MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 5DollarPitcher on April 15, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
-
Change my mind
-
its true, we have full blown DePaul level regression coming our way.
At least we can hope for a performance like Loyola once every 100 years with the help of an elderly nun praying the rosary 100 times a day for us to win.
-
I can not
-
Never liked this hire at any point from when it was announced through 4/15/19
-
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/indelibly
"making marks than cannot be erased, removed, or the like"
Programs can, and do rebuild after bad hires. If you had told someone at the end of the Dukiet era that we'd be in a SS with 5 years they'd have told you that you were crazy. One bad decision does not prevent good decisions from happening in the future. Wanna know who the head coach was at Virginia before Bennett?
-
We need to own that bad decision and get rid of him now before he causes any more damage.
-
Wojo will be gone within 12 months, book it.
If the hausers go to Madison he should be immediately fired.
The heir apparent to coach K??? loses two starters to greg freaking gard ??????? Pack the bags if that happens we should cut ties immediately. The program will be worse off than the buzz era exit but he aint the one. Gonna be a long time before we ever are competitive again.
-
We need to own that bad decision and get rid of him now before he causes any more damage.
I agree with this analysis. Get one of the assistants to be an interim, call next year a wash in terms of both on the court play and recruiting, and then bring in a guy like Rick Barnes (not him, obviously, but someone like him) who has a proven track record of being able to win anywhere he goes.
Wojo is a dead man walking.
-
its true, we have full blown DePaul level regression coming our way.
(http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Will-Ferrell-Thats-dumb.gif)
-
Wojo is toast, one way or another.
-
This board sucks
-
I was hoping we'd start another thread on how bad Wojo is, has been and always will be.
-
Wojo is toast, one way or another.
I think this is correct. My guess is that even after a successful year, he may bolt elsewhere.
-
I’m not sure about “indelibly marred” but next year is gonna be one bizarre season. The tone of the entire year has already been set. There’s zero chance of it being anything other than awkward and will likely be a total dumpster fire.
I seriously think Sam H was one of the most popular players Marquette has had in a number of years. I’m not a Howard fan, but he’s in a no win situation. He’ll set the all time scoring record to polite applause because his style of play ran off two very good players.
That record will stand for a good long time and serve as a constant reminder of this situation.
-
I’m not sure about “indelibly marred” but next year is gonna be one bizarre season. The tone of the entire year has already been set. There’s zero chance of it being anything other than awkward and will likely be a total dumpster fire.
I seriously think Sam H was one of the most popular players Marquette has had in a number of years. I’m not a Howard fan, but he’s in a no win situation. He’ll set the all time scoring record to polite applause because his style of play ran off two very good players.
That record will stand for a good long time and serve as a constant reminder of this situation.
It is going to be a weird season, no doubt. Plus, Wojo has shown to be pretty thin-skinned at times. How's he going to react with the heat really on?
From a basketball point-of-view, MU just lost their entire floor spacing with the Hausers leaving. That's huge. Now, coaches won't think twice to have their entire defense collapse on Markus when he drives.
-
The writing was on the wall during the tailspin and especially after the Murray State game, but many Scoopers simply refused to read it. I was surprised at the number of Scoopers (several of whom I have great respect for) being willing to put the meltdown portion of the season in a blender along with the 23-4 portion and declare that their pre season expectations were met. It's as if they were saying "Nothing to see here. Move on."
I was nervous before the Murray State game but thought the team would pull through and win, even though there were good reasons to doubt it. Then I saw Wojo's asinine "PLAY ANGRY" speech in the locker room and lost all confidence in a win.
-
Stupidest advice to give. Who does anything well when they are angry.
I'd rather go with "be quick, but don't hurry," hey?
-
I'll just say what I say to all Wojo detractors, "Replace Wojo with whom, exactly?
Wojo isn't going anywhere. I get he's the leader of the ship, but you can't control every decision by others.
-
If our pool of candidates after Buzz Williams (who went to five NCAA Tournaments, two Sweet 16s and an Elite Eight) was Shaka Smart, Cuonzo Martin, Ben Howland and Wojo, which experienced and successful head coach would the school be able to attract after five years of two NCAA appearances and zero tournament wins?
We would be, once again, looking at hiring an up-and-coming assistant or a head coach from a lower level league. In either case, we would be hitting the reset button in a less-than-ideal time for coaching searches.
-
This may be the tipping point. And the irony would be that he was done in by having too many good players returning. And that having a BEPOY/Second team AA ended up harming the team long term. And Wojo's coaching career. And led to a free fall due to the inevitable rebuild.
-
I'll just say what I say to all Wojo detractors, "Replace Wojo with whom, exactly?
Wojo isn't going anywhere. I get he's the leader of the ship, but you can't control every decision by others.
Literally anyone. This type of mediocrity is incredibly dangerous.
-
This may be the tipping point. And the irony would be that he was done in by having too many good players returning. And that having a BEPOY/Second team AA ended up harming the team long term. And Wojo's coaching career. And led to a free fall due to the inevitable rebuild.
The worst thing that can happen to coach is to lose your team. There's going to be times when the opponent is simply more talented, more experienced or even better coached. That happens.
But, for experienced team to blow-up (and that's exactly what has happened since mid-Feb.) and implode is sad to watch.
Again, this has been mentioned, but what exactly did Wojo take away from his years on the Duke bench? Managing talent, managing egos, expectations, playing time, etc., is what Coach K has been doing successfully for years.
-
If our pool of candidates after Buzz Williams (who went to five NCAA Tournaments, two Sweet 16s and an Elite Eight) was Shaka Smart, Cuonzo Martin, Ben Howland and Wojo, which experienced and successful head coach would the school be able to attract after five years of two NCAA appearances and zero tournament wins?
We would be, once again, looking at hiring an up-and-coming assistant or a head coach from a lower level league. In either case, we would be hitting the reset button in a less-than-ideal time for coaching searches.
Under the current administration, Marquette has focused on one thing......THE MISSION....and they have put that above all else. It's ironic that the first lay president in history seems to care far more about THE MISSION than any of his Jesuit predecessors but that is the direction they're taking the institution as a whole, not just the basketball program, so as long as the current administration remains the same, they will not hire anyone that is not 100% committed to THE MISSION or who's values they don't believe are aligned with it.
-
Literally anyone. This type of mediocrity is incredibly dangerous.
Literally anyone would mean, literally, even you or me.
Moot point. Wojo’s not leaving anytime soon. MU admins not thrilled with Hausers. Not a lot of heat on Wojo.
-
I'll just say what I say to all Wojo detractors, "Replace Wojo with whom, exactly?
Wojo isn't going anywhere. I get he's the leader of the ship, but you can't control every decision by others.
They can replace him with me. While I haven't coached much basketball, I have coached soccer and, coaching is coaching. I will take 1/10th the salary and actually coach the team. It can't be too hard. Unlike Wojo, I actually have a functioning brain.
-
Wojo is toast, one way or another.
I agree with this analysis
-
I'll just say what I say to all Wojo detractors, "Replace Wojo with whom, exactly?
Wojo isn't going anywhere. I get he's the leader of the ship, but you can't control every decision by others.
There are great coaches out there. The question is why do we settle for unproven assistant coaches? St. John`s at least tried. We seem to assume we are 3rd tier and can not recruit the best or just below. Look at Witchita State, South Carolina, any Hurley to start. Then try Nate Oats, Steve Forbes, Nathan Davis. Don't like any of them create your own list.
-
There are great coaches out there. The question is why do we settle for unproven assistant coaches? St. John`s at least tried. We seem to assume we are 3rd tier and can not recruit the best or just below. Look at Witchita State, South Carolina, any Hurley to start. Then try Nate Oats, Steve Forbes, Nathan Davis. Don't like any of them create your own list.
