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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: fjm on May 09, 2019, 05:52:06 PM
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Wojo’s presser from today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JzSG49040&list=PLzqRtxGmacTdwekhBMqX6gnvg0QRxnDfQ&index=1
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I would think it is still in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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I would think it is still in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Probably good to clarify occasionally, for those people who think it's in 'da UP.
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Good listen
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"I don't think there's nearly enough appreciation for how hard it is to win in the NCAAs."
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Values. Values. Values.
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"I don't think there's nearly enough appreciation for how hard it is to win in the NCAAs."
Since he has won plenty as a player and assistant coach in the tournament, he would know the ups and downs of that. The UVA example is correct. It is why Jay Wright said very similar, or Mark Few, Coach K, etc.
Looking forward to a fun year and more heads exploding when things aren’t the way they want or are entitled to.
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I think they should print that on every game ticket, so everyone remembers.
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Wojo said he talked to Tony Bennett on the phone 3 or 4 days ago.
What do you think they talked about?????
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Since he has won plenty as a player and assistant coach in the tournament, he would know the ups and downs of that. The UVA example is correct. It is why Jay Wright said very similar, or Mark Few, Coach K, etc.
Looking forward to a fun year and more heads exploding when things aren’t the way they want or are entitled to.
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I think they should print that on every game ticket, so everyone remembers.
Win every day
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The program’s PR arm has shown almost unfathomable improvement. They’re running on all 8 cylinders.
They must’ve fired the clowns working for the university during the Gold fiasco.
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Wojo’s presser from today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JzSG49040&list=PLzqRtxGmacTdwekhBMqX6gnvg0QRxnDfQ&index=1
Was actually one of his more forthcoming press conferences. I believe Wojo spends too much time reading the various MU message boards and social media. His health would be a lot better if he took the advice which he gave to the team which is to ignore the noise.
Scholl also directly addressed some of the topics debated endlessly on this website. I hope he stays the rest of his career with MU.
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Scholl: MU set a school record for most sell outs. Try again, big guy.
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“We want to be winning Big East Championships, and, we want to compete for Final Fours and National Championships.”
MU AD Bill Scholl May 9, 2019.
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Scholl: MU set a school record for most sell outs. Try again, big guy.
Maybe talking about a different kind of "sell out".
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Wojo is in way over his head. Actually, I felt badly for him after watching the presser.
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Wojo is in way over his head. Actually, I felt badly for him after watching the presser.
lol
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Scholl: MU set a school record for most sell outs. Try again, big guy.
He should have said the most since the Bradley Center opened in 1988....but yes we sold out many more games at the smaller MECCA during our hey dey.
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He should have said the most since the Bradley Center opened in 1988....but yes we sold out many more games at the smaller MECCA during our hey dey.
Well, send your caveats to the AD who said "we set a MU record for sell outs" and then confirmed it. You'd think he'd know MU's history.
I will admit that between 1989 and now, there have been some lackluster MU Ticket Managers. I am glad MU has fixed that problem, though.
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anyone tell scholl ya gotta look UP into the 4 corners of the facility (not just the first few rows)-if they are filled, MU did it's job? that's right, he probably never met "the man"
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He should have said the most since the Bradley Center opened in 1988....but yes we sold out many more games at the smaller MECCA during our hey dey.
Ya think?
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Wojo is in way over his head. Actually, I felt badly for him after watching the presser.
Goose, with all due respect, i got the entirely opposite feeling.
I guess life is nothing but endless Ground Hog Days of Confirmation Bias.
Maybe my confirmation bias is more dangerous than yours...
but i feel the program is in the right hands.
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Ya think?
Definitely would have been the right thing to do to tip the hat to the folks still stuck in that century....I agree. :)
Back when there was very little to do, college basketball rarely on television, etc. Fact is, college basketball attendance is down and we had a banner year last year in that regard, but people got to complain about something.
Black heart, you a big Marge fan or something? Not sure I even understand your comment. I worked with Marge for two years. She was a blast from the past for sure.
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I enjoyed Wojo ripping on some fans that shortchange Markus. I think PRN was on his mind.
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I enjoyed Wojo ripping on some fans that shortchange Markus. I think PRN was on his mind.
I knew what he was talking about right from the start, but when he stressed...”and I’m not talking about you guys in the media”....that had to further tick off the vocal minority here that loathes him.
Herman Cain is right...he definitely reads Scoop. So, Coach...know this....
Marquette is every bit the special place you thought it was when you took this job. We have been blessed with a continuum of coaches who have kept our winning spirit alive after a certain NY Irishman built us from scratch into the 70s powerhouse that not only won huge, but did it with unique style and flair, with our leader being more original than the tapestry of life itself. Every picture, every highlight, every coach and player “quote” to the press affirmed one thing....this place is the height of cool.
Just be yourself. I saw a guy in a press conference today that is driven. A guy very comfortable in his own skin. A guy who welcomes expectations. A guy who has been there and knows what it takes. Most of all, I saw a bigger spark in that guy’s eye today than ever before...after an unfortunate event that would eat at lesser coaches. That spark comes from a real place. I see a coach who feels a closeness in this team that can produce an other-worldly chemistry. Had everything gone swimmingly, we wouldn’t sneak up on anyone next year. Now, it’s like our league, the rest of the country, even some of our own “fans” are writing us off. We never have fit the “preseason #2” mold anyway. This is the kind of situation coaches live for. Wojo looked us all in the eye today and stated what he feels is fact...that this team is going to be damn good.
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I think they should print that on every game ticket, so everyone remembers.
"People have got to understand, to win the league championship is difficult now with the difficult scheduling," Izzo said. "To win a national championship or go deep into the tournament, it's sometimes a crapshoot. You've got to be good enough, you've got to be lucky, you've got to be a lot of things."
