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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dgies9156 on April 22, 2019, 02:51:22 PM
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Let's start by assuming that the roster we have now largely is the roster we start the season with in early November. What do we hard-core Marquette fans expect from the 2019-2020 Warriors.
With apologies to Bama and other quant geeks, this is a qualitative assessment of what we can reasonably expect come November 1. So here goes with mine:
Team -- Assuming 28 games next year, we'll go 18-10 to 20-8 depending on the final make-up of our pre-conference schedule. At 19-9, we may be a bubble team depending on who we lose/win against. At 20-8 or better we're clearly in the NCAA (Had we not lost the Brothers Hauser, I would have expected 23-5). At worse than 19-9, we're part of the Not Invited Tournament!
Guards -- Huge strength next year, unchanged from expectation. If Symar Torrance (sp) reclassifies, the strength of our team. Expect a three guard line-up with Sacar starting but seeing lots and lots of Greg Elliott. Sacar needs to find consistency in his shot. If he does, he'll be deadly. Not sure what to make yet of Kobe's shooting ability but if can drive the basket effectively and, either score or kick out, we'll be in great shape.
Center -- Unchanged from a year ago. Assuming Theo and Ed can control their fouls and Theo discovers offense, this could be a HUGE benefit and replace some of the lost scoring due to the Brother Hauser leaving. To do better than 20-8 requires a significant offensive contribution from Theo (meaning about 8 to 10 points a game).
Forward(s) -- Brendan Bailey needs to step up and find his shot. Assuming he does, the transition from one Brothers Hauser to Bailey would be seamless. I sometimes think Bailey might have beaten out the Baby Hauser anyway, even if the Baby Hauser had stayed. Interesting key here is whether Jamal Cain is so discouraged from this year that he cannot contribute as a power forward. That's the one concern I have, particularly when we start looking for depth. Also will be interesting to see if Ike Eke comes back and, if so, what he can add to the team.
Depth -- Based on what's coming back, this is the weak spot of the team. Hopefully, this is where a grad transfer or a late signing makes a difference.
Coaching -- Wojo's seat is hotter than hell. And it will get hotter yet if either the September recruiting period is a bust or if we get off to a slow start. If we get a Gavitt Game, we better win it. And, we damn well better beat Wisconsin. The question with coaching is that if our situation really is the dumpster fire it seems to be, how long with Stan stick around? The key issue is whether Wojo can pull in the wagons with this team and rally them in an "us versus the world" attitude. It's also important to communicate to Markus that his legacy must be more than a big-time scorer. That's what distinguishes a good Golden Eagle from a Warrior!
We shall see.
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Im looking for 20 wins regular season. Hopefully they can snag a couple in the BE tournament or NCAA. If we go to the NIT I want Wojo out. I can live with another first round exit in the NCAA if it happens considering we lost two starters.
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20 wins will be a stretch. Bailey does not replace Sam and or Joey. We lost 2 guys who could rebound, were 6'8" plus, could shoot 40% from three land, and about 90% FT's. Those types are few and far between. We will be hurting next year. Wojo's ass better be picking up some big time talent, and I hope he does, but not too confident that he will.
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20 wins will be a stretch. Bailey does not replace Sam and or Joey. We lost 2 guys who could rebound, were 6'8" plus, could shoot 40% from three land, and about 90% FT's. Those types are few and far between. We will be hurting next year. Wojo's ass better be picking up some big time talent, and I hope he does, but not too confident that he will.
90% from Joey? He was a brick layer second half of tge season n his percentage dropped hard. Stop trying to make Joey something he was not, he shot a good percentage from 3, everything else he was rather bad at.
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Losing the Hausers obviously helps defensively and apparently will help with team chemistry. We'll be able to play in transition again, which is something that completely disappeared with our plodding lineup last year. I wasn't buying into the preseason top 10 stuff because of how broken the team looked at the end of the year. I expect we'll ranked in the 15-25 range most of the year. We'll challenge for the Big East title. We'll have disappointing showings in the conference tourney and the big dance, then have another torturously long offseason.
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Losing the Hausers obviously helps defensively and apparently will help with team chemistry. We'll be able to play in transition again, which is something that completely disappeared with our plodding lineup last year. I wasn't buying into the preseason top 10 stuff because of how broken the team looked at the end of the year. I expect we'll ranked in the 15-25 range most of the year. We'll challenge for the Big East title. We'll have disappointing showings in the conference tourney and the big dance, then have another torturously long offseason.
