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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Jon on April 18, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
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Reading through the 'analyses' posted here I note that the single most important comment on Wojo is being overlooked: a range of constituencies within the MU MBB circle all note that Wojo is inflexible, rigid, aloof, and worst of all, patronizing. The man has a hubris which makes him unlikable.
In the most recent case with the Hausers, Wojo's condescension and patronizing manner destroyed any chance of salvaging what was a very manageable situation.
When stakeholders come to a leader and say here is a problem that we need to fix, and actually offer constructive input designed to address the issue, it is incumbent on leadership to engage in meaningful dialogue.
If stakeholders are dismissed with trite platitudes they have every right to be upset.
This dynamic holds true in politics, business, the military, and college basketball teams. It applies to any collective organization established to accomplish a specific set of objectives.
Leadership can have quantitative scientific dimensions but it is overwhelmingly qualitative art.
The bottom line is that the real issue at play is Wojo is a terrible leader. He is running a multi-million dollar enterprise that involves managing political and business interests.
When any stakeholder comes to you with a problem you listen and do something about it. Even if the course of action is contrary to what the stakeholder wants you still manage it.
What is particularly egregious here is that the Hausers were acutely critical to the future course of the enterprise. To patronize one of your most important constituents is beyond ridiculous.
Unfortunately, leadership is mostly art that some people will never master. Frankly, I think Wojo is not particularly bright and will never transform into the CEO he needs to be.
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Wow - did not know how you felt until now. Thanks for telling us.
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Coaches coach, and players play. Wojo was willing to suffer the backlash. Good for him
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Is it hubris? Or is it an inability to see past the limitations of someone he admires and manage those limitations accordingly?
So I'm not sure its rigidity and aloofness, but an inability to manage. Or are those two sides of the same coin?
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He’s a f*cking idiot.
I saw a tweet today that he’s spending Easter break watching all of the games from last season. Hopefully he realizes how dumb he is when watching and how much he’ll miss Sam and Joey.
Although it’s very doubtful
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Absolutely perfect example of the "Wojo as Listener" problem.
Thanks for providing a visual.
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For me, relevant is waking up and loving my family.
Oh and it’s thursday. So I’ll probably eat tacos and drink a few Margs.
I’m done trying to analyze this.
Next man up. Subject: beaten to a nice Gauac with cilantro and salsa. Which I will also be eating shortly.
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Reading through the 'analyses' posted here I note that the single most important comment on Wojo is being overlooked: a range of constituencies within the MU MBB circle all note that Wojo is inflexible, rigid, aloof, and worst of all, patronizing. The man has a hubris which makes him unlikable.
lol
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I think Crash is 100% correct that Wojo is not a great leader if what we are hearing is correct(even if we're off by +/-50% in the story). Even if the Hausers' are the biggest babies ever there are ways to manage that with the other demands of the other players as well. Keep in mind, there is enough evidence that this insurrection was more than just the Hausers, they are just the most visible in this.
No matter how you slice it, Wojo failed at a leadership level here, what remains to be seen is if he can learn and/or recover from it.
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Spot on, Jon. This was a failure of leadership plain and simple. A leader’s greatest responsibility is eliminating the things that stand in the way of success for those that report to them.
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If you subscribe to a Camus-esque theory of things: the only thing that is relevant is buying into the absurdity of life.
If you are more of a Sartre person:you need to define what is relevant in your own life.
If you are a nihilist: everything is nothing.
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If you subscribe to a Camus-esque theory of things: the only thing that is relevant is buying into the absurdity of life.
If you are more of a Sartre person:you need to define what is relevant in your own life.
If you are a nihilist: everything is nothing.
All Jon is saying is that Wojo....Kant do it.
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Hopefully, there are other options at Kierkegaard. Maybe as many as 4.
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All Jon is saying is that Wojo....Kant do it.
Let's just be patient and see what transpires here. Don't put Descartes before the horse.
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Hopefully, there are other options at Kierkegaard. Maybe as many as 4.
But really none are a Locke to make up for the loss of Sam and Joey.
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I'm a-Freud that ship has sailed.
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lol
+ 1,000
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If Wojo doesn't find his Nietzsche as a coach soon, he's going to get Rand out of town.
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Humor is the best medicine
Thanks, the depression is beginning to subside.
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The man has a hubris which makes him unlikable.
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If you subscribe to a Camus-esque theory of things: the only thing that is relevant is buying into the absurdity of life.
If you are more of a Sartre person:you need to define what is relevant in your own life.
If you are a nihilist: everything is nothing.
[/s] Arby's.
C'mon man.
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It's fair to say Wojo didn't have the team Plato its strengths down the stretch.
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If good players keep transferring out every year Dennett is unlikely that the team will advance very far in the tournament.
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I think Crash is 100% correct that Wojo is not a great leader if what we are hearing is correct(even if we're off by +/-50% in the story). Even if the Hausers' are the biggest babies ever there are ways to manage that with the other demands of the other players as well. Keep in mind, there is enough evidence that this insurrection was more than just the Hausers, they are just the most visible in this.
No matter how you slice it, Wojo failed at a leadership level here, what remains to be seen is if he can learn and/or recover from it.
What if there aren't? What if the Hauser demands were unreasonable, or if they were reasonable demands met with a reasonable response, but the Hausers didn't think it was enough? I know nothing, but I also know that just about none of us know everything.
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Is there a compendium somewhere of all coaches that are unlikable?
Seriously though, if you made a graph with a coach's likability on the x-axis and their success on the y-axis, you would get something that looks like this:
(https://www.atnf.csiro.au/outreach//education/senior/astrophysics/images/stellarevolution/randomdistsml.gif)
My suspicion is that you are well aware of this, you just needed to rant. Which is fine, but, it is well-known that many of the best coaches are not likable, personable, or funny in any way. These kinds of traits are not predictive of success for coaches in any major sport, at all. And this isn't just my own opinion.
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Spot on crash.
He’s as soft as they come. I have witnessed it in person for myself. (No I don’t mean when he’s stomping and jumping on the court like a toddler when things are falling apart)
Maybe in the presser this year he can use the “we’re young crutch, and we’ve played nova and Xavier twice and we don’t get foul shots like other teams”
Cut ties, and move on.
Glad to hear he reinstated his twitter account. Everyone be nice now.
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Wojo is back on Twitter? Has he shared any pearls of wisdom?
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Keep in mind, there is enough evidence that this insurrection was more than just the Hausers, they are just the most visible in this.
Evidence? I have seen no evidence - only conjecture and hearsay.
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I'm just glad to see that those 12 or so hours of philosophy that was required has been put to good use by the members of Scoop.
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I'm just glad to see that those 12 or so hours of philosophy that was required has been put to good use by the members of Scoop.
Well we used up all our Theology knowledge at the end of the season.
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Wojo is back on Twitter? Has he shared any pearls of wisdom?
No, it was the official MU b-ball twitter account that tweeted about him watching film. Like that’s something to be pumped about...
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No, it was the official MU b-ball twitter account that tweeted about him watching film. Like that’s something to be pumped about...
Must be nice to have a full and talented roster so that you don't have to spend time recruiting and can watch re-runs on TV. ;)
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Philosophy puns! I love it! This is why I just can't quit scoop
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Reading through the 'analyses' posted here I note that the single most important comment on Wojo is being overlooked: a range of constituencies within the MU MBB circle all note that Wojo is inflexible, rigid, aloof, and worst of all, patronizing. The man has a hubris which makes him unlikable.
