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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 82fanatic on May 04, 2019, 09:16:05 PM
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This was sent to me from a friend. Reported source was a “coach” at MU. I don’t post much, but this is the first “report” that makes sense to me
“The problems first started when Markus challenged Joey to be tougher and said more was needed from him for the team to reach their full potential. This was done as a friend and captain and with Sam's approval. Joey did not take the message well to the point his friendship with Markus was affected. As the year went on the friendship steadily got worse. Sam and Markus remained friends but not as close. The Hauser and Howard families relationship became strained as well. I was told that Joey now absolutely hates Markus and the Hauser family does not like the Howard family. Sam and Markus are still friends but again not as close. A letter was written to Wojo by the Hausers at the prompting of the parents and it was really because Joey was disgruntled. Teammates suggested they not give the letter to Wojo and no teammate signed the letter with the Hausers. Markus became aware of the letter and initially tried backing off his focus on scoring and tried to patch things up with Joey. Unfortunately, the offense became stagnant and the ball ended up in Markus' hands at the end of the shot clock and Markus and Joey's relationship did not improve.
Fast forward to the locker room after the Murray State game and Markus challenged a teammate for how they played in the game. Sam stepped in as a co-captain and Markus and Sam got into an argument. Joey then joined Sam and got into a shoving match with Markus. Wojo walked in at the end of this and did not do anything. Wojo simply let the players handle it. The Hauser family was upset that Wojo did not stick up for Sam and Joey. In addition none of the other players sided with Sam and Joey including the player Markus had confronted. I was told before the team returned to Milwaukee Joey was definitely going to transfer if Markus returned. The belief was that Sam would still return. Eventually Sam went along with the sentiments of the family and agreed to transfer if Markus came back. Once Markus announced he was returning the Hausers announced their decision.
One of the coaches the Hausers contacted asked why they were transferring. When informed of their reason he told them things would have been handled the same with his team. The coached asked them to think about whether they'd really want to join his team if that was the case and they should take a few days to decide. If there was a divisive member on last years team it was Joey because he would sulk which the players not getting as many minutes did not appreciate. Two players most likely would have transferred if Joey returned.”
He also thought Iowa is their destination.
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Oops sorry. Saw MU82 posted this in the “outsiders view of hausers transfer”
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58683.250
However same sentiment. This I believe!
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I’ve had this same message sent to me today. Looks like Joey was absolutely butt hurt.
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Makes sense, Joey always seemed very immature. Wasn't he the one that refused to play with Herro when he showed interest in Marquette?
It's too bad Sam got caught up in all of this. He seems like such a great kid and a true team player.
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Sam had no choice because family is first. You’re right. It’s a shame he got caught up in all of this if true. He was literally in a no win situation.
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It's certainly the most plausible explanation I've seen so far. If true Wojo still bears some responsibility but it's ridiculous to put it all on him.
If true, Joey's an entitled baby. Screw him.
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It’s interesting how the story has evolved as the early narrative around here was that Sam was the unhappy one.
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I think parts of this can be true, but definitely not the "most plausible". Only the best scenario for those hoping our program isn't a dumpster fire. Theres probably some truths here as well as in other areas. The big throwaway here is that the shoving incident happened during the Murray state game. All evidence points to that happening during the Seton Hall Big East game.
Another giveaway of this not being completely true is the complete defense of Markus. Comes out looking like the 2nd coming of Jesus. All I've heard so far is that this isn't true and Markus has a lot of strife with mutliple players on the team.
All in all, there is some truth in most of what we're hearing and a lot of iffy stuff.
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I think parts of this can be true, but definitely not the "most plausible". Only the best scenario for those hoping our program isn't a dumpster fire. Theres probably some truths here as well as in other areas. The big throwaway here is that the shoving incident happened during the Murray state game. All evidence points to that happening during the Seton Hall Big East game.
Another giveaway of this not being completely true is the complete defense of Markus. Comes out looking like the 2nd coming of Jesus. All I've heard so far is that this isn't true and Markus has a lot of strife with mutliple players on the team.
All in all, there is some truth in most of what we're hearing and a lot of iffy stuff.
Agreed. It’s a little suspect that this version of the story came out a couple days before the Hausers are set to announce their transfer to UW. Basically turns Joey into the scapegoat and takes all blame away from Markus and Wojo.
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The blue highlighted message above has been posted on other message boards. Those postings cite three different sources. None of them from the MU coaching staff. The information may or may not be accurate and reposting it here seems like a needless way to stir up negative feelings. The Hauser boys are gone. Taking the high road seems like the most mature course rather than casting aspersions on a 19-year-old.
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Agreed. It’s a little suspect that this version of the story came out a couple days before the Hausers are set to announce their transfer to UW. Basically turns Joey into the scapegoat and takes all blame away from Markus and Wojo.
Which pains you of course
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You guys can believe whatever you want...I mean I've seen people blame the Hauser's parents, others blame Sam, now everyone is blaming Joey. Others have blamed Markus, and some Wojo. ONE and only one of those above made the decision to transfer.
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You guys can believe whatever you want...I mean I've seen people blame the Hauser's parents, others blame Sam, now everyone is blaming Joey. Others have blamed Markus, and some Wojo. ONE and only one of those above made the decision to transfer.
I’m sure plenty of blame to go around, but some of you want to put 99% to 100% on one person you don’t care for.
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Agreed. It’s a little suspect that this version of the story came out a couple days before the Hausers are set to announce their transfer to UW. Basically turns Joey into the scapegoat and takes all blame away from Markus and Wojo.
A little too pat, way too black and white. Most likely some truth mixed with a large dose of spin. I pray the source isn't really a coach - if it is this is unethical in addition to being self serving spin.
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It’s interesting how the story has evolved as the early narrative around here was that Sam was the unhappy one.
I think its interesting that one post from somebody who claims to be 'in the know' seems to seal it for you.
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A little too pat, way too black and white. Most likely some truth mixed with a large dose of spin. I pray the source isn't really a coach - if it is this is unethical in addition to being self serving spin.
Attaboy. Large dose of spin, too black and white.....but hey just in case a coach did it (no mention of spin, or how pat that is)....well it would be unethical. Thanks.
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You guys can believe whatever you want...I mean I've seen people blame the Hauser's parents, others blame Sam, now everyone is blaming Joey. Others have blamed Markus, and some Wojo. ONE and only one of those above made the decision to transfer.
Pretty sure two of them are transferring
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Pretty sure two of them are transferring
Blocked. How dare you
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We had the original narrative, pushed by some, how Wojo had lost the trust of the Hauser's because of his letting Markus play hero ball. We have a different narrative now, one that fills in some holes and questions unanswered in the first narrative. In any divorce, there is more than one version and blame to go around. This is just another divorce.
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We had the original narrative, pushed by some, how Wojo had lost the trust of the Hauser's because of his letting Markus play hero ball. We have a different narrative now, one that fills in some holes and questions unanswered in the first narrative. In any divorce, there is more than one version and blame to go around. This is just another divorce.
Yes. And the only ones that suffer are us kids. But at least we get two sets of Christmas presents!
That is if the Hausers even believe in Christmas....Heathens! Heretics!
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The blue highlighted message above has been posted on other message boards. Those postings cite three different sources. None of them from the MU coaching staff. The information may or may not be accurate and reposting it here seems like a needless way to stir up negative feelings. The Hauser boys are gone. Taking the high road seems like the most mature course rather than casting aspersions on a 19-year-old.
This is the only post in here that seems to make any sense. How many threads to we need about a changing narrative? It's done.
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It’s another version of a complicated story. It’s also not at all coincidental that many find this to be the most believable version to date since it’s no doubt the version they prefer to be true
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Attaboy. Large dose of spin, too black and white.....but hey just in case a coach did it (no mention of spin, or how pat that is)....well it would be unethical. Thanks.
You're welcome.
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Thanks for sharing this.
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It’s another version of a complicated story. It’s also not at all coincidental that many find this to be the most believable version to date since it’s no doubt the version they prefer to be true
This. This is the one. That said, does match the optics watching Joey over the course of the year.
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It’s another version of a complicated story. It’s also not at all coincidental that many find this to be the most believable version to date since it’s no doubt the version they prefer to be true
Is it also not at all coincidental that those who are casting doubts on this version of events, labeling it as spin, having an epiphany about ethics, etc., are the same ones who've been spinning a completely different narrative for the past few weeks?
Here's the truth few here want to admit: nobody here knows what really happened ... and that won't stop most of you from being 100 percent sure about who deserves the blame.
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Just for full credit and citation, this originated over on Dodd's board.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Reply/hackleft-Reply-131752410/
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Is it also not at all coincidental that those who are casting doubts on this version of events, labeling it as spin, having an epiphany about ethics, etc., are the same ones who've been spinning a completely different narrative for the past few weeks?
Here's the truth few here want to admit: nobody here knows what really happened ... and that won't stop most of you from being 100 percent sure about who deserves the blame.
Casting doubt? Quoted the wrong post, maybe? Sorry if what I posted struck a nerve
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Ultimately, I blame the Stonecutters
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Hauser threads. FFS
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Makes me thankful that I don't have to manage teenagers.
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If this is the true version, Joey's going to have to pick up his game quite a bit to justify his high opinion of himself.
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Is it also not at all coincidental that those who are casting doubts on this version of events, labeling it as spin, having an epiphany about ethics, etc., are the same ones who've been spinning a completely different narrative for the past few weeks?
Here's the truth few here want to admit: nobody here knows what really happened ... and that won't stop most of you from being 100 percent sure about who deserves the blame.
This, of course.
Several Scoopers have said they know somebody who knows the Hausers (or who knows somebody who knows somebody who knows the Hausers) and they have said the Hausers distrusted Wojo and didn't dislike Markus at all. That's what those Scoopers ran with, putting 100% of the blame on the coach.
But the moment Markus announced his return, suddenly the Hausers were willing to keep playing for the coach they didn't like or trust. The latter part of it never made sense to me, but I still put a good chunk of blame on Wojo because he is the CEO and he let a situation spin out of control.
This new narrative, which seems highly plausible, does indeed support what many of us have believed: that the Hausers -- all 4 of them -- were not "pure" in this whole thing.
So yes, I am guilty of seeing something that seems extremely believable as actually being believable.
But of course I don't know what happened. None of us do. What has cracked me up the most about this entire month-plus of Hausershima has been the certainty of the anti-Wojo crowd that he was 100% at fault and the Golden Children (and Daddy and Mommy H) were the innocent victims.
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This, of course.
Several Scoopers have said they know somebody who knows the Hausers (or who knows somebody who knows somebody who knows the Hausers) and they have said the Hausers distrusted Wojo and didn't dislike Markus at all. That's what those Scoopers ran with, putting 100% of the blame on the coach.
But the moment Markus announced his return, suddenly the Hausers were willing to keep playing for the coach they didn't like or trust. The latter part of it never made sense to me, but I still put a good chunk of blame on Wojo because he is the CEO and he let a situation spin out of control.
This new narrative, which seems highly plausible, does indeed support what many of us have believed: that the Hausers -- all 4 of them -- were not "pure" in this whole thing.
So yes, I am guilty of seeing something that seems extremely believable as actually being believable.
But of course I don't know what happened. None of us do. What has cracked me up the most about this entire month-plus of Hausershima has been the certainty of the anti-Wojo crowd that he was 100% at fault and the Golden Children (and Daddy and Mommy H) were the innocent victims.
And if they stayed and two or three other guys left...then what? You cannot control happiness, especially with teenagers. I hope they go to Madison which is likely. Joey and Brad can reconnect. I’ll miss Sam, but no solution would make people happy here and Wojo cannot force happiness on anyone. When they were 24-5 or whatever the record was before Nova and players upset.....then the unhappy ones need to go.
