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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on May 07, 2019, 02:23:57 PM
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well at least this should stabilize the recruiting waters for a while??????????
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So that explains the sound of wojo haters heads popping...
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I dig it.
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I dig it.
I agree with this assessment.
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well at least this should stabilize the recruiting waters for a while??????????
What is the buyout? I am sure Keefe has plenty stored away to make it happen.
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There is one positive in this. If a scenario plays out where Wojo can squeeze out a 21-22 win ,3rd in Big East type year that may be enough to get him near enough to the top few picks when coaching carousel starts up next year. With the additional years MU can get a bigger buyout and can be ahead on the deal. Who know the Arizona job May open and Wojo would be the perfect Mr. Clean for them post Miller.
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There is one positive in this. If a scenario plays out where Wojo can squeeze out a 21-22 win ,3rd in Big East type year that may be enough to get him near enough to the top few picks when coaching carousel starts up next year. With the additional years MU can get a bigger buyout and can be ahead on the deal. Who know the Arizona job May open and Wojo would be the perfect Mr. Clean for them post Miller.
Now that he is locked up, you care to drop the anti-wojo bit? Great, thanks!
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hahaha, could not be happier just to watch everyone complain.
<Obvious thing happens>
I can't believe this obvious thing would happen!
<RAGE>
lol.
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fairly neutral on this. I'd like tournament success I really would, but if he levels us out as what providence has become (prior to this past year) then I'm fine with it for a few more years before I'll start to get truly frustrated.
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I'm s anti Wojo as they come, as you all know. That being said..I would NEVER root against MU to fail, just to see Wojo fail. I have liked his recruiting chops since Day 1, it's his coaching/leadership, I think there are still some questions about...Believe me, I would love NOTHING more than to see him lead MU to a National Championship.
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fairly neutral on this. I'd like tournament success I really would, but if he levels us out as what providence has become (prior to this past year) then I'm fine with it for a few more years before I'll start to get truly frustrated.
Really?? You'd be happy with a Providence level program??
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If he swung this type of deal at any other school I would say he must have a helluva of an agent. Sadly, with deal being done at MU, he likely did not need an agent.
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There is one positive in this. If a scenario plays out where Wojo can squeeze out a 21-22 win ,3rd in Big East type year that may be enough to get him near enough to the top few picks when coaching carousel starts up next year. With the additional years MU can get a bigger buyout and can be ahead on the deal. Who know the Arizona job May open and Wojo would be the perfect Mr. Clean for them post Miller.
Yes, so we can then start another rebuild.
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If he swung this type of deal at any other school I would say he must have a helluva of an agent. Sadly, with deal being done at MU, he likely did not need an agent.
I do think, more than anything else, this shows Goose, what we have feared..the administration's level of commitment to the program and what level of program they are satisfied with.
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I do think, more than anything else, this shows Goose, what we have feared..the administration's level of commitment to the program and what level of program they are satisfied with.
Been saying for years the Bromance is alive and well. Only way we get rid of this turkey is for him to win enough for some desperate Power 5 program to pony up the coin necessary
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Hmm, the Instagram post has been deleted. So, uh, #DoneDeal?
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MU deleted the IG post about it.
It was put up or shut up for MU, they had to do something. You can't have a guy recruiting past his contract.
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Guess we won’t be bringing Tony Bennett home ☹️
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I worked with a coach who was extended for 5 years and was fired two seasons later. The extension was done to stop rumors on the recruiting trail that the coach was going to be fired (a recruit specifically mentioned this in choosing another school). In exchange for the extension, the buyout was lowered significantly. So before the Wojo haters hit the panic button here, maybe this is MU's strategy - to show stability but provide more flexibility on their end.
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Really?? You'd be happy with a Providence level program??
5 tournament appearances in a row? I wouldn't reject that. I'd be ok with making the tournament given who's here, their experience at that point and what I expect of them. I'll get impatient for more after about two more years of seasons like this.
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If he swung this type of deal at any other school I would say he must have a helluva of an agent. Sadly, with deal being done at MU, he likely did not need an agent.
For all we know, his buyout was reduced should we need to fire him. There’s a lot of ways this extension could have gone down.
Interesting to me that they used a picture of him hugging
Markus.
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Would not have made sense to show a picture of him hugging Sam.🙄
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Good for Wojo! Good for MU! Go MU! RahRah!
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I worked with a coach who was extended for 5 years and was fired two seasons later. The extension was done to stop rumors on the recruiting trail that the coach was going to be fired (a recruit specifically mentioned this in choosing another school). In exchange for the extension, the buyout was lowered significantly. So before the Wojo haters hit the panic button here, maybe this is MU's strategy - to show stability but provide more flexibility on their end.
Exactly.
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well at least this should stabilize the recruiting waters for a while??????????
Key word here "stabilize the recruiting waters". What the hell does that mean? What recruits is Eojo going to bring in
All this shows is that the 2.5 million gift bought Wojo for 5 more years. The mediocrity message is loud, clear, and perpetuates mediocrity. All Wojo worshippers should prepare themselves for more letdowns like the last 3 months. And MU can own that.
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5 tournament appearances in a row? I wouldn't reject that. I'd be ok with making the tournament given who's here, their experience at that point and what I expect of them. I'll get impatient for more after about two more years of seasons like this.
you have to realize you're dealing with people who are still living in the 70's when it comes to MU hoops.
I'd like more postseason success than PC. I'd take Xavier level of success.
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Key word here "stabilize the recruiting waters". What the hell does that mean? What recruits is Eojo going to bring in
All this shows is that the 2.5 million gift bought Wojo for 5 more years. The mediocrity message is loud, clear, and perpetuates mediocrity. All Wojo worshippers should prepare themselves for more letdowns like the last 3 months. And MU can own that.
You should learn how contracts work in college sports before offering an opinion. Have a grape soda
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What were the terms?
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In today's age do extensions even matter?
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In today's age do extensions even matter?
No
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fairly neutral on this. I'd like tournament success I really would, but if he levels us out as what providence has become (prior to this past year) then I'm fine with it for a few more years before I'll start to get truly frustrated.
From everything I've read you're a big fan and a competitor. When I hear from someone with that profile that he's hoping we can become freakin' Providence College.....OMFG.
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In today's age do extensions even matter?
Only to show recruits the school is committed to a coach. And maybe if the buyout price is increased.
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And isn't this extension only two years? Basically to get him through the next recruiting cycle.
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you have to realize you're dealing with people who are still living in the 70's when it comes to MU hoops.
Buzz was our coach in the 70s? Who knew?
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Hey, I have wanted MU to state their objective/goal for the program for a decade, and today they gave to us. Hopefully this helps Wojo get that knockout 2020 class I have been reading about for a year.
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From everything I've read you're a big fan and a competitor. When I hear from someone with that profile that he's hoping we can become freakin' Providence College.....OMFG.
I am, or at least was, the pint to workout ratio over here hasn't swayed towards competing much. but I see us currently as 2/3 tournament appearances and a third that was a bubble team. I don't want to go backwards. Thus if we can continue or improve to Providence's 5 in a row I'll be happy. Note happiness doesn't mean I'll be going nuts and ecstatic but I'll be pleased that we didn't take a step back and remained very competitive through some major turnover in the next two years.
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Providence hasn't reached the second weekend of the tournament in 22 years. MU needs to be better than that.
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Hey, I have wanted MU to state their objective/goal for the program for a decade, and today they gave to us. Hopefully this helps Wojo get that knockout 2020 class I have been reading about for a year.
I don't know if he will or not but it's off to a good start! If current recruiting rankings hold, Symir Torrence is the 5th highest rated recruit to commit to Marquette since 2000.
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Providence hasn't reached the second weekend of the tournament in 22 years. MU needs to be better than that.
Jesus Christ people I'm not saying I want us to be providence or that id be celebrating those seasons. Merely happy that we were an upper echelon program for 5yrs straight at that point.
Also MU has 5 second weekend appearances in 40yrs. Thats one every 8 years. What indicator is there that were a mainstay.
Let me clarify for everyone:
Providence= Happy we continue to be top tier competitive
Xavier= Actually happy with where we're at
Villanova= My hopes, dreams and desires
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Good timing for this. There hasn't been a hint that the decision makers are mad at Wojo. This is just a public affirmation. And in the end, if circumstances change, he can still be fired. A signal of stability and confidence helps recruiting.
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Whenever the news does get officially released, it will only affirm preconceived thoughts about Wojo's tenure here at Marquette from a variety of fans. If you support Wojo, you will view this as "good news", as it undoubtedly helps with recruiting, allows the program to continue its current upward trajectory, and allows for stability in the coming seasons; if you want Wojo gone, it is a commitment to mediocrity, a foolish decision that will only postpone Marquette's return to greatness that much longer.
The fact of the matter is that contracts in college basketball mean nothing. Coaches are free to negotiate under a current deal with other schools (and, often times, leverage those talks into a bonus or salary increase). In rare cases for certain coaches, see Jamie Dixon and Rick Barnes, the shrewd buyouts mandated by the schools provide them with security and financial incentive to offer whomever the next coach inevitably is.
There is very little support to argue this is a bad development for the program, if true. If the program has a successful season next year, then it is a win/win/win for the school, Wojo and the fans. If it struggles, then I hardly believe that this extension will prevent the coaching staff from getting on the hot seat for 20-21 (and possibly encourage Wojo to pursue another job in advance of Duke's inevitable opening, not unlike Cuonzo Martin leaving California, Jamie Dixon leaving TCU, Frank Martin leaving K-State, etc.).
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From everything I've read you're a big fan and a competitor. When I hear from someone with that profile that he's hoping we can become freakin' Providence College.....OMFG.
Better than becoming Dayton....
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This was obvious and is being misconstrued. Wojo was already signed through 2021-22, so it's adding 2 years to the deal. This lets Wojo tell recruits he will be at Marquette their entire college career. He just had a relatively good season. Not as good as it looked in February, but the best in his tenure. Add two years, adjust the buyout, and if he hits it big, negotiate it further.
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Non-news
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I see MU waited until May to re-up his contract.
Clearly, they weren't eager! #Arbys
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I have very mixed emotions about this one. On one hand, you need a commitment to a coach, no matter who he or she is, that demonstrates the University is committed to him or her through the four years you expect/hope/wish the recruits you bring will be with you.
That's what Marquette did today.
In the long-term, all Marquette did was up the cost of the buyout if next year is a dumpster fire. If Coach Wojo recruits and we get the team we hope for next year, then the renewal was a great thing. And, I do think that if things go well next year, Coach Wojo will be with us a long, long time.
I'm not sold on the fact that after the Baby Hauser convinced his brother to leave that the dumpster fire has been put out. And while I understand what Marquette did, the simmering problems between the Brothers Hauser and Coach Wojo and the apparent inability to manage it concerns me and leads to having today's actions leave a bad taste in my mouth.
One would hope in the process Marquette told Coach Wojo that our expectations are threefold. If you're reading this, members of the Board of Trustees, please be sure this is your priority:
1) Marquette will be among the strongest earners on an attendance, television and merchandising basis among NCAA Division 1 basketball programs. (OK, it's about money because this helps pay for things the university needs).
2) Marquette must be a consistent elite level college basketball program. We will be a Top 10 program in Division 1 College Basketball that competes for National Championships and routinely is among the two or three best Big East teams. (This creates visibility for the University and allows Marquette to showcase other things it does well).
3) Marquette will graduate as close to 100 percent of its student athletes -- including college basketball players -- as practicable in today's intercollegiate sports world. This is something we've always done and is something that was a point of pride when Coach McGuire was here. Even the guys who left early got their degrees!
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Yep. This was needed from a recruiting standpoint.
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This was obvious and is being misconstrued. Wojo was already signed through 2021-22, so it's adding 2 years to the deal. This lets Wojo tell recruits he will be at Marquette their entire college career. He just had a relatively good season. Not as good as it looked in February, but the best in his tenure. Add two years, adjust the buyout, and if he hits it big, negotiate it further.
Plus 100. If you weren't going to extend him, you almost had to fire him. Doing nothing would have set the program back further because recruiting would have dried up.
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Providence hasn't reached the second weekend of the tournament in 22 years. MU needs to be better than that.
Marquette hasn’t reached the first weekend in the last five years. Baby steps.
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I do think, more than anything else, this shows Goose, what we have feared..the administration's level of commitment to the program and what level of program they are satisfied with.
Either the administration sees the forest through the trees or you guys do. I hope you are wrong.
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I have very mixed emotions about this one. On one hand, you need a commitment to a coach, no matter who he or she is, that demonstrates the University is committed to him or her through the four years you expect/hope/wish the recruits you bring will be with you.
That's what Marquette did today.
In the long-term, all Marquette did was up the cost of the buyout if next year is a dumpster fire. If Coach Wojo recruits and we get the team we hope for next year, then the renewal was a great thing. And, I do think that if things go well next year, Coach Wojo will be with us a long, long time.
By elite do you mean he has permission to pay players like LSU, Auburn, Kansas, AZ, Oregon and the host of others mentioned in the FBI indictments the past few months.
There is not a level playing field in NCAA basketball and until the Schools and NCAA start to care. There never will be.
I'm not sold on the fact that after the Baby Hauser convinced his brother to leave that the dumpster fire has been put out. And while I understand what Marquette did, the simmering problems between the Brothers Hauser and Coach Wojo and the apparent inability to manage it concerns me and leads to having today's actions leave a bad taste in my mouth.
One would hope in the process Marquette told Coach Wojo that our expectations are threefold. If you're reading this, members of the Board of Trustees, please be sure this is your priority:
1) Marquette will be among the strongest earners on an attendance, television and merchandising basis among NCAA Division 1 basketball programs. (OK, it's about money because this helps pay for things the university needs).
2) Marquette must be a consistent elite level college basketball program. We will be a Top 10 program in Division 1 College Basketball that competes for National Championships and routinely is among the two or three best Big East teams. (This creates visibility for the University and allows Marquette to showcase other things it does well).