Tom Izzo. 2018
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"It's a crapshoot," Roy Williams said Tuesday from Lawrence. "You have to be lucky."
Roy Williams, head coach Kansas
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Values. Values. Values.
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Results. Results. Results
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Wojo is in way over his head. Actually, I felt badly for him after watching the presser.
He's definitely feeling the heat, I'm hoping against hope he proves us all wrong.
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"People have got to understand, to win the league championship is difficult now with the difficult scheduling," Izzo said. "To win a national championship or go deep into the tournament, it's sometimes a crapshoot. You've got to be good enough, you've got to be lucky, you've got to be a lot of things."
Tom Izzo. 2018
Tom Izzo and the MSU program have won 10 NCAA games the past 5 years. (He won 12 his first 5 years as head coach there).
Wojo referenced Tony Bennett and going from a first round NCAA exit to National Champions. But the key is the 2nd part happened. The key with Izzo is that winning at a high level still happens with their program.
The expectation is to not only make the NCAA tourney almost annually at Marquette. The expectation is to do something while there some of the time as well. It is understood that it is challenging. But results or lack of results matter.
Wojo in my opinion came across as a bit defensive about this topic as one might that has not produced in this category. It would have come across better to me as a definitive, “Our NCAA tourney results are not good enough right now. We know that. We will do everything we can to to improve that moving forward.”
The AD said yesterday that MU wants to go to Final Fours and compete for National Titles. That is his publicly stated expectation.
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Yup, well aware of what Izzo has done...he is an elite coach that isn’t walking through our doors. My point is he, K, Wright, Few, Williams, etc, etc, etc are in the profession at the highest level and all are saying luck is needed ( sorry NickleDimer...fact), how hard it is, the crapshoot nature, etc....but we have internet coaches that no better or think that Izzos are a dime a dozen and should be easy for MU to hire and retain.
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"People have got to understand, to win the league championship is difficult now with the difficult scheduling," Izzo said. "To win a national championship or go deep into the tournament, it's sometimes a crapshoot. You've got to be good enough, you've got to be lucky, you've got to be a lot of things."
Tom Izzo. 2018
I truly do get it, that it's a crapshoot in the NCAAs. Marquette is exhibit one out of many.
Of course, when Izzo (52 NCAA wins) says it's hard, it's different than when a guy with zero wins says it.
"Look how hard it is! So hard, I haven't been able to do it once. But maybe the dice will roll our way next year, so keep the faith."
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I truly do get it, that it's a crapshoot in the NCAAs. Marquette is exhibit one out of many.
Of course, when Izzo (52 NCAA wins) says it's hard, it's different than when a guy with zero wins says it.
"Look how hard it is! So hard, I haven't been able to do it once. But maybe the dice will roll our way next year, so keep the faith."
Wojo has been part of coaching staffs that won national titles, Final Fours, early losses.....he has seen and been part of as a coach.
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Wojo has been part of coaching staffs that won national titles, Final Fours, early losses.....he has seen and been part of as a coach.
Right, I'd totally forgotten.
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Yup, well aware of what Izzo has done...he is an elite coach that isn’t walking through our doors. My point is he, K, Wright, Few, Williams, etc, etc, etc are in the profession at the highest level and all are saying luck is needed ( sorry NickleDimer...fact), how hard it is, the crapshoot nature, etc....but we have internet coaches that no better or think that Izzos are a dime a dozen and should be easy for MU to hire and retain.
Luck is needed sure. So is putting yourself and your program in a position to be successful. Would you agree that a fair expectation for MU bball regardless lf coach is in the middle of Izzo and Wojo results?
Take the past 5 years for Izzo or even take his first 5 years. Get to the 2nd weekend a few times, while also making the NCAA’s almost annually. Win Big East titles every so often etc...
These are some of the specific expectations on the court results based expectations. Wojo has made NCAA’s 2 out of 5 years, 2 out of last 3. It wouldn’t he a good idea for him to miss the NCAA’s the next several years while also getting to the 2nd weekend a couple of times. It’s seems pretty clear.
My expectations are higher than the current results of the program. I am not advocating this or that. It seems very fair and reasonable that beginning with this upcoming season, results need to be maintained and improved, meaning top tier Big East finishes, making NCAA’s, winning games in NCAA’s, better conference tourney, success v rivals and big name ooc opponents too. Next year is year 6 for Wojo at MU. These are fair expectations in my opinion. If he cannot produce that, an upgrade is needed.
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...he definitely reads Scoop. So, Coach...know this....
Marquette is every bit the special place you thought it was when you took this job. We have been blessed with a continuum of coaches who have kept our winning spirit alive after a certain NY Irishman built us from scratch into the 70s powerhouse that not only won huge, but did it with unique style and flair, with our leader being more original than the tapestry of life itself. Every picture, every highlight, every coach and player “quote” to the press affirmed one thing....this place is the height of cool.
Just be yourself. I saw a guy in a press conference today that is driven. A guy very comfortable in his own skin. A guy who welcomes expectations. A guy who has been there and knows what it takes. Most of all, I saw a bigger spark in that guy’s eye today than ever before...after an unfortunate event that would eat at lesser coaches. That spark comes from a real place. I see a coach who feels a closeness in this team that can produce an other-worldly chemistry. Had everything gone swimmingly, we wouldn’t sneak up on anyone next year. Now, it’s like our league, the rest of the country, even some of our own “fans” are writing us off. We never have fit the “preseason #2” mold anyway. This is the kind of situation coaches live for. Wojo looked us all in the eye today and stated what he feels is fact...that this team is going to be damn good.