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Casting doubt? Quoted the wrong post, maybe? Sorry if what I posted struck a nerve
1. Quoted the right post.
2. If you think you struck a nerve, you're obviously missing the point.
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And if they stayed and two or three other guys left...then what? You cannot control happiness, especially with teenagers. I hope they go to Madison which is likely. Joey and Brad can reconnect. I’ll miss Sam, but no solution would make people happy here and Wojo cannot force happiness on anyone. When they were 24-5 or whatever the record was before Nova and players upset.....then the unhappy ones need to go.
Then I wish them the best and go get three better players..I'd have traded the Hausers staying over anyone else leaving(sans Markus).
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From all the body language and personal interactions that i witnessed in watching every single minute if every single game.... the OP is exactly how i saw it.
A highly touted child comes into a new program as the freshman and encounters advertisy. For the first time in his basketball career not everything is easy, his unfortunate response is to act like a crybaby and a bitch. It was what it was, unfortunate as heck, but i never saw teammates or coaches be anything but encouraging and maybe a little challenging to Joey. He chose to sulk, blame, and ultimately run. Hes a bitch. Anyone that wants to blame anyone but Joey has a screw loose. For thise that want to blame anyone besides Joey just compare the character of a Jamal Cain and his demanor and actions for the entire season to those of Joey.
Its a shame we lost those guys but Joey was not a program guy, he maybe elsewhere under different circumstances but he never was at MU last year.
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1. Quoted the right post.
2. If you think you struck a nerve, you're obviously missing the point.
You actually skipped 1. Casting doubt. Please point that out
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I don't want to get too deep but I do recall one presser where Wojo in the gentlest way possible talked about trying to get Joey to understand that by working hard every day he would maximize his potential.
And I'll further say that the 'other two transfers' could very well be tied to a notion of 'special treatment' for Joey suggesting in their minds that the entire system was rigged.
Kudos IF what Wojo really did was say the uniform was more important than any individual player.
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I think this latest information can easily be 2 sides of the same coin but this time from the non-Hauser point of view. This was less about the whole team being upset but more the Hausers specifically Joey being upset that Wojo wouldn't force Marcus to share the ball more. That said even this side of the coin doesn't let Wojo off the hook. His decision to "let the team handle it" will have ended up costing him 2 of his best 3 players and a 19 - 20 season that would have allowed him to finally make his name as a head coach. Other coaches have multiple good players that have egos and parents. This can't always end with key members of team transferring. So whatever Wojo did (or didn't do) it didn't work and he needs to try something different next time. If that means having a more open relationship with his players so that people know they are being heard so that things don't reach a boiling point and exercising more control of the way his team runs offense then he needs to make those changes. The answer isn't just go find new players like Kentucky and Duke do each year because MU will never be able to recruit at that level. Maybe Wojo will find he needs to spend more time refining the current team and less time flying around looking at prospects.
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A little too pat, way too black and white. Most likely some truth mixed with a large dose of spin. I pray the source isn't really a coach - if it is this is unethical in addition to being self serving spin.
Well said, Leonard.
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There is no kudos to be thrown to Wojo. He fooked up major in mishandling the entire fiasco. What the hell did he learn sitting next to K all those years? He let a campfire escalate to a forest fire.
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For all the anti Joey boys, I am afraid he is going to come back and haunt us.
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There is no kudos to be thrown to Wojo. He fooked up major in mishandling the entire fiasco. What the hell did he learn sitting next to K all those years? He let a campfire escalate to a forest fire.
In my experience in the workworld and in athletics, you can't make everyone happy. Joey was unhappy playing 30 minutes a game as a freshman on a 24 win team.
Sometimes people will never be happy until they are somewhere else,.
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The think is, if you ponder it, the two narratives have more in common than in opposition. Especially if you add in what we witnessed. Joey was visibly frustrated as far back as November with not getting the ball when/where he wanted it. He already thinks Markus is a ballhog. Then Markus has the gall to tell HIM to get tougher. Which Wojo reinforces publicly. Joey becomes convinced that Markus is getting preferential treatment, and the feeling grows as Joey goes through the frustrations of freshman year. If you think back over the games, how often did you see Joey frustrated about not getting the ball? It grows. A feeling of being betrayed by the coach. Markus and hero ball. Winning at Georgetown without Markus. A losing streak. A letter. An ultimatum. A return and then two departures.
The two narratives intertwine. A few details diverge, as they always do. Who signed the letter, was the team more upset with Markus or Joey? Different perspectives, possibly both with truth.
In the end, no detente could be reached. And I do think that Joey will go on to be as good as his brother. Though I am still skeptical either gets more than a 10-day in the league. And it is entirely possible he comes back in a couple of years healthy and torches MU on the court. Or not. Can't be helped now.
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From all the body language and personal interactions that i witnessed in watching every single minute if every single game.... the OP is exactly how i saw it.
A highly touted child comes into a new program as the freshman and encounters advertisy. For the first time in his basketball career not everything is easy, his unfortunate response is to act like a crybaby and a bitch. It was what it was, unfortunate as heck, but i never saw teammates or coaches be anything but encouraging and maybe a little challenging to Joey. He chose to sulk, blame, and ultimately run. Hes a bitch. Anyone that wants to blame anyone but Joey has a screw loose. For thise that want to blame anyone besides Joey just compare the character of a Jamal Cain and his demanor and actions for the entire season to those of Joey.
Its a shame we lost those guys but Joey was not a program guy, he maybe elsewhere under different circumstances but he never was at MU last year.
Best Post of The Year
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I honestly think Joey looked at Henry as a one and done and thought that he's a better player than Henry (better shooter for sure) so he should also be a one and done. Especially after the half season redshirt.
Given that the NBA drafts on potential, I could also see this approach. Whether or not he's better than Henry, he thought he is.
Then, he doesn't get the ball. He's not the featured player. He hits the freshman wall - and he's still enough of a baby that in his mind none of this is his fault.
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I honestly think Joey looked at Henry as a one and done and thought that he's a better player than Henry (better shooter for sure) so he should also be a one and done. Especially after the half season redshirt.
Given that the NBA drafts on potential, I could also see this approach. Whether or not he's better than Henry, he thought he is.
Then, he doesn't get the ball. He's not the featured player. He hits the freshman wall - and he's still enough of a baby that in his mind none of this is his fault.
Could see that, whether or not it was ever truly discussed openly. Unfortunately Joey had nowhere near the handle of Henry (which to my recollection was not a high bar to set)
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I honestly think Joey looked at Henry as a one and done and thought that he's a better player than Henry (better shooter for sure) so he should also be a one and done. Especially after the half season redshirt.
Given that the NBA drafts on potential, I could also see this approach. Whether or not he's better than Henry, he thought he is.
Then, he doesn't get the ball. He's not the featured player. He hits the freshman wall - and he's still enough of a baby that in his mind none of this is his fault.
He probably also saw what was happening with Herro.
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There is no kudos to be thrown to Wojo. He fooked up major in mishandling the entire fiasco. What the hell did he learn sitting next to K all those years? He let a campfire escalate to a forest fire.
Eh. I agree that he doesn't really earn any kudos, but it seems his level of blame isn't what where it initially should have been.
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He probably also saw what was happening with Herro.
Hero is a much better player than Joey. I think Joey can become a very good player, but the upside much like Hank has a ceiling that is lower than what he believes it is. Now, if Joey haunts us for one whole game a year.... oh well.
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He probably also saw what was happening with Herro.
Whom he reportedly did not want to play with. Because of ball hogging tendencies.
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There is no kudos to be thrown to Wojo. He fooked up major in mishandling the entire fiasco. What the hell did he learn sitting next to K all those years? He let a campfire escalate to a forest fire.
Disagree doc. Takes two to tango. No one in 100% to blame. That doesn’t mean 50-50 either, but I am glad to see the rest of the team rallying at this point. It makes 0% sense that these two were willing to stay and play for this coach if one other guy left. That tells me it isn’t all on the coach, but partially on them, too. Shame....but life goes on. I will back the guys that have MU on the front of the jersey.
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Disagree doc. Takes two to tango. No one in 100% to blame. That doesn’t mean 50-50 either, but I am glad to see the rest of the team rallying at this point. It makes 0% sense that these two were willing to stay and play for this coach if one other guy left. That tells me it isn’t all on the coach, but partially on them, too. Shame....but life goes on. I will back the guys that have MU on the front of the jersey.
The Jerseys says Marquette on the front...
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If the BEPOY/Second team All-American leaves, we'll stay and play for you, coach.
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Whom he reportedly did not want to play with. Because of ball hogging tendencies.
Feels like a guy who was the man in a small town in Wisconsin and wanted to remain that way and didn’t realize he was going up in weight class. I can only hope in a few years he will mature and recognize it, but it will be somewhere else.
I expect to read quotes from him in future saying that he didn’t have the maturity at 18, didn’t realize how hard this was going to be, made some decisions maybe he shouldn’t have but life isn’t perfect path.
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If the BEPOY/Second team All-American leaves, we'll stay and play for you, coach.
Yup, makes zero sense but this is what the Wojo haters are essentially saying.
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You guys are all so naive, and believe everything you see online. Smh...Joey was NOT the reason for the transfer(s).
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Does anyone know who the player Markus allegedly called out after the Murray State game is?
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You guys are all so naive, and believe everything you see online. Smh...Joey was NOT the reason for the transfer(s).
You see the irony there'd be if people believed you because you wrote this right?
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Could see that, whether or not it was ever truly discussed openly. Unfortunately Joey had nowhere near the handle of Henry (which to my recollection was not a high bar to set)
Henry was a tremendous College Basketball Player . He averaged 17 and 10 as a freshman. If our Coach would have disciplined him to play within a team concept ( which meant he would have been more of a post player ), he probably would have been in the 21-12 type category . That said ,Joey actually has the shot that Henry has been trying obtain .
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The think is, if you ponder it, the two narratives have more in common than in opposition. Especially if you add in what we witnessed. Joey was visibly frustrated as far back as November with not getting the ball when/where he wanted it. He already thinks Markus is a ballhog. Then Markus has the gall to tell HIM to get tougher. Which Wojo reinforces publicly. Joey becomes convinced that Markus is getting preferential treatment, and the feeling grows as Joey goes through the frustrations of freshman year. If you think back over the games, how often did you see Joey frustrated about not getting the ball? It grows. A feeling of being betrayed by the coach. Markus and hero ball. Winning at Georgetown without Markus. A losing streak. A letter. An ultimatum. A return and then two departures.
The two narratives intertwine. A few details diverge, as they always do. Who signed the letter, was the team more upset with Markus or Joey? Different perspectives, possibly both with truth.
In the end, no detente could be reached. And I do think that Joey will go on to be as good as his brother. Though I am still skeptical either gets more than a 10-day in the league. And it is entirely possible he comes back in a couple of years healthy and torches MU on the court. Or not. Can't be helped now.
There’s really only one way to deal with unhappy people. See ya’.
I remember reading an article by a CEO who was constantly praised for the good attitude of his employees. He said he listened to their complaints, implemented what they asked for, and went out of his way to placate them. Result? No change.
So he fired the unhappy people and those with bad attitudes and hired people who were happier. That’s all it took to change the culture of the company.
In other words, good riddance, Joey.
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This reeks of a PR “leak.”
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Feels like a guy who was the man in a small town in Wisconsin and wanted to remain that way and didn’t realize he was going up in weight class. I can only hope in a few years he will mature and recognize it, but it will be somewhere else.
I expect to read quotes from him in future saying that he didn’t have the maturity at 18, didn’t realize how hard this was going to be, made some decisions maybe he shouldn’t have but life isn’t perfect path.
Plenty of kids come from small towns and adjust just fine.
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Just for full credit and citation, this originated over on Dodd's board.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Reply/hackleft-Reply-131752410/
Good for you Rocky, nice move.
