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Title: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 07, 2019, 08:52:53 PM
Great to see the lady amateurs at Augusta.     Apparently, they were playing it at around 6300.   Quite a show.   


Now, Masters predictions?     Thoughts on the early season?    New toys in the bag?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 07, 2019, 09:11:00 PM
Great to see the lady amateurs at Augusta.     Apparently, they were playing it at around 6300.   Quite a show.   


Now, Masters predictions?     Thoughts on the early season?    New toys in the bag?

Tower

I'm in a pool with about 150 others, entry fee $100. Eight tiers, pick one guy from each tier. Use best 4. Who are your top choices and dark horses? I'm not really up to date on the new faces and haven't watched much this year. Thanks in advance for any ideas - any help from other Scoopers would also be appreciated.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 08, 2019, 01:21:41 PM
https://www.golf.com/news/2019/04/08/masters-odds-updated-2019-tiger-woods-rory-mcilroy/

Betting favorites, DJ, Rory, Rose, Tiger.    IMO, Tiger is too high on the list, but, as I read elsewhere on that site, Vegas is just trying to draw in money on him.   How anyone can overlook Koepka is beyond me.    I don't think Molinari has the length.   I think Finau is due. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: CreightonWarrior on April 08, 2019, 02:00:56 PM
https://www.golf.com/news/2019/04/08/masters-odds-updated-2019-tiger-woods-rory-mcilroy/

Betting favorites, DJ, Rory, Rose, Tiger.    IMO, Tiger is too high on the list, but, as I read elsewhere on that site, Vegas is just trying to draw in money on him.   How anyone can overlook Koepka is beyond me.    I don't think Molinari has the length.   I think Finau is due.
Actually I think Tiger bet has the least amount of value. In reality his odds to win are much lower but since everyone naturally puts money down on him they payout isn't going to be as good because Vegas needs to hedge the off-chance that he actually wins. He'd probably be about 60/1 or 80/1 with this recent performance if his name wasn't Tiger Woods
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 08, 2019, 08:21:35 PM
Taking Rory, Jordan and Finau out of the favorites. Maybe Rose instead of Finau. I don't think Brooks will handle Augusta this year.

I like Leish, Hatton and Pepperell In the second tier.

Kiradech and Harding in the third tier.

Hovland the last tier
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: JWags85 on April 08, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
Now, Masters predictions? 

Tiger finishes no closer than 5-6 strokes off the winner.

Like Rory, Spieth, Kisner, and Kuchar if I had to pick.

Rickie probably has another top 20 but won't sniff the jacket
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 08, 2019, 08:50:05 PM
Reed playing poorly.
Spieth has done nothing this year.
Kisner may not be long enough.
Tiger hasn't shown much this year.  But it is Augusta.
The same can be said about Phil, but he has won this year.
Rory has a mental block about this place.
Ricky is due, but I am not feeling it.

Finau, DJ, or Brooks.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 08, 2019, 11:27:39 PM
Reed playing poorly.
Spieth has done nothing this year.
Kisner may not be long enough.
Tiger hasn't shown much this year.  But it is Augusta.
The same can be said about Phil, but he has won this year.
Rory has a mental block about this place.
Ricky is due, but I am not feeling it.

Finau, DJ, or Brooks.

If Rory has a mental block than DJ has a brain stoppage. Not that there's much going on up there to begin with.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on April 09, 2019, 02:44:47 PM
I'm in a pool with about 150 others, entry fee $100. Eight tiers, pick one guy from each tier. Use best 4. Who are your top choices and dark horses? I'm not really up to date on the new faces and haven't watched much this year. Thanks in advance for any ideas - any help from other Scoopers would also be appreciated.

AP golf writer Doug Ferguson, one of the best in the business, just made his predictions. In order ...

Fowler
Johnson
McIlroy
Woods
Molinari
Thomas
Koepka
Spieth
Dechambeau
Reed
Rose
Mickelson
Kuchar
Fleetwood
Schauffele

I'm thinking McIlroy-Koepka-Rose in some order.