Lol
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I knew what he was talking about right from the start, but when he stressed...”and I’m not talking about you guys in the media”....that had to further tick off the vocal minority here that loathes him.
Herman Cain is right...he definitely reads Scoop. So, Coach...know this....
Marquette is every bit the special place you thought it was when you took this job. We have been blessed with a continuum of coaches who have kept our winning spirit alive after a certain NY Irishman built us from scratch into the 70s powerhouse that not only won huge, but did it with unique style and flair, with our leader being more original than the tapestry of life itself. Every picture, every highlight, every coach and player “quote” to the press affirmed one thing....this place is the height of cool.
Just be yourself. I saw a guy in a press conference today that is driven. A guy very comfortable in his own skin. A guy who welcomes expectations. A guy who has been there and knows what it takes. Most of all, I saw a bigger spark in that guy’s eye today than ever before...after an unfortunate event that would eat at lesser coaches. That spark comes from a real place. I see a coach who feels a closeness in this team that can produce an other-worldly chemistry. Had everything gone swimmingly, we wouldn’t sneak up on anyone next year. Now, it’s like our league, the rest of the country, even some of our own “fans” are writing us off. We never have fit the “preseason #2” mold anyway. This is the kind of situation coaches live for. Wojo looked us all in the eye today and stated what he feels is fact...that this team is going to be damn good.
He is referring to Twitter.
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Lol
One of my “expert” handicapping buddies laughed in my face when I told him I was including Country House in my Oaks-Derby Double wager. Literally laughed at me like Cheeseburger from Let It Ride. Well, $2600 later, and I haven’t heard from his broke a$$ in a week.
Please laugh. Please. Cmon. Listen to me....you can do it.
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He is referring to Twitter.
I suspect it's mostly Twitter & the blogs (Paint Touches, Anonymous Eagle, Cracked Sidewalks). He might check the forums too, but I'd guess that's lower level people than him.
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One of my “expert” handicapping buddies laughed in my face when I told him I was including Country House in my Oaks-Derby Double wager. Literally laughed at me like Cheeseburger from Let It Ride. Well, $2600 later, and I haven’t heard from his broke a$$ in a week.
Please laugh. Please. Cmon. Listen to me....you can do it.
What an apples and oranges comparison......congrats on knowing horses?
I'm laughing that you think Wojo is opening every (recently) dumbass thread on this site and is familiar with all posters, then that you'd write him a 'Miracle'-esque pump-up soliloquy about "sparks" and "we never fit the preseason #2 team anyway" nonsense.
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Crapshoot implies wins and losses.
We have not won a tourney game since 2013. Hence, the natives are restless.
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Crapshoot implies wins and losses.
We have not won a tourney game since 2013. Hence, the natives are restless.
No it doesn’t. It implies the random nature of the event which is why even coaches that have won it all have to remind the natives of their insanity.
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Wojo has been part of coaching staffs that won national titles, Final Fours, early losses.....he has seen and been part of as a coach.
Duke's results since winning the title in 2010:
2019 - 3-1 Elite 8
2018 - 3-1 Elite 8
2017 1-1 Lost to South Carolina in second round, 88-81
2016 2-1 Defeated North Carolina-Wilmington in first round, 93-85
Lost to Oregon in regional semifinal, 82-68
2015 6-0 Defeated San Diego State in second round, 68-49
Defeated Wisconsin in National Championship, 68-63
2014 0-1 Lost to Mercer in first round, 78-71
2013 3-1 Defeated Albany in first round, 73-61
Lost to Louisville in regional final, 85-63
2012 0-1 Lost to Lehigh in first round, 75-70
2011 2-1 Defeated Hampton in first round, 87-45
Lost to Arizona in regional semifinal, 93-77
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What an apples and oranges comparison......congrats on knowing horses?
I'm laughing that you think Wojo is opening every (recently) dumbass thread on this site and is familiar with all posters, then that you'd write him a 'Miracle'-esque pump-up soliloquy about "sparks" and "we never fit the preseason #2 team anyway" nonsense.
I think you’re laughing less at my post and more at that concept that some people actually took a lot out of that press conference. I’ve never seen the guy that energized. That is clearly bothering some people. And the analogy is fine...laugh away...I’m serious...laugh the F away...it’s great for the team. It’s a lot easier to motivate and coach up a team than to meet ludicrous expectations. Sorry you can’t comprehend.
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It does take some luck to win the tournament in most cases. My issue is that we needed another 20 points of luck to get a first round win over a 12 seed that was 1-2 in quad 1 games on the season.
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Marquette is every bit the special place you thought it was when you took this job. We have been blessed with a continuum of coaches who have kept our winning spirit alive after a certain NY Irishman built us from scratch into the 70s powerhouse that not only won huge, but did it with unique style and flair, with our leader being more original than the tapestry of life itself. Every picture, every highlight, every coach and player “quote” to the press affirmed one thing....this place is the height of cool.
Just be yourself. I saw a guy in a press conference today that is driven. A guy very comfortable in his own skin. A guy who welcomes expectations. A guy who has been there and knows what it takes. Most of all, I saw a bigger spark in that guy’s eye today than ever before...after an unfortunate event that would eat at lesser coaches. That spark comes from a real place. I see a coach who feels a closeness in this team that can produce an other-worldly chemistry. Had everything gone swimmingly, we wouldn’t sneak up on anyone next year. Now, it’s like our league, the rest of the country, even some of our own “fans” are writing us off. We never have fit the “preseason #2” mold anyway. This is the kind of situation coaches live for. Wojo looked us all in the eye today and stated what he feels is fact...that this team is going to be damn good.
Very well said. We got this.