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Henry was a tremendous College Basketball Player . He averaged 17 and 10 as a freshman. If our Coach would have disciplined him to play within a team concept ( which meant he would have been more of a post player ), he probably would have been in the 21-12 type category . That said ,Joey actually has the shot that Henry has been trying obtain .
Henry had his own ambitions which were to audition for the NBA scouts.
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You guys are all so naive, and believe everything you see online. Smh...Joey was NOT the reason for the transfer(s).
Says the guy who constantly makes statements that the rest of us are supposed to believe.
Which doesn't put you in the minority, guru, we all do it. But you are calling folks out for doing exactly what you do.
And I seriously doubt that you know exactly what happened here, either.
The obvious conclusion is that Wojo, as the CEO, gets a huge chunk of blame for letting a situation blow up, AND the Hausers fanned the flames of discontent to play a major role in the breakup of a potentially good team.
They quit Marquette. They are F%ckies now. Screw 'em.
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In my experience in the workworld and in athletics, you can't make everyone happy. Joey was unhappy playing 30 minutes a game as a freshman on a 24 win team.
Sometimes people will never be happy until they are somewhere else,.
Yep, I think Coach K had a similar problem with Rasheed Sulaimon.
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There is no kudos to be thrown to Wojo. He fooked up major in mishandling the entire fiasco. What the hell did he learn sitting next to K all those years? He let a campfire escalate to a forest fire.
What do you think Wojo could of actually done. He could of benched Joey and Joey would of transferred anyway. His only choice was to let Joey play through it. Wojo runs his offense through his guards. The guards shoot and that is what he wants.
Somebody said Joey wanted to go to Wisconsin, but his dad said he had to play with Sam. I have no idea if this is true, but maybe Joey never really wanted to be here. To me the majority of the problem is with the father. He is telling the boys what to do, he is apparently fighting with Markus's father. He tells Sam he has to stick with family. He tells his sons to write a letter. He is upset when Wojo does not stick up for his 6'8" & 6'9" sons when they get in a shoving match with a 5'11" player.
I do not think there is much Wojo could of done to change the final outcome.
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Somebody said Joey wanted to go to Wisconsin, but his dad said he had to play with Sam. I have no idea if this is true, but maybe Joey never really wanted to be here. To me the majority of the problem is with the father. He is telling the boys what to do, he is apparently fighting with Markus's father. He tells Sam he has to stick with family. He tells his sons to write a letter. He is upset when Wojo does not stick up for his 6'8" & 6'9" sons when they get in a shoving match with a 5'11" player.
I do not think there is much Wojo could of done to change the final outcome.
The TV broadcasts throughout the season often showed the Hauser parents in the stands at home games and even some -- maybe many -- road games. Stevens Point is 155 miles from Milwaukee -- not exactly down the block. I assume the father has a job. How do you find time to do all that traveling? And it isn't cheap. Along with everything the father allegedly did, he (they) seem like stereotypical helicopter parents taken to the extreme. A redo of Maymon’s father.
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What do you think Wojo could of actually done. He could of benched Joey and Joey would of transferred anyway. His only choice was to let Joey play through it. Wojo runs his offense through his guards. The guards shoot and that is what he wants.
Somebody said Joey wanted to go to Wisconsin, but his dad said he had to play with Sam. I have no idea if this is true, but maybe Joey never really wanted to be here. To me the majority of the problem is with the father. He is telling the boys what to do, he is apparently fighting with Markus's father. He tells Sam he has to stick with family. He tells his sons to write a letter. He is upset when Wojo does not stick up for his 6'8" & 6'9" sons when they get in a shoving match with a 5'11" player.
I do not think there is much Wojo could of done to change the final outcome.
Daddy and Mommy H did not emerge from this looking great IMHO.
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What do you think Wojo could of actually done. He could of benched Joey and Joey would of transferred anyway. His only choice was to let Joey play through it. Wojo runs his offense through his guards. The guards shoot and that is what he wants.
Somebody said Joey wanted to go to Wisconsin, but his dad said he had to play with Sam. I have no idea if this is true, but maybe Joey never really wanted to be here. To me the majority of the problem is with the father. He is telling the boys what to do, he is apparently fighting with Markus's father. He tells Sam he has to stick with family. He tells his sons to write a letter. He is upset when Wojo does not stick up for his 6'8" & 6'9" sons when they get in a shoving match with a 5'11" player.
I do not think there is much Wojo could of done to change the final outcome.
The word is “have” (not “of”).
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Everything I've heard indicates that the parents would have preferred them to stick it out at MU. This was the kids' decision.
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Everything I've heard indicates that the parents would have preferred them to stick it out at MU. This was the kids' decision.
Kids or kid, I go with kid...
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To the people here who place most or all of the blame on Wojo, I have a question:
Do you think it was Pop’s fault the Kawhi didn’t want to play in San Antonio? Kawhi basically did what Joey did to get out of town.
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To the people here who place most or all of the blame on Wojo, I have a question:
Do you think it was Pop’s fault the Kawhi didn’t want to play in San Antonio? Kawhi basically did what Joey did to get out of town.
When Wojo gets Pop’s resume, let me know.
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The TV broadcasts throughout the season often showed the Hauser parents in the stands at home games and even some -- maybe many -- road games. Stevens Point is 155 miles from Milwaukee -- not exactly down the block. I assume the father has a job. How do you find time to do all that traveling? And it isn't cheap. Along with everything the father allegedly did, he (they) seem like stereotypical helicopter parents taken to the extreme. A redo of Maymon’s father.
If I had kids playing D1 ball and was 155 miles from campus, I would be at pretty much every game possible. Probably using the money that I set aside for their college education.
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Everything I've heard indicates that the parents would have preferred them to stick it out at MU. This was the kids' decision.
This exactly...the parents were not in favor of them leaving MU, very strongly against it. And yes one Kid made the decision, the other went along with it, and would have gone along with whatever he decided.
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This reeks of a PR “leak.”
Deserves skepticism at the very least. Instead it’s being gobbled up as the most believable version lol
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Deserves skepticism at the very least. Instead it’s being gobbled up as the most believable version lol
Ironic.
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Ironic.
No. Predictable.
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When Wojo gets Pop’s resume, let me know.
That has nothing to do with my question.
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That has nothing to do with my question.
Of course it does. When someone has shown to be among the very best at their profession, they get the benefit of the doubt.
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Deserves skepticism at the very least. Instead it’s being gobbled up as the most believable version lol
The fact that Dodds didn’t delete the post is a dead giveaway.
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Of course it does. When someone has shown to be among the very best at their profession, they get the benefit of the doubt.
so if he did it at pomona pitzer when he was 76-129 you could crucify him for it but because hes proven his convictions work over time you cant?
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The fact that Dodds didn’t delete the post is a dead giveaway.
Why
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To the people here who place most or all of the blame on Wojo, I have a question:
Do you think it was Pop’s fault the Kawhi didn’t want to play in San Antonio? Kawhi basically did what Joey did to get out of town.
I don’t know if it is his fault but he’s accountable for it. Luckily for him the organization chose to bet on him versus the player. But it doesn’t always go that way in the NBA and many times the coach is out. That being said that seems like apples and peaches to this whole fiasco.
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so if he did it at pomona pitzer when he was 76-129 you could crucify him for it but because hes proven his convictions work over time you cant?
Well what he did back then wasn’t part of the hypothetical.
But yes. His experience and success gives him the benefit of the doubt.
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I don’t know if it is his fault but he’s accountable for it. Luckily for him the organization chose to bet on him versus the player. But it doesn’t always go that way in the NBA and many times the coach is out. That being said that seems like apples and peaches to this whole fiasco.
Good reply, Frenns. I tend to disagree cuz a coach can’t control a player’s emotions. If a guy wants to leave he’s going to do it one way or the other.
Kawhi didn’t want to play for Pops. Joey didn’t want to play for Wojo. So they moved on.
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The TV broadcasts throughout the season often showed the Hauser parents in the stands at home games and even some -- maybe many -- road games. Stevens Point is 155 miles from Milwaukee -- not exactly down the block. I assume the father has a job. How do you find time to do all that traveling? And it isn't cheap. Along with everything the father allegedly did, he (they) seem like stereotypical helicopter parents taken to the extreme. A redo of Maymon’s father.
Putting a negative spin on the fact that the Hausers made every effort to see their sons play college basketball together? Uh, yeah, OK.
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Henry had his own ambitions which were to audition for the NBA scouts.
I agree with this analysis
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Deserves skepticism at the very least. Instead it’s being gobbled up as the most believable version lol
People believe the version of events that most closely resembles their predetermined narrative.
Yourself included.
The irony you're missing is that you're guilty of that at which you scoff.
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Kawhi didn’t want to play for Pops. Joey didn’t want to play for Wojo. So they moved on.
Sure if this is your CYO league. These guys are paid to win basketball games at their respective levels. I guess if the “shrug”, jimmy’s a poor sport argument makes it feel better, more power to you.
Wojo is paid to recruit and retain major D1 b-ball contributors. Pop is paid to win with the talent the gm assembled.
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People believe the version of events that most closely resembles their predetermined narrative.
Yourself included.
The irony you're missing is that you're guilty of that at which you scoff.
This is true. A version of it could be repeated in any thread where an opinion is expressed since they are largely informed by our biases. Mine, yours, everyone's.
So, no more opinions, no more biases and no more irony. Shut 'er down.
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This exactly...the parents were not in favor of them leaving MU, very strongly against it. And yes one Kid made the decision, the other went along with it, and would have gone along with whatever he decided.
I feel bad for Sam. He should have stayed to finish out as a great Warrior.
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This reeks of a PR “leak.”
Cancer
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Plenty of kids come from small towns and adjust just fine.
Yup, and plenty don’t. But small town is only one part, it is the part about being the guy and being a winner in that small town all the time that is tougher to adjust to when you are no longer the guy.
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Deserves skepticism at the very least. Instead it’s being gobbled up as the most believable version lol
Delicious irony of the most tasty savory variety.
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This is true. A version of it could be repeated in any thread where an opinion is expressed since they are largely informed by our biases. Mine, yours, everyone's.
So, no more opinions, no more biases and no more irony. Shut 'er down.
Nah.
Much better to pretend I know everything and claim that any version that conflicts with my own is PR spin (and unethical PR spin at that).
Cause Lord knows that if the coaches wanted to get itheir spin out, they could find no better means than through an anonymous post three weeks after the fact on Dodds' board.
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People believe the version of events that most closely resembles their predetermined narrative.
Yourself included.
The irony you're missing is that you're guilty of that at which you scoff.
Not guilty at all. I’ve heard a version of the same story early on from multiple sources. This story came out and I considered it (see the outside view of Hausers thread). No confirmation bias here. All that said this new version which marinated for weeks for reasons unknown deserves a fair amount of skepticism. Ironically it’s getting very little from the pro Wojo crowd
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Not guilty at all. I’ve heard a version of the same story early on from multiple sources. This story came out and I considered it (see the outside view of Hausers thread). No confirmation bias here. All that said this new version which marinated for weeks for reasons unknown deserves a fair amount of skepticism. Ironically it’s getting very little from the pro Wojo crowd
Lack of self awareness: confirmed.
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Lack of self awareness: confirmed.
Oh fluff. I stopped caring about your opinions the night you went 13 year old ovulating girl on everyone and ate crow the next day. But thanks for chiming in
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Nah.
Much better to pretend I know everything and claim that any version that conflicts with my own is PR spin (and unethical PR spin at that).
Cause Lord knows that if the coaches wanted to get itheir spin out, they could find no better means than through an anonymous post three weeks after the fact on Dodds' board.
You're making things up again. Careful - your bias and preferred narrative is showing. Ironic.
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Oh fluff. I stopped caring about your opinions the night you went 13 year old ovulating girl on everyone and ate crow the next day. But thanks for chiming in
Your reply suggests otherwise.
But anyone who says they don’t have confirmation bias actually likely has it worse. Everyone has it.
