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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: mu03eng on April 12, 2019, 01:00:45 PM
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Teaser is out and Paps is back baby!
The Rise of Skywalker...I did it, but weird because they've been going out of their way to say this was the end of the Skywalker Saga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs)
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Teaser is out and Paps is back baby!
The Rise of Skywalker...I did it, but weird because they've been going out of their way to say this was the end of the Skywalker Saga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs)
Force ghost? His own body? Clone?
That was obviously a death star. So, Yavin or Endor? Why are they there?
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Is Kylo Ren fighting a bad guy in that sequence? Tough to tell.
Anakin started good, then became bad (now is good again?). Maybe Kylo follows a similar trajectory. Maybe not.
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Is Kylo Ren fighting a bad guy in that sequence? Tough to tell.
Anakin started good, then became bad (now is good again?). Maybe Kylo follows a similar trajectory. Maybe not.
Don't think so, there are stormtroopers on this left that are clearly fighting with him.
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Don't think so, there are stormtroopers on this left that are clearly fighting with him.
Yeah, suppose you're right!
At the outset, it would seem he's most likely the tie-in to the title... But perhaps too obvious.
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Force ghost? His own body? Clone?
That was obviously a death star. So, Yavin or Endor? Why are they there?
Yeah, it's either Yavin IV, Endor, or Endor's moon.....my guess is it's DeathStar II and they are looking for the source of the revived Paps. I doubt it's a force ghost cause we haven't seen/heard of a Sith force ghost. My guess is that Paps is really Darth Plagus and created a new body for himself (probably on Jakku based on the stupid Chuck Windig books) and he's been manipulating things in the background the whole time.
Either way I really really really hope that Kylo Ren isn't redeemed in this. Dude killed his dad and has gone full evil, don't give him the Anakin spin, cause not even Anakin killed a loved one.
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I enjoyed the teaser
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The title leads me to believe that there will be episodes X, XI, and XII.
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Big boner here.
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The title leads me to believe that there will be episodes X, XI, and XII.
Rolling Stone had some details with the trailer. It said Disney is planning more trilogies but only after it takes a short hiatus from Star Wars movies. Mentioned there are already more spin-off movies in pre-production and sounded like they may wait until after December's opening to announce the specifics.
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My expectation would be Disney will focus its Star Wars efforts on Disney + over the next few years.
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The top theory on Reddit is that the Skywalker title is actually a reference to a new order (created by Rey) with that name, seeing as Luke was the Last Jedi.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/bcgbnr/theory_the_last_jedi_the_rise_of_skywalker/
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The top theory on Reddit is that the Skywalker title is actually a reference to a new order (created by Rey) with that name, seeing as Luke was the Last Jedi.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/bcgbnr/theory_the_last_jedi_the_rise_of_skywalker/
Certainly possible. But, if true, should it be "rise of THE Skywalker"?
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Certainly possible. But, if true, should it be "rise of THE Skywalker"?
Maybe I'm getting the signals crossed here, but I think they meant that the entire order (as in Rey and all others following) would be Skywalkers. Basically, subbing in the word Skywalker for Jedi. Of course, perhaps the entire paradigm of the order would be different... Some suggested that maybe they will be a mixture of good and bad, "bringing balance to the force".
Also, "Rise of Skywalkers" would be too obviously weird of a title, IMO. Like these theories in all probability!
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Maybe I'm getting the signals crossed here, but I think they meant that the entire order (as in Rey and all others following) would be Skywalkers. Basically, subbing in the word Skywalker for Jedi. Of course, perhaps the entire paradigm of the order would be different... Some suggested that maybe they will be a mixture of good and bad, "bringing balance to the force".
Also, "Rise of Skywalkers" would be too obviously weird of a title, IMO. Like these theories in all probability!
I understand. I just assumed "Skywalker" would be used as a collective noun, much like Jedi and sith. Therefore, as a singular order/group, it would be "the Skywalker" (plural) much like the Jedi or the sith meant all of the individual Jedi and sith as one order/group
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I know I'm late to the party but I just watched the teaser today.
I'm interested to see where this goes. But if this movie is a bust, I'm going to be really sour about future Star Wars movies.
There have been some bright spots in the sequel trilogy, but overall it feels tossed together without a cohesive story arc.
At this point, I hope the next trilogy is set in the distant past. Get away from the Skywalker timeline and make it completely fresh.
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I know I'm late to the party but I just watched the teaser today.
I'm interested to see where this goes. But if this movie is a bust, I'm going to be really sour about future Star Wars movies.
There have been some bright spots in the sequel trilogy, but overall it feels tossed together without a cohesive story arc.