In the most recent case with the Hausers, Wojo's condescension and patronizing manner destroyed any chance of salvaging what was a very manageable situation.
When stakeholders come to a leader and say here is a problem that we need to fix, and actually offer constructive input designed to address the issue, it is incumbent on leadership to engage in meaningful dialogue.
If stakeholders are dismissed with trite platitudes they have every right to be upset.
This dynamic holds true in politics, business, the military, and college basketball teams. It applies to any collective organization established to accomplish a specific set of objectives.
Leadership can have quantitative scientific dimensions but it is overwhelmingly qualitative art.
The bottom line is that the real issue at play is Wojo is a terrible leader. He is running a multi-million dollar enterprise that involves managing political and business interests.
When any stakeholder comes to you with a problem you listen and do something about it. Even if the course of action is contrary to what the stakeholder wants you still manage it.
What is particularly egregious here is that the Hausers were acutely critical to the future course of the enterprise. To patronize one of your most important constituents is beyond ridiculous.
Unfortunately, leadership is mostly art that some people will never master. Frankly, I think Wojo is not particularly bright and will never transform into the CEO he needs to be.
I agree with this analysis.
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I'd argue it's much more relevant whether the team/coach/program can rebound from this setback and have a good next season.
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Evidence? I have seen no evidence - only conjecture and hearsay.
I've seen the evidence....there were multiple players beyond the Hausers that were upset/talked out of leaving.
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Philosophy puns! I love it! This is why I just can't quit scoop
Ah, the only question is “Dewey win next year or Dewey not.”
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I think Crash is 100% correct that Wojo is not a great leader if what we are hearing is correct(even if we're off by +/-50% in the story). Even if the Hausers' are the biggest babies ever there are ways to manage that with the other demands of the other players as well. Keep in mind, there is enough evidence that this insurrection was more than just the Hausers, they are just the most visible in this.
No matter how you slice it, Wojo failed at a leadership level here, what remains to be seen is if he can learn and/or recover from it.
I just re watched the St. John’s post game interview at the BEast tourney—it was weird at the time. Now makes more sense.
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All this back and forth about who is to blame sure is Confuc-ing
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All this back and forth about who is to blame sure is Confuc-ing
Yep. like fighters that have Punched themselves out.
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I just re watched the St. John’s post game interview at the BEast tourney—it was weird at the time. Now makes more sense.
Talking about when Sacar randomly left? I totally forgot about that. Definitely gives a different spin to it now.
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Talking about when Sacar randomly left? I totally forgot about that. Definitely gives a different spin to it now.
Yup. But there is more — outside influencers— references to the players. The part after the weird reporter just complimented Wojo for 45 secs was interesting.
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I've seen the evidence....there were multiple players beyond the Hausers that were upset/talked out of leaving.
So they will be transferring, right?
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Yep. like fighters that have Punched themselves out.
We Buddha use some of this Wojo discussion to increase the level of kindness on the board.
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Arby's
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We Buddha use some of this Wojo discussion to increase the level of kindness on the board.
That pun was pretty forced. But I will aLao-Tzu to get it away with it.
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So they will be transferring, right?
I don't think they will, but its not outside the realm of possibility
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We Buddha use some of this Wojo discussion to increase the level of kindness on the board.
The Buddha's first sermon was on Duhkha. Maybe he talked about this week inside the MU program.
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I don't think they will, but its not outside the realm of possibility
People are going home for Easter. Who knows what conversations will be had.
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People are going home for Easter. Who knows what conversations will be had.
That actually scares me, this could get worse.
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I agree with this analysis.
Wojo came from a winning pedigree at Duke...he doesn't have time to babysit and mind foolishness. I am a fan of him and his staff. It is a top coaching staff.
He has recruited and brought in and dealt with TOP RECRUITS man down in Durham and worked with Coach K and USA Men's Basketball players.
I think we lucky to have him. Kids are going to think 'me first' and posture in college basketball.
Especially if they were or are coaches sons and were very successful in the state in high school, and they have options and connections if things do not go as they like to move elsewhere.
I cannot believe the angst with a 24-10 team! There has to be a level of that to be a success.
I understand why the Hauser's left, [I knew that would be an issue and said it on this very before it went down] and I understand what the issue was, and I get the bind that Coach Wojo is in and the pickle he is in.
He can't tell a guy like Marcus Howard to pass the ball man...when they did not have a true point guard. That was the issue from the start.
Howard like Rowsey was last year is too talented to take the ball out of his hands and was one of the most prolific scorers in college basketball or in the history at this University.
What is Wojo supposed to do!?? I don't get many of you! LOL. He coached it the way he should have.
They just had dissension and jealousy and break-downs late when they should have stuck together instead of counting touches and pointing fingers and passing blame...
Finishing 1-7 is ugly. I know...Some of the shot selections of the main star were ugly too, if they missed and other guys are open. I get that, and it looks bad at times.
But on the flip side you had to let him shoot them because some of them went in. It got others upset...oh well. You were winning with him doing that. What is Wojo really supposed to do?? He's paid to WIN...
It's catch 22. But if everyone calms down they can get out of this being better for it.
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Profound .. I agree with your analysis.
Men are lead by the most simplistic attribute and that’s respect. Admiration to the leader, manager, or coach is built on their kindness, fairness, and the courage to make sound good decisions for the whole.
This sad story and the various narratives are built on multiple narratives and conjecture.
Like most unfortunate events the truth is murky, based on where you like to view it.
I’m Not sure how this all plays out for MU basketball but hopeful that we all endure and prosper. Godspeed to Wojo, the team, the Hauser family and Marquette University.
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All Jon is saying is that Wojo....Kant do it.
We all know that Immanuel Kant but what is often overlooked is that Kubla Khan.
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After the events of the last week I can't help but think about how great a job Coach Kieger must have done managing all the egos on the women's team, and that we really should Singer praises more.
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Yup. But there is more — outside influencers— references to the players. The part after the weird reporter just complimented Wojo for 45 secs was interesting.
Wow that takes on a totally different form watching it now. It’s no longer a harmless act by Sacar getting up and leaving followed by some playful sarcasm by Wojo. That’s the sign of a lost locker room.
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Wojo came from a winning pedigree at Duke...he doesn't have time to babysit and mind foolishness. I am a fan of him and his staff. It is a top coaching staff.
He has recruited and brought in and dealt with TOP RECRUITS man down in Durham and worked with Coach K and USA Men's Basketball players.
I think we lucky to have him. Kids are going to think 'me first' and posture in college basketball.
Especially if they were or are coaches sons and were very successful in the state in high school, and they have options and connections if things do not go as they like to move elsewhere.
I cannot believe the angst with a 24-10 team! There has to be a level of that to be a success.
I understand why the Hauser's left, [I knew that would be an issue and said it on this very before it went down] and I understand what the issue was, and I get the bind that Coach Wojo is in and the pickle he is in.
He can't tell a guy like Marcus Howard to pass the ball man...when they did not have a true point guard. That was the issue from the start.
Howard like Rowsey was last year is too talented to take the ball out of his hands and was one of the most prolific scorers in college basketball or in the history at this University.
What is Wojo supposed to do!?? I don't get many of you! LOL. He coached it the way he should have.
They just had dissension and jealousy and break-downs late when they should have stuck together instead of counting touches and pointing fingers and passing blame...
Finishing 1-7 is ugly. I know...Some of the shot selections of the main star were ugly too, if they missed and other guys are open. I get that, and it looks bad at times.
But on the flip side you had to let him shoot them because some of them went in. It got others upset...oh well. You were winning with him doing that. What is Wojo really supposed to do?? He's paid to WIN...