3) Marquette will graduate as close to 100 percent of its student athletes -- including college basketball players -- as practicable in today's intercollegiate sports world. This is something we've always done and is something that was a point of pride when Coach McGuire was here. Even the guys who left early got their degrees!
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One would hope in the process Marquette told Coach Wojo that our expectations are threefold. If you're reading this, members of the Board of Trustees, please be sure this is your priority:
2) Marquette must be a consistent elite level college basketball program. We will be a Top 10 program in Division 1 College Basketball that competes for National Championships and routinely is among the two or three best Big East teams. (This creates visibility for the University and allows Marquette to showcase other things it does well).
To me, this is completely unrealistic in today's modern college bball landscape. Marquette hasn't been at this level since Al, if then even. To think we can be a blueblood/elite/consistent top 10, is a bit much.
I'm sure 99% of the fan base would be happy with consistent top 25/NCAA appearances and occasional high seeds/deep runs. Even that is still rarified air.
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To me, this is completely unrealistic in today's modern college bball landscape. Marquette hasn't been at this level since Al, if then even. To think we can be a blueblood/elite/consistent top 10, is a bit much.
I'm sure 99% of the fan base would be happy with consistent top 25/NCAA appearances and occasional high seeds/deep runs. Even that is still rarified air.
Gag me! P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!!
We are not DePaul. We can be and will be if the commitment is there.
Consistent Top 25 -- let's try Consistent Top 10! What does Duke have that we do not? Consistent coaching with an HOF coach. We're the same size. Yeah, they play in the ACC but they're about as much of a factor in football as Vanderbilt is in the SEC.
Then there's Villanova. Our Big East cousin who is a Top 10 consistent performer and has two recent Nattys. What does Villanova have that we don't? Coaching stability for one thing. Have you been to Philadelphia lately? Weather about as crappy as our's!
We need to cast our lot with a great coach who can recruit and then go get the job done. Coaching stability is everything. If Wojo is the guy, great. Get us back to where we belong. We can get there. We will!
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From The Score app:
Marquette head coach Steve Wojciechowski has agreed to a five-year contract extension through the 2023-24 season, the school announced on Tuesday.
Wojciechowski led the Golden Eagles to their second NCAA Tournament appearance in three campaigns, though Murray State eliminated them this season in the opening round.
"We are excited about the direction of our program and the progress it has made, both on and off the court, during Steve's tenure," vice president and director of athletics Bill Scholl said in a statement.
"If you look at where the program was when he took over, it's easy to see we are on the right path in terms of competitive success and what our players are accomplishing in the classroom and contributing in the community."
Wojciechowski replaced Buzz Williams in April 2014, and he now holds a 97-69 record across five seasons at the helm.
Marquette posted a 24-10 record last season, finishing second in the Big East after going 12-6 in conference play. The school reached as high as No. 10 in the AP polls.
"There is still work to be done and our passionate, dedicated and deserving fans can be assured that our staff and players are working extremely hard on a daily basis to make sure their program is considered among the nation's elite on a consistent basis," Wojciechowski said.
The Golden Eagles should contend again in the Big East next season with leading scorer Markus Howard returning. However, the team was dealt a blow with the transfers of starters Sam and Joey Hauser.
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I'm s anti Wojo as they come, as you all know. That being said..I would NEVER root against MU to fail, just to see Wojo fail. I have liked his recruiting chops since Day 1, it's his coaching/leadership, I think there are still some questions about...Believe me, I would love NOTHING more than to see him lead MU to a National Championship.
Awesome post! I take back any and all snarky responses to you in the past!
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Reading some of the enlightened people on social media saying this is equivalent to DePaul really makes me wonder what the MU education is worth if people are that stupid.
Watching heads explode even better.
Watching the word mediocrity incorrectly used is priceless.
And finally, reminding people of the 6th place Big East non NIT team he inherited....cathartic.
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Key word here "stabilize the recruiting waters". What the hell does that mean? What recruits is Eojo going to bring in
All this shows is that the 2.5 million gift bought Wojo for 5 more years. The mediocrity message is loud, clear, and perpetuates mediocrity. All Wojo worshippers should prepare themselves for more letdowns like the last 3 months. And MU can own that.
Yessss embrace your hatred!
This is the anger I was hoping for. Not gonna lie, the board hasn’t jumped off a cliff on this and I’m a little disappointed.
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Plus 100. If you weren't going to extend him, you almost had to fire him. Doing nothing would have set the program back further because recruiting would have dried up.
Totally agree. It was stick with Wojo or cut bait. I think MU made the right choice. We only wish he made it easier for MU.
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Several of us said in January this was going to happen. Normal and required. Sorry people have a bee in their bonnet...too bad.
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I do think, more than anything else, this shows Goose, what we have feared..the administration's level of commitment to the program and what level of program they are satisfied with.
Yeah, they are committed to going to the post season three straight years, competing for a Big East title, having All American type players represent us and no issues off the court with the law.
Damn....WTF is this administration thinking! How dare they!!!!
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Gag me! P-L-E-A-S-E!!!!!
We are not DePaul. We can be and will be if the commitment is there.
Consistent Top 25 -- let's try Consistent Top 10! What does Duke have that we do not? Consistent coaching with an HOF coach. We're the same size. Yeah, they play in the ACC but they're about as much of a factor in football as Vanderbilt is in the SEC.
Then there's Villanova. Our Big East cousin who is a Top 10 consistent performer and has two recent Nattys. What does Villanova have that we don't? Coaching stability for one thing. Have you been to Philadelphia lately? Weather about as crappy as our's!
We need to cast our lot with a great coach who can recruit and then go get the job done. Coaching stability is everything. If Wojo is the guy, great. Get us back to where we belong. We can get there. We will!
Name the consistent top 10 teams and then let’s talk about gagging. This is so unrealistic at this point it is laughable. Seriously. Villanova wasn’t in the top 10 this year, so thus aren’t a top ten consistent team. I’d like to know who you deem meets that requirement and then we can work backward on why that aspiration for MU is a great goal, but highly unrealistic.
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MUBB getting roasted on twitter for this. It’s reassuring to see that even though the administration is trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes by saying the program has made “tremendous progress” under Wojo, most aren’t buying it.
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I worked with a coach who was extended for 5 years and was fired two seasons later. The extension was done to stop rumors on the recruiting trail that the coach was going to be fired (a recruit specifically mentioned this in choosing another school). In exchange for the extension, the buyout was lowered significantly. So before the Wojo haters hit the panic button here, maybe this is MU's strategy - to show stability but provide more flexibility on their end.
Lavin was always a lame duck. He had the great misfortune to coach at two programs that misunderstood their place in the world..
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MUBB getting roasted on twitter for this. It’s reassuring to see that even though the administration is trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes by saying the program has made “tremendous progress” under Wojo, most aren’t buying it.
I wouldn't call a handful of Twitter tough guys "most"
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Wow what a gift. Hopefully this has less to do with MU being committed to Wojo for the next several years (barring significant improvement) and more to do with optics for recruiting
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Name the consistent top 10 teams and then let’s talk about gagging. This is so unrealistic at this point it is laughable. Seriously. Villanova wasn’t in the top 10 this year, so thus aren’t a top ten consistent team. I’d like to know who you deem meets that requirement and then we can work backward on why that aspiration for MU is a great goal, but highly unrealistic.
You just make it too god damn easy for me, you know that?? Seriously...you do Chicos...“Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity.” Will Smith
Is it really that hard to understand??
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Yeah, they are committed to going to the post season three straight years, competing for a Big East title, having All American type players represent us and no issues off the court with the law. NIT doesn't count and where are the wins in the postseason? And still haven't won one after a monumental, unprecedented collapse last year.
Damn....WTF is this administration thinking! How dare they!!!!
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I wouldn't call a handful of Twitter tough guys "most"
Thank you!
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You should learn how contracts work in college sports before offering an opinion. Have a grape soda
I did not know you were the guru of basketball contracts. So please expound you knowledge, while slurping your wojo kool aid.
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Yeah, they are committed to going to the post season three straight years, competing for a Big East title, having All American type players represent us and no issues off the court with the law.
Damn....WTF is this administration thinking! How dare they!!!!
They obviously aren't thinking that they strive to become one of the elite's in college basketball...wow! 3 straight post seasons(You must subscribe to Mike Deane's thinking that MU fans should be happy with NIT appearances), with ZERO...count 'em...ZERO NCAA tourney wins, and ZERO Big east titles after a monumental, unprecedented collapse to finish second. That's definitely extension worthy. I'm not worried though..it's only for the appearance to recruits..again, I want NOTHING more then to see MU win a National Championship again..if Wojo is that guy...great, but it's more likely he isn't.
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I do think, more than anything else, this shows Goose, what we have feared..the administration's level of commitment to the program and what level of program they are satisfied with.
No screaming shice. More losses than the imagination can contemplate
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MUBB getting roasted on twitter for this. It’s reassuring to see that even though the administration is trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes by saying the program has made “tremendous progress” under Wojo, most aren’t buying it.
Yes, because all fans are responding on Twitter. What denominator are you using to define most? The 15 anti-people on Twitter? Awesome analytics.
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You just make it too god damn easy for me, you know that?? Seriously...you do Chicos...“Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity.” Will Smith
Is it really that hard to understand??
List the top 10 programs and we can analyze together. Feel free to list them...thanks
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MUBB getting roasted on twitter for this. It’s reassuring to see that even though the administration is trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes by saying the program has made “tremendous progress” under Wojo, most aren’t buying it.
It's crazy how much power social media gives to anybody. It's even more crazy how much people bash others through social media.
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Guru
Since NIT doesn’t count, when are we tearing the NIT banner down and removing the accomplishment from the locker room, and all other acknowledgement from MU? And shouldn’t MU basketball decide what counts and what doesn’t?
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Yessss embrace your hatred!
This is the anger I was hoping for. Not gonna lie, the board hasn’t jumped off a cliff on this and I’m a little disappointed.
The board has not jumped off the cliff because many here have swallowed the Wojo mystique, and are looking for any excuse to save Wojos massive wilt and fiasco with Hausers. I heard that wojo got the extension because he wowed the admin with a killer light sabre and power point pitch that included smoke, malarkey, mirrors, spin, hocus pocus, and lots of promises to trend in right direction. Long stay for Wojo will make everybody happy with regular NIT invites.
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Since NIT doesn’t count, when are we tearing the NIT banner down and removing the accomplishment from the locker room, and all other acknowledgement from MU? And shouldn’t MU basketball decide what counts and what doesn’t?
You seriously aren't this dense are you?? Really?? When have you EVER seen any fan base in CBB(save for rinky dink programs) that LIKE/enjoy seeing their team in the NIT?? The NIT CONSTANTLY is bashed. 99% of the players that go, don't even want to be there, but you can't decline a bid anymore.
Mike Deane must have left a great impression on you, really...if you're proud of MU playing in the NIT. Small minds have small dreams I guess.
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The board has not jumped off the cliff because many here have swallowed the Wojo mystique, and are looking for any excuse to save Wojos massive wilt and fiasco with Hausers. I heard that wojo got the extension because he wowed the admin with a killer light sabre and power point pitch that included smoke, malarkey, mirrors, spin, hocus pocus, and lots of promises to trend in right direction. Long stay for Wojo will make everybody happy with regular NIT invites.
Well it will obviously make Chicos happy since he lists it proudly amongst Wojo's "accomplishments". ::)
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Reading some of the enlightened people on social media saying this is equivalent to DePaul really makes me wonder what the MU education is worth if people are that stupid.
Watching heads explode even better.
Watching the word mediocrity incorrectly used is priceless.
And finally, reminding people of the 6th place Big East non NIT team he inherited....cathartic.
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Reading some of the enlightened people on social media saying this is equivalent to DePaul really makes me wonder what the MU education is worth if people are that stupid.
Watching heads explode even better.
Watching the word mediocrity incorrectly used is priceless.
And finally, reminding people of the 6th place Big East non NIT team he inherited....cathartic.
You are right Murf. The word mediocre is incorrectly used for Wojo. How about unimpressive, or marginal or unsatisfactory, or clueless
But you get the drift.
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Reading some of the enlightened people on social media saying this is equivalent to DePaul really makes me wonder what the MU education is worth if people are that stupid.
Watching heads explode even better.
Watching the word mediocrity incorrectly used is priceless.
And finally, reminding people of the 6th place Big East non NIT team he inherited....cathartic.
I guess the first time we did this it didn't register...so I will try it one more time, since you are obviously a bit "challenged"...Below you will find the OFFICIAL definition of mediocrity..
adjective
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate:
Okay, so...you want to compare MU to the rest of the CBB world(or a majority of it, like Rutgers, Penn State etc). You CANNOT do that...this definition is up to each individuals relative desires for what they want MU to be as a program..No NCAA wins and NO BE titles in 5 years is "barely adequate" to some of us...to you, NIT's are an accomplishment, so YOUR definition of mediocrity is different than others(because it fits your agenda).
2. not satisfactory; poor; inferior:
Again...to YOU Wojo's tenure doesn't fit the definition of Mediocre(but you think small time). To those of us that want better/more from the MARQUETTE(not all the other D1 schools) program...the results have not been satisfactory, and have been poor and inferior.
I've laid it all out for you, let's not have this discussion again, okay?? His results have been MEDIOCRE for where the MU basketball program SHOULD be. That's a FACT. Look at his two predecessors and where they were after 5 years...so before you spew your unrealistic BS..that's an apples to apples comparison...Marquette program under Crean and Buzz, to MU program under Wojo. There's NO comparison. period. End of discussion.
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Comparing yourself to Rutgers is small time thinking.
Firing a coach who just earned a 5 seed because you weren't happy with how long the rebuild took is also small time thinking.
Not extending a coach beyond the next recruiting cycle because you're scared you might have to fire him is the smallest time thinking.
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Comparing yourself to Rutgers is small time thinking.
Firing a coach who just earned a 5 seed because you weren't happy with how long the rebuild took is also small time thinking.
Not extending a coach beyond the next recruiting cycle because you're scared you might have to fire him is the smallest time thinking.