No money back guarantee on any of the above!!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: D'Lo Brown on April 09, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
Surprised Rahm doesn't make that list. I have to imagine he'll be in the running on Sunday. Gotta have better odds than Mickelson, Tiger, or Spieth.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: swoopem on April 09, 2019, 06:28:37 PM
My pool is one guy in the top 10, 3 from 11-50, and one outside the top 50. I went with:

DJ
Fleetwood
Cameron Smith
Spieth
Party Boy Charley Hoffman
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on April 09, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
My pool is 1 each from 4 groups of 10, then the last group is 1 of the remaining. I went with:

Tier 1: DJ
Tier 2: Tommy Fleetwood
Tier 3: Hideki Matsuyama
Tier 4: Henrik Stenson
Tier 5: Jimmy Walker

Sportsline Model shot Matsuyama out as the 8 most wins in it's 10,000+ simulations and he could provide good value at 35-1.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 10, 2019, 08:09:41 PM
just bought the callaway rogue-the honeymoon period is still in effect.  almost pulled the trigger on the epic, but...

like dustin, rickie, xander, kisner,  and a couple others to fill my draft kings roster
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 10, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
just bought the callaway rogue-the honeymoon period is still in effect.  almost pulled the trigger on the epic, but...


Dumped my Rogue sub zero for a Cobra F9
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 11, 2019, 06:19:05 PM
Dumped my Rogue sub zero for a Cobra F9

can't fault you on that one.  love cobra!  have the F7 irons custom fit, king F8 driver(wisconsin) and some king hybrids.  my bro in law, who is not a sensationalist but a decent golfer told me he demo'd all the drivers at a range-ping, titleist, taylor made, cobra, etc... hit them all good, but the same.  demo'd the rogue and swore he was hitting it 10 yards +.  i swapped out an old callaway FT9 for the rogue(arizona) that i loved the feel of but i think it was dying.  yes, 2 sets of clubs i should eventually coordinate
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 11, 2019, 06:40:37 PM
If Rory has a mental block than DJ has a brain stoppage. Not that there's much going on up there to begin with.

You don’t have to loop for him like my buddy did (in a Monday outing) to know that DJ is no Tesla.

My buddy literally said it’s amazing he can compete strategically on a golf course with the best in the world.

I’m of the belief that you have to be a bit dense to play golf at the highest level...but once you get there, you have to have a few brain cells for simple strategy and computational skills.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 06:45:29 PM
Dumped my Rogue sub zero for a Cobra F9

I am continuing to crush my titleist TS2

Though I do have a cobra f8 hybrid. It's nice.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 11, 2019, 06:50:13 PM
 
         like dustin, rickie, xander, kisner,  and a couple others to fill my draft kings roster

  sneds and jimmy walker

need sneds to get respectable tomorrow and could really earn my lunch money for the week

xander started off hot then chilled

you guys see bryson hit the stick #18 dead balls center 2nd shot from ?  and he's a leave the stick in guy-got it all figured out
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 11, 2019, 07:00:26 PM
 
         like dustin, rickie, xander, kisner,  and a couple others to fill my draft kings roster

  sneds and jimmy walker

need sneds to get respectable tomorrow and could really earn my lunch money for the week

xander started off hot then chilled

you guys see bryson hit the stick #18 dead balls center 2nd shot from ?  and he's a leave the stick in guy-got it all figured out

Bryson may smack flagsticks, but he can be a bit of a smacked~@$$.

I had to make a tiny wager on CHIII. Saw him at a corporate clinic once and couldn’t believe he hasn’t won much in his career. From Augusta, game getting into gear. Not sure he will ever get it done, but I had to take a $10 bite at 125-1.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 11, 2019, 07:07:21 PM
Bryson may smack flagsticks, but he can be a bit of a smacked~@$$.

I had to make a tiny wager on CHIII. Saw him at a corporate clinic once and couldn’t believe he hasn’t won much in his career. From Augusta, game getting into gear. Not sure he will ever get it done, but I had to take a $10 bite at 125-1.

  in middle of his 3rd year-career earnings-$12.4 mil
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 11, 2019, 08:12:33 PM
can't fault you on that one.  love cobra!  have the F7 irons custom fit, king F8 driver(wisconsin) and some king hybrids.  my bro in law, who is not a sensationalist but a decent golfer told me he demo'd all the drivers at a range-ping, titleist, taylor made, cobra, etc... hit them all good, but the same.  demo'd the rogue and swore he was hitting it 10 yards +.  i swapped out an old callaway FT9 for the rogue(arizona) that i loved the feel of but i think it was dying.  yes, 2 sets of clubs i should eventually coordinate

It wasn't the distance.  Very long.   That is why I bought it.  Distance was not the reason I changed.    It was the forgiveness and the two or three random misses that were literally the most unexplainable misses I have had in 25 years.   Shots I hadn't hit with a driver since using a wood head and steel shaft.     So I went shopping.    I am not sure the Cobra is longer, but my misses are better. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Jockey on April 11, 2019, 08:48:18 PM
If Rory has a mental block than DJ has a brain stoppage. Not that there's much going on up there to begin with.

There's more than one type of intelligence.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: JWags85 on April 11, 2019, 09:10:25 PM
Bryson may smack flagsticks, but he can be a bit of a smacked~@$$.