I have only read bits and pieces of all the Hauser threads, but what is the take that team chemistry will improve all about? We're the Hausers really bad teammates / not liked by the rest of the guys? That just seems so hard to believe based on their personalities and demeanor.
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I have only read bits and pieces of all the Hauser threads, but what is the take that team chemistry will improve all about? We're the Hausers really bad teammates / not liked by the rest of the guys? That just seems so hard to believe based on their personalities and demeanor.
Whatever it was reached a boiling point and they left. My assumption is that team chemistry will improve by default. If it is the same or gets worse, then this team will have a losing record and we'll be looking for a new coach.
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I have only read bits and pieces of all the Hauser threads, but what is the take that team chemistry will improve all about? We're the Hausers really bad teammates / not liked by the rest of the guys? That just seems so hard to believe based on their personalities and demeanor.
You think team chemistry would have been better if we kept two players that didn't want to be at MU in the starting lineup? Do you think they became miserable at the exact instant they declared to transfer, or perhaps maybe it started before that...?
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Honestly, I don't think expectations (in terms of what the team needs to deliver) change from what they were prior to the Hauser exodus. The likelihood of achieving those expectations certainly goes way down but the expectations don't change.
Most likely occurrence for me is a middle of the pack Big East finish and us being on the right side of #TeamBubbleWatch once again. I think the defense ends up being a top 30 KenPom D and the offense ends up somewhere around Top 50 IF Markus stays healthy all season.
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You think team chemistry would have been better if we kept two players that didn't want to be at MU in the starting lineup? Do you think they became miserable at the exact instant they declared to transfer, or perhaps maybe it started before that...?
I don't have the answers.
But I watched every single second of Marquette basketball this past season, and every second of every game Sam Hauser has ever played in an MU uniform, and it is very hard for me to pin him as a selfish player or a locker room problem. But maybe he was a completely different guy behind closed doors. I obviously am not around these guys personally so I have limited knowledge of how team chemistry was beyond what I can see watching games on TV and a handful in person.
I could see Joey being a bit frustrated, but he was freshman that frankly should have had a shorter leash than he did, so hard to understand why he would be too upset.
Just mainly curious if there has been some sort of consensus established as to what the problem was. I have not religiously followed this board since the news broke a week ago.
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90% from Joey? He was a brick layer second half of tge season n his percentage dropped hard. Stop trying to make Joey something he was not, he shot a good percentage from 3, everything else he was rather bad at.
He was a freshman..
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I will guarantee you that we’ll not play in only 28 games. What a bonkers way to start off a post.
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Let's start by assuming that the roster we have now largely is the roster we start the season with in early November. What do we hard-core Marquette fans expect from the 2019-2020 Warriors.
With apologies to Bama and other quant geeks, this is a qualitative assessment of what we can reasonably expect come November 1. So here goes with mine:
Team -- Assuming 28 games next year, we'll go 18-10 to 20-8 depending on the final make-up of our pre-conference schedule. At 19-9, we may be a bubble team depending on who we lose/win against. At 20-8 or better we're clearly in the NCAA (Had we not lost the Brothers Hauser, I would have expected 23-5). At worse than 19-9, we're part of the Not Invited Tournament!
Guards -- Huge strength next year, unchanged from expectation. If Symar Torrance (sp) reclassifies, the strength of our team. Expect a three guard line-up with Sacar starting but seeing lots and lots of Greg Elliott. Sacar needs to find consistency in his shot. If he does, he'll be deadly. Not sure what to make yet of Kobe's shooting ability but if can drive the basket effectively and, either score or kick out, we'll be in great shape.
Center -- Unchanged from a year ago. Assuming Theo and Ed can control their fouls and Theo discovers offense, this could be a HUGE benefit and replace some of the lost scoring due to the Brother Hauser leaving. To do better than 20-8 requires a significant offensive contribution from Theo (meaning about 8 to 10 points a game).
Forward(s) -- Brendan Bailey needs to step up and find his shot. Assuming he does, the transition from one Brothers Hauser to Bailey would be seamless. I sometimes think Bailey might have beaten out the Baby Hauser anyway, even if the Baby Hauser had stayed. Interesting key here is whether Jamal Cain is so discouraged from this year that he cannot contribute as a power forward. That's the one concern I have, particularly when we start looking for depth. Also will be interesting to see if Ike Eke comes back and, if so, what he can add to the team.
Depth -- Based on what's coming back, this is the weak spot of the team. Hopefully, this is where a grad transfer or a late signing makes a difference.