This is my issue, to ME MU should NEVER have to rebuild, they should simply...reload...and what I mean by that is, they should always have good enough talent to make the NCAA's, or at least VERY close to it.
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This is my issue, to ME MU should NEVER have to rebuild, they should simply...reload...and what I mean by that is, they should always have good enough talent to make the NCAA's, or at least VERY close to it.
You can feel this way, but the need for a rebuild wasn't because of Wojo. That happened before he got here.
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You can feel this way, but the need for a rebuild wasn't because of Wojo. That happened before he got here.
Not entirely true...I know it's unprecedented but Wojo did NOT have to release all the recruits he did...he didn't have to dismiss Todd Mayo from the team...and further, IF a rebuild was necessary, it should take ONE year at the most then be right back to making the NCAA's again without much trouble. His has taken longer than it really should.
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Yes, because all fans are responding on Twitter. What denominator are you using to define most? The 15 anti-people on Twitter? Awesome analytics.
Over one hundred comments on Instagram. The vast majority of them upset with the decision. The administration didn’t have much of a choice with the extension, but pretending the anti-Wojo crowd is a small minority is naive.
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I love that Scoopers are now using Instagram comments as a sampling of the Marquette fanbase’s feelings/opinions.
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Muguru,
At first I thought you were just having fun with a couple of people on this board. The post about not letting recruits out and keeping Mayo just showed me how really, really, really you are out of touch with college basketball.
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Not entirely true...I know it's unprecedented but Wojo did NOT have to release all the recruits he did...he didn't have to dismiss Todd Mayo from the team...and further, IF a rebuild was necessary, it should take ONE year at the most then be right back to making the NCAA's again without much trouble. His has taken longer than it really should.
This is just so ridiculously absurd.
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Over one hundred comments on Instagram. The vast majority of them upset with the decision. The administration didn’t have much of a choice with the extension, but pretending the anti-Wojo crowd is a small minority is naive.
Sounds very scientific.
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This deal probably has been in the works for quite some time. Wouldn't be surprised if serious talks were going on months and months ago.
The program has been on an upward trajectory, and by all appearances it has been a clean program. Recruiting has been solid. Players have improved, some significantly.
It getting this contract finalized and announced now, it also could be the administration saying, "We believe the narrative that the Hauser thing was not mostly on our coach, if at all."
And of course it's about recruiting. As a few other Scoopers said, we were at "extend or fire" time as far as dealing with recruiting goes. Given those 2 choices, and given what else is out there, extending him was the easy choice for MU.
Several of us (dozens, I'm guessing) said at several points this season -- after the Indiana and Kansas losses, after the first St. John's loss, after the way the season ended, and after the Hausers left -- that Wojo was more likely to get extended than fired. So this is should not be the least bit surprising.
And even though coaches have gotten fired a couple/few years after signing extensions, this also probably means his seat won't even be slightly lukewarm in 2019-20.
It doesn't change a thing for me: I am expecting a very good season.
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You seriously aren't this dense are you?? Really?? When have you EVER seen any fan base in CBB(save for rinky dink programs) that LIKE/enjoy seeing their team in the NIT?? The NIT CONSTANTLY is bashed. 99% of the players that go, don't even want to be there, but you can't decline a bid anymore.
Mike Deane must have left a great impression on you, really...if you're proud of MU playing in the NIT. Small minds have small dreams I guess.
It depends. When your team is young, I have seen programs quite pleased with a NIT. It is better than nothing at all. No one is saying it is better than the ncaa...no one. You said it was completely worthless and doesn’t count, so I again ask when are we striking the NIT appearances and the NIT championship from the record books since you have declared it has no value?
99%....please provide the source for this false statement of yours.
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Well it will obviously make Chicos happy since he lists it proudly amongst Wojo's "accomplishments". ::)
If we go to the NCAA four of every five years and the NIT is the consolation in that off year, I can live with that.
So list those top ten programs that we should just easily step into because it is “where we belong” and where we apparently are supposed to be because in our 100 years we were there for all of 10% of the time.
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This is my issue, to ME MU should NEVER have to rebuild, they should simply...reload...and what I mean by that is, they should always have good enough talent to make the NCAA's, or at least VERY close to it.
That’s how completely out of touch with reality you are. But “very close to it” means NIT which you juSt crapped all over...classic.
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Over one hundred comments on Instagram. The vast majority of them upset with the decision. The administration didn’t have much of a choice with the extension, but pretending the anti-Wojo crowd is a small minority is naive.
LOL. How many people didn’t bother to comment and are not counted at all? You know, a guy winning an election with 60% of the vote wins in a landslide, yet 40% still don’t want him and can bitch all day and night on Instagram about it....right?
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Not entirely true...I know it's unprecedented but Wojo did NOT have to release all the recruits he did...he didn't have to dismiss Todd Mayo from the team...and further, IF a rebuild was necessary, it should take ONE year at the most then be right back to making the NCAA's again without much trouble. His has taken longer than it really should.
Keep Todd Mayo....my God are you totally out to lunch. And you think you know things that go on in the program and you make that absurd statement. That’s an all time keeper.
Poor guy, it took two years. Using your same logic, after three straight ncaa tournaments we shouldn’t miss everything including the NIT, but we did with Buzz. Weird. If on,y those pesky human beings weren’t involved and basketball players were just robots, injuries didn’t happen, eligibility was never an issue, and life was predictable li,e it was in the 1970’s....eh?
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Muguru
I take it back. You know a lot about college hoops. Your background as a college AD makes you more than qualified to comment. I especially enjoyed your previous jobs as
- The AD at UCLA who fired Ben Howland
- The AD at Texas who fired Rick Barnes
- The AD at Pittsburgh who fired Jamie Dixon
- The AD at St Johns who fired Steve Lavin
Cleared out all those mediocre coaches and left the program in much better shape.
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If we go to the NCAA four of every five years and the NIT is the consolation in that off year, I can live with that.
So list those top ten programs that we should just easily step into because it is “where we belong” and where we apparently are supposed so be because in our 100 years we were there for Ll of 10% of the time.
4 out of 5 years? Seriously? Give me one god damn GOOD reason(other than being decimated by injuries) that MU should NOT make the NCAA'S every single year? Now keep in mind..programs like UW made it what? 17 straight? Gonzaga has been there 17 or 18 straight I believe..the list goes on and on..now if MU goes 15 straight years and misses once..okay major outlier..i can forgive that..but 4 out of 5? Especially in this day and age when it's not hard at all to make the NCAA tournament..thats unacceptable
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Muguru
I take it back. You know a lot about college hoops. Your background as a college AD makes you more than qualified to comment. I especially enjoyed your previous jobs as
- The AD at UCLA who fired Ben Howland
- The AD at Texas who fired Rick Barnes
- The AD at Pittsburgh who fired Jamie Dixon
- The AD at St Johns who fired Steve Lavin
Cleared out all those mediocre coaches and left the program in much better shape.
Are you comparing Wojo to those Coaches? If you are..then you're the one that knows absolutely nothing about college BB..oh and Dixon wasn't fired..he left on his own.
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4 out of 5 years? Seriously? Give me one god damn GOOD reason(other than being decimated by injuries) that MU should NOT make the NCAA'S every single year? Now keep in mind..programs like UW made it what? 17 straight? Gonzaga has been there 17 or 18 straight I believe..the list goes on and on..now if MU goes 15 straight years and misses once..okay major outlier..i can forgive that..but 4 out of 5? Especially in this day and age when it's not hard at all to make the NCAA tournament..thats unacceptable
The list goes on and on? Nope, it doesn’t. In fact the list is very short.....that’s why. Very short currently in today’s day and age of college basketball. This just in the 1970’s called and they want their Ford Pinto back.
In our history we have made it 5 straight or more two times in our history. McGuire in the 70’s and Crean/ Buzz combo in the 2000’s.
Do I think we can? Yes. Do I expect it or believe it is the normal course of college hoops now...no. The number of schools that currently have 6 or more straight NCAA appearances is....drum roll...is 7 schools.
Nova
Kansas
Duke
Gonzaga
UNC
Cincinnati
Michigan State
That’s it!!!!!!
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Dixon was told to walk. That's why he didn't have to pay a buyout to Pittsburgh. And take a look at Bennett's record at VA, Jay Wright's record at Nova and Beilein's record at MI. Your and others would have fired them after year 4 or 5. So excuse me if I think you guys are idiots.
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I have seen programs quite pleased with a NIT. It is better than nothing at all.
NO IT'S NOT!!!
The NIT lost its cache when the NCAA expanded to 48 and then 64 teams, a long time ago and when at-large teams could include conference teams other than the conference champion.
After the NCAA expanded, the NIT was toast. It's been on life support ever since.
Keep in mind that when we won the NIT in 1970, the NCAA was a 24-team tournament and the NIT competition may have been as good as the NCAA. In our year, competitors included Dr. J and Pistol Pete Maravich, both of whom were beaten by Marquette. Now,. it's an embarrassment even for mid-majors.
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NO IT'S NOT!!!
The NIT lost its cache when the NCAA expanded to 48 and then 64 teams, a long time ago and when at-large teams could include conference teams other than the conference champion.
After the NCAA expanded, the NIT was toast. It's been on life support ever since.
Keep in mind that when we won the NIT in 1970, the NCAA was a 24-team tournament and the NIT competition may have been as good as the NCAA. In our year, competitors included Dr. J and Pistol Pete Maravich, both of whom were beaten by Marquette. Now,. it's an embarrassment even for mid-majors.
No, it actually isn’t an embarrassment. In fact the current version of the NIT is better than the version from 20 years ago. Back then they would take. 14-14 Iowa or Purdue team because of attendance. At least now they take conference champions that lose in their conference tournament. It helped us being in the NIT two years ago as it did Oregon. It often gives younger teams a chance to play in one and done situations. Disagree with you strongly. No one is saying it is better than the NCAAs, absolutely no one. But to say it is better to not go to any tournament than the NIT is mindboggling.
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No, it actually isn’t an embarrassment. In fact the current version of the NIT is better than the version from 20 years ago. Back then they would take. 14-14 Iowa or Purdue team because of attendance. At least now they take conference champions that lose in their conference tournament. It helped us being in the NIT two years ago as it did Oregon. It often gives younger teams a chance to play in one and done situations. Disagree with you strongly. No one is saying it is better than the NCAAs, absolutely no one. But to say it is better to not go to any tournament than the NIT is mindboggling.
You keep asking, “If the NIT sucks, why do we hang a banner for it?” Don’t ask me why they do it. Personally, I’d be fine if it was taken down.
Also, how did being in the NIT help us? We crapped the bed in our one and done situation this year. Playing in the NIT two years ago couldn’t have mattered less as far as this past season went.
I don’t understand why you’re so adamant about defending the NIT. It’s a strange hill to die on.
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The list goes on and on? Nope, it doesn’t. In fact the list is very short.....that’s why. Very short currently in today’s day and age of college basketball. This just in the 1970’s called and they want their Ford Pinto back.
In our history we have made it 5 straight or more in a row ONE time....under McGuire. Now, if you wish to use a rolling approach, count it as six times....all the same coach....McGuire.
Crean never did it at any of his jobs
Majerus never even made it once at MU
Buzz never did it at any of his jobs
O’Neill never did it an ay of his jobs
Do I think we can? Yes. Do I expect it or believe it is the normal course of college hoops now...no. The number of schools that currently have 6 or more straight NCAA appearances is....drum roll...is 7 schools.
Nova
Kansas
Duke
Gonzaga
UNC
Cincinnati
Michigan State
That’s it!!!!!!
Agree with your overall premise but we definitely had a streak of 8 straight recently 3 crean 5 Buzz
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Just interested. How many teams have turned down a NIT invite over the past 10 years? Louisville players voted not to go a couple of years ago because they felt slighted at not making the tournament but went any way.
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Agree with your overall premise but we definitely had a streak of 8 straight recently 3 crean 5 Buzz
You are correct...I will fix.
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No, it actually isn’t an embarrassment. In fact the current version of the NIT is better than the version from 20 years ago. Back then they would take. 14-14 Iowa or Purdue team because of attendance. At least now they take conference champions that lose in their conference tournament. It helped us being in the NIT two years ago as it did Oregon. It often gives younger teams a chance to play in one and done situations. Disagree with you strongly. No one is saying it is better than the NCAAs, absolutely no one. But to say it is better to not go to any tournament than the NIT is mindboggling.
Brother Cheeks, love ya man, but I just don't see it.
Twenty years ago was 1999 and the NCAA was 64 teams, two less than it is now. The talent pool for the NIT was badly diluted. Other than a few bubble teams that got aced out from the NCAA tournament in an effort to be "sensitive" to low mid-majors, there's no one in the NIT that's even close to the top 48 in the NCAA tournament.
By your measure, the NCAA should bring back third place games in the regional tournaments, since any game is better than no game. Or why not have the NFL play the third-place game again for the same reason.
I get the 1940s to the 1970s, when the NIT was in many years better than the NCAA. But after the expansion to 64 teams, the NIT became the NOT INVITED TOURNAMENT.
Brother Cheeks, nothing personal and if you're ever around, we can have the first annual Scoop forensic challenge. Topic: Should Marquette ever again accept an NIT bid? I'll take the negative and the loser buys the Pabst!
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The list goes on and on? Nope, it doesn’t. In fact the list is very short.....that’s why. Very short currently in today’s day and age of college basketball. This just in the 1970’s called and they want their Ford Pinto back.
In our history we have made it 5 straight or more in a row ONE time....under McGuire. Now, if you wish to use a rolling approach, count it as six times....all the same coach....McGuire.
Crean never did it at any of his jobs
Majerus never even made it once at MU
Buzz never did it at any of his jobs
O’Neill never did it an ay of his jobs
Do I think we can? Yes. Do I expect it or believe it is the normal course of college hoops now...no. The number of schools that currently have 6 or more straight NCAA appearances is....drum roll...is 7 schools.
Nova
Kansas
Duke
Gonzaga
UNC
Cincinnati
Michigan State
That’s it!!!!!!
