Thanks for clearing that up and whenever you want to practice what you preach, let us all know.

Why are you compelled to insert yourself (and the lies that you repeat time after freaking time) into conversations you're not included in? Obsession is a serious problem - perhaps Fluffy can help.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on June 01, 2019, 02:56:35 PM
Why are you compelled to insert yourself (and the lies that you repeat time after freaking time) into conversations you're not included in? Obsession is a serious problem - perhaps Fluffy can help.

I’m not repeating any lie, just exposing your hypocrisy.  Fluffy and I.....that’s fantastic.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on June 01, 2019, 07:47:18 PM
I’m not repeating any lie, just exposing your hypocrisy.  Fluffy and I.....that’s fantastic.
Does anyone know who the successor to Mike Deans Dark Glasses is?
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 01, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
I’m not repeating any lie, just exposing your hypocrisy.  Fluffy and I.....that’s fantastic.

i get it, lennys tap and cheeks and fluffy are all the same :D
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on June 01, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
i get it, lennys tap and cheeks and fluffy are all the same :D
Dynamic Scooper!
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on June 02, 2019, 07:21:13 PM
I thought Sam and Markus were roommates.
They were before Joey.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: 🏀 on June 02, 2019, 08:11:50 PM
They were before Joey.

Ohhhhhh crap
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: tower912 on June 02, 2019, 08:14:48 PM
Yup, pre Joey, Sam and Markus were BFFs.  Joey arrives, Sam and Joey room together.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Cheeks on June 02, 2019, 08:16:16 PM
Yup, pre Joey, Sam and Markus were BFFs.  Joey arrives, Sam and Joey room together.

Joey first roomed with Harry.....
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Newsdreams on June 03, 2019, 10:33:20 AM
I wonder if this tweet is just coincidence?

https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1135553506461540352?s=21
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: bilsu on June 03, 2019, 01:09:36 PM
Joey first roomed with Harry.....
Well that proves it.
Harry transfers after rooming with Joey.
Sam transfers after rooming with Joey and picks a different school than Joey.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Jockey on June 03, 2019, 01:14:26 PM
I wonder if this tweet is just coincidence?

https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1135553506461540352?s=21

Ouch!!
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 03, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
I wonder if this tweet is just coincidence?

https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1135553506461540352?s=21


Some pretty direct tweets lately from Stan and now Mike about team unity and loyalty. I doubt that's a coincidence....
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 03, 2019, 01:19:09 PM
Shut this thread down.  Sick of looking at it. 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Loose Cannon on June 03, 2019, 01:25:01 PM
Shut this thread down.  Sick of looking at it.

Seconded.  History.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 03, 2019, 01:37:09 PM
Shut this thread down.  Sick of looking at it. 

Then don’t.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 03, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Then don’t.

It is at the top of the list every unnatural carnal knowledgeing day.  Its hard to not see. 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
It is at the top of the list every unnatural carnal knowledgeing day.  Its hard to not see.

In the history of Scoop, with the exception of  Bob Dukiet's legacy, there is no topic that posters won't revisit for decades. 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 03, 2019, 02:04:19 PM
It is at the top of the list every unnatural carnal knowledgeing day.  Its hard to not see. 

Well then many don’t share your opinion.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Benny B on June 03, 2019, 02:25:33 PM
I don't have time to go through 19 pages, and I'm not going to start a new thread to ask whether or not that whole rumor about MU donors paying off the Hausers is still going strong over in buckyland.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 03, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Well then many don’t share your opinion.

Great, appreciate the input.  Continue to concern yourself with 2 kids that chose to play elsewhere.  Me thinks its time to move on. 
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: connie on June 03, 2019, 02:57:49 PM
I don't have time to go through 19 pages, and I'm not going to start a new thread to ask whether or not that whole rumor about MU donors paying off the Hausers is still going strong over in buckyland.
I loved that story.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on June 03, 2019, 03:46:32 PM
In the history of Scoop, with the exception of  Bob Dukiet's legacy, there is no topic that posters won't revisit for decades.

His legacy is that every other MU coach looks good in comparison. It's like any of us getting to stand next to Keith Richards in a "beauty" pageant!
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on June 04, 2019, 08:45:33 AM
It is at the top of the list every unnatural carnal knowledgeing day.  Its hard to not see. 


bump for JJJJJ

 ;)
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MomofMUltiples on June 04, 2019, 09:36:42 AM
I don't have time to go through 19 pages, and I'm not going to start a new thread to ask whether or not that whole rumor about MU donors paying off the Hausers is still going strong over in buckyland.