At this point, I hope the next trilogy is set in the distant past. Get away from the Skywalker timeline and make it completely fresh.
IX has already been announced as the final film related to the Skywalker bloodline.
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I just hope that the Night King is killed in a more eloquent manner in this one.
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I just hope that the Night King is killed in a more eloquent manner in this one.
Now this is proper trolling.
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Now this is proper trolling.
I'd make a deep, pretentious bow, but my back hurts after I took many (far too many) swings on the golf course yesterday.
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I just hope that the Night King is killed in a more eloquent manner in this one.
In which movie do we find out Snoke was really the Night King?
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In which movie do we find out Snoke was really the Night King?
Episode LXIX
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Right after it becomes a ride at Disney world.
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In which movie do we find out Snoke was really the Night King?
Real talk tho. Snoke is Darth Plagueis the wise. He let himself be killed by Kylo Ren to cement his status as a Sith lord. Snoke will be back in my opinion.
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Real talk tho. Snoke is Darth Plagueis the wise. He let himself be killed by Kylo Ren to cement his status as a Sith lord. Snoke will be back in my opinion.
Disagree, Palps is Darth Plagueis and Snoke was his apprentice from that story
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Disagree, Palps is Darth Plagueis and Snoke was his apprentice from that story
This.
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Palpatine cloned himself, then raised the cloned child to use the dark side of the force.
Snoke was a patsy to get Kylo Ren turned to the darkside. Cloned Palpatine was really after the Skywalker bloodline but got Snoke to be a temporary apprentice and do the dirty work of turning Ben Solo.
Cloning = How Darth Plagieus could prevent his loved ones from dying, which Palpatine referenced in ROTS.
That's my theory.
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Disagree, Palps is Darth Plagueis and Snoke was his apprentice from that story
Didn’t the apprentice kill Darth Plagueis? I don’t get how Palpatine would be the one killed in that story.
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Didn’t the apprentice kill Darth Plagueis? I don’t get how Palpatine would be the one killed in that story.
Palpatine was the one who told the story, when has he ever told the truth?
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I like your theories better than mine!
Cheers!
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I feel a great disturbance in the Force.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48142765?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook&ns_mchannel=social&fbclid=IwAR14hXd6Al2t-rEOWsg8Fxpon5bm9lbHEujhWTj878T8khR2IfeEUkr0FVY
RIP, Chewy!
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https://movieweb.com/amp/rise-of-skywalker-rey-parents-rumor-star-wars/
Similar to Episode III, we all know what needs to be resolved in IX. Unlike III we don't know how it gets resolved, or at least what the end result becomes.
Ben Solo and Rey are, probably, related in some way.
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https://movieweb.com/amp/rise-of-skywalker-rey-parents-rumor-star-wars/
Similar to Episode III, we all know what needs to be resolved in IX. Unlike III we don't know how it gets resolved, or at least what the end result becomes.
Ben Solo and Rey are, probably, related in some way.
Maybe Reys the reincarnation of shmi skywalker?!
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OK, everyone saw the end of the D23 footage right and we can all talk about it?
First Rey and Kylo are clearly fighting on the remains of the Death Start, which I can only assume they were drawn to by Palps
Second the last Rey shot is clearly a force vision in the same cave where she saw the snappening of herself. And she's probably some sort of Palps clone
#Discuss
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Rey goes dark, Kylo realizes his mistake and brings her back. Probably not.
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Lots of misdirection. The plot is not going to be given away so easily. Looks cool visually.
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Pretty simple ending. There always has to be balance, dark and light. Rey will unify the force within her self as the manifestation of both, bringing peace to the galaxy.
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Pretty simple ending. There always has to be balance, dark and light. Rey will unify the force within her self as the manifestation of both, bringing peace to the galaxy.
I figured that was similar to the forest on Dagobah for Luke.
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I read somewhere that JJ Abrams like to put clips in trailers that won't be seen in the film for a little misdirection.
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OK, everyone saw the end of the D23 footage right and we can all talk about it?
First Rey and Kylo are clearly fighting on the remains of the Death Start, which I can only assume they were drawn to by Palps
Second the last Rey shot is clearly a force vision in the same cave where she saw the snappening of herself. And she's probably some sort of Palps clone
#Discuss
This.
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Fascinating theory that Rey is a clone, the sith Rey is another clone, that the clones were created from DNA from Luke's chopped off hand. All tying the end to the beginning.
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Fascinating theory that Rey is a clone, the sith Rey is another clone, that the clones were created from DNA from Luke's chopped off hand. All tying the end to the beginning.
Hasn’t the whole plot been leaked on Reddit? Or at least the nitty gritty? I’ve been avoiding.
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Thought it was a fan theory, not a plot leak.
