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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: duanewade on April 12, 2019, 06:23:14 PM
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Time to get rid of the still functional McCormick Hall and instead build a new student dorm developed and operated by the Ritz Carlton company to justify $50,000 a year in annual tuition in tandem with a worthless curriculum full of Marxism taught by leftists masquerading as PhD's.
Hopefully the MU brass will be sensitive enough to have special floors in the new "hotel"/dorm for transgenders, Muslims and DACA's so as not to contaminate them with the white students who are associated with Marquette's more dark past when an "offensive" warrior was our mascot!
The good news is those Arts & Sciences degrees will get you the same jobs at Starbucks and as flight attendants that you could have gotten without the expensive MU degree and the $100,000 of student debt that comes with it. Of course the "brilliant", "hard working" team in Marquette's Career Services Center will also allow 20 different insurance companies recruiting students for 100% commission sales jobs as another career option. Marquette is always so generous to allow these insurance giants to come and entice 100 naive/desperate students dumb enough to work for free so the insurance companies make money even if only one person is successful and stays longer than six months. ;D
The not so good news is Marquette will still find you after you graduate as they somehow always get my various phone numbers even when I don't give them out. They call me not to give me a much deserved refund on my "education" but rather are shameless enough to instead ask me for more money in exchange for no more products or services. How come Boston Market doesn't call me up the next day asking for more money after I ate a meatloaf dinner there the night before? :-\
Marquette will be much improved next year on the basketball court as well and will only lose 5 of their last 7 games instead of 6 of their last 7. Good to know the one person offense of chuck and duck will continue with Markus' announcement today. The bet between my friends and I is how many fist fights break out between Marquette teammates next year when none of the other players touch the ball (assuming many of them don't transfer this off-season instead). Right now the line has been informally set at 3 and I'm taking the over as Koby McEwen is stuck here after he had to sit out a year already and will not sit idly by as he gets frozen out of the offense with a potential pro career in his future.
Finally I apologize to the board for dropping my guard and believing in Marquette late in the season. I think it was the fishbowl effect as we were beating up on bad teams and I didn't realize that Wojo hadn't changed just the level of competition we were facing was worse than usual.
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Somebody needs to get laid.
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duane, you need some weed? lemme know, aina.
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Somehow this seems like an appropriate response
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Many will look at duane's post and discredit it and that's on you. There is a lot of truth in that post if you want to drop your guard and admit it. 50K tuition per year? 200K for a 4 year degree? Insane. If you don't believe the insurance part of duane's post, I lived that in the 90's.
That said, I am glad Marcus is back, but I am hoping for a stronger team concept at the end of games or when closing out games. I am hoping the guys don't transfer and I am hoping that Wojo didn't just look good in what turned out to be a bad Big East this year.
With the way this team is constructed today, who is coming back, who is done playing, who we have coming in, and provided there are no defections or major injuries, the minimum expectation should be S16. They should also win their conference and win at least 2 games in the BET as well. They meet expectations if they lose in the S16, the season is a success if they get beyond that.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out
he said 90's, so i might be going out on a limb here, but i think he's already out and hopefully student debt-free ?-(
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he said 90's, so i might be going out on a limb here, but i think he's already out and hopefully student debt-free ?-(
Was talking to the op
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The offseason officially has arrived.
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the "brilliant", "hard working" team in Marquette's Career Services Center will also allow 20 different insurance companies recruiting students for 100% commission sales jobs as another career option.
Is this really happening? If so, then the Career Services leader needs to lose his job.
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Is this really happening? If so, then the Career Services leader needs to lose his job.
No it is not.
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I support free speech and the OP.
It's the off-season. Let it fly.
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Somebody needs to get laid.
I sure as hell know I do.
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Time to get rid of the still functional McCormick Hall and instead build a new student dorm developed and operated by the Ritz Carlton company to justify $50,000 a year in annual tuition in tandem with a worthless curriculum full of Marxism taught by leftists masquerading as PhD's.
Hopefully the MU brass will be sensitive enough to have special floors in the new "hotel"/dorm for transgenders, Muslims and DACA's so as not to contaminate them with the white students who are associated with Marquette's more dark past when an "offensive" warrior was our mascot!
The good news is those Arts & Sciences degrees will get you the same jobs at Starbucks and as flight attendants that you could have gotten without the expensive MU degree and the $100,000 of student debt that comes with it. Of course the "brilliant", "hard working" team in Marquette's Career Services Center will also allow 20 different insurance companies recruiting students for 100% commission sales jobs as another career option. Marquette is always so generous to allow these insurance giants to come and entice 100 naive/desperate students dumb enough to work for free so the insurance companies make money even if only one person is successful and stays longer than six months. ;D
The not so good news is Marquette will still find you after you graduate as they somehow always get my various phone numbers even when I don't give them out. They call me not to give me a much deserved refund on my "education" but rather are shameless enough to instead ask me for more money in exchange for no more products or services. How come Boston Market doesn't call me up the next day asking for more money after I ate a meatloaf dinner there the night before? :-\
Marquette will be much improved next year on the basketball court as well and will only lose 5 of their last 7 games instead of 6 of their last 7. Good to know the one person offense of chuck and duck will continue with Markus' announcement today. The bet between my friends and I is how many fist fights break out between Marquette teammates next year when none of the other players touch the ball (assuming many of them don't transfer this off-season instead). Right now the line has been informally set at 3 and I'm taking the over as Koby McEwen is stuck here after he had to sit out a year already and will not sit idly by as he gets frozen out of the offense with a potential pro career in his future.
Finally I apologize to the board for dropping my guard and believing in Marquette late in the season. I think it was the fishbowl effect as we were beating up on bad teams and I didn't realize that Wojo hadn't changed just the level of competition we were facing was worse than usual.
Here is my take on the opening post:
Paragraphs 1-4 are true for every mid size and large university in America. So no need to single out Marquette.
Paragraphs 5-6 I think your looking at the glass half empty. The glass half full approach says MU just returned over 90 percent of its offensive production and is adding two seasoned players who sat out last year . Further , the players understand that if they work together they can have a magical season.
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Ban dis guy
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Marquette was expensive but worth every penny. So much that I sent my son. If you don’t think it has the value, go elsewhere. Lots of cheaper options out there.
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Classic scoop.
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Anyone who has to take out $200k in loans to attend Marquette should probably not be attending Marquette.
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Anyone who has to take out $200k in loans to attend Marquette should probably not be attending Marquette.
Why is that?
Separately, are some degrees at any school worth $200k+ compared to the alternative of starting a small business and/or learning a real skill? It is not clear and the world continues to change. Some degrees are almost worthless while others are not.Choose wisely.
Believe this is superbar material.
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He spelled Markus correctly.
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Anyone who has to take out $200k in loans to attend Marquette should probably not be attending Marquette.
Somewhat related as my daughter's first choice is Marquette by a wide margin, Marquette personnel are telling her personally they want her there and the financial package (according to outside sources) by "Marquette standards" is the highest possible. And her first cousin will attend next year to boot. However, she has three other choices she has interest including another Big East school (with more interest there than the other two). That other school's offer is about 50% more. She told my wife and I that "I can't double what will just end up in student loans. That's a significant amount."
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"Paragraphs 1-4 are true for every mid size and large university in America. So no need to single out Marquette."
ohhhh, they all do it thing...so it must be ok
the problem with university education in general is the default rates up to 23%. so there are people going to college that shouldn't be and universities are charging as much as they can because...they can. i understand students are all responsible for the classes they take, but seriously, there are some classes offered, that if converted into $$/credit and its converted value toward enabling one to repay their student loans, oy vey!!
Indiana University’s Gender Studies program offers “We’re All A Little Crazy: Gender, Madness, & Popular Culture,” promising discussions on “resting b***h face” and “hails of ‘Yaaas, Queen!’”
The University of Michigan’s American Culture Department offers “Rednecks, Queers, and Country Music,” which looks into how “homophobic and racist” music “serves as a medium for multicultural social and erotic exchange among queer country fans.”
Washington & Lee University has a course on “Campus Sex in the Digital Age” and Queering Colonialism,” while the University of Illinois offers “Hip Hop Feminism” and “Queer Lives, Queer Politics.” Swarthmore College’s Religious Studies Department lets students take “Queering God: Feminist and Queer Theology” and “Queering the Bible,” and Carleton College has “Queer Religion” while Middlebury offers “Queering Food.”
Many courses fall under “intersectionality” -- the hottest trend in identity politics on college campuses, offering students classes combining forms of discrimination (i.e. racism, sexism and classism) in relation to marginalized individuals or groups.
Ivy Leagues lead the list.
Brown University’s American Studies Department offers a course that uses specific objects “including sugar, milk, vibrators, and Spanx” as case studies “to critically consider how material culture informs and signals identity.”
so tell me how any of these classes are going to help one get a job to not only get a "living wage" but also help repay their student loans
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"Paragraphs 1-4 are true for every mid size and large university in America. So no need to single out Marquette."
ohhhh, they all do it thing...so it must be ok
the problem with university education in general is the default rates up to 23%. so there are people going to college that shouldn't be and universities are charging as much as they can because...they can. i understand students are all responsible for the classes they take, but seriously, there are some classes offered, that if converted into $$/credit and its converted value toward enabling one to repay their student loans, oy vey!!
Indiana University’s Gender Studies program offers “We’re All A Little Crazy: Gender, Madness, & Popular Culture,” promising discussions on “resting b***h face” and “hails of ‘Yaaas, Queen!’”
The University of Michigan’s American Culture Department offers “Rednecks, Queers, and Country Music,” which looks into how “homophobic and racist” music “serves as a medium for multicultural social and erotic exchange among queer country fans.”
Washington & Lee University has a course on “Campus Sex in the Digital Age” and Queering Colonialism,” while the University of Illinois offers “Hip Hop Feminism” and “Queer Lives, Queer Politics.” Swarthmore College’s Religious Studies Department lets students take “Queering God: Feminist and Queer Theology” and “Queering the Bible,” and Carleton College has “Queer Religion” while Middlebury offers “Queering Food.”
Many courses fall under “intersectionality” -- the hottest trend in identity politics on college campuses, offering students classes combining forms of discrimination (i.e. racism, sexism and classism) in relation to marginalized individuals or groups.
Ivy Leagues lead the list.
Brown University’s American Studies Department offers a course that uses specific objects “including sugar, milk, vibrators, and Spanx” as case studies “to critically consider how material culture informs and signals identity.”
so tell me how any of these classes are going to help one get a job to not only get a "living wage" but also help repay their student loans
With all due respect rocket you seem to be focusing on a very specific range here. Why didn't you post anything when people talk about taking basketball studies? Heck my dad who is an accountant and lawyer took PE and Golf courses at northern Illinois. Those had nothing to do with his career and weren't going to help in the real world. This is nothing new only the titles are getting crazier because the professors want to sell students on taking the course
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Of course those are all ridiculous Rocket. Two things: 1) My kids had skin in the game so they would understand how much this costs and to take it seriously. 2) I had skin in the game and knew exactly what they were studying and what their grades were. Problem solved.