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Putting a negative spin on the fact that the Hausers made every effort to see their sons play college basketball together? Uh, yeah, OK.
Just found it kinda strange. Don't people have to spend most of their time working for a living instead of taking time off to travel hundreds or thousands of miles every few days? Not to mention the cost.
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I heard Joey was pissed that he hadn’t received a SOTG at all so he demanded a change.
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You're making things up again. Careful - your bias and preferred narrative is showing. Ironic.
No idea what you're talking about here.
But I suspect that goes for the both of us.
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No idea what you're talking about here.
But I suspect that goes for the both of us.
If I misinterpreted your remarks I apologize.
If not...
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Yup, and plenty don’t. But small town is only one part, it is the part about being the guy and being a winner in that small town all the time that is tougher to adjust to when you are no longer the guy.
Sure. Whatever.
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You don't easily replace two players who were named to the All Big East 2nd team and Big East All-Freshman team in Sam and Joey, respectively. Joey was also named Big East Freshman of the Week five times.
Downplaying their talent serves no purpose. They were both deserving starters, good all-around players and will be missed on the court.
That said, Marquette still returns an All-American, 2 other starters and virtually everyone else. The roster will also feature at least 3 new players (Koby, Ike and Dexter). It's possible Marquette can be as good without them -- perhaps even better.
But that possibility depends on a large number of "ifs":
• If poor team chemistry was the main reason MU lost 6 of its last 7
• If Wojo hasn't lost the team and rises to the challenge
• If the team gets closer and mentally tougher as a result
• If greater team quickness leads to improved defense and driving
• If team rebounding doesn't become a liability
• If Markus and Koby can play alongside one another
• If Koby, Brendan and Jamal become reasonable 3-point threats (35+%)
• If Theo can stay on the court longer to terrorize opposing offenses
• If Sacar steps up as as a senior leader and contributor
• If more of the potential we've seen in Brendan and Jamal is realized
• If Ike or yet-to-be-named signees can provide quality depth off the bench
• If Markus and the rest of the team stay healthy
Like I said, a lot of "ifs."
Unfortunately, we won't have answers to most of the above questions for another six months. It's gonna be a long off-season.
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Sorry, I meant to post the above in the "Good, not great" thread.
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Sorry, I meant to post the above in the "Good, not great" thread.
A nice break from the multiple different posting leans here.
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You don't easily replace two players who were named to the All Big East 2nd team and Big East All-Freshman team in Sam and Joey, respectively. Joey was also named Big East Freshman of the Week five times.
Downplaying their talent serves no purpose. They were both deserving starters, good all-around players and will be missed on the court.
That said, Marquette still returns an All-American, 2 other starters and virtually everyone else. The roster will also feature at least 3 new players (Koby, Ike and Dexter). It's possible Marquette can be as good without them -- perhaps even better.
But that possibility depends on a large number of "ifs":
• If poor team chemistry was the main reason MU lost 6 of its last 7
• If Wojo hasn't lost the team and rises to the challenge
• If the team gets closer and mentally tougher as a result
• If greater team quickness leads to improved defense and driving
• If team rebounding doesn't become a liability
• If Markus and Koby can play alongside one another
• If Koby, Brendan and Jamal become reasonable 3-point threats (35+%)
• If Theo can stay on the court longer to terrorize opposing offenses
• If Sacar steps up as as a senior leader and contributor
• If more of the potential we've seen in Brendan and Jamal is realized
• If Ike or yet-to-be-named signees can provide quality depth off the bench
• If Markus and the rest of the team stay healthy
Like I said, a lot of "ifs."
Unfortunately, we won't have answers to most of the above questions for another six months. It's gonna be a long off-season.
Yes you do easily replace them and keep it moving. I do not know if I would use the word 'easily' because that is not well placed.
But lets use your word easily. So yes, it is possible that they can be easily replaced by changing the style and focus of the team.
THIS IS NOT THE NBA.
The college game changes all the time by necessity. They will just have to use their team strengths. Lets face it, this team was good, record-wise based on Marcus Howard.
They fell off when dissension and divisive set in and some thought that was not the case instead of sticking together.
Period. Lets not get it twisted. The opposing teams focus when they played the Golden Eagles was Howard, not the two brothers with all due respect.
Now, Howard can take a jump in leadership by helping his young teammates turn up their games and help make them better and more confident and assertive players all pulling the same rope, to improve his NBA stock.
It will come down to improved ball-handling, decision making and shot selection to a small extent [because his range is limitless so how do you tell him to not shoot the ball is beyond me???] and can he get his teammates to allow him to make them better with his leadership or not?
It's that simple.
If they all buy in to his Senior Leadership with Morrow and Sacar, sure they can be much better than last year. ESPECIALLY LATE IN THE YEAR at tournament time and I will assure you they won't drop 7 of 9 to end the year next year if healthy.
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Honestly who gives AF. The world keeps turning. MU has a solid team next year. We return the Big East POY and should make the tournament. Life goes on. Let the Hauser bros go off and do their thing. Time to look forward. I could give a flying fudge where they end up, if it is UW so be it. People on this board need to let go.
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Honestly who gives AF. The world keeps turning. MU has a solid team next year. We return the Big East POY and should make the tournament. Life goes on. Let the Hauser bros go off and do their thing. Time to look forward. I could give a flying fudge where they end up, if it is UW so be it. People on this board need to let go.
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Downplaying their talent serves no purpose. They were both deserving starters, good all-around players and will be missed on the court.
Joey is a sieve on defense, definitely not an "all-around" player.
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Honestly who gives AF. The world keeps turning. MU has a solid team next year. We return the Big East POY and should make the tournament. Life goes on. Let the Hauser bros go off and do their thing. Time to look forward. I could give a flying fudge where they end up, if it is UW so be it. People on this board need to let go.
I'm with you on this. I see we lost 2 (one is my favorite player - Sam), but there was distinct dissention at the end of the season, and I saw it in Joey. There was no question Markus was riding him a little, looking for a little more fire. I'm not in on any inside info, I just get to watch the games I can get in FL, and to me, Joey was an issue just watching his attitude.
The reality is we lose 2 quality starters, and get four players (Ike, Greg, Dexter, Koby). NEXT MAN UP. The chemistry of the team did revolve around Markus. The current players all seem to like and respect him on the court. No question the chemistry will be better. Yet to be seen, but just my gut feel. Watch the way Greg reacted off the bench to Markus nearly every game. Cain played significantly better the year before with Greg in the game. Just my observation, let the stat guys can go crunch numbers on it. I also think Bailey was impressive for a guy that took 2 years off. He grew a lot in one season. I'm not too worried about him.
Are we a #2 team? Nah! Can we crack the top 10 ... maybe. Are we going to challenge a lot of really strong teams? I say yes. This is an exciting team coming up, and we'd be better off looking forward than whining and fingerpointing at the folks actually on the court doing the grunt work!
By the way, no results in yet, but we still don't know if we add to our talent (yes, we have a lot), but there is still a chance to pull in a nice transfer. That can really be a significant boost.
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What I have learned from Scoop:
The Hausers are definitely going to Virginia.
The Hausers are definitely going to MSU.
The Hausers are definitely going to Madison.
It was Wojo's fault.
It was Sam's fault.
It was Joey's fault.
It was Markus's fault.
It was Marcus's fault.
I have learned so much here.
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I blame it all on THE TERROR. Matt was the only player in the hotel bar after the Murray State game. He should have been back in the players rooms, breaking up this pillow fight.
Even though his MU career was over, and he had family in the bar waiting for him, he neglected his duties as the senior leader.
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I blame it all on THE TERROR. Matt was the only player in the hotel bar after the Murray State game. He should have been back in the players rooms, breaking up this pillow fight.
Even though his MU career was over, and he had family in the bar waiting for him, he neglected his duties as the senior leader.
+1, Matt Heldt was a cancer. Glad to see him gone.
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This exactly...the parents were not in favor of them leaving MU, very strongly against it. And yes one Kid made the decision, the other went along with it, and would have gone along with whatever he decided.
Prove this is true, please.
Or stop claiming you know things that you very likely do not.
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+1, Matt Heldt was a cancer. Glad to see him gone.
Careful!!
Many here do not acknowledge the existence of sarcasm.
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+1, Matt Heldt was a cancer. Glad to see him gone.
Don't cry over graduated milk.
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Don't cry over graduated milk.
Damn, excellent pun
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Damn, excellent pun
It's not a pun at all...
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It's not a pun at all...
Seriously! What the Heldt is going on around here? That was not a pun! Markus down as one of the least intelligence boards out there! We can’t even tell what a pun is? Hauser reputation ever going to improve with such misunderstanding of a simple comedic tool such as the pun? Wojo believe this is happening? I can’t.
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The TV broadcasts throughout the season often showed the Hauser parents in the stands at home games and even some -- maybe many -- road games. Stevens Point is 155 miles from Milwaukee -- not exactly down the block. I assume the father has a job. How do you find time to do all that traveling? And it isn't cheap. Along with everything the father allegedly did, he (they) seem like stereotypical helicopter parents taken to the extreme. A redo of Maymon’s father.
Jon Harris’s dad drove from Edwardsville, IL for every game of Jon’s 4 year career. He’d spend the night with Jon then drive back to work the next AM. Maybe, like Jon’s dad, the Hauser’s we’re proud of their sons and their accomplishments that most college kids never attain.
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I blame it all on THE TERROR. Matt was the only player in the hotel bar after the Murray State game. He should have been back in the players rooms, breaking up this pillow fight.
Even though his MU career was over, and he had family in the bar waiting for him, he neglected his duties as the senior leader.
Matt knew not to cry over spilled milk. He handed in his milk pale for a bucket of suds that night to teach the team a life lesson.
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This was sent to me from a friend. Reported source was a “coach” at MU. I don’t post much, but this is the first “report” that makes sense to me
“The problems first started when Markus challenged Joey to be tougher and said more was needed from him for the team to reach their full potential. This was done as a friend and captain and with Sam's approval. Joey did not take the message well to the point his friendship with Markus was affected. As the year went on the friendship steadily got worse. Sam and Markus remained friends but not as close. The Hauser and Howard families relationship became strained as well. I was told that Joey now absolutely hates Markus and the Hauser family does not like the Howard family. Sam and Markus are still friends but again not as close. A letter was written to Wojo by the Hausers at the prompting of the parents and it was really because Joey was disgruntled. Teammates suggested they not give the letter to Wojo and no teammate signed the letter with the Hausers. Markus became aware of the letter and initially tried backing off his focus on scoring and tried to patch things up with Joey. Unfortunately, the offense became stagnant and the ball ended up in Markus' hands at the end of the shot clock and Markus and Joey's relationship did not improve.
Fast forward to the locker room after the Murray State game and Markus challenged a teammate for how they played in the game. Sam stepped in as a co-captain and Markus and Sam got into an argument. Joey then joined Sam and got into a shoving match with Markus. Wojo walked in at the end of this and did not do anything. Wojo simply let the players handle it. The Hauser family was upset that Wojo did not stick up for Sam and Joey. In addition none of the other players sided with Sam and Joey including the player Markus had confronted. I was told before the team returned to Milwaukee Joey was definitely going to transfer if Markus returned. The belief was that Sam would still return. Eventually Sam went along with the sentiments of the family and agreed to transfer if Markus came back. Once Markus announced he was returning the Hausers announced their decision.
One of the coaches the Hausers contacted asked why they were transferring. When informed of their reason he told them things would have been handled the same with his team. The coached asked them to think about whether they'd really want to join his team if that was the case and they should take a few days to decide. If there was a divisive member on last years team it was Joey because he would sulk which the players not getting as many minutes did not appreciate. Two players most likely would have transferred if Joey returned.”
He also thought Iowa is their destination.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1125806101809848320
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1125806101809848320
Brad + Joey reunion would be fun to watch.