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Thought it was a fan theory, not a plot leak.
Ah.
I don’t know if I can get excited about a Luke clone. Wouldn’t he have known?
I don’t think I’m going to enjoy this movie.
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Ah.
I don’t know if I can get excited about a Luke clone. Wouldn’t he have known?
I don’t think I’m going to enjoy this movie.
His hand that was cut off at Bespin is probably the source material. The Chuck Windig books(which are kind of garbage IMO) seem to hint at a facility(cloning?) That the emperor placed on Jakku. I'm still wagering that Sith Rey is a force vision of some kind but actual Rey I see as a clone....that way both Kylo and the fans get to be "right"
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Pretty simple ending. There always has to be balance, dark and light. Rey will unify the force within her self as the manifestation of both, bringing peace to the galaxy.
Based on the newest trailer, I'll modify. Rey and Kylo unify the force by fighting together to destroy the Sith. Then there will be only two, the dark and the light, together.
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The new trailer was pretty bland. Part of that is due to not wanting to give away the plot. But I am worried all we get is a ROTJ reboot.
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I'm actually excited it was a bland trailer.
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I’m interested to see how they incorporate Palpatine. Seems to play a fairy prominent role based on the trailer. Could be really awesome or kind of cheesy.
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There were some plot leaks a couple weeks ago. The latest trailer seems to confirm what those leaks say.
Now, I didn't (and won't) read the leaks. But I did read other's response to the leaks. And let's just say it isn't good. Much comparison to the falling short that GOT season 8 received.
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The new trailer was pretty bland. Part of that is due to not wanting to give away the plot. But I am worried all we get is a ROTJ reboot.
...and what is wrong with a new generation of Jedi?
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...and what is wrong with a new generation of Jedi?
The fact that it's not a creatively net new story, we've seen ROTJ give us something new. I'm fine with Force Awakens echoing ANH, but that can't be the same playbook for a series that wraps up the entire Skywalker sage (according to Disney's media blitz). 9 has to be unique to have any kind of satisfying conclusion.
Part of my complaint with TLJ was how it diminished and ruined Luke Skywalker as the ultimate hero and his triumph in the original trilogy....9 needs to rebuild that.
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So...um...
https://cosmicbook.news/george-lucas-saving-star-wars-test-screenings-disaster
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It seems like everything I hear and read is so universally negative going into this movie.
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So...um...
https://cosmicbook.news/george-lucas-saving-star-wars-test-screenings-disaster
And he was happy with Parts 1, 2 & 3
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And he was happy with Parts 1, 2 & 3
III was fine.
Kathleen needs to go, if Favreau wants to create the future, he should be the guy.
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The fact that it's not a creatively net new story, we've seen ROTJ give us something new. I'm fine with Force Awakens echoing ANH, but that can't be the same playbook for a series that wraps up the entire Skywalker sage (according to Disney's media blitz). 9 has to be unique to have any kind of satisfying conclusion.
Part of my complaint with TLJ was how it diminished and ruined Luke Skywalker as the ultimate hero and his triumph in the original trilogy....9 needs to rebuild that.
This is exactly right. It's why there's so much skepticism going into this movie: they have to stick the landing on this while not looking like just a modern remix.
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I don't put a lot of stock in the "test audiences hated it" reports largely because I don't think you screen Ep 9 at all, too many opportunities for leaks. The movie is going to be what it is.
I do agree that Kennedy needs to go, the Lucasfilm leadership has continually misunderstood the concerns/objections/complaints about the direction of the Skywalker saga and by and large that's resulted in them being antagonistic to the fanbase.
GL is a visionary but also flawed, the OT was so successful because he had a tremendous vision but also had collaborators that reigned in his worse instincts and/or fixed stuff he wasn't good at (ie dialog). IMO a lot of the "objections" to the PT were around GL being unrestrained (ie trying to produce an entirely digital movie before the technology was really ready, etc). Lucasfilm seemed to take that as the fanbase was generally unrealistic in expectations and so went it's own way and made the ST much more grey where SWs is largely outsized and black/white. Basically they got away from what made Star Wars, Star Wars.
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So...um...
https://cosmicbook.news/george-lucas-saving-star-wars-test-screenings-disaster
No one hates star wars more than star wars fans
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No one hates MARQUETTE BASKETBALL more than MARQUETTE BASKETBALL fans
FIFY
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There really are days I wish Wojo was in a galaxy far far away
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There really are days I wish Wojo was in a galaxy far far away
Recruiting another 4 star?
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Recruiting another 4 star?
The Child is vastly underranked due to size, talent he has.
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Alderaan U is evil, and must be destroyed.
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Darth Willardus?
Darth Hauserus?