Buckyland has moved on to talk about all the great recruits they aren’t going to get, and Ethan Happ’s draft chances.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on June 04, 2019, 10:40:24 AM
Buckyland has moved on to talk about all the great recruits they aren’t going to get, and Ethan Happ’s draft chances.
But it is still all mom's fault, and ErictheClown insists the Hausers are big fat liars and of course he is right, despite Sam posting they had NOT committed well before the final announcements.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 04, 2019, 11:17:59 AM
But it is still all mom's fault, and ErictheClown insists the Hausers are big fat liars and of course he is right, despite Sam posting they had NOT committed well before the final announcements.

Eric the Red was probably there.  Bet he’s at recruiting visits 😄
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: warriorchick on June 04, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
I am not going to read through 4500 posts, but has anyone on Buckyville floated the theory that the Hausers didn't come to Wisconsin because Davison punched Joey in the cohones?  I don't believe it, but it would be fun to see Bucky fans lose their minds over it.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: mujivitz06 on June 04, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
Eric the Red was probably there.  Bet he’s at recruiting visits 😄

That guy is just the absolute worst of all of them. Claims to be some sort of insider yet won't put his name on anything. I can't stand that guy.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Herman Cain on June 04, 2019, 10:28:32 PM
I am not going to read through 4500 posts, but has anyone on Buckyville floated the theory that the Hausers didn't come to Wisconsin because Davison punched Joey in the cohones?  I don't believe it, but it would be fun to see Bucky fans lose their minds over it.

The 247 Board locked the Hauser thread

https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/103802/Contents/Marquette-Golden-Eagle-Transfers-Sam-Hauser-Joey-Hauser-Make-Decision-Wisconsin-Badgers-Basketball-Recruiting-132097096/
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: MU82 on June 04, 2019, 11:16:30 PM
The 247 Board locked the Hauser thread

https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/103802/Contents/Marquette-Golden-Eagle-Transfers-Sam-Hauser-Joey-Hauser-Make-Decision-Wisconsin-Badgers-Basketball-Recruiting-132097096/

So now we know where Ners ended up posting all the time ...
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on June 05, 2019, 07:49:51 AM
The 247 Board locked the Hauser thread

https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/103802/Contents/Marquette-Golden-Eagle-Transfers-Sam-Hauser-Joey-Hauser-Make-Decision-Wisconsin-Badgers-Basketball-Recruiting-132097096/
all the badger fans saying they're gonna have a loaded 2020 class ;D
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on June 05, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Looking forward to opening up that seat that ultimate "helicopter dad" dave hauser was occupying.  Kinda like Lavar Ball but his sons will be playing in Europe instead of the nba.
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 05, 2019, 01:34:15 PM
Looking forward to opening up that seat that ultimate "helicopter dad" dave hauser was occupying.  Kinda like Lavar Ball but his sons will be playing in Europe instead of the nba.

The “big baller” has one in the nba. Sure has been pretty quiet about the other 2. Are his shoes still out there?  My thoughts are that LA is trying to move Lonzo and take just about anything in return. Still can’t believe magic picked him at #2
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: JWags85 on June 05, 2019, 03:07:38 PM
The “big baller” has one in the nba. Sure has been pretty quiet about the other 2. Are his shoes still out there?  My thoughts are that LA is trying to move Lonzo and take just about anything in return. Still can’t believe magic picked him at #2

He's an extremely talented disbutor and overall PG.  He needs to overhaul his shot but he was having a really nice second year until the injury, turned into a very solid defender to.  You can knock him for his Dad, but he was a consensus top 3 pick, not like he was an overhyped flash in the pan.

Middle brother isn't any good, but Melo has a lot of potential.  Grew to a solid size and is a legit top 30 prospect playing against top tier prep school competition
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: NickelDimer on June 05, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
Looking forward to opening up that seat that ultimate "helicopter dad" dave hauser was occupying.  Kinda like Lavar Ball but his sons will be playing in Europe instead of the nba.
You’re not very bright
Title: Re: 5/28 finally official - Sam to UVA, Joey to MSU
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 05, 2019, 04:01:11 PM
He's an extremely talented disbutor and overall PG.  He needs to overhaul his shot but he was having a really nice second year until the injury, turned into a very solid defender to.  You can knock him for his Dad, but he was a consensus top 3 pick, not like he was an overhyped flash in the pan.

Middle brother isn't any good, but Melo has a lot of potential.  Grew to a solid size and is a legit top 30 prospect playing against top tier prep school competition

You’re right. I’ve got to separate the dad from the kids. The kids actually handle the situation better than the dad.  Got to give the kids credit for compartmentalizing and concentrating on b-ball