We tried last time. Mrs. Shaka didn't like Milwaukee. Howland was a retread with some skeletons in his closet. Cuonzo just wanted a 2-3 year springboard to something else. All proven head coaches.
No doubt we would try next time. Hopefully with an even better group. But if we "settle" for somebody with, say, only 1 year of mid-major coaching experience, he would be bashed here on Scoop ... even if that somebody was the next Chris Beard.
-
We tried last time. Mrs. Shaka didn't like Milwaukee. Howland was a retread with some skeletons in his closet. Cuonzo just wanted a 2-3 year springboard to something else. All proven head coaches.
No doubt we would try next time. Hopefully with an even better group. But if we "settle" for somebody with, say, only 1 year of mid-major coaching experience, he would be bashed here on Scoop ... even if that somebody was the next Chris Beard.
You highlight the problem. Why do we fail at recruiting a good coach while other non blue blood schools can? Address that issue first and we are on our way.
-
You highlight the problem. Why do we fail at recruiting a good coach while other non blue blood schools can? Address that issue first and we are on our way.
We "failed" at Shaka because Mrs. Shaka didn't want to go to Milwaukee. We "failed" at Howland and Martin because we didn't want them.
Who were some of the "good coaches" who went to non-blueblood schools that we should have gotten instead of Wojo? Address that issue first, and we are on our way.
-
You highlight the problem. Why do we fail at recruiting a good coach while other non blue blood schools can? Address that issue first and we are on our way.
Has Marquette failed more than most programs? Tom Crean was a good hire. Buzz Williams was. Kevin O'Neill was. Mike Deanne was not. Wojo get's an "incomplete."
So of the last five coaches we hired, three of them were good and one is still on the job. I think at first glance that looks pretty good! The problem is that we can't get any of the good ones to stay because they don't view Marquette as a destination.
-
Has Marquette failed more than most programs? Tom Crean was a good hire. Buzz Williams was. Kevin O'Neill was. Mike Deanne was not. Wojo get's an "incomplete."
So of the last five coaches we hired, three of them were good and one is still on the job. I think at first glance that looks pretty good! The problem is that we can't get any of the good ones to stay because they don't view Marquette as a destination.
For all the crap Deane gets here, his first 4 years were pretty fun to follow as a fan. Won a conference tournament, went to the NIT final game, two NCAA tournaments, 100 wins, upsets and rivalries against Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis. He had one losing season and was let go. MU moved on and got Crean, Wade and a Final Four three years later. Right move at the time to let him go, but I wouldn't say Deane was a bad hire when he was hired. Anyone remember who else was in the mix then?
-
Mike Deane won because he had Kevin O'Neill's players.His recruiting sucked.That is why he got fired
-
Mike Deane won because he had Kevin O'Neill's players.His recruiting sucked.That is why he got fired
His recruiting sucked, and he stated that he believed that his recruiting would continue to suck. He didn't believe that it was possible to get big-time recruits to come to Marquette.
-
Novel concept but perhaps we support Wojo through this difficult period and hope he comes out of it a better coach. Loyalty is a two-way street.
-
Change my mind
Ahh, another moment at which I so treasure the npr story on dropping comments because only 0.003 percent of readers comment. There is no point in trying to change the mind of someone far gone enough to post this, you are one who will never realize the tiny percentage of fans who will ever read your silly post.
Hopefully you can return to the reputation you speak of - I assume you mean Marquette's 2 Sweet 16s in a 31 years stretch.
Alas, I can't find the old letterman tape from one of his first shows when he told a guest he had the significant of a "microscopic amoeba." A link to that would be so fitting in moments like this.
-
Novel concept but perhaps we support Wojo through this difficult period and hope he comes out of it a better coach. Loyalty is a two-way street.
This is a good post.
-
Bring back KO. I think he's got a few good years left. Most honest guy out there. How could that be anything other than true to the mission? So he drops a few too many f-bombs... don't we all?
In fact I don't really care who the coach is... as long as the product on the court is high quality and entertaining and the program doesn't compromise its own future by cheating.
But KO was fun...
-
Bring back KO. I think he's got a few good years left. Most honest guy out there. How could that be anything other than true to the mission? So he drops a few too many f-bombs... don't we all?
In fact I don't really care who the coach is... as long as the product on the court is high quality and entertaining and the program doesn't compromise its own future by cheating.
But KO was fun...
KO would truly be a terrible hire. Since his Sweet 16 at MU he made the NCAA twice and NIT twice in 11yrs of coaching plus flamed out in the NBA. He'd be a good guy to get as a mentor or even assistant to get Wojo to change some things but not as head coach
-
Wojo is toast, one way or another.
We are all toast, one way or another.
-
We "failed" at Shaka because Mrs. Shaka didn't want to go to Milwaukee. We "failed" at Howland and Martin because we didn't want them.
Who were some of the "good coaches" who went to non-blueblood schools that we should have gotten instead of Wojo? Address that issue first, and we are on our way.
You must be correct that we got the best. Have a good Easter.
-
I see people now get to change what the word indelibly means.
-
Does this mean we can't drink Kool-Aid anymore?
-
Those that chose to stay certainly seem to be harboring serious anger issues toward the coaching staff. Players leave. Amazingly, in an almost unprecedented fashion, many choose to side with those leaving, who may or may not have initiated a player revolt via means that no coach could acquiesce to, inevitably harming team chemistry on a then 23-6 team, who essentially gave the coach an ultimatum, the BEPOY or us. I am not and have not defended Wojo during this. However, I cannot believe how many people here are willing to play student manager to the Hausers Buzz and flush their crap for them. What they did (if there was a letter) is something I have never heard of at this level. They are not saints in this matter. They (may or may not have) knowingly and willingly attacked the coach and the best player on a then top 20 team and then left when there demands were not met.
Please, I am begging, cite examples where (A) a coach gave in, (B) it worked, (C) the fanbase took the side of those who left.
I choose to cheer for those who stayed at my alma mater. I don't think that Wojo is blameless or a great coach. But I admire his restraint. And I admire the Hausers for hedging their bets. If it had just been signed by the two of them, Wojo should have thrown their butts off the team. By (maybe or maybe not) getting everyone else to sign, it provided them cover. But there is no way, once that course of action was (maybe or maybe not) chosen, that it could possibly have made things better.
-
I agree with your entire post, Tower.
-
Sean Miller on tape and being under investigation by the FBI at Arizona
Will Wade having to sit out the NCAA tourney because of being on tape offering money for a recruit at LSU
Izzo being accused of covering up sexual assaults and tied to Nassar at MSU
Buzz getting involved to squelch a rape investigation at MU
Creighton's assistant offering "not just a job, but a lucrative job" to a recruit's parent
Louisville and all of the fun they had
Dana Altman knowingly bringing in not one but two individuals accused of sexual assault (one kicked out of his previous institution who then was involved in an alleged gang rape at UO) at Oregon
MU hiring Wojo
7 of those things "indelibly marred the reputation" of their programs. One did not.
Step back from the lefge
-
I put it at 1 in 3 Porter Moser is our coach by this time next year.....
Rick Majerus tree.....Final 4......Devout Catholic.....Midwest want to stay roots.....
Just my guess......
Won't easily be swayed somewhere else.....
-
I put it at 1 in 3 Porter Moser is our coach by this time next year.....
Rick Majerus tree.....Final 4......Devout Catholic.....Midwest want to stay roots.....
Just my guess......
Won't easily be swayed somewhere else.....
Cool, so we can be Slu-like.
-
The Porter Moser love fascinates me. The ultimate one hit wonder.