Honestly if you want the truth I just don't care as much as I used to Wojo's tenure has really sap the enjoyment and pleasure out of Marquette basketball for me.. and then I come to this board and there's "fan's" like you and so many others that just..repeatedly go on and on and on about how the MU program is a "nice program, but will never be elite". I get so tired of hearing it.
People around me have said " what's wrong with you, you used to eat, breathe and sleep Marquette basketball". I tell them the last 5 years is what happened to me..tired of the losing and the general malaise that seems to eminate from the program and a majority of fans.
Mediocrity has been injected into my veins the last 5 years..not by choice mind you..and I simply don't have the energy for it anymore..so Chicos..congratulations..you and your fellow people(the Wojo slurpers, the small time accepters, the small time thinkers)..you win...you and Wojo have sucked the life out of me..maybe it's for the best.
One final thought..I wonder if as a parent you have taught your kids to "dream big" or that they can be "whatever they want to be"..or if one of them says "Dad, I wanna be an astronaut when I grow up". If you encourage them or if you say " well, that's great, but that's not realistic..only xxx #of people ever become astronauts, so you aren't likely to ever be one".
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You keep asking, “If the NIT sucks, why do we hang a banner for it?” Don’t ask me why they do it. Personally, I’d be fine if it was taken down.
Also, how did being in the NIT help us? We crapped the bed in our one and done situation this year. Playing in the NIT two years ago couldn’t have mattered less as far as this past season went.
I don’t understand why you’re so adamant about defending the NIT. It’s a strange hill to die on.
Because it got our guys playing more games together, which is usually a good thing...and was a nice springboard into this season....which then led to a good regular season.
I don’t understand why you ignore the fact the NIT is the postseason and if it wasn’t important we should rip it out of any accomplishments. I further don’t understand people saying missing the postseason altogether is better than making the postseason.
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One final thought..I wonder if as a parent you have taught your kids to "dream big" or that they can be "whatever they want to be"..or if one of them says "Dad, I wanna be an astronaut when I grow up". If you encourage them or if you say " well, that's great, but that's not realistic..only xxx #of people ever become astronauts, so you aren't likely to ever be one".
Depends on how old the kid is and how realistic the expectation is.
When my 5-year-old daughter told me she wanted to be president of the United States, I said that was a great goal and it was something she could achieve through extremely hard work, dedication, good deeds, etc.
If she had told me at 20 it was still her goal, I'd have said, "That's an admirable goal, and I believe in you. Having said that, I do hope you'll have a backup plan because there have been only 44 presidents in the history of our country, and the odds are obviously incredibly long."
When my son was 5, he wanted to play in the NBA. I said that was a great goal and it was something he could achieve through extremely hard work and dedication.
If he had told me at 20 it was still his goal, I'd have said, "OK ... but you stopped playing competitive basketball after your sophomore year of high school. So maybe you need a new goal."
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Brother Cheeks, love ya man, but I just don't see it.
Twenty years ago was 1999 and the NCAA was 64 teams, two less than it is now. The talent pool for the NIT was badly diluted. Other than a few bubble teams that got aced out from the NCAA tournament in an effort to be "sensitive" to low mid-majors, there's no one in the NIT that's even close to the top 48 in the NCAA tournament.
By your measure, the NCAA should bring back third place games in the regional tournaments, since any game is better than no game. Or why not have the NFL play the third-place game again for the same reason.
I get the 1940s to the 1970s, when the NIT was in many years better than the NCAA. But after the expansion to 64 teams, the NIT became the NOT INVITED TOURNAMENT.
Brother Cheeks, nothing personal and if you're ever around, we can have the first annual Scoop forensic challenge. Topic: Should Marquette ever again accept an NIT bid? I'll take the negative and the loser buys the Pabst!
Brother...I don’t agree in 3rd place games.
The Not Invited to the NCAA tournament doesn’t mean same as not worthy of any postseason. We will have to disagree on the top 48.
I’ll go Lenny on you and use Ken Pom stats. Texas, Clemson, TCU, NC State, Lipscomb, Nebraska, all finished top 48 and several of those schools finished well ahead of NCAA tournament teams. Texas was good enough to beat North Carolina, Purdue, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc....problem is they were inconsistent but most NIT teams are more than capable of knocking off NCAA tournament teams and do so routinely during the season....it is their bad losses that often keep them out of the big dance.
Would be happy to buy you that Pabst. Peace
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Depends on how old the kid is and how realistic the expectation is.
When my 5-year-old daughter told me she wanted to be president of the United States, I said that was a great goal and it was something she could achieve through extremely hard work, dedication, good deeds, etc.
If she had told me at 20 it was still her goal, I'd have said, "That's an admirable goal, and I believe in you. Having said that, I do hope you'll have a backup plan because there have been only 44 presidents in the history of our country, and the odds are obviously incredibly long."
When my son was 5, he wanted to play in the NBA. I said that was a great goal and it was something he could achieve through extremely hard work and dedication.
If he had told me at 20 it was still his goal, I'd have said, "OK ... but you stopped playing competitive basketball after your sophomore year of high school. So maybe you need a new goal."
Off topic but gf teaches at bayvuew in Milwaukee and you'd be shocked how many kids who don't even play for their HS team are convinced they can make the NBA.
On topic: these are perfect analogies. It's ok for Guru to have dreams of us getting to Nova or Duke etc but when all the data including McGuire says it ain't happening then sometimes it's fine to have realistic expectations based on what we're looking at year to year.
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Honestly if you want the truth I just don't care as much as I used to Wojo's tenure has really sap the enjoyment and pleasure out of Marquette basketball for me.. and then I come to this board and there's "fan's" like you and so many others that just..repeatedly go on and on and on about how the MU program is a "nice program, but will never be elite". I get so tired of hearing it.
People around me have said " what's wrong with you, you used to eat, breathe and sleep Marquette basketball". I tell them the last 5 years is what happened to me..tired of the losing and the general malaise that seems to eminate from the program and a majority of fans.
Mediocrity has been injected into my veins the last 5 years..not by choice mind you..and I simply don't have the energy for it anymore..so Chicos..congratulations..you and your fellow people(the Wojo slurpers, the small time accepters, the small time thinkers)..you win...you and Wojo have sucked the life out of me..maybe it's for the best.
One final thought..I wonder if as a parent you have taught your kids to "dream big" or that they can be "whatever they want to be"..or if one of them says "Dad, I wanna be an astronaut when I grow up". If you encourage them or if you say " well, that's great, but that's not realistic..only xxx #of people ever become astronauts, so you aren't likely to ever be one".
I told my kids to dream big, but also be practical. So if my son said he wanted to be a MLB player, I said you better practice everyday, and just in case you may also want to hit the books really hard. Was I crushing his dreams or was I being a good parent?
No one sucked the life out of you for MU....we don’t run the program and neither do you. Sorry that robots aren’t playing. Sorry that we had some guys and a coach that allowed some really crappy things to happen and God forbid the university had to cleanup the mess....we are an institution of higher learning first, not a professional basketball program.....basketball does wonders for the school, but it is a sub brand and sub entity to the university. If you feel MU cannot get there, then find a team where academics doesn't matter, criminality doesn’t matter and only results on the court do. Cannot make it any easier for you. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy watching MU play next year....should be a fun season watching college kids, human beings, represent the university to their best ability and hopefully achieve high results in the end.
I expect a NCAA berth next year. What happens in the tournament, who knows. I expect not to have to read about arrests, sexual assaults, etc, on the third largest newspaper front pages. I think both are possible and not unrealistic. Those are my expectations. I don’t consider either of those results to be mediocre, either.
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Sounds very scientific.
I don’t understand the sarcasm. Do you and Cheeks honestly believe there’s only a minuscule percentage of the fan base that’s skeptical and/or frustrated with the resume of our head coach?
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I don’t understand the sarcasm. Do you and Cheeks honestly believe there’s only a minuscule percentage of the fan base that’s skeptical and/or frustrated with the resume of our head coach?
What I don’t believe is your characterization and that of Research Report because it was so fundamentally flawed from an analytics perspective. RR especially.
If 10000 fans heard the news and 80% of the negative ones ended up on social media but only 10% of the positive ones while 100% of the neutral opinions didn’t bother, what would the outcome look like? There is no way to know what the denominator is. It wasn’t a poll, just anonymous people complaining. That’s the problem with it.
If fans are pissed, show them who is boss and cancel your tickets.
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I don’t understand the sarcasm. Do you and Cheeks honestly believe there’s only a minuscule percentage of the fan base that’s skeptical and/or frustrated with the resume of our head coach?
The sarcasm is merely to mock the stupidity of claiming that those who comment on Instagram posts are somehow representative of the Marquette fan base as a whole.
If you truly think that's the case, I'll note that the post has more than 1,750 "likes" vs 121 comments. So, we can only assume the fanbase approves of the extension by a more than 14-to-1 margin, right?
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The sarcasm is merely to mock the stupidity of claiming that those who comment on Instagram posts are somehow representative of the Marquette fan base as a whole.
If you truly think that's the case, I'll note that the post has more than 1,750 "likes" vs 121 comments. So, we can only assume the fanbase approves of the extension by a more than 14-to-1 margin, right?
Your internet tough guy routine is humorous, but you didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly believe there is only a small minority of the fan base that’s frustrated with Wojo and his current performance as our head coach?
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Does anyone actually have any info on the terms of the deal or is this thread just going to be another Chico's "back and forth"?
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Your internet tough guy routine is humorous, but you didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly believe there is only a small minority of the fan base that’s frustrated with Wojo and his current performance as our head coach?
Yes.
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I did not know you were the guru of basketball contracts. So please expound you knowledge, while slurping your wojo kool aid.
Contracts for coaches in college athletics are largely meaningless. Coaches leave contracts all the time for other jobs. There are many instances of coaches signing extensions and then leaving shortly thereafter for another position. If Wojo has success this year, he’ll be a hot commodity. You don’t believe it and that’s fine.
On the Marquette side of things, they know without an extension, it puts the coaching staff at a disadvantage in recruiting. I’d prefer him to have a strong 2020 recruiting class than not and if this helps, great. Ultimately, it’s a big season for him and his staff. Marquette still has the option to move on, this extension does not dismiss that option. But I’m sure they prefer success and not having to make that choice and this extension helps all.
I find the reaction to this extension humorous as if this ties Marquette to Wojo for the length of it. It doesn’t. Last week, the Badgers athletic department rolled over the contracts of all their coaches for another year, a SOP. A small, but vocal subset of fans were aghast at Gard getting an “extension”. That made me chuckle as does the hand-wringing here
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Contracts no matta
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I like Wojo as a person and as a represenative of the school. Unfortunately he does not cut it as a coach. As said before the administration is willing to accept mediocrity. Time to move on as the program will continue to waffle sideways. He will not be a hot commodity so get use to more of the same.
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Your internet tough guy routine is humorous, but you didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly believe there is only a small minority of the fan base that’s frustrated with Wojo and his current performance as our head coach?
Frustrated? Sure. I would say more than a small minority of Duke fans, Kentucky fans, Villanova fans, Michigan fans, North Carolina fans, etc are all frustrated with the current performance of their head coaches. Some fans will always be frustrated with coaches, that's just how fans are. I would guess the only fanbase where it truly is a small minority right now is Virginia and that only changed recently.
But given the choice between fire and extend, which is where Marquette was, I would say only a small minority of Marquette fans would have picked the fire option.
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Your internet tough guy routine is humorous, but you didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly believe there is only a small minority of the fan base that’s frustrated with Wojo and his current performance as our head coach?
Yes.
I think you're wrong. Numerous classmates of mine who aren't on Scoop were texting me their disbelief yesterday. It may be a minority of fans, but it isn't small.
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Not entirely true...I know it's unprecedented but Wojo did NOT have to release all the recruits he did...he didn't have to dismiss Todd Mayo from the team...and further, IF a rebuild was necessary, it should take ONE year at the most then be right back to making the NCAA's again without much trouble. His has taken longer than it really should.
Well yeah he did.
And you are the first guy I have encountered who actually pined for Todd Mayo.
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Well if we are going to use social media as the voice of record, don’t you have to count the likes, too? Way more hearts and likes on IG and Twitter then negative comments and it isn’t close. Using that amazingly scientific approach, it would show a small minority. People can argue all they want on the degree of smallness.
This is the same fan base that bashes the only coach to get MU to a Final Four other than McGuire.....so I take it with a grain of salt.
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It's crazy how much power social media gives to anybody. It's even more crazy how much people bash others through social media.
This comment flew right by everyone else but just had to say.....I see what you did there. Nice 8-)
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Buzz was our coach in the 70s? Who knew?
The way he dealt with sexual assault....one would think so....or maybe even the 40’s.
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This comment flew right by everyone else but just had to say.....I see what you did there. Nice 8-)
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I think you're wrong. Numerous classmates of mine who aren't on Scoop were texting me their disbelief yesterday. It may be a minority of fans, but it isn't small.
I think the apathy crowd has increased the greatest. Still care about MU ball but wouldn’t be happy or sad if Wojo were not the coach.
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Your internet tough guy routine is humorous, but you didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly believe there is only a small minority of the fan base that’s frustrated with Wojo and his current performance as our head coach?
Internet tough guy routine? Umm, OK.
No, I'd say more than a small minority is frustrated. Which in no way alters the fact that your feeble use of Instagram comments is dumb.
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Non-news
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The list goes on and on? Nope, it doesn’t. In fact the list is very short.....that’s why. Very short currently in today’s day and age of college basketball. This just in the 1970’s called and they want their Ford Pinto back.
In our history we have made it 5 straight or more two times in our history. McGuire in the 70’s and Crean/ Buzz combo in the 2000’s.
Do I think we can? Yes. Do I expect it or believe it is the normal course of college hoops now...no. The number of schools that currently have 6 or more straight NCAA appearances is....drum roll...is 7 schools.
Nova
Kansas
Duke
Gonzaga
UNC
Cincinnati
Michigan State
That’s it!!!!!!
