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Title: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Boston Warrior on April 21, 2019, 10:36:17 PM


Is it possible to have a moment to reflect that this transfer thing can be rethought and worked on by all parties? It might be the best option for all concerned!

Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: CountryRoads on April 21, 2019, 10:40:28 PM

Is it possible to have a moment to reflect that this transfer thing can be rethought and worked on by all parties? It might be the best option for all concerned!

This thought has been crossing my mind this weekend. I would say it’s a possibility, but I fear that Wojo may have been too much of a baby about it and completely burned the bridge.

A reversal of their decision would create other issues. I think we’d lose Anim and bailey as those two would be expecting to start next year and play major minutes.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Boston Warrior on April 21, 2019, 10:46:53 PM
Can Scholl or Lovell bring the parties together?

It makes sense for them to figure it out!
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: WarriorPride68 on April 21, 2019, 10:49:56 PM

Is it possible to have a moment to reflect that this transfer thing can be rethought and worked on by all parties? It might be the best option for all concerned!

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/119gdJbeNRRepO/giphy.gif)

on the one week anniversary of announcing transfer
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Jon on April 21, 2019, 11:11:55 PM

Is it possible to have a moment to reflect that this transfer thing can be rethought and worked on by all parties? It might be the best option for all concerned!

Sure. It's possible.

And so is Wojo developing leadership skills.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: MUfan12 on April 22, 2019, 08:19:17 AM
This thought has been crossing my mind this weekend. I would say it’s a possibility, but I fear that Wojo may have been too much of a baby about it and completely burned the bridge.

You fear correctly.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 22, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
At this point, I wouldn't want them back. They would be clear starters next season, but a return could come at the cost of team chemistry and other players.

Their decision sucks for MU (and possibly them, if they really wanted UVa or MSU), but it's time for both sides to move on....
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 22, 2019, 08:29:58 AM

I don't think you can put the Paste back into the Tube.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: MomofMUltiples on April 22, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
Juan Anderson came back after he announced his transfer.  Buzz convinced him it was the best thing for him.  That transfer, however, was not surrounded by as much melodrama and innuendo as this one.  Yes, they could come back.  Doubt they will.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 22, 2019, 08:42:34 AM
Juan Anderson came back after he announced his transfer.  Buzz convinced him it was the best thing for him.  That transfer, however, was not surrounded by as much melodrama and innuendo as this one.  Yes, they could come back.  Doubt they will.


Jake Thomas also announced a transfer but returned.  But that was a very different situation as well.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Not A Serious Person on April 22, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
Not sure where to ask this ...

Why don't they test the NBA waters?  Why not even try (especially for Sam)?
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
Certainly, in fact probably.......oh, I'll be right back. Just gotta take this phone call from Kate Upton and Kendall Jenner. They want to know when I'm available for a threesome, hey?
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: withoutbias on April 22, 2019, 09:16:51 AM
is it allowed by rule? yes. will they? no. if they did would the team and coaches have them? i highly doubt anybody associated with the program want them back at this point.

didnt mo acker get kicked off the team (thus looking to transfer) for hitting the bong too hard until buzzard realized he needed him back?
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on April 22, 2019, 09:25:27 AM
I think the larger predicament the program faces is that, regardless of the unlikelihood of a hypothetical Hausers-return is, there will be multiple players leaving the team - which is a far greater concern over whether or not Sam and Joey return.  Whether it is Sam and Joey, or Sacar and Brendan, the team is losing valuable skill and experience for next year, which is a disappointing and frustrating reaction after this past season.  You can use any comparative program/team you can dig up, but successful programs do not encounter an exodus of players after a top-10 year and projected top-10 season following.  Unfortunately, it is what it is right now.  We can only hope the future is better. 

Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: brewcity77 on April 22, 2019, 09:28:42 AM
Not sure where to ask this ...

Why don't they test the NBA waters?  Why not even try (especially for Sam)?

