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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 07, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
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Welcome to the program, young man!
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Breaking #mubb news: Marquette has landed 7-foot Utah grad transfer Jayce Johnson, according to a source. He averaged 7.1 points and 7.7 rebounds per game last season for the Utes. Eligible immediately.
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Will fit perfectly to create that 3 headed monster down low. Now let’s sign Baker and bring on Symir for next year and we will be set.
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Morrow to PF?
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Morrow to PF?
How will he score?
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Fantastic news!!!
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How will he score?
I'm guessing by putting the ball through the hoop? Maybe off the backboard first in some cases.
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Depth is good.
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Size issue addressed. I guess we will have a season after all.
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Morrow to PF?
Morrow is going to run the point
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I like this. We will be a different team than the past two seasons, but hopefully the improvement on the defensive end and rebounding will make up for lost shooting. It will also be interesting to see more slashing from Kobe and Greg. Pick and roll game will hopefully improve as well.
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Morrow to PF... morrow was solid last year down low. Here’s hoping he is working on his 6-8 foot jumper
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I still doubt we play big most of the time. This gives us more depth and the ability for our bigs to stay fresh. Our bigs can be aggressive and not worry about foul trouble now.
5- Jayce 12, Theo 20, Ed 8
4- Jayce 8, Ed 8, others 24.
Don't think any of the 3 will average more than 22 MPG or so. Ed has never averaged more than 23. Theo never more than 19. Jayce never more than 21.
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I still doubt we play big most of the time. This gives us more depth and the ability for our bigs to stay fresh. Our bigs can be aggressive and not worry about foul trouble now.
5- Jayce 12, Theo 20, Ed 8
4- Jayce 8, Ed 8, others 24.
Don't think any of the 3 will average more than 22 MPG or so. Ed has never averaged more than 23. Theo never more than 19. Jayce never more than 21.
As a senior Ed will get more than 16 minutes.
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As a senior Ed will get more than 16 minutes.
Why? He got 15 as a junior. Even if you're right I bet they come at the expense of Theo and Jayce, not the guards or wings.
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This solves our foul trouble from the center spot.
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Zang!!!
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I'm guessing by putting the ball through the hoop? Maybe off the backboard first in some cases.
Yep, problem is I don't see much of that from a normal PF position from Ed
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Great news!
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He's an interesting recruit. Looks like he was a 4 star in 2015 with offers from Notre Dame, Kansas, Arizona State and Colorado. Looks like his final recruitment came from Colorado and Utah.
Had a 93 grade and was injured his junior year. Not sure whether we're getting a really strong type or another Matt Heldt.
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Why? He got 15 as a junior. Even if you're right I bet they come at the expense of Theo and Jayce, not the guards or wings.
Because he's one of our best, most experienced players.
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Only the fifth best grad transfer on ESPN's rankings.
Does that means we're NOT getting Kerry Blackshear?
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This is very good news!
Welcome Jayce!
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Yep, problem is I don't see much of that from a normal PF position from Ed
Yeah, I remember when we played Standford in the NCAAs, thinking, wow, playing both Lopez brothers won't work out at all.
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We'll see how it works offensively, but Johnson could lead to some ferocious zone defense looks. Guys like McEwen, Elliott, and Anim in the backcourt, wings like Cain & Bailey, and shot blockers like Theo, Ed, and Johnson inside could be interesting. Would really be effective against teams that struggle to score from outside.
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We'll see how it works offensively, but Johnson could lead to some ferocious zone defense looks. Guys like McEwen, Elliott, and Anim in the backcourt, wings like Cain & Bailey, and shot blockers like Theo, Ed, and Johnson inside could be interesting. Would really be effective against teams that struggle to score from outside.
Yes I do see more depth on paint D
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We'll see how it works offensively, but Johnson could lead to some ferocious zone defense looks. Guys like McEwen, Elliott, and Anim in the backcourt, wings like Cain & Bailey, and shot blockers like Theo, Ed, and Johnson inside could be interesting. Would really be effective against teams that struggle to score from outside.
From a personal perspective, next year is going to look very different from past Wojo teams. Put me in the camp that's still extremely worried about shooting and floor spacing.
We need bodies, so I'm not against Johnson coming in. But, I do have my doubts on Wojo making the necessary adjustments to his scheme. These personal changes haven't been entirely dictated by him, so wondering about fit I feel is a valid concern.
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Welcome to MU, Jayce!
Anyone here see him play much? As a 7-footer, I assume he spends a lot of time by the hoop, but there are always exceptions. Playing style, comparisons?
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Actually played against Koby a couple years ago
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988257
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Just checked his stats, he's never even taken a 3 and shoots .490 from the line... so definitely not a shooter. He can score at the hoop, can rebound, and can foul.
If I'm Ed Morrow, I'm shooting 500 jumpers a day, and then about 1200 more. That 4 spot is there for the taking.
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From a personal perspective, next year is going to look very different from past Wojo teams. Put me in the camp that's still extremely worried about shooting and floor spacing.
We need bodies, so I'm not against Johnson coming in. But, I do have my doubts on Wojo making the necessary adjustments to his scheme. These personal changes haven't been entirely dictated by him, so wondering about fit I feel is a valid concern.
I am never going to tell someone who wants to come to MU that I don't want them, but this creates more questions than it answers.
Is Wojo going to change the offense and play two bigs at the same time?
If so, who guards the quicker wing, Theo, Ed, Jayce? Do any of the answers inspire confidence?