Originally you said we had only one coach at MU who made the NCAA 5 straight times - Al McGuire. You then listed the coaches (Crean, Buzz, Majerus, etc) who never did it. Now you CYA with an edit that say we have only made it 5 or more times twice - under Al and under Crean/Buzz.
Truth? It's simple, misstatements and goal post moving aside. 2 coaches in MU history have made the NCAA tournament 5 years in a row. Al McGuire and Buzz Williams. Tom Crean? No.
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What I don’t believe is your characterization and that of Research Report because it was so fundamentally flawed from an analytics perspective. RR especially.
If 10000 fans heard the news and 80% of the negative ones ended up on social media but only 10% of the positive ones while 100% of the neutral opinions didn’t bother, what would the outcome look like? There is no way to know what the denominator is. It wasn’t a poll, just anonymous people complaining. That’s the problem with it.
If fans are pissed, show them who is boss and cancel your tickets.
That’s fair and I don’t disagree that it’s difficult to quantify the percentage of upset fans. It just seems evident that the number of disgruntled fans is more than a selected few.
While I understand your point, canceling season tickets is a difficult ask. You don’t have to love your head coach to still love your university. I want MU to win every game. I want Wojo to succeed and I don’t disagree that extending his contract was the right thing to do from an optics standpoint. I just have major concerns about his ability to coach basketball.
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Lenny I made a mistake and fixed it, even said publicly I was fixing it. Let me know when you fix your comment about Sam being pressured in the Georgetown game....thanks....we all need Nobel leadership and you can be that shiny point of light.
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That’s fair and I don’t disagree that it’s difficult to quantify the percentage of upset fans. It just seems evident that the number of disgruntled fans is more than a selected few.
While I understand your point, canceling season tickets is a difficult ask. You don’t have to love your head coach to still love your university. I want MU to win every game. I want Wojo to succeed and I don’t disagree that extending his contract was the right thing to do from an optics standpoint. I just have major concerns about his ability to coach basketball.
And that’s fine, but that’s not how it wa portrayed especially by Research Report....the irony in the name “research”.
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Honestly if you want the truth I just don't care as much as I used to Wojo's tenure has really sap the enjoyment and pleasure out of Marquette basketball for me.. and then I come to this board and there's "fan's" like you and so many others that just..repeatedly go on and on and on about how the MU program is a "nice program, but will never be elite". I get so tired of hearing it.
People around me have said " what's wrong with you, you used to eat, breathe and sleep Marquette basketball". I tell them the last 5 years is what happened to me..tired of the losing and the general malaise that seems to eminate from the program and a majority of fans.
Mediocrity has been injected into my veins the last 5 years..not by choice mind you..and I simply don't have the energy for it anymore..so Chicos..congratulations..you and your fellow people(the Wojo slurpers, the small time accepters, the small time thinkers)..you win...you and Wojo have sucked the life out of me..maybe it's for the best.
One final thought..I wonder if as a parent you have taught your kids to "dream big" or that they can be "whatever they want to be"..or if one of them says "Dad, I wanna be an astronaut when I grow up". If you encourage them or if you say " well, that's great, but that's not realistic..only xxx #of people ever become astronauts, so you aren't likely to ever be one".
I assume you meant to type "6" every time you typed "5" as your view is based on results and Buzz's last season was a dumpster fire with regards to results
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Do you honestly believe there is only a small minority of the fan base that’s frustrated with Wojo and his current performance as our head coach?
You didn't ask me, but here goes anyway.
I'm one of those people who care deeply about the basketball program. Excellence in basketball is an extension of excellence in everything at Marquette. Plus, having a great basketball program helps provide money and attention that fuels other priorities held by the University.
In that vein, my guess is a majority of fans are frustrated with Wojo. Had the Brothers Hauser not transferred and had the Baby Hauser and the team not melted down in March, I think Wojo would have been thought of as having an ability to walk on water.
If "ifs and buts were Christmas nuts..."
The fact is the transfers and the meltdown happened. The fact is a program that spends like a blueblood (or at least a near blueblood) hasn't won even a single NCAA Championship game in many, many years. The fact is we lost to a team in the NCAAs that we had no business losing to, largely because our coach couldn't devise an effective defense to stop a team we should have clobbered. The fact is we don't seem to make effective in-game adjustments in way too many cases.
The vast majority of us see a good guy in Wojo, who runs a clean program and is doing his best to keep us out of the crime and punishment section of local and regional newspapers. But we also see the five-year record of a coach and believe we should have been in the NCAAs at least three of the last five years and should have at least a couple of NCAA wins. This makes us frustrated.
Most of us are reasonable people and understand why Coach Wojo was extended. We're willing to give him some benefit of the doubt, up to a point. I'd also suggest strong fans of Marquette really are willing to ride this horse a bit longer because the alternative is yet another three-to-five year rebuild. Nobody wants that, if it can be avoided. But most of us also believe Marquette can and will be an elite, if not blueblood, program.
That's what I suspect most of us really think!
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I've had fun watching the team during Wojo's tenure. He has recruited some really interesting players and continues to do so. The on-court product has been solid. A lot of close games, buzzer beaters, and controversial calls that have all worked to hook us even more. I've been happy with what Wojo has done. I don't think he's a genius, but the job doesn't take a genius. I don't think he is the most charismatic person either, but fans that think that's important are missing perspective. Wojo is a grinder that outworks most of his peers. That's what Milwaukee is all about, that's what Wisconsin is all about, that's what Marquette should be all about. I'm very happy with the direction he is taking the program.
To be clear, I draw zero of my life's worth from the success of MU basketball. It is clear from reading the endless debates sparked by a small group of posters on here that some of us do place some of our life's value in Marquette hoops. So I can understand the sheer anger at not being a blue blood yet, or not being a consistent top 10 team.
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Contracts for coaches in college athletics are largely meaningless. Coaches leave contracts all the time for other jobs. There are many instances of coaches signing extensions and then leaving shortly thereafter for another position. If Wojo has success this year, he’ll be a hot commodity. You don’t believe it and that’s fine.
On the Marquette side of things, they know without an extension, it puts the coaching staff at a disadvantage in recruiting. I’d prefer him to have a strong 2020 recruiting class than not and if this helps, great. Ultimately, it’s a big season for him and his staff. Marquette still has the option to move on, this extension does not dismiss that option. But I’m sure they prefer success and not having to make that choice and this extension helps all.
I find the reaction to this extension humorous as if this ties Marquette to Wojo for the length of it. It doesn’t. Last week, the Badgers athletic department rolled over the contracts of all their coaches for another year, a SOP. A small, but vocal subset of fans were aghast at Gard getting an “extension”. That made me chuckle as does the hand-wringing here
Good use of facts, and reasonable opinions. Well done.
You didn't ask me, but here goes anyway.
I'm one of those people who care deeply about the basketball program. Excellence in basketball is an extension of excellence in everything at Marquette. Plus, having a great basketball program helps provide money and attention that fuels other priorities held by the University.
In that vein, my guess is a majority of fans are frustrated with Wojo. Had the Brothers Hauser not transferred and had the Baby Hauser and the team not melted down in March, I think Wojo would have been thought of as having an ability to walk on water.
If "ifs and buts were Christmas nuts..."
The fact is the transfers and the meltdown happened. The fact is a program that spends like a blueblood (or at least a near blueblood) hasn't won even a single NCAA Championship game in many, many years. The fact is we lost to a team in the NCAAs that we had no business losing to, largely because our coach couldn't devise an effective defense to stop a team we should have clobbered. The fact is we don't seem to make effective in-game adjustments in way too many cases.
The vast majority of us see a good guy in Wojo, who runs a clean program and is doing his best to keep us out of the crime and punishment section of local and regional newspapers. But we also see the five-year record of a coach and believe we should have been in the NCAAs at least three of the last five years and should have at least a couple of NCAA wins. This makes us frustrated.
Most of us are reasonable people and understand why Coach Wojo was extended. We're willing to give him some benefit of the doubt, up to a point. I'd also suggest strong fans of Marquette really are willing to ride this horse a bit longer because the alternative is yet another three-to-five year rebuild. Nobody wants that, if it can be avoided. But most of us also believe Marquette can and will be an elite, if not blueblood, program.
That's what I suspect most of us really think!
Another very reasonable comment.
Uncle Rico and dgies ... shame on you for employing nuance and fairness. Such rational thought will make some Scoopers' heads explode.
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You didn't ask me, but here goes anyway.
I'm one of those people who care deeply about the basketball program. Excellence in basketball is an extension of excellence in everything at Marquette. Plus, having a great basketball program helps provide money and attention that fuels other priorities held by the University.
In that vein, my guess is a majority of fans are frustrated with Wojo. Had the Brothers Hauser not transferred and had the Baby Hauser and the team not melted down in March, I think Wojo would have been thought of as having an ability to walk on water.
If "ifs and buts were Christmas nuts..."
The fact is the transfers and the meltdown happened. The fact is a program that spends like a blueblood (or at least a near blueblood) hasn't won even a single NCAA Championship game in many, many years. The fact is we lost to a team in the NCAAs that we had no business losing to, largely because our coach couldn't devise an effective defense to stop a team we should have clobbered. The fact is we don't seem to make effective in-game adjustments in way too many cases.
The vast majority of us see a good guy in Wojo, who runs a clean program and is doing his best to keep us out of the crime and punishment section of local and regional newspapers. But we also see the five-year record of a coach and believe we should have been in the NCAAs at least three of the last five years and should have at least a couple of NCAA wins. This makes us frustrated.
Most of us are reasonable people and understand why Coach Wojo was extended. We're willing to give him some benefit of the doubt, up to a point. I'd also suggest strong fans of Marquette really are willing to ride this horse a bit longer because the alternative is yet another three-to-five year rebuild. Nobody wants that, if it can be avoided. But most of us also believe Marquette can and will be an elite, if not blueblood, program.
That's what I suspect most of us really think!
There are very few blueblood elite programs. Villanova is what they are at the moment because of Jay Wright. UNC, Kansas and a few others are there regardless of coach. When Wright leaves, Nova will take a step back. Maybe it is about definitions, but MU’s one perch at the top was because of a single coach.
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Lenny I made a mistake and fixed it, even said publicly I was fixing it. Let me know her you fix your comment about Sam being pressured in the Georgetown game....thanks....we all need Nobel leadership and you can be that shiny point of light.
Cheeks - I've been ignoring your incessant trolling on this for quite some time, hoping you'd tire of your self righteous foolishness. Sadly, when it comes to self righteous foolishness you have the tenacity and stamina of an ultra marathoner.
Because Markus was out, Sam became our principal ball handler vs Georgetown. I never said they pressed him, double or triple teamed him or anything of that sort. However, they did pressure him - as any team pressures the ball/ball handler. It's called defense. And if they didn't get up on him (i.e., pressure him) he would have just shot the wide open 3 you evidently think they gave him every time down the court. That's not what happened - because they pressured him and made him work for his shot. And he was terrific.
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You didn't ask me, but here goes anyway.
I'm one of those people who care deeply about the basketball program. Excellence in basketball is an extension of excellence in everything at Marquette. Plus, having a great basketball program helps provide money and attention that fuels other priorities held by the University.
In that vein, my guess is a majority of fans are frustrated with Wojo. Had the Brothers Hauser not transferred and had the Baby Hauser and the team not melted down in March, I think Wojo would have been thought of as having an ability to walk on water.
If "ifs and buts were Christmas nuts..."
The fact is the transfers and the meltdown happened. The fact is a program that spends like a blueblood (or at least a near blueblood) hasn't won even a single NCAA Championship game in many, many years. The fact is we lost to a team in the NCAAs that we had no business losing to, largely because our coach couldn't devise an effective defense to stop a team we should have clobbered. The fact is we don't seem to make effective in-game adjustments in way too many cases.
The vast majority of us see a good guy in Wojo, who runs a clean program and is doing his best to keep us out of the crime and punishment section of local and regional newspapers. But we also see the five-year record of a coach and believe we should have been in the NCAAs at least three of the last five years and should have at least a couple of NCAA wins. This makes us frustrated.
Most of us are reasonable people and understand why Coach Wojo was extended. We're willing to give him some benefit of the doubt, up to a point. I'd also suggest strong fans of Marquette really are willing to ride this horse a bit longer because the alternative is yet another three-to-five year rebuild. Nobody wants that, if it can be avoided. But most of us also believe Marquette can and will be an elite, if not blueblood, program.
That's what I suspect most of us really think!
I also care deeply about the basketball program. That's why I am also frustrated in Wojo. I am not in the "fire Wojo" camp but refuse to simply sweep the late season fiasco under the rug. Some posters shrugged off the 1-6 run as something that "happens" as on person (I have forgotten who that was) did. He also had the same comment about the transfers- "happens".
A number of prominent posters simply put the meltdown in a blender and seemed to imply that since the 24-10 record was near their preseason expectations, they were OK with the final record. Yes, tranfers "happen" but a player of Sam's caliber leaving before his senior year from a team with a forecast that Marquette briefly had?
Question for those who defend Wojo no matter what- If you followed (but were not a big fan of-neutral) a major college team in your area that had the identical season pattern (late season collapse after being #10) that Marquette had and lost 2 starters to tranfer, including one of Sam's caliber, would you shrug off that team's problems as something that "happens"?
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Please name two posters that shrugged off the season ending finish.
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Please name two posters that shrugged off the season ending finish.
Please reread my post. I clearly referred to "one person" (OK, technically "on person") and clearly stated "I have forgotten who that was". Anyway, I just spent a fair amount of time to find the post but was unsuccessful.
I think you qualify as a person "who defend(s) Wojo no matter what" so perhaps you would answer my question. I respect your opinions although I do not always agree with them, so I am not trying to be difficult. Is my question not fair?
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You didn't ask me, but here goes anyway.
I'm one of those people who care deeply about the basketball program. Excellence in basketball is an extension of excellence in everything at Marquette. Plus, having a great basketball program helps provide money and attention that fuels other priorities held by the University.