I had to make a tiny wager on CHIII. Saw him at a corporate clinic once and couldn’t believe he hasn’t won much in his career. From Augusta, game getting into gear. Not sure he will ever get it done, but I had to take a $10 bite at 125-1.

He's a doofus and is kind of a snowflake, but I actually like him.  He's got a bit of a diff personality but can be very affable and funny.  He's had some candid stuff with Barstool thats been enjoyable.

I too thought CHIII was gonna be a star.  He was really solid in the early 2000s but then never really got it going.  But there are far worse things in life than keeping your tour card for almost 20 years since you were 21 and regularly finishing in the top 50 of the money list
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 11, 2019, 09:24:58 PM
It wasn't the distance.  Very long.   That is why I bought it.  Distance was not the reason I changed.    It was the forgiveness and the two or three random misses that were literally the most unexplainable misses I have had in 25 years.   Shots I hadn't hit with a driver since using a wood head and steel shaft.     So I went shopping.    I am not sure the Cobra is longer, but my misses are better.

cobra's big selling point is being more forgiving.  exactly why i got the F7 irons. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 11, 2019, 10:09:33 PM
He's a doofus and is kind of a snowflake, but I actually like him.  He's got a bit of a diff personality but can be very affable and funny.  He's had some candid stuff with Barstool thats been enjoyable.

I too thought CHIII was gonna be a star.  He was really solid in the early 2000s but then never really got it going.  But there are far worse things in life than keeping your tour card for almost 20 years since you were 21 and regularly finishing in the top 50 of the money list

Yeah, I shouldn’t judge him. It’s not that he’s different...I think I just misinterpreted his vibe coming out of school. It’s really more “there’s more than one way to skin a cat” and “I’ve got to be me” than “hey look at me applying my advanced physics degree.” You’re right that he’s refreshing.

CHIII definitely has a great life....is a likable guy too. I didn’t talk to him at that clinic, but I also
saw him make an appearance at a N Ill Golf Galaxy when his career was just starting up. I did talk to him there, and he really was just a decent guy.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on April 12, 2019, 06:26:40 PM
Tiger's putter letting him down
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on April 12, 2019, 09:50:00 PM
Tiger's putter letting him down

"I'd be winning if not for my putting."

-- Every golfer ever.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 13, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
Played the Stadium course yesterday. Wow. Never felt so good getting absolutely punished by a golf course.

Played 17 from the Players tee, hit the island and two putted. Crazy experience with the stands still up. Adrenaline was crazy high.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: BM1090 on April 13, 2019, 07:29:07 PM
Played the Stadium course yesterday. Wow. Never felt so good getting absolutely punished by a golf course.

Played 17 from the Players tee, hit the island and two putted. Crazy experience with the stands still up. Adrenaline was crazy high.

I played Bethpage Black probably 5 years ago right before The Barclays. It really is crazy walking up to a par 3 surrounded by grandstands. Can't help but smile.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on April 13, 2019, 11:16:38 PM
I played Bethpage Black probably 5 years ago right before The Barclays. It really is crazy walking up to a par 3 surrounded by grandstands. Can't help but smile.
I played Pinehurst number 2 or outing was the last one before they closed the course for the two opens . I asked the caddie Before we started , how would they set it up for the open? He said it was pretty much always in form for the Open.

I commented that the course looked easy. He said tell me how you think about things after you finish a hole. I ping ponged the green several times and 4 putted and laugh after and said I get it , the whole defense of this course is the turtle back greens. One of the toughest tests of golf out there , and I can only imagine how difficult it had to be from the tournament tees.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: BM1090 on April 13, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
I played Pinehurst number 2 or outing was the last one before they closed the course for the two opens . I asked the caddie Before we started , how would they set it up for the open? He said it was pretty much always in form for the Open.

I commented that the course looked easy. He said tell me how you think about things after you finish a hole. I ping ponged the green several times and 4 putted and laugh after and said I get it , the whole defense of this course is the turtle back greens. One of the toughest tests of golf out there , and I can only imagine how difficult it had to be from the tournament tees.

It's ridiculously difficult to play on a tournament quality course. I am not a very good golfer. I probably average about an 88. I managed to be 1 under through 4 holes by playing fairway to green. Over the next 14 holes I stopped hitting the ball straight and the rough was so thick I could barely get my club through it. Ended up barely breaking 100. Can't imagine how hard the pros must swing to cut through that rough like nothing.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 14, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
It's ridiculously difficult to play on a tournament quality course. I am not a very good golfer. I probably average about an 88. I managed to be 1 under through 4 holes by playing fairway to green. Over the next 14 holes I stopped hitting the ball straight and the rough was so thick I could barely get my club through it. Ended up barely breaking 100. Can't imagine how hard the pros must swing to cut through that rough like nothing.