Coaching -- Wojo's seat is hotter than hell. And it will get hotter yet if either the September recruiting period is a bust or if we get off to a slow start. If we get a Gavitt Game, we better win it. And, we damn well better beat Wisconsin. The question with coaching is that if our situation really is the dumpster fire it seems to be, how long with Stan stick around? The key issue is whether Wojo can pull in the wagons with this team and rally them in an "us versus the world" attitude. It's also important to communicate to Markus that his legacy must be more than a big-time scorer. That's what distinguishes a good Golden Eagle from a Warrior!
We shall see.
They are going to have to play differently next year...and yes, I think even before the Hausers departure, they were going to be able to drive the ball more simply by Greg coming back and adding Koby. That's what was going to make next years team so salivatingly good...when they did drive, and the defense collapsed, you could kick it out to one of 3 $$ options from 3...Markus, Sam or Joey. That's what was going to make the drive so effective, being able to spread the floor AND having a multitude of drivers.
That all changes next year now. You still have the drivers, but what you don't have is the #1 thing that makes driving easier..being able to spread the floor with long range snipers. Now the defense can collapse and who exactly do you kick it out to that you feel confident in(besides Markus) that will knock it down like Sam and Joey did?? HUGE HUGE problem next year now.
Further, driving to the hole is obviously good, getting FTA is good, but do nothing for you if you don't knock them down.
Looking ahead...in the last two minutes of a tight game, who exactly do you feel confident in going to the FT line to knock down big FT's besides Markus?? Certainly not Sacar, not Jamal, Koby wasn't a great FT shooter at Utah State. Greg isn't great. This could be a major problem as well.
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He was a freshman..
Bingo. Right answer. One of the better Freshman forwards we have had in recent history.
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Bingo. Right answer. One of the better Freshman forwards we have had in recent history.
Low bar. Seriously. Freshman forwards other than Sam the last 10 years that amounted to anything. Henry, Burton and really nothing else to brag about under either Buzz or Wojo.
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Let's start by assuming that the roster we have now largely is the roster we start the season with in early November. What do we hard-core Marquette fans expect from the 2019-2020 Warriors.
With apologies to Bama and other quant geeks, this is a qualitative assessment of what we can reasonably expect come November 1. So here goes with mine:
Team -- Assuming 28 games next year, we'll go 18-10 to 20-8 depending on the final make-up of our pre-conference schedule. At 19-9, we may be a bubble team depending on who we lose/win against. At 20-8 or better we're clearly in the NCAA (Had we not lost the Brothers Hauser, I would have expected 23-5). At worse than 19-9, we're part of the Not Invited Tournament!
Guards -- Huge strength next year, unchanged from expectation. If Symar Torrance (sp) reclassifies, the strength of our team. Expect a three guard line-up with Sacar starting but seeing lots and lots of Greg Elliott. Sacar needs to find consistency in his shot. If he does, he'll be deadly. Not sure what to make yet of Kobe's shooting ability but if can drive the basket effectively and, either score or kick out, we'll be in great shape.
Center -- Unchanged from a year ago. Assuming Theo and Ed can control their fouls and Theo discovers offense, this could be a HUGE benefit and replace some of the lost scoring due to the Brother Hauser leaving. To do better than 20-8 requires a significant offensive contribution from Theo (meaning about 8 to 10 points a game).
Forward(s) -- Brendan Bailey needs to step up and find his shot. Assuming he does, the transition from one Brothers Hauser to Bailey would be seamless. I sometimes think Bailey might have beaten out the Baby Hauser anyway, even if the Baby Hauser had stayed. Interesting key here is whether Jamal Cain is so discouraged from this year that he cannot contribute as a power forward. That's the one concern I have, particularly when we start looking for depth. Also will be interesting to see if Ike Eke comes back and, if so, what he can add to the team.
Depth -- Based on what's coming back, this is the weak spot of the team. Hopefully, this is where a grad transfer or a late signing makes a difference.
Coaching -- Wojo's seat is hotter than hell. And it will get hotter yet if either the September recruiting period is a bust or if we get off to a slow start. If we get a Gavitt Game, we better win it. And, we damn well better beat Wisconsin. The question with coaching is that if our situation really is the dumpster fire it seems to be, how long with Stan stick around? The key issue is whether Wojo can pull in the wagons with this team and rally them in an "us versus the world" attitude. It's also important to communicate to Markus that his legacy must be more than a big-time scorer. That's what distinguishes a good Golden Eagle from a Warrior!
We shall see.
Guru
I hope the replacement guys end up being as good as the Hausers, but who is going to back them up?
