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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Matt Heldt The Milk Man on April 26, 2019, 10:22:15 AM
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yee
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If we get a good run in the tourney, and get to a sweet sixteen, will he stay loyal to MU, or take the first attractive offer that may come in? Who knows? But first let’s see a MU do well next year. Tall order.
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He will take the first decent Job available without question.
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I am coming to accept that the administration's goals for the program are not the same as mine. 1% chance he leaves involuntarily.
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Given what we have today, post Brothers Hauser, Wojo's future is dependent on there things:
1) How well we recruit for the incoming 2020-2021 class;
2) Whether we make the NCAA; and,
3) How deep we go.
It's hard to handicap each of these factors but if we're a dud on (1), we'll know by late September and the coaching seats will be at 1000 Kelvin. If anything, this is probably the key because if we don't recruit well, the reload isn't going to happen and with Markus gone, we'll be back to three or four years ago.
If we make the NCAA and lay an egg as we did this past year and (1) is sub-par, I doubt he will be around much past April 1st. If we make the NIT, we better have a class of Burger Boys, or else!
On the other hand, if our recruiting class is deep and we got to the Sweet 16 or deeper, Wojo's a lifer!
This question should be re-asked about October 15th.
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He will take the first decent Job available without question.
he already has a more than decent job.
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he already has a more than decent job.
Consider the source. MUFINY wants Wojo out, and he's made no secret of it.
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He will take the first decent Job available without question.
Based on how much he was looking this offseason, I think this is probably accurate.
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Based on how much he was looking this offseason, I think this is probably accurate.
was it him looking or people looking at him?
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was it him looking or people looking at him?
I think he is being sarcastic.
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Based on how much he was looking this offseason, I think this is probably accurate.
While others were interested in him, I don't think the interest was mutual.
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While others were interested in him, I don't think the interest was mutual.
Right, and if he had a foot out the door, he probably just bolts.
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Consider the source. MUFINY wants Wojo out, and he's made no secret of it.
But he walks along with recruits on their official visits, so I don't know why he wouldn't be sitting next to Wojo in his office when Wojo is on LinkedIn searching for Virginia Tech basketball coaching jobs as well.
I trust the source.
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he already has a more than decent job.
This is very true. But Wojo needs to reset his coaching clock.
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I said well before the Hausers transfer that next year will be Wojo’s last because I don’t believe in him as a head coach. Guess that means I’m rooting for him to fail!
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Given what we have today, post Brothers Hauser, Wojo's future is dependent on there things:
1) How well we recruit for the incoming 2020-2021 class;
2) Whether we make the NCAA; and,
3) How deep we go.
It's hard to handicap each of these factors but if we're a dud on (1), we'll know by late September and the coaching seats will be at 1000 Kelvin. If anything, this is probably the key because if we don't recruit well, the reload isn't going to happen and with Markus gone, we'll be back to three or four years ago.
If we make the NCAA and lay an egg as we did this past year and (1) is sub-par, I doubt he will be around much past April 1st. If we make the NIT, we better have a class of Burger Boys, or else!
On the other hand, if our recruiting class is deep and we got to the Sweet 16 or deeper, Wojo's a lifer!
This question should be re-asked about October 15th.
Well said
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I voted no, but still curious on some reasoned thoughts that others might have.
When would be the "best" time for a coaching transition? Would we be better off to have a transition, say, a year after a big recruiting class as opposed to a year where we don't have many big recruits coming in? When our top players are younger, or older?
I'm curious because our recruiting class for this year is fine, but next year is looking to be potentially special (for the sake of this argument let's just say it's a special group). Perhaps we would be better off getting those kids into the system for a year and maybe they'd be more apt to stick around? If we transitioned prior to them arriving on campus they would almost certainly open their recruiting back up, I'd think, but maybe that isn't something we should concern ourselves with.
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was it him looking or people looking at him?
People looked at him pre Hausergate. Now post the event he faces an uncertain recruiting environment .
MU is going to be very good next year . His stock will be up , so if 2020 recruiting is a dudd, I expect he would pull a Buzz and leave for the first available big money job.