Which of the bigs plays on the perimeter?
More zone in order to play two bigs at the same time?
Is there another departure imminent?
Whither Ike?
However, I am no longer worried about foul trouble for our bigs, so let them defend the rim and go after shot blocks.
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Welcome Jayce.
It's interesting. Ed wanted to play the 4. He'll get a shot to try.
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Just checked his stats, he's never even taken a 3 and shoots .490 from the line... so definitely not a shooter. He can score at the hoop, can rebound, and can foul.
If I'm Ed Morrow, I'm shooting 500 jumpers a day, and then about 1200 more. That 4 spot is there for the taking.
I presume he did that during his redshirt year as well?
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure we are well-covered on jump shots. I don't quite understand the worrying about not having enough jump shots with Morrow in the game at the 4. It gives us an entirely different lineup that will probably serve multiple purposes, not the least of which being:
1. Matching up against bigger teams, or any teams that like to get more of their offense near the basket
2. An entirely different look to keep the opponent on their toes
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Welcome to the program, young man!
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Breaking #mubb news: Marquette has landed 7-foot Utah grad transfer Jayce Johnson, according to a source. He averaged 7.1 points and 7.7 rebounds per game last season for the Utes. Eligible immediately.
Finally we have good news. Thank you.
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Welcome, Jayce Big Guy Big News.
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Let's see Georgetown's guards try to get to the rim now if Jayce and Theo are in the game together defending the paint.
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Let's see Georgetown's guards try to get to the rim now if Jayce and Theo are in the game together defending the paint.
Greg and Koby will be at least as integral to slowing down Akinjo and McClang.
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If I'm Ed Morrow, I'm shooting 500 jumpers a day, and then about 1200 more. That 4 spot is there for the taking.
Yep, I thinks that is a Plan for ED.
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Yep, I thinks that is a Plan for ED.
Can we pool together some $$ and hire Novak as a consultant. That's where the wagers should be going, not to some stupid charity.
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Stan tweet attached:
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Will fit perfectly to create that 3 headed monster down low. Now let’s sign Baker and bring on Symir for next year and we will be set.
As happy as I am, I can never help thinking couldn't one of these great bigs have been 10 years older to help the three amigos transform from the beat 6-foot-5 and under team in the nation to a final four team.
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Im guessing this is hard to believe for some
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From the Conference of Champions to the Soul of College Hoops. Welcome JJ!
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Im guessing this is hard to believe for some
MU just needed a big body to defend a little and give them 5 more fouls, if he is better than Heldt, he will get more time, but with no power forward in the mix, I have
to believe you will see a line-up like this at times, Koby, Howard, Sacar, Morrow and Ed, now you can do that with 5 more fouls to give. It will work, then have the 2
thin small forwards Bailey and Cain at times. I am just hoping Eke can give them a few minutes as well. I can see Sacar getting 32-35 minutes a game playing the 2 guard or small forward, guarding the best on the other team in those spots.
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Imagine the rebounds Ed will get playing the #4 and #5 simultaneously.
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23rd best offensive rebounder in country.
27th best defensive rebounder in the country
200th best 2-point shooter in country at just under 60%
Even with no 3-pointers this makes his actual effective field goal percentage better than either Hauser - particularly with Joey hitting less than 47% of his 2 pointers.
Trading Joey's 0.3% of opponents shot blocked and all around terrible defense for a top shot blockers at well over 5% of opponents blocked shots (hard to be that good and not be the best shot locker on the team due to Theo.
Morrow was much better than Joey the last 2 months so that's an upgrade at the 4
Jayce is an upgrade from Morrow at the 5 just because of some height matchups for Morrow
No replacing all the things Sam did, I believe he deserved 1st team all big East - but excited for the combinations and extra minutes for Cain, Bailey and Anim sliding to the 3 however the rotation works and - no rip on Sam but I do believe we are now much more durable because he took on so much and pounded big players and chased fast players for so many minutes.
If there were a way for Sam to stay and Jayce to replace Joey I would have taken that in an instant - but glad Sam is taking care of little bro and hope he blossoms in the new setting.
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Glad to add a big body for rebounds, blocks, depth, fouls.
I think Morrow will play a little 4, but it will depend on matchups (as so much does). When we play a big team, we can use a Theo-Ed or Jayce-Ed combo. When other teams go small, it will not be the best to have both out there, just as it sometimes was tough to have Joey out there on D against a smaller guy.
If I had my druthers, I'd have preferred a tall, athletic wing who can hit 3s. But so would everybody else. So I'm not disappointed in this at all.
Welcome to the 2019-20 Big East champion Warriors!
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I have seen nothing from Ed to suggest he's anything but an under the basket center, but I'm not going to complain about more depth at the 5
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Glad to add a big body for rebounds, blocks, depth, fouls.
I think Morrow will play a little 4, but it will depend on matchups (as so much does). When we play a big team, we can use a Theo-Ed or Jayce-Ed combo. When other teams go small, it will not be the best to have both out there, just as it sometimes was tough to have Joey out there on D against a smaller guy.
If I had my druthers, I'd have preferred a tall, athletic wing who can hit 3s. But so would everybody else. So I'm not disappointed in this at all.
Welcome to the 2019-20 Big East champion Warriors!
Agreed, teams will try to go small, but unlike last year I don't anticipate an ego issue with putting the 4 on the bench. With a true PG, Markus at the 2, then Anim-Cain-Bailey combo at the 3 and 4 and Theo guarding the rim knowing he still has 10 more fouls behind him I'm fine with our anti small lineup.