5-Theo, Ed , Ike( if Healthy)
3-4 Brendan, Jamal, Sacar
1-2 Markus, Greg, Koby
Dexter should redshirt and only play in event of emergency
Target a couple of Pogo Stick grad transfers
Everyone should be happy with their role
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Let's start by assuming that the roster we have now largely is the roster we start the season with in early November. What do we hard-core Marquette fans expect from the 2019-2020 Warriors.
With apologies to Bama and other quant geeks, this is a qualitative assessment of what we can reasonably expect come November 1. So here goes with mine:
Team -- Assuming 28 games next year, we'll go 18-10 to 20-8 depending on the final make-up of our pre-conference schedule. At 19-9, we may be a bubble team depending on who we lose/win against. At 20-8 or better we're clearly in the NCAA (Had we not lost the Brothers Hauser, I would have expected 23-5). At worse than 19-9, we're part of the Not Invited Tournament!
Guards -- Huge strength next year, unchanged from expectation. If Symar Torrance (sp) reclassifies, the strength of our team. Expect a three guard line-up with Sacar starting but seeing lots and lots of Greg Elliott. Sacar needs to find consistency in his shot. If he does, he'll be deadly. Not sure what to make yet of Kobe's shooting ability but if can drive the basket effectively and, either score or kick out, we'll be in great shape.
Center -- Unchanged from a year ago. Assuming Theo and Ed can control their fouls and Theo discovers offense, this could be a HUGE benefit and replace some of the lost scoring due to the Brother Hauser leaving. To do better than 20-8 requires a significant offensive contribution from Theo (meaning about 8 to 10 points a game).
Forward(s) -- Brendan Bailey needs to step up and find his shot. Assuming he does, the transition from one Brothers Hauser to Bailey would be seamless. I sometimes think Bailey might have beaten out the Baby Hauser anyway, even if the Baby Hauser had stayed. Interesting key here is whether Jamal Cain is so discouraged from this year that he cannot contribute as a power forward. That's the one concern I have, particularly when we start looking for depth. Also will be interesting to see if Ike Eke comes back and, if so, what he can add to the team.
Depth -- Based on what's coming back, this is the weak spot of the team. Hopefully, this is where a grad transfer or a late signing makes a difference.
Coaching -- Wojo's seat is hotter than hell. And it will get hotter yet if either the September recruiting period is a bust or if we get off to a slow start. If we get a Gavitt Game, we better win it. And, we damn well better beat Wisconsin. The question with coaching is that if our situation really is the dumpster fire it seems to be, how long with Stan stick around? The key issue is whether Wojo can pull in the wagons with this team and rally them in an "us versus the world" attitude. It's also important to communicate to Markus that his legacy must be more than a big-time scorer. That's what distinguishes a good Golden Eagle from a Warrior!
We shall see.
28 games???
18 conference games
12 or 13 non con.
It's 30 or 31. Plus at least 1 guaranteed post season game.
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Losing the Hausers obviously....will help with team chemistry.
This is a false narrative. The Hausers were NOT a negative influence in the locker room. They are still buds with the guys.
They were neither ring leaders of the insurrection nor were they a drain on team morale.
People need to stop coming to conclusions such as this because it is simply not true.
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This is a false narrative. The Hausers were NOT a negative influence in the locker room. They are still buds with the guys.
They were neither ring leaders of the insurrection nor were they a drain on team morale.
People need to stop coming to conclusions such as this because it is simply not true.
I am sure people will stop coming to conclusions like this as soon as you (and others who claim to know something) stop beating around the bush and tell us what you know. Otherwise, you (and others) are only adding fuel to the fire by making these vague statements.
In other words, tell us what you know!
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Low bar. Seriously. Freshman forwards other than Sam the last 10 years that amounted to anything. Henry, Burton and really nothing else to brag about under either Buzz or Wojo.
Not a low bar.
Since 10 years is an artificial number I went back to Novak's first year. Marquette has had solid production from the 3-5: Novak, Amoroso, Matthews, Hayward, Gardner, Mayo, Burton, Johnson, Fischer, Ellenson, Cheatham, Hauser, Cain, John, Hauser, Bailey.
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I am sure people will stop coming to conclusions like this as soon as you (and others who claim to know something) stop beating around the bush and tell us what you know. Otherwise, you (and others) are only adding fuel to the fire by making these vague statements.
In other words, tell us what you know!
Let's just say that without Stan Johnson that locker room would be half empty right now.