Darth Ryanus?
Wojolorian?
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Xavier / Cincy rivalry involved baby Yoda pre-game last week.
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All of Mando's buddies lined up against all of the other bounty hunters protecting baby Yoda. A man-to-mandalorian defense.
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The Child is vastly underranked due to size, talent he has.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e08a6191e7a0beb1705c3bdb1e6bedbf/tenor.gif)
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https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/movies/2019/12/19/21028958/star-wars-last-jedi-reaction-rise-of-skywalker-rian-johnson-jj-abrams?utm_campaign=theringer&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
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Luke Starkiller
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Saw it last night and really liked it
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Saw it last night and really liked it
Wow spoilers much?
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Saw it last night and really liked it
En route!
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Saw it last night. Give it a 6. Longer than needed to be.
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Saw it last night. Give it a 6. Longer than needed to be.
...and so were the coming attractions, with a few commercials inserted in between, thought they would never end.
As for IX it was fine. For me it was basically just a retelling of VI with next generation characters. Hope that is not a spoiler and I'm sure some will disagree with my take of IX.
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Rian Johnson should have been given Episode IX as well. Plenty of fun, plenty of dumb, your typical Star Wars film. Expectations for JJ to nail the landing were low and he tried, but, eh
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I’m happy.
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How much you liked or disliked IX to me really came down to how much you liked or disliked VIII. I think they actually could have created a IX and a X out of the ground JJ was trying to cover because he was trying to overcome the death of Carrie and navigate out of the VIII box set by Rian Johnson. My only real complaint was that some of the new characters had more screen time/room to breathe. Other than that I thought JJ nailed it
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My main objection had nothing to do with the movie. I sat down at 10:50 a.m. for an 11 a.m. showtime ... and the movie didn't start until 11:28. I thought about taking a walk or something, but I kept thinking, "THIS must be the last preview." But it never was!
As for the flick, I enjoyed it. I am not as much of a Star Wars head as some, but I have seen them all (except Solo), have seen the original trilogy multiple times, discuss them some with my son (who is more of a fanatic than I am), and like to see what my fellow Scoopers have to say after the fact.
I love Rey. I think she is one of the best (if not the best) heroes the entire series has produced when I factor in the skill of the actor. Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver ... face it ... they act circles around Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.
My other main reaction when I was watching was that nobody really dies in Star Wars. I chuckled softly to myself when Harrison Ford showed up, and I whispered, "Of course."
I liked the new Keri Russell character ... didn't realize it was her until the credits.
There was a lot in the movie. I agree with mu03eng that it maybe could have been two films. But I never felt it was too long. I got a text about 90 mins in and checked my screen super-quick just to make sure it wasn't important, and I was surprised to see how quickly the movie moved. I certainly was never bored, wishing it was over.
I guess the critics, in general, didn't love it ... but I don't care.
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After 9 episodes, Storm Troopers still cannot hit a target with their blasters...really need to get some training.
(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Stormtrooper-Meme-12.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=481)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DTU28kueJ6g/U_TBoWxncoI/AAAAAAAABu8/FfHoTy3BNzA/s1600/stormtroopers-never-hit-anything.jpg)
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I enjoyed it. I think it was almost trying to clean up TLJ and tell a third story at the same time, so that made it rushed.
The common phrase I’ve heard from friends is “that was a wild ride.” To me it felt the most connected to the OT and Prequels of the new trilogy.
As I read up on people’s opinions, there are some cringeworthy things that I remember. In the moment of watching though, all I thought was “this is fun.”
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I enjoyed it. I think it was almost trying to clean up TLJ and tell a third story at the same time, so that made it rushed.
The common phrase I’ve heard from friends is “that was a wild ride.” To me it felt the most connected to the OT and Prequels of the new trilogy.
As I read up on people’s opinions, there are some cringeworthy things that I remember. In the moment of watching though, all I thought was “this is fun.”
“this is fun”
That’s how I mostly view these types of movies. I’m not looking for some over riding message or commentary. There’s room in the movie world for all
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“this is fun”
That’s how I mostly view these types of movies. I’m not looking for some over riding message or commentary. There’s room in the movie world for all
Totally agree and that's why I had such an issue with TLJ, it wasn't fun and it was trying to tell some larger societal narrative that I just don't care for in Star Wars.
The common appeal to most who liked it seemed to be that it "subverted expectations" which is the whole issue for me, I don't need to be surprised by Star Wars, I'm there to watch, ya know, Star Wars.
Ultimately what I think we see is what happens when the studio doesn't have a vision and/or courage of their convictions. Lucasfilm ping ponged their way through the sequel trilogy.....TFA was too much of a rehash of ANH so they go subversive with TLJ, which the majority of the fanbase reacts negatively to so they bounce back to more of a fan service approach and they get killed there by critics.