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Morrow to PF... morrow was solid last year down low. Here’s hoping he is working on his 6-8 foot jumper
While i like the addition a lot, to think that Ed can hit more than a layup is a stretch, he struggked to make layups most times. Great kid, great motor, offensively bankrupt to quote an MU legend
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Let's see Georgetown's guards try to get to the rim now if Jayce and Theo are in the game together defending the paint.
And sam and joey not providing help defense you should add. Mu will be noatbly better on defense
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Welcome, Jayce. I hope he's more productive than the Aussie.
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I have seen nothing from Ed to suggest he's anything but an under the basket center, but I'm not going to complain about more depth at the 5
Couldn't agree more that offensively Ed cannot play more than 24 inches from the basket. He is NOT a 4. This signing gets us back to 15 fouls at the 5 as Ed and Theo are capable of both fouling out in the first half. Should also send the message that unfortunately Ike will never play for MU.
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This is nothing more than Harry Frolling part 2. Well done Wojo.
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This is nothing more than Harry Frolling part 2. Well done Wojo.
He hasn’t played a game at MU. What makes you compare him to Froling or are you just rooting against Wojo?
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This is nothing more than Harry Frolling part 2. Well done Wojo.
Why do you say that?
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Look at the numbers. 7.1 ppg in a bad conference at 7’0 feet tall. This is a large man and not an overly skilled get.
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Also, I watched him a dozen or so times last year. He’s tall.
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Why do you say that?
He’s a tall, white guy?
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Other than being tall and white Froling and Johnson are very different players
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Other than being tall and white Froling and Johnson are very different players
Yes, as is every player. I’m simply saying he’s not all that good.
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Look at the numbers. 7.1 ppg in a bad conference at 7’0 feet tall. This is a large man and not an overly skilled get.
He's actually good enough to start for MU...if you take his numbers and extrapolate them over 40 mins, he AVERAGES 13PPG and 14 rebounds. He's 5x the player Froling is...This is a good get.
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He's actually good enough to start for MU...if you take his numbers and extrapolate them over 40 mins, he AVERAGES 13PPG and 14 rebounds. He's 5x the player Froling is...This is a good get.
Morrow and Chartouney. Chartouney was an absolute travesty. Morrow was not good last year. Under Wojo MU has become the land where transfers go to die.
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Morrow was not good last year.
Reveals how very little you know about basketball.
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Morrow and Chartouney. Chartouney was an absolute travesty. Morrow was not good last year. Under Wojo MU has become the land where transfers go to die.
You might need to purchase a TV.
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Look at the numbers. 7.1 ppg in a bad conference at 7’0 feet tall. This is a large man and not an overly skilled get.
But Froling averaged 3.3ppg/3rpg/.2bpg between SMU and MU?
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Yes, I need to purchase a TV and know nothing about basketball. Averaged 15 minutes per game, 5.6 points, and 4.5 rebounds. Sat out an entire year previous to this where he averaged 23.4 minutes per game, 9.4 points, and 7.5 rebounds. Oh, in a much more tough and physical big ten. Tell me those were the numbers you were hoping for.
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Furthermore, you being ok with that type of production from Morrow is the same reason why you are fine with 5 years and 0 tourney wins.
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The timing and maturity were off for Harry Froling at both SMU and MU. Ed Morrow didn't fully recover from groin surgery until late in the season. Morrow will open some eyes in the coming season. I think it would have done Joseph Chartouny a world of good to have spent the past summer on campus rather than with the Lebanese National team. Katin Reinhardt, Andrew Rowsey and Matt Carlino were pretty solid transfer additions.
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Agreed on Andrew, Katin, and Carlino
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Welcome, Jayce!!! Another big body, strong rebounder on both ends, good shot blocker, efficient scorer (59.7% shooting) and doesn't turn the ball over. At the very least, he'll provided much-needed depth in the front court. Should give Wojo a lot of lineup flexibility.
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Yes, I need to purchase a TV and know nothing about basketball. Averaged 15 minutes per game, 5.6 points, and 4.5 rebounds. Sat out an entire year previous to this where he averaged 23.4 minutes per game, 9.4 points, and 7.5 rebounds. Oh, in a much more tough and physical big ten. Tell me those were the numbers you were hoping for.
Morrow had a role. He played it well most of the season. That's what unselfish role players do, and every good team needs players like that.
His last season at Nebraska, 2016-17, the Huskers did not have the conference player of the year and a second-team all-conference player. He did not have to share a position with the conference's leading shot-blocker. He played for a 12th-place team, not a team that contended for a league title. He played for a team that won exactly half as many games overall as we did last season, and he had a larger role for that obviously talent-strapped team.
If you do not think Morrow was a valuable piece for us last year, a guy who played a pretty big role in a few huge wins -- especially F%cky, but also Nova, Providence and others -- than no, you do not know much about basketball.
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Morrow had a role. He played it well most of the season. That's what unselfish role players do, and every good team needs players like that.
His last season at Nebraska, 2016-17, the Huskers did not have the conference player of the year and a second-team all-conference player. He did not have to share a position with the conference's leading shot-blocker. He played for a 12th-place team, not a team that contended for a league title. He played for a team that won exactly half as many games overall as we did last season, and he had a larger role for that obviously talent-strapped team.