-
I take those odds, how much you want to bet
-
Sean Miller on tape and being under investigation by the FBI at Arizona
Will Wade having to sit out the NCAA tourney because of being on tape offering money for a recruit at LSU
Izzo being accused of covering up sexual assaults and tied to Nassar at MSU
Buzz getting involved to squelch a rape investigation at MU
Creighton's assistant offering "not just a job, but a lucrative job" to a recruit's parent
Louisville and all of the fun they had
Dana Altman knowingly bringing in not one but two individuals accused of sexual assault (one kicked out of his previous institution who then was involved in an alleged gang rape at UO) at Oregon
MU hiring Wojo
7 of those things "indelibly marred the reputation" of their programs. One did not.
Step back from the lefge
Wrote an entire paragraph/list just to get in an unsubstantiated rip at Buzz. Yeah, Buzz indelibly marred the reputation of Marquette. Sure. Typical Billy/Cheek.
-
I really restrain myself from posting in arguments, and I don't want to argue, just post a couple thoughts. I agree with WindyPlayer and Tower. I also recognize many posters frustration with Wojo. Let's take a look at when and why he was selected as our coach. I thought he was a steal at the time. He had been approached by so many other schools over the years and he stayed at Duke as an assistant. Why? He wanted a tradition and a destination. He's never moved around. That happens to be the attitude we need. We don't want to be a stepping stone. We want a top guy who stays.
Well, if you want a top guy, that happens to be someone who wants to move up to a current blue blood. We either get a great coach re-tread, or a rising guy (enter Wojo). I don't like the "was a good coach and is available kind of guy." Nobody knew much about Wojo other than he was the most trusted coach on Coach K's staff for several years (kind of makes him pretty good). I'm sorry, but at the time, he was a great hire. A lot to prove, high expectations, but a very solid hire, just lacking experience and bound to make some mistakes.
Now since he took the step to come to us, we do owe him our loyalty for a good stretch. I hate to say it, but we were looking at a dumpster fire of a program, with everyone throwing their flammable trash on top when Buzz left. I can't believe Wojo had the brass ones to step into Marquette's fire of doom. He did, because it was a destination to him.
Has he taken us to the promised land? No. Not close enough. He has us on a good track, and up until the Hauser toss their grenade in the room as they left, we were looking extremely strong (one poll had us #2!). I don't know if they intended to create havoc or just move to something they liked better. It doesn't matter. They're gone. What's left? A solid team (sorry, but top 35 or so is NCAA bid quality). We're going to win a lot of games. It's going to look different. It could be pretty exciting.
How many teams have a 2nd team or better All American returning? It's not more than 9 of 350+. There aren't that many teams with 3 starters returning. Personally, and I'm no expert, but I thought Bailey should have been starting the last 10 games or so as well, so make it 4. Also, Cain played significantly better his freshman year with Greg in the lineup. It's a pretty solid core. Wojo gets one solid transfer along with the newbies, and it's off to the races.
The reaction of the team with Wojo (video we're all looked at today) tells me the team is solidly behind him. They don't get that into it if they're not completely comfortable with him and trust him. That returned any lost confidence in him.
I'm an optimist and believe there are good things ahead! Crisis = opportunity. I've always liked being the underdog. Now we are again. The team is headed overseas this summer for some experience and great bonding, and will be ahead of the competition in November. Sam WAS my favorite player, but them leaving just might make this team better. We won't know until the current drafting of transfers is complete. We actually won't know until the BEast schedule is well underway.
All that said, if it was a major problem with him, he would be gone by now. If Markus had left, and the Hausers stayed, think of how slow our team would be next year. I really like where we're headed. Unknown can be fun!
-
Too many negative people on here.
-
Wrote an entire paragraph/list just to get in an unsubstantiated rip at Buzz. Yeah, Buzz indelibly marred the reputation of Marquette. Sure. Typical Billy/Cheek.
Are you saying I am Billy?
Put your money where your mouth is for charity. Please...man up!! Happy to prove you wrong.
-
Wrote an entire paragraph/list just to get in an unsubstantiated rip at Buzz. Yeah, Buzz indelibly marred the reputation of Marquette. Sure. Typical Billy/Cheek.
Because, as long as Buzz was here the program was marred. We brought in Wojo to repair our reputation and it's worked. Successful while being a clean program off the court. One head coach said to me "Marquette is no longer the Marquette of Buzz" and this was while we were ranked in the top 10.
As long as all of those individuals I named remain with their programs or retain influence over their program, they are "marred."
Not Cheeks either. My wife has made it clear we will never live in LA.
Finally, Lenny, it was fully substantiated. The worst part is Buzz went into hiding and made his assistants deal with the fallout.
-
I really restrain myself from posting in arguments, and I don't want to argue, just post a couple thoughts. I agree with WindyPlayer and Tower. I also recognize many posters frustration with Wojo. Let's take a look at when and why he was selected as our coach. I thought he was a steal at the time. He had been approached by so many other schools over the years and he stayed at Duke as an assistant. Why? He wanted a tradition and a destination. He's never moved around. That happens to be the attitude we need. We don't want to be a stepping stone. We want a top guy who stays.
Well, if you want a top guy, that happens to be someone who wants to move up to a current blue blood. We either get a great coach re-tread, or a rising guy (enter Wojo). I don't like the "was a good coach and is available kind of guy." Nobody knew much about Wojo other than he was the most trusted coach on Coach K's staff for several years (kind of makes him pretty good). I'm sorry, but at the time, he was a great hire. A lot to prove, high expectations, but a very solid hire, just lacking experience and bound to make some mistakes.
Now since he took the step to come to us, we do owe him our loyalty for a good stretch. I hate to say it, but we were looking at a dumpster fire of a program, with everyone throwing their flammable trash on top when Buzz left. I can't believe Wojo had the brass ones to step into Marquette's fire of doom. He did, because it was a destination to him.
Has he taken us to the promised land? No. Not close enough. He has us on a good track, and up until the Hauser toss their grenade in the room as they left, we were looking extremely strong (one poll had us #2!). I don't know if they intended to create havoc or just move to something they liked better. It doesn't matter. They're gone. What's left? A solid team (sorry, but top 35 or so is NCAA bid quality). We're going to win a lot of games. It's going to look different. It could be pretty exciting.
How many teams have a 2nd team or better All American returning? It's not more than 9 of 350+. There aren't that many teams with 3 starters returning. Personally, and I'm no expert, but I thought Bailey should have been starting the last 10 games or so as well, so make it 4. Also, Cain played significantly better his freshman year with Greg in the lineup. It's a pretty solid core. Wojo gets one solid transfer along with the newbies, and it's off to the races.
The reaction of the team with Wojo (video we're all looked at today) tells me the team is solidly behind him. They don't get that into it if they're not completely comfortable with him and trust him. That returned any lost confidence in him.
I'm an optimist and believe there are good things ahead! Crisis = opportunity. I've always liked being the underdog. Now we are again. The team is headed overseas this summer for some experience and great bonding, and will be ahead of the competition in November. Sam WAS my favorite player, but them leaving just might make this team better. We won't know until the current drafting of transfers is complete. We actually won't know until the BEast schedule is well underway.
All that said, if it was a major problem with him, he would be gone by now. If Markus had left, and the Hausers stayed, think of how slow our team would be next year. I really like where we're headed. Unknown can be fun!
This sd was paid for by the wojo for sainthood movement Wojo Treasurer.
-
Now since he took the step to come to us, we do owe him our loyalty for a good stretch. I hate to say it, but we were looking at a dumpster fire of a program, with everyone throwing their flammable trash on top when Buzz left. I can't believe Wojo had the brass ones to step into Marquette's fire of doom. He did, because it was a destination to him.
I love how the legend of the Bare Cupboard grows and grows each year, just enough so that people can still motion at it to explain away any disappointment with the current team.
By this time next year we'll be hearing about how Wojo inherited a roster of Buzz loyalists who tried to sabotage the squad.
