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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on May 16, 2019, 09:54:45 AM
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Really good story, woth signing up for a free trial, at least. I won't cut and paste it since it's behind a paywall, but some of the highlights:
- "Obviously the thing that most people care about is the things that we’ve done on the court, and we’ve done a lot of really good things,” Wojciechowski says. “Does that mean we’re satisfied with where we’re at now? Of course not, and we’re always striving to be better, and this upcoming season is no different. But when I was hired here, I was hired here to build a program that reflects the values of Marquette University, and in that respect, I think we’ve done a good job. Is that saying we’re exactly where we want to be? No. We want to win and we would have loved to finish the season stronger. Do we recognize we have to win games in the NCAA Tournament? Absolutely. I think all those things are on the horizon for this program, even though they haven’t happened yet.”
- Wojo advised Markus to get evaluated by the NBA; he chose not to
- Didn't say anything new about the Hauser situation, though author Brian Hamilton wrote: "That was a Friday, when a high-scoring, high-usage star told the world he wasn’t going anywhere. On Monday, Sam and Joey Hauser, the team’s second- and third-leading scorers, announced their plans to transfer. Suffice it to say the most straightforward read of that dynamic is more or less the correct one."
- Staff was counting on Chartouny to allow Markus to play of the ball more, which obviously didn't happen.
- "“The things we’ve talked to him about, is continuing to improve his decision-making,” Wojciechowski says of Howard. “You always want him to follow his instincts to score, but when the defense is fully committed to taking those instincts away, then you have to make the right play. That’s something that he knows, that he wants to get better at."
- Markus is good with accepting criticism, which Wojo says is not the case for a lot of the all-Americans he's coached.
- “I think there’s a segment of people that take him for granted, and that’s not right in my eyes,” Wojciechowski says. “People can disagree with me. That’s fine. But that’s the way it is, and it’s not me being defensive. It’s me expressing my feelings. Because I think the story has gotten lost and I don’t think it’s right that it’s gotten lost. I don’t think in other programs it would have gotten lost. This was not about me publicly having Marcus’ back. Marcus knows I have his back. We know there’s a special young man in our program that made a hell of a decision, and he deserves to be appreciated as such. Marcus knows there’s things he can do to get better. It’s one of the reasons he’s coming back.”
- Greg and Koby will allow MU to attack the paint more
- Wojo thinks we could see a "huge jump" from Bailey
- Sacar might benefit most from the Hausers' transfer in terms of additional shot opportunities
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Thanks a lot for that, Pakuni. Great stuff.
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Thanks a lot for that, Pakuni. Great stuff.
Seconded. Great.
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Beat me to it, great read of the full article...which I also won’t copy and paste here.
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Well worth the $4.99/month price.
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Well worth the $4.99/month price.
Sometimes. I canceled last week but doesn’t run out until end of month. For some cities the coverage is good. Then there is Seth Davis....ugh
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I like what I read.
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Paid journalism is going to be a tough sell when a good chunk of the piece is about "Marcus" Howard...
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Paid journalism is going to be a tough sell when a good chunk of the piece is about "Marcus" Howard...
While annoying and a failure on the copy edittors part, it's on you if you are letting that get in the way of the intrinsic value of the piece both as an eye to Wojo's mindset as well as a conversation starter from a non-biased source about what next year can/should look like. I thought the comparison to Carson Edwards and Purdue was especially insightful
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I say Go suck Andy North’s kielbasa!!
Happy hour started early I see.
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Happy hour started early I see.
He needs help, and probably with more than alcoholism.
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I cannot even begin to imagine how someone could decide to post something like that. There is no point in time while typing when you think "well, maybe I shouldn't say this in a public forum". Sheesh.
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I thought that I'd suddenly been transported to a Badger Board. THAT'S how bad it was.
For those of you wondering what my and the previous posts are about, well ...you missed a doozy from Mr. Sand-Knit expressing dissatisfaction with the entire Hauser family and unsourced allegations regarding Andy North's Kielbasa which the moderators have prudently removed.
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I like what I read.
Clearly you are a Wojo apologist and slurper, so of course you liked it.
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Really seems like some good info. And before this thread turns into what I expect it does, I would say I agree. Wojo has built a real good culture. We just need to fix the no winning in March thing.
And I also agree we take Markus for granted.
And lastly the “straightforward” thinking hauser thing doesn’t surprise me. But glad it’s been said.
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Really seems like some good info. And before this thread turns into what I expect it does, I would say I agree. Wojo has built a real good culture. We just need to fix the no winning in March thing.
And I also agree we take Markus for granted.
And lastly the “straightforward” thinking hauser thing doesn’t surprise me. But glad it’s been said.
+1
Kielbasa is delicious
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I'm looking forward to the meat summit's opinions on this article
*ducks*
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The Hauser story is straight forward. They were willing to stay if Markus left. He came back, they went school shopping.
The only twist is them being brothers. Didn't the Morris brothers have issues in their youth?
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The Hauser story is straight forward. They were willing to stay if Markus left. He came back, they went school shopping.
The only twist is them being brothers. Didn't the Morris brothers have issues in their youth?
Which disproves the whole Wojo is the ultimate problem if they were willing to play for him if only someone left. I know that doesn't sync up with some opinions here, but hard not to see it any other way. Thing is, someone was going to leave and this idea that Wojo could simply make people like each other or all play nice nice is highly unlikely in today's day and age. It's also why I LOVE that players have to sit out a year to transfer. The amount of this crap that would be going on if they didn't have to, my God the first time a player went into a pouting spree they would be gone.
From what I have heard from my Milwaukee peeps / university officials is someone was going no matter. What. If MH left and Hausers stayed, then others were going. If MH stayed, Hausers gone but others now stay. Point of all this, we weren't getting out of this with everyone together and people have got to understand that. Plenty of blame if people wish to assign it, but staff, department, have moved on. Going with the folks that are here and excited about it.