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Anyone remember the @ Depaul game, when it clearly was caught on replay after Joey missed a shot and sulked, and Markus quickly jumped in his face and got on him. Perfect example.
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Stan Johnson
@MUCoachJohnson
Never eat with the people you didn’t starve with. Never ride with the people you didn’t walk with. Be true and stick to your crew. Fake people don’t surprise me anymore, loyal people do. #tightcircle
5:10 AM - 8 May 2019
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Stan Johnson
@MUCoachJohnson
Never eat with the people you didn’t starve with. Never ride with the people you didn’t walk with. Be true and stick to your crew. Fake people don’t surprise me anymore, loyal people do. #tightcircle
5:10 AM - 8 May 2019
I guess Stan is saying Sam and Joey = "Fake people." Interesting.
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I guess Stan is saying Sam and Joey = "Fake people." Interesting.
I wouldn't guess that. I would guess he's referring to fans flaming the announced contract extension.
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I guess Stan is saying Sam and Joey = "Fake people." Interesting.
I think it's never a good idea to read too much into Stan's tweets.
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I guess Stan is saying Sam and Joey = "Fake people." Interesting.
I don’t read it that way and don’t pretend to know who Stan is referencing. It could easily be the fire Wojo crowd or just a general statement.
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Stan seems to pull his tweets from whatever Successories poster his eyes gaze upon at that particular moment.
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I wouldn't guess that. I would guess he's referring to fans flaming the announced contract extension.
Yeah that's the way I read it.
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The story if true just seems to make the hauser brothers, joey in particular, look like soft entitled punks. Step up and take charge of the game if that's what you think you are owed. Sucks to lose them, Sam in particular, Joey will have a decent career in Europe or Asia. Lets move on! Lets support those who actually want to play for the warriors!!!! Next man up.
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Stan seems to pull his tweets from whatever Successories poster his eyes gaze upon at that particular moment.
This. If you get really inspired by thoughts like "Follow your dreams" or "Never give up" then Stan's Twitter account is gonna blow your mind.
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I think it's never a good idea to read too much into Stan's tweets.
I think you're right.
So NM what I said earlier. Probably read it "wrong."
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Makes sense, Joey always seemed very immature. Wasn't he the one that refused to play with Herro when he showed interest in Marquette?
It's too bad Sam got caught up in all of this. He seems like such a great kid and a true team player.
Yes, and if this account is accurate it makes me feel better about pointing out numerous times since the transfer that Joey has also been a terrible basketball player since February who should have been on the bench.
Also makes.me feel less bad about him being posterized vs Murray State, but that play was just like all his other defensive plays except that he was actually within 4 feet of a player on defense.
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This. If you get really inspired by thoughts like "Follow your dreams" or "Never give up" then Stan's Twitter account is gonna blow your mind.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/Affirmation.jpg?v=1501474997)
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The word is “have” (not “of”).
I love you, db. That's been driving me nuts for years.
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Interesting theory based on everything I've read:
1) The Baby Hauser is aggravated because he is not getting the Henry Ellenson treatment and believes he is the core around which the team should be built.
2) By late February, the Baby Hauser has convinced himself that the only thing between winning and losing at Marquette is making sure the Baby Hauser gets his "touches." He tries to instigate a rebellion and is somewhat unsuccessful.
3) We get clobbered against Murray State and the Baby Hauser blames Markus, forgetting that the whole team laid an egg.
4) Coaches see the Baby Hauser's court temperament, his poor defense and his freshmen mistakes and realize he is a "scratch and dent good."
5) The Baby Hauser is discretely told that his game has weaknesses and that there's work to do. He's a talented player but light years behind his brother. Coaches do not want the Baby Hauser unless they get Sam too.
6) The Baby Hauser probably has a less than satisfactory year-end meeting with Coach Wojo, where his weaknesses are clearly spelled out and his prescriptive steps outlined in detail. Nobody has ever talked to the Baby Hauser quite like I suspect Coach Wojo did.
7) Family being family, the Baby Hauser throws big brother under the bus in a massive transfer issue that costs Sam another year before he gets to the NBA and costs the Baby Hauser, potentially, a year of eligibility.
Bottom line is that while I am critical of Coach Wojo for allowing this to fester, the Baby Hauser was a cancer that left untreated would have killed the team next year. I'm not confident that an attitude adjustment was in the works.
Ironically, if we apply the same benchmarks to Sam that we did to Henry Ellenson in evaluating whether Henry should have stayed or gone after his freshman year, the Baby Hauser's temper tantrum cost Sam, at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars and potentially hundreds of thousands in lost wages.
Way to go Baby Hauser. You left lots of crap in your wake.
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Interesting theory based on everything I've read:
1) The Baby Hauser is aggravated because he is not getting the Henry Ellenson treatment and believes he is the core around which the team should be built.
2) By late February, the Baby Hauser has convinced himself that the only thing between winning and losing at Marquette is making sure the Baby Hauser gets his "touches." He tries to instigate a rebellion and is somewhat unsuccessful.
3) We get clobbered against Murray State and the Baby Hauser blames Markus, forgetting that the whole team laid an egg.
4) Coaches see the Baby Hauser's court temperament, his poor defense and his freshmen mistakes and realize he is a "scratch and dent good."
5) The Baby Hauser is discretely told that his game has weaknesses and that there's work to do. He's a talented player but light years behind his brother. Coaches do not want the Baby Hauser unless they get Sam too.
6) The Baby Hauser probably has a less than satisfactory year-end meeting with Coach Wojo, where his weaknesses are clearly spelled out and his prescriptive steps outlined in detail. Nobody has ever talked to the Baby Hauser quite like I suspect Coach Wojo did.
7) Family being family, the Baby Hauser throws big brother under the bus in a massive transfer issue that costs Sam another year before he gets to the NBA and costs the Baby Hauser, potentially, a year of eligibility.
Bottom line is that while I am critical of Coach Wojo for allowing this to fester, the Baby Hauser was a cancer that left untreated would have killed the team next year. I'm not confident that an attitude adjustment was in the works.
Ironically, if we apply the same benchmarks to Sam that we did to Henry Ellenson in evaluating whether Henry should have stayed or gone after his freshman year, the Baby Hauser's temper tantrum cost Sam, at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars and potentially hundreds of thousands in lost wages.
Way to go Baby Hauser. You left lots of crap in your wake.
People are going to believe what they want to believe, I guess.
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Interesting theory based on everything I've read:
1) The Baby Hauser is aggravated because he is not getting the Henry Ellenson treatment and believes he is the core around which the team should be built.
2) By late February, the Baby Hauser has convinced himself that the only thing between winning and losing at Marquette is making sure the Baby Hauser gets his "touches." He tries to instigate a rebellion and is somewhat unsuccessful.
3) We get clobbered against Murray State and the Baby Hauser blames Markus, forgetting that the whole team laid an egg.
4) Coaches see the Baby Hauser's court temperament, his poor defense and his freshmen mistakes and realize he is a "scratch and dent good."
5) The Baby Hauser is discretely told that his game has weaknesses and that there's work to do. He's a talented player but light years behind his brother. Coaches do not want the Baby Hauser unless they get Sam too.
6) The Baby Hauser probably has a less than satisfactory year-end meeting with Coach Wojo, where his weaknesses are clearly spelled out and his prescriptive steps outlined in detail. Nobody has ever talked to the Baby Hauser quite like I suspect Coach Wojo did.
7) Family being family, the Baby Hauser throws big brother under the bus in a massive transfer issue that costs Sam another year before he gets to the NBA and costs the Baby Hauser, potentially, a year of eligibility.
Bottom line is that while I am critical of Coach Wojo for allowing this to fester, the Baby Hauser was a cancer that left untreated would have killed the team next year. I'm not confident that an attitude adjustment was in the works.
Ironically, if we apply the same benchmarks to Sam that we did to Henry Ellenson in evaluating whether Henry should have stayed or gone after his freshman year, the Baby Hauser's temper tantrum cost Sam, at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars and potentially hundreds of thousands in lost wages.
Way to go Baby Hauser. You left lots of crap in your wake.
Brother dgies,
You characterize this treatise as an "interesting theory". I'd say it's an entirely speculative, mean spirited, personal assault on a 19 or 20 year old kid who used to play for us. My "interesting theory" is that Joey took a sh!t in your Wheaties.
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Brother dgies,
You characterize this treatise as an "interesting theory". I'd say it's an entirely speculative, mean spirited, personal assault on a 19 or 20 year old kid who used to play for us. My "interesting theory" is that Joey took a sh!t in your Wheaties.
True, the only thing we know as a fact is that Joey was a terrible basketball player on the basketball court for the last 2 months,.who should have spent much more time on the bench.
The explanation above is the better one for him - a new Gary Sheffield who dropped infield popups but after.leaving really works up to his potential and is really good elsewhere. As much as his continual soft bounce passes to opposing players game after.game looked like intentionally dropped I field popups, I do t really believe they were intentional, but the certainly didn't look like we're coming from a player working hard to win.
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Brother dgies,
You characterize this treatise as an "interesting theory". I'd say it's an entirely speculative, mean spirited, personal assault on a 19 or 20 year old kid who used to play for us. My "interesting theory" is that Joey took a sh!t in your Wheaties.
What Lenny said. Pissing on Joey as speculation is pretty bad.
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The story if true just seems to make the hauser brothers, joey in particular, look like soft entitled punks. Step up and take charge of the game if that's what you think you are owed. Sucks to lose them, Sam in particular, Joey will have a decent career in Europe or Asia. Lets move on! Lets support those who actually want to play for the warriors!!!! Next man up.
Agreed, but will still always love what Sam gave us for three years and can't lump him together with Joey - and still stunned that a vocal minority blamed Markus instead of Joey's collapse for the end of season slide.
Siding with family is forgivable. Creighton this year, jumper over no.1 Nova - in my memory banks forever.
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Man you people are something else...there have been people here(like onepost johnson, myself etc) that have tried and tried and tried to tell you guys what happened with all of this, but NO ONE wants to believe it...because it doesn't fit what THEY want to believe. Now, this story comes out on Dodds's site and suddenly people believe that is EXACTLY what happened(because it makes the most sense, which is laughable), so now it's an all out bash Joey fest(the Hauser's in general). The irony in all of this(and not a single person here will believe it so I don't know why I'm even bothering) is it WASN'T Joey that wanted/decided to transfer. That's 100% fact. He was going to go along with whatever was decided, regardless of what that was. But carry on with your bashing Joey if it makes you all feel better.
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True, the only thing we know as a fact is that Joey was a terrible basketball player on the basketball court for the last 2 months,.who should have spent much more time on the bench.
The explanation above is the better one for him - a new Gary Sheffield who dropped infield popups but after.leaving really works up to his potential and is really good elsewhere. As much as his continual soft bounce passes to opposing players game after.game looked like intentionally dropped I field popups, I do t really believe they were intentional, but the certainly didn't look like we're coming from a player working hard to win.
John
I respect your work and the inferences/opinions you draw from it. I almost always find myself in agreement.
I often agree with Brother dgies takes, too - but this rant is beyond the pale, maybe the worst personal attack I've ever seen here vs a player. An MU grad who's been around as long as he has should know better.
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People are going to believe what they want to believe, I guess.
If you actually read the story, it is the exact same series of events but told from a different perspective then what you want to believe. You subscribe to world view that no matter what Wojo is to blame but I believe the Hausers had blame in the scenario as did Markus as did Stan.
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Man you people are something else...there have been people here(like onepost johnson, myself etc) that have tried and tried and tried to tell you guys what happened with all of this, but NO ONE wants to believe it...because it doesn't fit what THEY want to believe. Now, this story comes out on Dodds's site and suddenly people believe that is EXACTLY what happened(because it makes the most sense, which is laughable), so now it's an all out bash Joey fest(the Hauser's in general). The irony in all of this(and not a single person here will believe it so I don't know why I'm even bothering) is it WASN'T Joey that wanted/decided to transfer. That's 100% fact. He was going to go along with whatever was decided, regardless of what that was. But carry on with your bashing Joey if it makes you all feel better.