It’s not so much that they swing THAT much harder in rough, although a bit more acceleration is necessary. More important is a pronounced downward strike. Next time your Titleist looks more like the very top of a nestled bird egg, simply make a concerted effort to be more vertical on the downswing. The rough is such a conundrum. Usually players with smooth sweeping swings struggle way less with a 2iron shot from 230 yards in the fairway than with a simple 8 iron from 150 in thick rough. Almost every excellent wedge player is also very skilled from longer distance out of deep rough...because they understand the art of really hitting down on the ball.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 15, 2019, 07:10:54 AM
When the rough is that thick, I usually give up on my mid irons.  I will use my hybrids or my wedges.   If I have an angle to the green, I will go after it with a hybrid and let it run out.  If I have nothing I will wedge to the fairway, play for bogey and move on.  Anything to avoid double or worse.  Any round without a double will end up with a decent score.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on April 15, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
Any round without a double will end up with a decent score.

Definitely. I'll let you know when I have one!  8-)
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 16, 2019, 04:48:45 PM
Got the email today. Didnt get selected to volunteer at the Ryder Cup in 2020.  Super bummed.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 16, 2019, 08:09:23 PM
Got the email today. Didnt get selected to volunteer at the Ryder Cup in 2020.  Super bummed.

Me too.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 16, 2019, 08:58:49 PM
Got the email today. Didnt get selected to volunteer at the Ryder Cup in 2020.  Super bummed.

They already have a bottled water sponsor?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUEng92 on April 16, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
I read 2020 Ryder Cup ticket prices will be announced later but does anyone have a clue what ballpark the ticket prices will be in? I saw an article about applying for the draw and wondering if it's worth trying
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 17, 2019, 05:36:42 AM
Played the Stadium course yesterday. Wow. Never felt so good getting absolutely punished by a golf course.

Played 17 from the Players tee, hit the island and two putted. Crazy experience with the stands still up. Adrenaline was crazy high.

played the stadium course in scottsdale(waste management) 2 weeks ago sans the grandstands-looks like a completely different course.  makes one appreciate the pro's putting all the more

 it takes 3 mos. to build all those structures and 2 mos to take them down.  i'd say, leave em up
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 17, 2019, 06:29:48 AM
They already have a bottled water sponsor?

Funny.  At the US Open, there were pallets of USGA branded water that were only for players.  Marshals were watching for patrons with those bottles and taking them.  Nuts.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 17, 2019, 06:52:47 AM
Funny.  At the US Open, there were pallets of USGA branded water that were only for players.  Marshals were watching for patrons with those bottles and taking them.  Nuts.

Since they ran out of beer and food for the patrons, they probably didn't want to run out of bottled water for the players.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 17, 2019, 07:25:00 AM
Since they ran out of beer and food for the patrons, they probably didn't want to run out of bottled water for the players.

It won't happen, but they should ban beer sales at golf tournaments.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 17, 2019, 08:44:16 AM
It won't happen, but they should ban beer sales at golf tournaments.   

It wouldn't break my heart, but I had three beers at the Masters. I enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on April 17, 2019, 09:23:06 AM
played the stadium course in scottsdale(waste management) 2 weeks ago sans the grandstands-looks like a completely different course.  makes one appreciate the pro's putting all the more

 it takes 3 mos. to build all those structures and 2 mos to take them down.  i'd say, leave em up

Thoughts on the course? I thought it was overrated in terms of courses in the area. I much preferred Monument @ Troon North & loved the Raptor at Greyhawk.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 19, 2019, 10:54:47 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rabid-bobcat-attacks-golfer_n_5cb9bbbee4b032e7ceb7699c

What is the appropriate club for repelling a bobcat attack?     I think a driver is too long and cumbersome and the head would not do enough damage.    I think I would want a wedge.    Smaller, heavy head.    Of course, a 2 iron might be useful, too.    And that would be good, because there really is no other modern use for a 2-iron.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 19, 2019, 11:52:48 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rabid-bobcat-attacks-golfer_n_5cb9bbbee4b032e7ceb7699c

What is the appropriate club for repelling a bobcat attack?     I think a driver is too long and cumbersome and the head would not do enough damage.    I think I would want a wedge.    Smaller, heavy head.    Of course, a 2 iron might be useful, too.    And that would be good, because there really is no other modern use for a 2-iron.   