Thank god for the Mandalorian otherwise I'd be very concerned that Star Wars as a property was going to die again
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My main objection had nothing to do with the movie. I sat down at 10:50 a.m. for an 11 a.m. showtime ... and the movie didn't start until 11:28. I thought about taking a walk or something, but I kept thinking, "THIS must be the last preview." But it never was!
As for the flick, I enjoyed it. I am not as much of a Star Wars head as some, but I have seen them all (except Solo), have seen the original trilogy multiple times, discuss them some with my son (who is more of a fanatic than I am), and like to see what my fellow Scoopers have to say after the fact.
I love Rey. I think she is one of the best (if not the best) heroes the entire series has produced when I factor in the skill of the actor. Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver ... face it ... they act circles around Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.
My other main reaction when I was watching was that nobody really dies in Star Wars. I chuckled softly to myself when Harrison Ford showed up, and I whispered, "Of course."
I liked the new Keri Russell character ... didn't realize it was her until the credits.
There was a lot in the movie. I agree with mu03eng that it maybe could have been two films. But I never felt it was too long. I got a text about 90 mins in and checked my screen super-quick just to make sure it wasn't important, and I was surprised to see how quickly the movie moved. I certainly was never bored, wishing it was over.
I guess the critics, in general, didn't love it ... but I don't care.
Which was why my son-in-law and I couldn't understand why Chewy was so distraught at Leia's "death".
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Much much inner deliberation and rewatching the catalog in order:
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
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Return of the Jedi
Rise of Skywalker
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Revenge of the Sith
A Force Awakens
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Phantom Menace
Solo
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Edited for tiers.
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Much much inner deliberation and rewatching the catalog in order:
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
Rise of Skywalker
Revenge of the Sith
A Force Awakens
Phantom Menace
Solo
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Opinions are subjective obviously but I can’t fathom how anyone could rank Phantom Menace anywhere other than last. I can’t even bring myself to rewatch it anymore. It’s horrendous.
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Opinions are subjective obviously but I can’t fathom how anyone could rank Phantom Menace anywhere other than last. I can’t even bring myself to rewatch it anymore. It’s horrendous.
I believe the last four in that list are pretty bad. Menace seemed to age better. AOTC has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
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I believe the last four in that list are pretty bad. Menace seemed to age better. AOTC has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
I’m definitely not a Star Wars super fan but PM and AOTC are easily the two worst of the universe for me. No desire to watch either of them ever again.
Watched the Last Jedi for the 3rd time last night and I just don’t agree with all the criticism. Maybe it’s because I’m not a super fan but I think it’s pretty good.
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Totally agree and that's why I had such an issue with TLJ, it wasn't fun and it was trying to tell some larger societal narrative that I just don't care for in Star Wars.
The common appeal to most who liked it seemed to be that it "subverted expectations" which is the whole issue for me, I don't need to be surprised by Star Wars, I'm there to watch, ya know, Star Wars.
Ultimately what I think we see is what happens when the studio doesn't have a vision and/or courage of their convictions. Lucasfilm ping ponged their way through the sequel trilogy.....TFA was too much of a rehash of ANH so they go subversive with TLJ, which the majority of the fanbase reacts negatively to so they bounce back to more of a fan service approach and they get killed there by critics.
Thank god for the Mandalorian otherwise I'd be very concerned that Star Wars as a property was going to die again
I liked the Last Jedi. It took me 3 viewings but then it clicked. I thought the issue they had was Carrie Fisher passing away because this was supposed to be her film after Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill got the first two.
The Last Jedi echoed Empire. Empire was such a drastic turn from A New Hope, if it was released today, I bet the reaction is similar. The ending is similar in tone and defeat but still hopeful
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My thoughts:
1. I liked it. About a 30 minutes in, I thought "Yes, this is a Star Wars movie." From there I sat back and enjoyed it.
2. I thought the movie had good pacing and proper length. Everything had a purpose and I was never bored (or annoyed).
3. Originally, I didn't want this movie to go in the direction it went. But in the end it tied this trilogy together and validated the new characters. I left the theater feeling like the sequel trilogy was finally a story and not just a cash grab.
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Which was why my son-in-law and I couldn't understand why Chewy was so distraught at Leia's "death".
Many religious people believe in heaven, yet they are still sad when their loved ones die.
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I liked the Last Jedi. It took me 3 viewings but then it clicked. I thought the issue they had was Carrie Fisher passing away because this was supposed to be her film after Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill got the first two.
