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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NCMUFan on May 13, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
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I was watching the last 2 minutes of the 1977 NCAA championship game on YouTube and the announcers were discussing the type of players Al McGuire would recruit.
Al said that with the game 40 minutes with 10 players that each player only gets 4 minutes with the ball and he would recruit player based on what they did in the other 36 minutes.
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I think that is where Wojo goes wrong. He is always trying to recruit shooters. His teams have been very good offensively, but his players has been bad defensively. Generally, good shooters are not bangers. Bernard Toone could shoot and he was quick and athletic. However, he drove McGuire crazy, because he could not get him to bang inside.
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MU was a pretty good defensive team this past season.
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MU was a pretty good defensive team this past season.
Not in the NCAA tournament. They could not get out to cover the open three point shooters. The Big East was pretty weak this year, which helps to skew the defensive statistics.
They also could not stop guards like Ponds and Powell.
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Not in the NCAA tournament. They could not get out to cover the open three point shooters. The Big East was pretty weak this year, which helps to skew the defensive statistics.
They were a good defensive team this year regardless of the ncaa tournament.
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They were bad in the tournament because of Ja Morant. And a lack of guards.
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They were bad in the tournament because of Ja Morant. And a lack of guards.
And a bad defensive game plan. And a lousy performance from our 43% usage guy. And a lousy performance by our supporting cast (other than Sam).
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Don't exempt Sam. MU struggled down the stretch against guards with size attacking relentlessly. Ja was simply a continuation of that and the best of the bunch. He was the reason I predicted a double digits loss. Had I known the Hausers had chosen to attack Wojo and Markus with a letter, I would have predicted a 20 point loss.
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whole different game now-3 point shot, shot clock, much more physical, etc etc. al employed a 4-corners offense quite often. that required good, patient ball handlers, not shooters
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Not in the NCAA tournament. They could not get out to cover the open three point shooters. The Big East was pretty weak this year, which helps to skew the defensive statistics.
They also could not stop guards like Ponds and Powell.
Yes, but that same team also beat Louisville, Kansas State, Buffalo, Wisconsin that aren't in the Big East. Gave KU fits in the first half. I get what you are saying, but the game of basketball has changed a ton. Shooters win teams a lot of games these days. Tough to find good shooters who also are athletic enough to play with elite athletes on the opposite side. Usually have to pick your poison on that front.
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Yes, but that same team also beat Louisville, Kansas State, Buffalo, Wisconsin that aren't in the Big East.
What month did we beat Louisville, Kansas St, Buffalo and Wisconsin?
What month were we destroyed by Murray St?
When did we beat Georgetown on the road without our 2nd team All American Big East POY? When did we lose to them on our home court at full strength?
This really isn't all that complicated.
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What month did we beat Louisville, Kansas St, Buffalo and Wisconsin?
What month were we destroyed by Murray St?
When did we beat Georgetown on the road without our 2nd team All American Big East POY? When did we lose to them on our home court at full strength?
This really isn't all that complicated.
Man this Cheeks guy really resides inside your brain.
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Man this Cheeks guy really resides inside your brain.
Man, you are totally obsessed by this lunacy. Another alter ego?
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Man, you are totally obsessed by this lunacy. Another alter ego?
Wait, is Fluffy now Chicos too? Because looking at his post history, Fluffy is definitely not Chicos.
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And a bad defensive game plan. And a lousy performance from our 43% usage guy. And a lousy performance by our supporting cast (other than Sam).
Are you actually saying Sam had a good game against Murray State? If so, you have lost all credibility.
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Man, you are totally obsessed by this lunacy. Another alter ego?
No, I just don't understand why you just can't let it go. If Chicos said the grass is green, you'd post incessantly about how the grass is actually a shade of kelly green. The guy bothers you so much that you just can't let the littlest thing go and every detail, no matter how small and inconsequential, must be challenged. It's really pathetic.