Because the deadline was yesterday, I believe. Even if it wasn't, early entrants had to request an eval by April 11 to be eligible to return. So they would've had to make that request before Markus announced he was back.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: MU82 on April 22, 2019, 09:35:47 AM
Because the deadline was yesterday, I believe. Even if it wasn't, early entrants had to request an eval by April 11 to be eligible to return. So they would've had to make that request before Markus announced he was back.

Still, regardless of Sam's thoughts on Markus and Wojo and Marquette, I agree with Smuggles that it wouldn't have hurt Sam one iota, and likely would have helped him, to have gone through the process.

Having said that, Sam is yesterday's news. He's the enemy now. Moving on.

I think the larger predicament the program faces is that, regardless of the unlikelihood of a hypothetical Hausers-return is, there will be multiple players leaving the team

Several of those who claim to be in the know have commented in the last few days that this threat apparently has passed and that the Hausers will be the only ones to leave. Here's hoping they're right.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Boozemon Barro on April 22, 2019, 09:36:17 AM
I only see one NBA prospect in this picture.

(http://www.medina-gazette.com/image/2019/03/22/x600_q65/24119400.jpg)
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: #UnleashSean on April 22, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
I only see one NBA prospect in this picture.

(http://www.medina-gazette.com/image/2019/03/22/x600_q65/24119400.jpg)

The irony of this post is that a current mu player was responsible for that defensive lapse
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Goose on April 22, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
Golden Warrior

I might be "one of those who claim to be in the know", and because of MU 82 outing me, I no longer stand by the threat has passed stance. I hope that your belief of more departures does not materialize.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: brewcity77 on April 22, 2019, 09:49:04 AM
Golden Warrior

I might be "one of those who claim to be in the know", and because of MU 82 outing me, I no longer stand by the threat has passed stance. I hope that your belief of more departures does not materialize.

And let's be honest, even if the threat has passed, they are still college kids. Someone might change their mind. Excrement happens.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Boozemon Barro on April 22, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
The irony of this post is that a current mu player was responsible for that defensive lapse
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f6/f67334bc58f2468bad15312669d5edaa0afe4c44de4eb56039994a47f00d296b.jpg)
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Benny B on April 22, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
I only see one NBA prospect in this picture.

Don't be sleeping on Shaq Buchanan.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: wadesworld on April 22, 2019, 09:50:12 AM
I think the larger predicament the program faces is that, regardless of the unlikelihood of a hypothetical Hausers-return is, there will be multiple players leaving the team - which is a far greater concern over whether or not Sam and Joey return.  Whether it is Sam and Joey, or Sacar and Brendan, the team is losing valuable skill and experience for next year, which is a disappointing and frustrating reaction after this past season.  You can use any comparative program/team you can dig up, but successful programs do not encounter an exodus of players after a top-10 year and projected top-10 season following.  Unfortunately, it is what it is right now.  We can only hope the future is better.

Last year Auburn went 26-8 and won the SEC and then their best player/leading scorer/3rd leading rebounder, a sophomore, transferred out...and then Auburn went to the Final Four without him.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 22, 2019, 09:55:01 AM
Certainly, in fact probably.......oh, I'll be right back. Just gotta take this phone call from Kate Upton and Kendall Jenner. They want to know when I'm available for a threesome, hey?

don't forget the pics please :D and your vitamin "V"(or "C")  and your defibrillator
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 22, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
Dear Sam and Joey,

You left.  We moved on.

Best Wishes,
Steve & Markus
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on April 22, 2019, 10:15:09 AM
Golden Warrior

I might be "one of those who claim to be in the know", and because of MU 82 outing me, I no longer stand by the threat has passed stance. I hope that your belief of more departures does not materialize.

I phrased it poorly - I meant to say that no matter what, the team was looking at players transferring for next season.  If Sam/Joey stayed, it was likely others were going to leave due to the minutes crunch; if Sam/Joey commit to their transfer (as it is widely believed), then other players would likely not leave due to the opening of minutes.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Benny B on April 22, 2019, 10:20:05 AM
Not sure where to ask this ...