And you are the same person that said Mayo didn’t have to be dismissed....and saying that drains your currency of credibility on your inside sources.
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Man you people are something else...there have been people here(like onepost johnson, myself etc) that have tried and tried and tried to tell you guys what happened with all of this, but NO ONE wants to believe it.
It's almost as if people are naturally skeptical of wannabe insiders who anonymously post uncorroborated and unsourced information on internet message boards.
Weird, right?
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And you are the same person that said Mayo didn’t have to be dismissed....and saying that drains your currency of credibility on your inside sources.
mmmmk...I didn't have any info on Mayo, I assumed he was just dismissed because of attitude etc. But i will say, the story I heard was nothing close to the "stealing from teammates" version that was spewed here. I am 100% confident that what i posted above is accurate...people can believe it or not, I give a rat's ass. But i'm tired of seeing people bash Joey because a story came out that they WANT to believe. People want to believe there was collusion to, except the facts said their wasn't...just like the FACTS are Joey was not the one that wanted the transfer.
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It's almost as if people are naturally skeptical of wannabe insiders who anonymously post uncorroborated and unsourced information on internet message boards.
Weird, right?
Really?? Yet for some reason, people buy the story on Dodds's board as being factual..that comes from a uncorroborated and unsourced information posted on a message board.
Weird, right??
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It actually sounds like you care quite a bit that people believe you guru.
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As usual, it can't be "some from Column A and some from Column B."
It's always gotta be black-and-white, "It's so-and-so's fault, I'm right and everybody who disagrees is wrong."
Well ...
Until somebody proves otherwise, I'm going with Wojo is the CEO and he deserves blame for letting the situation get out of control AND the Hausers, particularly Joey, escalated the situation to its sad ending because he's selfish and immature.
Plenty of blame to go around. I find both scenarios totally plausible to the point where they are very likely true.
I'm gonna miss Sam. I won't miss the 10 ppg guy who disappeared for 2 months quite as much. I'm glad we have another year to watch the Big East Player of the Year. I understand why Wojo got the extension but believe he has much to prove both on the court and in recruiting for 2020 (and beyond).
I know that's not as satisfying as "Wojo sucks" or "Joey is a cancer," but that's what I've got.
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It actually sounds like you care quite a bit that people believe you guru.
No, I really don't...I just HATE when people run with something they see, and believe it to be true(because they want it to be true), and it ends up in bashing a kid that played for Marquette. I'm not an alum, but a vast majority here are...I hear all the time about how proud people are about their MU degrees etc. That's great, they should be...but then they go to bashing an 18-19 year old kid?? Is that REALLY representative of what Marquette University and their alums stand for?? They should be better than that, right??
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mmmmk...I didn't have any info on Mayo, I assumed he was just dismissed because of attitude etc. But i will say, the story I heard was nothing close to the "stealing from teammates" version that was spewed here. I am 100% confident that what i posted above is accurate...people can believe it or not, I give a rat's ass. But i'm tired of seeing people bash Joey because a story came out that they WANT to believe. People want to believe there was collusion to, except the facts said their wasn't...just like the FACTS are Joey was not the one that wanted the transfer.
You have no info on Mayo but the info you don’t have is also nothing close to what was spewed here.
Got it
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You have no info on Mayo but the info you don’t have is also nothing close to what was spewed here.
Got it
LOL So...let me see if I have this straight...YOU have inside info, that is always 100% factual(ie sexual assault, Mayo etc), yet, no one else can ever have info that's correct, right?? What you say, is the way it is, isn't that right?? No one ever knows the true story except for Chicos...got it. My god are you ever arrogant.
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LOL So...let me see if I have this straight...YOU have inside info, that is always 100% factual(ie sexual assault, Mayo etc), yet, no one else can ever have info that's correct, right?? What you say, is the way it is, isn't that right?? No one ever knows the true story except for Chicos...got it. My god are you ever arrogant.
I’m just repeating what you said. Feel free to correct it. What did I capture wrong. You don’t have any info on Mayo...your words....but the info you herd (contradicting that you didn’t have any) was nothing close to what was “spewed” here. Feel free to correct it.
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No, I really don't...I just HATE when people run with something they see, and believe it to be true(because they want it to be true), and it ends up in bashing a kid that played for Marquette.
Except you're doing the same thing. You are running with something you saw and believe to be true.
I heard multiple accounts of the story onepost shared. I certainly think that's one perception of it. I think this new story is another perception. I think there's truth in all the stories & probably exaggerations in all the stories. Because that's how stories work. Two people can watch the same thing and come away with different conclusions.
Hell. Just look at all the people that think Daniel LaRusso was the Karate Kid when Johnny was obviously the hero.
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People are going to believe what they want to believe, I guess.
You nailed it.
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Except you're doing the same thing. You are running with something you saw and believe to be true.
I heard multiple accounts of the story onepost shared. I certainly think that's one perception of it. I think this new story is another perception. I think there's truth in all the stories & probably exaggerations in all the stories. Because that's how stories work. Two people can watch the same thing and come away with different conclusions.
Hell. Just look at all the people that think Daniel LaRusso was the Karate Kid when Johnny was obviously the hero.
And that's fair..but my point is..regardless of anyone's views on the story, why does it have to result in people bashing on kids? That's where I think it crosses a line..what happened happened..but that doesn't give people the right to lambaste Joey, or Sam or Markus or whoever..people should be better than that.
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And that's fair..but my point is..regardless of anyone's views on the story, why does it have to result in people bashing on kids? That's where I think it crosses a line..what happened happened..but that doesn't give people the right to lambaste Joey, or Sam or Markus or whoever..people should be better than that.
Maybe we shouldn't lambast the coaches either. I mean, they're all legally adults, no?
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I don't bash Warriors.
Once you are Floppy McDickgrabber's teammate, you are the enemy. If I can "bash" Floppy, I can bash his teammates.
If guru and others never bash Floppy or Myles Powell or any other "kids" who play against the Warriors, I commend them.
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And that's fair..but my point is..regardless of anyone's views on the story, why does it have to result in people bashing on kids? That's where I think it crosses a line..what happened happened..but that doesn't give people the right to lambaste Joey, or Sam or Markus or whoever..people should be better than that.
Guru I've seen you go nuts on entire generations of their age group, seen you go nuts on posters here who could very well be a couple years older than them, and you've gone nuts on the coaches as well who are just as much legally adults as the two legal adults that transferred. Time to stop calling them kids.
In fact I'd argue that saying a particular young adult is soft is actually better than when you lump entire generations together (sometimes two generations into one) and call them soft, non competitive etc. how can you stand on a soap box preaching about not calling out the kids when you call out their entire generation? For literally the exact reason that people on here are calling them out?
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And that's fair..but my point is..regardless of anyone's views on the story, why does it have to result in people bashing on kids? That's where I think it crosses a line..what happened happened..but that doesn't give people the right to lambaste Joey, or Sam or Markus or whoever..people should be better than that.
I think the bashing of Joey here is in poor taste as well.
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Hell. Just look at all the people that think Daniel LaRusso was the Karate Kid when Johnny was obviously the hero.
This.
First, it was a totally illegal move. Second, Daniel was the one who initially moved in on Johnny's girl, then a couple weeks later he's in Okinawa mackin on the townies. Third, he basically sends Johnny's life into a downward spiral while he goes on to raise two of his own spoiled brats.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel somehow was indirectly responsible for Johnny's mom's death.
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This.
First, it was a totally illegal move. Second, Daniel was the one who initially moved in on Johnny's girl, then a couple weeks later he's in Okinawa mackin on the townies. Third, he basically sends Johnny's life into a downward spiral while he goes on to raise two of his own spoiled brats.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel somehow was indirectly responsible for Johnny's mom's death.
you have to watch cobra kai..great show
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you have to watch cobra kai..great show
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The Hausers are good ballplayers. They don't turn water into wine. The program existed prior to their arrival and it appears there will still be a season after they left. For whatever reason, they decided they could not co-exist with Wojo and Markus. So they left. Time to move on.
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John
I respect your work and the inferences/opinions you draw from it. I almost always find myself in agreement.
I often agree with Brother dgies takes, too - but this rant is beyond the pale, maybe the worst personal attack I've ever seen here vs a player. An MU grad who's been around as long as he has should know better.
Brother Lenny:
I often agree with you as well. And I appreciate your comments, even when we don't agree. Maybe I should know better, but to clarify, I've said this from the beginning:
1) Like Brother MU82, I agree that this is a massive management failure. Brother MU82 is right -- Wojo is CEO. He either should never have recruited Joey Hauser or should have moved to stop the problem ASAP. It is my opinion that this had a debilitating effect on us late in the season (along with exhaustion, but that is another story).
2) Management or not, the way this happened shows a lack of maturity on the part of Joey Hauser. Period. Many will argue these are 19- and 20-year-old college students, but when one accepts a scholarship (payment for service) and makes a commitment, one should live up to it. Looking just at what we can see in the videotapes, it was clear Joey Hauser had some growing to do to be a good college ballplayer. The young man had talent but he needed refinement.
3) My personal view is that Joey Hauser was an outstanding high school basketball player. While I can't speak to what happened in AAU leagues, I suspect he was a BMOC at SPASH and suddenly wasn't the BMOC at Marquette. He won't be at Michigan State, Virginia or, perhaps, Wisconsin either. We've seen high school players who were court geniuses come to Marquette and suddenly have hidden weaknesses exposed because the quality of talent in the Big East is exponentially better than anything they've seen. I went to high school years ago with two all-staters who led our school to a second-place finish in the state tournament. They went to Vanderbilt and were below-average college players. My point is that Joey Hauser, while a better-than-average freshman, had weaknesses exposed. He was no Markus and he was no Sam -- at least not last year -- either. As Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores.
I'm perhaps different than most people here in that I believe college basketball is a job. You're getting paid and Coach Wojo is your boss. I'll also agree that if I don't like my boss, I can leave and find other employment, subject to certain non-compete, non-solicitation agreements. Same for Joey. I don't begrudge him the right to leave but I do question (again, solely on what I see), the motivation for doing so.
Make no mistake about it. I'd be a lot happier if the Brothers Hauser were in the fold for next year. I thought Joey was a "huge" get last year and I still think he has enough talent that, if his attitude is good, he will be a great player.
My somewhat tongue-in-cheek criticism yesterday is predicated on two things. First is various commentaries on what happened this year and what we've heard since the transfer.
Secondly, I didn't and still don't understand Sam. The value to Sam of one more year at Marquette followed by a professional contract, as I pointed out, was huge. This was and IS the same argument my fellow Scoopers made for Henry Ellenson leaving after a year to turn pro (the present value of a professional contract in Year 1 versus Year 2 over the life of Mr. Ellenson's career). Deferring the NBA by the "sit-out" year, the Developmental League or Europe a year and losing a year of a professional life is a very expensive proposition.
I love my brothers too. But I kinda don't think their fights are my fights. More importantly, in a job, if you know you have but a year left at an assignment, you sometimes grin and bear it because it's in your best interest to do so.
Brother Lenny, I do think that the rumors among college basketball circles will work against Joey somewhat, just as rumors and opinions about any "hard to handle" professional make the rounds. I don't want to be Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank and argue, "he's dead to me." I hope Joey grows up and finds himself.
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There is 7 pages of this thread so I am sure it has been mentioned.
But the coach referenced in the story saying he woulda handled the situation the exact same was Fran.
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This.
First, it was a totally illegal move. Second, Daniel was the one who initially moved in on Johnny's girl, then a couple weeks later he's in Okinawa mackin on the townies. Third, he basically sends Johnny's life into a downward spiral while he goes on to raise two of his own spoiled brats.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel somehow was indirectly responsible for Johnny's mom's death.