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No, I just don't understand why you just can't let it go. If Chicos said the grass is green, you'd post incessantly about how the grass is actually a shade of kelly green. The guy bothers you so much that you just can't let the littlest thing go and every detail, no matter how small and inconsequential, must be challenged. It's really pathetic.
Careful. He’ll review your post history and make derogatory comments about it. Lol.
The guy is completely obsessed.
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No, I just don't understand why you just can't let it go. If Chicos said the grass is green, you'd post incessantly about how the grass is actually a shade of kelly green. The guy bothers you so much that you just can't let the littlest thing go and every detail, no matter how small and inconsequential, must be challenged. It's really pathetic.
thank you fluff !!
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And a bad defensive game plan.
I'm sorry, but that's plain ignorant. The defensive game plan was sound: shut down Morant and dare them to shoot from the outside. Any coach with an IQ > a carrot would have drawn up the exact same plan with this team.
Murray State was better than Steph Curry from 3-pt land, let alone what they were relative to their performance over the prior 4+ months. Even if executed perfectly (which, of course, we didn't), not even Virginia beats Murray State in the 1st round.
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Wait, is Fluffy now Chicos too? Because looking at his post history, Fluffy is definitely not Chicos.
Don't underestimate anyone around here pulling the long-con.
After all, the tools to cross-reference IP's and detect "multiple-personalities" is already built into the Scoop software... which begs the question, if someone has all the answers, what are they trying to hide?
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Don't underestimate anyone around here pulling the long-con.
After all, the tools to cross-reference IP's and detect "multiple-personalities" is already built into the Scoop software... which begs the question, if someone has all the answers, what are they trying to hide?
Are you saying...Hilltoppers is Chico’s?
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Not in the NCAA tournament. They could not get out to cover the open three point shooters. The Big East was pretty weak this year, which helps to skew the defensive statistics.
They also could not stop guards like Ponds and Powell.
Big East was down (I actually started a question to Jay Wright after they were blown out with "did the fact that the whole big East was down this year keep your team from being prepared for Purdue's level of play?"). However, the ranking as 45th best defensive rating adjusts for level of offenses faced.
It seems to me we hit two incredible star players - Thornwell last appearance, who was the best college players, and Morant who should be the no. 2 NBA pick. Id say maybe we don't do well against the one great player, but I thought we played Ben Simmons tough.
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Don't underestimate anyone around here pulling the long-con.
What if we're all missing the real long con, that Cheeks ISN'T Chicos? :o :o :o
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I'm sorry, but that's plain ignorant. The defensive game plan was sound: shut down Morant and dare them to shoot from the outside. Any coach with an IQ > a carrot would have drawn up the exact same plan with this team.
Murray State was better than Steph Curry from 3-pt land, let alone what they were relative to their performance over the prior 4+ months. Even if executed perfectly (which, of course, we didn't), not even Virginia beats Murray State in the 1st round.
Murray vs MU: Morant with 16 of the 23 assists, MS wins by 19 w/MS 9-18 3point shooting.
Murray vs. FSU: Morant with 4 of 7 assists, FSU wins by 28 w/MS 7-18 3 point shooting.
A whopping 47 point turn around! Pretty sure Coach Leonard "Carrot" Hamilton had the more sound defensive game plan of MS's 2 opponents. .
I believe the announcers in Connecticut were the same in both games. The woman announcer made an interesting observation on the defensive game plan. I do not recall her exact words but this was pretty close: " Notice how FSU doesn't overcommit on defense." And then the zinger: You DON"T see 5 guys collapsing on Morant!"
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What if we're all missing the real long con, that Cheeks ISN'T Chicos? :o :o :o
Hoopaloop's revenge?
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Not in the NCAA tournament. They could not get out to cover the open three point shooters. The Big East was pretty weak this year, which helps to skew the defensive statistics.
Define 'pretty weak'?
The Big East had a scoring efficiency of 1.059 ppp. That was higher than, for example, the SEC... the ACC...... the Big Ten... and the Big 12.