If you do not think Morrow was a valuable piece for us last year, a guy who played a pretty big role in a few huge wins -- especially F%cky, but also Nova, Providence and others -- than no, you do not know much about basketball.
He just wasn’t that good. That’s it. Role to play or not. The eye test says it all.
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Agreed on Andrew, Katin, and Carlino
So much for "where transfers go to die"
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He just wasn’t that good. That’s it. Role to play or not. The eye test says it all.
OK, you're allowed to have an opinion ... no matter how wrong it may be.
Your "where transfers go to die" line also showed how little you know. So little that you had to backtrack on it just a few comments later.
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Also, I watched him a dozen or so times last year. He’s tall.
Really? How?
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This is great. Same people will be on this thread next year at this time saying we will win an NCAA game in year 7. You bring players in to help you win in the tourney. Our last 3 transfers have done nothing to help that. Are you not tired of losing?? Don’t you see you just keep on pushing out expectations? How fun has not winning a tourney game in 5 years and internal team chaos been for you?
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Morrow is going to run the point
So Howard can play off the ball?
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Really? How?
Great question. Did you purchase a sports package that has the PAC 12 network?
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This is great. Same people will be on this thread next year at this time saying we will win an NCAA game in year 7. You bring players in to help you win in the tourney. Our last 3 transfers have done nothing to help that. Are you not tired of losing?? Don’t you see you just keep on pushing out expectations? How fun has not winning a tourney game in 5 years and internal team chaos been for you?
24 wins is losing? Hmm. I thought losing is when you lost more than you won...oh, you mean not winning certain games. I see. Our last three transfers have helped in other ways, including helping to get to the postseason. I think you will enjoy Koby a great deal and he help d us this year in practice. Ed Morrow didn’t help us get to the NCAA tournament this year? Rowsey didn’t help? Reinhardt didn’t help? Sure, JC wasn’t great and neither was Harry, but some of your statements seem a bit overboard.
Internal team chaos seems to have be n solved with the two people leaving...do you know how much team chaise we had under O’Neill, Buzz, Crean, McGuire.....all the time. Just like many schools, sorry but that is way more often than people care to admit.
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Great question. Did you purchase a sports package that has the PAC 12 network?
I cannot wait to hear his answer on the dozen times he saw him play.
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I cannot wait to hear his answer on the dozen times he saw him play.
Jonny must have seen him play, how else would he know he's tall?
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One possibly optimistic stat I found. Johnson was recovering from a foot injury that slowed him down. He seemed to get healthier and stronger as the season went on and it showed in his numbers. Over his last 12 games, he averaged 8.3 points, 10.3 rebounds, 1.3 blocks and shot 59.7% from the floor. Could mean that with another offseason to heal, his numbers could look better than the season averages.
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Morrow and Chartouney. Chartouney was an absolute travesty. Morrow was not good last year. Under Wojo MU has become the land where transfers go to die.
Yeah, Rowsey was terrible
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Welcome, Jayce. I hope he's more productive than the Aussie.
I saw his game at Kentucky, and he just has a knack for positioning his body to rebound. It’s apparent how boxing out is so instinctual to him. He has a couple good, aggressive post moves. No comparison to Froling, who for some reason, was just really hesitant as a player.
On a side note, Jemarl Baker entered the same game late and immediately flashed some perimeter moves and sank back-to-back long range threes. Would love for us to bring him aboard.
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Couldn't agree more that offensively Ed cannot play more than 24 inches from the basket. He is NOT a 4. This signing gets us back to 15 fouls at the 5 as Ed and Theo are capable of both fouling out in the first half. Should also send the message that unfortunately Ike will never play for MU.
This is potentially a key insight. If Ike was really on a path to playing this year, would we need Johnson? Maybe his bulk and experience, as compared to Ike being a project, makes it worth it, but there is little chance that there would be enough playing time for 4 guys at the 5.
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This is potentially a key insight. If Ike was really on a path to playing this year, would we need Johnson? Maybe his bulk and experience, as compared to Ike being a project, makes it worth it, but there is little chance that there would be enough playing time for 4 guys at the 5.
Jayce is here for a year. Ike is (hopefully) going to get his first game action for MU this year so Ike most likely wasn’t going to be a huge contributor this year anyway. Hopefully he is healed and can play a little
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Jayce is here for a year. Ike is (hopefully) going to get his first game action for MU this year so Ike most likely wasn’t going to be a huge contributor this year anyway. Hopefully he is healed and can play a little
Plus next year he'd only be behind theo
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Hopin' ta bee pleasantly surprised, rather dan bitterly disappointed, aina? Translation=knot expectin' much, hey?
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This is great. Same people will be on this thread next year at this time saying we will win an NCAA game in year 7. You bring players in to help you win in the tourney. Our last 3 transfers have done nothing to help that. Are you not tired of losing?? Don’t you see you just keep on pushing out expectations? How fun has not winning a tourney game in 5 years and internal team chaos been for you?
WTF has any of this to do with Jayce Johnson?
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The timing and maturity were off for Harry Froling at both SMU and MU. Ed Morrow didn't fully recover from groin surgery until late in the season. Morrow will open some eyes in the coming season. I think it would have done Joseph Chartouny a world of good to have spent the past summer on campus rather than with the Lebanese National team. Katin Reinhardt, Andrew Rowsey and Matt Carlino were pretty solid transfer additions.