The Last Jedi echoed Empire. Empire was such a drastic turn from A New Hope, if it was released today, I bet the reaction is similar. The ending is similar in tone and defeat but still hopeful
TLJ does not echo Empire at all in my opinion and even if it does in tone, the tone isn't the problem at all. The non-Luke plot of TLJ is entirely dependent on Poe being a moron, Finn being blind to anything but the need to protect Rey(who they cleverly made it clear in TFA she wasn't a damsel in distress), and Holdo needing to put Poe in his place......all while the Resistance hangs in the balance. Wut? And don't even get me started on the Holdo Maneuver.
Meanwhile, with the Rey plot, they turn the ultimate hero in the series(Luke) into a whiney, self absorbed dude who someone turns Vader from the dark side and stands up to the Emperor, but hes ready to murder his own nephew because he seems to be harboring some emo thoughts. I don't need Luke to be some warrior knight, but I sure as hell don't need him hiding away when the universe is falling apart around him.
One other note, I think they made a huge mistake setting TLJ immediately following TFA, especially for the Rey character. I love Rey but my only issue with her is she never really earned her force abilities...i mean she went from having no idea she had force powers to 7 days later she can lift and entire landslide and hold it steady with no issue.
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Much much inner deliberation and rewatching the catalog in order:
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
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Return of the Jedi
Rise of Skywalker
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Revenge of the Sith
A Force Awakens
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Phantom Menace
Solo
The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Edited for tiers.
I totally agree with your list with one exception....I would at a minimum move Solo up to the third tier, maybe even the 2nd. I really wonder how good that movie turns out if Ron Howard does the whole thing. I thought Solo was very solid and very enjoyable while being very Star Wars
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My main objection had nothing to do with the movie. I sat down at 10:50 a.m. for an 11 a.m. showtime ... and the movie didn't start until 11:28. I thought about taking a walk or something, but I kept thinking, "THIS must be the last preview." But it never was!
My god Flying Spaghetti Monster, have you not been to a movie since the Nixon administration? Nothing starts on time anymore, not even the trailers.
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Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I did read through the plot on Wikipedia to see if my predictions about Rey were correct.
Now I can’t find where I wrote down my predictions.
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TLJ does not echo Empire at all in my opinion and even if it does in tone, the tone isn't the problem at all. The non-Luke plot of TLJ is entirely dependent on Poe being a moron, Finn being blind to anything but the need to protect Rey(who they cleverly made it clear in TFA she wasn't a damsel in distress), and Holdo needing to put Poe in his place......all while the Resistance hangs in the balance. Wut? And don't even get me started on the Holdo Maneuver.
Meanwhile, with the Rey plot, they turn the ultimate hero in the series(Luke) into a whiney, self absorbed dude who someone turns Vader from the dark side and stands up to the Emperor, but hes ready to murder his own nephew because he seems to be harboring some emo thoughts. I don't need Luke to be some warrior knight, but I sure as hell don't need him hiding away when the universe is falling apart around him.
One other note, I think they made a huge mistake setting TLJ immediately following TFA, especially for the Rey character. I love Rey but my only issue with her is she never really earned her force abilities...i mean she went from having no idea she had force powers to 7 days later she can lift and entire landslide and hold it steady with no issue.
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I totally agree with your list with one exception....I would at a minimum move Solo up to the third tier, maybe even the 2nd. I really wonder how good that movie turns out if Ron Howard does the whole thing. I thought Solo was very solid and very enjoyable while being very Star Wars
I guess there’s something we need to disagree about.
Ehrenreich stinks. He can’t act. I was ready to concede Han to a lesser actor because no one was going to match Harrison, but it was brutal. Glover is out there running laps around that cast.
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Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I did read through the plot on Wikipedia to see if my predictions about Rey were correct.
Now I can’t find where I wrote down my predictions.
Quote from: Benny B on April 18, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
I just saw the movie for the first time last week, and I'm not going through 7 pages of discussion, but I at least want to be on record as saying that Rey is essentially going to end up being the reincarnation of either Anakin (or maybe Schmi or Anakin's father).
Paraphrasing Maz here: "No one in your past is coming back for you. But there's still one who may." Implication: Your ancestry is gone, but not your descendants.
Not to mention... remember how everyone was blown away by Vader's (Anakin's) "No. I am your father"... think about the mind explosions next year if/when Luke says to Rey, "No. You are my father. Search your feelings, you know it to be true."
My apologies if someone beat me to it, in which case, at least there's more than one genius here
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Nm
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Pretty obvious why Mando chapter 7 was released early before RoS, eh?