It's catch 22. But if everyone calms down they can get out of this being better for it.
The stats showed at the end of the year, Markus was a below average player with a very high usage. If it’s true that he was ignoring the plays called, Wojo should have benched him. There were plenty of good stretches had by the team with Markus on the bench.
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Wow that takes on a totally different form watching it now. It’s no longer a harmless act by Sacar getting up and leaving followed by some playful sarcasm by Wojo. That’s the sign of a lost locker room.
where is this?
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where is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo)
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where is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo
That was strange. First Wojo interrupts Sacar as he is answering his question, almost to get him to stop. Then Sacar leaves with a comment by Wojo that at first glance looks sarcastic, but in retrospect obviously not.
Yeah you just don't do that if you're Sacar unless you are really pissed. It was the only time he got to answer a question and his coach cuts him off.
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He can't tell a guy like Marcus Howard to pass the ball man...when they did not have a true point guard. That was the issue from the start.
Two things about this.
1. Hell yes he can tell Markus to pass the ball. What does not having another PG have to do with it?
2. Whose fault is it that we didn't have another PG? Hint: It's not Markus or the Hausers.
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Two things about this.
1. Hell yes he can tell Markus to pass the ball. What does not having another PG have to do with it?
2. Whose fault is it that we didn't have another PG? Hint: It's not Markus or the Hausers.
Who was the one who evaluated Chartouny? Then again was it a bad evaluation, or did Wojo just not give him a chance to be the primary ballhandler?
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I think it was a bad evaluation, but he wasn't brought in to be the primary ball handler. I never thought that he would start unless he ended up being fantastic.
When Joe C. was in the game and brought the ball off, he still gave it to Markus to initiate the offense when both were on the court. Ditto Sam. I have a feeling we are saying that others will be the point guard because we want that to happen. But I really doubt it does.
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Chartouny was a decent player on a bad A-10 team. The thought was being surrounded by better talent would help him, as he would not have to do everything himself. He had his moments. 2 more SOTG's than Joey. Just not quick enough or confident enough for the Big East.
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Wojo is back on Twitter? Has he shared any pearls of wisdom?
Yeah, "play angry,"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo
That was strange. First Wojo interrupts Sacar as he is answering his question, almost to get him to stop. Then Sacar leaves with a comment by Wojo that at first glance looks sarcastic, but in retrospect obviously not.
Yeah you just don't do that if you're Sacar unless you are really pissed. It was the only time he got to answer a question and his coach cuts him off.
Wow. That was pretty telling and uncomfortable. I had watched it at the time and didn't think too much of it. I didn't take Wojo's comment as critical of Sacar, but I suppose in the context of what we know now he may be thinking, "yeah, I'd love to be aggressive more often if I ever saw the ball on a regular basis..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo
That was strange. First Wojo interrupts Sacar as he is answering his question, almost to get him to stop. Then Sacar leaves with a comment by Wojo that at first glance looks sarcastic, but in retrospect obviously not.
Yeah you just don't do that if you're Sacar unless you are really pissed. It was the only time he got to answer a question and his coach cuts him off.
Totally agree. It was weird and looked like a player who’d lost all respect for the coach. I also thought (admittedly reading into it possibly too deep) his almost defiant tone and explanation of how Markus is a complete basketball player and a great teammate were interesting. He was almost trying to ram that point down people’s throats
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Totally agree. It was weird and looked like a player who’d lost all respect for the coach. I also thought (admittedly reading into it possibly too deep) his almost defiant tone and explanation of how Markus is a complete basketball player and a great teammate were interesting. He was almost trying to ram that point down people’s throats
Or maybe he had to take a crap?
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The comments of outside influence being harmful to the team were interesting as well. Didn't think much of it at the time, but another interesting tidbit that Wojo may have known something was going on.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo
That was strange. First Wojo interrupts Sacar as he is answering his question, almost to get him to stop. Then Sacar leaves with a comment by Wojo that at first glance looks sarcastic, but in retrospect obviously not.
Yeah you just don't do that if you're Sacar unless you are really pissed. It was the only time he got to answer a question and his coach cuts him off.
Reading too much into this.
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Totally agree. It was weird and looked like a player who’d lost all respect for the coach. I also thought (admittedly reading into it possibly too deep) his almost defiant tone and explanation of how Markus is a complete basketball player and a great teammate were interesting. He was almost trying to ram that point down people’s throats
Markus seemed uncomfortable and very rehearsed. Answered every question the same way, thanking his teammates for making his individual accomplishments possible.
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Reading too much into this.
Do you have knowledge of this, or is that simply your interpretation?
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Reading too much into this.
Someone's head is planted in the sand.
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Reading too much into this.
Were you the guy in the video who started talking around the 3:30 mark?
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Markus seemed uncomfortable and very rehearsed. Answered every question the same way, thanking his teammates for making his individual accomplishments possible.
or that's his true nature...thanking God and his teammates.
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Two things about this.
1. Hell yes he can tell Markus to pass the ball. What does not having another PG have to do with it?
2. Whose fault is it that we didn't have another PG? Hint: It's not Markus or the Hausers.
Wojo not leading. He let strategy(maybe tactics) trump culture. He was willing to let Markus do what he wanted. Wojo was ok with that as long as they won. They won that way for a while but what was the cost? I’m still in Wojo’s camp for now, partly because we can’t get rid of him now. He has to win with what he has next year or ........
Just my opinion, I wish good things for Joey and Sam and great things for MU hoops!
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This original post by jon/keefe is absolutely terrible and so wrong on so many levels that i am going to leave it at that.
In specific regard to the Hausers leaving; we were 24-3? At one point. If we finish the season well and the Hausers leave they are selfish hairy wet cats. If they were not going to leave at 24-3 and left because of a 6 game swoon that they were hugely to blame for then they are huge fin hairy wet cats.
To put it in jons terms... everyone wants to blame the soldiers that stayed in the foxhole and battled, yet jon and some want to support the two that wanted to frag the platoon leader.
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heres the thing. we have a poster who said his friend emailed him after having lunch with the hauser parents the day markus announced he was coming back. he relayed much of what has been stated as "fact" by those "in the know" about a letter, etc. the first thing he said is that the hauser parents said they were REALLY hoping markus was gone. WHAT?! not some kid who is constantly getting into trouble, suspended, being a bad influence on his younger teammates, getting into fights on the court, not taking his academics seriously. just an all american and all time great scorer at marquette who was being used a lot and was getting a lot of media attention. huge red flag to me. theyre not selfish and just want to win but they REALLY want their best player leaving for the nba. sheesh. then says that an instagram post was the last straw for the hausers. talk about soft? an instagram post? and then goes on to claim that wojo and their trust in his ability to coach the team was the problem and it wasnt about markus. so wojo wouldve magically found some awesome coaching ability had markus left? if those two had lost their faith in wojo as a coach and it wasnt about markus, what difference does it make if markus is back at marquette or not, so much so that you REALLY hoped he was gone?
what a mess.
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The parents wanted the allamerican to leave so their children could be the stars. I dont give a crap if hes an all american or the walkon if another player wants him gone thats is pathetic and should be refused by the coach. A player doesnt make roster decisions, playing time etc. self entitled on the parents or players part. Gtf out of the orogram shoukd have been wojos reaction, thats what AL would have said, he would have lost it!! All the whining n crying on the court by the Hausers is now seen in a new light.
I dont believe the letter or the lunch but any direction u turn the Hausers look horrible. And those that want to blame Wojo unequivocally look stupid.