College coaching is a bit like the NBA where the second contract is what your looking for. Wojo could be in a position to get a 6 year deal worth good money next year. If Wojo stays too long his second contract could be down a level to something like A-10. It is a dollars and cents thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Buzz is providing consultative services to Wojo on this matter, as he has been nothing short of brilliant in his own movements .
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Anything is possible, but I do believe that Wojo will be here until he is either fired or a clearly better job comes open. Maybe I'm misremembering but my impression of the K coaching tree is that once they get to a high major job, they don't jump to other high major jobs. Off the top of my head the only one who has been a head coach at multiple high majors is Jeff Capel, and he was fired from his first high major job due to NCAA investigations. I get the feeling that waiting for the right job and patiently building a program is something that K drills into his assistants. Just my two cents.
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Marquette or Duke. Those are the two options. Powers that be are still in his corner. It does not matter what is being howled about on scoop.
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Marquette or Duke. Those are the two options. Powers that be are still in his corner. It does not matter what is being howled about on scoop.
I'll take the field if the bet is for 3 years.
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Given what we have today, post Brothers Hauser, Wojo's future is dependent on there things:
1) How well we recruit for the incoming 2020-2021 class;
2) Whether we make the NCAA; and,
3) How deep we go.
It's hard to handicap each of these factors but if we're a dud on (1), we'll know by late September and the coaching seats will be at 1000 Kelvin. If anything, this is probably the key because if we don't recruit well, the reload isn't going to happen and with Markus gone, we'll be back to three or four years ago.
If we make the NCAA and lay an egg as we did this past year and (1) is sub-par, I doubt he will be around much past April 1st. If we make the NIT, we better have a class of Burger Boys, or else!
On the other hand, if our recruiting class is deep and we got to the Sweet 16 or deeper, Wojo's a lifer!
This question should be re-asked about October 15th.
Goin' deep is da only way ta go, aina?
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It does not matter what is being howled about on scoop.
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It's coming, wait for it.....
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I said well before the Hausers transfer that next year will be Wojo’s last because I don’t believe in him as a head coach. Guess that means I’m rooting for him to fail!
Wow.
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Why in the world would he leave? We had a great year with a somewhat overrated team. Yes, the team struggled at the end of the season, but that happens. Yes, two members of the team are transferring, but that happens. That this is all on the coach is naïve. We Have an outstanding coach who has assembled a group of fine talented student athletes. My vote is a SUPPORTIVE NO.
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I voted no.
I am not in favor of firing Wojo. I have more faith in Wojo then I do in MU actually hiring a better alternative. I am 99% sure that MU would just hire another unproven assistant.
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Marquette or Duke. Those are the two options. Powers that be are still in his corner. It does not matter what is being howled about on scoop.
When Duke finally needs a new HC, it would seem that Bobby Hurley is well above Wojo if they go with the Coach K tree route.
And I'm under the impression that the powers that be at MU don't really care too much about the team's won-loss record as long as the HC doesn't commit Buzz-like offenses...whatever they actually were. Most important: Don't cheat and recruit good boys who go to school like real students, and then mediocre basketball results are acceptable.
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When Duke finally needs a new HC, it would seem that Bobby Hurley is well above Wojo if they go with the Coach K tree route.
And I'm under the impression that the powers that be at MU don't really care too much about the team's won-loss record as long as the HC doesn't commit Buzz-like offenses...whatever they actually were. Most important: Don't cheat and recruit good boys who go to school like real students, and then mediocre basketball results are acceptable.
Lets say this is true, then why was there such a big deal made about wojos future outlook presentation during the interview? They care, but another scandal would actually crush our program. Surprisingly there's room for both, Villanova's done it, Gonzaga's done it. Heck as much as I hate them even Notre Dame has had some darn good years doing it under Brey
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I said well before the Hausers transfer that next year will be Wojo’s last because I don’t believe in him as a head coach. Guess that means I’m rooting for him to fail!
Yep, that the way I see it. If you want him gone, then each loss bring him closer to that firing line, conversely each win pulls him further away from that firing line. So it seem for you the way to go is to root for Losses more than wins.