Quick thoughts: introduction of palpatine felt rush (announce he was alive in the crawl??); The kiss was unnatural carnal knowledgeing awful
Otherwise, I mostly agree with this writing: https://www.barstoolsports.com/newyork/my-review-of-both-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-and-wrap-up-of-the-sequel-trilogy
We still holding off spoilers? I’ve got some issues too.
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We still holding off spoilers? I’ve got some issues too.
My bad.
Should we be spoiler free for a time period?
I refused to enter the thread from Thursday until I saw it so I wouldn't catch any
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My bad.
Should we be spoiler free for a time period?
I refused to enter the thread from Thursday until I saw it so I wouldn't catch any
Could start another thread possibly, I think that was past protocol. Doesn’t bother me...
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TLJ does not echo Empire at all in my opinion and even if it does in tone, the tone isn't the problem at all. The non-Luke plot of TLJ is entirely dependent on Poe being a moron, Finn being blind to anything but the need to protect Rey(who they cleverly made it clear in TFA she wasn't a damsel in distress), and Holdo needing to put Poe in his place......all while the Resistance hangs in the balance. Wut? And don't even get me started on the Holdo Maneuver.
Meanwhile, with the Rey plot, they turn the ultimate hero in the series(Luke) into a whiney, self absorbed dude who someone turns Vader from the dark side and stands up to the Emperor, but hes ready to murder his own nephew because he seems to be harboring some emo thoughts. I don't need Luke to be some warrior knight, but I sure as hell don't need him hiding away when the universe is falling apart around him.
One other note, I think they made a huge mistake setting TLJ immediately following TFA, especially for the Rey character. I love Rey but my only issue with her is she never really earned her force abilities...i mean she went from having no idea she had force powers to 7 days later she can lift and entire landslide and hold it steady with no issue.
This is a Rian Johnson quote in regards to Luke and someone commenting on how his character arc in TLJ didn’t make sense:
“I understand that point of view but I completely disagree with it. In fact I think it disrespects the character of Luke by treating him not as a true mythic hero overcoming recurring wounds & flaws, but as a video game character who has achieved a binary, permanent power-up.”
Makes a lot of sense to me. Nor did Luke feel whiney or emo to me. It’s quite possible that a hero can still have a moment of weakness that leads to something catastrophic where they question themself and completely withdraw or retreat.
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TLJ does not echo Empire at all in my opinion and even if it does in tone, the tone isn't the problem at all. The non-Luke plot of TLJ is entirely dependent on Poe being a moron, Finn being blind to anything but the need to protect Rey(who they cleverly made it clear in TFA she wasn't a damsel in distress), and Holdo needing to put Poe in his place......all while the Resistance hangs in the balance. Wut? And don't even get me started on the Holdo Maneuver.
Meanwhile, with the Rey plot, they turn the ultimate hero in the series(Luke) into a whiney, self absorbed dude who someone turns Vader from the dark side and stands up to the Emperor, but hes ready to murder his own nephew because he seems to be harboring some emo thoughts. I don't need Luke to be some warrior knight, but I sure as hell don't need him hiding away when the universe is falling apart around him.
One other note, I think they made a huge mistake setting TLJ immediately following TFA, especially for the Rey character. I love Rey but my only issue with her is she never really earned her force abilities...i mean she went from having no idea she had force powers to 7 days later she can lift and entire landslide and hold it steady with no issue.
The burden of being Luke Skywalker and failing his nephew is enough to lead him into exile. Also, the history of the Jedi as the universes peace keepers wasn’t exactly sterling. It also opened the possibilities of other force sensitives to stand up and take the mantle of fighting the First Order instead of relying solely on the Skywalkers.
In the end, Luke’s sacrifice was to be the inspiration to spark the universe into action and the scene in the stables with the kids playing with “action figures” of Luke fighting the First Order with his laser sword to allow the resistance to escape cemented the legacy of Luke, like kids of the 80’s playing with action figures and imagining themselves defeating the Empire.
I understand your arguments but I think the character arc of Luke fit who Luke was.
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Luke really had great influence on the galaxy in Corvette Summer!
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It was fine. Eye candy. May watch it again to look for things I missed the first time.
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Headed to see tonight!
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Quote from: Benny B on April 18, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
I just saw the movie for the first time last week, and I'm not going through 7 pages of discussion, but I at least want to be on record as saying that Rey is essentially going to end up being the reincarnation of either Anakin (or maybe Schmi or Anakin's father).
Paraphrasing Maz here: "No one in your past is coming back for you. But there's still one who may." Implication: Your ancestry is gone, but not your descendants.
Not to mention... remember how everyone was blown away by Vader's (Anakin's) "No. I am your father"... think about the mind explosions next year if/when Luke says to Rey, "No. You are my father. Search your feelings, you know it to be true."