This has never been about the Hausers vs Markus or any of the other things written about playing time, shots, baby blues vs gold. This has been about Wojo.
And the Hausers are far from the only ones fed up. Without Stan there are several more empty lockers today.
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This is a false narrative. The Hausers were NOT a negative influence in the locker room. They are still buds with the guys.
They were neither ring leaders of the insurrection nor were they a drain on team morale.
People need to stop coming to conclusions such as this because it is simply not true.
Then who was the ringleader of the insurrection?
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Let's just say that without Stan Johnson that locker room would be half empty right now.
This has never been about the Hausers vs Markus or any of the other things written about playing time, shots, baby blues vs gold. This has been about Wojo.
And the Hausers are far from the only ones fed up. Without Stan there are several more empty lockers today.
So, an associate head coach, that still supports Wojo, did what he's supposed to do and help calm folks down.
Kudos Stan! Thanks for having Wojo's back!
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Then who was the ringleader of the insurrection?
DAVE ! ! !
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Let's just say that without Stan Johnson that locker room would be half empty right now.
This has never been about the Hausers vs Markus or any of the other things written about playing time, shots, baby blues vs gold. This has been about Wojo.
And the Hausers are far from the only ones fed up. Without Stan there are several more empty lockers today.
It's almost as if part of an assistant coach's job in every sport at every level is to play good cop with the players.
Revolutionary stuff.
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Let's just say that without Stan Johnson that locker room would be half empty right now.
This has never been about the Hausers vs Markus or any of the other things written about playing time, shots, baby blues vs gold. This has been about Wojo.
And the Hausers are far from the only ones fed up. Without Stan there are several more empty lockers today.
ill leave my commentary out of it this time and simply ask the question since i havent gotten an answer yet. if it was never about the hausers vs markus or shots then why did the hausers, according to the hauser parents, "really hope markus was gone?"
secondary question would be if markus had signed an agent and left school are the hausers transferring out of marquette?
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Revolutionary stuff.
The reports of Wojo's death are greatly exaggerated.
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The reports of Wojo's death are greatly exaggerated.
lovell
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Let's just say that without Stan Johnson that locker room would be half empty right now.
This has never been about the Hausers vs Markus or any of the other things written about playing time, shots, baby blues vs gold. This has been about Wojo.
And the Hausers are far from the only ones fed up. Without Stan there are several more empty lockers today.
Another reason in support of my notion to fire Wojo and replace with Stan.
Wojo brings zero positive value to this program right now. He is an impediment to the success .
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Crean, Buzz and Wojo all had players who hated them. They all had multiple players who needed to be talked out of transferring by assistants every single year. This isn't new. Players typically dislike the head coach and develop relationships with assistants.
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Speed kills. MU is going to be faster in 19-20.
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Speed kills. MU is going to be faster in 19-20.
Gotta chase all those long rebounds from missed threes.
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Counter balanced by transition baskets and guards getting to the rack.
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ill leave my commentary out of it this time and simply ask the question since i havent gotten an answer yet. if it was never about the hausers vs markus or shots then why did the hausers, according to the hauser parents, "really hope markus was gone?"
secondary question would be if markus had signed an agent and left school are the hausers transferring out of marquette?
Because the issue that Wojo was unwilling or incapable of correcting would have resolved itself
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Counter balanced by transition baskets and guards getting to the rack.
Need space to get to the rack.
I just think we're really glossing over losing 133 3PT makes at a 41% clip. That's not easy to replace. This team, as constructed, will have huge difficulty scoring consistently.
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Need space to get to the rack.
I just think we're really glossing over losing 133 3PT makes at a 41% clip. That's not easy to replace. This team, as constructed, will have huge difficulty scoring consistently.
+1
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Bailey's shot will improve. Sacar shot 36%. Cain may recover his freshman form. Greg has two good hands. I think you are obsessing over the 3 pt shot and ignoring faster players.
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Bailey's shot will improve. Sacar shot 36%. Cain may recover his freshman form. Greg has two good hands. I think you are obsessing over the 3 pt shot and ignoring faster players.
Obsessing? C'mon.
If we have seen anything over the last 5 years it's that Wojo values the three point shot in his offense. He'll either have to adjust, or find a grad transfer that can knock down the three.
I hope you're right and the guys improve enough to make it work. We'll see.
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Obsessing? C'mon.
If we have seen anything over the last 5 years it's that Wojo values the three point shot in his offense. He'll either have to adjust, or find a grad transfer that can knock down the three.
I hope you're right and the guys improve enough to make it work. We'll see.