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No it doesn’t. It implies the random nature of the event which is why even coaches that have won it all have to remind the natives of their insanity.
IMO, random nature of events is going 2-4 in OT including losing 2 2OTs to end your season with a disappointing 9-9 conference record and miss the NCAAs for the first time in 8 years. Sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way.
Going 5 years without a NCAA win is more of a trend than it is random nature of events.
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I think you’re laughing less at my post and more at that concept that some people actually took a lot out of that press conference. I’ve never seen the guy that energized. That is clearly bothering some people. And the analogy is fine...laugh away...I’m serious...laugh the F away...it’s great for the team. It’s a lot easier to motivate and coach up a team than to meet ludicrous expectations. Sorry you can’t comprehend.
I can comprehend just fine, I've followed college basketball long enough to realize that it's a press conference: no I don't give a rat's ass what positive spin a coach puts on his shortcomings in a press conference. His actions that resulted in said shortcomings after 5 years on the job have shown he still doesn't get it. Buzz won every press conference he spoke at, but we all know he was incredibly full of crap. "I'm really surprised Sam and Joey left". Really? That response alone lets me know I'm not going to gather much actual insight from what he has to say because he's not being genuine.
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I can comprehend just fine, I've followed college basketball long enough to realize that it's a press conference: no I don't give a rat's ass what positive spin a coach puts on his shortcomings in a press conference. His actions that resulted in said shortcomings after 5 years on the job have shown he still doesn't get it. Buzz won every press conference he spoke at, but we all know he was incredibly full of crap. "I'm really surprised Sam and Joey left". Really? That response alone lets me know I'm not going to gather much actual insight from what he has to say because he's not being genuine.
If it frustrates you as much as it obviously does and if you're so certain he's spewing complete BS, why even bother watching/listening to what he has to say?
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It does take some luck to win the tournament in most cases. My issue is that we needed another 20 points of luck to get a first round win over a 12 seed that was 1-2 in quad 1 games on the season.
Luck can be as simple as who one plays. There were a number of teams with better seeds than our opponent that we would have done better against with a chance to win against perceived “better” team. Who you play, where you play, when you play is part of the luck involved because one has no control over it.
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If it frustrates you as much as it obviously does and if you're so certain he's spewing complete BS, why even bother watching/listening to what he has to say?
He's the head coach of my alma mater's basketball team, and I'd like to have an informed opinion of him and the job he's doing.
Watching him give canned (to great effect apparently, given how many posters are slurping it up) responses and disingenuous answers such as "I don't know why, and am just flabbergasted, two of my best players left after months of strife and contention" lends more credence to the fact I'm not sold on him. It further validates my feelings on him and for that reason, I'll invest half an hour in listening to it.
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I can comprehend just fine, I've followed college basketball long enough to realize that it's a press conference: no I don't give a rat's ass what positive spin a coach puts on his shortcomings in a press conference. His actions that resulted in said shortcomings after 5 years on the job have shown he still doesn't get it. Buzz won every press conference he spoke at, but we all know he was incredibly full of crap. "I'm really surprised Sam and Joey left". Really? That response alone lets me know I'm not going to gather much actual insight from what he has to say because he's not being genuine.
Agree to disagree. I felt Wojo was being extremely genuine and authentic. He explained it as being taken back a bit by the result, but then filtered it through the reality of a transfer epidemic. I don’t see it as bs at all. However, it is extra painful in that these weren’t also-rans. I think we’ll be fine.
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It was a decent, not great, press conference. Much like his coaching. He hit talking points. He was impassioned in his defense of Markus (as he should be), he was adult and mature about the Hausers leaving, he was positive about the coming season. The times when he stepped out of clichés was in his discussion of 'the noise', his defense of Markus as a person and a leader. He SHOULD defend his record. He SHOULD defend those who stayed. He SHOULD present an optimistic look at next year. He SHOULD play up how good he thinks the 19-20 team can be even with the departure. He SHOULD play up Koby and Greg. I would jump on the 'Fire Wojo' bandwagon if he failed to do those things. Who would want a coach that says 'we suck. The Hausers leaving is the worth thing ever. We may just cancel next season'? That is for some scoopers to say.
It is also clear that he and the AD are sympatico. Which, amazingly, just pisses people off more. And the AD made clear that it is a 3 part process; the court, the classroom, and the community.
I predict that unless K retires, Wojo is here in 5 years. Hopefully, he will continue to grow as a coach.
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It’s ok to defend yourself but also to admit the NCAA results for example, are not good enough to continue long term. It isn’t either or. It’s both in my opinion.
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We were, and rightfully so, told that you shouldn't judge a coach until he's been on the job for 5 years. Well, 2 NCAA early exits later and all we have to show are our asses handed back on a platter by the opponents. Didn't even put up a fookin' fight. Its a crapshoot alright, except the crap we're shootin' comes from eatin' some burritos loaded with beans.
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Disagree we didn’t fight in the first NCAA game. It was a close game with about 10 minutes to play....64-63. With 7+ minutes a 5 point game. They also went on to the Final Four....no slouch of a team.
This year NCAA plain sucked. Bad strategy, or bad execution....one of the two. Factor in a great PG and it was not a good situation for anyone.
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We were, and rightfully so, told that you shouldn't judge a coach until he's been on the job for 5 years. Well, 2 NCAA early exits later and all we have to show are our asses handed back on a platter by the opponents. Didn't even put up a fookin' fight. Its a crapshoot alright, except the crap we're shootin' comes from eatin' some burritos loaded with beans.