Why don't they test the NBA waters?  Why not even try (especially for Sam)?

As I mentioned previously and will now elaborate....

NBA scouts are human, and thus, they are prone to the same bias that we all are, including the one summed up best by that age-old adage of "you only get one chance to make a first impression."  Scouts will formulate an opinion on just about anyone they watch playing the college game, but they can't do a full eval until the player is surrounded by NBA-level (and/or potential) talent.

Think of it this way: NBA scouts might have a great idea about what Sam's NBA potential is, but they haven't started writing the book yet; and until pen is put to paper, opinions are free to evolve and change.  But once the opening chapter is written, everything that follows is still preceded by that first chapter, and any publisher will tell you that it doesn't matter what is written on the next 500 pages, if the opening chapter is trash, that book ain't gonna sell.

In other words, let's say that Sam has the potential for a modest NBA career... he doesn't have the "intangibles" like a Jimmy Butler or unrefined potential like a young Giannis, but certainly he could be something between a Novak (journeyman role-player) and a McNeal (enough talent to break in, but just can't break out).  In other words, even if he's sitting on the fringe to be drafted, he's first cut on making a team (pun semi-intended).  So the very last thing a guy like him needs is to have a poor showing in Portsmouth and have something attached to him that he's not going to be able to shake after one more year in the NCAA, which, mind you, is going to follow a year on the pine.

With all that said, the absolute worst thing for Sam's NBA career, if that is his destiny, is to make a bad impression and then have to sit out a year.  If he did put in for an eval, the best thing would be for him to return to MU and play his final season right away.

My guess... Sam has resigned himself to going pro in something else or he's not 100%.  If NBA really was the path, why postpone it longer than necessary, unless you have an extenuating circumstance - perhaps a lingering injury - and the best bet for your career is to take a year off to get back to 100% health without raising any alarms.

Which actually seems to make sense if you think about it...
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Jockey on April 22, 2019, 10:35:15 AM
As I mentioned previously and will now elaborate....

NBA scouts are human, and thus, they are prone to the same bias that we all are, including the one summed up best by that age-old adage of "you only get one chance to make a first impression."  Scouts will formulate an opinion on just about anyone they watch playing the college game, but they can't do a full eval until the player is surrounded by NBA-level (and/or potential) talent.

Think of it this way: NBA scouts might have a great idea about what Sam's NBA potential is, but they haven't started writing the book yet; and until pen is put to paper, opinions are free to evolve and change.  But once the opening chapter is written, everything that follows is still preceded by that first chapter, and any publisher will tell you that it doesn't matter what is written on the next 500 pages, if the opening chapter is trash, that book ain't gonna sell.

In other words, let's say that Sam has the potential for a modest NBA career... he doesn't have the "intangibles" like a Jimmy Butler or unrefined potential like a young Giannis, but certainly he could be something between a Novak (journeyman role-player) and a McNeal (enough talent to break in, but just can't break out).  In other words, even if he's sitting on the fringe to be drafted, he's first cut on making a team (pun semi-intended).  So the very last thing a guy like him needs is to have a poor showing in Portsmouth and have something attached to him that he's not going to be able to shake after one more year in the NCAA, which, mind you, is going to follow a year on the pine.

With all that said, the absolute worst thing for Sam's NBA career, if that is his destiny, is to make a bad impression and then have to sit out a year.  If he did put in for an eval, the best thing would be for him to return to MU and play his final season right away.

My guess... Sam has resigned himself to going pro in something else or he's not 100%.  If NBA really was the path, why postpone it longer than necessary, unless you have an extenuating circumstance - perhaps a lingering injury - and the best bet for your career is to take a year off to get back to 100% health without raising any alarms.

Which actually seems to make sense if you think about it...

Everything you say here is correct.