All true. Except the part about Johnny's mom, which isn't provably true, but probably is.
Further, there was the unprovoked drenching of Johnny at the Halloween party that LaRusso used to lure Johnny away from the school so Daniel's adult male friend could beat up on Johnny and his adolescent companions. LaRusso was a bully that used Miyagi as his goon.
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This.
First, it was a totally illegal move. Second, Daniel was the one who initially moved in on Johnny's girl, then a couple weeks later he's in Okinawa mackin on the townies. Third, he basically sends Johnny's life into a downward spiral while he goes on to raise two of his own spoiled brats.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel somehow was indirectly responsible for Johnny's mom's death.
Wrong. Ali broke up with Johnny before Daniel even met her.
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An Alternative View :
1. Parents at times live vicariously through their kids. In the world of college sports it happens frequently and gets more intense the further up the food chain your kid is. Especially when there is national TV involved.I know from experience, and had to really focus on letting it be the kids experience and not mine.
2. Parents tend to overrate their kids strengths and underrate their kids weakness.
3. Parents often do not understand the role that different players play on a team. They still believe Billy of Suzy should play the same role they do in high school. Further to point 2 They do not understand that racking up impressive statistics needs to be taken in context .
4. Parents sometimes do not look kindly on players that they perceive to be ball hogs, no matter how efficient, or how structured the plays are. Unless of course it is their Billy or Suzy in the focal point.
5. Parents are often taken aback when their young superstars get tough internal reviews from their coaches and frequently put fuel on the fire in these situations. Part of the reason why is the tough review hurts the parents feelings because of point 1 above.
6 . Parents are often in support of when a kid brings up transferring the first time they face adversity.
7. Parents enjoy the positive feedback in the transfer process, because they are now being romanced again by the college coaches.
8. Parents love it even more when the college coaches doing the romancing are perceived to have higher status than their current coach. They love to tell their friends that their kids are being courted by Izzo, Roy and Coach K etc.
Coaches get paid the big bucks to navigate many different issues. Parent management is something not often seen in the press but it is a very big part of the equation for success.
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An Alternative View :
1. Parents at times live vicariously through their kids. In the world of college sports it happens frequently and gets more intense the further up the food chain your kid is. Especially when there is national TV involved.I know from experience, and had to really focus on letting it be the kids experience and not mine.
2. Parents tend to overrate their kids strengths and underrate their kids weakness.
3. Parents often do not understand the role that different players play on a team. They still believe Billy of Suzy should play the same role they do in high school. Further to point 2 They do not understand that racking up impressive statistics needs to be taken in context .
4. Parents sometimes do not look kindly on players that they perceive to be ball hogs, no matter how efficient, or how structured the plays are. Unless of court it is their Billy or Suzy in the focal point.
5. Parents are often taken aback when their young superstars get tough internal reviews from their coaches and frequently put fuel on the fire in these situations. Part of the reason why is the tough review hurts the parents because of point 1 above.
6 . Parents are often in support of when a kid brings up transferring the first time they face adversity.
7. Parents enjoy the positive feedback in the transfer process, because they are now being romanced again by the college coaches.
8. Parents love it even more when the college coaches doing the romancing are perceived to have higher status than their current coach. They love to tell their friends that their kids are being courted by Izzo, Roy and Coach K etc.
Coaches get paid the big bucks to navigate many different issues. Parent management is something not often seen in the press but it is a very big part of the equation for success.
I agree with this, 9-9-9.
Very possible Wojo did a poor job managing the Hauser parents' expectations, etc.
Also very possible that the Hauser parents coddled their youngest son and were taken aback by even the slightest criticism of their darling, who had always been Mr. Wonderful.
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I thought Wojo’s answers today on the Hauser was interesting. Wished them well, success, etc. said you will have to ask the Hauser why they left....he wasn’t going to be the one to say it.
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I thought Wojo’s answers today on the Hauser was interesting. Wished them well, success, etc. said you will have to ask the Hauser why they left....he wasn’t going to be the one to say it.
And I think that should be somewhat telling.
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Also very possible that the Hauser parents coddled their youngest son and were taken aback by even the slightest criticism of their darling, who had always been Mr. Wonderful.
Also very possible the Hauser parents wanted the boys to stay at MU but left the decision (as they should have) up to their sons. That's the story I've been told by several people. But why even consider that possibility - despising them and slandering them without evidence is so much more productive and way more fun.
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Also very possible the Hauser parents wanted the boys to stay at MU but left the decision (as they should have) up to their sons. That's the story I've been told by several people. But why even consider that possibility - despising them and slandering them without evidence is so much more productive and way more fun.
You and I have heard different versions, and that's OK.
And as "slander" goes, mine was about the tamest slander one can find on the interwebs.
Maybe I'm wrong -- and if so, I know you'll tell me Lenny -- but I think the main difference between you and me on this subject is that you are biased toward the Hausers while I am objective. I have absolutely no problem holding both Wojo and the Hausers accountable here. It's not "wrong" for you to be biased toward the Hausers (and against Wojo); it just is.
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You and I have heard different versions, and that's OK.
And as "slander" goes, mine was about the tamest slander one can find on the interwebs.
Maybe I'm wrong -- and if so, I know you'll tell me Lenny -- but I think the main difference between you and me on this subject is that you are biased toward the Hausers while I am objective. I have absolutely no problem holding both Wojo and the Hausers accountable here. It's not "wrong" for you to be biased toward the Hausers (and against Wojo); it just is.
You think the kids are selfish, the kids are spoiled, the parents are awful but Wojo assumes some responsibility because he's in charge is unbiased and objective?
Wait, I just remembered you don't use teal. Good one, Mike. You had me going...well done.
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You think the kids are selfish, the kids are spoiled, the parents are awful but Wojo assumes some responsibility because he's in charge is unbiased and objective?
Wait, I just remembered you don't use teal. Good one, Mike. You had me going...well done.
Brother Lenny, Brother MU is exercising his right toward fair comment and criticism. Same as I did. Maybe we're harsh, but when you're a public persona you better get used to it. It isn't slander -- it's criticism.
Wojo ultimately is the gatekeeper and the boss, so he's the responsible party. The buck for the basketball team stops with the head coach, period.
To suggest there is not contributory negligence on the part of the Brothers Hauser is not realistic. Of course, there was. Brother MU is merely pointing that out.
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You think the kids are selfish, the kids are spoiled, the parents are awful but Wojo assumes some responsibility because he's in charge is unbiased and objective?
Please find one example of me saying the Hauser parents are "awful." Very chicos-ish of you to claim I said something I didn't (though I do apologize for that ultimate insult).
And yes, I am more objective than you on this subject, even if you don't want to admit it. You seem to think the Hausers deserve 0% of the blame, or darn close to it. I don't know how that view can be deemed objective. I don't like or dislike the Hausers, and I don't like or dislike Wojo; I don't know any of them well enough to have formed an opinion like that. You like the Hausers and consider them blameless. That's OK. It's just neither objective nor realistic in my opinion ... and that's all any of this is from either of us -- opinion.
(As a fan, I now of course "hate" Sam and Joey because they are the "enemy." And I "love" Markus because he's a Warrior. That's very different than actual hate or like or love.)
I am not going to have a chicos/Lenny back and forth with you on this; I respect you too much for that. I've said my piece. Have a nice day.
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Please find one example of me saying the Hauser parents are "awful." Very chicos-ish of you to claim I said something I didn't (though I do apologize for that ultimate insult).
And yes, I am more objective than you on this subject, even if you don't want to admit it. You seem to think the Hausers deserve 0% of the blame, or darn close to it. I don't know how that view can be deemed objective. I don't like or dislike the Hausers, and I don't like or dislike Wojo; I don't know any of them well enough to have formed an opinion like that. You like the Hausers and consider them blameless. That's OK. It's just neither objective nor realistic in my opinion ... and that's all any of this is from either of us -- opinion.
(As a fan, I now of course "hate" Sam and Joey because they are the "enemy." And I "love" Markus because he's a Warrior. That's very different than actual hate or like or love.)
I am not going to have a chicos/Lenny back and forth with you on this; I respect you too much for that. I've said my piece. Have a nice day.
Yes, you have never accused anyone of saying something here they haven’t actually said. The Hitler quote is a nice touch.....but sure that isn’t political. ::)
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Yes, you have never accused anyone of saying something here they haven’t actually said. The Hitler quote is a nice touch.....but sure that isn’t political. ::)
Not deserving of rebuttal.
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Wrong. Ali broke up with Johnny before Daniel even met her.
Not exactly. They were trying to reconcile. Johnny was trying to better himself as a person, but he was under the pressure of a dick sensei and an arsehole step-father. When Daniel showed up, it was like drinking a few beers in front of a recovering alcoholic on step three.
Yet despite all this, Johnny was still the better man. Even after being defeated on an illegal move, did Johnny protest? Did he jump up and down and scream for the hills? No... not only did he congratulate Daniel, but he was the one who handed him the trophy.
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An Alternative View :
1. Parents at times live vicariously through their kids. In the world of college sports it happens frequently and gets more intense the further up the food chain your kid is. Especially when there is national TV involved.I know from experience, and had to really focus on letting it be the kids experience and not mine.
2. Parents tend to overrate their kids strengths and underrate their kids weakness.
3. Parents often do not understand the role that different players play on a team. They still believe Billy of Suzy should play the same role they do in high school. Further to point 2 They do not understand that racking up impressive statistics needs to be taken in context .
4. Parents sometimes do not look kindly on players that they perceive to be ball hogs, no matter how efficient, or how structured the plays are. Unless of course it is their Billy or Suzy in the focal point.
5. Parents are often taken aback when their young superstars get tough internal reviews from their coaches and frequently put fuel on the fire in these situations. Part of the reason why is the tough review hurts the parents feelings because of point 1 above.
6 . Parents are often in support of when a kid brings up transferring the first time they face adversity.
7. Parents enjoy the positive feedback in the transfer process, because they are now being romanced again by the college coaches.
8. Parents love it even more when the college coaches doing the romancing are perceived to have higher status than their current coach. They love to tell their friends that their kids are being courted by Izzo, Roy and Coach K etc.
Coaches get paid the big bucks to navigate many different issues. Parent management is something not often seen in the press but it is a very big part of the equation for success.
The meat summit crew ain't gonna be happy you cast blame on Mom and Dad H
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(As a fan, I now of course "hate" Sam and Joey because they are the "enemy." And I "love" Markus because he's a Warrior. That's very different than actual hate or like or love.)
I get that you think they might go to UW, but I'll admit even the hyperbole "hate" feels like a bit much being as repeated as it has been. I am confident all sides bear some of the blame, but these are still at this moment Marquette students who could go in multiple directions. Personally, I think it's better to let them make that decision before we direct any vitriolic feelings in their direction.
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Not deserving of rebuttal.
Because you cannot rebut it. He was a political leader and you are trying to make an absurd connection / correlation. I was recently warned, I’m not sure how your signature doesn’t violate the standard.
And yes, you have accused people of saying things they didn’t say.
Two for two....you can’t rebut it not should you try.
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Had high regard for Joey--Now I know he's a PUNK
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Brother Lenny:
I often agree with you as well. And I appreciate your comments, even when we don't agree. Maybe I should know better, but to clarify, I've said this from the beginning:
1) Like Brother MU82, I agree that this is a massive management failure. Brother MU82 is right -- Wojo is CEO. He either should never have recruited Joey Hauser or should have moved to stop the problem ASAP. It is my opinion that this had a debilitating effect on us late in the season (along with exhaustion, but that is another story).
2) Management or not, the way this happened shows a lack of maturity on the part of Joey Hauser. Period. Many will argue these are 19- and 20-year-old college students, but when one accepts a scholarship (payment for service) and makes a commitment, one should live up to it. Looking just at what we can see in the videotapes, it was clear Joey Hauser had some growing to do to be a good college ballplayer. The young man had talent but he needed refinement.