I'll take Adam Scott's Directed Force putter.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 20, 2019, 01:40:26 AM
Thoughts on the course? I thought it was overrated in terms of courses in the area. I much preferred Monument @ Troon North & loved the Raptor at Greyhawk.

sorry chili, just picked up on this-the course was very nice, but having watched the big guys play the course in person a few times, it's hard to be really objective. once i was able to get the putter to settle down... :D it was in great shape and my friend got us on for $180(normally about $360+in march)  then they have their iconic holes #15-16-17.  ya wanna play them like the pros in order to brag to you buddies.  being in surprise, most of my golfing is west, southwest of phoenix, other than rancho manana in cave creek which is a little  gimmicky, but gorgeous in the mountains.  otherwise the verrado courses in the white tanks and troon copper canyon courses in buckeye are fantastic.  quintero in far nw peoria is the #1 rated public course in the state-well worth the ride.  estrella mountain course is solid.  granite falls in sun city is nice
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 20, 2019, 01:46:24 AM
has anyone played the talking stick courses ? 

wickenburg ranch is a dynamite troon course.  plus they didn't over seed last fall as everyone else had and everything was in great shape.  the trilogy golf club at vistancia in peoria is a gem
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 21, 2019, 06:42:47 AM
What's a bucket list of courses you can actually play, in the Midwest (say within 8 hours of Chicago for definition purposes)?

Here is what I have currently, in no particular order:

Lawsonia
Sentryworld
Whistling Straits
Blackwolf Run
Erin Hills
Sand Valley property
Dubsdread
Harborside
Thunderhawk
Cantigny
Arcadia Bluffs
Forest Dunes
Treetops
French Lick ptoperty
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Goose on April 21, 2019, 10:56:32 AM
PTM

Have played all WI courses noted, with exception of a SentryWorld. Truthfully cannot wrong with any of them. Played Dubs last year and liked it a lot.

My only gripe with the top end ones noted is the cost. Forking our that kind of coin always gets me hot. I had not played Blackwolf in a decade or so until last August and was shocked how much they jacked up the price.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 21, 2019, 11:40:28 AM
What's a bucket list of courses you can actually play, in the Midwest (say within 8 hours of Chicago for definition purposes)?

Here is what I have currently, in no particular order:

Lawsonia
Sentryworld
Whistling Straits
Blackwolf Run
Erin Hills
Sand Valley property
Dubsdread
Harborside
Thunderhawk
Cantigny
Arcadia Bluffs
Forest Dunes
Treetops
French Lick ptoperty
Add Mistwood to the list. Great track.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 21, 2019, 11:57:24 AM
PTM

Have played all WI courses noted, with exception of a SentryWorld. Truthfully cannot wrong with any of them. Played Dubs last year and liked it a lot.

My only gripe with the top end ones noted is the cost. Forking our that kind of coin always gets me hot. I had not played Blackwolf in a decade or so until last August and was shocked how much they jacked up the price.

I agree. I've played all the IL courses on there, Erin and Blackwolf. They are all worth no more than $200+ tax in my opinion.

I did just pony up the $500 for Sawgrass, but I honestly think it was worth it. From bag drop to post round toilet paper, it was world class.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 21, 2019, 11:59:44 AM
What's a bucket list of courses you can actually play, in the Midwest (say within 8 hours of Chicago for definition purposes)?

Here is what I have currently, in no particular order:

Lawsonia
Sentryworld
Whistling Straits
Blackwolf Run
Erin Hills
Sand Valley property
Dubsdread
Harborside
Thunderhawk
Cantigny
Arcadia Bluffs
Forest Dunes
Treetops
French Lick ptoperty
The Bear/Wolverine.
The Loop at Forest Dunes.  Reversible course.  Played clockwise on one day, counterclockwise the next. 
Garland.   Tougher than Treetops, but without the views.  Also more remote.
Tullymore.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 21, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
What's a bucket list of courses you can actually play, in the Midwest (say within 8 hours of Chicago for definition purposes)?

Here is what I have currently, in no particular order:

Lawsonia
Sentryworld
Whistling Straits
Blackwolf Run
Erin Hills
Sand Valley property
Dubsdread
Harborside
Thunderhawk
Cantigny
Arcadia Bluffs
Forest Dunes
Treetops
French Lick ptoperty

The General
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Goose on April 21, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
PTM