-
I really restrain myself from posting in arguments, and I don't want to argue, just post a couple thoughts. I agree with WindyPlayer and Tower. I also recognize many posters frustration with Wojo. Let's take a look at when and why he was selected as our coach. I thought he was a steal at the time. He had been approached by so many other schools over the years and he stayed at Duke as an assistant. Why? He wanted a tradition and a destination. He's never moved around. That happens to be the attitude we need. We don't want to be a stepping stone. We want a top guy who stays.
Well, if you want a top guy, that happens to be someone who wants to move up to a current blue blood. We either get a great coach re-tread, or a rising guy (enter Wojo). I don't like the "was a good coach and is available kind of guy." Nobody knew much about Wojo other than he was the most trusted coach on Coach K's staff for several years (kind of makes him pretty good). I'm sorry, but at the time, he was a great hire. A lot to prove, high expectations, but a very solid hire, just lacking experience and bound to make some mistakes.
Now since he took the step to come to us, we do owe him our loyalty for a good stretch. I hate to say it, but we were looking at a dumpster fire of a program, with everyone throwing their flammable trash on top when Buzz left. I can't believe Wojo had the brass ones to step into Marquette's fire of doom. He did, because it was a destination to him.
Has he taken us to the promised land? No. Not close enough. He has us on a good track, and up until the Hauser toss their grenade in the room as they left, we were looking extremely strong (one poll had us #2!). I don't know if they intended to create havoc or just move to something they liked better. It doesn't matter. They're gone. What's left? A solid team (sorry, but top 35 or so is NCAA bid quality). We're going to win a lot of games. It's going to look different. It could be pretty exciting.
How many teams have a 2nd team or better All American returning? It's not more than 9 of 350+. There aren't that many teams with 3 starters returning. Personally, and I'm no expert, but I thought Bailey should have been starting the last 10 games or so as well, so make it 4. Also, Cain played significantly better his freshman year with Greg in the lineup. It's a pretty solid core. Wojo gets one solid transfer along with the newbies, and it's off to the races.
The reaction of the team with Wojo (video we're all looked at today) tells me the team is solidly behind him. They don't get that into it if they're not completely comfortable with him and trust him. That returned any lost confidence in him.
I'm an optimist and believe there are good things ahead! Crisis = opportunity. I've always liked being the underdog. Now we are again. The team is headed overseas this summer for some experience and great bonding, and will be ahead of the competition in November. Sam WAS my favorite player, but them leaving just might make this team better. We won't know until the current drafting of transfers is complete. We actually won't know until the BEast schedule is well underway.
All that said, if it was a major problem with him, he would be gone by now. If Markus had left, and the Hausers stayed, think of how slow our team would be next year. I really like where we're headed. Unknown can be fun!
Well said.
Some of the posts from the last ten days are going to be really fun to read a year from now.
-
Because, as long as Buzz was here the program was marred. We brought in Wojo to repair our reputation and it's worked. Successful while being a clean program off the court. One head coach said to me "Marquette is no longer the Marquette of Buzz" and this was while we were ranked in the top 10.
As long as all of those individuals I named remain with their programs or retain influence over their program, they are "marred."
Not Cheeks either. My wife has made it clear we will never live in LA.
Ironically, I've finally convinced my wife in the last year or two to leave. As soon as my daughter is done with high schools. 14 more months.
-
I love how the legend of the Bare Cupboard grows and grows each year, just enough so that people can still motion at it to explain away any disappointment with the current team.
By this time next year we'll be hearing about how Wojo inherited a roster of Buzz loyalists who tried to sabotage the squad.
Kind of like how the anti-wojo crew points to that team lead by Magic Dawson as the next national champion.
Carlino
Fisher
Wilson
Taylor
JJJ
Derrick
Dawson
Burton
Anderson
Cohen
Ten scholarship players. Two coming off injuries in Taylor and Wilson. Two that transferred weeks into the season. Burton whose foot was out the door his freshman year and Magic Dawson who went on to mid major life with limited results.
That team was mediocre the year before and lost three of their best scorers. Sorry but that team is low Big east talent at best. That was Buzz’s last team and he knew he wasn’t going to the promise land so he got out.
Compare that to the team today even without the Hausers and today’s is 20x better
-
Kind of like how the anti-wojo crew points to that team lead by Magic Dawson as the next national champion.
Well, no one actually said this. You really beat the hell out of that strawman, though. Well done.
On the other hand, I quoted someone who appears to sincerely believe that this program was such garbage that they couldn't believe a career assistant (and not our first choice), even wanted it. Reads like quite a bit of hyperbole to me.
Now, I'm not saying the talent left for Wojo was great, or that they should've been a tournament team. But considering that once Wojo finally got rid of all those terrible players he inherited we actually took a step backward (Which doesn't jive with this bizarre "We've improved every year under Wojo" take that somehow gets tossed around without any pushback around here), either the cupboard wasn't as bad as people said it was or Wojo did a crummy job in year 4.
-
Now, I'm not saying the talent left for Wojo was great, or that they should've been a tournament team. But considering that once Wojo finally got rid of all those terrible players he inherited we actually took a step backward (Which doesn't jive with this bizarre "We've improved every year under Wojo" take that somehow gets tossed around without any pushback around here), either the cupboard wasn't as bad as people said it was or Wojo did a crummy job in year 4.
On this piece, saying "we improved every year under Wojo" doesn't mean we will have better results every season. Unless you can reload like Duke or Kentucky, every program will go through rebuilding years every couple of seasons. Year 4 was always going to be a rebuilding year because of how the roster was constructed. Despite it being a rebuilding year, we still made the NIT. The last rebuilding year (Wojo year 1) we were sub 500. Next season is going to be a rebuilding year too. My expectation is that despite it being a rebuilding year we should still make the dance.
-
either the cupboard wasn't as bad as people said it was or Wojo did a crummy job in year 4.
Or we had a very experienced team in year 3, with 5 of the top-8 in minutes being juniors or seniors, & we had an inexperienced team in year 4, with just 2 of the top-8 being juniors or seniors.
-
On this piece, saying "we improved every year under Wojo" doesn't mean we will have better results every season. Unless you can reload like Duke or Kentucky, every program will go through rebuilding years every couple of seasons. Year 4 was always going to be a rebuilding year because of how the roster was constructed. Despite it being a rebuilding year, we still made the NIT. The last rebuilding year (Wojo year 1) we were sub 500. Next season is going to be a rebuilding year too. My expectation is that despite it being a rebuilding year we should still make the dance.
Sorry, this is a distinction without a difference. Going from the NCAA to the NIT is not improving.
Or we had a very experienced team in year 3, with 5 of the top-8 in minutes being juniors or seniors, & we had an inexperienced team in year 4, with just 2 of the top-8 being juniors or seniors.
And if in Year 4 the complaints are that we don't have enough experience, then that's on the Coach.
-
Because, as long as Buzz was here the program was marred. We brought in Wojo to repair our reputation and it's worked. Successful while being a clean program off the court. One head coach said to me "Marquette is no longer the Marquette of Buzz" and this was while we were ranked in the top 10.
As long as all of those individuals I named remain with their programs or retain influence over their program, they are "marred."
Not Cheeks either. My wife has made it clear we will never live in LA.
Finally, Lenny, it was fully substantiated. The worst part is Buzz went into hiding and made his assistants deal with the fallout.
Odd... I figured you live in SoCal considering the intimate knowledge of the niche-California sport water polo you & Cheeks share
-
Sorry, this is a distinction without a difference. Going from the NCAA to the NIT is not improving.
And if in Year 4 the complaints are that we don't have enough experience, then that's on the Coach.
I don't consider what took place from Year 3 to 4 "improving." I thought it was OK -- not great, not super-satisfying, but OK -- given that it was a transition year. Having to play two midgets at guard, including one who has less interest in defense than I do in acorn squash, kept us from playing any D at all. It's not an excuse, because the coach also is in charge of roster-building, but it is a fact.