Wojo had to value the 3pt shot because that was the only thing his teams were good at.
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I think it's a legit concern. You have to be able to shoot the 3 to win in college basketball. Hopefully McEwen or Elliott have been working on their shooting to the point that they can be a reliable option.
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Shooting threes is important in college basketball. But it's not everything.
It's true that Virginia shot 39.5% (8th best nationally) from three-point range. Then again, the Cavaliers did a lot of things well offensively -- turning the ball over on just 14.7 of their possessions (12th), for instance. A lot more goes into their 2nd best offensive ranking than just 3-point shooting.
On the other hand, Michigan managed to win 30 games shooting just 34.2% (176th) from beyond the arc. Nova won the Big East shooting 35.2% (126th). Duke nearly won it all despite its awful 30.8% outside shooting (327th).
I'm good with MU taking and making fewer threes (say dropping from 38.8% as a team to 36%) if it means the defense is better and we're scoring more in transition and on drives to the basket.
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And we reduce our turnover rate.
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If Marquette's 3 point percentage drops by 3%, that is one more miss out of 33 attempts. If MU cuts down on turnovers and gets two more fast break baskets per game, Marquette comes out ahead.
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If Marquette's 3 point percentage drops by 3%, that is one more miss out of 33 attempts. If MU cuts down on turnovers and gets two more fast break baskets per game, Marquette comes out ahead.
Also, more free throw attempts.
Koby and Greg have averaged 6.9 FTA in their careers. The Hausers combined for 5 last year.
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Wojo had to value the 3pt shot because that was the only thing his teams were good at.
Who recruited those guys?
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If Marquette's 3 point percentage drops by 3%, that is one more miss out of 33 attempts. If MU cuts down on turnovers and gets two more fast break baskets per game, Marquette comes out ahead.
I believe Duke was at 30% on threes. Still averaged 80+.
Slashing to the hoop and shooting lots of FTs can mask lots of other issues.
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Low bar. Seriously. Freshman forwards other than Sam the last 10 years that amounted to anything. Henry, Burton and really nothing else to brag about under either Buzz or Wojo.
Yes and who does the recruiting? Of the three, two transferred and one went pro prematurely. Just adds to the track record.
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Yes and who does the recruiting? Of the three, two transferred and one went pro prematurely. Just adds to the track record.
Wojo. Buzz. And Wojo actually has a better record with freshman forwards than Buzz did.
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Wojo. Buzz. And Wojo actually has a better record with freshman forwards than Buzz did.
Yes, I have also noticed this is another meaningless discussion that will not change your opinion or mine. Think I will move on. Good luck to all next year.
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So, an associate head coach, that still supports Wojo, did what he's supposed to do and help calm folks down.
Kudos Stan! Thanks for having Wojo's back!
Yep. This just in: Assistant does his job!
Not the sexiest of headlines, but that appears to be what happened.
As for those who are concerned about our 3-point shooting ...
I am one of those. But players do improve. Please raise your hand if you thought going into last season that Sacar would shoot 39% from 3-point range. Unfortunately, he slumped along with Sam, Joey and Markus at the end. It was the perfect storm of clankitude.
We apparently are going to be small, so we need to shoot 3s. Here's hoping we have a couple of guys who improve at it at least as much as Sacar did this past season. Bailey? McEwen? Buehler? Buehler?
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lovell
Jim or Michael
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I think it's a legit concern. You have to be able to shoot the 3 to win in college basketball. Hopefully McEwen or Elliott have been working on their shooting to the point that they can be a reliable option.
No you don't....have to hit 3's to win in college b-ball. That can be your style and what teams force you into if that is what they give you. But MU has to be . . . MU.
You might have to guard the 3pt shot and the perimeter and funnel that action to our shot blocking 'bigs.'
if you defend and protect the ball and move it well and finish you will be fine.
I am more concerned in some respect to rebounding than I am with shooting 3's...they can shoot 3's well enough and will top this year's pct.
But 3's are my least concern...
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Bailey's shot will improve. Sacar shot 36%. Cain may recover his freshman form. Greg has two good hands. I think you are obsessing over the 3 pt shot and ignoring faster players.
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What mindless drivel. We lost a vital component of our offense.
Here's an alternative view: Bailey's shot might not improve. Sacar might get to the rim but he still can't finish. Cain might be the sophomore Cain. Elliott might not be ready.
Some of us are concerned about losing the Hausers' 3 pt shooting. And who says we are going to run?