My biggest grip on the cost is who I am playing with. Last summer, on 95 degree day, my son and I played Erin Hills and were paired a couple celebrating husbands retirement. Super nice folks, but combination of weather and golf skills, made for a very long day.
Saving grace, I played my best round in years and shot an 81. My fear of the old guy or his wife having health issue really stressed me out on back nine.
Will add, it was a great gift from the wife to her husband. They were from MI, husband ran a bowling ally for post career gig and super nice. They were there for two nights and two rounds of golf and loved the thought behind the gift. Problem was, they did not know carts were not allowed or how much walking was needed.
Have to say it again, I did shot and 81😀
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 21, 2019, 07:27:39 PM
All hail Goose.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on April 21, 2019, 08:49:36 PM
PTM

My biggest grip on the cost is who I am playing with. Last summer, on 95 degree day, my son and I played Erin Hills and were paired a couple celebrating husbands retirement. Super nice folks, but combination of weather and golf skills, made for a very long day.
Saving grace, I played my best round in years and shot an 81. My fear of the old guy or his wife having health issue really stressed me out on back nine.
Will add, it was a great gift from the wife to her husband. They were from MI, husband ran a bowling ally for post career gig and super nice. They were there for two nights and two rounds of golf and loved the thought behind the gift. Problem was, they did not know carts were not allowed or how much walking was needed.
Have to say it again, I did shot and 81😀

That is rough. Tip of the cap for getting through that round.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Sheriff on April 22, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Got the email today. Didnt get selected to volunteer at the Ryder Cup in 2020.  Super bummed.

Same here.  However I did get an assignment to work Shotlink at the BMW Championship at Medinah.  Looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on April 22, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
Played my first round of 2019 today. It wasn't pretty ... though I did par the two toughest holes on the course. Don't ask about the other 16!

Also ... by sheer happenstance, I got paired up with a guy who turned out to be from Chicago. As we chatted during the course of the round, I learned that his sister-in-law went to both high school and elementary school with my son. She was even in the same group of HS friends who  went together to movies, etc. Small world!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 23, 2019, 07:45:07 AM
Played my first round of 2019 today. It wasn't pretty ... though I did par the two toughest holes on the course. Don't ask about the other 16!

Also ... by sheer happenstance, I got paired up with a guy who turned out to be from Chicago. As we chatted during the course of the round, I learned that his sister-in-law went to both high school and elementary school with my son. She was even in the same group of HS friends who  went together to movies, etc. Small world!



Butt buddies, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: cheebs09 on April 23, 2019, 08:34:55 AM
has anyone played the talking stick courses ? 

wickenburg ranch is a dynamite troon course.  plus they didn't over seed last fall as everyone else had and everything was in great shape.  the trilogy golf club at vistancia in peoria is a gem

I’ve played both at Talking Stick a little while ago. I really liked them, especially the links course. I would recommend it.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Goose on April 23, 2019, 09:01:34 AM
4ever

It is a small world. Get your game in shape!!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 23, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
Played Harborside for like $40 in twilight hours late in the summer a few years back. It was awesome and a pretty good deal I thought, but hard as all hell.

Just ponied up for new iron set but anyone have any recommendations on Three Woods/drivers? Not looking to break the bank, cause I’m not nearly good enough to really tell the difference. Just something that’s durable and forgiving.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
Played Harborside for like $40 in twilight hours late in the summer a few years back. It was awesome and a pretty good deal I thought, but hard as all hell.

Just got a new iron set but anyone have any recommendations on Three Woods/drivers? Not looking to break the bank, cause I’m not nearly good enough to really tell the difference. Just something that’s durable and forgiving.

Current best 'affordable' ($300) driver is Tour Edge EXS.   Fairway woods are pretty good, too, just not the same relative screaming bargain. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 23, 2019, 08:23:53 PM
Current best 'affordable' ($300) driver is Tour Edge EXS.   Fairway woods are pretty good, too, just not the same relative screaming bargain.

Yea, I certainly invested in my irons, even got new grips for them which I’ve never done before.

I just have a tough time justifying the cost of getting a driver when I’m hitting a hybrid off the tee half the time anyways.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on April 23, 2019, 08:33:34 PM
If you are hitting it far enough and keeping it on the short grass, don't bother with a driver.  I no longer hit it far enough to do away with the driver.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on April 24, 2019, 08:06:03 PM


Butt buddies, hey?

hey
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 13, 2019, 02:00:03 PM
Figured out the key to getting new clubs for cheap. Just buy the old model when the new model comes out.

Got myself a brand new Taylormade M3 3 wood for like a third of the cost. That thing is sweet.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on May 13, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
You are not wrong.

PGA, I will take Koepka.  Cool, damp, lush rough is no place for a fragile back.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: mu03eng on May 13, 2019, 02:41:23 PM
What's a bucket list of courses you can actually play, in the Midwest (say within 8 hours of Chicago for definition purposes)?