3) My personal view is that Joey Hauser was an outstanding high school basketball player. While I can't speak to what happened in AAU leagues, I suspect he was a BMOC at SPASH and suddenly wasn't the BMOC at Marquette. He won't be at Michigan State, Virginia or, perhaps, Wisconsin either. We've seen high school players who were court geniuses come to Marquette and suddenly have hidden weaknesses exposed because the quality of talent in the Big East is exponentially better than anything they've seen. I went to high school years ago with two all-staters who led our school to a second-place finish in the state tournament. They went to Vanderbilt and were below-average college players. My point is that Joey Hauser, while a better-than-average freshman, had weaknesses exposed. He was no Markus and he was no Sam -- at least not last year -- either. As Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores.
I'm perhaps different than most people here in that I believe college basketball is a job. You're getting paid and Coach Wojo is your boss. I'll also agree that if I don't like my boss, I can leave and find other employment, subject to certain non-compete, non-solicitation agreements. Same for Joey. I don't begrudge him the right to leave but I do question (again, solely on what I see), the motivation for doing so.
Make no mistake about it. I'd be a lot happier if the Brothers Hauser were in the fold for next year. I thought Joey was a "huge" get last year and I still think he has enough talent that, if his attitude is good, he will be a great player.
My somewhat tongue-in-cheek criticism yesterday is predicated on two things. First is various commentaries on what happened this year and what we've heard since the transfer.
Secondly, I didn't and still don't understand Sam. The value to Sam of one more year at Marquette followed by a professional contract, as I pointed out, was huge. This was and IS the same argument my fellow Scoopers made for Henry Ellenson leaving after a year to turn pro (the present value of a professional contract in Year 1 versus Year 2 over the life of Mr. Ellenson's career). Deferring the NBA by the "sit-out" year, the Developmental League or Europe a year and losing a year of a professional life is a very expensive proposition.
I love my brothers too. But I kinda don't think their fights are my fights. More importantly, in a job, if you know you have but a year left at an assignment, you sometimes grin and bear it because it's in your best interest to do so.
Brother Lenny, I do think that the rumors among college basketball circles will work against Joey somewhat, just as rumors and opinions about any "hard to handle" professional make the rounds. I don't want to be Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank and argue, "he's dead to me." I hope Joey grows up and finds himself.
Brother dgies,
I think this is an outstanding post that contains a lot of good insights. I also appreciate its tone. Thanks.
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Because you cannot rebut it. He was a political leader and you are trying to make an absurd connection / correlation. I was recently warned, I’m not sure how your signature doesn’t violate the standard.
And yes, you have accused people of saying things they didn’t say.
Two for two....you can’t rebut it not should you try.
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Please find one example of me saying the Hauser parents are "awful." Very chicos-ish of you to claim I said something I didn't (though I do apologize for that ultimate insult).
And yes, I am more objective than you on this subject, even if you don't want to admit it. You seem to think the Hausers deserve 0% of the blame, or darn close to it. I don't know how that view can be deemed objective. I don't like or dislike the Hausers, and I don't like or dislike Wojo; I don't know any of them well enough to have formed an opinion like that. You like the Hausers and consider them blameless. That's OK. It's just neither objective nor realistic in my opinion ... and that's all any of this is from either of us -- opinion.
(As a fan, I now of course "hate" Sam and Joey because they are the "enemy." And I "love" Markus because he's a Warrior. That's very different than actual hate or like or love.)
I am not going to have a chicos/Lenny back and forth with you on this; I respect you too much for that. I've said my piece. Have a nice day.
Mike,
Not to put too fine a point on this, but I don't "blame" anyone for this.
Wojo is the head coach. He has a superstar. He believes that riding that superstar extremely hard (43% usage) is the most effective way to win games. As the head coach he has every right to have the team play to that philosophy - it's his head on the line when we win or lose.
The Hausers are only players - it's their job to play the game as their coach sees fit. I think we can agree that they played to the game plan even if, for example, Joey turned it over more than we liked. But they evidently decided that the style Wojo wanted them to play was either no fun or lessened the team's chances (or both).
The solutions were a) Wojo capitulate (something that never should happen), b) the Hausers shut up and play without regard for their present or future happiness (something nobody has a right to expect) or c) transfer - something that at least has the possibility of ultimately making everyone happier.
The parents are (like friends, girlfriends and others) extraneous to the discussion. They may have opinions (who doesn't?) but they're not driving the bus.
My bias, to the extent there is one, is that I think Marquette is a better basketball team with a little less Markus and a little more teamwork. That doesn't mean I don't love Markus as a person or a player or that I think a coach should let the players run things. In the end, I guess everyone did what they had to do - so I don't blame anyone.
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Mike,
Not to put too fine a point on this, but I don't "blame" anyone for this.
Wojo is the head coach. He has a superstar. He believes that riding that superstar extremely hard (43% usage) is the most effective way to win games. As the head coach he has every right to have the team play to that philosophy - it's his head on the line when we win or lose.
The Hausers are only players - it's their job to play the game as their coach sees fit. I think we can agree that they played to the game plan even if, for example, Joey turned it over more than we liked. But they evidently decided that the style Wojo wanted them to play was either no fun or lessened the team's chances (or both).
The solutions were a) Wojo capitulate (something that never should happen), b) the Hausers shut up and play without regard for their present or future happiness (something nobody has a right to expect) or c) transfer - something that at least has the possibility of ultimately making everyone happier.
The parents are (like friends, girlfriends and others) extraneous to the discussion. They may have opinions (who doesn't?) but they're not driving the bus.
My bias, to the extent there is one, is that I think Marquette is a better basketball team with a little less Markus and a little more teamwork. That doesn't mean I don't love Markus as a person or a player or that I think a coach should let the players run things. In the end, I guess everyone did what they had to do - so I don't blame anyone.
Agree in theory, however, when i was coaching and granted they were not college aged kids but 95% of the negative crap i heard from players i absolutely guarantee was intially said by the parents. College age its much lower im sure but dont diminish its impact
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Mike,
Not to put too fine a point on this, but I don't "blame" anyone for this.
Wojo is the head coach. He has a superstar. He believes that riding that superstar extremely hard (43% usage) is the most effective way to win games. As the head coach he has every right to have the team play to that philosophy - it's his head on the line when we win or lose.
The Hausers are only players - it's their job to play the game as their coach sees fit. I think we can agree that they played to the game plan even if, for example, Joey turned it over more than we liked. But they evidently decided that the style Wojo wanted them to play was either no fun or lessened the team's chances (or both).
The solutions were a) Wojo capitulate (something that never should happen), b) the Hausers shut up and play without regard for their present or future happiness (something nobody has a right to expect) or c) transfer - something that at least has the possibility of ultimately making everyone happier.
The parents are (like friends, girlfriends and others) extraneous to the discussion. They may have opinions (who doesn't?) but they're not driving the bus.
My bias, to the extent there is one, is that I think Marquette is a better basketball team with a little less Markus and a little more teamwork. That doesn't mean I don't love Markus as a person or a player or that I think a coach should let the players run things. In the end, I guess everyone did what they had to do - so I don't blame anyone.
I appreciate this post, Lenny, and I understand your point.
Have a good one.
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Mike,
Not to put too fine a point on this, but I don't "blame" anyone for this.
Wojo is the head coach. He has a superstar. He believes that riding that superstar extremely hard (43% usage) is the most effective way to win games. As the head coach he has every right to have the team play to that philosophy - it's his head on the line when we win or lose.
The Hausers are only players - it's their job to play the game as their coach sees fit. I think we can agree that they played to the game plan even if, for example, Joey turned it over more than we liked. But they evidently decided that the style Wojo wanted them to play was either no fun or lessened the team's chances (or both).
The solutions were a) Wojo capitulate (something that never should happen), b) the Hausers shut up and play without regard for their present or future happiness (something nobody has a right to expect) or c) transfer - something that at least has the possibility of ultimately making everyone happier.
The parents are (like friends, girlfriends and others) extraneous to the discussion. They may have opinions (who doesn't?) but they're not driving the bus.
My bias, to the extent there is one, is that I think Marquette is a better basketball team with a little less Markus and a little more teamwork. That doesn't mean I don't love Markus as a person or a player or that I think a coach should let the players run things. In the end, I guess everyone did what they had to do - so I don't blame anyone.
I think this is one of your better Posts.
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Recruiting brothers has proven to be a bad strategy. Sam would have been a four year stand out if his younger brother hadn't spoiled the party.
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Sh*t happens. Enjoyed watching them play. Next man up!
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Sh*t happens. Enjoyed watching them play. Next man up!
Joey sucked
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Joey sucked
Just stop. He did not suck by a long stretch.
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Just stop. He did not suck by a long stretch.
He did not suck, but in the long run he was more than a negative for MU than a positive. If he would have just gone to UVa or wherever, our chemistry would have been better last season and Sam would be returning for his senior year. Instead, we had a promising frosh who pouted when he didn't get the ball enough, and ultimately convinced his (previously happy) brother to leave with him.
Now it's time to move on. We got this.
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Joey didn't suck. But he gowne.
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Joey sucked
If you're using the word "sucked" in the same way many here post "ND sucks," then I'd have to agree. He's now the enemy and deserves nothing but our contempt. Joey sucked, Joey sucks, whatever.
But from a purely objective standpoint, there's no way that a 5-time Big East Freshman of the Week "sucked." If that's the case, then every single freshman in the conference sucked.
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Crean sucks
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If you're using the word "sucked" in the same way many here post "ND sucks," then I'd have to agree. He's now the enemy and deserves nothing but our contempt. Joey sucked, Joey sucks, whatever.
But from a purely objective standpoint, there's no way that a 5-time Big East Freshman of the Week "sucked." If that's the case, then every single freshman in the conference sucked.
He wrote on numerous occasions that Fischer and Sacar sucked, even as active, contributing players.
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Crean sucks
+1, ugly jumper
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He wrote on numerous occasions that Fischer and Sacar sucked, even as active, contributing players.
Oh, I'm well aware.
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He did not suck, but in the long run he was more than a negative for MU than a positive. If he would have just gone to UVa or wherever, our chemistry would have been better last season and Sam would be returning for his senior year. Instead, we had a promising frosh who pouted when he didn't get the ball enough, and ultimately convinced his (previously happy) brother to leave with him.
Now it's time to move on. We got this.
Second half of the season he flat out stunk. Was a no defense playing turnover machine. Wojo knew something was up, as his play relative to that of Cain and Bailey in no way shape or form warranted the minutes that he received!! His FT bricks down tge stretch cost us a few games too
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ND sucks
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Sand-knit sucks
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Sand-knit sucks
Nickel Dimer’s mom swallows
This is fun
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Just one of the best lines from a movie.
In any case... in before the lock.
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Nickel Dimer’s mom swallows
This is fun
Not really. Why not try the high road for the hell of it?
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Not really. Why not try the high road for the hell of it?
It is the off season. People are just releasing their frustration in the more forgiving environment of . Scoop. One has to go to the Dodds board for courteous behavior.
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Nickel Dimer’s mom swallows
This is fun
You can do better than that (I’d hope)
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We really need to institute the up-vote / down-vote feature many message boards have so we can crucify the troll.s
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We really need to institute the up-vote / down-vote feature many message boards have so we can crucify the troll.s
+1 Hear hear, how do we make this happen?
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You can do better than that (I’d hope)
Than your mom? Duh of course
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We really need to institute the up-vote / down-vote feature many message boards have so we can crucify the troll.s
I up-vote that idea!
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Than your mom? Duh of course
I was wrong, you can’t. Self inflicted lashings stat. At least 10.
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We really need to institute the up-vote / down-vote feature many message boards have so we can crucify the troll.s
That's feeding, not crucifying. They want negative feedback - it is why they troll.
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