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Looks like Scoop has found its very own magic loogie film.
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Finally, after all the crazy crap that has been posted about the Hauser's departure, two posts that make absolute sense!
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or that's his true nature...thanking God and his teammates.
Maybe. It's just looked/sounded forced and robotic to me.
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Maybe. It's just looked/sounded forced and robotic to me.
This will not be received well on a Marquette board on Good Friday but every athlete in any sport thanking God looks forced and robotic.
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Someone's head is planted in the sand.
Or firmly up his ass
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Frag the platoonn leader, right jon?
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Maybe. It's just looked/sounded forced and robotic to me.
Or maybe it's because he says it 30-40 times week when someone tells him what a great player he is. I bet it's the first thing he says next year too in every interview. I bet that some will think it's rehearsed and robotic still.....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTycOhg2nZo
That was strange. First Wojo interrupts Sacar as he is answering his question, almost to get him to stop. Then Sacar leaves with a comment by Wojo that at first glance looks sarcastic, but in retrospect obviously not.
Yeah you just don't do that if you're Sacar unless you are really pissed. It was the only time he got to answer a question and his coach cuts him off.
Definitely was weird.
Wojo IMHO didn't really "cut off" Sacar, who seemed done answering the question to me. Did Sacar take what Wojo said -- we play at another level when he's driving and making good decisions -- as criticism? Did he think Wojo was implying that he usually is passive and/or doesn't make good decisions? Was he generally po'ed at Wojo and stormed off? Or did he merely have to go for some reason?
Markus did sound like a robot, and was that way for much of the season. Some guys don't do the postgame pressers great; he's been much better in 1-on-1 interviews I've seen. In some ways, it's a shame that he felt that he always had to answer every question with praise for his teammates; he felt that if he actually answered questions about himself, he'd be nailed for sounding selfish.
Wojo was fine at this presser. Even praised Sam and Joey's defense!
It certainly is possible that stuff already was cooking before this.
I guess we now have to look back at every little thing that happened this season in the context of how it would affect or how it was affected by the unrest at the end.
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I watched this expecting some great clarity on the Wojo vs. the team debate....I got nothing. I didn't think Wojo said anything bad. I don't think Sacar said anything bad. Maybe Sacar got up in a huff because of some interpreted slight. Maybe he had to take a duece. Anyone in the room who could actually see Sacar?
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If Al really, truly felt he was correct in instituting a team strategy/style/lineup and had an all American leading that team.... And 2 players came to Al and said "him and this current team strategy/style or us".. what do you honestly think Al would have said to them?
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If Al really, truly felt he was correct in instituting a team strategy/style/lineup and had an all American leading that team.... And 2 players came to Al and said "him and this current team strategy/style or us".. what do you honestly think Al would have said to them?
That's a good one. When asked if Allie would start, didn't Al say something like, "Of course! He's my son!" When asked why Allie was playing over the more talented George Frazier, didn't Al say something like, "Because I'm sleeping with Allie's mother"?
Preferential treatment has gone on as long as sports have existed.
Phil Jackson wrote an entire chapter on him giving Michael preferential treatment. The Bulls had curfew, but Michael was out gambling until 4 a.m.
I saw Tim Hardaway go 0-for-17 in a game. Yep ... he was 0-for-16 ... and Nellie still gave him the green light to shoot a 17th time.
In the NBA the last 5 years (at least) stars have gotten to sit out entire games for "rest." Screw the fan who paid $200 for his ticket, and screw the "integrity" of the game. But it was always stars who were rested, not the role players.
Back in the NFL's more raucous days, coaches would look the other way and let their stars with hangovers skip practice or sleepwalk through practice. Hell, even today, stars are allowed to keep playing even if they are domestic abusers ... at least until the tape surfaces.
When my daughter was in high school, the team's two best players (who happened to be cousins) decided they didn't like the system the coach used. So they quit the team. After a terrible start to the season, they reconsidered, and the coach let them back on. The coach was then fired after the season and (IMHO) a worse coach was hired.
Etc, etc, etc. If any of us really thinks about it, we probably can come up with a dozen examples of preferential treatment for stars.
As I told my middle-school team, "I'll always treat everybody fairly, but that doesn't mean I will treat you equally."
And again, as I have said repeatedly, I think Wojo effed up royally here. But let's not act like the star getting preferential treatment is something new.
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He can't tell a guy like Marcus Howard to pass the ball man...
Why not?
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If Al really, truly felt he was correct in instituting a team strategy/style/lineup and had an all American leading that team.... And 2 players came to Al and said "him and this current team strategy/style or us".. what do you honestly think Al would have said to them?
Al recruited an all american in Meminger and told him they would run uptempo. When he got here, Al convinced Dean to run a control the tempo, defensive first style. seems simple enough to me-- they both wanted to win.
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That's a good one. When asked if Allie would start, didn't Al say something like, "Of course! He's my son!" When asked why Allie was playing over the more talented George Frazier, didn't Al say something like, "Because I'm sleeping with Allie's mother"?
I don't know if Sugar Frazier was more talented than Allie (close call) but he wasn't as good a basketball player. The story (told by Al on the banquet circuit) is that George approached Al and asked why Allie was starting ahead of him. "I'm just as good as Allie", Sugar asserted. Jokingly Al replied, "That's my son, Sugar - if you're gonna beat him out it's gotta be a KO. He wins all ties!"
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If Al really, truly felt he was correct in instituting a team strategy/style/lineup and had an all American leading that team.... And 2 players came to Al and said "him and this current team strategy/style or us".. what do you honestly think Al would have said to them?
Al had a lot of players superior to Markus Howard - I'm sure none of them came close to the 40% usage Markus had. If they even tried to get close to that number they wouldn't have been playing.
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U guys are missing the point. Al always had his star treatment. If twonplayers cane in and told Al that they did not like the way Al was treating them in deference to his star, AL would have told them to get the hell out of his office. That he made the calls
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Al recruited an all american in Meminger and told him they would run uptempo. When he got here, Al convinced Dean to run a control the tempo, defensive first style. seems simple enough to me-- they both wanted to win.
Not an answer.
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Al had a lot of players superior to Markus Howard - I'm sure none of them came close to the 40% usage Markus had. If they even tried to get close to that number they wouldn't have been playing.
That's not an answer
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As an extension of my question post...
I do think Wojo is to (mostly) blame here. He's the coach/CEO/adult in the room. It never should have come down to an ultimatum (if the rumors are true).
But, what he did when the ultimatum was made (apparently, it's Markus or us), was the correct decision. AL would have done the same thing, if all the descriptions of him are accurate (I wasn't alive when he was coaching)
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That's not an answer
You asked a dumb, unfair question. Al would never have instituted such a system. He would have agreed with anyone who said that kind of system was counter productive and would cause unrest among the players.
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Al had a very defined system and all players knew their roles. Now, there obviously were hiccups with guys from time to time, but it was very clear system.
Asking what Al would have done is a silly question. Different time, different level coach and very different talent pool within the program. Al had stars playing roles and they bought into it. It sadly appears that Wojo has struggled getting the buy in from his team.
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Al had a very defined system and all players knew their roles. Now, there obviously were hiccups with guys from time to time, but it was very clear system.
Asking what Al would have done is a silly question. Different time, different level coach and very different talent pool within the program. Al had stars playing roles and they bought into it. It sadly appears that Wojo has struggled getting the buy in from his team.
Goose talks around tge answer. When Toone told Al he wasnt getting the ball enough Al got in a fist fight with him. Would u have preferred Wojo got in a fust fight with brothers Hauser?