I do look at the overall arc of the program -- Year 2, 20 wins with 1-and-done Hank; Year 3, NCAA tournament; Year 4, slight step backward with couple of NIT wins for young team; Year 5, 2nd place BEast, 5 seed in NCAA tournament -- and see an upward trend.
It will not be easy to keep that upward trend going this year. If it doesn't, and especially if Wojo doesn't have a great recruiting class, it will be time to bring in a new coach.
-
And if in Year 4 the complaints are that we don't have enough experience, then that's on the Coach.
Sure. And would-be upperclassmen like Duane, Levin, Traci, & Haanif left. Even still, we were one win away from the tourney.
I'll be honest, my only real hope is a national championship. One building season that sets up future success, whether it ends in a NIT run or an early NCAA exit, is pretty irrelevant.
-
Odd... I figured you live in SoCal considering the intimate knowledge of the niche-California sport water polo you & Cheeks share
I’ll answer for me, Billy can choose to answer for himself.
50% of the NCAA D1 Water Polo programs are outside the state of California. It is one of the fastest growing high school sports in the country, with Texas, Utah, Oregon, Florida, Illinois and Michigan driving much of that growth.
The entity that Billy works for, multiple partner members participate in the sport at the D1 level. Some schools are studying adding the sport.
I’ll throw the same offer to you....man up. Commit to real money for charity as I have stated to Lenny and I will prove we aren’t the same people...don’t live in the same state, and ironically were at each other’s throats a bit 10 years ago on this board. Man up for a good cause.
-
Odd... I figured you live in SoCal considering the intimate knowledge of the niche-California sport water polo you & Cheeks share
The only thing I know about water polo or have ever shared here comes from a former coworker who was on the US team in Beijing and played at Stanford. She is from the Midwest. I’ve never seen a match in person.
-
I don't consider what took place from Year 3 to 4 "improving." I thought it was OK -- not great, not super-satisfying, but OK -- given that it was a transition year. Having to play two midgets at guard, including one who has less interest in defense than I do in acorn squash, kept us from playing any D at all. It's not an excuse, because the coach also is in charge of roster-building, but it is a fact.
I do look at the overall arc of the program -- Year 2, 20 wins with 1-and-done Hank; Year 3, NCAA tournament; Year 4, slight step backward with couple of NIT wins for young team; Year 5, 2nd place BEast, 5 seed in NCAA tournament -- and see an upward trend.
It will not be easy to keep that upward trend going this year. If it doesn't, and especially if Wojo doesn't have a great recruiting class, it will be time to bring in a new coach.
Considering that Wojo is supposed to bring us sustained success, year 4 was a red flag to me. It's not like we were stepping back from a Final Four run. The defense being an awful, whether one wants to call it a reason or an excuse, is still on Wojo either way.
As for the rest, I mostly agree, especially your last paragraph. But I say that as someone who has admittedly been disappointed in the Wojo era (but doesn't think he should be fired yet). I find it surprising how many people who think Wojo has done a good job won't allow him a mulligan if we take a step back this year.
I'll be honest, my only real hope is a national championship. One building season that sets up future success, whether it ends in a NIT run or an early NCAA exit, is pretty irrelevant.
And I think it's relevant when evaluating whether or not said Coach is the guy to bring us a national championship. Your mileage may vary.
-
I don't consider what took place from Year 3 to 4 "improving." I thought it was OK -- not great, not super-satisfying, but OK -- given that it was a transition year. Having to play two midgets at guard, including one who has less interest in defense than I do in acorn squash, kept us from playing any D at all. It's not an excuse, because the coach also is in charge of roster-building, but it is a fact.
I do look at the overall arc of the program -- Year 2, 20 wins with 1-and-done Hank; Year 3, NCAA tournament; Year 4, slight step backward with couple of NIT wins for young team; Year 5, 2nd place BEast, 5 seed in NCAA tournament -- and see an upward trend.
It will not be easy to keep that upward trend going this year. If it doesn't, and especially if Wojo doesn't have a great recruiting class, it will be time to bring in a new coach.
A slight step back next year could still be considered an overall upward trend. How far back is slight?
-
Sure. And would-be upperclassmen like Duane, Levin, Traci, & Haanif left. Even still, we were one BIG win away from the tourney.
I'll be honest, my only real hope is a national championship. One building season that sets up future success, whether it ends in a NIT run or an early NCAA exit, is pretty irrelevant.
FTFY.
IIRC, MU was what, a four seed? Which translates roughly to "first 16 out." I doubt one more win moves us past all of those other teams.
-
FTFY.
IIRC, MU was what, a four seed? Which translates roughly to "first 16 out." I doubt one more win moves us past all of those other teams.
We were a 2 seed
-
I find it surprising how many people who think Wojo has done a good job won't allow him a mulligan if we take a step back this year.
A slight step back next year could still be considered an overall upward trend. How far back is slight?
Even though I generally defend Wojo's overall record because I think he's done a good job of moving the program forward, developing high-school talent and improving as a coach, I place the lion's share of blame for the Hauser fiasco in the CEO of the organization's lap. It is his job to manage egos, his job to prevent exactly the kind of thing that happened. So if the reason for the step back is that we lost two starters, including a second-team all-conference player who is good at everything, that's primarily on Wojo IMHO. (Again, I said "primarily." I am not one who thinks the golden boyz are blameless here.)
We still have a good team, including an All-American. Presumably it is a team that will play the style Wojo wants to play. We should expect him to get the most out of them because that's what good coaches do, and be able to continue advancing the program. For me, a significant part of that is to land a very good recruiting class for 2020-21 and beyond.
I don't have a "red line," really, but ...
Let's say we suffer a heartbreaking loss late in the season and it keeps us out of the NCAAs BUT Wojo has signed a top-10 recruiting class. I might be inclined to think the program is still generally showing progress.
Or let's say we get only a decent recruiting class but we go 24-7 again, with another 2nd place finish, and another top-5 seed, and we actually win an NCAA game or two. I also might be inclined to think the program is showing progress.
But if we squeak into the tournament as an 11-seed and have a mediocre recruiting class or if we miss the tournament and have only a decent recruiting class, I'd be inclined to think the Wojo era should end.
I just did a whole lot more speculating than I normally like to do. Things happen during the course of a season. What if Markus gets hurt in our 10th game and misses the rest of the season? What if two other key players do? What if Wojo's 2020 recruiting class is only so-so but he gets verbal commitments from two of the top 10 players of 2021? Etc, etc, etc ... so I'm not gonna lock myself into any of the above.
Y'all asked a question, so I did my best to answer. I tend to have more shades of gray and more nuance than some other Scoopers (not saying that's superior, just that it's true), and I also am an optimist at heart who WANTS to believe the program is on its way to being great again. I still support Wojo, but now I'm being more demanding that he proves he deserves support from me and those like me.
-
I’ll answer for me, Billy can choose to answer for himself.
50% of the NCAA D1 Water Polo programs are outside the state of California. It is one of the fastest growing high school sports in the country, with Texas, Utah, Oregon, Florida, Illinois and Michigan driving much of that growth.
The entity that Billy works for, multiple partner members participate in the sport at the D1 level. Some schools are studying adding the sport.
I’ll throw the same offer to you....man up. Commit to real money for charity as I have stated to Lenny and I will prove we aren’t the same people...don’t live in the same state, and ironically were at each other’s throats a bit 10 years ago on this board. Man up for a good cause.
I'll gladly do that for you to prove you aren't WarriorDad
-
Man up for a good cause.
Do I get to choose the cause?
I was thinking the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
-
"man up"
Buncha old farts playing tough guy on the internet. Go spend some time with your loved ones.
-
Do I get to choose the cause?
I was thinking the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
I was thinking about something animal related, like ASPCA. My wife and I are big rescue advocates.
-
Do I get to choose the cause?