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Anyone who has to take out $200k in loans to attend Marquette should probably not be attending Marquette.
While I agree 200k for a undergrad degree is ridiculous, this really reeks of elitism. The op has some really good points buried in his manifesto. I loved my time at MU, but to think that *general* experience can't be replicated somewhere else is simply ignorant. My loans were a total pita, but I could manage. Imagine a dentist with undergrad and dental school loans looking at a 55-60k/yr starting salary. The math just stops working at some point. You don't care about this, I guess, because they can go somewhere else. Problem is that they will, and so will many others. Pretty soon the number that can or will spend what MU requires are gone, because the value just isn't there for the shrinking pool of applicants.
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This video should be mandatory viewing for every parent and high school senior before signing on the dotted line.
The college experience is amazing and fun and most of us view it as the best four years of our life. However just don't oversell it's value and by all means stop overcharging for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg
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I love how anecdotal 'documentaries' cite statistics. ::)
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I love how anecdotal 'documentaries' cite statistics. ::)
quoted for truth.
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lol, people that watch Jaywalking videos for truth.
cough*filmediting*cough
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This video should be mandatory viewing for every parent and high school senior before signing on the dotted line.
The college experience is amazing and fun and most of us view it as the best four years of our life. However just don't oversell it's value and by all means stop overcharging for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg
All the women interviewing were very Bu)$:/ty. I think things will work out in the long run for them.
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With all due respect rocket you seem to be focusing on a very specific range here. Why didn't you post anything when people talk about taking basketball studies? Heck my dad who is an accountant and lawyer took PE and Golf courses at northern Illinois. Those had nothing to do with his career and weren't going to help in the real world. This is nothing new only the titles are getting crazier because the professors want to sell students on taking the course
My old man also went to Northern and became a lawyer. Go Huskies
*fist bump*
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With all due respect rocket you seem to be focusing on a very specific range here. Why didn't you post anything when people talk about taking basketball studies? Heck my dad who is an accountant and lawyer took PE and Golf courses at northern Illinois. Those had nothing to do with his career and weren't going to help in the real world. This is nothing new only the titles are getting crazier because the professors want to sell students on taking the course
fair enough eagle, but without knowing when and where your dad went to school, the tuition costs per credit may not be as relative, but i stand corrected. i took what's his name's opera course for an elective and a little respite from the biochems and organic bios of my world. easy "A" if ya wrote a paper, "B" if ya showed up. one could also argue that opera. but majors in "fill in the blanks" studies are only in demand by those who try to create the demand. tough to pay the bills with one of those in comparison to accountants, lawyers and ahemmm, dentists
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Of course those are all ridiculous Rocket. Two things: 1) My kids had skin in the game so they would understand how much this costs and to take it seriously. 2) I had skin in the game and knew exactly what they were studying and what their grades were. Problem solved.
being a "helicopter parent" ain't all that bad after all. problem partially solved. not all kids parents know how to fly, eyn'a?
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being a "helicopter parent" ain't all that bad after all. problem partially solved. not all kids parents know how to fly, eyn'a?
It's an interesting fine line. We limited it to knowing what classes they were taking and what their grades were. I had no idea what nights they hit Caf's or when they came home. I sh*t you not, there was a mom who was just ranting on the FB Parents page last week that Commons didn't have bacon for a few days as they rotated breakfast meat offerings! O-M-G! :o
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fair enough eagle, but without knowing when and where your dad went to school, the tuition costs per credit may not be as relative, but i stand corrected. i took what's his name's opera course for an elective and a little respite from the biochems and organic bios of my world. easy "A" if ya wrote a paper, "B" if ya showed up. one could also argue that opera. but majors in "fill in the blanks" studies are only in demand by those who try to create the demand. tough to pay the bills with one of those in comparison to accountants, lawyers and ahemmm, dentists
Guess you don't know too many lawyers.
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Of course those are all ridiculous Rocket. Two things: 1) My kids had skin in the game so they would understand how much this costs and to take it seriously. 2) I had skin in the game and knew exactly what they were studying and what their grades were. Problem solved.
I was a PLC at MU which meant two summers were spent getting screwed with by DIs at Quantico, VA. During the first increment, my parents visited on a Sunday. Visits were not normal but my dad was a two star so I got pulled out of the routine for a 30 minute meeting.
While my mom went on and on about the stuff mom's go on about my dad sat silent. When he finally said something it was to tell me he had gotten me a job working construction in Arlington for the balance of the summer.
My plan had been to laze about until i headed back to MU after 6.5 weeks of pure sh1t. I pointed out to the Old Boy that I was training to be a fighter pilot in the Marine Corps and he was more focused on me digging ditches for two months.
His only reply was that I wasn't a fighter pilot yet and if I was staying at his house that summer I was digging ditches in Arlington.
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i took what's his name's opera course for an elective and a little respite from the biochems and organic bios of my world. easy "A" if ya wrote a paper, "B" if ya showed up. one could also argue that opera.
Horton Roe. Brother Horton Roe.
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While I agree 200k for a undergrad degree is ridiculous, this really reeks of elitism. The op has some really good points buried in his manifesto. I loved my time at MU, but to think that *general* experience can't be replicated somewhere else is simply ignorant. My loans were a total pita, but I could manage. Imagine a dentist with undergrad and dental school loans looking at a 55-60k/yr starting salary. The math just stops working at some point. You don't care about this, I guess, because they can go somewhere else. Problem is that they will, and so will many others. Pretty soon the number that can or will spend what MU requires are gone, because the value just isn't there for the shrinking pool of applicants.
For a person to accumulate $200k in student loans at MU it means they are paying sticker and taking out loans for 100% of their education. This means that first, their parents made too much money for them to qualify for federal grants. Then, their parents didn't save for the child's education (not the kid's fault, but needs to be taken into account). Additionally, the kid didn't do well enough in high school and the SAT/ACTs to qualify for any academic based scholarships, partial or otherwise. They also didn't qualify for any work studies, or athletic scholarships. They further aren't willing or able to offset any part of the cost by working part time or summers. Yes, that person should not attend MU.
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I mean is college worth it at all?? I never went to college and I do just fine. I'm not wealthy by any stretch, but I didn't need a college degree to get to where i am. Hard work, dependability and experience can go a long ways.
If I'm an HR manager and I have two applicants for a position and one is a 35 year old with 10+ years in the same field and has proven to be super dependable in his career, and the other is fresh out of college with a shiny new degree in the same field..I'm taking the experience and dependability every single time.
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I mean is college worth it at all?? I never went to college and I do just fine. I'm not wealthy by any stretch, but I didn't need a college degree to get to where i am. Hard work, dependability and experience can go a long ways.
If I'm an HR manager and I have two applicants for a position and one is a 35 year old with 10+ years in the same field and has proven to be super dependable in his career, and the other is fresh out of college with a shiny new degree in the same field..I'm taking the experience and dependability every single time.
Those aren't the people interviewing for that job. It's a 22 year old with a related degree vs an 18 year old with no experience or a 22 year old with three years as a McDonald's employee and 1 year as a McDonald's manager.
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Many will look at duane's post and discredit it and that's on you. There is a lot of truth in that post if you want to drop your guard and admit it. 50K tuition per year? 200K for a 4 year degree? Insane. If you don't believe the insurance part of duane's post, I lived that in the 90's.
That said, I am glad Marcus is back, but I am hoping for a stronger team concept at the end of games or when closing out games. I am hoping the guys don't transfer and I am hoping that Wojo didn't just look good in what turned out to be a bad Big East this year.
With the way this team is constructed today, who is coming back, who is done playing, who we have coming in, and provided there are no defections or major injuries, the minimum expectation should be S16. They should also win their conference and win at least 2 games in the BET as well. They meet expectations if they lose in the S16, the season is a success if they get beyond that.
MarKus*... You should have spent more money on school.
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What the hell is this post about by the way?
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Guess you don't know too many lawyers.
actually more than i care to admit-there's probably 6 between my wife's and my family including a retired judge. then there's the acquaintances i got to know tending bar at hegarty's...so ya guessed wrong, but that's ok
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Horton Roe. Brother Horton Roe.
hey! thanks for that jonny! now that's an opera lovin dudes name right there, eyn'a?
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Those aren't the people interviewing for that job. It's a 22 year old with a related degree vs an 18 year old with no experience or a 22 year old with three years as a McDonald's employee and 1 year as a McDonald's manager.
In that scenario, I'm not hiring any of them...I can't trust a 22 year old to show up for work every day, and I sure as hell can't trust an 18 year old to either.
And you don't know that. Maybe this is a good paying job(which is what I was referring too), and the 35 yr old has a chance to make more money than he is now. I'm not hiring a 22 year old fresh out of college for a high paying job, that I need dependability from that person. I'm just not.
I will 100% guarantee you that 35 year old with 10+ years of experience in that field and no degree, will do a MUCH better job than a 22 year old fresh out of college with his shiny piece of paper. Experience to me, matters a lot, and it should to every employer.
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In that scenario, I'm not hiring any of them...I can't trust a 22 year old to show up for work every day, and I sure as hell can't trust an 18 year old to either.
And you don't know that. Maybe this is a good paying job(which is what I was referring too), and the 35 yr old has a chance to make more money than he is now. I'm not hiring a 22 year old fresh out of college for a high paying job, that I need dependability from that person. I'm just not.
I will 100% guarantee you that 35 year old with 10+ years of experience in that field and no degree, will do a MUCH better job than a 22 year old fresh out of college with his shiny piece of paper. Experience to me, matters a lot, and it should to every employer.
A 22 year old fresh out of college does not apply for a job where he will be competing with 35 year olds with 10 years of experience. To do so is wasting your and the interviewers time. So, once again, that's not the applicant pool the 22 year old is competing with.
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What the hell is this post about by the way?
The new NM
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I think that in the Knowledge Economy a post grad degree has become essential.
Try getting into a top notch grad school without an undergrad degree. Here's the bottom line: You won't.
To be genuinely competitive and effective in the fields where you can both make scratch and make a difference you need the academic credentials that not only open the door but give you the empowering tools to perform.
The only area I know of that doesn't "require" at least a bachelor's degree is coding. But that is eroding fast. theBabyDavid's mother works at MSFT and the cachet of being a non-degreed super geek are almost gone.
MSFT recruits aggressively for the best talent at five universities: MIT, Cal Tech, Michigan, Carnegie Mellon, and GA Tech. They are going after the best computer engineering and computer science grads available. And the same holds true for Amazon, Google, Apple, Intel, et al
If you want to improve your odds of being competitive you need to go to college. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
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MarKus*... You should have spent more money on school.
So the guy who started the board on a frenzy a few weeks back by posting that Markus was turning pro (which has since been proven false) nips my post because I spelled Markus wrong? Maybe if you could have saved a few extra dollars in your tuition, you could have paid for better sources.
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What the hell is this post about by the way?
The forum is notorious for that! LOL drives me nuts.
They make a subject title...you click on it if it has some interest for you...you sift through the first 3 posts...AND THEY DO NOT MENTION ANYTHING THAT THE POST was supposed to be about.