This is simply another opportunity for those that dont like Wojo to attack him. I personally like it, wojo is the coach he makes his decisions n lives with them. Personally i think we r gonna be pretty good next year, defense most likely takes another huge step forward
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You asked a dumb, unfair question. Al would never have instituted such a system. He would have agreed with anyone who said that kind of system was counter productive and would cause unrest among the players.
Okay....
If Al was 100% sure about something in his program (academics, oncourt strategy, practice policy, etc, etc) and a player said "change that or I'm leaving", what would Al's reaction have been?
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Al had a very defined system and all players knew their roles. Now, there obviously were hiccups with guys from time to time, but it was very clear system.
Asking what Al would have done is a silly question. Different time, different level coach and very different talent pool within the program. Al had stars playing roles and they bought into it. It sadly appears that Wojo has struggled getting the buy in from his team.
So if a player disagreed with Al over something within Al's program that Al 100% believed in, and that player told Al "change this or I'm leaving", what would Al have said?
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Goose talks around tge answer. When Toone told Al he wasnt getting the ball enough Al got in a fist fight with him. Would u have preferred Wojo got in a fust fight with brothers Hauser?
Toone was a freshman who balked at Al's system. So he didn't start and it pissed him off. Al didn't mind if you mouthed off, but if you did somebody was going to end up with a torn shirt and a bloody nose. Different times. "Fust" fights get you fired today.
Al had a system. His players all knew what it was. You followed it or you sat.
Wojo has a system too. 4 out, 1 in - as in 4 guys get out of the way of the 1 guy who's "in". Follow it or transfer.
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Al had a very defined system and all players knew their roles. Now, there obviously were hiccups with guys from time to time, but it was very clear system.
Asking what Al would have done is a silly question. Different time, different level coach and very different talent pool within the program. Al had stars playing roles and they bought into it. It sadly appears that Wojo has struggled getting the buy in from his team.
Al had the "Star System". "We take care of our own".
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Asking what Al would have done is a silly question. Different time, different level coach and very different talent pool within the program. Al had stars playing roles and they bought into it. It sadly appears that Wojo has struggled getting the buy in from his team.
I think this is one of the more accurate statements I've seen the past few days. Whatever the reasons, whatever the alleged drama, Wojo didn't guy buy in from some, all, or most of the players. When it was working well, we had a top 10 team, but the buy in wasn't there to sustain. It is the coaching staff's responsibility to get that buy in.
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So if a player disagreed with Al over something within Al's program that Al 100% believed in, and that player told Al "change this or I'm leaving", what would Al have said?
EXCELLENT POST...AND THREAD. Nothing for me to add here. You both nailed it.
I hold all you say to be true...I am speechless because I agree 100%. Good stuff...Goose.
And Lenny on the AL comments...dead stop on. Those were different times. That is exactly what would have happened with Al McGuire running the team.
I also liked the 4 and out vs the 1 in and 4 out analogy used. Wojo came from Duke where that was the case...
The Hauser's just happened to be here when they did not have a strong PG like AL always did to spearhead his system like Butch Lee and Dean Meminger and Lloyd Walton so that the other players fit in the roles that they were best in.
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I think this is one of the more accurate statements I've seen the past few days. Whatever the reasons, whatever the alleged drama, Wojo didn't guy buy in from some, all, or most of the players. When it was working well, we had a top 10 team, but the buy in wasn't there to sustain. It is the coaching staff's responsibility to get that buy in.
It is not a "silly question" at all. In fact, it helps shed light and explain a great deal.
It is silly to those that do not know what Goose or Lenny are saying...and I do. Basketball is basketball...
What do you mean, whatever the reason? Those post just gave you the reason in contrast or comparison of the two eras and coaches, and systems and teams from then to now.
It's all connected. There was no such thing as transfers back then in the 70's so leaving like a baby was not an option. And there was no 1 and done system.
And if you were really good or itching to get to the Pro's you stayed out your 4 years until at least your junior year. So you knew coming in that if you did not like a coach or a system
In fact, it would be interesting to answer if any of you an go back to Al McGuire...no let me make a thread about this...hold on...
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WHO OR WHICH MU PLAYER IN LAST 7 YEARS COULD HAVE PLAYED FOR 'AL?'
I there are not many and I only bring this up because of the use of the comparison used here in this thread on Wojo vs AL.
I think that Al McGuire would have really liked ALL of the players that Buzz Williams had recruited and Tom Crean.
Jerel McNeal 'Al' would have loved and was like Butch Lee, . . . I might come back to this later as I do not want to hijack the previous posts but it is very tantalizing to consider.
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a strong PG like AL always did to spearhead his system like Butch Lee and Dean Meminger and Lloyd Walton so that the other players fit in the roles that they were best in.
Butch was a 2. Walton and Boylan played the 1 during his time at MU.
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Using some fictional Al McGuire scenario that never did and never would’ve happened as a way to try and prop Wojo up is dumb.
Here’s the real question: Would Jay Wright have voted for Al as BE COY? I think not, folks. Therefore Wojo is greater than or at least equal to Al.
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Al had a very defined system and all players knew their roles. Now, there obviously were hiccups with guys from time to time, but it was very clear system.
Asking what Al would have done is a silly question. Different time, different level coach and very different talent pool within the program. Al had stars playing roles and they bought into it. It sadly appears that Wojo has struggled getting the buy in from his team.
Excellent ...
But I will say this and not dominate the thread any longer...
Al had the right guys at the most important position [PG] that made the others all fall in line.
You can't always blame Wojo and the coaches! That is what all of you in here seem to be doing. It's not that simple...
You have to blame the players because THEY WERE WINNING WITH WHAT THEY WERE DOING.....and then they stopped after a tough loss and splitting up.
Unfortunate. But time to move on.
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HoopsFan2
You should do some research on Al’s teams before making references to that era. That said, I am happy you posted regarding the type of player Al had in his program. Al had the right guys at all positions, but did have PG covered in big time way. Again, Al had system and recruited to match that system.
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I don't know if Sugar Frazier was more talented than Allie (close call) but he wasn't as good a basketball player. The story (told by Al on the banquet circuit) is that George approached Al and asked why Allie was starting ahead of him. "I'm just as good as Allie", Sugar asserted. Jokingly Al replied, "That's my son, Sugar - if you're gonna beat him out it's gotta be a KO. He wins all ties!"
Verbatim and exactly right, Lenny Man!
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1. What Al would have done 40+ years ago is largely irrelevant. Different era requires different skills
2. People are largely correct that if players came to him and demanded a change, he would have not reacted well.
3. But Al would have handled the entire situation better. He would have had a better pulse of his team.
4. But if a three year starter and his brother announced they were leaving, Al would be given the benefit of the doubt because Al was a much better coach than Wojo is now.
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1. What Al would have done 40+ years ago is largely irrelevant. Different era requires different skills
2. People are largely correct that if players came to him and demanded a change, he would have not reacted well.
3. But Al would have handled the entire situation better. He would have had a better pulse of his team.
4. But if a three year starter and his brother announced they were leaving, Al would be given the benefit of the doubt because Al was a much better coach than Wojo is now.
That's all I'm trying to say.
The other 3 points here are exactly spot on.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm not trying to prop wojo up or explain away what has happened. It should never have come to the ultimatum, but when it did, he made the right decision.
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OK, what did Buzz do when a player (and his father) told Buzz that the offense should be run though said player? This isn't hypothetical. It happened. Did Buzz capitulate? Did Buzz have enough credibility then? Did the season continue? How about the next? Explain the difference.