The best hope to get rid of Wojo is for him to succeed just enough this coming season, so that he is among the top prospects list for the coaching carousel. I think if something good like Maryland( or equivalent) comes up he would take the money and run. Crean got 6 years and a cool $20 million from Georgia so the loot is definitely out there. The good news is Wojo put his toes in the water a little bit with Va Tech and saw that he was worth something in the open market. He got his extension so he is not perceived as damaged goods. If he can deliver something like 21-22 wins and 3rd in Big East, he will be ripe for the picken.
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We were, and rightfully so, told that you shouldn't judge a coach until he's been on the job for 5 years. Well, 2 NCAA early exits later and all we have to show are our asses handed back on a platter by the opponents. Didn't even put up a fookin' fight. Its a crapshoot alright, except the crap we're shootin' comes from eatin' some burritos loaded with beans.
Yup. And he's got this program on an upward trend. Hope he's here for 5+ more
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The best hope to get rid of Wojo is for him to succeed just enough this coming season, so that he is among the top prospects list for the coaching carousel. I think if something good like Maryland( or equivalent) comes up he would take the money and run. Crean got 6 years and a cool $20 million from Georgia so the loot is definitely out there. The good news is Wojo put his toes in the water a little bit with Va Tech and saw that he was worth something in the open market. He got his extension so he is not perceived as damaged goods. If he can deliver something like 21-22 wins and 3rd in Big East, he will be ripe for the picken.
Oh good. Another rebuild. I'm sure everyone will be happy with that. And imagine if the next hire would fail like a Danny Manning. That would be swell.
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I predict that unless K retires, Wojo is here in 5 years. Hopefully, he will continue to grow as a coach.
Why would it matter if K retires? Wojo has zero shot at the Duke job. He might’ve been in the conversation with a deep tourney run next year and a strong 2020 recruiting class to keep it going. Post Hausershima, not so much.
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Yup. And he's got this program on an upward trend. Hope he's here for 5+ more
To quote Chris Penn from Reservoir Dogs, “You beat this guy long enough, he’ll tell ya who started the great Chicago fire, but that don’t necessarily make it fookin’ so!”
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The best hope to get rid of Wojo is for him to succeed just enough this coming season, so that he is among the top prospects list for the coaching carousel. I think if something good like Maryland( or equivalent) comes up he would take the money and run. Crean got 6 years and a cool $20 million from Georgia so the loot is definitely out there. The good news is Wojo put his toes in the water a little bit with Va Tech and saw that he was worth something in the open market. He got his extension so he is not perceived as damaged goods. If he can deliver something like 21-22 wins and 3rd in Big East, he will be ripe for the picken.
Wojo didn't dip his toe in any water. Others invited him to but he said naw
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Wojo didn't dip his toe in any water. Others invited him to but he said naw
This is so patently false...he did more then just dip his toe in the water.
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He's the head coach of my alma mater's basketball team, and I'd like to have an informed opinion of him and the job he's doing.
Watching him give canned (to great effect apparently, given how many posters are slurping it up) responses and disingenuous answers such as "I don't know why, and am just flabbergasted, two of my best players left after months of strife and contention" lends more credence to the fact I'm not sold on him. It further validates my feelings on him and for that reason, I'll invest half an hour in listening to it.
So if he knocked the presser out of the park and you heard what you wanted to hear, you would've ignored the inside information you want everyone here to know you heard and decided Wojo is the man for the job? The insider information you got on how horribly Wojo handled this team wasn't enough to form an informed opinion?
And you are looking for confirmations that Wojo is not the guy for the job?
Whatever makes you happy, I guess.
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Wojo didn't dip his toe in any water. Others invited him to but he said naw
Yep, choice of words can slant things in the directions you want them to go. Easy of a habit to acquire. l
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Post Hausershima, not so much.
Very few people outside the Marquette bubble see Wojo as the bad guy in Hausershima.
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Very few people outside the Marquette bubble see Wojo as the bad guy in Hausershima.
It’s not about seeing Wojo as the bad guy. Had he been able to keep the roster together, he would’ve finally had a chance to really make his bones nationally with what likely would’ve been a top 10 team all year that had a legit shot at a deep tourney run. Now next year will be, IMO, very similar to the two post-Wade NIT years and Buzz’s last year; we’ll struggle to make the tournament and might get left out altogether. Once Markus leaves, he’ll be facing another retooling at best, a 2-3 year rebuild at worst.
Duke will want a coach that has proven he can win consistently on the big stage. Wojo isn’t even close to that, and lost his first best chance with the Hauser transfer.
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Key Comments from Markus
https://mobile.twitter.com/markushoward11/status/1125840796006088704
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Very few people outside the Marquette bubble see Wojo as the bad guy in Hausershima.
So let's leave it alone
'Cause we can't see eye to eye
There ain't no good guy
There ain't no bad guy
There's only you and me
And we just disagree
We Just Disagree - Dave Mason
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This is so patently false...he did more then just dip his toe in the water.
LOL....but Mayo should have been kept. This remains priceless.
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This is so patently false...he did more then just dip his toe in the water.
Source?
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It’s not about seeing Wojo as the bad guy. Had he been able to keep the roster together, he would’ve finally had a chance to really make his bones nationally with what likely would’ve been a top 10 team all year that had a legit shot at a deep tourney run. Now next year will be, IMO, very similar to the two post-Wade NIT years and Buzz’s last year; we’ll struggle to make the tournament and might get left out altogether. Once Markus leaves, he’ll be facing another retooling at best, a 2-3 year rebuild at worst.
Duke will want a coach that has proven he can win consistently on the big stage. Wojo isn’t even close to that, and lost his first best chance with the Hauser transfer.
Did you ever think for a moment that it was impossible? Someone stays, someone goes. Someone goes, someone stays.
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LOL....but Mayo should have been kept. This remains priceless.