I admire your optimism, but I don't think that mattered a bit. He was holding his own against the cupcakes, but when the BE rolled around, he largely struggled. I don't think a summer would have changed that.
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10.3 rebounds
Rebounding was probably the biggest question mark without with the Hausers and we found a guy who can rebound. Good.
I don't expect him to play enough to average 10 boards, but if he can give 15-20 and 5 boards, that's good. It will interesting to see if Wojo trots out the Morrow+Theo or Morrow+Jayce (or the twin towers of Theo+Jayce). Did Morrow and John ever see the floor together last year?
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The offense would have to drastically change, but Xavier had success down the stretch of the season last year playing both Hankins and Jones together down low, neither of which could shoot outside of 3 feet from the hoop and neither of which had much quickness laterally to defend a 4 on the perimeter. Not to mention our perimeter shooting with Markus, Koby, and Sacar should be much better than theirs was with Scruggs, Marhsall, and Goodin. They just got after it on the offensive glass, which is something Marquette would be able to do if you're going 5'10", 6'4", 6'8" and lanky, 6'8" and beefy, and 7'.
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The offense would have to drastically change, but Xavier had success down the stretch of the season last year playing both Hankins and Jones together down low, neither of which could shoot outside of 3 feet from the hoop and neither of which had much quickness laterally to defend a 4 on the perimeter. Not to mention our perimeter shooting with Markus, Koby, and Sacar should be much better than theirs was with Scruggs, Marhsall, and Goodin. They just got after it on the offensive glass, which is something Marquette would be able to do if you're going 5'10", 6'4", 6'8" and lanky, 6'8" and beefy, and 7'.
Yessir. This signing gives Wojo some options, some ability to match up with other tall teams, and some ability to force other teams to match up to our size. It also gives depth and more fouls to use at the 5.
If I could have hand-picked a grad transfer, I'd have taken Blackshear, followed by a guy who could shoot 3s, defend and rebound a little. But we obviously aren't able to get Blackshear, and there are very few of the latter. So I'm glad Wojo brought in Jayce, and I look forward to him being another solid role player to surround Markus and whoever else emerges as scorers.
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Yessir. This signing gives Wojo some options, some ability to match up with other tall teams, and some ability to force other teams to match up to our size. It also gives depth and more fouls to use at the 5.
If I could have hand-picked a grad transfer, I'd have taken Blackshear, followed by a guy who could shoot 3s, defend and rebound a little. But we obviously aren't able to get Blackshear, and there are very few of the latter. So I'm glad Wojo brought in Jayce, and I look forward to him being another solid role player to surround Markus and whoever else emerges as scorers.
I completely agree. I'm surprised by some of the responses questioning why we made this move. As I've stated before, going into the season with Theo and Ed as the only big bodies would have been flirting with disaster in the absence of those who jumped ship. Heldt's role was small but significant on the occasions we needed him this year. Sure someone like Blackshear would have been fantastic, but not many like that around. Jayce can definitely contribute to this team and I don't see a downside with him being immediately available for a one year slot. I think this was an important get for depth purposes.
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I was really hoping for this. Don't think this drastically changes expectations or anything, but this is a no-brainer signing and really gives us some front court depth and options.
Most importantly for me is that we needed some good news in the worst way and at least this is something positive. Welcome aboard.
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I believed for a long time that a team needs three scorers and two complimentary players that are willing to do all the dirty work. Morrow does not need to score. He needs to understand his job is to defend and rebound.
Ike was a project player when we recruited him. He has basically misses 2 years of practice. There is no reason to believe he can make a significant contribution if he can even get on the court.
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Good news. Welcome Jayce.
My expectations for this team are still the same...make the NCAA tournament. After that anything can happen. We made the Sweet 16 as an 11 seed in 2011.
I think this will help, although not drastically. I do see Ed getting a chance at earning the starting spot at 4 and if he can do that we will be better for it.
At this point I'll take whatever good news we can get.
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I believed for a long time that a team needs three scorers and two complimentary players that are willing to do all the dirty work.
Do the complimentary players just stand around and tell the others how great they are?
Oh, and another pet peeve of mine, Bilsu - it's would have, should have, could have. Or you could just use the contraction, should've. Or even Brooklynese - shoulda.
(http://i.imgur.com/ltInhsM.gif)
Thanks for letting me get this off of my chest.
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Yeah, Rowsey was terrible
Well, to be fair, on one end of the court he was. But I loved the 3 from the logo!
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I completely agree. I'm surprised by some of the responses questioning why we made this move. As I've stated before, going into the season with Theo and Ed as the only big bodies would have been flirting with disaster in the absence of those who jumped ship. Heldt's role was small but significant on the occasions we needed him this year. Sure someone like Blackshear would have been fantastic, but not many like that around. Jayce can definitely contribute to this team and I don't see a downside with him being immediately available for a one year slot. I think this was an important get for depth purposes.
Yep. We not only had Heldt for an emergency, but also could put Joey and even Sam at the 5 in certain situations. None of those options exist now. As others have said, it really was a no-brainer get. Happy to have Jayce with the Warriors.
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We did not get worse by signing him, so hope for the best. Do not know enough about him to make him any true judgement on how much impact he will have on the squad.
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Hopin' ta bee pleasantly surprised, rather dan bitterly disappointed, aina? Translation=knot expectin' much, hey?
I agree with this analysis
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So will Marquette have 2 or 3 (Koby?) Mormons on the team now?