In that vein, my guess is a majority of fans are frustrated with Wojo. Had the Brothers Hauser not transferred and had the Baby Hauser and the team not melted down in March, I think Wojo would have been thought of as having an ability to walk on water.
If "ifs and buts were Christmas nuts..."
The fact is the transfers and the meltdown happened. The fact is a program that spends like a blueblood (or at least a near blueblood) hasn't won even a single NCAA Championship game in many, many years. The fact is we lost to a team in the NCAAs that we had no business losing to, largely because our coach couldn't devise an effective defense to stop a team we should have clobbered. The fact is we don't seem to make effective in-game adjustments in way too many cases.
The vast majority of us see a good guy in Wojo, who runs a clean program and is doing his best to keep us out of the crime and punishment section of local and regional newspapers. But we also see the five-year record of a coach and believe we should have been in the NCAAs at least three of the last five years and should have at least a couple of NCAA wins. This makes us frustrated.
Most of us are reasonable people and understand why Coach Wojo was extended. We're willing to give him some benefit of the doubt, up to a point. I'd also suggest strong fans of Marquette really are willing to ride this horse a bit longer because the alternative is yet another three-to-five year rebuild. Nobody wants that, if it can be avoided. But most of us also believe Marquette can and will be an elite, if not blueblood, program.
That's what I suspect most of us really think!
Pretty much where I am.
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Pretty much where I am.
+1000, I get tired of the Chicos that continually beat us up because we want/know the program can become elite again. I don't care if Wojo does it, or the next Coach does it...I want to reach the pinnacle again.
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+1000, I get tired of the Chicos that continually beat us up because we want/know the program can become elite again. I don't care if Wojo does it, or the next Coach does it...I want to reach the pinnacle again.
Sure. Everyone wants that.
But there are those of realistic about the odds of landing a coach that can take us to the elite level. There are only so many out there. And it is highly unlikely that we would get an established coach such as UNC acquiring Williams or Kansas acquiring self. It will have to be a wright/Nova, K/Duke or stevens/Butler situation
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he didn't have to dismiss Todd Mayo from the team
Really? So Head Coach Guru, are you going to keep the player on the team that is literally stealing from the other players?
Tell us again about how you KNOW things that others don't.
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dgies9156
Sadly, I believe your feelings are not completely shared by the university. I think the road to becoming a big time program has gotten a lot longer. There are folks on here that can stomach another five years of maintaining, and/or rebuilding, and seeing what the program looks like. Time will tell if MU made the right decision. I believe, they are 100% confident that whatever they do, will be accepted by 95+% of the fan base. They have no need to make radical decisions, which is a good thing because I do not believe they one person capable of making an intelligent basketball related decision.
Lastly, I agree with your entire post.
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Really? So Head Coach Guru, are you going to keep the player on the team that is literally stealing from the other players?
Tell us again about how you KNOW things that others don't.
This is so laughable...I DO get info from time to time from rock solid sources...I have been trying to get people to connect dots as to what happened with the Hauser's(because I do have ROCK SOLID) info about it, but everyone just dismisses it. Now you spit this out (Mayo stealing), like it's FACTUAL and yet, if I try to give out info(or others do) here, NO ONE believes it can possibly be true. Whatever, I don't give a sh*t. No wonder so many people leave this board.
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Maybe already mentioned, but I think this move is less about Basketball results and more about culture/program building. Wojo and Markus Howard appear to be building a culture at Marquette. I'm struggling to explain, but i'm not on the court everyday to have that insight. It appears to me that Wojo coaches with alot of empathy (e.g. Matt Heldt speech) and team leaders like Markus Howard really buy into that. Millennials really buy into that approach, perhaps why Greg Elliott was so (apparently) happy with the team this year. If the players felt the sky was falling or they didn't like their environment more would have left.
I think Sam and Joey didn't want to be part of this experiment and took their talents elsewhere.
Let's see how it shakes out, culture is everything and if Wojo is on to something it may be the start of a special run.
anyway my 2 cents...my first reaction was WTF Marquette...?!?!?!?!
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This is so laughable...I DO get info from time to time from rock solid sources...I have been trying to get people to connect dots as to what happened with the Hauser's(because I do have ROCK SOLID) info about it, but everyone just dismisses it. Now you spit this out (Mayo stealing), like it's FACTUAL and yet, if I try to give out info(or others do) here, NO ONE believes it can possibly be true. Whatever, I don't give a sh*t. No wonder so many people leave this board.
Are you giving people info or making them figure it out (connect the dots) on their own?
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Are you giving people info or making them figure it out (connect the dots) on their own?
Well when I have posted stuff, people cry about "who's your source" etc. Like that's going to happen?? It's like nobody here believes, that other posters here actually have legit info, and I'm not sure why.
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Well when I have posted stuff, people cry about "who's your source" etc. Like that's going to happen?? It's like nobody here believes, that other posters here actually have legit info, and I'm not sure why.
Because when 10 different people all have a legit source that are saying different things then how do we distinguish who's legit. Plus each source has its motives, let's say your source is golfing with daddy Hauser. That's cool but do you think his perspective is neutral or you're getting a spun story? Same with those who might be neighbors with Stan, probably getting a version spun for the Hausers to look soft.
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dgies9156
Sadly, I believe your feelings are not completely shared by the university. I think the road to becoming a big time program has gotten a lot longer. There are folks on here that can stomach another five years of maintaining, and/or rebuilding, and seeing what the program looks like. Time will tell if MU made the right decision. I believe, they are 100% confident that whatever they do, will be accepted by 95+% of the fan base. They have no need to make radical decisions, which is a good thing because I do not believe they one person capable of making an intelligent basketball related decision.
Lastly, I agree with your entire post.
Impossible to prove a negative. Time cannot prove it in my opinion.
If they make a change, who do they get? How can anyone know how the other person does? They cannot...thus impossible to prove. There will be endless opinions, but it truly is impossible because of the variables. The same is true for the Hausers, if they stayed and it meant 2 or 3 players leaving and bad chemistry....are we better...worse? No one knows these answers and cannot know with 100% certainty.
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Well when I have posted stuff, people cry about "who's your source" etc. Like that's going to happen?? It's like nobody here believes, that other posters here actually have legit info, and I'm not sure why.
The fact you said you have a source on one hand, but at same time say questioned why Mayo was removed from the team is, quite frankly, at diametric odds involving logic and the laws of physics. How do you square those?
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This is so laughable...I DO get info from time to time from rock solid sources...I have been trying to get people to connect dots as to what happened with the Hauser's(because I do have ROCK SOLID) info about it, but everyone just dismisses it. Now you spit this out (Mayo stealing), like it's FACTUAL and yet, if I try to give out info(or others do) here, NO ONE believes it can possibly be true. Whatever, I don't give a sh*t. No wonder so many people leave this board.
Well when I have posted stuff, people cry about "who's your source" etc. Like that's going to happen?? It's like nobody here believes, that other posters here actually have legit info, and I'm not sure why.
Because Guru, you don't have rock solid info on the Hauser situation. No one does other than maybe Sam, Joey, and the coaching staff....and each one of them would give you a very different answer even if they were being 100% truthful. So if the people directly involved can't agree on what happened, how could any of us know when at best we are getting info from 4th, 5th, and 6th hand sources?
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Really? So Head Coach Guru, are you going to keep the player on the team that is literally stealing from the other players?
Tell us again about how you KNOW things that others don't.
Mayo is an example of a player who should have never been in an MU uniform representing our university.
I cannot speak on him stealing from teammates but there were plenty of other issues that most coaches would have kicked him off the team for, but not Buzz.
Vander as well.
The MU administration wants to be a top program, but not at the expense of doing harm to the reputation of the University (which happened under the previous staff). There is no more "win at all costs" attitude in Zilber Hall. It's win, but do it without putting the university's reputation at risk. Crean did that, Wojo is doing that, Deand did that, KO did that.
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Please reread my post. I clearly referred to "one person" (OK, technically "on person") and clearly stated "I have forgotten who that was". Anyway, I just spent a fair amount of time to find the post but was unsuccessful.
I think you qualify as a person "who defend(s) Wojo no matter what" so perhaps you would answer my question. I respect your opinions although I do not always agree with them, so I am not trying to be difficult. Is my question not fair?
Understood and I am also not trying to be difficult.
I do not defend him no matter what and can provide examples where I don’t. Including the day he was hired and to this day I am still concerned about what I said 5 years ago. I just think when you say posters (plural) that just shrugged off the collapse, which is what it was, that isn’t being fair or accurate. I don’t know a single person here that was happy or shrugged off the end of the season. Now, there are people that took it in different degrees. Iowa has a very similar collapse and lost games by 20 points and lost at home to Rutgers, etc. We were losing close games, at the end, etc. Got jobbed in the Big East tournament....but it was still a collapse.
I brought up in Jan and Feb guys playing too many minutes, maybe resting Markus more or even posing the question of sitting him due to an injury....of course that was wildly dismissed as absurd at the time.
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dgies9156
Sadly, I believe your feelings are not completely shared by the university. I think the road to becoming a big time program has gotten a lot longer. There are folks on here that can stomach another five years of maintaining, and/or rebuilding, and seeing what the program looks like.
Then I fear for what our university is becoming.
When we were a Blueblood, the basketball program did two things. First, it created visibility for what formerly was a local to regional Roman Catholic university in Milwaukee. It diversified the student body, attracted a new set of students and gave Marquette visibility in circles where I firmly believe it never would have been noticed otherwise.
Quite simply, "We aren't DePaul!"
Second, it brought in money -- lots of it. How much, I do not know. But having little Marquette at or near the top of the basketball world brought pride to our alumni and made it easier for the AMF to ask for more money -- and get it. We were a powerful small institution with a chip on our shoulder and it showed in everything we did.
Our student athletes haven't always been angels, I get it. But I would note, ahem, that in our Blue Blood era, all our players were graduated except two. The vast, vast majority have gone on to lead lives reflecting Men and Women For Others. People like Ulice Payne, Lloyd Walton, PhD and Jerry Homan DDS clearly are near the top of the list. It sometimes is harder now, since we have more competition, but the key is in choosing and vetting a coach as best we can. Gonzaga, Duke and Villanova all proved it can be done.
Excellence is not a sometimes thing. It has to be pervasive in everything you do. Talking about "hey, we're getting better," is a poor substitute for being an elite program.
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Mayo is an example of a player who should have never been in an MU uniform representing our university.
100000000% agree. Mind boggling
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Understood and I am also not trying to be difficult.
I do not defend him no matter what and can provide examples where I don’t. Including the day he was hired and to this day I am still concerned about what I said 5 years ago. I just think when you say posters (plural) that just shrugged off the collapse, which is what it was, that isn’t being fair or accurate. I don’t know a single person here that was happy or shrugged off the end of the season. Now, there are people that took it in different degrees. Iowa has a very similar collapse and lost games by 20 points and lost at home to Rutgers, etc. We were losing close games, at the end, etc. Got jobbed in the Big East tournament....but it was still a collapse.
I brought up in Jan and Feb guys playing too many minutes, maybe resting Markus more or even posing the question of sitting him due to an injury....of course that was wildly dismissed as absurd at the time.
I think this is fair. I don't think any MU fans totally shrugged off our late season collapse.
The other fair side of this same coin is that zero Marquette fans are rooting for the Warriors to lose because they don't think Wojo is the answer as a coach.
Let's agree that the nonsense from both sides should stop.
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I’ll ask again...name the true blueblood or elite programs. There are very few and the differences are vast. Does being a dominant program for 12 years make one a blueblood or elite? Nope. Decisions made decades ago put us on that tract away from that.
There is one cold weather school that is a blueblood. Michigan State. What happens when Izzo retires?
There is only one private school that is a blueblood...Duke.
Every other blue blood is from a P5 conference, public, warmer weather, large school, large alumni base, CONSISTENTLY performed decade after decade the last 30 to 40 years.
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Mayo is an example of a player who should have never been in an MU uniform representing our university.
I cannot speak on him stealing from teammates but there were plenty of other issues that most coaches would have kicked him off the team for, but not Buzz.
Vander as well.
The MU administration wants to be a top program, but not at the expense of doing harm to the reputation of the University (which happened under the previous staff). There is no more "win at all costs" attitude in Zilber Hall. It's win, but do it without putting the university's reputation at risk. Crean did that, Wojo is doing that, Deand did that, KO did that.
Actually the guy who was stealing from teammates was Pat Hazel (Crean recruit).
I agree that Mayo didn't belong at Marquette, disagree on Vander.
Lot's of TC's guys who never should have been here, too. Hazel, "Manchild" Mathews, Mortenson, Amoroso and Mason come to mind off the top of my head. I'm sure there were others. Enough with the idea that Crean's recruits were all boy scouts, altar boys and honor students.
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And that’s fine, but that’s not how it wa portrayed especially by Research Report....the irony in the name “research”.
What I actually said is most people aren’t buying that we’ve made “tremendous progress”. That’s a ridiculous overstatement on MU’s part considering we haven’t won an NCAA game in the Wojo era and just lost 2 of our 3 best players to transfer (and possibly to our arch rival, to boot). Even Wojo’s most ardent supporters on here would likely balk at the words “tremendous progress”.
My point was essentially the same as Oregon Warrior’s. Are fans commenting on Twitter just a half of a half of a half of those who actually watch Marquette basketball? Yeah. But the anti-Wojo crowd isn’t limited to some small corner of the Internet. Many people I’ve spoken with who care about MU ball are either frustrated or, worse, apathetic about the current state of the program.
I don’t intend to stop watching Marquette games or attending as many as I can. If I ever get to that point, it won’t be out of anger, but apathy. A few more mediocre seasons and I might stop being as excited for games as I once was, might choose to just stay home and watch on tv even though I could attend, etc. I hope it never gets to that point, but I’m not sure how I’ll feel if we have to endure another five years of this.
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What I actually said is most people aren’t buying that we’ve made “tremendous progress”. That’s a ridiculous overstatement on MU’s part considering we haven’t won an NCAA game in the Wojo era and just lost 2 of our 3 best players to transfer (and possibly to our arch rival, to boot). Even Wojo’s most ardent supporters on here would likely balk at the words “tremendous progress”.