You know what?? I am taking some time off Scoop to recenter myself.
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You know what?? F you Chicos..you have No idea what I know or don't know...you always puff your chest out like you have all this great info...like with Buzz saying there WAS a rape...you don't know...you weren't there...that's a FACT. Yet, you claim to have info on that and everyone is supposed to believe you, because well...you're the best around, right?? what Chicos said is 100% true when it pertains to MU BB. I don't need your affirmation...I'm plenty confident in the things I know.
there was
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there was
Sorry...I will do what everyone does to me...who's your source?? And unless you were there..which you weren't...you don't know that to be 100% factual. Sorry I'm doubting you, but that's kind of the way things work here...You are probably right, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but I don't get it from anyone so..
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Very few people outside the Marquette bubble see Wojo as the bad guy in Hausershima.
I'd change that to "no one" outside the MU bubble. From an objective distance, it's pretty simple to see what happened.
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Sorry...I will do what everyone does to me...who's your source?? And unless you were there..which you weren't...you don't know that to be 100% factual. Sorry I'm doubting you, but that's kind of the way things work here...You are probably right, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but I don't get it from anyone so..
I drunkenly revealed my source once on here before. It's not my story to tell but it happened.
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I drunkenly revealed my source once on here before. It's my story to tell but it happened.
Fair enough, but I'm assuming(maybe wrongly), that you knew the girl or someone that knew the girl. Playing devil's advocate here, that doesn't mean she couldn't have just made it up...you understand that, right?? Now, I'm NOT saying that is what happened, but those types of things DO and HAVE happened a lot before, it wouldn't be the first time someone made a false claim, and please let's also remember, we are innocent until proven guilty in this country. So, realistically would you not agree that unless you were actually present at the time, you can not be 100% certain that it did occur, right?? You can trust someone's word, or think you do, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have fabricated it a bit.
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This is so patently false...he did more then just dip his toe in the water.
That is a rumor that some were circulating. I wouldn't put any stock in it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3wBt7YGjow
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Fair enough, but I'm assuming(maybe wrongly), that you knew the girl or someone that knew the girl. Playing devil's advocate here, that doesn't mean she couldn't have just made it up...you understand that, right?? Now, I'm NOT saying that is what happened, but those types of things DO and HAVE happened a lot before, it wouldn't be the first time someone made a false claim, and please let's also remember, we are innocent until proven guilty in this country. So, realistically would you not agree that unless you were actually present at the time, you can not be 100% certain that it did occur, right?? You can trust someone's word, or think you do, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have fabricated it a bit.
Legally we are innocent until proven guilty yes. When I was a freshman at MU I drunkenly stole some of those taquitos from the old Open Pantry, I've never been arrested but it did happen. Am I guilty? Yes.
As far as making things up I'm not going to jump down that rabbit hole again. But you realise that argument can be made for everything. I mean literally yesterday you were going on about sources on the Hauser situation, could I not use the exact same argument regarding your sources?
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Legally we are innocent until proven guilty yes. When I was a freshman at MU I drunkenly stole some of those taquitos from the old Open Pantry, I've never been arrested but it did happen. Am I guilty? Yes.
As far as making things up I'm not going to jump down that rabbit hole again. But you realise that argument can be made for everything. I mean literally yesterday you were going on about sources on the Hauser situation, could I not use the exact same argument regarding your sources?
Sure you could...but also understand, in your situation it's quite different when you are talking about people's reputations, images etc at stake. That CAN get into areas of libel etc. So you have to be really careful.
You're only guilty if you get caught :)
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So if he knocked the presser out of the park and you heard what you wanted to hear, you would've ignored the inside information you want everyone here to know you heard and decided Wojo is the man for the job? The insider information you got on how horribly Wojo handled this team wasn't enough to form an informed opinion?
And you are looking for confirmations that Wojo is not the guy for the job?
Whatever makes you happy, I guess.
I was told what I was told and yes, it 100% played a role in forming my opinion of Wojo and the job he's doing: of which I'm incredibly unimpressed and disappointed. But that's not to say he can't do things after-the-fact that change my perception of him and the job he's doing. Obviously, opinions and perceptions change as time goes on.
When I saw he had a presser, and knew the Hauser situation would come up, I was hoping he'd take accountability and at least show he could use this as a learning moment: that he wouldn't make this same mistake again. A simple "I could have handled things differently to keep two pillars of my program here and will learn from this" would go a very long way, FOR ME. But no, we got the disingenuous "I was stunned they left" and "You'll have to ask Sam and Joey" typical deflections and danced around the entire subject. That didn't show leadership or accountability in my opinion, so yes I was disappointed in his responses there. But he's making it clear he's bought in to this group and these guys and hopefully that prevents the same crap from happening in 9 months.
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I was told what I was told and yes, it 100% played a role in forming my opinion of Wojo and the job he's doing: of which I'm incredibly unimpressed and disappointed. But that's not to say he can't do things after-the-fact that change my perception of him and the job he's doing. Obviously, opinions and perceptions change as time goes on.
When I saw he had a presser, and knew the Hauser situation would come up, I was hoping he'd take accountability and at least show he could use this as a learning moment: that he wouldn't make this same mistake again. A simple "I could have handled things differently to keep two pillars of my program here and will learn from this" would go a very long way, FOR ME. But no, we got the disingenuous "I was stunned they left" and "You'll have to ask Sam and Joey" typical deflections and danced around the entire subject. That didn't show leadership or accountability in my opinion, so yes I was disappointed in his responses there. But he's making it clear he's bought in to this group and these guys and hopefully that prevents the same crap from happening in 9 months.
Clueless Wojo
The loss of the Hausers is his responsibility, no matter how he and his excuse makers here try to spin it.