But, OK.
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Murray vs MU: Morant with 16 of the 23 assists, MS wins by 19 w/MS 9-18 3point shooting.
Murray vs. FSU: Morant with 4 of 7 assists, FSU wins by 28 w/MS 7-18 3 point shooting.
A whopping 47 point turn around! Pretty sure Coach Leonard "Carrot" Hamilton had the more sound defensive game plan of MS's 2 opponents. .
I believe the announcers in Connecticut were the same in both games. The woman announcer made an interesting observation on the defensive game plan. I do not recall her exact words but this was pretty close: " Notice how FSU doesn't overcommit on defense." And then the zinger: You DON"T see 5 guys collapsing on Morant!"
FSU had different personnel.
You seem to be quite familiar with beer league softball; unfortunately, in the NCAA tournament, you’re not allowed to take guys from the other game and use them on yours.
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FSU had different personnel.
You seem to be quite familiar with beer league softball; unfortunately, in the NCAA tournament, you’re not allowed to take guys from the other game and use them on yours.
Different personnel, sure. That's part of it.
But when you set up defense to stop a superstar, if you're smart (FSU was, we weren't) the goal is to take away what he does best. Ja Morant is a very good scorer and an elite, out of this world passer. Florida St. made him a scorer and took away his less talented teammates with honest, in your face defense. He had 28 points, but took 21 shots and had only 4 assists. We doubled (or tripled) him everywhere, held him to 9 shots and 17 points and challenged him to locate wide open teammates. 16 assists later we were toast.
Bottom line, Murray St was a much better team when Morant was a pass first player. The defense we chose allowed him (forced him) to be just that.
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Man this Cheeks guy really resides inside your brain.
Yup, for many years and he isn’t alone with the quarters of have taken with some of these guys.
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What month did we beat Louisville, Kansas St, Buffalo and Wisconsin?
What month were we destroyed by Murray St?
When did we beat Georgetown on the road without our 2nd team All American Big East POY? When did we lose to them on our home court at full strength?
This really isn't all that complicated.
Interesting...so Virginia winning the ACC tournament and a few days later losing to a 16 seed would explain what....using your logic?
The game we won at Georgetown....was that the mythological game in which you claimed the Hoyas pressured Sam...that one?
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Different personnel, sure. That's part of it.
But when you set up defense to stop a superstar, if you're smart (FSU was, we weren't) the goal is to take away what he does best. Ja Morant is a very good scorer and an elite, out of this world passer. Florida St. made him a scorer and took away his less talented teammates with honest, in your face defense.
Part of it....yeah....the biggest part of it.
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Are you saying...Hilltoppers is Chico’s?
Damn....years of hard work finally uncovered
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Murray vs MU: Morant with 16 of the 23 assists, MS wins by 19 w/MS 9-18 3point shooting.
Murray vs. FSU: Morant with 4 of 7 assists, FSU wins by 28 w/MS 7-18 3 point shooting.
A whopping 47 point turn around! Pretty sure Coach Leonard "Carrot" Hamilton had the more sound defensive game plan of MS's 2 opponents. .
I believe the announcers in Connecticut were the same in both games. The woman announcer made an interesting observation on the defensive game plan. I do not recall her exact words but this was pretty close: " Notice how FSU doesn't overcommit on defense." And then the zinger: You DON"T see 5 guys collapsing on Morant!"
It’s almost like MU and FSU different personnel!
But yeah. We should’ve had Joey Hauser tasked with the same things as a guy like Mann or Kabangale (no idea how to spell that). That would’ve worked even better!
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FSU had different personnel.
You seem to be quite familiar with beer league softball; unfortunately, in the NCAA tournament, you’re not allowed to take guys from the other game and use them on yours.
Ok. Different personnel. Different coach. Different defensive game plan. FSU's worked. MU's did not. We got blown out. They blew out Murray State. Lenny was ignorant in stating "bad defense". It simply did not work. Got it!