My point was essentially the same as Oregon Warrior’s. Are fans commenting on Twitter just a half of a half of a half of those who actually watch Marquette basketball? Yeah. But the anti-Wojo crowd isn’t limited to some small corner of the Internet. Many people I’ve spoken with who care about MU ball are either frustrated or, worse, apathetic about the current state of the program.
I don’t intend to stop watching Marquette games or attending as many as I can. If I ever get to that point, it won’t be out of anger, but apathy. A few more mediocre seasons and I might stop being as excited for games as I once was, might choose to just stay home and watch on tv even though I could attend, etc. I hope it never gets to that point, but I’m not sure how I’ll feel if we have to endure another five years of this.
I don't pretend to know what the comments or the "likes" on Twitter, Instagram, etc., mean.
I only can comment on what my friends and fellow alums are saying. Non scientific, anecdotal, etc., but the ones most enamored with Wojo are those who follow the team/program only a little. Those who are fervent fans are at least concerned that Wojo isn't the guy. Many are convinced of it. I'm in the concerned group - this year is very important.
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I believe I have quite a good sample size of MU fans in my personal life and there is not much excitement/optimism regarding the program. Apathetic is probably the most common feeling with folks I know.
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Well when I have posted stuff, people cry about "who's your source" etc. Like that's going to happen?? It's like nobody here believes, that other posters here actually have legit info, and I'm not sure why.
Are you new to Scoop?
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What I actually said is most people aren’t buying that we’ve made “tremendous progress”. That’s a ridiculous overstatement on MU’s part considering we haven’t won an NCAA game in the Wojo era and just lost 2 of our 3 best players to transfer (and possibly to our arch rival, to boot). Even Wojo’s most ardent supporters on here would likely balk at the words “tremendous progress”.
We've definitely made progress during the Wojo reign, that's inarguable. Whether or not it has been tremendous I suppose is a matter of opinion. If you want to spend time arguing vocabulary, go for it.
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I don't pretend to know what the comments or the "likes" on Twitter, Instagram, etc., mean.
I only can comment on what my friends and fellow alums are saying. Non scientific, anecdotal, etc., but the ones most enamored with Wojo are those who follow the team/program only a little. Those who are fervent fans are at least concerned that Wojo isn't the guy. Many are convinced of it. I'm in the concerned group - this year is very important.
Yep. I haven’t talked to a single fan that thinks Wojo earned this is any way. Many understand (hope) it was done for recruiting optics.
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Yep. I haven’t talked to a single fan that thinks Wojo earned this is any way. Many understand (hope) it was done for recruiting optics.
Who cares if he earned it? It's about what is best for the program.
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Actually the guy who was stealing from teammates was Pat Hazel (Crean recruit).
I agree that Mayo didn't belong at Marquette, disagree on Vander.
Lot's of TC's guys who never should have been here, too. Hazel, "Manchild" Mathews, Mortenson, Amoroso and Mason come to mind off the top of my head. I'm sure there were others. Enough with the idea that Crean's recruits were all boy scouts, altar boys and honor students.
Vander only due to what he did while at MU.
Hazel was sent on his way
Remember, all of those guys you mentioned during Crean were told to hit the road - zero tolerance. Brandon Bell was a model citizen before MU, he did something bad, and even though it hurt Crean to do it considering the relationship he had with the family, he made Brandon leave.
What did Mason do, other than think he was the second coming of Wade?
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Who cares if he earned it? It's about what is best for the program.
Ok? I’m commenting on the fan base’s read on Wojo based on the fans I know
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Vander only due to what he did while at MU.
Hazel was sent on his way
Remember, all of those guys you mentioned during Crean were told to hit the road - zero tolerance. Brandon Bell was a model citizen before MU, he did something bad, and even though it hurt Crean to do it considering the relationship he had with the family, he made Brandon leave.
What did Mason do, other than think he was the second coming of Wade?
Yep, Dameon saw his minutes declining with the advent of DJ, Wesley and Rel.
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In my mind - and it is a completely subjective term - Marquette University will never be a blue blood, no matter how much future success the program experiences.
A blue blood, once again in my mind, refers to a program that is essentially "old money"; It does NOT necessarily mean "most successful". A school is a blue blood that experienced a high-level of success decades ago, built from it and maintained it, and will continue to have the potential to be a top-10 program consistently from that old success.
The only true blue bloods are Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA and Indiana. Many can (and will) argue about the lack of recent success that Indiana and UCLA have had, and they would absolutely be right. However, it still doesn't change the fact that the were once the elite, top, basketball program in the country for an extended duration - and a blue blood status program can still survive based on past experience. The next tier consists of programs like UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia and Arizona; programs that have won multiple national championships within a timeframe, or programs that have consistently been able to make Sweet 16s and further. With what we have invested in men's basketball, there is no reason why Marquette cannot get to these levels IMO.
Right now, I think we are within a hypothetical third tier: Ohio State, Florida, Illinois, Marquette, Maryland, Oklahoma and Cincinnati; programs that had maybe a decade of dominance, but haven't really been able to return to that level (but are still competitive top-25-level). This is clearly not a bad grouping to be associated with, but there is still room for growth.
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In my mind - and it is a completely subjective term - Marquette University will never be a blue blood, no matter how much future success the program experiences.
A blue blood, once again in my mind, refers to a program that is essentially "old money"; It does NOT necessarily mean "most successful". A school is a blue blood that experienced a high-level of success decades ago, built from it and maintained it, and will continue to have the potential to be a top-10 program consistently from that old success.
The only true blue bloods are Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA and Indiana. Many can (and will) argue about the lack of recent success that Indiana and UCLA have had, and they would absolutely be right. However, it still doesn't change the fact that the were once the elite, top, basketball program in the country for an extended duration - and a blue blood status program can still survive based on past experience. The next tier consists of programs like UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia and Arizona; programs that have won multiple national championships within a timeframe, or programs that have consistently been able to make Sweet 16s and further. With what we have invested in men's basketball, there is no reason why Marquette cannot get to these levels IMO.
Right now, I think we are within a hypothetical third tier: Ohio State, Florida, Illinois, Marquette, Maryland, Oklahoma and Cincinnati; programs that had maybe a decade of dominance, but haven't really been able to return to that level (but are still competitive top-25-level). This is clearly not a bad grouping to be associated with, but there is still room for growth.
Not a bad tie ring of teams, though most really would put UCLA and IN in the second tier as they really have not done anything recently to deserve that first tier.
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More good things coming....
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More good things coming....
like what?
anyways, based on the social media responses of current and former players, it seems as though the people who have the most important opinions on the matter couldnt approve more. markus, koby, sacar, katin, fischer all very vocal in their support of the extension.
also saw jjj and duane paid him a visit at the al.
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Vander only due to what he did while at MU.
Hazel was sent on his way
Remember, all of those guys you mentioned during Crean were told to hit the road - zero tolerance. Brandon Bell was a model citizen before MU, he did something bad, and even though it hurt Crean to do it considering the relationship he had with the family, he made Brandon leave.
What did Mason do, other than think he was the second coming of Wade?
Brandon Bell was also not much of a basketball player, his weed incident gave Crean an excuse to boot him and save a scholarship.
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I believe I have quite a good sample size of MU fans in my personal life and there is not much excitement/optimism regarding the program. Apathetic is probably the most common feeling with folks I know.
Apathetic is a good description of many MU fans I know including myself.
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Ok? I’m commenting on the fan base’s read on Wojo based on the fans I know
Sorry my comment was snarky. The point I was trying to make was that the contract extension has nothing to do with anyone's opinion of Wojo. It is about giving our coaching staff all the tools possible to continue to build the program. I think anyone trying to say that this extension means that MU accepts mediocrity or that this is proof that Wojo and co has done a great job is pushing an agenda.
Coaches don't get hired, fired, or extended because of what they have done. It gets done because it is the best thing for the program moving forward.
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More good things coming....
I like your style. If I remember, after your last post something happened. Hope I got it Right.
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Sorry my comment was snarky. The point I was trying to make was that the contract extension has nothing to do with anyone's opinion of Wojo. It is about giving our coaching staff all the tools possible to continue to build the program. I think anyone trying to say that this extension means that MU accepts mediocrity or that this is proof that Wojo and co has done a great job is pushing an agenda.
Coaches don't get hired, fired, or extended because of what they have done. It gets done because it is the best thing for the program moving forward.
Agreed it was good for the program for the optics alone. Really hard to recruit with signs of instability
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Vander only due to what he did while at MU.
Hazel was sent on his way
Remember, all of those guys you mentioned during Crean were told to hit the road - zero tolerance. Brandon Bell was a model citizen before MU, he did something bad, and even though it hurt Crean to do it considering the relationship he had with the family, he made Brandon leave.
What did Mason do, other than think he was the second coming of Wade?
IIRC Hazel was sent on his way by Buzz, not Crean.
Regarding "zero tolerance" under Crean - there was zero tolerance for the guys who weren't all that good. Guys like Jerel were treated a little bit differently. My understanding is that TC had "friends in the department" and that on several occasions incidents were covered up.
Maybe I'm wrong about Mason - thought he had some trouble at Aurora West before he arrived.
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More good things coming....
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IIRC Hazel was sent on his way by Buzz, not Crean.
Regarding "zero tolerance" under Crean - there was zero tolerance for the guys who weren't all that good. Guys like Jerel were treated a little bit differently. My understanding is that TC had "friends in the department" and that on several occasions incidents were covered up.
Maybe I'm wrong about Mason - thought he had some trouble at Aurora West before he arrived.
Absolutely true. Watching my friend get pummeled by 2/3 of the amigos was a fun night....
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More good things coming....
When??
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I personally keep in touch with two Alums that are ex players. Both loved the extension. For what it’s worth.
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Absolutely true. Watching my friend get pummeled by 2/3 of the amigos was a fun night....
Jesmu,
You're 100% correct, but for some Scoopers reality doesn't matter - only perception. As long as you keep it out of the newspaper it never happened. #Hypocrisy
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I personally keep in touch with two Alums that are ex players. Both loved the extension. For what it’s worth.
There are a LOT of current roster positively retweeting and commenting on the extension
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There are a LOT of current roster positively retweeting and commenting on the extension
This is all good to hear. I obviously trust their opinions more than my own.
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Yep. I haven’t talked to a single fan that thinks Wojo earned this is any way. Many understand (hope) it was done for recruiting optics.
I haven’t talked to a single person that voted for one person in 2016 that knows someone that voted for the other person....yet somehow millions of votes went to both sides. Imagine that....people run in bubbles and communicate in likeminded ways.
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There are a LOT of current roster positively retweeting and commenting on the extension
Which pretty much proves it was a personal and playing time issue for those who should not be named instead of a catastrophic failure of the entire program.
Go figure, the world still turns.
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There are a LOT of current roster positively retweeting and commenting on the extension
Well, what exactly did you expect them to do..?? That is their Coach, it's not like they would say anything bad about it.
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Well, what exactly did you expect them to do..?? That is their Coach, it's not like they would say anything bad about it.
You? Looking at the negative aspect of it? NO WAY!
They could have just not liked it. Which people are able to do.
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Well, what exactly did you expect them to do..?? That is their Coach, it's not like they would say anything bad about it.
What fjm said..
They could have just not commented. Or retweeted. Or come up with original tweets with photo collages expressing their excitement over the extension.
But you do you.
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When??
Presumably 4 days, because that's how long passed between his last vague pronouncement and Johnson's commit, which was the first noted good thing, I suppose.
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Jesmu,
You're 100% correct, but for some Scoopers reality doesn't matter - only perception. As long as you keep it out of the newspaper it never happened. #Hypocrisy
The problem with one coach is that drip drip drip drip wouldn’t stop and thus ended up where it did. No one is saying Boy Scouts are needed, and yes kids do dumb things at that age....sometimes serious dumb things that don’t make the front pages. Bob Knight and staff controlled Bloomington PD for the most part and handled it inside. Packers had some bad stuff happen in early 90’s that was swept under the rug. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Frequency was one of the problems with Buzz, along with the lying that went with it.
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The problem with one coach is that drip drip drip drip wouldn’t stop and thus ended up where it did. No one is saying Boy Scouts are needed, and yes kids do dumb things at that age....sometimes serious dumb things that don’t make the front pages. Bob Knight and staff controlled Bloomington PD for the most part and handled it inside. Packers had some bad stuff happen in early 90’s that was swept under the rug. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Frequency was one of the problems with Buzz, along with the lying that went with it.
You certainly never waste a moment to bash Buzz do you?? CONSTANTLY saying something about the negatives with him...yet almost never mentioning all the on court success he had. Hypocritical much??
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dgies-
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"Then I fear for what our university is becoming."
i have been thinking this for a few years now. it's just permeating our basketball program now or is just becoming more and more blatantly apparent.
but hey, if ya don't make the NCAA, ya got your NIT. if ya whiff there, ya gots yer CBI and if ya still want a trophy, let's keep the team together for the CIT
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You? Looking at the negative aspect of it? NO WAY!
They could have just not liked it. Which people are able to do.
I think the most logical position is that the players sincerely "liked" it. But, 'cmon - if you had to play for a guy would you really "not like" his contract extension? Why put yourself in the doghouse? Players aren't stupid.
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There are a LOT of current roster positively retweeting and commenting on the extension
this is great to hear as the opposite would be doubly disappointing. i hope like hell this team and every future team success
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dgies-
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"Then I fear for what our university is becoming."
i have been thinking this for a few years now. it's just permeating our basketball program now or is just becoming more and more blatantly apparent.
but hey, if ya don't make the NCAA, ya got your NIT. if ya whiff there, ya gots yer CBI and if ya still want a trophy, let's keep the team together for the CIT
Remember, for Chicos...the NIT matters, it's a sign of upward projection for the MU program under Wojo..he says the NIT is better than no postseason...I guess he'd feel the same about the CBI, and the CIT as well. Because, well, ya know, that's about the level he thinks the MU program should be at, or at least not beneath playing in one of those tournaments.