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And sam and joey not providing help defense you should add. Mu will be noatbly better on defense
Unless Jayce has feet that face the wrong way, team "D" will improve dramatically without the Hauser's. And "D" is the most important part of this get.
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So will Marquette have 2 or 3 (Koby?) Mormons on the team now?
Zero Mormons. Maybe some Latter-day Saints though.
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Zero Mormons. Maybe some Latter-day Saints though.
Aren't they the same thing? Almost positive
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I agree with this analysis
If only his brother or father played in the NBA!
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Aren't they the same thing? Almost positive
they are. The LDS Church no longer wants "Mormons" used to describe their members.
https://www.lds.org/church/news/mormon-is-out-church-releases-statement-on-how-to-refer-to-the-organization?lang=eng
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they are. The LDS Church no longer wants "Mormons" used to describe their members.
https://www.lds.org/church/news/mormon-is-out-church-releases-statement-on-how-to-refer-to-the-organization?lang=eng
Must be the Musical.
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We did not get worse by signing him, so hope for the best. Do not know enough about him to make him any true judgement on how much impact he will have on the squad.
This board is for uninformed hot takes. Take your “mitigating-ness” elsewhere. Thank you.
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Interesting interview with Jayce after a solid performance earlier this year
https://pac-12.com/videos/jayce-johnson-credits-working-vertical-slimming-down-recent-production
PS Always great when the interviewer can look eye to eye with the interviewee lol
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Yes, I need to purchase a TV and know nothing about basketball. Averaged 15 minutes per game, 5.6 points, and 4.5 rebounds. Sat out an entire year previous to this where he averaged 23.4 minutes per game, 9.4 points, and 7.5 rebounds. Oh, in a much more tough and physical big ten. Tell me those were the numbers you were hoping for.
Dude... do you really think you just took a dig at a guy by making a dig at another guy who has a feature article about his draft prospects on ESPN.com.
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A guy who averaged 7 points a game last year at Utah will save the season!
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A guy who averaged 7 points a game last year at Utah will save the season!
Nope.
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Does anyone know if Jayce and Markus are friends? I see they both attended Findlay College Prep and I believe they overlapped.
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Are y'all really whining about a 7 footer we just signed? This is our first real center in like 40 years.
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Are y'all really whining about a 7 footer we just signed? This is our first real center in like 40 years.
You’re not even a good troll. At least say something that is remotely believable.
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Does anyone know if Jayce and Markus are friends? I see they both attended Findlay College Prep and I believe they overlapped.
Markus only played one year at Findlay. I believe Jayce was a freshman at Utah that year.
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You’re not even a good troll. At least say something that is remotely believable.
But for real. Our only other center over 6'9 in years on Otule. One eyed otule. Let's think about some of the centers we've had in previous years. Davante gardner, Theo John, Matt Heldt, Luke Fischer (who's listed at 6'11... but ya.) Lazar Hayward, Osssmaaaaanbaaaarooo
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But for real. Our only other center over 6'9 in years on Otule. One eyed otule. Let's think about some of the centers we've had in previous years. Davante gardner, Theo John, Matt Heldt, Luke Fischer (who's listed at 6'11... but ya.) Lazar Hayward, Osssmaaaaanbaaaarooo
Oooohhhhhh.....
So now you are qualifying your statement by using the 6'9" limitation to disqualify Davante. But you also now seem to be forgetting that you said "40 years." Which excludes the following players:
Tom Copa (NBA player)
Jim McIlvaine (NBA player, GMC player of the year)
Amal McCaskill (NBA player)
Robert Jackson (general badass)
Jayce Johnson will very likely not be as good as any of them. Furthermore, Theo John and Luke Fischer are "real centers."
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A guy who averaged 7 points a game last year at Utah will save the season!
... claimed not a single Scooper.
Does anyone know if Jayce and Markus are friends? I see they both attended Findlay College Prep and I believe they overlapped.
Don't think they overlapped. But even if they didn't, it's interesting that somebody who probably knows a lot about "selfish Markus" would agree to be his teammate when he had numerous other choices.
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Oooohhhhhh.....
So now you are qualifying your statement by using the 6'9" limitation to disqualify Davante. But you also now seem to be forgetting that you said "40 years." Which excludes the following players:
Tom Copa (NBA player)
Jim McIlvaine (NBA player, GMC player of the year)
Amal McCaskill (NBA player)
Robert Jackson (general badass)
Jayce Johnson will very likely not be as good as any of them. Furthermore, Theo John and Luke Fischer are "real centers."
Davante too damn big to touch the rim, is my favorite player. He was never a center. I watched the tbt 2 years ago and watched him get demolished by a true 7 footer. Yes you are correct about mcllvaine. I guess I should have been less sarcastic in my 40 year claim and instead dipped into 25.
And Luke "lost his spot to heldt" Fischer was the worst "center" of the bunch
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Davante Gardner was a college basketball center. Period. Who cares how he did in a glorified pick up tournament?
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Davante Gardner was a college basketball center. Period. Who cares how he did in a glorified pick up tournament?
Davante was a forward forced into playing the center position because Marquette lacked a true center. And he was exposed on being to small vertically.
Are you saying Lazar was also a center because he played the position in college?
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Davante was a forward forced into playing the center position because Marquette lacked a true center. And he was exposed on being to small vertically.
Which is why he perfected his toss-it-up-and-put-it-back move. IIRC 97% of his offensive rebounds were balls he simply bounced off the backboard to himself.