The conversation is completely opposite to what the title post said. A complete waste of 2 minutes of my time...lol
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politics.
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Finally a dumb post where it's too far into politics. Can we ban this guy now?
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politics.
Damn, sorry I missed this
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This is a free country and free message board, or so I thought. My post was related to the original thread and the basketball program.
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This is a free country and free message board, or so I thought. My post was related to the original thread and the basketball program.
Nope, not a free message board, but Rocky takes care of the cost for you. We have one or two rules. No politics is one of them, but not even that is heavily enforced. However, if you are a repeat offender that we actually have to moderate then yes, you can find yourself on the wrong side of the ban hammer.
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Nope, not a free message board, but Rocky takes care of the cost for you. We have one or two rules. No politics is one of them, but not even that is heavily enforced. However, if you are a repeat offender that we actually have to moderate then yes, you can find yourself on the wrong side of the ban hammer.
So Cal, from the abyss, wields the banhammer with deftness, and deadly accuracy.
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This is a free country and free message board, or so I thought. My post was related to the original thread and the basketball program.
Write a letter, aina?
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This is a free country and free message board, or so I thought. My post was related to the original thread and the basketball program.
Can you please provide your thoughts on Hausergate. I for one appreciate your nuanced point of view.Thanks.
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Nope, not a free message board, but Rocky takes care of the cost for you. We have one or two rules. No politics is one of them, but not even that is heavily enforced. However, if you are a repeat offender that we actually have to moderate then yes, you can find yourself on the wrong side of the ban hammer.
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So Cal, from the abyss, wields the banhammer with deftness, and deadly accuracy.
Known as the Thor from SoCal, hey?
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Can you please provide your thoughts on Hausergate. I for one appreciate your nuanced point of view.Thanks.
Herman....Too bad they kept taking my post down a couple weeks ago as I regularly predict future events with a 90% accuracy long before they happen. I was a little off on when they would announce Wojo's contract extension but I'm sure after next year's NIT appearance the AD will announce they've extended Wojo's contract again in perpetuity. Only makes sense that they will do this as it's consistent with giving him a 5 year extension after getting blown out by a mid-major in the 1st round. The sad thing is MU had a roster more talented than this year's Virginia team and last year's Final 4 Loyola team yet we played like we didn't even belong in the NIT down the stretch.
My original post was:
Meanwhile the Hauser's just both cemented their future in the NBA. Any GM worth his salt will realize that they are looking at two tall, elite shooters who also enjoy smarts, conviction and balls. Most kids would have just stayed the course and been comfortable with all the losing and their coach dorking them around. However the Hausers being winners hold people to account and when Wojo didn't live up to his end of the bargain they took the harder road by opting to walk. I have no doubt this will work out great for both of them. Sam was a warrior and deserves to show what he can do in March on a team with a serious coach during his last year of eligibility. :)
Unfortunately what's left of the Marquette team will lead to a season just worse than the Rowsey's senior year at Marquette. I think we'll make the NIT but won't get to host three games in the NIT and will bow out in the first or second round.
Buzz would have found a way to maximize the team's collective quickness to create turnovers and get easy baskets to offset the team's lack of driving ability and underneath scoring. However under Wojo it will just be more three point launching, poor strategy and nominal player development.
After next season the corrupt MU establishment, who is just interested in portraying MU's new choir boy image and making money off of basketball, will announce they have agreed to a lifetime contact extension with Coach Wojo! They will proclaim he embodies what the university stands for while also announcing the "exciting" conference additions of Dayton and Duquesne to ensure he can at least come close to going .500 in conference games. :-[ ::)
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Herman....Too bad they kept taking my post down a couple weeks ago as I regularly predict future events with a 90% accuracy long before they happen. I was a little off on when they would announce Wojo's contract extension but I'm sure after next year's NIT appearance the AD will announce they've extended Wojo's contract again in perpetuity. Only makes sense that they will do this as it's consistent with giving him a 5 year extension after getting blown out by a mid-major in the 1st round. The sad thing is MU had a roster more talented than this year's Virginia team and last year's Final 4 Loyola team yet we played like we didn't even belong in the NIT down the stretch.
My original post was:
Meanwhile the Hauser's just both cemented their future in the NBA. Any GM worth his salt will realize that they are looking at two tall, elite shooters who also enjoy smarts, conviction and balls. Most kids would have just stayed the course and been comfortable with all the losing and their coach dorking them around. However the Hausers being winners hold people to account and when Wojo didn't live up to his end of the bargain they took the harder road by opting to walk. I have no doubt this will work out great for both of them. Sam was a warrior and deserves to show what he can do in March on a team with a serious coach during his last year of eligibility. :)
Unfortunately what's left of the Marquette team will lead to a season just worse than the Rowsey's senior year at Marquette. I think we'll make the NIT but won't get to host three games in the NIT and will bow out in the first or second round.
Buzz would have found a way to maximize the team's collective quickness to create turnovers and get easy baskets to offset the team's lack of driving ability and underneath scoring. However under Wojo it will just be more three point launching, poor strategy and nominal player development.
After next season the corrupt MU establishment, who is just interested in portraying MU's new choir boy image and making money off of basketball, will announce they have agreed to a lifetime contact extension with Coach Wojo! They will proclaim he embodies what the university stands for while also announcing the "exciting" conference additions of Dayton and Duquesne to ensure he can at least come close to going .500 in conference games. :-[ ::)
Who invited the good news bear??? Some one get him some sweet honey.
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How come they couldn't just implode it? Is it too close to other buildings to do that?
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The trash bag draperies are apt.
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Any petrified Tombstone Pizzas found yet?
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Just as I remember it in '99-00.
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How come they couldn't just implode it? Is it too close to other buildings to do that?
Recovery of building items for recycling. It's much cheaper and easier to dismantle this way rather than blow it up and sort through the rubble.
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Thankfully there's been no construction dust to speak of, seeing as how the entire building is still soaked in beer.
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Duanewade is one wise politically incorrect lad, a lone but most important voice who understands the indoctrination system of psychological imprisonment.
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As McCormick Hall falls Marq Magazine continues to highlight the benefits of this $50,000/yr "education" that includes Soledad O'Brien being part of a panel on inclusivity, Marquette's new police chief as a ceiling breaker, and a female 2013 MU educated reporter who exposes hunger, poverty and inequities in general (yep so much hunger in America where my Irish friend once told me that even the poor people in America are fat).
Meanwhile Marquette takes all the loot they steal from students and alumni alike to build a state of the art
"Human Performance Research Center"???????? So much for Wisconsin being a state of beer, cheese curds and 8 month winters as it's now apparently a mecca for world class fitness! Now if only MU can find any sufficient revenue streams to keep this center from becoming a money drain so the university won't have to raise tuition to $75,000/yr to pay for the losses. I can't believe no PE money wanted to jump in and co-invest to such a well thought out business plan? ::) :'(
As someone who has dated women of all races and who had a hot date with a gorgeous black woman this past Saturday (she told me the security guard kept hitting on her every time I went to the bathroom, yep she was hot!) I can give way more insight on inclusivity and common sense to the students than some fake celebrity like Soledad O'Brien. However Marquette will only call me if I charge $40,000 per each guest appearance as they love wasting money so they can in turn overcharge the students for their "education"! :(
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As McCormick Hall falls Marq Magazine continues to highlight the benefits of this $50,000/yr "education" that includes Soledad O'Brien being part of a panel on inclusivity, Marquette's new police chief as a ceiling breaker, and a female 2013 MU educated reporter who exposes hunger, poverty and inequities in general (yep so much hunger in America where my Irish friend once told me that even the poor people in America are fat).
Meanwhile Marquette takes all the loot they steal from students and alumni alike to build a state of the art
"Human Performance Research Center"???????? So much for Wisconsin being a state of beer, cheese curds and 8 month winters as it's now apparently a mecca for world class fitness! Now if only MU can find any sufficient revenue streams to keep this center from becoming a money drain so the university won't have to raise tuition to $75,000/yr to pay for the losses. I can't believe no PE money wanted to jump in and co-invest to such a well thought out business plan? ::) :'(
As someone who has dated women of all races and who had a hot date with a gorgeous black woman this past Saturday (she told me the security guard kept hitting on her every time I went to the bathroom, yep she was hot!) I can give way more insight on inclusivity and common sense to the students than some fake celebrity like Soledad O'Brien. However Marquette will only call me if I charge $40,000 per each guest appearance as they love wasting money so they can in turn overcharge the students for their "education"! :(
I don't know how old your irish friend is but nobodys been hungry there since the early 90s. Also fat is actually relative to diet and lack of activity it has nothing to do with how wealthy or poor you are. Unless you're trying to draw a correlation to food deserts and lack of nutritional education in poor areas which given your posts of late I'd be shocked if you had the sense to do.
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that's one way to unclog the pipes of all those flushed 'finger cots" eyn'er? i'd stay clear of bradford beach for a few weeks
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Recovery of building items for recycling. It's much cheaper and easier to dismantle this way rather than blow it up and sort through the rubble.
Thanks for the explanation
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As McCormick Hall falls Marq Magazine continues to highlight the benefits of this $50,000/yr "education" that includes Soledad O'Brien being part of a panel on inclusivity, Marquette's new police chief as a ceiling breaker, and a female 2013 MU educated reporter who exposes hunger, poverty and inequities in general (yep so much hunger in America where my Irish friend once told me that even the poor people in America are fat).
Meanwhile Marquette takes all the loot they steal from students and alumni alike to build a state of the art
"Human Performance Research Center"???????? So much for Wisconsin being a state of beer, cheese curds and 8 month winters as it's now apparently a mecca for world class fitness! Now if only MU can find any sufficient revenue streams to keep this center from becoming a money drain so the university won't have to raise tuition to $75,000/yr to pay for the losses. I can't believe no PE money wanted to jump in and co-invest to such a well thought out business plan? ::) :'(
As someone who has dated women of all races and who had a hot date with a gorgeous black woman this past Saturday (she told me the security guard kept hitting on her every time I went to the bathroom, yep she was hot!) I can give way more insight on inclusivity and common sense to the students than some fake celebrity like Soledad O'Brien. However Marquette will only call me if I charge $40,000 per each guest appearance as they love wasting money so they can in turn overcharge the students for their "education"! :(
Well written. You should send to Lovell.
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As McCormick Hall falls Marq Magazine continues to highlight the benefits of this $50,000/yr "education" that includes Soledad O'Brien being part of a panel on inclusivity, Marquette's new police chief as a ceiling breaker, and a female 2013 MU educated reporter who exposes hunger, poverty and inequities in general (yep so much hunger in America where my Irish friend once told me that even the poor people in America are fat).
Meanwhile Marquette takes all the loot they steal from students and alumni alike to build a state of the art
"Human Performance Research Center"???????? So much for Wisconsin being a state of beer, cheese curds and 8 month winters as it's now apparently a mecca for world class fitness! Now if only MU can find any sufficient revenue streams to keep this center from becoming a money drain so the university won't have to raise tuition to $75,000/yr to pay for the losses. I can't believe no PE money wanted to jump in and co-invest to such a well thought out business plan? ::) :'(
As someone who has dated women of all races and who had a hot date with a gorgeous black woman this past Saturday (she told me the security guard kept hitting on her every time I went to the bathroom, yep she was hot!) I can give way more insight on inclusivity and common sense to the students than some fake celebrity like Soledad O'Brien. However Marquette will only call me if I charge $40,000 per each guest appearance as they love wasting money so they can in turn overcharge the students for their "education"! :(
So you had to explicitly state the race of the woman you dated. Very inclusive of you.