Here is what I have currently, in no particular order:

Lawsonia
Sentryworld
Whistling Straits
Blackwolf Run
Erin Hills
Sand Valley property
Dubsdread
Harborside
Thunderhawk
Cantigny
Arcadia Bluffs
Forest Dunes
Treetops
French Lick ptoperty

I'd put Greywalls in Marquette, Michigan on the list. It's a hike but the views are spectacular and some really intimidating holes.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 13, 2019, 06:56:36 PM
I'd put Greywalls in Marquette, Michigan on the list. It's a hike but the views are spectacular and some really intimidating holes.


add timber ridge-minoqua
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Goose on May 14, 2019, 09:38:00 AM
All hail Tower for his bold prediction.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on May 14, 2019, 11:32:41 AM
It isn't bold.    I just have a feeling that he is going to feed off being pissed at Chamblee and win another.    It is going to be interesting to see how the PGA sets up the course.    With the cool damp spring, Bethpage is going to be lush.    If they set it up like a traditional US Open with narrow fairways and let the rough grow out, even par might win it. 

Oh, and Goose, there was no teal at all involved in my 'all hail Goose'.    That score on that course?    Well done, sir. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 14, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
Probably gonna favor the big hitters too if the course is playing as long as they say it’s gonna be.

Here’s another “bold” prediction, DJ. Not a sexy pick but dude hits the ball far.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: mu03eng on May 14, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
Probably gonna favor the big hitters too if the course is playing as long as they say it’s gonna be.

Here’s another “bold” prediction, DJ. Not a sexy pick but dude hits the ball far.

As Tower mentioned, I think it's going to be more about control than distance. Whoever can put their drive in the fairway/green 70 out of 72 times is going to win the whole thing. Anything below 65 and you miss the cut.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on May 15, 2019, 04:18:47 AM
Figured out the key to getting new clubs for cheap. Just buy the old model when the new model comes out.

Got myself a brand new Taylormade M3 3 wood for like a third of the cost. That thing is sweet.

You cracked the code for sure.
I managed a 2ndSwing in the Chicago suburbs. Golf Galaxy priced us out of business and copied our trade-in model, but now 2ndSwing is making a comeback. Anyhow...you can further find the holy grail by trading in your TM M3 3W when the 2021 model comes out, and purchase the 2020 version. Here’s the key...FAIRWAY WOODS HOLD THEIR VALUE because the models vary little from year to year, while drivers change design sometimes twice in a season. Manufacturers have versions of the “latest and greatest” drivers lined up in advance, and obsolescence is only a golf season away, so the 2019 driver you paid $500 for today will garner you $90 in trade next year if you are lucky, and will sell used at $180. Now, the flip side is that guys like you get the biggest “steals” on drivers by waiting a season.  A 2018 fairway wood you paid $100 for today could still possibly pull in $45-$50 for you in trade next year if it maintains its popularity. It will be put on “pre-swung” rack..lol...and sell for $90.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 15, 2019, 06:40:55 PM
long johnny gets a cart for the open.  i think he's off the sauce, but if gruden's his caddy, all bets are off.  in all seriousness however, there is an advantage to walking the course.  you see and feel the layout much better.  walking up to the greens for example.  walking the fairways, etc. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on May 16, 2019, 06:22:01 AM
long johnny gets a cart for the open.  i think he's off the sauce, but if gruden's his caddy, all bets are off.  in all seriousness however, there is an advantage to walking the course.  you see and feel the layout much better.  walking up to the greens for example.  walking the fairways, etc.

Couldn’t agree more. However, when we’re talking chops/hacker golf...they feel the layout too, driving their GD carts everywhere they’re not supposed to be....near lips of bunkers, right up to the fringe of the green etc. Worst thing that ever happened to the game was the invention of the EZ-GO. That said, I truly feel for people who love the game, but physically can’t play it without use of a cart.

I’m not a big Brooks Koepka fan (he professed a love of horsemeat....er, see my username). However, I found his recent comments on how rounds of golf get boring for him around the 12th thru 15th holes as telling. The game needs to be open minded about growing itself and appealing to new generations....9 holes is too little...but 18 can be an eternity of 5.5 hours of slogging around....I agree with Brooks....new courses should experiment with 14-15 hole tracks to attract younger people to golf and grow the game.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2019, 08:23:28 AM
Agree with nearly everything you say, NDC.   There have been multiple times where I have showed up at a new course and said I would like to walk and have the counter help look at me dumbfounded and then have to check if it is even permitted.   I love that moment.   As a confirmed walker even into my 50's, I think carts are a necessary evil.  Watching league hacks who are only there to drive their cart drunk detracts from my enjoyment of the game.    I think if golf marketed the health aspect of walking through the parkland, they would appeal to the younger generation more than they do.     From an architecture standpoint, carts have opened up vistas that are simply too hilly to walk.    And in places in Northern Michigan, it isn't just hilly, it is nearly a 1/2 mile from some greens to the next tees. 