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The best hope to get rid of Wojo is for him to succeed just enough this coming season, so that he is among the top prospects list for the coaching carousel. I think if something good like Maryland( or equivalent) comes up he would take the money and run. Crean got 6 years and a cool $20 million from Georgia so the loot is definitely out there. The good news is Wojo put his toes in the water a little bit with Va Tech and saw that he was worth something in the open market. He got his extension so he is not perceived as damaged goods. If he can deliver something like 21-22 wins and 3rd in Big East, he will be ripe for the picken.
Great...then we can lose the Class of 20 and start all over. Hmmmm....
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I was told what I was told and yes, it 100% played a role in forming my opinion of Wojo and the job he's doing: of which I'm incredibly unimpressed and disappointed. But that's not to say he can't do things after-the-fact that change my perception of him and the job he's doing. Obviously, opinions and perceptions change as time goes on.
When I saw he had a presser, and knew the Hauser situation would come up, I was hoping he'd take accountability and at least show he could use this as a learning moment: that he wouldn't make this same mistake again. A simple "I could have handled things differently to keep two pillars of my program here and will learn from this" would go a very long way, FOR ME. But no, we got the disingenuous "I was stunned they left" and "You'll have to ask Sam and Joey" typical deflections and danced around the entire subject. That didn't show leadership or accountability in my opinion, so yes I was disappointed in his responses there. But he's making it clear he's bought in to this group and these guys and hopefully that prevents the same crap from happening in 9 months.
Yeah coaches just aren't going to do this regardless of how successful they have been. No one is going to label departed players "pillars of my program."
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This is so patently false...he did more then just dip his toe in the water.
I think whomever you trust as your sources, they are off base.
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I'd change that to "no one" outside the MU bubble. From an objective distance, it's pretty simple to see what happened.
Yes it is. And with over 800 division one transfers this year, other than it being starters and brothers, it isn't even that unusual of a story.
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The best hope to get rid of Wojo is for him to succeed just enough this coming season, so that he is among the top prospects list for the coaching carousel. I think if something good like Maryland( or equivalent) comes up he would take the money and run. Crean got 6 years and a cool $20 million from Georgia so the loot is definitely out there. The good news is Wojo put his toes in the water a little bit with Va Tech and saw that he was worth something in the open market. He got his extension so he is not perceived as damaged goods. If he can deliver something like 21-22 wins and 3rd in Big East, he will be ripe for the picken.
Is your hope for Wojo to be fired, or for Marquette to be successful?
My hope is Wojo rises to the challenge of losing Sam and Joey and leads MU to its best season since 2013. My hope is for a Big East championship. My hope is for a 3rd NCAA bid in 4 years. My hope is for another Sweet 16 appearance. My hope is for a Class of 2020 that ranks in the Top 10. My hope is that MU joins Villanova as a conference and national power.
Wojo is the current coach of the program. I get it if you're skeptical he's the right guy for the job. But I don't see how hoping for him to be fired -- under any conditions or circumstances -- is good for the program, now or for the long term.
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Is your hope for Wojo to be fired, or for Marquette to be successful?
My hope is Wojo rises to the challenge of losing Sam and Joey and leads MU to its best season since 2013. My hope is for a Big East championship. My hope is for a 3rd NCAA bid in 4 years. My hope is for another Sweet 16 appearance. My hope is for a Class of 2020 that ranks in the Top 10. My hope is that MU joins Villanova as a conference and national power.
Wojo is the current coach of the program. I get it if you're skeptical he's the right guy for the job. But I don't see how hoping for him to be fired -- under any conditions or circumstances -- is good for the program, now or for the long term.
Have consistently said that Wojo is performing at a level whereby the administration won’t fire him. Scholl told us that at the press conference .
Hence, only way out is for Marquette to be successful and Wojo gets hired away. I always want MU to do well, so I think it is a win win situation. Team does well and Wojo can get a big money deal from someone else .
Also think it is in Wojos best interest to get another job. If he can demonstrate that he can win at multiple schools, he may be able to get in position for the Next Near Blue Blood when it opens up.
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Sure you could...but also understand, in your situation it's quite different when you are talking about people's reputations, images etc at stake. That CAN get into areas of libel etc. So you have to be really careful.
You're only guilty if you get caught :)
And given all those considerations I trust the information. And you risk libel with basically anything.
I get the humorous intent of what you're saying regarding guilt but I don't have a humor bone on this topic. was just reading on the diversions of legality vs Ethics vs Morals. They may not be proven guilty in law but it happened and was unethical and immoral.
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Have consistently said that Wojo is performing at a level whereby the administration won’t fire him. Scholl told us that at the press conference .
Hence, only way out is for Marquette to be successful and Wojo gets hired away. I always want MU to do well, so I think it is a win win situation. Team does well and Wojo can get a big money deal from someone else .
Also think it is in Wojos best interest to get another job. If he can demonstrate that he can win at multiple schools, he may be able to get in position for the Next Near Blue Blood when it opens up.
But, if he has a big recruiting haul this summer/fall re the Class of 2020 and has a very good 19-20 season and is lured to XYZ U, what happens when all those recruits renege? Seems to be a flaw in your thought process?
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But, if he has a big recruiting haul this summer/fall re the Class of 2020 and has a very good 19-20 season and is lured to XYZ U, what happens when all those recruits renege? Seems to be a flaw in your thought process?
Or.. if wojo proves to be successful enough to be considered by a blueblood, wouldn't we want him to stay and transform MU into that blueblood?
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Or.. if wojo proves to be successful enough to be considered by a blueblood, wouldn't we want him to stay and transform MU into that blueblood?