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I think it's a legit concern. You have to be able to shoot the 3 to win in college basketball. Hopefully McEwen or Elliott have been working on their shooting to the point that they can be a reliable option.
Looks like Koby is putting in work.
https://twitter.com/thetrueone1_/status/1121200240009404416?s=21If
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Tower:
Keep up the positive vibes.
It seems the only thing the attendees of the Vegan Summit can do now is complain and criticize. Nothing positive coming out. I've had enough of that.
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Positive vibes are always good!
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It is like anything else in life. Stay positive or whine.
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+1!
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What mindless drivel. We lost a vital component of our offense.
Here's an alternative view: Bailey's shot might not improve. Sacar might get to the rim but he still can't finish. Cain might be the sophomore Cain. Elliott might not be ready.
Some of us are concerned about losing the Hausers' 3 pt shooting. And who says we are going to run?
The Hausers are gone, we'll see how Wojo adjusts. Players have definitely improved under Wojo, perhaps that continues. Perhaps without the Hausers, Wojo commits to whatever system he feels most comfortable with and maximizes the player talent as a result. There is no doubting that the odds of Wojo pulling it off have gone down significantly but we shall see.
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The Hausers are gone, we'll see how Wojo adjusts. Players have definitely improved under Wojo, perhaps that continues. Perhaps without the Hausers, Wojo commits to whatever system he feels most comfortable with and maximizes the player talent as a result. There is no doubting that the odds of Wojo pulling it off have gone down significantly but we shall see.
This sums up my beliefs pretty succinctly
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Here's an alternative view: Bailey's shot might not improve. Sacar might get to the rim but he still can't finish. Cain might be the sophomore Cain. Elliott might not be ready.
Some of us are concerned about losing the Hausers' 3 pt shooting. And who says we are going to run?
Bailey's shot needs an overhaul. Mechanics are not good, which led to the inconsistency in results, and even where his misses were. Hopefully Dr. Nelson can work through it with him.
Sacar's case will be most interesting to me. There's no question he benefited from the space that playing with two 40% three point shooters allows. Can he make it happen with presumably less driving lanes?
The Detroit boys are wildcards, and ultimately, may end up determining a lot of how this season will go. Jamal could really use a redshirt year to tighten up his handle and footwork, but the roster won't allow for that. It was being discussed prior to Hausershima. I see a lot of backup QB syndrome with Greg. And don't get me wrong, I love the energy and toughness he brought as a freshman. But he's not a great shooter, and had his fair share of turnovers. I had to chuckle seeing him mentioned as a possible PG.
I do think playing fast is one of the few advantages MU has as currently constructed. I think we'll see some lineups with Sacar at the 4 with Ed at the 5 to try and make teams play faster than they're comfortable doing. I'd really feel a lot better with one more shooter, but we'll see how things shake out this spring.
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They played pretty well this year when they got out and ran. Next year's team is even better suited to run. I have no doubt they will try to push tempo.
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They played pretty well this year when they got out and ran. Next year's team is even better suited to run. I have no doubt they will try to push tempo.
One of the best cures for an offense that struggles in the half court is to not play against a set half court defense.
MU's defense will be very good next year, the question is can they turn defense into offense.
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They played pretty well this year when they got out and ran. Next year's team is even better suited to run. I have no doubt they will try to push tempo.
I'd have to dig up the numbers, but I remember seeing Paint Touches discuss how poor MU's offense was in transition this year.
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Can't help but thinking there are fans that want us to fail.....
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Bailey's shot needs an overhaul. Mechanics are not good...
This is preposterous. His mechanics are perfect. All his misses were long or short, which IMO is a function of freshman adrenaline and trying to make an impression. He can shoot. He’s just got to calm down.
I’m not suggesting he will make up for all that’s been lost. But he can shoot.
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This is preposterous. His mechanics are perfect. All his misses were long or short, which IMO is a function of freshman adrenaline and trying to make an impression. He can shoot. He’s just got to calm down.
His release point was all over the map last year. Some low, some high, and there at times was some left-right movement as he brought the ball up.
He was a mid 30% outside shooter in HS and shot 25% from three last year. Someone with a perfect shot doesn't shoot that poorly.
He's got the tools to improve. Maybe "overhaul" was too strong, but there are some fundamental things he needs to work on this summer.
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Can't help but thinking there are fans that want us to fail.....
Nobody here wants MU to fail. But as we look ahead to next year, there are some legit concerns and a lot of unknowns. If we can't discuss that here, where can we?
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Nobody here wants MU to fail. But as we look ahead to next year, there are some legit concerns and a lot of unknowns. If we can't discuss that here, where can we?