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Which disproves the whole Wojo is the ultimate problem if they were willing to play for him if only someone left. I know that doesn't sync up with some opinions here, but hard not to see it any other way. Thing is, someone was going to leave and this idea that Wojo could simply make people like each other or all play nice nice is highly unlikely in today's day and age. It's also why I LOVE that players have to sit out a year to transfer. The amount of this crap that would be going on if they didn't have to, my God the first time a player went into a pouting spree they would be gone.
From what I have heard from my Milwaukee peeps / university officials is someone was going no matter. What. If MH left and Hausers stayed, then others were going. If MH stayed, Hausers gone but others now stay. Point of all this, we weren't getting out of this with everyone together and people have got to understand that. Plenty of blame if people wish to assign it, but staff, department, have moved on. Going with the folks that are here and excited about it.
Going with the folks that are here and excited about it
Damn right
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Really seems like some good info. And before this thread turns into what I expect it does, I would say I agree. Wojo has built a real good culture. We just need to fix the no winning in March thing.
And I also agree we take Markus for granted.
And lastly the “straightforward” thinking hauser thing doesn’t surprise me. But glad it’s been said.
If wojo has built a "really good culture" as you claim, how do you explain that culture that caused Hausers to leave?
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They were perfectly willing to stay if Markus left. Culture couldn't have been too bad.
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Da strength of hour teem is hour teem, aina?
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If wojo has built a "really good culture" as you claim, how do you explain that culture that caused Hausers to leave?
If you think writing a disgruntled missive challenging the authority of the head coach (where you also enlist/recruit teammates to choose sides) followed by essentially making a demand for a larger share of the spotlight....if you think that’s what winning culture is....I pity your employees and/or your employer.
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Da strength of hour teem is hour teem, aina?
Well, hour teem showed strength in mostly staying together deespite too playerz trying to stage a koo.
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Well, hour teem showed strength in mostly staying together deespite too playerz trying to stage a koo.
Post of the Spring!
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Clearly you are a Wojo apologist and slurper, so of course you liked it.
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:)
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Well, hour teem showed strength in mostly staying together deespite too playerz trying to stage a koo.
Coup coo ca Joo, Koo ku ka jue
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Well, hour teem showed strength in mostly staying together deespite too playerz trying to stage a koo.
Koo koo ka Komey, koo koo ka Klapper. Hoo new dey waz are wok onz?
Sorry four politiks - kouldn't rezist.
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I am sure most of you knobs had a kid transfer schools or a team...did you have this much angst?
MU was a more talented team with the boys here. The question is will they be a better team with them gone? Let's see who steps up.
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I am sure most of you knobs had a kid transfer schools or a team...did you have this much angst?
MU was a more talented team with the boys here. They question is will they be a better team with them gone? Let's see who steps up.
I believe the team is going to do very well this coming season. Greg and Koby will add an athletic dimension that is needed to compete in our conference. Brendan and Jamal are also both going to step up and make the most of their enhanced minutes MU will be a team full of experienced juniors and seniors . Overall the team chemistry will be enhanced.
The full season results may not reflect the teams improvement. This is because The Big East , for the most part, will be stronger. However, I believe MU will be within a couple of games of last years results in both non conference and conference.
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Someone deleted my manifesto!!
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I stand by it and look forward to the 2019-2020 season without the selfish traitors
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Someone deleted my manifesto!!
Can you repost what ever was in your manifesto. If not PM it. Thanks .
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Someone deleted my manifesto!!
So what’s the over/under on the number of misspellings, grammatical errors and terrible basketball thoughts that this screed had?
I’m going with 253.
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Really surprised it was deleted apart from referencing the kielbasa of a former two bit golfer, it was spot on truth.
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Which disproves the whole Wojo is the ultimate problem if they were willing to play for him if only someone left. I know that doesn't sync up with some opinions here, but hard not to see it any other way. Thing is, someone was going to leave and this idea that Wojo could simply make people like each other or all play nice nice is highly unlikely in today's day and age. It's also why I LOVE that players have to sit out a year to transfer. The amount of this crap that would be going on if they didn't have to, my God the first time a player went into a pouting spree they would be gone.
From what I have heard from my Milwaukee peeps / university officials is someone was going no matter. What. If MH left and Hausers stayed, then others were going. If MH stayed, Hausers gone but others now stay. Point of all this, we weren't getting out of this with everyone together and people have got to understand that. Plenty of blame if people wish to assign it, but staff, department, have moved on. Going with the folks that are here and excited about it.
I don't really care who the "others" is here, but I'm dang interested in why others would have left had MH gone and Hausers stayed. Playing time? Cohesiveness? Something I can't think of?
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Koo koo ka Komey, koo koo ka Klapper. Hoo new dey waz are wok onz?
Sorry four politiks - kouldn't rezist.
Stop the politics
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I don't really care who the "others" is here, but I'm dang interested in why others would have left had MH gone and Hausers stayed. Playing time? Cohesiveness? Something I can't think of?
They were tired of the drama.
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They were tired of the drama.
Made up BS. More shoes that will never drop. Fake News.
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They were tired of the drama.
Tired of the drama that came with being on a team with the Hausers? And not an issue with MH or Wojo?
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I am sure there were others in the locker room who didn't appreciate Markus' play style and the perceived special treatment he got (going home for the summer, media attention, etc).
I am also sure there were others in the locker room who didn't appreciate the perceived special treatment that Joey got (playing through mistakes, playing despite defensive lapses, etc).
Our players are human beings. I'm sure most of us have begrudged a teammate, coworker, or family member for getting what we perceived as special treatment at some point in our lives.
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I am sure there were others in the locker room who didn't appreciate Markus' play style and the perceived special treatment he got (going home for the summer, media attention, etc).
I am also sure there were others in the locker room who didn't appreciate the perceived special treatment that Joey got (playing through mistakes, playing despite defensive lapses, etc).