You might want to go visit some poor rural parts of the US, might change your mind, or maybe not since you seem more fixated on self adulation. Related to Herman Cain / 9-9-9?
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McCormick no longer
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Great spot for a new Rec Center.😉
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Great spot for a new Rec Center.😉
True end of an era
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Good riddance
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Great spot for a new Rec Center.😉
For sure, but hasn’t the plan changed and something else is going there instead?
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For sure, but hasn’t the plan changed and something else is going there instead?
The Arby's Mega-Experience Store breaks ground on Monday.
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The Arby's Mega-Experience Store breaks ground on Monday.
Featuring "Is it Horsey Sauce or..."
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Looks weird not being there.
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Its like seeing a long lost friend that lost an arm.
RIP McCormick
God Bless America
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Its like seeing a long lost friend that lost an arm.
RIP McCormick
God Bless America
Major dittos to this
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Major dittos to this
All the way fm N. FL today, on my way to the Packer game and saw it today. Been a long time since the last time and to be honest, sad to see it go!
I remember the shredded phone books tossed out the lounge windows the night MU won in 1977 like yesterday. What a great night!
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All the way fm N. FL today, on my way to the Packer game and saw it today. Been a long time since the last time and to be honest, sad to see it go!
I remember the shredded phone books tossed out the lounge windows the night MU won in 1977 like yesterday. What a great night!
Great story...you might want to explain what a phone book is.
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For sure, but hasn’t the plan changed and something else is going there instead?
It's complicated...
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It's complicated...
Not that complicated. They don’t have the money. Fundraising has not matched Lovell’s ambitions. He’s run all sorts of people out after labeling them as bad apples, but the replacements are struggling as well. Board needs to ask more questions.
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Not that complicated. They don’t have the money. Fundraising has not matched Lovell’s ambitions. He’s run all sorts of people out after labeling them as bad apples, but the replacements are struggling as well. Board needs to ask more questions.
I don't think there's many people that thought the master plan was really sustainable in the first place.
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I don't think there's many people that thought the master plan was really sustainable in the first place.
“Not really sustainable in the first place” is the entire motto of the Lovell tenure. Budget, fundraising, enrollment, etc. Ambitions way exceed capabilities.
Probably why Wojo has a long leash. At least that part of the enterprise is functioning somewhat well.
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“Not really sustainable in the first place” is the entire motto of the Lovell tenure. Budget, fundraising, enrollment, etc. Ambitions way exceed capabilities.
Probably why Wojo has a long leash. At least that part of the enterprise is functioning somewhat well.
This is a little harsh.
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“Not really sustainable in the first place” is the entire motto of the Lovell tenure. Budget, fundraising, enrollment, etc. Ambitions way exceed capabilities.
Probably why Wojo has a long leash. At least that part of the enterprise is functioning somewhat well.
Regardless, campus will be better without McCormick still attending.
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“Not really sustainable in the first place” is the entire motto of the Lovell tenure. Budget, fundraising, enrollment, etc. Ambitions way exceed capabilities.
Probably why Wojo has a long leash. At least that part of the enterprise is functioning somewhat well.
Better to be ambitious than complacent. With that Eye sore gone, at bare minimum, a green space can be created.
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Better to be ambitious than complacent. With that Eye sore gone, at bare minimum, a green space can be created.
No one thinks McCormick should have stayed. And the problem isn’t the ambition. It’s the ambition with large price tags and strategies that aren’t realistic in the current climate.
Betting big bucks now on future enrollment growth down the line was an insane strategy. Relying on major fundraising while hiring three development VPs because they can’t meet your outsized goals is dumb.
I’m not arguing for complacency. I’m arguing for sound strategy that has a basis in reality and not just in Mike Lovell’s head.
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Will be a great location for future building(s). I'm all for waiting and building scholarship endowments as the primary goal. If it is going to remain green space for a while, I'd hope they really do something with it - e.g. a beer garden, food collective for the spring, summer, fall would be great... bands, etc. Maybe even a smaller permanent pub and ice skating, in the winter.
Is a new business school still discussed to built in that spot dead? In the long run, residence hall or hotel would be a better fit for that area. I know that a hotel would have issues with how the income is earned, but I'm sure there are ways around that.
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Is a new business school still discussed to built in that spot dead? In the long run, residence hall or hotel would be a better fit for that area. I know that a hotel would have issues with how the income is earned, but I'm sure there are ways around that.
As far as a hotel, SLU turned their old hospital into one, so I it has certainly been done. I am not sure if that's the highest and best use for that spot, however.
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MU would be best advised to settle down on construction as prices are skyrocketing in the region.
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PTM: Agreed, if they can. It won't keep going like it is, if history is any guide, and it is. So, it will should be cheaper to build in the future. I also worry about quality at this point in the building cycle, too any projects chasing too little knowledge/experience. But it is also easier to raise money now when times are good and people feel flush than it will be when it is cheaper to build in the future.
Warrior Chick: McCormick is a prime location, agreed. Should be a flagship type of MU building. But, it would also be a prime spot for a hotel. That would be a great spot for visitors, alumni, etc. Very visible for non-MU types as well. But, if not at that spot, then an MU hotel at another spot would be nice - but it can't be on the fringes to work well.
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What ever goes in, it needs a 24 hour Real Chili.
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PTM: Agreed, if they can. It won't keep going like it is, if history is any guide, and it is. So, it will should be cheaper to build in the future. I also worry about quality at this point in the building cycle, too any projects chasing too little knowledge/experience. But it is also easier to raise money now when times are good and people feel flush than it will be when it is cheaper to build in the future.
Warrior Chick: McCormick is a prime location, agreed. Should be a flagship type of MU building. But, it would also be a prime spot for a hotel. That would be a great spot for visitors, alumni, etc. Very visible for non-MU types as well. But, if not at that spot, then an MU hotel at another spot would be nice - but it can't be on the fringes to work well.
Is it that much of a pain to stay at a hotel a mere 10 blocks east of campus? Lots of hotels down there with more to do. In my opinion a hotel would be down the list of priorities.
Agree with your comments on the fund raising and building cycles. Could always fundraise now, build later to take advantage of the economic timing.
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Is it that much of a pain to stay at a hotel a mere 10 blocks east of campus? Lots of hotels down there with more to do. In my opinion a hotel would be down the list of priorities.
Agree with your comments on the fund raising and building cycles. Could always fundraise now, build later to take advantage of the economic timing.
More like 4-6 blocks. The Ambassador is at 23rd and Wisconsin, and their are several hotels near 6th and Wisconsin. Potowatomi is technically only a few hundred feet from campus since it is across the street from Valley Fields.
It would be one thing if there was a huge shortage of decent places to stay in close proximity to campus (as is the case with SLU), but that's not the case.
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More like 4-6 blocks. The Ambassador is at 23rd and Wisconsin, and their are several hotels near 6th and Wisconsin. Potowatomi is technically only a few hundred feet from campus since it is across the street from Valley Fields.
It would be one thing if there was a huge shortage of decent places to stay in close proximity to campus (as is the case with SLU), but that's not the case.
Having lived across the street from the Ambassador, I just can’t get my head to staying there. I know it is pretty nice, but I would much rather stay by the river and ultimately the lake.
But agree with you, there is no need for hotels.
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I’d have absolutely 0 interest at a hotel in the dead center of a college campus unless it’s next to a football field or basketball arena and I’m attending a game there. Given that we don’t have a football team and we play basketball off campus neither of those are an issue.
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Having lived across the street from the Ambassador, I just can’t get my head to staying there. I know it is pretty nice, but I would much rather stay by the river and ultimately the lake.
But agree with you, there is no need for hotels.
That was a long long time ago, campus has changed a lot since you probably last stepped foot.
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I’d have absolutely 0 interest at a hotel in the dead center of a college campus unless it’s next to a football field or basketball arena and I’m attending a game there. Given that we don’t have a football team and we play basketball off campus neither of those are an issue.
Oh, come on. Let’s build a hotel there, and maybe an art instillation and some cool fountains too. I mean, MU has so much prime real estate at its disposal we can use land in the middle of campus to attract tourists instead of helping recruit students and improve campus life.
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More like 4-6 blocks. The Ambassador is at 23rd and Wisconsin, and their are several hotels near 6th and Wisconsin. Potowatomi is technically only a few hundred feet from campus since it is across the street from Valley Fields.
It would be one thing if there was a huge shortage of decent places to stay in close proximity to campus (as is the case with SLU), but that's not the case.
A few things.....When exactly is the last time you’ve been to SLU? A hotel at 16th and Wisconsin for MU would not be the best use of that space for MU. Not enough demand. Needs to be a space that can be used by many MU students and community.
SLU is located in an area of the city called Midtown. There is over $1billion in development going on in the area. Your previous post mentioned SLU selling their old hospital to turn it into a hotel. Do you mean Water Tower Inn/Salus Center? 20 years ago SLU bought a vacant 50 year old hospital near its Medical campus (Incarnate Word Hospital South Side) renovated it to make part of it a hotel for visiting SLU people, a gym, and University space. That was short lived 20 years ago. Today it’s home to SLU’s school of Public Health and other.
People who stayed at SLU’s hotel many years ago liked it but it wasn’t a desired location. Many said it was clean, spacious, good service all that, discounted for SLU families etc..but often the desire was to stay in an area with other things going on. It was more of a have to work at SLU Medical etc...kind of thing. This was quite some time ago. And it was marketed exclusively to SLU connected people.....The area immediately surrounding MU is not a place where many come in and do business such as Cortex at SLU, or near other entertainment or other hotels or tourist attractions etc...such as Grand Center N of SLU or Union Station E of SLU.
SLU and Marquette are apples and oranges when it comes to campus footprints. SLU is over 300 acres. MU is over 100 acres. SLU has also been re-developing 400 additional acres near its campus. Similar to MU, in SLU recently completed 2 new dorms in prime campus locations and remodeled a 3rd.
There are many hotels on SLU’s campus, or within the same distance to SLU’s campus as the Ambassador is to the Al Center: Hotel Ignacio, Angard Arts Hotel, Residence Inn Marriott, Courtyard Marriott, Drury Inn, Pear Tree Inn, Fairfield Inn (new), Element by Westin (new), Aloft by Marriott (new).....all diff directions.....if you go slightly over that distance, which is just over a mile, another Drury, Home2Suites by Hilton, Holiday Inn, ........this doesn’t count the dozens and dozens of hotels that are closer to downtown which is anywhere from about 2 miles or so from SLU, or other directions such as CWE/Forest Park. Four Seasons, Hyatt, Hilton, etc....There will also be a new hotel on campus at City Foundry site 40/64 and Grand Ave, as well as next to the new $550 million hospital and medical center in a larger mixed use development which includes housing, retail. There have actually been 13 new and counting hotels in the area.