A marginal (very) prospect at 19-20 has a chance to ride a bench for a couple years - maybe after time in the G League. A marginal prospect at (almost) 23, plays in Europe.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 22, 2019, 10:39:14 AM
Everything you say here is correct.

A marginal (very) prospect at 19-20 has a chance to ride a bench for a couple years - maybe after time in the G League. A marginal prospect at (almost) 23, plays in Europe.

That's really not true.  Plenty of "marginal" players 23 and older in the G-League.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
If they came back it would be because their desired options (MSU, UVA) turned them down.

While we would undoubtedly be better with them, I don't think I'd want them back at that point.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: MUDPT on April 22, 2019, 10:50:13 AM
Yeah, about this...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193/photo/1
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: KampusFoods on April 22, 2019, 10:53:35 AM
Yeah, about this...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193/photo/1

Clearly all 9 of them are transferring.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: muguru on April 22, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Because the deadline was yesterday, I believe. Even if it wasn't, early entrants had to request an eval by April 11 to be eligible to return. So they would've had to make that request before Markus announced he was back.

Actually this isn't true, we all thought it was, but I have seen plenty declare since the 11th, that have mentioned still coming back to school. Weird.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 22, 2019, 10:56:59 AM
Yeah, about this...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193/photo/1

Cringey picture... But they're young, so we can forgive them.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 22, 2019, 10:57:56 AM
Yeah, about this...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193/photo/1

But where is Sacar?!?!  Nevermind,  he's in the back left.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: MomofMUltiples on April 22, 2019, 11:21:01 AM
Actually this isn't true, we all thought it was, but I have seen plenty declare since the 11th, that have mentioned still coming back to school. Weird.

Guru, I have explained this to you a number of times.  Players who wanted to enter the draft but leave open the possibility of return had to apply for an evaluation from the NBA undergraduate advisory committee by April 11.  They didn't need to announce by that date.  All undergraduates must declare for the draft by today and withdraw by May 29 in order to return to school.  Players who did not ask for an evaluation from the undergraduate advisory committee can still declare by today, but will lose their remaining NCAA eligibility if they do so.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: muguru on April 22, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Guru, I have explained this to you a number of times.  Players who wanted to enter the draft but leave open the possibility of return had to apply for an evaluation from the NBA undergraduate advisory committee by April 11.  They didn't need to announce by that date.  All undergraduates must declare for the draft by today and withdraw by May 29 in order to return to school.  Players who did not ask for an evaluation from the undergraduate advisory committee can still declare by today, but will lose their remaining NCAA eligibility if they do so.

I know mom, but you'd have thought announcements would have been much sooner on those that had already applied by the 11th. What's the point in waiting with something like that?? That was over 10 days ago.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: MomofMUltiples on April 22, 2019, 11:40:57 AM
Maybe they applied for the evaluation but hadn't decided yet if they were going.  Or maybe they didn't apply for the evaluation but just decided, "screw that, I'm done with school."  You never know.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: oldwarrior81 on April 22, 2019, 11:50:59 AM
Yeah, about this...

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1120352403675656193/photo/1

What happened to Elliott's hand?  When did he lose parts of two fingers?  That's sure to effect his shot. 
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: pbiflyer on April 22, 2019, 12:27:57 PM
If they came back it would be because their desired options (MSU, UVA) turned them down.

While we would undoubtedly be better with them, I don't think I'd want them back at that point.

(https://i.imgur.com/ex0rqf4.jpg)
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Herman Cain on April 22, 2019, 12:35:54 PM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/119gdJbeNRRepO/giphy.gif)

on the one week anniversary of announcing transfer
Glad your back. 
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: warriorchick on April 22, 2019, 02:19:34 PM
What happened to Elliott's hand?  When did he lose parts of two fingers?  That's sure to effect his shot.

Yeah, they were really underselling that injury last season.
Title: Re: Can the hausers change their mind?
Post by: Fullodds on April 22, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
No chance.  Wojo just finished re-watching the Buffalo game - no time.