Our players are human beings. I'm sure most of us have begrudged a teammate, coworker, or family member for getting what we perceived as special treatment at some point in our lives.
From what Wojo said about him during his press conference the other week.....and the glowing praise he gave him. If all of that is true .IT SOUNDS LIKE MARKUS DESERVED IT [Special Treatment!]
Come on now.
If any of you or us who have ever been or played on sports teams, you know good and well that most of them have guys or gals who warrant, earned, and deserved "special treatment" of varying degrees or for whatever reason or another.
A University such as Marquette which had one Dwyane Wade should understand that...Markus just might be that darn good. So step your game up or get in line. That simple.
End of story!
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I am sure there were others in the locker room who didn't appreciate Markus' play style and the perceived special treatment he got (going home for the summer, media attention, etc).
I am also sure there were others in the locker room who didn't appreciate the perceived special treatment that Joey got (playing through mistakes, playing despite defensive lapses, etc).
Our players are human beings. I'm sure most of us have begrudged a teammate, coworker, or family member for getting what we perceived as special treatment at some point in our lives.
Oh....I misread the first time...
You said "I am sure". . . so this is speculative then huh? My bad I wrote my first reply as though you knew for sure that others on the team had an issue with Markus' 'special treatment' when that is not the case at all...
You are just assuming. . . ?
Please make that clear. How do you know that? They might then, have very well understood and appreciated Markus style of play and they should have.
THEY WERE WINNING, SO WHAT'S the problem? If it is as you said and you did have others who resented him when his play got them wins, then that was the problem, not Markus.
Winning solves everything. it worked, up until that dissension bubbled over and others got in their feelings who were also in the starting lineup and the season spiraled out of control. . .
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If you think writing a disgruntled missive challenging the authority of the head coach (where you also enlist/recruit teammates to choose sides) followed by essentially making a demand for a larger share of the spotlight....if you think that’s what winning culture is....I pity your employees and/or your employer.
Got nothing to do with thinking ofwriting a disgruntled missive. We do not even know if that is true. Question not answered
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Oh....I misread the first time...
You said "I am sure". . . so this is speculative then huh? My bad I wrote my first reply as though you knew for sure that others on the team had an issue with Markus' 'special treatment' when that is not the case at all...
You are just assuming. . . ?
Please make that clear. How do you know that? They might then, have very well understood and appreciated Markus style of play and they should have.
THEY WERE WINNING, SO WHAT'S the problem? If it is as you said and you did have others who resented him when his play got them wins, then that was the problem, not Markus.
Winning solves everything. it worked, up until that dissension bubbled over and others got in their feelings who were also in the starting lineup and the season spiraled out of control. . .
It's really becoming tough on this site to tell when someone's really that obtuse or just acting sarcastically aggrieved.
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I wonder why The Athletic suddenly decided to do a fluff piece on Wojo?
This board has never been dumber.
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I wonder why The Athletic suddenly decided to do a fluff piece on Wojo?
This board has never been dumber.
Enlighten us.
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It's really becoming tough on this site to tell when someone's really that obtuse or just acting sarcastically aggrieved.
I am outraged that you said this.
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I am outraged that you said this.
I'm outraged at the outrage
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I wonder why The Athletic suddenly decided to do a fluff piece on Wojo?
This board has never been dumber.
Because a coach getting a new contract is a good time to reevaluate the state of the program? Or, the even more likely reason of attracting clicks & driving traffic to their website? 😱
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I wonder why The Athletic suddenly decided to do a fluff piece on Wojo?
This board has never been dumber.
They also had a Wojo story at the beginning of last season. What is your theory behind that one?
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They also had a Wojo story at the beginning of last season. What is your theory behind that one?
Same as the Hauser's Story, People see. hear what they want to see, hear and put it in the oven and it comes out Fine.
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Made up BS. More shoes that will never drop. Fake News.
Not made up per those people, but that's fine.
Plenty of shoes dropped and a few things that were terrible that never did. Oh well.
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I wonder why The Athletic suddenly decided to do a fluff piece on Wojo?
This board has never been dumber.
Simple. Media Relations team doing their job, which is what they are supposed to do. Good article about our coach and program. You can be cynical all you want, that is your right. For the average fan that doesn't dig too deep into this stuff, it will play well. In the MU community, the anti-Wojo folks will find a way to of course continue to blame him 99% to 100%, and others less so. That won't change at all.
Now, the more interesting questions are the various articles on Wojo throughout the year, before anyone transferred......not local articles, but outside Milwaukee....those were also done for some reason....likely to promote Marquette basketball and media relations team, again, doing their job.
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They also had a Wojo story at the beginning of last season. What is your theory behind that one?
Which was just as puffy. I remember being mad that they didn't address any defensive problems, just focused on Fiserv.
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I wonder why The Athletic suddenly decided to do a fluff piece on Wojo?
This board has never been dumber.
The Athletic has covered MU quite a bit over the past year, one of the reasons I subscribed. This is nothing new.
And is you'd read the story, you'd know it wasn't a fluff piece.
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Same as the Hauser's Story, People see. hear what they want to see, hear and put it in the oven and it comes out Fine.
Wut.
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And is you'd read the story, you'd know it wasn't a fluff piece.
I did read it. Glad to see he’s almost done watching all our games from last year. If he’s not careful he’s gonna work himself to death.
Thank God for hot yoga.
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Plenty of shoes dropped and a few things that were terrible that never did. Oh well.
I mean, seriously, you wonder why you continue to get crap about this. 6ish years past and we still haven't heard about these "terrible" things.
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When do the Barca games begin?
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Good stuff...
To me, like I told you all and mentioned one or two times before and it is something that I missed too, at first.
It was not Marcus' ball hogging and his bad shot selection and hero ball that was the problem, even though in some games and to many people even in this forum it may have seemed that way. . .