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I think the most logical position is that the players sincerely "liked" it. But, 'cmon - if you had to play for a guy would you really "not like" his contract extension? Why put yourself in the doghouse? Players aren't stupid.
Or maybe they like the guy. Jeez why are people so negative about the most inconsequential things.
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You certainly never waste a moment to bash Buzz do you?? CONSTANTLY saying something about the negatives with him...yet almost never mentioning all the on court success he had. Hypocritical much??
I was clarifying the difference with Lenny’s analogy. But to address your faulty post, 99% of my posts have nothing to do with Buzz....so you would be wrong in my opinion.
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I think the most logical position is that the players sincerely "liked" it. But, 'cmon - if you had to play for a guy would you really "not like" his contract extension? Why put yourself in the doghouse? Players aren't stupid.
What about former players that don’t have to worry about that who also liked it, commented publicly in support of the decision?
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Remember, for Chicos...the NIT matters, it's a sign of upward projection for the MU program under Wojo..he says the NIT is better than no postseason...I guess he'd feel the same about the CBI, and the CIT as well. Because, well, ya know, that's about the level he thinks the MU program should be at, or at least not beneath playing in one of those tournaments.
You are outdoing yourself today. I guess the Mayo nonsense stung.
NIT > no tournament
NCAA > NIT
Really not hard. CBI and CIT you have to pay to play if I recall. They are not based on winning your conference or just missing the NCAA, they have no history, etc. False equivalency. If I recall, even the finals are like best of three.
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Or maybe they like the guy. Jeez why are people so negative about the most inconsequential things.
Occam’s Razor
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What about former players that don’t have to worry about that who also liked it, commented publicly in support of the decision?
You really think they would say something negative about it in public??
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What about former players that don’t have to worry about that who also liked it, commented publicly in support of the decision?
Former players is an entirely different situation. That's obvious. Has anyone said differently?
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Just asking the question Lenny....just asking the question....and pointing out that there are others that did play for him who support the decision just as there are many fans that do....and yes, those that do not.
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You really think they would say something negative about it in public??
What is stopping them from saying nothing at all? Especially transfer players that only played one year here.
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What is stopping them from saying nothing at all? Especially transfer players that only played one year here.
I love how you twist things to fit your narrative...you seem to think it's a big deal that former players support Wojo's extension(or at least have said they do), because that's what you want to hear...so to you, that somehow proves the majority are for it, yet...when someone cited the negative comments on twitter, you took them to task, saying that isn't the "majority". You're a real piece of....
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I think this is fair. I don't think any MU fans totally shrugged off our late season collapse.
The other fair side of this same coin is that zero Marquette fans are rooting for the Warriors to lose because they don't think Wojo is the answer as a coach.
Let's agree that the nonsense from both sides should stop.
There are many who have stated they want MU to be good next year so Wojo is poached by another program. That tells me it isn’t about performance or the product or how he coaches, it is because he is the gritty PG from Duke who is too straight laced. If Wojo takes us on a deep tournament run, why would you want another program to poach him? To that audience it doesn’t matter how he performs they will always point to the negative and find a reason for underperformance.
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I love how you twist things to fit your narrative...you seem to think it's a big deal that former players support Wojo's extension(or at least have said they do), because that's what you want to hear...so to you, that somehow proves the majority are for it, yet...when someone cited the negative comments on twitter, you took them to task, saying that isn't the "majority". You're a real piece of....
Dude. You need to chill bud. If someone doesn’t agree with you, you’re angry. If someone says something you don’t agree with you immediately find the negative and attack it.
Eat a snickers.
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I love how you twist things to fit your narrative...you seem to think it's a big deal that former players support Wojo's extension(or at least have said they do), because that's what you want to hear...so to you, that somehow proves the majority are for it, yet...when someone cited the negative comments on twitter, you took them to task, saying that isn't the "majority". You're a real piece of....
Not sure why you are making it personal. I can only work with the responses we have. I took them to task because of the absurdity of their claim and I was not alone. The person ignored the overwhelming number of likes for the announcement and further cannot discern how many people didn’t bother to say anything at all. It wasn’t a poll. God bless you Guru
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Not sure why you are making it personal. I can only work with the responses we have. I took them to task because of the absurdity of their claim and I was not alone. The person ignored the overwhelming number of likes for the announcement and further cannot discern how many people didn’t bother to say anything at all. It wasn’t a poll. God bless you Guru
You ignored the overwhelming number of negative comments that the poster cited were given as well..didn't you?? See, that's the thing with you Chicos...you want everything to be about you, your holier than thou attitude is what people dislike about you. You ALWAYS think you're right, and better then everyone else. You aren't afraid to admit it in a roundabout way either. You the man...you do you.
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Funny how triggered some people are over a contract extension that means virtually nothing.
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This has been quite a thread.
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It’s unbelievable. Chico’s must have posted 200 posts the last few days.
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There are many who have stated they want MU to be good next year so Wojo is poached by another program. That tells me it isn’t about performance or the product or how he coaches, it is because he is the gritty PG from Duke who is too straight laced. If Wojo takes us on a deep tournament run, why would you want another program to poach him? To that audience it doesn’t matter how he performs they will always point to the negative and find a reason for underperformance.
You may find it odd that some fans want Wojo to succeed so that other programs would try to poach him (I find it a bit odd myself) but that's not the same thing as fans rooting against MU so that Wojo is fired. That's the house where nobody lives.
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You ignored the overwhelming number of negative comments that the poster cited were given as well..didn't you?? See, that's the thing with you Chicos...you want everything to be about you, your holier than thou attitude is what people dislike about you. You ALWAYS think you're right, and better then everyone else. You aren't afraid to admit it in a roundabout way either. You the man...you do you.
I am wrong a bunch, hope that helps to clarify things for you.
No, I didn’t ignore the negative comments, I and others pointed out that there were far more likes then any negative comments....them is the facts. That just make me right in this situation,and the others that stated the same.
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You may find it odd that some fans want Wojo to succeed so that other programs would try to poach him (I find it a bit odd myself) but that's not the same thing as fans rooting against MU so that Wojo is fired. That's the house where nobody lives.
Nobody’s? Just as there weren’t Packer fans that actively cheered for Green Bay to lose so McCarthy got fired. You sure you want to go with NOBODY....social media is a treasure trove of people saying all kinds of fun things that disprove the nobody statement.
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It’s unbelievable. Chico’s must have posted 200 posts the last few days.
59...then you have to add Billy’s, WarriorDad’s, And whomever else I M currently accused of being....so 200 might be correct.
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Nobody’s? Just as there weren’t Packer fans that actively cheerplayed d for Green Bay to lose so McCarthy got fired. You sure you want to go with NOBODY....social media is a treasure trove of people saying all kinds of fun things that disprove nobody statement.
As you pointed out on a different subject, it's impossible to prove a negative. But IF, and it's a big if, there is someone or a handful of someones out there cheering for our opponents so Wojo gets fired it is SO rare that bringing it up in any legitimate discussion on Scoop is a red herring.
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You really think they would say something negative about it in public??
Again, people.can just not say anything
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I haven’t talked to a single person that voted for one person in 2016 that knows someone that voted for the other person....yet somehow millions of votes went to both sides. Imagine that....people run in bubbles and communicate in likeminded ways.
Well now you know at least 1. Well I don't know if posting on the same message board is knowing someone, but I know plenty of people who voted opposite of me.
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Or maybe they like the guy. Jeez why are people so negative about the most inconsequential things.
Please read my first sentence - exactly what I said.
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This guy is the worst coach in the history of the program
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As you pointed out on a different subject, it's impossible to prove a negative. But IF, and it's a big if, there is someone or a handful of someones out there cheering for our opponents so Wojo gets fired it is SO rare that bringing it up in any legitimate discussion on Scoop is a red herring.
I would wager (though not provable) that there are plenty on this board who want Wojo to fail to prove they were right. The only thing preventing them from actually saying it or cheering for it is they are MU basketball fans.
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I would wager (though not provable) that there are plenty on this board who want Wojo to fail to prove they were right. The only thing preventing them from actually saying it or cheering for it is they are MU basketball fans.
They will all reveal themselves eventually.
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This guy is the worst coach in the history of the program
Nope
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They will all reveal themselves eventually.
It wouldn't stun me if there were a few who hate Wojo so much that they end up taking satisfaction in losses they can blame Wojo for.
But if you are going to make direct charges that you know some Scoopers who are rooting against Marquette, either name them or shut the eff up. You are Mr. Look Up Past Posts. Show some effen evidence. Stating something dozens of times isn't evidence.
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It wouldn't stun me if there were a few who hate Wojo so much that they end up taking satisfaction in losses they can blame Wojo for.
But if you are going to make direct charges that you know some Scoopers who are rooting against Marquette, either name them or shut the eff up. You are Mr. Look Up Past Posts. Show some effen evidence.
Stating something dozens of times isn't evidence.ting something dozens of times isn't evidence.
Evidence hell! It's proof. There is one guy on Twitter every single day who proves he's speaking the truth by repeating his claims over and over and over again.
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Well now you know at least 1. Well I don't know if posting on the same message board is knowing someone, but I know plenty of people who voted opposite of me.
Make that 2. Include my circle of friends and you can add about 100.
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I haven’t talked to a single person that voted for one person in 2016 that knows someone that voted for the other person....yet somehow millions of votes went to both sides. Imagine that....people run in bubbles and communicate in likeminded ways.
Politics
You're being wildly hyperbolic or you keep a VERY tight circle of people you know.
FWIW, I tend to agree with most of what you say on here. *ducks*
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It wouldn't stun me if there were a few who hate Wojo so much that they end up taking satisfaction in losses they can blame Wojo for.
But if you are going to make direct charges that you know some Scoopers who are rooting against Marquette, either name them or shut the eff up. You are Mr. Look Up Past Posts. Show some effen evidence. Stating something dozens of times isn't evidence.
Show me where I said scoopers did this. Never did....purposefully. I said some MU fans, which last I checked most are not on Scoop. Now, do I believe for a second some also are on Scoop hoping we lose so they get their validation of the coach they hate based ...you’re damn right I do.
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Show me where I said scoopers did this. Never did....purposefully. I said some MU fans, which last I checked most are not on Scoop. Now, do I believe for a second some also are on Scoop hoping we lose so they get their validation of the coach they hate based ...you’re damn right I do.
So some MU fans, but not Scoopers...but damn right some Scoopers too! Evidence of either? Zero.
Sounds like someone projecting...let's return for a minute to those glorious Buzz years. LOL
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I would wager (though not provable) that there are plenty on this board who want Wojo to fail to prove they were right. The only thing preventing them from actually saying it or cheering for it is they are MU basketball fans.
Statements like this really only serve two purposes:
1. It moves the conversation away from Wojo's job performance to some "I'm a better fan" d*ck measuring contest.
2. Begins to build a narrative that if Wojo doesn't succeed, it's because the fanbase didn't support him.
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Statements like this really only serve two purposes:
1. It moves the conversation away from Wojo's job performance to some "I'm a better fan" d*ck measuring contest.
2. Begins to build a narrative that if Wojo doesn't succeed, it's because the fanbase didn't support him.
Well that and he's correct.
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Well that and he's correct.
I would wager (though not provable) that there are fans who think Wojo deserves a 10 year extension. What's it matter though?
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Show me where I said scoopers did this. Never did....purposefully. I said some MU fans, which last I checked most are not on Scoop. Now, do I believe for a second some also are on Scoop hoping we lose so they get their validation of the coach they hate based ...you’re damn right I do.
Evidence of any of it, please.
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So some MU fans, but not Scoopers...but damn right some Scoopers too! Evidence of either? Zero.
Sounds like someone projecting...let's return for a minute to those glorious Buzz years. LOL
LOL...Buzz is gone and you don’t know the half of it.
At any rate, i’ll Invite you to do a little searching on the social sites and you can prove yourself wrong about some MU fans wanting us to lose so he gets fired. It will be a good exercise in social media for those that don’t fit the demo....you can learn how to navigate. If you want some bread crumbs in hints to help you, I am here for you.
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Well that and he's correct.
Correct about what? That true Marquette fans are rooting for Marquette to fail so they can play the I told you so game? Where the hell do some of you come up with this nonsense? lmao
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Correct about what? That true Marquette fans are rooting for Marquette to fail so they can play the I told you so game? Where the hell do some of you come up with this nonsense? lmao
I am absolutely convinced that some people would prefer a terrible season to another season of *marginal* improvement because they think it would mean Wojo would be fired.
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I am absolutely convinced that some people would prefer a terrible season to another season of *marginal* improvement because they think it would mean Wojo would be fired.
So in a theoretical world, playing the game what would you choose equates to actively cheering against your team?
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Wojo and company will nice seats at the Bucks game last night.
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Yep, and had a chit eatin' grin on this kisser da 'hole nite two. Had obvious man luv goin' on four Irving and Tatum ass well. Any y'all no da couple of old farts chewin' his ear off were, hey?
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I was also told Sam needs another hip surgery but that source was wildly drunk
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I worked with a coach who was extended for 5 years and was fired two seasons later. The extension was done to stop rumors on the recruiting trail that the coach was going to be fired (a recruit specifically mentioned this in choosing another school). In exchange for the extension, the buyout was lowered significantly. So before the Wojo haters hit the panic button here, maybe this is MU's strategy - to show stability but provide more flexibility on their end.
I don't think the MU administration is that savvy. Thank you sir may I have another is probably more like how the extension went down.
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I don't think the MU administration is that savvy. Thank you sir may I have another is probably more like how the extension went down.
If so, good. Wojo is stability - and long term success - for Marquette.
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I don't think I could handle 5 more years of stabilized mediocrity. ;)
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5 years? 110 wins coming up.
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5 years? 110 wins coming up.
Here is a fun fact : If Wojo serves out the next 5 years he will be the third longest tenured coach in MU history, only succeeded Bill Chandler and Al.
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If so, good. Wojo is stability - and long term success - for Marquette.
Let us know when the long term success kicks in
Five more years, 8 more years, yadda, yadda