SLU is a founder of the highly popular and successful West neighboring Cortex Innovative District. .....so this is immediately West of their campus with a new Metrolink Light Rail stop there as well. Immediately North is the Grand Center arts and theater district.....immediately East is newly redeveloped Union Station. And it will be home to the new 30,000 seat MLS soccer stadium w/new hotels. .....immediately South past SLU’s own redeveloped Metrolink, City Foundry Armory district and light rail stop is all of their Medical hospital development on the South end. ....MU doesn’t have all of these things going on surrounding its campus.
These are just a few of the things that have been going on near SLU just the past 5 years.
https://www.slu.edu/news/2016/november/redevelopment-plan-released.php
If there isn’t enough student housing, make it that. Otherwise make it something can be used by a broad, diverse spectrum of students for a long time.
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Building a hotel on campus would be a poor idea. Too much local competition.
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End of an era. Fantastic memories, but the ugliest building on campus will make way for something more attractive.
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That was a long long time ago, campus has changed a lot since you probably last stepped foot.
Well, I was there three times last year, twice the year before, twice the year before. I have one child that is a student there now and fly in at least once a year to see old friends, colleagues from the athletic dept, etc.
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I have little interest in staying on campus. School doesn’t need a hotel.
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End of an era. Fantastic memories, but the ugliest building on campus will make way for something more attractive.
Lalumier Hall would beg to differ. And no fantastic memories for me in there other than turning in my last final exam as an undergrad.
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End of an era. Fantastic memories, but the ugliest building on campus will make way for something more attractive.
Lalumier and the wehr buildings are exponentially worse.
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Jesus people, the answer is obvious:
(https://snipboard.io/XOVIL8.jpg)
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Jesus people, the answer is obvious:
(https://snipboard.io/XOVIL8.jpg)
Yep. Shut it down.
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Jesus people, the answer is obvious:
(https://snipboard.io/XOVIL8.jpg)
There's never been a more appropriate use of photoshop
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Well, I was there three times last year, twice the year before, twice the year before. I have one child that is a student there now and fly in at least once a year to see old friends, colleagues from the athletic dept, etc.
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I have little interest in staying on campus. School doesn’t need a hotel.
Then I'll eat crow here. And I 100% agree. A hotel would be an awful idea.
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Lalumier Hall would beg to differ. And no fantastic memories for me in there other than turning in my last final exam as an undergrad.
100% Lala is a stain that must be cleansed!
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Lalumier Hall would beg to differ. And no fantastic memories for me in there other than turning in my last final exam as an undergrad.
Lalumier and the wehr buildings are exponentially worse.
100% Lala is a stain that must be cleansed!
While I don't disagree with any of you (and in fact, that was my first thought as well when I read WarriorDad's post), it is undignified to debate which if the 1/10s still in the bar at closing time is the ugliest.
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My understanding is Wehr Life Sciences is going to be replaced as part of the master plan. That is where the BioDiversity building is going to go. And that is a good idea since it is the oldest of the three science buildings. Wehr Physics and Chemistry are going to be renovated.
The problem with Laliemere is that a social science / humanities building can last a long time. It's just offices and classrooms. No labs. No complex infrastructure. Furthermore, donors aren't usually lining up to build those types of buildings. It's simply cheaper to keep and renovate rather than replace.
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Lalumier Hall would beg to differ. And no fantastic memories for me in there other than turning in my last final exam as an undergrad.
It is up there for ugly, but tucked into campus and largely out of site. McCormick on Wisconsin Ave is a focal point, but the other buildings some of the public never sees.
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It is up there for ugly, but tucked into campus and largely out of site. McCormick on Wisconsin Ave is a focal point, but the other buildings some of the public never sees.
LaLu does have frontage views from 94. Outside of the law library, that's a tough look at campus. The Old Gym is awesome, but the block ROTC additions absolutely destroy that building.
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LaLu does have frontage views from 94. Outside of the law library, that's a tough look at campus. The Old Gym is awesome, but the block ROTC additions absolutely destroy that building.
Long term plans are to knock the end off of the Old Gym and turn it into event space, which would be awesome. Have your wedding at Gesu and then stroll over to where Al made it happen to have your reception.
Also if they haven't hit up Dwyane to pay for this, someone in advancement needs to be fired.
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Long term plans are to knock the end off of the Old Gym and turn it into event space, which would be awesome. Have your wedding at Gesu and then stroll over to where Al made it happen to have your reception.
Also if they haven't hit up Dwyane to pay for this, someone in advancement needs to be fired.
Does MU really have a plan/aspiration to get into the wedding reception business?
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Does MU really have a plan/aspiration to get into the wedding reception business?
They should. Tons of alumni get married at Gesu and have pictures taken on campus. Having a nice reception space would be good. Colleges and universities do this all the time.
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They should. Tons of alumni get married at Gesu and have pictures taken on campus. Having a nice reception space would be good. Colleges and universities do this all the time.
And it's not just wedding receptions. I am sure there are tons of alumni who would think it was cool to hold corporate events there, and it should be a step up from the AMU ballrooms for nicer Marquette functions.
The beautiful thing about it is that after the upgrades are paid for, there would be very little overhead except for utilities and perhaps an event planner. Every outside booking would make money for the school.
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They should. Tons of alumni get married at Gesu and have pictures taken on campus. Having a nice reception space would be good. Colleges and universities do this all the time.
My wife asked about getting married at Joan of Arc and was told they didn't do weddings (this was 2002), then when she offered a donation the individual got mad! That would be another great revenue stream. I would have loved to have reduced the size of our guest list by about 150 to have our wedding at Joan of Arc. Gesu was simply too big.
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My wife asked about getting married at Joan of Arc and was told they didn't do weddings (this was 2002), then when she offered a donation the individual got mad! That would be another great revenue stream. I would have loved to have reduced the size of our guest list by about 150 to have our wedding at Joan of Arc. Gesu was simply too big.
Meetings and conferences are also a big opportunity that can bring business, government, non-profits and academics together. See the Democratic Convention.
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Lalumier Hall would beg to differ. And no fantastic memories for me in there other than turning in my last final exam as an undergrad.
No way!
Lalumiere is where I met Ms. Dgies. 43 years later, we've been married 39 years and loving every minute of it.
It may be ugly, of questionable functionality, but it's a leftover 1960s building and worth preserving.
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Meetings and conferences are also a big opportunity that can bring business, government, non-profits and academics together. See the Democratic Convention.
Considering the hotel shortages already being predicted for the DNC this summer, MU has a great opportunity to make a lot of money renting out the halls and apartments this summer, especially to the youth organizations. It could be a good recruiting opportunity for MU too if there are HS groups coming in (please don't make this political, people!).
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Considering the hotel shortages already being predicted for the DNC this summer, MU has a great opportunity to make a lot of money renting out the halls and apartments this summer, especially to the youth organizations. It could be a good recruiting opportunity for MU too if there are HS groups coming in (please don't make this political, people!).
I believe they plan to do that.
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Considering the hotel shortages already being predicted for the DNC this summer, MU has a great opportunity to make a lot of money renting out the halls and apartments this summer, especially to the youth organizations. It could be a good recruiting opportunity for MU too if there are HS groups coming in (please don't make this political, people!).
From what I’ve heard from kids’ friends who have visited MU, I’m not sure putting potential students in the dorms would be good for recruiting. ;) Granted, I’m not sure any saw the new dorm.
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From what I’ve heard from kids’ friends who have visited MU, I’m not sure putting potential students in the dorms would be good for recruiting. ;) Granted, I’m not sure any saw the new dorm.
Even if you don't count the Commons, Marquette's dorms stack up quite well against those of other schools I have visited. I would take any of Marquette's residence halls against those concrete block towers most state schools have.
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Even if you don't count the Commons, Marquette's dorms stack up quite well against those of other schools I have visited. I would take any of Marquette's residence halls against those concrete block towers most state schools have.
IMO, MU's dorms are a bit below average compared to most of the dorms in most of the schools that I have visited. But, I realize that this is probably unfair for a couple of reasons. First, I haven't been in an MU dorm for many, many years. I'm sure they have been redone several times. But, in my experience, another 25+ years of use doesn't generally make dorms more attractive. This is why I referred to the opinions of my kids' friends who visited and toured MU. I made a point of it to ask all of them what they thought and specifically how the dorms were (because I really wondered how they had held up since there hadn't been any new dorms in a long time). The reviews were not good. Going by our personal experience, most of the dorms at my son's school (Elon) were much nicer than anything I remember at Marquette (although he did spend one year as an RA in one that was pretty bad - worse than anything I recall at MU). Most of the dorms at Georgetown are a little rough, although she did get a nice one this year. My daughter's dorm at Purdue is fantastic, but they also have some really old ones that are not nearly as nice. I've seen a lot of dorms at other schools in the MW and, as I said, I think they were on average nicer than I remember at MU.
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Even if you don't count the Commons, Marquette's dorms stack up quite well against those of other schools I have visited. I would take any of Marquette's residence halls against those concrete block towers most state schools have.
Wrong. Which MU dorm has hair and nail salons for women? MU=middle of the road, hey?
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Even if you don't count the Commons, Marquette's dorms stack up quite well against those of other schools I have visited. I would take any of Marquette's residence halls against those concrete block towers most state schools have.
Agreed vs state schools.
However, vs other small, private universities - in my opinion - MU lags significantly behind.
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Agreed vs state schools.
However, vs other small, private universities - in my opinion - MU lags significantly behind.
And way behind on the Athletic Dorms.
I long for the days when Lar-Arz wanted to billet underclass players in McCormick and feed them dorm hash.
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And way behind on the Athletic Dorms.
I long for the days when Lar-Arz wanted to billet underclass players in McCormick and feed them dorm hash.
I did 10 college tours with my son a few years ago, about to do 5 to 10 with my daughter. Most of the schools we went to did not have athletic dorms, of course that term is a misnomer now anyway since majority of students have to be regular students.
MU’s dorms were about average compared to others. Utah’s were awesome, essentially the Olympic village from the Salt Lake games. Oregon ok, some good some bad. IU same. Pitt, same. Colorado were nice. Arizona were so so. LMU a mix of awesome and total crap, etc. Syracuse, same. Etc etc
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IMO, MU's dorms are a bit below average compared to most of the dorms in most of the schools that I have visited. But, I realize that this is probably unfair for a couple of reasons. First, I haven't been in an MU dorm for many, many years. I'm sure they have been redone several times. But, in my experience, another 25+ years of use doesn't generally make dorms more attractive. This is why I referred to the opinions of my kids' friends who visited and toured MU. I made a point of it to ask all of them what they thought and specifically how the dorms were (because I really wondered how they had held up since there hadn't been any new dorms in a long time). The reviews were not good. Going by our personal experience, most of the dorms at my son's school (Elon) were much nicer than anything I remember at Marquette (although he did spend one year as an RA in one that was pretty bad - worse than anything I recall at MU). Most of the dorms at Georgetown are a little rough, although she did get a nice one this year. My daughter's dorm at Purdue is fantastic, but they also have some really old ones that are not nearly as nice. I've seen a lot of dorms at other schools in the MW and, as I said, I think they were on average nicer than I remember at MU.