It was the play of the Chartouny kid.
Had he played better or worth why they got him....then everything and everyone else would have fit in place.
It came down to Greg's injury, and his lackluster play at PG, and the fact that McEwen was a red-shirt and Markus to having to play with the ball and it forced him to handle the ball too much, and made him to be the decision maker instead of just an elite and pure ball distributor, when in his eyes his decision and best option when they needed a bucket was . . . HIMSELF....
And with good reason. He is a fantastic scorer. That is not Wojo's fault. Or Markus's per se. That is how it played out on the court and what his stage of development and or limitations of others got them.
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I mean, seriously, you wonder why you continue to get crap about this. 6ish years past and we still haven't heard about these "terrible" things.
I give not one shat. There are plenty that know what I speak of. Thank God he is gone.
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I mean, seriously, you wonder why you continue to get crap about this. 6ish years past and we still haven't heard about these "terrible" things.
Thirty some years ago Geraldo Rivera hosted a 2 hour special on network television in which the secrets in Al Capone's vault were to be revealed. Geraldo interviewed all sorts of "experts" who offered opinions and speculations as to what the vault contained. Millions in cash, dead bodies, etc., - Geraldo and his insiders made wild predictions. After two hours of hype and bogus promises the vault was opened and (drum roll) they found a few empty bottles. Buzz's "Vault of Other Shoes" has proven to be just as empty. Only difference is after 5 years of lies and broken promises our very own Geraldo still insists he's got the goods. Funny stuff.
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I give not one shat. There are plenty that know what I speak of. Thank God he is gone.
I have some insight on Bert's tenure and the real issue wasn't the Stapleton event. It was the pernicious lowering of admission standards.
Let's face it: Jae Crowder had no business getting in the door. But if we are honest about it I will admit to being damn glad Crowder laced 'em up for Marquette.
Bert wasn't here to recruit future Nobel laureates. His job was to field the most competitive, well-prepared basketball team he could. Several of his recruits were unqualified academically. And Williams kept lowering the bar.
But Crowder flourished at Marquette. He went to class, he followed the rules and today he makes us proud to bear the title Marquette alum, both on and off the court.
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I have some insight on Bert's tenure and the real issue wasn't the Stapleton event. It was the pernicious lowering of admission standards.
Let's face it: Jae Crowder had no business getting in the door. But if we are honest about it I will admit to being damn glad Crowder laced 'em up for Marquette.
Bert wasn't here to recruit future Nobel laureates. His job was to field the most competitive, well-prepared basketball team he could. Several of his recruits were unqualified academically. And Williams kept lowering the bar.
But Crowder flourished at Marquette. He went to class, he followed the rules and today he makes us proud to bear the title Marquette alum, both on and off the court.
What an novel concept!!
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I give not one shat. There are plenty that know what I speak of. Thank God he is gone.
No idea if they are true or not but I too have heard things which I assume is what Chicos is referencing.
I’ll take Wojo any day.
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What an novel concept!!
It wasn’t a novel concept at Marquette, except Bazz ruined it.
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Thirty some years ago Geraldo Rivera hosted a 2 hour special on network television in which the secrets in Al Capone's vault were to be revealed. Geraldo interviewed all sorts of "experts" who offered opinions and speculations as to what the vault contained. Millions in cash, dead bodies, etc., - Geraldo and his insiders made wild predictions. After two hours of hype and bogus promises the vault was opened and (drum roll) they found a few empty bottles. Buzz's "Vault of Other Shoes" has proven to be just as empty. Only difference is after 5 years of lies and broken promises our very own Geraldo still insists he's got the goods. Funny stuff.
LOL. Many of the shoes dropped, he gone. Geraldo struck out completely, exactly like you did with your preposterous claim that Georgetown pressured Sam Hauser in that game....literally DID NOT HAPPEN.
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I have some insight on Bert's tenure and the real issue wasn't the Stapleton event. It was the pernicious lowering of admission standards.
Let's face it: Jae Crowder had no business getting in the door. But if we are honest about it I will admit to being damn glad Crowder laced 'em up for Marquette.
Bert wasn't here to recruit future Nobel laureates. His job was to field the most competitive, well-prepared basketball team he could. Several of his recruits were unqualified academically. And Williams kept lowering the bar.
But Crowder flourished at Marquette. He went to class, he followed the rules and today he makes us proud to bear the title Marquette alum, both on and off the court.
What I am referencing has nothing to do with Jae, but other players that don't make us proud one bit, or the actions it took to get them to MU in the first place as well as their behavior at school and out of school. Some of which have never come to light.
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What an novel concept!!
The irony....your boy ruined it. His staff couldn't tell the truth, some of his players couldn't follow the rules and way beyond, and some of the guys he "recruited" ......well let's just say your guy ruined it. If the university over rotated, it is because of what went down when he was the CEO of the program. The irony.....but of course you and others blame the school, not the actual fools that committed the various acts that led to clamp down. Amazing.
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LOL. Many of the shoes dropped, he gone. Geraldo struck out completely, exactly like you did with your preposterous claim that Georgetown pressured Sam Hauser in that game....literally DID NOT HAPPEN.
1. LOL. He was already gone when you lied about other shoes that would drop that haven't .
2. Sam Hauser played the point against Georgetown's man to man defense. Every point that plays against a man to man is by definition "pressured". Not pressed, not doubled, but pressured.
3.You have harped (wrongly) on this minuscule point in post after post. Weird. How does it feel to have me living inside your brain? Where's Fluffy?
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1. LOL. He was already gone when you lied about other shoes that would drop that haven't .
2. Sam Hauser played the point against Georgetown's man to man defense. Every point that plays against a man to man is by definition "pressured". Not pressed, not doubled, but pressured.
3.You have harped (wrongly) on this minuscule point in post after post. Weird. How does it feel to have me living inside your brain? Where's Fluffy?