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Don't think they overlapped. But even if they didn't, it's interesting that somebody who probably knows a lot about "selfish Markus" would agree to be his teammate when he had numerous other choices.
Really? I know very little about any guy who went to my high school for one year after I was already in college. Actually nothing.
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Davante was a forward forced into playing the center position because Marquette lacked a true center. And he was exposed on being to small vertically.
Are you saying Lazar was also a center because he played the position in college?
No I'm saying that Davante was a traditional, yet undersized, back to the basket post scorer and therefore a center. Tell me what part of his game leads you to believe he was a forward? He rarely played with Otule on the floor, rarely faced the basket with the ball, and had limited range.
Lazar was a forward who had to play center out of necessity.
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Really? I know very little about any guy who went to my high school for one year after I was already in college. Actually nothing.
I don't know many, either ... although I do know two fairly well: One went on to be a good college athlete and the other a politician.
But you might be right. Jayce might not know anything about Markus ... and that ignorance could lead to his spirit being crushed next season just as Joey's was.
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He rarely played with Otule on the floor, rarely faced the basket with the ball, and had limited range.
Actually, his senior year, he played too much on the floor with Otule, was forced to guard on the perimeter and had the rest of his shortcomings exposed. Which was one of the problems with that team. Phenomenal low post scorer, but ultimately a one trick pony.
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Actually, his senior year, he played too much on the floor with Otule, was forced to guard on the perimeter and had the rest of his shortcomings exposed. Which was one of the problems with that team. Phenomenal low post scorer, but ultimately a one trick pony.
One Trick: Free throw shooting! A-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c !!!!!
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Are y'all really whining about a 7 footer we just signed? This is our first real center in like 40 years.
"Real" Marquette centers that I can remember watching play in my Marquette basketball fandom that will be better than Jayce:
McIlvane
Jackson
McKaskill
Gardner
Centers that he'll be roughly equal to:
Theo
Ed
Otule
Barro
Fischer
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One Trick: Free throw shooting! A-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c !!!!!
One of the great myths. He had a nice stretch where he made 90%+ FTs IIRC. But his career percentage was .790 and he regressed to .781 as a senior after shooting .835 as a junior.
Solid percentage, especially for a big, but hardly automatic. The chant was silly, and who knows ... might have even put pressure on him that caused him to miss some.
His "trick" was that he was a talented low-post scorer with great hands and good footwork.
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"Real" Marquette centers that I can remember watching play in my Marquette basketball fandom that will be better than Jayce:
McIlvane
Jackson
McKaskill
Gardner
Centers that he'll be roughly equal to:
Theo
Ed
Otule
Barro
Fischer
You can think that. You named 2 players who were actually centers with imposing size and rebounding skills. You'll learn this next year what being 7 feet tall actually does for a team. All these 6'9s were a stopgap.
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You can think that. You named 2 players who were actually centers with imposing size and rebounding skills. You'll learn this next year what being 7 feet tall actually does for a team. All these 6'9s were a stopgap.
Okay. Well then you missed Yusapha Mbao and Liam McMorrow.
If your definition of a "true center" is a 7', then you are right, we haven't had many of those. Not a great definition, but terms can mean different things to different people.
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Nobody has a lot of centers if 7' is the definition. Interesting that this definition gets stricter and stricter as the conversation progresses.
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At least we have someone now who can match up with Sandro Mamukelashvili when we play the Hall.
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At least we have someone now who can match up with Sandro Mamukelashvili when we play the Hall.
He's a stretch PF that can hit threes. I will be concerned if Jayce has to defend him.
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Really? I know very little about any guy who went to my high school for one year after I was already in college. Actually nothing.
Yeah but the basketball team is a tight knit small group. It’s not unusual for the incoming players to at least bump elbows with outgoing seniors. Plus it’s not like they were a senior and an 8th grader. I’d really be shocked if they didn’t at least know each other before.
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Okay. Well then you missed Yusapha Mbao and Liam McMorrow.
If your definition of a "true center" is a 7', then you are right, we haven't had many of those. Not a great definition, but terms can mean different things to different people.
Itd be hard to include players who never played a game.
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He's a stretch PF that can hit threes. I will be concerned if Jayce has to defend him.
Agree, I should have qualified as to getting rebounds off the boards.
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At least we have someone now who can match up with Sandro Mamukelashvili when we play the Hall.
This might be the most random, out-of-left-field comment I have ever read on Scoop
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Itd be hard to include players who never played a game.
Mbao played. Very forgettably, but he played.
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Mbao played. Very forgettably, but he played.
How could one forget Buzz teaching him, as Mbao subbed into the game, how to do jumping jacks in front of the inbounder when they needed a full court heave at the end of a game?
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Oooohhhhhh.....
So now you are qualifying your statement by using the 6'9" limitation to disqualify Davante. But you also now seem to be forgetting that you said "40 years." Which excludes the following players:
Tom Copa (NBA player)
Jim McIlvaine (NBA player, GMC player of the year)
Amal McCaskill (NBA player)
Robert Jackson (general badass)
Jayce Johnson will very likely not be as good as any of them. Furthermore, Theo John and Luke Fischer are "real centers."
I'll be damned if you are going to exclude Richard Shaw from that...
Almost made it through that post with a straight face.
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Glad to have this guy aboard. Guys who can rebound at those rates don't grow on trees. Plus while the Pac-12 may have been down, its not like its the A-10 or something.
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Mbao played. Very forgettably, but he played.