Ummmm.....you do know that MU opened a brand new state of the art dorm 14 months ago, right?
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Ummmm.....you do know that MU opened a brand new state of the art dorm 14 months ago, right?
Ummmm...you do know that in my initial post on the topic (just two posts above the one you quoted), I acknowledged that I wasn't referring to the new dorm, right?
From context, as Chick acknowledged, it was clear that I was talking about all the other dorms:
Even if you don't count the Commons, Marquette's dorms stack up quite well against those of other schools I have visited. I would take any of Marquette's residence halls against those concrete block towers most state schools have.
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I work in higher education and have visited dozens of campuses and almost always check out the dorms when I'm there (I got my start working in reslife so I have a professional curiosity). Excluding the new Commons, MU is easily in the bottom 10% for dorm quality that I have seen. And I say that as someone who lived on campus for three years and loved it.
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Abbotsford and Straz were great, though not really “flashy.” I’d have to think Humphrey now being a dorm is nice for a dorm. I’d think the Commons are nice. Otherwise mostly garbage from what I’ve been in.
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I work in higher education and have visited dozens of campuses and almost always check out the dorms when I'm there (I got my start working in reslife so I have a professional curiosity). Excluding the new Commons, MU is easily in the bottom 10% for dorm quality that I have seen. And I say that as someone who lived on campus for three years and loved it.
+1. Before the new dorm, McCormick was the newest MU dorm on campus (although many were redone). And, the beer can was supposed to have a twin with all rooms intended as singles.
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My son did a summer camp at Ripon College and stayed in a dorm.
That thing was one step above prison cell.
MU is NOT in the bottom 10%.
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My son did a summer camp at Ripon College and stayed in a dorm.
That thing was one step above prison cell.
MU is NOT in the bottom 10%.
I visited my siblings are their state schools and their halls were not better than anything MU had at the time. I've been in some halls at other schools that don't even have carpeting. MU's may not be great (other than the Commons) and we do lack in other areas (particularly dining) but overall we're right with most other schools.
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I visited my siblings are their state schools and their halls were not better than anything MU had at the time. I've been in some halls at other schools that don't even have carpeting. MU's may not be great (other than the Commons) and we do lack in other areas (particularly dining) but overall we're right with most other schools.
Stayed at my cousin's dorm at Madison, and stayed in dorms at Xavier, West Point, Dominican, Notre Dame and Benedictine for lacrosse camps and service trips none of them had carpet either. UW-WW did though. Must be a thing about ease to clean?
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I visited my siblings are their state schools and their halls were not better than anything MU had at the time. I've been in some halls at other schools that don't even have carpeting. MU's may not be great (other than the Commons) and we do lack in other areas (particularly dining) but overall we're right with most other schools.
Stayed at my cousin's dorm at Madison, and stayed in dorms at Xavier, West Point, Dominican, and Benedictine for lacrosse camps and service trips none of them had carpet either. UW-WW did though. Must be a thing about ease to clean?
Yeah, in my book, carpet in a dorm is a big negative, definitely not a selling point. The vast majority of dorm rooms that I've seen are hard floors of one type or another. Add a cheap Walmart or Ikea area rug, and you're all set. Carpeting gets too dirty.
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My son did a summer camp at Ripon College and stayed in a dorm.
That thing was one step above prison cell.
MU is NOT in the bottom 10%.
In the Lake Placid Olympics, the Soviet hockey team stayed in an old prison. It will make your son tough like the days of Cheeks corporal punishment. Nowadays kids skip the Super Arby's and jump right to the BnC. Softies.
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It's interesting that in the past decade I have talked to many parents whose kids were considering Marquette, and I have heard many things that they thought Marquette had in the minus column. One I have never heard is "crappy dorms". You do hear some whining (and sometimes actual outrage) about the lack air conditioning in some of them) but that's about it.
Most of Marquette's residence halls are old, but they are well maintained. I think it's a big plus that many of them are former hotels. From my limited experience, Marquette seems to have a much higher percentage of rooms that have their own bathroom.
TBH, other than the pink bathrooms in O'Donnell, I am not sure what makes any of them "bad". Old <> Crap.
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My son did a summer camp at Ripon College and stayed in a dorm.
That thing was one step above prison cell.
MU is NOT in the bottom 10%.
At least its cheap to attend... hey... WAIT A MINUTE
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It's interesting that in the past decade I have talked to many parents whose kids were considering Marquette, and I have heard many things that they thought Marquette had in the minus column. One I have never heard is "crappy dorms". You do hear some whining (and sometimes actual outrage) about the lack air conditioning in some of them) but that's about it.
Most of Marquette's residence halls are old, but they are well maintained. I think it's a big plus that many of them are former hotels. From my limited experience, Marquette seems to have a much higher percentage of rooms that have their own bathroom.
TBH, other than the pink bathrooms in O'Donnell, I am not sure what makes any of them "bad". Old <> Crap.
Honest question: have you heard them in the "plus column"? Because that was the point of my initial post: I don't think they'd be helpful in recruiting. I wouldn't put them in the bottom 10%, but as I said, I do think they're a bit below average. At the end of the day, not particularly remarkable or necessarily in the plus or minus column.
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Marquette's residences halls aren't great. They aren't terrible though.
Anyway, new student housing has been identified as a major priority in the master plan. So they know it needs to be better.
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I work in higher education and have visited dozens of campuses and almost always check out the dorms when I'm there (I got my start working in reslife so I have a professional curiosity). Excluding the new Commons, MU is easily in the bottom 10% for dorm quality that I have seen. And I say that as someone who lived on campus for three years and loved it.
We visited most of the PAC 12 schools he was admitted to 6 of the 7 he applied to...about the same as MU’s...some good, some bad....Utah the only exception. Most campuses have a mix of a lot old with new. Big Ten two schools, same. I think it depends on how old the schools are, and what kind of footprint they have. The Cal State school dorms are very similar to MU, though UC schools are nicer.
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Can't comment on the last decade, but when I was there, MU's dorm food situation was abysmal. Sodexo? GTFO
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Honest question: have you heard them in the "plus column"? Because that was the point of my initial post: I don't think they'd be helpful in recruiting. I wouldn't put them in the bottom 10%, but as I said, I do think they're a bit below average. At the end of the day, not particularly remarkable or necessarily in the plus or minus column.
The new dorm is definitely in the plus column. It would be interesting to know how many kids changed their mind about attending Marquette after the housing assignments came out and they didn't get in.
Glow and I went to a recruiting event in a suburb of Chicago and one Mom asked which part of the Commons had the view of Lake Michigan so that she could ask for it on the housing application.
It was truly a remarkable act of self-control for me to keep a straight face on that one.
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Can't comment on the last decade, but when I was there, MU's dorm food situation was abysmal. Sodexo? GTFO
Pretty damn good. The cafeteria in the new dorm has a brick pizza oven and a barbecue smoker.
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Can't comment on the last decade, but when I was there, MU's dorm food situation was abysmal. Sodexo? GTFO
as my roommate in McCormick used to say about the food at MU: "I'm full but never satisfied."
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The new dorm is definitely in the plus column. It would be interesting to know how many kids changed their mind about attending Marquette after the housing assignments came out and they didn't get in.
Glow and I went to a recruiting event in a suburb of Chicago and one Mom asked which part of the Commons had the view of Lake Michigan so that she could ask for it on the housing application.
It was truly a remarkable act of self-control for me to keep a straight face on that one.
I remember assignments coming out after the deposit deadline (late May perhaps) so maybe not many. I was excited to get into McCormick but wouldn't have changed my mind and attended another school if I hadn't gotten in there.
One plus for MU's halls is proximity to everything on campus. My sister had to take a bus from her freshman dorm to class; if she missed it she would be late to class. My brother had a good 20 minute walk to classroom buildings. At MU Mashuda and East being the furthest away still only meant 10 minutes at most to walk to class
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The food in the dorms when I was there was horrendous, and combined with the complete lack of any options on and within walking distance of campus I can't imagine there are many college campuses with worse food selections to choose from. Seems to still be pretty bad from having talked to a couple of class of 2019 graduates last week.
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The food in the dorms when I was there was horrendous, and combined with the complete lack of any options on and within walking distance of campus I can't imagine there are many college campuses with worse food selections to choose from. Seems to still be pretty bad from having talked to a couple of class of 2019 graduates last week.
Has there ever been a college campus where the kids loved the food? I can assure you it's a huge step up from when I was a student.
Expectations are higher, too. Marquette has gone from serving the same two or three entrees at all the dining halls to having completely separate menus at each one. Straz, for example, is the "healthy" options one, including vegan and gluten free. Do you want to know what the parents complain about? "Why should my vegan kid have to walk all the way down to the east end of campus?"
Just want a burger? "Who do I call at Marquette to discuss the fact that the ketchup dispenser is empty?"
It's always something.
And don't forget that this generation didn't grow up having to clean their plate, or sit at the kitchen table all night until they ate their broccoli,. They never had meals at home that primarily consisted of cheap cuts of meat and canned vegetables.
Yeah, their " bad" food is at a completely different level.
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Has there ever been a college campus where the kids loved the food? I can assure you it's a huge step up from when I was a student.
Expectations are higher, too. Marquette has gone from serving the same two or three entrees at all the dining halls to having completely separate menus at each one. Straz, for example, is the "healthy" options one, including vegan and gluten free. Do you want to know what the parents complain about? "Why should my vegan kid have to walk all the way down to the east end of campus?"
Just want a burger? "Who do I call at Marquette to discuss the fact that the ketchup dispenser is empty?"
It's always something.
There are plenty of campuses with a plethora of food options. I’m sure the dining hall food is fairly standard compared to other college campuses. I am certain the non-dining hall food options are completely atrocious compared to what you can get on most campuses.
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There are plenty of campuses with a plethora of food options. I’m sure the dining hall food is fairly standard compared to other college campuses. I am certain the non-dining hall food options are completely atrocious compared to what you can get on most campuses.
How are you defining "non-dining hall food options",and what would you consider to be good ones?
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The new dorm on 17th & Wells is, in my opinion, a big plus. At least walking into the lobby it feels like going to an upscale boutique hotel. I was there for work and my first thought was "there wasn't anything like this when I was here."
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It's interesting that in the past decade I have talked to many parents whose kids were considering Marquette, and I have heard many things that they thought Marquette had in the minus column. One I have never heard is "crappy dorms". You do hear some whining (and sometimes actual outrage) about the lack air conditioning in some of them) but that's about it.
Most of Marquette's residence halls are old, but they are well maintained. I think it's a big plus that many of them are former hotels. From my limited experience, Marquette seems to have a much higher percentage of rooms that have their own bathroom.
TBH, other than the pink bathrooms in O'Donnell, I am not sure what makes any of them "bad". Old <> Crap.
AC in the dorms was not a concern in my day as classes did not start until the 3rd week in September and did not end until the last week of May. In fact we had a 10 inch snow storm around Memorial day my freshman year.