I was thinking the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
I would like it to go to Juvenile Diabetes Research or Alzheimer’s Research, but I could get on board with others.
I just want it to be significant and the crow eating to be vast. Time for people to put up or shut up, and what better cause than charity. Real money, not any of this $100 crap. If we are going to do this, do it right and the guilty here that continue to flub this myth can feel good by their humiliation knowing the money goes to a good cause.
-
I'll gladly do that for you to prove you aren't WarriorDad
You just called me Billy...we will start there with that humiliation and go from there. Or are you finally going to admit you are wrong?
Which is it? And now that money is involved your are cowering away? Sad. Good charities on the line here.
-
You just called me Billy...we will start there with that humiliation and go from there. Or are you finally going to admit you are wrong?
Which is it? And now that money is involved your are cowering away? Sad. Good charities on the line here.
So just to clarify, you won't take bets on whether or not you're WarriorDad?
-
Odd... I figured you live in SoCal considering the intimate knowledge of the niche-California sport water polo you & Cheeks share
I find it odd the obsession with claiming Cheeks has multiple screen names that he's using. You know, multiple individuals can share similar opinions on particular topics.
Is it insecurity in your own stances that leads to the "Billy is Cheeks, Finkle is Einhorn" obsession?
-
I'm Spartacus!
-
I agree with this analysis. Get one of the assistants to be an interim, call next year a wash in terms of both on the court play and recruiting, and then bring in a guy like Rick Barnes (not him, obviously, but someone like him) who has a proven track record of being able to win anywhere he goes.
Wojo is a dead man walking.
Yes, he definitely won the "getting fired" thing at Texas.
-
Change my mind
Why would I want to make you unhappy?
-
It is going to be a weird season, no doubt. Plus, Wojo has shown to be pretty thin-skinned at times. How's he going to react with the heat really on?
From a basketball point-of-view, MU just lost their entire floor spacing with the Hausers leaving. That's huge. Now, coaches won't think twice to have their entire defense collapse on Markus when he drives.
If you believe the Hausers, Marquette had already lost its entire floor spacing due to Markus' inability or disinclination to drive and kick the ball out.
-
Under the current administration, Marquette has focused on one thing......THE MISSION....and they have put that above all else. It's ironic that the first lay president in history seems to care far more about THE MISSION than any of his Jesuit predecessors but that is the direction they're taking the institution as a whole, not just the basketball program, so as long as the current administration remains the same, they will not hire anyone that is not 100% committed to THE MISSION or who's values they don't believe are aligned with it.
Buzz got us to an Elite Eight and onto the FRONT PAGE of the Chicago Tribune for a very wrong reason.
There's something to be said for not being mentioned in the testimony of assistant coaches and player representatives who are on trial in federal court for fraud.
-
I find it odd the obsession with claiming Cheeks has multiple screen names that he's using. You know, multiple individuals can share similar opinions on particular topics.
Is it insecurity in your own stances that leads to the "Billy is Cheeks, Finkle is Einhorn" obsession?
I think it's done in good fun. I don't think anyone seriously believes that you and Chicos and WarriorDad are all the same person.
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised nobody has ever accused me of being Chicos. It's a Scoop rite of passage that I have yet to go through I guess.
FWIW, I hate California traffic; I think there is a non-trivial element of randomness to the NCAA tournament; and I think water polo is an underrated sport.
-
Well, no one actually said this. You really beat the hell out of that strawman, though. Well done.
On the other hand, I quoted someone who appears to sincerely believe that this program was such garbage that they couldn't believe a career assistant (and not our first choice), even wanted it. Reads like quite a bit of hyperbole to me.
Now, I'm not saying the talent left for Wojo was great, or that they should've been a tournament team. But considering that once Wojo finally got rid of all those terrible players he inherited we actually took a step backward (Which doesn't jive with this bizarre "We've improved every year under Wojo" take that somehow gets tossed around without any pushback around here), either the cupboard wasn't as bad as people said it was or Wojo did a crummy job in year 4.
I exaggerated a little but I can point to hundreds of posts expecting MU to be in NCAA tournament and contending for the conference championship and making up for Buzz’s last season.
I do believe the talent got better every year under Wojo. The only debate is year 4 which I believe was a better team then year 3 but did not improve relative to the other bubble teams. If you recall MU was arguably an DePaul lost from the NCAA and Sam was playing on one leg for most of the season and Elliot was playing with one hand. That played out with a deeper run in the NIT.
The talent that came into year 4 set the stage for year 5 which by all measures was the best year. So yes I would say the trend over Wojo’s tenure has been upward. Had he had the same starting point as Buzz I think we would have had a better year three and year four.
You continue into blaming Wojo for a lack of experience in year 4 but fail to acknowledge the roster he needed to bubble gum together in years one to three.
-
I would like it to go to Juvenile Diabetes Research or Alzheimer’s Research, but I could get on board with others.
I just want it to be significant and the crow eating to be vast. Time for people to put up or shut up, and what better cause than charity. Real money, not any of this $100 crap. If we are going to do this, do it right and the guilty here that continue to flub this myth can feel good by their humiliation knowing the money goes to a good cause.
You're funny, Eldon.
-
The worst thing that can happen to coach is to lose your team. There's going to be times when the opponent is simply more talented, more experienced or even better coached. That happens.
But, for experienced team to blow-up (and that's exactly what has happened since mid-Feb.) and implode is sad to watch.
Again, this has been mentioned, but what exactly did Wojo take away from his years on the Duke bench? Managing talent, managing egos, expectations, playing time, etc., is what Coach K has been doing successfully for years.
When Wojo got to Duke, he was a top recruit going to a top program with other top recruits, and later he was an assistant coach in the same circumstances. In that situation, you do what the HC wants or you sit and get replaced by someone else with a comparable resume.
Sam and Markus came to a decent but not great MU program that was elevating to become one of if not the favorite to win the league largely due to their play. Then one of them forgot the part that the other played in making that happen, along with the contributions of all his other teammates. Fallout happened.
My point is that managing egos and ball touches is much easier in a program that is already at the top then at a program that is just arriving there. In the later case it's much easier for a player to see themselves as essential rather than replaceable. I doubt that Wojo ever saw Coach K have to handle anything quite like this one. We're seeing now the repercussions for Wojo of losing the Hausers to transfer. How much better or worse would it have been, if he were dealing with the repercussions of sitting the Big East POY at the end of the season?
The differences between Howard and the Hausers were irreconcilable. Wojo made a choice. Isn't that what a HC has to do? Now he's dealing with it with a show of team unity and by doubling down on recruiting. Will it work? Who knows? If it does, he's earned his spot, if not he moves on. Letting him go now while he still has a chance to right the ship would lead to a disintegration of the current team, a major disruption in recruiting and another minimum five year wait to build a competitive team. I can't be for that.
-
There are great coaches out there. The question is why do we settle for unproven assistant coaches? St. John`s at least tried. We seem to assume we are 3rd tier and can not recruit the best or just below. Look at Witchita State, South Carolina, any Hurley to start. Then try Nate Oats, Steve Forbes, Nathan Davis. Don't like any of them create your own list.
Any Hurley, huh? How'd that go for St. John's? In spite of all those great guys being available, didn't St. John's just have to settle for the guy just fired at Arkansas?
BYW, Nate Oats has already been hired by Alabama.
-
I exaggerated a little but I can point to hundreds of posts expecting MU to be in NCAA tournament and contending for the conference championship and making up for Buzz’s last season.
I do believe the talent got better every year under Wojo. The only debate is year 4 which I believe was a better team then year 3 but did not improve relative to the other bubble teams. If you recall MU was arguably an DePaul lost from the NCAA and Sam was playing on one leg for most of the season and Elliot was playing with one hand. That played out with a deeper run in the NIT.