I remember him well. Putting him at the top of the key doing what looked like jumping jacks on defense was pretty funny to watch.
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Are y'all really whining about a 7 footer we just signed? This is our first real center in like 40 years.
Jim McIlvain says "Hi"
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Jayce closed out last season strong. His stats from the last 12 games of the 2018-19 campaign:
26.8 mpg
59.7 FG%
10.3 rpg
1.3 bpg
8.3 ppg
That stretch includes 9 games with double-figure rebounds and 3 double-doubles. He also blocked 3 or more shots 3 times in Utah's last 5 games. I'll take defense and rebounding like that any day.
One downside: Johnson could be the worst free throw shooter we've seen in a Marquette uniform in quite a while. He shot 40% on the year, just 31.7% (13-41) in the last 12 games. He did manage 63.0% the season before, so maybe he can get back to respectable territory.
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Rod Grosse?
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He'll have his work cut out for him to dethrone Derrick Wilson from recent memory.
Wilson only shot 50% one season. His freshman year he was 10/19 from the line.
Although I still remember Ric Cobb. 65/166 as a senior. 39.2%
I think Jon Harris and Marcus Jackson were also around 40% career shooters. Wasn't Harris under 25% one year?
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Saint Louis had three talented bigs who played significant minutes (until a transfer).
They often had any two of them play at the same time, with three guards.
DJ Foreman (6-8, 240) - similar to Theo's game,
Hasahn French (6-7, 235) - a carbon copy of Ed Morrow
and Carte'are Gordon (6-9, 230) - similar build to JJ
This presented a good interchangeable front line that beat Butler and Seton Hall, and that's without the much better guards and wings that Marquette has.
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Saint Louis had three talented bigs who played significant minutes (until a transfer).
They often had any two of them play at the same time, with three guards.
DJ Foreman (6-8, 240) - similar to Theo's game,
Hasahn French (6-7, 235) - a carbon copy of Ed Morrow
and Carte'are Gordon (6-9, 230) - similar build to JJ
This presented a good interchangeable front line that beat Butler and Seton Hall, and that's without the much better guards and wings that Marquette has.
We do not aspire to be Saint Louis.
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We do not aspire to be Saint Louis.
Yes, I was expecting this response.
That is not where I am going.
St Louis instituted a revolving three big system where two of them play and they were surrounded by three guards.
Both the bigs and the guards were not nearly as talented or athletic as Marquette's players.
This strategy brought them success against two Big East teams last year, as well as an average Oregon State team.
So I am only making a recent comparison to a system that was somewhat effective against Power conference teams, even without the talent of Marquette.
I watched St. Louis because Marquette was on the fringe in pursuing Hasahn French a few years back and I really liked his game.
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He'll have his work cut out for him to dethrone Derrick Wilson from recent memory. Wilson only shot 50% one season. His freshman year he was 10/19 from the line.
Although I still remember Ric Cobb. 65/166 (39.2%) as a senior. I think Jon Harris and Marcus Jackson were also around 40% career shooters. Wasn't Harris under 25% one year?
Good memory for awful foul shooting.
One correction: Derrick Wilson never shot even 50% at the line in a single season. His best year percentage-wise was as a senior: 34-72 (47.2%). He was 84-195 (45.6%) for his career (2011-15). So consistently pretty bad.
Marcus Jackson was worse (39.4%) in his Marquette career. Jon Harris was equally terrible, with a career FT mark of 39.7%. During his sophomore year, Harris made just 13 of 51 shots (25.5%) from the line.
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He'll have his work cut out for him to dethrone Derrick Wilson from recent memory.
Wilson only shot 50% one season. His freshman year he was 10/19 from the line.
Although I still remember Ric Cobb. 65/166 as a senior. 39.2%
I think Jon Harris and Marcus Jackson were also around 40% career shooters. Wasn't Harris under 25% one year?
Not sure Ric Cobb hit the rim on 50% of his foul shots. Always an adventure.
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Rod Grosse?
Why do you want to make me cry?
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Why do you want to make me cry?
That Luerk, nethan, Grosse frontline was special. Loved Joe, though - very talented.
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That Luerk, nethan, Grosse frontline was special. Loved Joe, though - very talented.
throw in roman.muller too
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throw in roman.muller too
Majerus called him the biggest sleeper since Rip Van Winkle. He ultimately was a solid contributor on Majerus’s Ball state team that went to the NCAAs.
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Must be the Musical.
Think they are tired of people just calling them the appropriate term morons
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Think they are tired of people just calling them the appropriate term morons
ban this guy
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I think Jon Harris and Marcus Jackson were also around 40% career shooters. Wasn't Harris under 25% one year?
It was so hard to watch Jon shoot FT's because one could tell it was mental. He was a 80% FT shooter in HS and just lost it. I still remember him going 4-4 during OT when we lost in 3 OT to Louisville in 2001. When he hit those free throws I was positive that was a sign we were going to win.
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That Luerk, nethan, Grosse frontline was special. Loved Joe, though - very talented.
Hi Joe
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Majerus called him the biggest sleeper since Rip Van Winkle.
My favorite Majors one liner - reminiscent of something Al might have said.
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throw in roman.muller too
Friends call him “Ray”
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Friends call him “Ray”
Or Jay, or Johnny, or Sonny...kind of o silly bit, but I laughed out loud the first time I saw it.
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Friends call him “Ray”
His lady friend called him Big Roman Candle, hey?