Sure, but that would probably be very unlikely. Why would he turn down a blue blood ?
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Sure, but that would probably be very unlikely. Why would he turn down a blue blood ?
Herman wants wojo gone. He just sees the best win-win scenario for Marquette if wojo is successful and gets bought out.
I think that's a bad opinion because there's obviously no guarantee our next coach would be successful. I'd rather, if wojo is successful, that he stick around indefinitely.
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Wojo is in way over his head. Actually, I felt badly for him after watching the presser.
If he could coach effectively it would not matter how he handles the PR.
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If he could coach effectively it would not matter how he handles the PR.
Bob Knight is holding for you on line 1....
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This thread hasn’t been a real delight in an otherwise slow day. Thank you all.
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I drunkenly revealed my source once on here before. It's not my story to tell but it happened.
Mine on this issue a priest. I tend to trust them.
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Mine on this issue a priest. I tend to trust them.
I don't understand what you were trying to say here
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I liked the presser with Wojo and Scholl. I think the Wojo extension is a good thing for Marquette basketball. He is growing each year in ability, and in developing recruiting strategies that fit what he believes we need. He is getting better and better, and deserves support from the fan base - we all want to win, as he and the players do.
In 19/20, if he turns this team into a tough, winning team after the loss of the Hausers, that will be a huge accomplishment. I’m as impatient a fan as most, but I think we are, as Scholl says, on the right trajectory. Scholl laid out the three pillars that are important to Marquette basketball, and MU in general: on the court, off the court, student/community. You can see why they are thrilled with Wojo. And the basketball pillar is getting stronger through experience and knowledge.
Let’s Go Marquette!
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I don't understand what you were trying to say here
That, like you, I have a source (that confirmed what happened) and I have a very strong reason to trust him.
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Is your hope for Wojo to be fired, or for Marquette to be successful?
My hope is Wojo rises to the challenge of losing Sam and Joey and leads MU to its best season since 2013. My hope is for a Big East championship. My hope is for a 3rd NCAA bid in 4 years. My hope is for another Sweet 16 appearance. My hope is for a Class of 2020 that ranks in the Top 10. My hope is that MU joins Villanova as a conference and national power.
Wojo is the current coach of the program. I get it if you're skeptical he's the right guy for the job. But I don't see how hoping for him to be fired -- under any conditions or circumstances -- is good for the program, now or for the long term.
Why does this matter so much? A bunch of subjective rankings? Recruiting rankings exist to sell subscriptions to websites.
Recruiting rankings are the last thing any rational fan should consider when determine a coach’s success. Bryce Drew ring a bell? Steve Alford? Texas Tech was 33 and 39 under Beard. Better fire him! Virginia was #14...in the ACC. And people here want Tony Bennett. SMH.
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That, like you, I have a source (that confirmed what happened) and I have a very strong reason to trust him.
My apologies I took your post to be contrarian. got it
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Agreed, Al only recruited 1 or 2 key players ever year, never would have been in the Top 10 in recruiting but was always in the Top 10 as a team. Yes, 2019-20 is important since they lose so much. Need at least 2 bigs, 1 power or 1 wing. Has the guard with Torrence to replace Howard.
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My apologies I took your post to be contrarian. got it
No problem. I realize my was worded poorly to the particular post of yours to which I responded.
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I liked the presser with Wojo and Scholl. I think the Wojo extension is a good thing for Marquette basketball. He is growing each year in ability, and in developing recruiting strategies that fit what he believes we need. He is getting better and better, and deserves support from the fan base - we all want to win, as he and the players do.
In 19/20, if he turns this team into a tough, winning team after the loss of the Hausers, that will be a huge accomplishment. I’m as impatient a fan as most, but I think we are, as Scholl says, on the right trajectory. Scholl laid out the three pillars that are important to Marquette basketball, and MU in general: on the court, off the court, student/community. You can see why they are thrilled with Wojo. And the basketball pillar is getting stronger through experience and knowledge.
Let’s Go Marquette!
Very well-stated.
I most agree with your analysis of Wojo’s direst-need-based recruiting. How soon people forget what a bad shooting team we were at the end of the Buzz years. Wojo focused on getting some really skilled shooters on board like Carlino, Katin, Rowsey etc. When it was apparent the team was then stacked too much in favor in skills and shooting and not enough toughness and defense, he grabbed Greg, Jamal, Ed, and Theo. With the loss of the Hausers, the pendulum has again swung away from shooting, so I hope Coach is hot on the trail for another sharpshooter, as Markus can’t be expected to do it all.
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Why does this matter so much? A bunch of subjective rankings? Recruiting rankings exist to sell subscriptions to websites.
Recruiting rankings are the last thing any rational fan should consider when determine a coach’s success. Bryce Drew ring a bell? Steve Alford? Texas Tech was 33 and 39 under Beard. Better fire him! Virginia was #14...in the ACC. And people here want Tony Bennett. SMH.
Agree 100% that getting the right players is more important than the class ranking. It just so happens we've offered a bunch of 2020 recruits who are also highly ranked:
Isaiah Jackson (ranked #19 by Rivals)
Marjon Beauchamp (#24)
Nimari Burnett (#25)
Cam'ron Fletcher (#28)
Dalen Terry (#31)
Dawson Garcia (#34)
Caleb Love (#38)
Dain Dainja (#40)
Ethan Morton (#43)
Jalen Clark (#56)
Bryce Thompson (#58)
DJ Steward (#60)
Jamari Sibley (#61)
Isaiah Cottrell (#68)
Lynn Greer III (#72)
Justin Lewis (#84)
Reece Beekman (#88)
If we land some of our top targets, chances are we'll have a top-ranked class, as well.