Press is short for pressured. So, there's that.
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Press is short for pressured. So, there's that.
Yeah. Otherwise we’d be saying “Theo (or Ed, or any post player) really handled that press well!” any time they dribble the ball and don’t turn it over. I mean, it’s not like defenders in the post just loosen up their defense and give them a bunch of space...
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Sam and Sacar did a nice job handling the basketball in the game at Georgetown, Lenny. No need to make it some kind of Herculian feat. Not sure why Georgetown didn't really challenge them much, but they didn't and I'm glad about that. Much more impressed with Sam's 31 points, his good shooting and his 8 rebs in that game. Also got great contributions from Sacar, Theo and Bailey in that game. I'm not saying that Sam and Sacar didn't do fine with the ball -- in fact, I have said they did multiple times -- just that it wasn't some incredible feat of handling the rock under intense pressure. They did their jobs. Sam almost always did his job, and did it well.
What I like is that in the next 4 games after Markus returned, Sam averaged 21 points and shot incredibly well. Playing alongside Markus didn't stop Sam from getting touches, playing well and helping us win game after game. Indeed, Markus being back and playing well opened things up for Sam (and vice versa).
The season went to shyte in the final minutes of the game at Nova and all of them -- Markus, Sam, Joey, Wojo, all of 'em -- were part of the collapse in the weeks that followed. Starting with that dreadful loss to Creighton in the next game, Sam shot 29 for 76 over the final 3 weeks -- 38%. Markus didn't light it up most of the time, either, and obviously we know that Joey disappeared into the abyss. Plenty of "blame" to go around, and that includes the coach.
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Sam and Sacar did a nice job handling the basketball in the game at Georgetown, Lenny. No need to make it some kind of Herculian feat. Not sure why Georgetown didn't really challenge them much, but they didn't and I'm glad about that. Much more impressed with Sam's 31 points, his good shooting and his 8 rebs in that game. Also got great contributions from Sacar, Theo and Bailey in that game. I'm not saying that Sam and Sacar didn't do fine with the ball -- in fact, I have said they did multiple times -- just that it wasn't some incredible feat of handling the rock under intense pressure. They did their jobs. Sam almost always did his job, and did it well.
Who ever made it a (sic) "Herculian" feat? Who said it was "an INCREDIBLE feat of handling the rock under INTENSE pressure?
He became our primary ball handler (something heretofore foreign to him) against a man to man defense and he handled that pressure admirably - certainly better than our usual point guards often did. That is all.
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The season went to shyte in the final minutes of the game at Nova and all of them -- Markus, Sam, Joey, Wojo, all of 'em -- were part of the collapse in the weeks that followed. Starting with that dreadful loss to Creighton in the next game, Sam shot 29 for 76 over the final 3 weeks -- 38%. Markus didn't light it up most of the time, either, and obviously we know that Joey disappeared into the abyss. Plenty of "blame" to go around, and that includes the coach.
So Sam was bad, Joey disappeared into the abyss and Markus "didn't light it up most of the time" during the collapse? Final 7 game numbers from the field - Sam 34-85, 40% efg% 51.2% Joey 20-51, 39.2% efg% 46.1% Markus 47-133, 35.3% efg% 42.8%. Agree there was plenty of blame to go around but let's be honest about it, too.
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3.You have harped (wrongly) on this minuscule point in post after post. Weird. How does it feel to have me living inside your brain? Where's Fluffy?
He did the EXACT same thing to me when I pointed out, accurately, that Steve Novak never really developed into anything more than a spot up shooter. And that was fine. He didn’t have to. But Chicos believes if he keeps saying the same things over and over and over again that he will magically become correct. Like when he gets indignant at the suggestion that he’s got multiple accounts when he’s done it many times over.
By the way, Novak is one of my top 5 favorites of all time.
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2. Sam Hauser played the point against Georgetown's man to man defense. Every point that plays against a man to man is by definition "pressured". Not pressed, not doubled, but pressured.
3.You have harped (wrongly) on this minuscule point in post after post. Weird. How does it feel to have me living inside your brain? Where's Fluffy?
He’s right. Your point on #2 is laughable and you just don’t want to admit you were wrong.
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He did the EXACT same thing to me when I pointed out, accurately, that Steve Novak never really developed into anything more than a spot up shooter. And that was fine. He didn’t have to. But Chicos believes if he keeps saying the same things over and over and over again that he will magically become correct. Like when he gets indignant at the suggestion that he’s got multiple accounts when he’s done it many times over.
By the way, Novak is one of my top 5 favorites of all time.
Novak developed a pretty good long 2 game as well.
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Novak developed a pretty good long 2 game as well.
Novak was awesome! He just couldn’t put it on the floor...but like I said he didn’t have to. Phenomenal career!
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He’s right. Your point on #2 is laughable and you just don’t want to admit you were wrong.
Was 99.9% sure I was right. Thanks for making it 100%.
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So Sam was bad, Joey disappeared into the abyss and Markus "didn't light it up most of the time" during the collapse? Final 7 game numbers from the field - Sam 34-85, 40% efg% 51.2% Joey 20-51, 39.2% efg% 46.1% Markus 47-133, 35.3% efg% 42.8%. Agree there was plenty of blame to go around but let's be honest about it, too.
Good stats, Lenny. Thanks. The ones I mentioned are valid too. Like you, I was a big fan of Sam ... when he was a Warrior.
Chicos believes if he keeps saying the same things over and over and over again that he will magically become correct.
It is a favorite ploy of chicos and other poor debaters.
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Good stats, Lenny. Thanks. The ones I mentioned are valid too. Like you, I was a big fan of Sam ... when he was a Warrior.
It is a favorite ploy of chicos and other poor debaters.
Back in the Dark Ages of the Mike Juno board there was a guy who created several accounts and would actually log in and out of them to post support for his arguments. I thought was the height of weirdness.