Not what I am alluding to. We can discuss all we want, that’s normal. It’s about some hoping things don’t go well.
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Not what I am alluding to. We can discuss all we want, that’s normal. It’s about some hoping things don’t go well.
This is poppycock, there is no one that doesn't want things to go well.
There are absolutely some on Scoop that are perpetually aggrieved when things aren't going right and disappear when things go well but no one on this board is hoping things don't go well. There is a massive difference between "I don't think there is any way Wojo meets expectations next year and he's gotta go" and "I really hope we lose because Wojo sucks and needs to go". Don't go trying to stifle debate by implying contrarians are some how the later.
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This is poppycock, there is no one that doesn't want things to go well.
There are absolutely some on Scoop that are perpetually aggrieved when things aren't going right and disappear when things go well but no one on this board is hoping things don't go well. There is a massive difference between "I don't think there is any way Wojo meets expectations next year and he's gotta go" and "I really hope we lose because Wojo sucks and needs to go". Don't go trying to stifle debate by implying contrarians are some how the later.
No one? Ok.
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I am more concerned in some respect to rebounding than I am with shooting 3's...they can shoot 3's well enough and will top this year's pct.
I am concerned about both. It looks like we will be small, so obviously rebounding is a worry. And small teams usually need to shoot 3s well to make up for a lack of an interior presence.
At .388, we led the BEast and were 12th nationally in 3-point percentage. In other words, we were an elite 3-point shooting team this past season. So I'd be VERY impressed if we topped that. VERY surprised, too.
The Hausers are gone, we'll see how Wojo adjusts. Players have definitely improved under Wojo, perhaps that continues. Perhaps without the Hausers, Wojo commits to whatever system he feels most comfortable with and maximizes the player talent as a result. There is no doubting that the odds of Wojo pulling it off have gone down significantly but we shall see.
BOOM!
This is a wonderful 4-sentence synopsis of our situation.
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While everyone wants Wojo to have wild success and grow the program into a blue blood, I think there is a fair number of people who would rather see Wojo fail and get run out of town rather than having a repeat of last year.
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It is like anything else in life. Stay positive or whine.
Delusional
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Delusional
How is that delusional? Your typing consistently negative things and whining. He's being positive neither is delusional. You've had a weird obsession with personally attacking Tower recently and he's consistently taken the high road. I can't imagine that's a side of you you'd like for your son to mirror as he grows up so why continue to do it.
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How is that delusional? Your typing consistently negative things and whining. He's being positive neither is delusional. You've had a weird obsession with personally attacking Tower recently and he's consistently taken the high road. I can't imagine that's a side of you you'd like for your son to mirror as he grows up so why continue to do it.
Tower has him on ignore.
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Tower has him on ignore.
He's one of two accounts I have on ignore. The other, probably not surprisingly, is keefe.
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I think MU will be better / as good post Hausergate. My reasoning is that the team chemistry will be better. Not because Hausers were bad guys . Rather ,Everyone will be very happy in their role. That job satisfaction leads to success as a team.
Also Greg Elliott is very keen on keeping all the various mouths fed when he is on the court and that helps a lot as well. I think Greg and Jamal reunited will be a beautiful thing.
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This sums up my beliefs pretty succinctly
Wojos track record of adjusting has been piss poor.
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Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2019, 07:29:53 AM (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58681.msg1128183#msg1128183)It is like anything else in life. Stay positive or whine.
Delusional
I get being a cynic and contrarian. The glass is not always half full. Things don't always work out. But that doesn't make keeping a positive attitude delusional. A positive, can-do attitude defines leadership. It's simply how things get done -- by focusing on the progress you can make, what you can accomplish, rather than on what's not possible.
Based on your previous posts, my guess is there's at least at least one military leader you look up to. Someone who's impressed you with their accomplishments, someone who's inspired you. Who is it? And would you say he/she takes a positive approach, or a cynical one?
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He's one of two accounts I have on ignore. The other, probably not surprisingly, is keefe.
Couple guys who invested a lot of money in a private college education to take jobs that require a high school diploma to qualify for and work. Makes me question judgment, intelligence, and ambition.
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Couple guys who invested a lot of money in a private college education to take jobs that require a high school diploma to qualify for and work. Makes me question judgment, intelligence, and ambition.
ban this guy
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Couple guys who invested a lot of money in a private college education to take jobs that require a high school diploma to qualify for and work. Makes me question judgment, intelligence, and ambition.
Snobbish.
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Hello darkness my old friend.