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NUI Galway and my cafeteria at the office both had Sodexo. The NUIG's was actually decent, probably due to EU meat regulations. The office cafeteria isn't horrible. Marquette's was exceptionally awful, eating at McCormick during my overnight nearly made me not come
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There are plenty of campuses with a plethora of food options. I’m sure the dining hall food is fairly standard compared to other college campuses. I am certain the non-dining hall food options are completely atrocious compared to what you can get on most campuses.
I think we were there about the same time and totally agree. It was not good. I was so jealous when visiting my friends at UWM or Madison. Friends that would visit from other universities would usually comment how surprised they were at the food.
Glad to hear it’s getting better.
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The food in the dorms when I was there was horrendous, and combined with the complete lack of any options on and within walking distance of campus I can't imagine there are many college campuses with worse food selections to choose from. Seems to still be pretty bad from having talked to a couple of class of 2019 graduates last week.
Agreed. UCLA food...incredible. MU’s...crap
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Can't comment on the last decade, but when I was there, MU's dorm food situation was abysmal. Sodexo? GTFO
SAGA
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as my roommate in McCormick used to say about the food at MU: "I'm full but never satisfied."
That's what she said.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;D)
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There are plenty of campuses with a plethora of food options. I’m sure the dining hall food is fairly standard compared to other college campuses. I am certain the non-dining hall food options are completely atrocious compared to what you can get on most campuses.
What? Chili, straighten wades out!
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There are plenty of campuses with a plethora of food options. I’m sure the dining hall food is fairly standard compared to other college campuses. I am certain the non-dining hall food options are completely atrocious compared to what you can get on most campuses.
If you're only referring to the campus itself I'd agree but isn't one of the best parts of being a city campus that you can go 10min into town and get great food?
Also Marquette Gyros RIP
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If you're only referring to the campus itself I'd agree but isn't one of the best parts of being a city campus that you can go 10min into town and get great food?
Also Marquette Gyros RIP
Yeah I just mean easy access to at least decent food. Heck you couldn't even walk to a grocery store anywhere other than Kampus Foods until the last 2 or 3 years.
When I was a junior and senior you could wake up at 10:30 on a Saturday, shower, and your options within walking distance were Broken Yolk (ate it so much I got tired of it by senior year), Qdoba (ate it so much I got tired of it by junior year), Cousin's, Jimmy John's, Subway, Real Chilli, Dog Hause, Marquette Gyros, and Papa John's. So 3 low quality sub shops, 3 drunk food options, a $20 pizza the quality of a frozen pizza, and 2 quality options.
Compare that to a school like UWM where you have Noodles, Five Guys (though I think that's now been replaced by Qdoba?) Halal Guys, and Jimmy John's (at least), plus a Coldstone Creamery...all on a single block.
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Yeah I just mean easy access to at least decent food. Heck you couldn't even walk to a grocery store anywhere other than Kampus Foods until the last 2 or 3 years.
When I was a junior and senior you could wake up at 10:30 on a Saturday, shower, and your options within walking distance were Broken Yolk (ate it so much I got tired of it by senior year), Qdoba (ate it so much I got tired of it by junior year), Cousin's, Jimmy John's, Subway, Real Chilli, Dog Hause, Marquette Gyros, and Papa John's. So 3 sub shops, 3 drunk food options, a $20 pizza the quality of a frozen pizza, and 2 quality options.
Compare that to a school like UWM where you have Noodles, Five Guys (though I think that's now been replaced by Qdoba?) Halal Guys, and Jimmy John's (at least), plus a Coldstone Creamery...all on a single block.
Ahem.
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Brother and Sister Scoopers, I've been reading the last page and a half of this thread and I have to say, this is a dismal take on college selection.
I'm not arguing whether McCormick needed to come down or not. Probably did but it seems like a waste that it was not refurbished. I'm sure some beancounter can justify the knock-down and replacement but geez, it sure seems wasteful.
(Incidentally, Vanderbilt is doing the same thing. Carmichael Towers, which bordered West End Avenue in Nashville and are high-rises built about the same time as McCormick, are being knocked down as well, replaced by smaller more intimate dorms)
What I'm concerned about is priorities in decision making for sending young folks colleges. I always thought it was about education. About finding the right fit for what a student wants to study. About finding an educational environment that works.
We looked at Iowa and Iowa State for my daughter a few years back. The absurdity of things like hot tubs the size of my house. TVs in the rec center that cover a huge wall. I once confronted Father Pilarz at an MU function in Chicago about tuition and he explained to me that tuition was high because students demanded better recreation, nicer dorms etc. The kids get hung up on the wrong things -- the things of the moment rather than education for life.
Not a word about education from Father Pilarz!
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Yeah I just mean easy access to at least decent food. Heck you couldn't even walk to a grocery store anywhere other than Kampus Foods until the last 2 or 3 years.
When I was a junior and senior you could wake up at 10:30 on a Saturday, shower, and your options within walking distance were Broken Yolk (ate it so much I got tired of it by senior year), Qdoba (ate it so much I got tired of it by junior year), Cousin's, Jimmy John's, Subway, Real Chilli, Dog Hause, Marquette Gyros, and Papa John's. So 3 low quality sub shops, 3 drunk food options, a $20 pizza the quality of a frozen pizza, and 2 quality options.
Compare that to a school like UWM where you have Noodles, Five Guys (though I think that's now been replaced by Qdoba?) Halal Guys, and Jimmy John's (at least), plus a Coldstone Creamery...all on a single block.
From what I remember you were a year or two ahead of me so we also had Ms Katie's, Open Pantry Burritos, Taco Bell, McDonald's, and that place next to Taco Bell. Not saying it was a great selection, just that there was more than people give it credit for. Heck a person in straz would've had Quiznos, and Dunkin Donuts as well.
That said the grocery thing was always a pain in the A$$ either bus to MSOE, take the limo to valley fields then walk to the Pick N Save on National or survive off the dollar store/Open Pantry/Kamus Foods crap.
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Brother and Sister Scoopers, I've been reading the last page and a half of this thread and I have to say, this is a dismal take on college selection.
I'm not arguing whether McCormick needed to come down or not. Probably did but it seems like a waste that it was not refurbished. I'm sure some beancounter can justify the knock-down and replacement but geez, it sure seems wasteful.
(Incidentally, Vanderbilt is doing the same thing. Carmichael Towers, which bordered West End Avenue in Nashville and are high-rises built about the same time as McCormick, are being knocked down as well, replaced by smaller more intimate dorms)
What I'm concerned about is priorities in decision making for sending young folks colleges. I always thought it was about education. About finding the right fit for what a student wants to study. About finding an educational environment that works.
We looked at Iowa and Iowa State for my daughter a few years back. The absurdity of things like hot tubs the size of my house. TVs in the rec center that cover a huge wall. I once confronted Father Pilarz at an MU function in Chicago about tuition and he explained to me that tuition was high because students demanded better recreation, nicer dorms etc. The kids get hung up on the wrong things -- the things of the moment rather than education for life.
Not a word about education from Father Pilarz!
This. I get food being a real draw back as that's something that's important. But like the "Mancave" in OD, I was maybe in that twice and yet they had that as a huge selling point to incoming students
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There are universities with fantastic food. Google Virginia Tech's dining some time, it will make you drool. MU was a far cry from that when I was there. Though I've heard it's gotten better.
I was fine with the off campus options. Got a lot of walking in my four years. Certainly not as good as other universities but a lot better than many. I worked at grand valley state for two years. There literally was three restaurants in town besides fast food and they were 15-30 minute walks from the dorms.
The real challenge was grocery shopping. How's the new sendicks working out?
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There are universities with fantastic food. Google Virginia Tech's dining some time, it will make you drool. MU was a far cry from that when I was there. Though I've heard it's gotten better.
I was fine with the off campus options. Got a lot of walking in my four years. Certainly not as good as other universities but a lot better than many. I worked at grand valley state for two years. There literally was three restaurants in town besides fast food and they were 15-30 minute walks from the dorms.
The real challenge was grocery shopping. How's the new sendicks working out?
The on-campus options (i.e., cafeteria and other meal plan) at my kids' schools has varied. Georgetown is really not very good. Not a lot of options, and what there is isn't that great. Call it a D+ or C-. Purdue is very good (occasionally showing up in the "top college food" lists). Lots of options (although I think my daughter eats sushi about 10 meals per week). I'll give it an A. Elon was kind of middle of the road -- a B or B-.
Off campus is a different story. There are a huge number of options within walking distance of Georgetown (M Street and Wisconsin Ave.), but everything is just obscenely expensive. Elon had virtually nothing nearby within walking distance. Purdue has a lot of solid options pretty close by.
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Brother and Sister Scoopers, I've been reading the last page and a half of this thread and I have to say, this is a dismal take on college selection.
I'm not arguing whether McCormick needed to come down or not. Probably did but it seems like a waste that it was not refurbished. I'm sure some beancounter can justify the knock-down and replacement but geez, it sure seems wasteful.
(Incidentally, Vanderbilt is doing the same thing. Carmichael Towers, which bordered West End Avenue in Nashville and are high-rises built about the same time as McCormick, are being knocked down as well, replaced by smaller more intimate dorms)
What I'm concerned about is priorities in decision making for sending young folks colleges. I always thought it was about education. About finding the right fit for what a student wants to study. About finding an educational environment that works.
We looked at Iowa and Iowa State for my daughter a few years back. The absurdity of things like hot tubs the size of my house. TVs in the rec center that cover a huge wall. I once confronted Father Pilarz at an MU function in Chicago about tuition and he explained to me that tuition was high because students demanded better recreation, nicer dorms etc. The kids get hung up on the wrong things -- the things of the moment rather than education for life.
Not a word about education from Father Pilarz!
None of my kids picked their schools for dorms or food. Academic was the primary factor for all of them (with athletics being an important secondary factor for one). Financial aid was also very important in their decision-making.
One of the funny things with my son was that when we began taking college tours, one of his key criteria was the rec center. When it was all said and done, the school he selected had absolutely the worst rec center of any school we visited. It actually gave me some comfort in the end that he was picking for the "right" reasons.
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Yeah I just mean easy access to at least decent food. Heck you couldn't even walk to a grocery store anywhere other than Kampus Foods until the last 2 or 3 years.
When I was a junior and senior you could wake up at 10:30 on a Saturday, shower, and your options within walking distance were Broken Yolk (ate it so much I got tired of it by senior year), Qdoba (ate it so much I got tired of it by junior year), Cousin's, Jimmy John's, Subway, Real Chilli, Dog Hause, Marquette Gyros, and Papa John's. So 3 low quality sub shops, 3 drunk food options, a $20 pizza the quality of a frozen pizza, and 2 quality options.
Compare that to a school like UWM where you have Noodles, Five Guys (though I think that's now been replaced by Qdoba?) Halal Guys, and Jimmy John's (at least), plus a Coldstone Creamery...all on a single block.
Do you actually believe Noodles and Five Guys is that superior to Qdoba and the sub shops? Or were you just tired of Qdoba and the sub shops?