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OK, what did Buzz do when a player (and his father) told Buzz that the offense should be run though said player? This isn't hypothetical. It happened. Did Buzz capitulate? Did Buzz have enough credibility then? Did the season continue? How about the next? Explain the difference.
They are different scenarios because there wasn’t 3 years of history with everything being ‘fine’. If Buzz kicked butler to the curb his rising sr year (after only 2 years of history) people would have howled. It speaks to something bigger than the final confrontation.
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OK, what did Buzz do when a player (and his father) told Buzz that the offense should be run though said player? This isn't hypothetical. It happened. Did Buzz capitulate? Did Buzz have enough credibility then? Did the season continue? How about the next? Explain the difference.
Thank you.
Coaches shouldn't give into player's threats/demands.
(This does not absolve anything with wojos program leading up to the Hauser ultimatum)
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OK, what did Buzz do when a player (and his father) told Buzz that the offense should be run though said player? This isn't hypothetical. It happened. Did Buzz capitulate? Did Buzz have enough credibility then? Did the season continue? How about the next? Explain the difference.
The difference is...everyone seems to think that this is what happened with the Hauser situation..It isn't. They didn't need/expect the offense to be run through them(and dad wasn't involved), it was as simple as Wojo's failure to reign Markus in, especially late in the season.
Which honestly, you have to wonder why he didn't..he "reigned" in Rowsey 2 years ago when he was jack happy. Sat him to start a game and after that, he was much more of a distributor than he had been. And we never heard about any complaints from players that prompted that change, so you can assume Wojo realized it was a problem on his own, and changed it before it became a bigger issue.
But in this instance, he had several diff players, several different times go to him about reigning Markus in, and each time, he failed to do so. That's his own f'n fault.
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The difference is...everyone seems to think that this is what happened with the Hauser situation..It isn't. They didn't need/expect the offense to be run through them(and dad wasn't involved), it was as simple as Wojo's failure to reign Markus in, especially late in the season.
Which honestly, you have to wonder why he didn't..he "reigned" in Rowsey 2 years ago when he was jack happy. Sat him to start a game and after that, he was much more of a distributor than he had been. And we never heard about any complaints from players that prompted that change, so you can assume Wojo realized it was a problem on his own, and changed it before it became a bigger issue.
But in this instance, he had several diff players, several different times go to him about reigning Markus in, and each time, he failed to do so. That's his own f'n fault.
Yup
And then when a player made an ultimatum, much like happened with buzz, the player was sent packing.
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OK, what did Buzz do when a player (and his father) told Buzz that the offense should be run though said player? This isn't hypothetical. It happened. Did Buzz capitulate? Did Buzz have enough credibility then? Did the season continue? How about the next? Explain the difference.
Maymon was a college freshman non starter six games into his Marquette experience when his FATHER (not him) insisted on a meeting with the coaching staff. He demanded that his son start, that the son play a different position and that the offense run through his son. Buzz threw Tim Maymon out of his office and kicked Jeronne off of the team. Jerome (literally) cried and begged to be reinstated. Buzz said no. To my knowledge nobody on the team thought Tim Maymon's demands had even a scintilla of merit to them.
Sam was a 3 year starter who had played more than 100 games at Marquette. He was an established star and leader. Wojo had sufficiently sold him on his "The strength of our team is our team" concept that he helped recruit his brother to MU. Over time special treatment for one player both on and off the court made Sam, his brother and other team members feel that the concept was nothing more than a slogan without any meaning. Team meetings were held, promises were made but nothing changed. Two of our best players decided they couldn't take it any more and announced their transfer. Maybe others will follow, maybe not - but it's pretty clear others are disgruntled too.
Hope that explains the difference.
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They didn't need/expect the offense to be run through them(and dad wasn't involved
How do we know that "dad wasn't involved"?
Just asking, so don't bite my head off. I don't know that Papa Hauser was involved, although the quotes from the high school coach sure seem to talk about discontent with the parents.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about the situation to say that Daddy and Mommy were or weren't involved, but apparently you are somehow?
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This talk of “the strength of our team is our team” being an empty slogan reminds me of when Wojo called the white tee shirt thing a gimmick after the team seemed to buy in during Henry’s year.
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OK, what did Buzz do when a player (and his father) told Buzz that the offense should be run though said player? This isn't hypothetical. It happened. Did Buzz capitulate? Did Buzz have enough credibility then? Did the season continue? How about the next? Explain the difference.
You need to understand the underlying causes and issues before you begin making obtuse comparisons.
Comparing Tim Maymon to Dave and Stephanie Hauser is both churlish and insulting to a fine family.
This isn't one of your insipid ten observations lists you post within seconds of the final buzzer of each Marquette game. This is a life altering event that was taken with considerable deliberation by good people who had legitimate concerns about the coach.
Instead of listening and understanding their concerns, which were not centered on how many times their sons got the ball by the way, Wojo patronized them with trite, banal platitudes which trivialized their feelings.
And it's not just the Hausers. Wojo has a major mutiny going on - we could lose many more.
Your comparison of Tim Maymon with the Hauser family is not just flawed intellectually but deeply repulsive. Like your Top Ten lists it is both tedious and unremarkable.
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Al recruited an all american in Meminger and told him they would run uptempo. When he got here, Al convinced Dean to run a control the tempo, defensive first style. seems simple enough to me-- they both wanted to win.
Very well said.
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Al recruited an all american in Meminger and told him they would run uptempo. When he got here, Al convinced Dean to run a control the tempo, defensive first style. seems simple enough to me-- they both wanted to win.
This implies that in our current situation, either Wojo, Markus, or both don’t want to win. So which one of them is it?
Or do only the poor mis-used Hauser brothers want to win? Or are they the only ones that can suss out how to best win games with current roster?
Either question is really laughable if you step back from the emotions involved, don’t you think?
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Through his actions/non-actions, Wojo has lost his team. Terrible characteristic of a leader and one that, in my opinion because of the scope of mistrust, is not retrievable.
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Through his actions/non-actions, Wojo has lost his team. Terrible characteristic of a leader and one that, in my opinion because of the scope of mistrust, is not retrievable.
Although I hope you're wrong, I'm pretty sure you're right. I don't know how Wojo's program recovers from this.
What would you do about it now?
Tear off the Band-Aid by firing Wojo immediately and then either promoting an assistant or hiring a guy like Matta? Not many other options (other than keeping Wojo as part of a "show us" season) that I can see.
I'm actually asking for speculation, because based on everything I've read and heard, there seems to be about 0.00001% chance of MU firing Wojo.
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I'd make a coaching change and the sooner, the better. May have to promote an assistant now on a temporary basis.
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I'd make a coaching change and the sooner, the better. May have to promote an assistant now on a temporary basis.
I'm not 100% sure I'd choose that option, but if it happened I wouldn't object.
My only problem is that it is difficult bordering on impossible for an interim coach to recruit, and there sure seems to be some nice 2020 recruits that are attainable. But then again, might be impossible for a tainted Wojo to land them, too.
Thanks for the conversation.
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Although I hope you're wrong, I'm pretty sure you're right. I don't know how Wojo's program recovers from this.
What would you do about it now?
There's a lot more here than we have seen and read so far. The public speculation notwithstanding along with the rumors and innuendos lead me to believe there are very heavy dark clouds around the MU program -- and unlike West Bend Insurance, there's no silver lining.