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I voted no.
I am not in favor of firing Wojo. I have more faith in Wojo then I do in MU actually hiring a better alternative. I am 99% sure that MU would just hire another unproven assistant.
Funny how Butler and Xavier had been able to have continued success largely on a strategy of hiring their own assistants, largely unproven:
Four of Xavier's last five coaches were former Xavier assistants--three promoted directly from assistant to head coach:
Travis Steele: Promoted from Assistant
Chris Mack: Promoted from Assistant
Sean Miller: Promoted from Assistant
Thad Matta: Hired from Butler
Skip Prosser: Former assistant hired from Loyola of MD
You have to go back to Pete Gillen hired by Xavier in 1985 to find a coach that had not been a previous Xavier assistant.
Similar track record of hiring former coaches
Lavalle Jordan - Former assistant, hired from UWM
Chris Holtmann: Promoted from assistant
Brandon Miller: Former assistant hired after 5 years as assistant at Ohio State and Illinois
Brad Stevens: Promoted from assistant
Todd Lickliter: Assistant promoted to HC
Thad Matta: Assistant promoted to HC
You have to go back to Barry Collier hired in 1989 to find the last time Butler went outside their own assistant ranks. And you could argue that it was a lower risk prospect in the MCC and A10, but both programs continue to promote from within even after joining the Big East.
Interesting that many of the Butler and Xavier coaches are alums of the programs as well. A few exceptions but the Xavier and Butler coaching ranks are filled with former Butler & Xavier players.
Compare to MU: over that same timeframe, MU hired Dukiet, O'Neill, Deane, Crean, Buzz, and Wojo--yet only one promotion from a current assistant and no former players.
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Wojo needs a top 10 recruiting class and to exceed expectations during the season (S16 or top-15 finish). If not he should see the door, he’s going nowhere.
But I doubt either of those things will happen, which means my interest in MUBB will probably wane pretty heavily for 2020-2021.
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Wojo needs a top 10 recruiting class and to exceed expectations during the season (S16 or top-15 finish). If not he should see the door, he’s going nowhere.
But I doubt either of those things will happen, which means my interest in MUBB will probably wane pretty heavily for 2020-2021.
What a random set of goals. Didn’t you just grab them out of thin air?
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Yep, that the way I see it. If you want him gone, then each loss bring him closer to that firing line, conversely each win pulls him further away from that firing line. So it seem for you the way to go is to root for Losses more than wins.
Lol
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Funny how Butler and Xavier had been able to have continued success largely on a strategy of hiring their own assistants, largely unproven:
Four of Xavier's last five coaches were former Xavier assistants--three promoted directly from assistant to head coach:
Travis Steele: Promoted from Assistant
Chris Mack: Promoted from Assistant
Sean Miller: Promoted from Assistant
Thad Matta: Hired from Butler
Skip Prosser: Former assistant hired from Loyola of MD
You have to go back to Pete Gillen hired by Xavier in 1985 to find a coach that had not been a previous Xavier assistant.
Similar track record of hiring former coaches
Lavalle Jordan - Former assistant, hired from UWM
Chris Holtmann: Promoted from assistant
Brandon Miller: Former assistant hired after 5 years as assistant at Ohio State and Illinois
Brad Stevens: Promoted from assistant
Todd Lickliter: Assistant promoted to HC
Thad Matta: Assistant promoted to HC
You have to go back to Barry Collier hired in 1989 to find the last time Butler went outside their own assistant ranks. And you could argue that it was a lower risk prospect in the MCC and A10, but both programs continue to promote from within even after joining the Big East.
Interesting that many of the Butler and Xavier coaches are alums of the programs as well. A few exceptions but the Xavier and Butler coaching ranks are filled with former Butler & Xavier players.
Compare to MU: over that same timeframe, MU hired Dukiet, O'Neill, Deane, Crean, Buzz, and Wojo--yet only one promotion from a current assistant and no former players.
Marquette alum with D1 coaching experience.....
Harris
Diener
Wardle
Are we counting Merritt?