Juno caught him and publicly shamed him. I don't remember his name but he was a fixture on Dodds' board after the Dodds Coup.
Makes me think of how Dodds was butt buddies with Juno until he had opportunity to do his own thing. Once he defected from the Juno site, Mike was PNG. Dodds actually deleted any references to other Marquette boards.
Same with IWB - the guy who had more contacts than Bausch and Lomb. When #donedeal set up his own board Dodds cut the guy off.
What a strange f#ck.
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Back in the Dark Ages of the Mike Juno board there was a guy who created several accounts and would actually log in and out of them to post support for his arguments. I thought was the height of weirdness.
Juno caught him and publicly shamed him. I don't remember his name but he was a fixture on Dodds' board after the Dodds Coup.
Makes me think of how Dodds was butt buddies with Juno until he had opportunity to do his own thing. Once he defected from the Juno site, Mike was PNG. Dodds actually deleted any references to other Marquette boards.
Same with IWB - the guy who had more contacts than Bausch and Lomb. When #donedeal set up his own board Dodds cut the guy off.
What a strange f#ck.
Dodds is a tough task master. When one post's on that board, they cannot stray far from the company line. Only a handful are allowed to post moderately dissenting opinions.
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Was 99.9% sure I was right. Thanks for making it 100%.
LOL
Yup, keep swinging there. It is why so many are calling you out for your pressure comment. Fluffy and I the same? LOL. You may want to read a little posting history there....your paranoia is reaching fever pitch of late.
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Dodds is a tough task master. When one post's on that board, they cannot stray far from the company line. Only a handful are allowed to post moderately dissenting opinions.
LOL. Half that board is people picking fights with Dodds.
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LOL
Yup, keep swinging there. It is why so many are calling you out for your pressure comment. Fluffy and I the same? LOL. You may want to read a little posting history there....your paranoia is reaching fever pitch of late.
Read PRN's post. He, I and most others here have you figured out. You're a dishonest debater, always have been. You'll find a supporter here and there - even the most outrageous do. How many of them are merely alter egos I don't know and don't care.
Carry on.
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Todd Mayo...Jae Crowder
I get a kick out of how it’s ok to admit a C+ student like Chris Crawford, but it’s “terrible” to admit a D+ student. What’s the difference? Both are well below the average MU student.
Terrible. Lol.
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Todd Mayo...Jae Crowder
I get a kick out of how it’s ok to admit a C+ student like Chris Crawford, but it’s “terrible” to admit a D+ student. What’s the difference? Both are well below the average MU student.
Terrible. Lol.
One graduates and the other doesn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Back in the Dark Ages of the Mike Juno board there was a guy who created several accounts and would actually log in and out of them to post support for his arguments. I thought was the height of weirdness.
Sort of like MUFINY and Gus Ganakas?
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Todd Mayo...Jae Crowder
I get a kick out of how it’s ok to admit a C+ student like Chris Crawford, but it’s “terrible” to admit a D+ student. What’s the difference? Both are well below the average MU student.
Terrible. Lol.
Is that a serious question?
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Is that a serious question?
yes. Why is "not quite qualified" better for you that "not qualified"?
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yes. Why is "not quite qualified" better for you that "not qualified"?
You asked "what's the difference?" even though the difference between C+ and D+ is quite clear. Not a very good look if you didn't understand that.
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Lenny, I stopped reading PRN when he said Markus was a cancer. If ever someone was out of touch.
I realize you think saint Buzz did nothing wrong, but the irony is your boy and the actions of his players and staff put us in the position we are in....yet some of you refuse to assign the blame. Hilarious.
Meanwhile, I’ll cheer hard for MH as a young man that seemingly we can be proud of.
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Todd Mayo...Jae Crowder
I get a kick out of how it’s ok to admit a C+ student like Chris Crawford, but it’s “terrible” to admit a D+ student. What’s the difference? Both are well below the average MU student.
Terrible. Lol.
C+ student is passing and just slightly under a B.
D+ isn’t evening a passing grade for a major and credits below C don’t transfer at many schools. Huge difference in my opinion.
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Dodds is a tough task master. When one post's on that board, they cannot stray far f
rom the company line. Only a handful are allowed to post moderately dissenting opinions.
dodds still has a board? I'll be damned.
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C+ student is passing and just slightly under a B.
D+ isn’t evening a passing grade for a major and credits below C don’t transfer at many schools. Huge difference in my opinion.
What about a C/D?
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LOL. Half that board is people picking fights with Dodds.
It is oddly entertaining watching him squirm his way through his canned excuses over and over again.
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Todd Mayo...Jae Crowder
I get a kick out of how it’s ok to admit a C+ student like Chris Crawford, but it’s “terrible” to admit a D+ student. What’s the difference? Both are well below the average MU student.
Terrible. Lol.
Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? D Wade
#2? Jae Crowder.
Best 2 things (IMHO) to happen to MU hoops in the last 20 years? D Wade and Jae Crowder.
Guys like that will never get in going forward, though, and for some that's a cause for celebration. Their precious degrees (never elite in the first place) won't be diminished by such riffraff. Sigh.
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Lenny,
I agree that is a shame. Those players bring value to a university. If they are good people and earnest about getting their education started they are as valuable or more valuable to the University than a straight A student. Good people should be given a chance. An MU degree is valuable and can elevate young men and women to be better people and more productive citizens.
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Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? D Wade
#2? Jae Crowder.
Best 2 things (IMHO) to happen to MU hoops in the last 20 years? D Wade and Jae Crowder.
Guys like that will never get in going forward, though, and for some that's a cause for celebration. Their precious degrees (never elite in the first place) won't be diminished by such riffraff. Sigh.
Love Crowder but the difference is that coaching staff didn't completely disclosed that Crowder basically had no chance to graduate. Wade's case was different, administration knew that he would not qualify and basically had to become academically eligible by his own effort. Different situations / conditions.