The talent that came into year 4 set the stage for year 5 which by all measures was the best year. So yes I would say the trend over Wojo’s tenure has been upward. Had he had the same starting point as Buzz I think we would have had a better year three and year four.
You continue into blaming Wojo for a lack of experience in year 4 but fail to acknowledge the roster he needed to bubble gum together in years one to three.
I guess it's nice that they almost made the NCAA in year 4, but ultimately they didn't. That's what I'm basing my criticism on. But I agree, the team would've been better had they won more games. I'd say that goes for all of Wojo's teams, actually.
I don't know why we should assume Wojo would've done better in Year 3-4 if he'd been left what Buzz had. Buzz hit the Sweet 16 in year 4. Crean hit the Final Four. They did that with their own guys, not relying on any cupboard. Wojo didn't make the Tournament.
I'm not sure how much credit you're expecting me to give for years 1-3. I'm not gonna give him credit or blame for year 1, but getting a McDonald's AA and not even making the NIT in Year 2 was a bummer. Year 3 was a nice building block result wise. I had hoped he'd build off that the next season since he finally got rid off all those terrible players Buzz left him, but alas.
-
I take those odds, how much you want to bet
Been doing a lot of long distance driving and streaming Chicago radio.....
When he was offered the St. John's job and turned them down.....
The radio guy who is relatively close with him alluded that he thought Moser stayed because he wants to stay in the Midwest and he thinks there are going to some "opportunities" open up in the next year or two that would be a "better job" than St. John's.....
1 + 1.......
-
Shush up with the negativity man...lol Another fire the coach topic...<sigh>
I take 24-10 any year and 1 game near contention of a Big East title lost to the national champs...
If we were 10-24 first yer in Fiserv Forum, and in last place . . . then you can whine.
But please calm down. He has done a great job.
He just got poor PG play at the most important position that effects the entire team all at once after it was exposed...
Fix that and they are Champs.
-
I find it odd the obsession with claiming Cheeks has multiple screen names that he's using. You know, multiple individuals can share similar opinions on particular topics.
Is it insecurity in your own stances that leads to the "Billy is Cheeks, Finkle is Einhorn" obsession?
Where’s Hoopaloop?
-
PRN you in? Let’s blow out this charity contribution
-
PRN you in? Let’s blow out this charity contribution
I may be in if there's a warriordad bet
-
I find it odd the obsession with claiming Cheeks has multiple screen names that he's using. You know, multiple individuals can share similar opinions on particular topics.
Is it insecurity in your own stances that leads to the "Billy is Cheeks, Finkle is Einhorn" obsession?
Or it could be the 3 fscrs of eve
-
I think it's done in good fun. I don't think anyone seriously believes that you and Chicos and WarriorDad are all the same person.
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised nobody has ever accused me of being Chicos. It's a Scoop rite of passage that I have yet to go through I guess.
FWIW, I hate California traffic; I think there is a non-trivial element of randomness to the NCAA tournament; and I think water polo is an underrated sport.
Eldon, you know you are me....stop pretending to be otherwise.
-
My wife has made it clear we will never live in LA.
Cheeks
Which is why you/Billy chose to live in the OC.
Personally, I would never live anywhere in the People's Democratic Republic. But, if absolutely forced, it would be in the OC or Del Mar. The rest of it can go away.
-
Cheeks
Which is why you/Billy chose to live in the OC.
Personally, I would never live anywhere in the People's Democratic Republic. But, if absolutely forced, it would be in the OC or Del Mar. The rest of it can go away.
I don't think he has ever even lived in California, but you will have to ask him.
I do choose to live in the OC, but it has been run over as well....I work in LA. 14 months and counting. Tick tock tick tock.
-
Cheeks
Which is why you/Billy chose to live in the OC.
Personally, I would never live anywhere in the People's Democratic Republic. But, if absolutely forced, it would be in the OC or Del Mar. The rest of it can go away.
There are lots of rational people in Cal. They are just hard to find hiding amongst the mushrooms.
-
Cheeks
Which is why you/Billy chose to live in the OC.
Personally, I would never live anywhere in the People's Democratic Republic. But, if absolutely forced, it would be in the OC or Del Mar. The rest of it can go away.
My wife and I just drove down to SoCal today. Staying at friends in Del Mar through Wednesday. Great to get out of the mid-90s weather in LV. Too many people in Cali. There's bumper-to-bumper traffic wherever you go and parking is always an adventure too!
-
My wife and I just drove down to SoCal today. Staying at friends in Del Mar through Wednesday. Great to get out of the mid-90s weather in LV. Too many people in Cali. There's bumper-to-bumper traffic wherever you go and parking is always an adventure too!
I spend 2.5 hours of my life daily in traffic to go a total of 50 miles. Way way too many people. Weather is lovely......and that's about it.
-
Cheeks
Which is why you/Billy chose to live in the OC.
Personally, I would never live anywhere in the People's Democratic Republic. But, if absolutely forced, it would be in the OC or Del Mar. The rest of it can go away.
You'd probably love Moscow.
-
Cheeks
Which is why you/Billy chose to live in the OC.
Personally, I would never live anywhere in the People's Democratic Republic. But, if absolutely forced, it would be in the OC or Del Mar. The rest of it can go away.
I once had an interview in the OC but it wasn’t for me. I enjoy living in a progressive city where my wife can take transit or bike to work and it only takes me 15 minutes to drive and when we get home we can walk anywhere.
I turned down a job in SD (La jolla ) because we didn’t want to change our lifestyles so significantly.
-
ND sucks
-
ND sucks
Bigly
-
The worst thing that can happen to coach is to lose your team. There's going to be times when the opponent is simply more talented, more experienced or even better coached. That happens......
.....Again, this has been mentioned, but what exactly did Wojo take away from his years on the Duke bench? Managing talent, managing egos, expectations, playing time, etc., is what Coach K has been doing successfully for years.
You must not follow Duke basketball closely. To say that K has been successfully managing his bench and talent for years could not be farther from the truth. Historically he plays a very short rotation despite having a ton of highly recruited McDonald’s AAs sitting on the bench and getting little to no playing time. His starters get worn out and have no legs by tournament time. Two years ago he had 8 burger boys on the team, played 5 and complained about no depth as why they had an early NVAA exit ad nauseum.
These players have all transferred out in the last 5-7 years and several more should have:
Jordan Tucker
Sean Obi
Chase Jeter
Derryck Thornton
Semi Ojeleye
Rasheed Sulaimon
Alex Murphy
Michael Gbinije
Olek Czyz
Elliot Williams
Taylor King
Jamal Boykin
Eric Boateng
Michael Thompson
Andre Sweet
Chris Burgess
Mike Chappell
Bill McCaffrey
Crawford Palmer
Joey Beard
Beard’s transfer has an interesting story to go with it.
He agonized over leaving, then finally went into and told k he thought it best to leave. K was like, “ok, whatever”. Some time later, Joey went down to the locker room to get his stuff. The locker room was locked, and his stuff was in a trash bag outside the door. Not. kidding. Can’t make this up. This was also about the time the student newspaper did a mid-season report card on the team and gave them an A-/B+ rating. K used this to motivate them by calling the student reporters into the locker room and cussing them out in front of the team, while saying he’d rate them A+ and threatening to ban the Chronicle if they published anymore b/s articles. To their everlasting credit, the chron reporters were wearing a wire, and the next day, the whole incident made the paper.
Good times from the “leader of men.”
Wojo’s mentor isn’t the saint he’s portrayed by the media to be.
-
Title says wojo sucks. 7th page reads about lifestyle in cali. Sup scoop.
-
You must not follow Duke basketball closely. To say that K has been successfully managing his bench and talent for years could not be farther from the truth. Historically he plays a very short rotation despite having a ton of highly recruited McDonald’s AAs sitting on the bench and getting little to no playing time. His starters get worn out and have no legs by tournament time. Two years ago he had 8 burger boys on the team, played 5 and complained about no depth as why they had an early NVAA exit ad nauseum.