From the Hauser standpoint, the one thing I noticed as Joey played is that there was some growing up to do in his part. You have a young man who had star treatment all his life suddenly finding out he might possibly not even be our starting forward next year. He had weaknesses that were noticeable and hurting our team. Instead of fixing his problem and making himself indispensable, he runs. Sam, I still don't get. Period.
Regardless, this is a huge breakdown on Wojo's part. Either something was said, or not said, in the recruiting process or during the season that led Joey to believe he's a lot better than he showed last year. Maybe he is, but it's up to a coach to get what the team needs from each player. The fact that things broke down so badly that the Hausers up and left is something that not only will be a deterrent to our dreams next year but I have to believe dramatically will impair the 2020 recruiting class.
As to the discussions about Al McGuire, the only think I believe having watched Marquette basketball for close to 53 years is that under Coach McGuire, the Hauser problem never would have happened. Either Joey would never have come to Marquette or he would have done what Al wanted. Al once was fond of telling a recruit, "I'm going to win with you or without you!" Another Al legend was a time during the protests over the Vietnam war when he simply looked at some kids and said, "you aren't Marquette Basketball... I am."
The point: Leadership starts and ends with the Head Coach. That's Count 1 against Coach Wojo.
I'm sure the Hausers are good young men who simply want to play basketball and, perhaps, make a living doing it. I hope we can fix the problem but if we can't, then move to cut your losses quickly.
Thad Matta... you're up!
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This thread is so stupid, MU lost two self absorbed malcontents and u guys are ready to fire tge coach n shut down the program. What bunch of losers. Ive fained respect fir Wojo from this whole deal. F the Hausers, gtf out!! Glad to see Wojo said the same thing. Program bigger than those two selfish bitches.
Doesnt appear losing teo unathketic crybabies has hurt recruiting too much. As we have half a dozen ir more in homes with Top 50 kids lined up.
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Sand Knit
Even if everything you say is correct, how could anyone be happy that we lost two guys that likely will end up at a top tier program? Furthermore, to be counting on a kid some thought might transfer to Detroit is beyond insanity.
As for visits with top 50 kids, that is great if you land them. Some on here fear that negative talk on Scoop can scare away recruits, how about two top players leaving going into “the year” many believed was going to be “The Year” for the program?
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There's a lot more here than we have seen and read so far. The public speculation notwithstanding along with the rumors and innuendos lead me to believe there are very heavy dark clouds around the MU program -- and unlike West Bend Insurance, there's no silver lining.
From the Hauser standpoint, the one thing I noticed as Joey played is that there was some growing up to do in his part. You have a young man who had star treatment all his life suddenly finding out he might possibly not even be our starting forward next year. He had weaknesses that were noticeable and hurting our team. Instead of fixing his problem and making himself indispensable, he runs. Sam, I still don't get. Period.
Regardless, this is a huge breakdown on Wojo's part. Either something was said, or not said, in the recruiting process or during the season that led Joey to believe he's a lot better than he showed last year. Maybe he is, but it's up to a coach to get what the team needs from each player. The fact that things broke down so badly that the Hausers up and left is something that not only will be a deterrent to our dreams next year but I have to believe dramatically will impair the 2020 recruiting class.
As to the discussions about Al McGuire, the only think I believe having watched Marquette basketball for close to 53 years is that under Coach McGuire, the Hauser problem never would have happened. Either Joey would never have come to Marquette or he would have done what Al wanted. Al once was fond of telling a recruit, "I'm going to win with you or without you!" Another Al legend was a time during the protests over the Vietnam war when he simply looked at some kids and said, "you aren't Marquette Basketball... I am."
The point: Leadership starts and ends with the Head Coach. That's Count 1 against Coach Wojo.
I'm sure the Hausers are good young men who simply want to play basketball and, perhaps, make a living doing it. I hope we can fix the problem but if we can't, then move to cut your losses quickly.
Thad Matta... you're up!
I really appreciate this comment, dg.
You hold Wojo accountable and you want to move the program forward. Yet you do not absolve the Hausers of the role they had in this and you do not throw Markus under the bus.
It's a nuanced, grown-up, no-name-calling look at a complex situation that is difficult for everybody who loves Marquette basketball.
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I really appreciate this comment, dg.
You hold Wojo accountable and you want to move the program forward. Yet you do not absolve the Hausers of the role they had in this and you do not throw Markus under the bus.
It's a nuanced, grown-up, no-name-calling look at a complex situation that is difficult for everybody who loves Marquette basketball.
You are welcome.
I’d like to think we can get pass this one. That the recruiting trail looks promising.
But in a sales battle to the death where small intangibles can make a universe sized difference, I fear for the worst. Heck, while I don’t sell to 17 year olds, I sell all the time and I’ve seen how little things can balloon into massive reasons for doing something that’s not in the seller’s interests. Or the buyer’s.
That’s why I calling the Hauser problem, Wojo’s Dumpster Fire.
The buck stops with Wojo. Period.
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I'd make a coaching change and the sooner, the better. May have to promote an assistant now on a temporary basis.
Think the only positive about the hausers leaving is that 4never has finally found the queen's English.
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This implies that in our current situation, either Wojo, Markus, or both don’t want to win. So which one of them is it?
Or do only the poor mis-used Hauser brothers want to win? Or are they the only ones that can suss out how to best win games with current roster?
Either question is really laughable if you step back from the emotions involved, don’t you think?
Exactly, it essentially becomes the anti wojo people saying he handled it wrong
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Through his actions/non-actions, Wojo has lost his team. Terrible characteristic of a leader and one that, in my opinion because of the scope of mistrust, is not retrievable.
Sooooooo soooooo stupid
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Sand Knit
Even if everything you say is correct, how could anyone be happy that we lost two guys that likely will end up at a top tier program? Furthermore, to be counting on a kid some thought might transfer to Detroit is beyond insanity.
As for visits with top 50 kids, that is great if you land them. Some on here fear that negative talk on Scoop can scare away recruits, how about two top players leaving going into “the year” many believed was going to be “The Year” for the program?
Were u being this big of a jacka$$ abd calling fir Creans head when ODB transferred for similarly selfish reasons? Had Crean lost tge program? Odd that hes lost the program because two brothers left but not the other 11
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Think the only positive about the hausers leaving is that 4never has finally found the queen's English.
Totally pissed off, aina?
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Think the only positive about the hausers leaving is that 4never has finally found the queen's English.
This is a queen
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This is the Queen
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Sand Knut
I am 99% certain you have 0% understanding of my position on current situation or past situations. For the record, if Wojo had the greatest player in a storied history returning next season, the Hauser defection would have different meaning.
We lost two top players because a non top ten player in school history is being overused. There is zero comparison in the ODB transfer and current situation.
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Sand Knut
I am 99% certain you have 0% understanding of my position on current situation or past situations. For the record, if Wojo had the greatest player in a storied history returning next season, the Hauser defection would have different meaning.
We lost two top players because a non top ten player in school history is being overused. There is zero comparison in the ODB transfer and current situation.
Joe
Trying to reason with guys like Sandy is a waste of time.
I love how the self-proclaimed hoops experts here have no clue as to what is happening. The speculation without empiricism is laughable.
Thank God for the Meat Eating Underboard!
Hey, did you get a chance to try Bombano's place on the Bund?
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Crash
Did not make it to Bimbano’s joint. Was going to take my nephew there on Wednesday night and he was delayed getting into Shanghai. The menu looks awesome and I will get there when back late next month.
Back to ball, thankfully Stan shut the door on couple more guys taking an early exit. The level of distrust is awfully high amongst the troops.
Happy Easter to you and the fella’s.