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Love Crowder but the difference is that coaching staff didn't completely disclosed that Crowder basically had no chance to graduate. Wade's case was different, administration knew that he would not qualify and basically had to become academically eligible by his own effort. Different situations / conditions.
This is why we feel so much better about Henry Ellenson—had a chance to graduate right?
Also do we ensure all our grad transfers graduate on-time?
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This is why we feel so much better about Henry Ellenson—had a chance to graduate right?
Also do we ensure all our grad transfers graduate on-time?
Exactly, Frenns. One can make the argument that Crowder had no business being at Marquette - or an even stronger one that D Wade didn't. Those people would be douches, though.
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This is why we feel so much better about Henry Ellenson—had a chance to graduate right?
Again different circumstances no information withheld, no APR hit. Maybe smoke & mirrors.....
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Again different circumstances no information withheld, no APR hit. Maybe smoke & mirrors.....
We can walk and chew gum without dealing with absolutes. I’m pretty confident that we can take a Jae Crowder without blowing APR if managed appropriately.
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Love Crowder but the difference is that coaching staff didn't completely disclosed that Crowder basically had no chance to graduate. Wade's case was different, administration knew that he would not qualify and basically had to become academically eligible by his own effort. Different situations / conditions.
Love ya Newsie. But, during Crean, athletics admissions was switched out of AD. Both MU and the NCAA Clearinghouse passed Jae and his deficiencies were well known and public. The same group passed the same protocols on ND Prep (specialized in LD) players including Beasley, Paul Harris, Lazar and Todd. When Cassell's kid came up from ND Prep, the shyt hit the fan with the new regime.
Lazar, Jae and Todd still haven't graduated. Junior did. Junior is the least wealthy.
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Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? Dwade.
False statement on every level
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False statement on every level
Not by ACT score
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Not by ACT score
He said categorically the most unqualified person admitted to MU in the last 20 years. That is a false statement. I can tell you if one person admitted because of a favor of a Sr VP of the university that wasn’t close. The person didn’t last three weeks. Functionally illiterate.
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Love ya Newsie. But, during Crean, athletics admissions was switched out of AD. Both MU and the NCAA Clearinghouse passed Jae and his deficiencies were well known and public. The same group passed the same protocols on ND Prep (specialized in LD) players including Beasley, Paul Harris, Lazar and Todd. When Cassell's kid came up from ND Prep, the shyt hit the fan with the new regime.
Lazar, Jae and Todd still haven't graduated. Junior did. Junior is the least wealthy.
So the information that he was never going to graduate was not fully disclosed is incorrect? Thought that was one of the main issues why Jucos became a problem with Buzz.
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Not by ACT score
Right. Least qualified freshman admitted to MU per ACT score in at least the last 20 years.
Not counting the one guy Cheeks made up who evidently doesn't have a name, date or ACT score attached to him.
And of course I'm not "backtracking". I was basing my statement on his ACT score all along - which of course Chico knew.
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Right. Least qualified freshman admitted to MU per ACT score in at least the last 20 years.
Also a statement you don’t know to be true, but throw it out there anyway....hmmm you accuse others of that....remember....but nice to see you backtracking.
Yes, some kids perform poorly on standardized tests and this has been known for the last 40 years.
http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/168533026.html
One of the reasons the College Board made the SAT change announcement last week.
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So Cheeks, who was more qualified Lazar or Todd? Be careful on your answer.
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Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? D Wade.
False statement on every level
This video reminds me of Chicos Bail Bonds and Lennys Tap debating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdKCFFR3I
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“Meanwhile, Id’ll cheer hard for MH as a young man that seemingly we can be proud of.”
I’ll cheer for Markus as well. Now whether or not I do it as amorously as you ....I don’t see how that’s anyone’s damn business.
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This video reminds me of Chicos Bail Bonds and Lennys Tap debating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdKCFFR3I
(https://media.giphy.com/media/c4t11obaChpu0/giphy.gif)
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Back to the Athletic article...
Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be. Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?
If you read between the lines of this article, I think you’ll notice that there’s a gradual sea change going on. Wojo and the Athletic Department *are* now touting what great human beings their players are and how successful they’ve been in the community and classroom, and they’re saying things like, “We believe the winning will come, even though it hasn’t happened yet.” Wojo even said something to the effect of, “I was hired to run a program that represents the university well.” Hell, the last paragraph pretty much states that if you don’t like the direction of the program, then too bad, because that’s the way things are going to be.
My main takeaway from this article is that Wojo’s seat isn’t remotely hot. And if it gets hot, he’ll be replaced with another guy who will achieve slightly-better-than-Deane results. That’s what we’ve gotten and that’s what we’ll continue to get with the current administration. They’ve just been slow to let us know about it.
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Back to the Athletic article...
Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be. Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?
Why do you act like these are mutually exclusive options?
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Why do you act like these are mutually exclusive options?
They’re not, but let’s be honest: Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope. I don’t think we have one.
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They’re not, but let’s be honest: Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope. I don’t think we have one.
Who are these select few?
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They’re not, but let’s be honest: Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope. I don’t think we have one.
I really don't think that's the case at all. I think there are plenty of coaches who win with players who are both good at basketball and represent their university well.
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The irony....your boy ruined it. His staff couldn't tell the truth, some of his players couldn't follow the rules and way beyond, and some of the guys he "recruited" ......well let's just say your guy ruined it. If the university over rotated, it is because of what went down when he was the CEO of the program. The irony.....but of course you and others blame the school, not the actual fools that committed the various acts that led to clamp down. Amazing.
Can you finally just tell us all the stories - and you don't have to name specific names, I'd just like to know actions - that aren't already public knowledge?
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Back to the Athletic article...
Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be. Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?