These players have all transferred out in the last 5-7 years and several more should have:
Jordan Tucker
Sean Obi
Chase Jeter
Derryck Thornton
Semi Ojeleye
Rasheed Sulaimon
Alex Murphy
Michael Gbinije
Olek Czyz
Elliot Williams
Taylor King
Jamal Boykin
Eric Boateng
Michael Thompson
Andre Sweet
Chris Burgess
Mike Chappell
Bill McCaffrey
Crawford Palmer
Joey Beard
Beard’s transfer has an interesting story to go with it.
He agonized over leaving, then finally went into and told k he thought it best to leave. K was like, “ok, whatever”. Some time later, Joey went down to the locker room to get his stuff. The locker room was locked, and his stuff was in a trash bag outside the door. Not. kidding. Can’t make this up. This was also about the time the student newspaper did a mid-season report card on the team and gave them an A-/B+ rating. K used this to motivate them by calling the student reporters into the locker room and cussing them out in front of the team, while saying he’d rate them A+ and threatening to ban the Chronicle if they published anymore b/s articles. To their everlasting credit, the chron reporters were wearing a wire, and the next day, the whole incident made the paper.
Good times from the “leader of men.”
Wojo’s mentor isn’t the saint he’s portrayed by the media to be.
5-7 years? Chappel transferred in 1999. McCaffrey transferred in 1991. Beard transferred in 1995 (and didn't exactly light it up at that powerhouse, Boston U). A number of others were 1990's transfers. Obi was a rransfer in and a grad transfer out. So not only are you ridiculously inaccurate here I don't know what your point is.
-
I may be in if there's a warriordad bet
Definitely in on that
-
You just called me Billy...we will start there with that humiliation and go from there. Or are you finally going to admit you are wrong?
Which is it? And now that money is involved your are cowering away? Sad. Good charities on the line here.
No I didn't, read my post again, I just think it's cute you guys both know so much about water polo. Defensive much?
-
I'm in on the Warriordad action. No doubt that is cheeks.
-
I'm in on the Warriordad action. No doubt that is cheeks.
I’m game if he is. Billy is game, we have had conversations just finalizing the logistics.
I want commitments here first, if we are going to do this let us start seeing the Amounts people are donating for charity and the walk of shame mea culpas you are all doing when you are wrong. This only happens if there is some public shaming (all in good fun) that goes with it.
Dollars boys....meaningful dollars.
-
I’m game if he is. Billy is game, we have had conversations just finalizing the logistics.
I want commitments here first, if we are going to do this let us start seeing the Amounts people are donating for charity and the walk of shame mea culpas you are all doing when you are wrong. This only happens if there is some public shaming (all in good fun) that goes with it.
Dollars boys....meaningful dollars.
Please keep the video of Scoopers stuffing soggy dollar bills into the underpants of increasingly elaborate Chicos disguises to the underboard.
-
Definitely in on that
+1
-
I’m game if he is. Billy is game, we have had conversations just finalizing the logistics.
I want commitments here first, if we are going to do this let us start seeing the Amounts people are donating for charity and the walk of shame mea culpas you are all doing when you are wrong. This only happens if there is some public shaming (all in good fun) that goes with it.
Dollars boys....meaningful dollars.
Does this also include a caveat that you've never used any of their accounts to post under their names?
-
How 'bout hoopaloop? Different guy, too?
-
Lots of talk, no action.....step up boys...all for charity. Some of you making accusations cannot dip into that wallet eh?
-
MU has a good, if not great, team returning next year with a true star, talented and experienced complementary players, a wonderfull new home court, and a gritty, no-nonsense, no-excuse coach who has moved the team forward.
Filling the FISERV will fuel the progess.
Let's focus on this.
-
MU has a good, if not great, team returning next year with a true star, talented and experienced complementary players, a wonderfull new home court, and a gritty, no-nonsense, no-excuse coach who has moved the team forward.
Filling the FISERV will fuel the progess.
Let's focus on this.
Thanks for reminding us. It should be a fun and exciting year. Just a bit of a let down not having Sam around to potentially make us an elite type of team. But there is still hope for a great season and we should be good regardless.
Really too bad about the Hauser's, no doubt is sucks a lot.
Joey will be missed in the future as he is going to be a big time player (he just is a little slow, but if he plays the 5/4 he sure is going to be difficult to defend as he can shoot it so well as a freshman and that will only improve most likely). What he gives up on defense due to his lack of foot speed, he will more than make up for on offense at the 3 point line. He has so much potential. It will suck to have to play against him and he will be hurting us for 3 years (I suspect his initial redshirt year will be a medical redshirt year).
Granted Joey played really poorly down the stretch and was a turnover machine and probably cost us a game or two. But he gets a pass from me as a freshman after a long season. And obviously there was some other issues going on in his head apparently.
Sam, will be missed immediately in such a big way. Totally reminds me of Blankson leaving us in Wade's final year. But, Blankson leaving ended up working out okay for MU and Wade. Luckily Blankson didn't cost us an elite season, and who knows, him leaving could have been a good thing - we will never know. But I don't know if we have a Novak sitting on the bench to step up and give us something special on offense to replace a Blankson. Maybe we do and will end up with an elite season. But without Sam it definitely makes an elite season less likely.
Too bad that they both felt they had to leave together. I don't know the full story, but it seems that one wanted to go and the other (Sam) would have stayed but one leaving meant both leave. But then I also heard that a family member wanted Sam to redshirt, but I have no idea what is true and no direct inside info to know the truth from the rumors - of which there are plenty of conflicting rumors.
-
(I suspect his initial redshirt year will be a medical redshirt year).
Even if year 1 of Joey's clock is considered a medical hardship, his year in residence as a sit out transfer makes a 6 year waiver highly unlikely, if not unprecedented.
-
Even if year 1 of Joey's clock is considered a medical hardship, his year in residence as a sit out transfer makes a 6 year waiver highly unlikely, if not unprecedented.
Exactly. One has to have two years of denied opportunity due to injury to get a sixth year. A year in residence is not that.
Besides, would he even want a sixth year? He'll be playing pro somewhere by then.
-
I'm in on the Warriordad action. No doubt that is cheeks.
I'm unable to keep up: Is Cheeks Warrior dad, also JG, and several others or are they all Mazzo Burger.
-
I'm unable to keep up: Is Cheeks Warrior dad, also JG, and several others or are they all Mazzo Burger.
Nope. I’m Billy Hoyle, remember!
-
Going to be a good day today.
-
Going to be a good day today.
Cryptic
-
Nope. I’m Billy Hoyle, remember!
Truth!
-
Truth!
Nah....
-
Nope. I’m Billy Hoyle, remember!
No. I'm Billy Hoyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXR-DKjZKKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXR-DKjZKKk)
-
It's coming, wait for it.....
Going to be a good day today.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
-
No. I'm Billy Hoyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXR-DKjZKKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXR-DKjZKKk)
I'm Keith Hernandez
-
Going to be a good day today.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7aQiWkdqWoRVtiE/giphy.gif)
-
No. I'm Billy Hoyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXR-DKjZKKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXR-DKjZKKk)
Well, that's just silly. I thought your name was Raymond Johnson
-
Going to be a good day today.
So...
What was this all about?
-
Probably hopin' ta get laid, aina?
-
Well, that's just silly. I thought your name was Raymond Johnson
You can call me Ray, you can call me J, you can call me RJ, but you doesn't has to call me Johnson...
-
Going to be a good day today.
Was the extension signed and you were expecting it to be announced on Friday?
-
You can call me Ray, you can call me J, you can call me RJ, but you doesn't has to call me Johnson...
Well done
-
You can call me Ray, you can call me J, you can call me RJ, but you doesn't has to call me Johnson...
Boooooooobbby