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Brother and Sister Scoopers, I've been reading the last page and a half of this thread and I have to say, this is a dismal take on college selection.
I'm not arguing whether McCormick needed to come down or not. Probably did but it seems like a waste that it was not refurbished. I'm sure some beancounter can justify the knock-down and replacement but geez, it sure seems wasteful.
(Incidentally, Vanderbilt is doing the same thing. Carmichael Towers, which bordered West End Avenue in Nashville and are high-rises built about the same time as McCormick, are being knocked down as well, replaced by smaller more intimate dorms)
What I'm concerned about is priorities in decision making for sending young folks colleges. I always thought it was about education. About finding the right fit for what a student wants to study. About finding an educational environment that works.
We looked at Iowa and Iowa State for my daughter a few years back. The absurdity of things like hot tubs the size of my house. TVs in the rec center that cover a huge wall. I once confronted Father Pilarz at an MU function in Chicago about tuition and he explained to me that tuition was high because students demanded better recreation, nicer dorms etc. The kids get hung up on the wrong things -- the things of the moment rather than education for life.
Not a word about education from Father Pilarz!
That's unbelievably poor answer to your question from Pilarz, but then again, his tenure at MU was short for a reason.
Look, I get what you're saying here, but you need to be realistic that students seriously looking at MU are going to have other options that likely will meet their educational priorities as well. There are many excellent schools out there. So, if the educational fit is similar, I get and understand that perspective students would look at these other factors in making a college choice.
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Do you actually believe Noodles and Five Guys is that superior to Qdoba and the sub shops? Or were you just tired of Qdoba and the sub shops?
I don't overly enjoy sub shops as a whole and I did get tired of Qdoba. There's something to be said about variety. There is none of it in Marquette's food options. I think Noodles is, generously, very average. But at least it's a different option. Five Guys...eh, especially for the price. But at least there would be a burger option right on campus (I know there is now, but Marquette Gyros was your only option when I was there).
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The new dorm is definitely in the plus column. It would be interesting to know how many kids changed their mind about attending Marquette after the housing assignments came out and they didn't get in.
Glow and I went to a recruiting event in a suburb of Chicago and one Mom asked which part of the Commons had the view of Lake Michigan so that she could ask for it on the housing application.
It was truly a remarkable act of self-control for me to keep a straight face on that one.
Guessing that mom sent her kid to ND.
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It was a sad, sad day when Ziggy's closed up. Left a giant crater in dining options.
Hegarty's had above average bar food as well. I ate there a lot.
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Yeah I just mean easy access to at least decent food. Heck you couldn't even walk to a grocery store anywhere other than Kampus Foods until the last 2 or 3 years.
When I was a junior and senior you could wake up at 10:30 on a Saturday, shower, and your options within walking distance were Broken Yolk (ate it so much I got tired of it by senior year), Qdoba (ate it so much I got tired of it by junior year), Cousin's, Jimmy John's, Subway, Real Chilli, Dog Hause, Marquette Gyros, and Papa John's. So 3 low quality sub shops, 3 drunk food options, a $20 pizza the quality of a frozen pizza, and 2 quality options.
Compare that to a school like UWM where you have Noodles, Five Guys (though I think that's now been replaced by Qdoba?) Halal Guys, and Jimmy John's (at least), plus a Coldstone Creamery...all on a single block.
Well there is a noodle place called Tangled now, so now you are down to UWM has an overpriced ice cream shop and a middle-eastern place that Marquette doesn't. Big Whoop. And UWM doesn't have a Sobelman's.
Also, college students as a rule don't have a lot of money for "quality food options". My guess is most of them are fine with the choices they have.
Also, UWM has 3 times the students that Marquette has, and it is in a high density middle-class neighborhood. The Marquette neighborhood has the quality and number of food options that it can economically support.
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Well there is a noodle place called Tangled now, so now you are down to UWM has an overpriced ice cream shop and a middle-eastern place that Marquette doesn't. Big Whoop. And UWM doesn't have a Sobelman's.
Also, college students as a rule don't have a lot of money for "quality food options". My guess is most of them are fine with the choices they have.
Also, UWM has 3 times the students that Marquette has, and it is in a high density middle-class neighborhood. The Marquette neighborhood has the quality and number of food options that it can economically support.
Screw solblemans bring back Angelos!
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Well there is a noodle place called Tangled now, so now you are down to UWM has an overpriced ice cream shop and a middle-eastern place that Marquette doesn't. Big Whoop. And UWM doesn't have a Sobelman's.
Also, college students as a rule don't have a lot of money for "quality food options". My guess is most of them are fine with the choices they have.
Also, UWM has 3 times the students that Marquette has, and it is in a high density middle-class neighborhood. The Marquette neighborhood has the quality and number of food options that it can economically support.
Saying that "the Marquette neighborhood has the quality and number of food options that it can economically support" is just another way of saying that it doesn't have the quality and number of food options as some other schools. On the flip side, saying that "UWM has 3 times the students that Marquette has, and...is in a high density middle-class neighborhood" is just an explanation of why UWM has more food options. This isn't a judgment of Marquette that needs defending. There's no shame if Marquette has fewer food options that other schools. Your post above is a very clear and reasonable explanation of why Marquette has fewer options, so I'm not sure why you seem to be disputing wadesworld's statement that MU does have fewer options.
For the record, I have no idea what "other" food options there are at either MU or UWM these days. I just thought it strange that you seemed to be disputing what wades was saying, but simultaneously explaining why he's right.
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Well there is a noodle place called Tangled now, so now you are down to UWM has an overpriced ice cream shop and a middle-eastern place that Marquette doesn't. Big Whoop. And UWM doesn't have a Sobelman's.
Also, college students as a rule don't have a lot of money for "quality food options". My guess is most of them are fine with the choices they have.
Also, UWM has 3 times the students that Marquette has, and it is in a high density middle-class neighborhood. The Marquette neighborhood has the quality and number of food options that it can economically support.
For the record Cold Stone closed and a wing place is there now. Also has a couple of pizza places that lack in quality but make up for it in price in that 2 block stretch, but Oakland Gyros is, and will always be the best thing on that "strip". All that said, Sobelman's is the best "college" restaurant in the city.
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Well there is a noodle place called Tangled now, so now you are down to UWM has an overpriced ice cream shop and a middle-eastern place that Marquette doesn't. Big Whoop. And UWM doesn't have a Sobelman's.
Also, college students as a rule don't have a lot of money for "quality food options". My guess is most of them are fine with the choices they have.
Also, UWM has 3 times the students that Marquette has, and it is in a high density middle-class neighborhood. The Marquette neighborhood has the quality and number of food options that it can economically support.
I think you missed the end of the sentence. They have those options...on a single block. Not a strip of a main street. That's just one, single block of UWM's campus. Not the entire extent of all the food options UWM has to offer. Literally a single block. Like if they were lined up on the north side of Wisconsin Ave. from 16th to 17th St.
And what I read from the rest of your post is that yes, UWM's food options kick Marquette's to the curb. "Quality food options" don't have to be super expensive. You can spend $8.00 on some nasty hot dogs or $8.00 for a giant platter of pretty good halal food. That's not going to kill a Marquette kid's pocket. They're able to spend $40,000.00 to go to Marquette each year, I think they can spend a couple extra bucks for a Qdoba meal instead of a Taco Bell meal.
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Screw solblemans bring back Angelos!
As a newer alum, I am surprised you would care that Angelo's is no longer there given that you are now of legal drinking age. ;)
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Brother and Sister Scoopers, I've been reading the last page and a half of this thread and I have to say, this is a dismal take on college selection.
I'm not arguing whether McCormick needed to come down or not. Probably did but it seems like a waste that it was not refurbished. I'm sure some beancounter can justify the knock-down and replacement but geez, it sure seems wasteful.
(Incidentally, Vanderbilt is doing the same thing. Carmichael Towers, which bordered West End Avenue in Nashville and are high-rises built about the same time as McCormick, are being knocked down as well, replaced by smaller more intimate dorms)
What I'm concerned about is priorities in decision making for sending young folks colleges. I always thought it was about education. About finding the right fit for what a student wants to study. About finding an educational environment that works.
We looked at Iowa and Iowa State for my daughter a few years back. The absurdity of things like hot tubs the size of my house. TVs in the rec center that cover a huge wall. I once confronted Father Pilarz at an MU function in Chicago about tuition and he explained to me that tuition was high because students demanded better recreation, nicer dorms etc. The kids get hung up on the wrong things -- the things of the moment rather than education for life.
Not a word about education from Father Pilarz!
Vandy and MU are apples to oranges. Vandy has made the move away from traditional housing to Residential Colleges. Carmichael Towers served their functional purposes since 1967/70 but the time came to replace. While functional, they were aesthetically displeasing as well.
Vandy now has Ingram Commons for all Freshman, which consists of about a dozen buildings. Other than maybe the South 40 at Wash U. there aren’t many as nice. Since building the commons, Vandy has also added Bronson Ingram Moore College, Moore College, Warren College for upper classmen. (They still have several, about a dozen, other housing facilities.) The Towers and West End Ave will gain 3 additional new residential colleges and a gothic tower. All of which will be in place in a few years for their 150th anniversary. This project is $600 million plus on top of the past mentioned projects. Some of the completed dorms are as nice as I have seen anywhere.
Few American schools other than Harvard, Yale, etc..do residential colleges. Vandy and Wash U frequently get high on lists for food, dorms, campus etc....with good reason.
McCormick was well past its expiration date. It was more
cost effective to move on. Hopefully the prime location will be put to good long term use by MU.
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As a newer alum, I am surprised you would care that Angelo's is no longer there given that you are now of legal drinking age. ;)
I have my memories or lack there of from my first year and a half 😂
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I think you missed the end of the sentence. They have those options...on a single block. Not a strip of a main street. That's just one, single block of UWM's campus. Not the entire extent of all the food options UWM has to offer. Literally a single block. Like if they were lined up on the north side of Wisconsin Ave. from 16th to 17th St.
And what I read from the rest of your post is that yes, UWM's food options kick Marquette's to the curb. "Quality food options" don't have to be super expensive. You can spend $8.00 on some nasty hot dogs or $8.00 for a giant platter of pretty good halal food. That's not going to kill a Marquette kid's pocket. They're able to spend $40,000.00 to go to Marquette each year, I think they can spend a couple extra bucks for a Qdoba meal instead of a Taco Bell meal.
Unrelated, but have you seen Taco Bell's prices lately? You can get a burrito and a water for the same price as their value meals.
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It was a sad, sad day when Ziggy's closed up. Left a giant crater in dining options.
Hegarty's had above average bar food as well. I ate there a lot.
Heg's had great food, for a dive bar.
Thanks for your sympathy.
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Steve Rushin new book with plenty of McCormick and MU mentions
https://stories.marquette.edu/years-that-made-milwaukee-famous-a139d72a8022
(https://miro.medium.com/max/3828/1*tZYQ_WsCgbOI4a-WWNGJWQ.jpeg)
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Was happy to have been there during the days of Ziggy’s, Taste of Philly, Louie D’s and Jose’s Mexican Fiesta!