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You need to understand the underlying causes and issues before you begin making obtuse comparisons.
Comparing Tim Maymon to Dave and Stephanie Hauser is both churlish and insulting to a fine family.
This isn't one of your insipid ten observations lists you post within seconds of the final buzzer of each Marquette game. This is a life altering event that was taken with considerable deliberation by good people who had legitimate concerns about the coach.
Instead of listening and understanding their concerns, which were not centered on how many times their sons got the ball by the way, Wojo patronized them with trite, banal platitudes which trivialized their feelings.
And it's not just the Hausers. Wojo has a major mutiny going on - we could lose many more.
Your comparison of Tim Maymon with the Hauser family is not just flawed intellectually but deeply repulsive. Like your Top Ten lists it is both tedious and unremarkable.
You never want the prisoners running the asylum. For any reason. Even if the warden might be wrong in his philosophy, you still don't want that. It's just opinion, of course. And if the coach gives in to a player's ultimatum, he has now absolutely lost control.
If the warden's philosophy is wrong, eventually that warden will be replaced.
Also, attacking tower for posting post game thoughts is pretty low. At least his postings aren't plagiarized.
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You never want the prisoners running the asylum. For any reason. Even if the warden might be wrong in his philosophy, you still don't want that. It's just opinion, of course. And if the coach gives in to a player's ultimatum, he has now absolutely lost control.
If the warden's philosophy is wrong, eventually that warden will be replaced.
Also, attacking tower for posting post game thoughts is pretty low. At least his postings aren't plagiarized.
Comparing the Hausers to Tim Maymon is despicable. There is no excuse for doing that. Period. Certainly one of the lowest things ever written here.
Sorry but I never plagiarized anything in my life. That was Sultan's narrative and he's a toad.
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Certainly one of the lowest things ever written here.
Really?
Ners wrote a half-dozen lower posts than that per day, and we won't even talk about the foul-mouthed, spelling-challenged MSK.
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This thread is so stupid, MU lost two self absorbed malcontents and u guys are ready to fire tge coach n shut down the program. What bunch of losers. Ive fained respect fir Wojo from this whole deal. F the Hausers, gtf out!! Glad to see Wojo said the same thing. Program bigger than those two selfish bitches.
Doesnt appear losing teo unathketic crybabies has hurt recruiting too much. As we have half a dozen ir more in homes with Top 50 kids lined up.
Agree. Sam wanted more shots. Took his ball and his brother and went home.
Good riddance.
Wojo is the coach, not Sam and his dad.
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I'd make a coaching change and the sooner, the better. May have to promote an assistant now on a temporary basis.
Thad Matta.
Tanned, rested, ready.
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Thad Matta.
Tanned, rested, ready.
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Well, rested anyway.
We have no idea if he's ready. And most folks here didn't like the last coach who was tanned.
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1) Congrats on learning how to use giphy...and then using it on every post!
2) Funny that the Matta video has the Marquette Rutgers score from March 2013.
3) A Wendy's plug? Topper might end you for that.
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Thad Matta.
Tanned, rested, ready.
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As a follower of MUScoop I know wins no 'Matta"!
Wojo can go 0-25 and keep his job.
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As a follower of MUScoop I know wins no 'Matta"!
Wojo can go 0-25 and keep his job.
Not really.
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This talk of “the strength of our team is our team” being an empty slogan reminds me of when Wojo called the white tee shirt thing a gimmick after the team seemed to buy in during Henry’s year.
BINGO.
Wojo doesn't know how to lead. It was there for everyone to see all along.
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Comparing the Hausers to Tim Maymon is despicable. There is no excuse for doing that. Period. Certainly one of the lowest things ever written here.
Sorry but I never plagiarized anything in my life. That was Sultan's narrative and he's a toad.
You may think it is despicable, but from what I have heard the Hausers father did go to Wojo to complain about the situation. Mr. Hauser is not as flamboyant as Tim Maymon, but I think the comparison was to parents who go to the coach to complain about their son's usage on the team. Mr. Hauser may be a great guy, but he could also have gone to Wojo to complain.
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Comparing the Hausers to Tim Maymon is despicable. There is no excuse for doing that. Period. Certainly one of the lowest things ever written here.
Sorry but I never plagiarized anything in my life. That was Sultan's narrative and he's a toad.
What's actually despicable is you needing to make personal or tangential attacks on other posters because they have a different viewpoint than you.
But, again, ultimatums to a coach were given in both the Maymon and Hauser situation. In both situations, the coach did not cave. Which he shouldn't - at the point of ultimatum. I'm willing to stake my life that Al would not have given in to an ultimatum either.
Now, the details on how/why/based on what preceeded that ultimatum differed, but, IMO, no coach should give in to ultimatums from players or families.
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This thread is so stupid, MU lost two self absorbed malcontents and u guys are ready to fire tge coach n shut down the program. What bunch of losers. Ive fained respect fir Wojo from this whole deal. F the Hausers, gtf out!! Glad to see Wojo said the same thing. Program bigger than those two selfish bitches.
Doesnt appear losing teo unathketic crybabies has hurt recruiting too much. As we have half a dozen ir more in homes with Top 50 kids lined up.
People here are stuck in the ‘70s and can’t seem to grasp how a couple good ole kids from WI could possibly quit on their teammates. Get over it, because it happened...they simply QUIT!
Watch the Buffalo highlights in full....there’s a crazy step-back three from Markus that was so accurate the net barely moved. A wide open Sam shakes his head, and didn’t look like it was in disbelief...it looked more like “WTF was that?”
I truly believe that Markus meant it more than Sam when they both said that all they want to do is win. If you watch our bench during Markus’s heroics all season, they are constantly going crazy with support. If this “letter” charade really happened, it can only mean that a family from Stevens Point decided to imperil that chemistry by pitting teammate vs teammate...all while Marquette was in the midst of an incredible season. Nothing could be more selfish.
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Really?
Ners wrote a half-dozen lower posts than that per day, and we won't even talk about the foul-mouthed, spelling-challenged MSK.
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I don't know what Ners wrote. But I do know what Tower did. He compared Tim Maymon with Dave and Stephanie Hauser.
Tim Maymon is a psychotic, drug dealing, wife beating, larcenous felon. Maymon screamed and physically threatened female MU Athletic Department staff because they refused to give him tickets to a game at WI that he wasn't entitled to have. Maymon is a disgusting pig who has no place in civil society.
The Hausers are decent, honest, responsible, people. They were great representatives of the university in every possible manner.
For anyone to compare those fine people with a piece of garbage like Tim Maymon is reprehensible.
Let me ask you, Mike, aren't you disgusted by such a comparison? I know I am.
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I don't know what Ners wrote. But I do know what Tower did. He compared Tim Maymon with Dave and Stephanie Hauser.
Tim Maymon is a psychotic, drug dealing, wife beating, larcenous felon. Maymon screamed and physically threatened female MU Athletic Department staff because they refused to give him tickets to a game at WI that he wasn't entitled to have. Maymon is a disgusting pig who has no place in civil society.
The Hausers are decent, honest, responsible, people. They were great representatives of the university in every possible manner.
For anyone to compare those fine people with a piece of garbage like Tim Maymon is reprehensible.
Let me ask you, Mike, aren't you disgusted by such a comparison? I know I am.
Well u are apparently in the know and from what you have stated despite their different social standings they both behaved in similar manners in their overzealous desire to make their children the sole focus of the program. Good riddance to them both, seems they are more similar than u want to accept.
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Wojo is back on Twitter? Has he shared any pearls of wisdom?
He is?