A question to ponder is why so few MU alum went into coaching.
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Marquette alum with D1 coaching experience.....
Harris
Diener
Wardle
Are we counting Merritt?
A question to ponder is why so few MU alum went into coaching.
They went into coaching, but at the NBA level.
Doc Rivers
Lawrence Frank
Jim Boylan
Of course Majerus in college.
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he already has a more than decent job.
Very true!
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Marquette alum with D1 coaching experience.....
Harris
Diener
Wardle
Are we counting Merritt?
A question to ponder is why so few MU alum went into coaching.
I don’t count Travis because he wasn’t a countable coach.
Mike Bargan (asst at Bradley, former JUCO HC)
Brian Barone (now HC at SIU-Edwardsville)
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With Doc, Boylan, and Lawrence Frank off the table, whom is considered the best of the rest? Wardle?
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Wow, the Hausers leaving sure revealed an interesting fan base. Why didn't the MU admin say "Abracadabra" a long time ago and get me the perfect coach? Man am I pissed.
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Sam Worthen
Oliver Lee
Ric Cobb
Bo Ellis
Bob Wolf
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No, he might get this team to the Final Four...
How's that for optimism.
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Anything is possible, but I do believe that Wojo will be here until he is either fired or a clearly better job comes open. Maybe I'm misremembering but my impression of the K coaching tree is that once they get to a high major job, they don't jump to other high major jobs. Off the top of my head the only one who has been a head coach at multiple high majors is Jeff Capel, and he was fired from his first high major job due to NCAA investigations. I get the feeling that waiting for the right job and patiently building a program is something that K drills into his assistants. Just my two cents.
Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker, and Quin Snyder to a degree (if you include the pros as a “high major” type job.)
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Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker, and Quin Snyder to a degree (if you include the pros as a “high major” type job.)
Snyder was fired at Missouri because of violations. He went to go coach in Russia before working his way up the NBA ranks.
Dawkins was fired at Stanford.
Amacher leaving Hall for Michigan is really the only example.
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Snyder was fired at Missouri because of violations. He went to go coach in Russia before working his way up the NBA ranks.
Dawkins was fired at Stanford.
Amacher leaving Hall for Michigan is really the only example.
Mike Brey
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Mike Brey
He didn’t go from high major to high major. He went from Delaware to Notre Dame.
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Snyder was fired at Missouri because of violations. He went to go coach in Russia before working his way up the NBA ranks.
Dawkins was fired at Stanford.
Amacher leaving Hall for Michigan is really the only example.
Yes—and then went on to coach another high major.
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Wow.
Pick your chin off the floor. Sarcasm ( the rooting for him to fail part). The part about next season being his last I truly believe
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Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker, and Quin Snyder to a degree (if you include the pros as a “high major” type job.)
Ah, I missed Amaker. No I don't count Dawkins and Snyder. I think Amaker is the only example of a member of the Coach K coaching tree moving directly from one high major job to another and Capel is the only other one that has had two high major coaching jobs.
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Ah, I missed Amaker. No I don't count Dawkins and Snyder. I think Amaker is the only example of a member of the Coach K coaching tree moving directly from one high major job to another and Capel is the only other one that has had two high major coaching jobs.
Kind of hard to really draw broad conclusions from this group IMO.
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No, he might get this team to the Final Four...
How's that for optimism.
It's not optimism it is wishful clueless thinking.
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He will take the first decent Job available without question.
He will take the first decent Old Testament character?
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As great as coach K is, his coaching tree is but a sapling.
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Snyder was fired at Missouri because of violations. He went to go coach in Russia before working his way up the NBA ranks.
Dawkins was fired at Stanford.
Amacher leaving Hall for Michigan is really the only example.
Amaker was fired at Michigan.
Snyder had other demons following him at Mizzou. He will never get the Duke job.
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Isn't maybe (at this point) the only correct answer?
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ND sucks
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ND sucks
We got this.
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ND sucks
As a Buck’s fan I’m assuming you posting this in multiple threads today is venom towards Connaughton. Warranted.
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ND sucks
Bigly F the stupidity on most threads