My apologies if someone beat me to it, in which case, at least there's more than one genius here
God damn JJ Abrams. Fu@king things up for everyone.
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Lots of stuff annoyed me. I'm unhappy with it and glad it's over
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I just saw #9 last week. And for the hell of it, I went back and watched #7 and #8 the last few days. It was only the second time I had watched each (saw them in the theater when each came out).
Liked TFA a lot. And I didn't dislike TLJ at all. Lots of goofy stuff, and there definitely were things I didn't like in each movie, but I thought they were solid escapist entertainment. Way, way better than I remember having liked the 1-2-3 trilogy; and of course not as much as I liked 4-5-6.
I wasn't going to go watch TROS again in the theater ... but now I'm kinda curious having just rewatched 7 and 8. Maybe next week ...
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Lots of stuff annoyed me. I'm unhappy with it and glad it's over
Agreed. JJ Abrams use of corny humor doesn't fit the Star Wars model and makes it look less serious, contrived, and too "Will Smith". Of course, this model is borrowed from the Avengers movies but isn't executed as well (humor model for blockbusters these days). To me, JJ Abrams diluted the Star Wars story, making it less serious, which happens to appeal to more people. The simplicity is easier to translate across language barriers so it can garner a bigger box office overseas. In order to repair the story, you need to go into the characters more. Character depth is where it's at these days, especially with the best writing being on cable, netflix, etc. What I never understood was why JJ Abrams was tapped to do Star Wars. His claim to fame is the Lost series. It seems to me, Abrams would have been better equipped to do a series like the Mandalorian. Regardless, Disney wants something that the average fan can relate to in order to pile box office numbers. Disney will always go with creative control over the material and keep it "safe". Numerous directors have been fired due to their battles with corporate due to "issues". For a company once prided on creativity, it is now one that shuns it in order to protect profit. As far as the future of Star Wars goes...... I've got a bad feeling about this
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Agreed. JJ Abrams use of corny humor doesn't fit the Star Wars model and makes it look less serious, contrived, and too "Will Smith". Of course, this model is borrowed from the Avengers movies but isn't executed as well (humor model for blockbusters these days). To me, JJ Abrams diluted the Star Wars story, making it less serious, which happens to appeal to more people. The simplicity is easier to translate across language barriers so it can garner a bigger box office overseas. In order to repair the story, you need to go into the characters more. Character depth is where it's at these days, especially with the best writing being on cable, netflix, etc. What I never understood was why JJ Abrams was tapped to do Star Wars. His claim to fame is the Lost series. It seems to me, Abrams would have been better equipped to do a series like the Mandalorian. Regardless, Disney wants something that the average fan can relate to in order to pile box office numbers. Disney will always go with creative control over the material and keep it "safe". Numerous directors have been fired due to their battles with corporate due to "issues". For a company once prided on creativity, it is now one that shuns it in order to protect profit. As far as the future of Star Wars goes...... I've got a bad feeling about this
I agree with you regarding Disney using too much studio influence in the star wars movies.
I disagree on corny humor. Look at droids and Han in the OT.
I don't have a good feeling about star wars movies. But if the Mandalorian is any indication, the TV aspect looks to be very good. Thus far, Disney is giving more freedom to the directors/writers there.
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Getting the Directors Cut Rise of Skywalker on D+ will be interesting
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Getting the Directors Cut Rise of Skywalker on D+ will be interesting
I assume you're referring to the rumored Lucas cut that scored an 88 with test audiences while the Abrams cut was somewhere around 18%?
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I assume you're referring to the rumored Lucas cut that scored an 88 with test audiences while the Abrams cut was somewhere around 18%?
#FakeNews
There was no GL cut, and I highly doubt there was a JJ cut (as described on Reddit). There is no doubting there are creative problems within Lucasfilm (which is one of the reasons that Kennedy has got to go) but this whole idea that there are magical cuts that Disney is conspiring to not release that would solve all their problems fails Occam's Razor and is, frankly, dumb.
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#FakeNews
There was no GL cut, and I highly doubt there was a JJ cut (as described on Reddit). There is no doubting there are creative problems within Lucasfilm (which is one of the reasons that Kennedy has got to go) but this whole idea that there are magical cuts that Disney is conspiring to not release that would solve all their problems fails Occam's Razor and is, frankly, dumb.
I saw a story over the weekend that JJ shot a lot of extra scenes that did not make the movie and I think people are assuming there is a Director's Cut.
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Finally saw it, somehow managed to avoid all spoilers for it.
I enjoyed it, as others said it was just a lot of fun and I LOVED how the last scene mirrors the first scene of the OT.
That stupid kiss though, that was terrible...I felt more of a romantic connection between Finn and Poe than those two.