If you read between the lines of this article, I think you’ll notice that there’s a gradual sea change going on. Wojo and the Athletic Department *are* now touting what great human beings their players are and how successful they’ve been in the community and classroom, and they’re saying things like, “We believe the winning will come, even though it hasn’t happened yet.” Wojo even said something to the effect of, “I was hired to run a program that represents the university well.” Hell, the last paragraph pretty much states that if you don’t like the direction of the program, then too bad, because that’s the way things are going to be.
My main takeaway from this article is that Wojo’s seat isn’t remotely hot. And if it gets hot, he’ll be replaced with another guy who will achieve slightly-better-than-Deane results. That’s what we’ve gotten and that’s what we’ll continue to get with the current administration. They’ve just been slow to let us know about it.
Or, you could actually just read the lines of this article and understand that they want to win at the highest level while maintaining the culture of Marquette.
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Back to the Athletic article...
Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be. Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?
If you read between the lines of this article, I think you’ll notice that there’s a gradual sea change going on. Wojo and the Athletic Department *are* now touting what great human beings their players are and how successful they’ve been in the community and classroom, and they’re saying things like, “We believe the winning will come, even though it hasn’t happened yet.” Wojo even said something to the effect of, “I was hired to run a program that represents the university well.” Hell, the last paragraph pretty much states that if you don’t like the direction of the program, then too bad, because that’s the way things are going to be.
My main takeaway from this article is that Wojo’s seat isn’t remotely hot. And if it gets hot, he’ll be replaced with another guy who will achieve slightly-better-than-Deane results. That’s what we’ve gotten and that’s what we’ll continue to get with the current administration. They’ve just been slow to let us know about it.
By finishing second in the Big East, defeating cross state rival 3rd time in four years, defeating the Big 12 champ, knocking off Buffalo, beating the defending national champion, earning a five seed in the ncaa tournament, etc, etc are you saying we aren’t competing with the big boys?
This is where I have to keep scratching my head, apparently any successes we have in the regular season don’t count, any big wins have an *, and can be excused away as not being competitive.
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They’re not, but let’s be honest: Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope. I don’t think we have one.
Bullshyte
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Can you finally just tell us all the stories - and you don't have to name specific names, I'd just like to know actions - that aren't already public knowledge?
He doesn’t have any stories. Chicos/Hoopaloop worked at MU when Mike Deane was coach but claims to have “sources” telling him insider trading information. I have a hard time believing there are still people in the athletic department from when he worked there that would even share their library card with the guy considering everybody knows who he is and knows he’s practically unhinged on this board and others. It’s all an act. Freeway is more discreet.
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He doesn’t have any stories. Chicos/Hoopaloop worked at MU when Mike Deane was coach but claims to have “sources” telling him insider trading information. I have a hard time believing there are still people in the athletic department from when he worked there that would even share their library card with the guy considering everybody knows who he is and knows he’s practically unhinged on this board and others. It’s all an act. Freeway is more discreet.
I worked during for Deane and Crean. Still have friends at university and lots that worked in athletics that are still well connected, worked through Crean and Buzz. That’s not really the point, but deciding what is discreet from someone that called Howard a cancer (you said that) is absolutely amazing.
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He doesn’t have any stories. Chicos/Hoopaloop worked at MU when Mike Deane was coach but claims to have “sources” telling him insider trading information. I have a hard time believing there are still people in the athletic department from when he worked there that would even share their library card with the guy considering everybody knows who he is and knows he’s practically unhinged on this board and others. It’s all an act. Freeway is more discreet.
Put the emperor who wore no clothes...Jon Lovitz as "The Liar"..and Geraldo Rivera at the gates of Al Capone's vault...in a blender.
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Back to the Athletic article...
Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be. Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?
If you read between the lines of this article, I think you’ll notice that there’s a gradual sea change going on. Wojo and the Athletic Department *are* now touting what great human beings their players are and how successful they’ve been in the community and classroom, and they’re saying things like, “We believe the winning will come, even though it hasn’t happened yet.” Wojo even said something to the effect of, “I was hired to run a program that represents the university well.” Hell, the last paragraph pretty much states that if you don’t like the direction of the program, then too bad, because that’s the way things are going to be.
My main takeaway from this article is that Wojo’s seat isn’t remotely hot. And if it gets hot, he’ll be replaced with another guy who will achieve slightly-better-than-Deane results. That’s what we’ve gotten and that’s what we’ll continue to get with the current administration. They’ve just been slow to let us know about it.
I think both goals are attainable but have doubts that Wojo reach them. Wright and Few have done both although it took quite a few years (no pun intended). While Cheeks correctly pointed out that Marquette had it's share of successes this past season, I think his asterick comment should be attached to his 2nd place BE conference remark. Yes, we finished second but all Marquette had to do was win 1 of the last 4 games to tie for first. At 12-6, I thought we would at the very least win our 2 home games against opponents whom we defeated on the road and finish in sole possession of first place. Put in this context, I think the 2nd place finish has lost much of its shine.
Neither Wojo's high water mark of 23-4 nor the following tailspin should be dismissed. This season Wojo will need to work with 4-5 guys who were not on last season's team, adjust for the loss of the Hausers' scoring (and, thankfully, not be burdened by Joey's so-called defense), and land great recruits to prepare for the following season's absence of Markus and others. I want very much to be proven wrong but I am skeptical that Wojo is the guy to continue Marquette's projectory. I agree his seat is not even slightly warm and considering the record, as much as I really hate putting the 23-4 and 1-6 in a blender, it should not be.
I agree with your reading between the lines, but having a clean program and a highly successful one are not mutually exclusive or even all that rare. Unfortunately, Wojo seems to have a very long leash and will survive a disappointing season(s).
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He doesn’t have any stories. Chicos/Hoopaloop worked at MU when Mike Deane was coach but claims to have “sources” telling him insider trading information. I have a hard time believing there are still people in the athletic department from when he worked there that would even share their library card with the guy considering everybody knows who he is and knows he’s practically unhinged on this board and others. It’s all an act. Freeway is more discreet.
legit lol