As to Daly, I was always rooting for him to overcome his demons.   He failed.   And now he is paying the physical price for his follies.   I don't care if he walks or uses a cart.    I lament a world of talent pissed away. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 16, 2019, 09:07:45 AM
I think if golf marketed the health aspect of walking through the parkland, they would appeal to the younger generation more than they do. 


They have marketed it in such a way.  The problem is that walking in an actual natural environment, is cheaper, better for the environment, and not in a "country club" type atmosphere that many don't care for.

In many ways, golf really blew it 20 years ago with Tiger Woods.  They had a wonderful opportunity to diversify the game and make it more accessible.  And they often did the opposite.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2019, 07:19:45 PM
It isn't bold.    I just have a feeling that he is going to feed off being pissed at Chamblee and win another.   
On the Golf channel's 'Live from the PGA' tonight, Chamblee opened with (paraphrasing) I felt like Brooks was giving me the finger all day.   And I am ok with that.   

Only one round.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on May 16, 2019, 08:42:28 PM
Agree with nearly everything you say, NDC.   There have been multiple times where I have showed up at a new course and said I would like to walk and have the counter help look at me dumbfounded and then have to check if it is even permitted.   I love that moment.   As a confirmed walker even into my 50's, I think carts are a necessary evil.  Watching league hacks who are only there to drive their cart drunk detracts from my enjoyment of the game.    I think if golf marketed the health aspect of walking through the parkland, they would appeal to the younger generation more than they do.     From an architecture standpoint, carts have opened up vistas that are simply too hilly to walk.    And in places in Northern Michigan, it isn't just hilly, it is nearly a 1/2 mile from some greens to the next tees. 

As to Daly, I was always rooting for him to overcome his demons.   He failed.   And now he is paying the physical price for his follies.   I don't care if he walks or uses a cart.    I lament a world of talent pissed away.

Excellent points, especially true how modern course design actually requires carts.

As to good ole JD...
I will never forget watching the final round of the 1991 PGA at home with my Dad. My Dad goes, “he has to be nervous standing on 18.” Literally 5 seconds after playing partner Kenny Knox hit his drive and was leaning to the left trying to “English” it back on the fairway, Squeaky Medlin (John’s caddie) was already yelling “Kenny, Kenny” (move out the way)...as big John was already hovering his driver ready to fire...I didn’t have time to say, “Dad...now that is a confident man!” Predictably, the tournament was over after that tee shot. I don’t want to say it was sad how his career turned out...bc Big John had to be who he was...but yeah...u just wonder if he’d had a little guidance from a veteran...what could’ve been.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on May 20, 2019, 12:45:52 AM


PGA, I will take Koepka.  Cool, damp, lush rough is no place for a fragile back.

Not a tough call.   Though it was not a coronation.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on June 17, 2019, 02:58:11 PM
Arcadia Bluffs on June 18.  Of course, right now I feel like my game is in shambles.  Ah well.  Maybe I find it, maybe I shoot 100.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 17, 2019, 03:09:01 PM
Went to Topgolf (https://topgolf.com/us/) in Phoenix last Friday.  It was a lot of fun.  Looking forward to the location opening here in Cleveland later this year.
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Post by: tower912 on June 18, 2019, 07:17:36 PM
80.  Wearing a Marquette hat, the starter and the guy working the counter in the  pro shop both said 'Marquette, Dwyane Wade'.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on June 18, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
96. Wore pants, cold front never came, three putted far too often. Slow greens for Grand Geneva.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on June 30, 2019, 05:10:00 PM
Nate Lashley's victory in Detroit is a future movie.  When you learn the back story, be prepared for a sudden head cold.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2019, 05:43:47 PM
Went to Topgolf (https://topgolf.com/us/) in Phoenix last Friday.  It was a lot of fun.  Looking forward to the location opening here in Cleveland later this year.

curious, which one?  phoenix or glendale?  the glendale locale is their newest-near the dome.  i have a place about 10 minutes from there and wondering if it's worth all the accolades
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on July 28, 2019, 06:49:40 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/brooks-koepka-shows-up-45-minutes-before-his-tee-time-shoots-a-65-and-wins-his-first-wgc-event
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on July 28, 2019, 08:12:45 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/brooks-koepka-shows-up-45-minutes-before-his-tee-time-shoots-a-65-and-wins-his-first-wgc-event
https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/bret-michaels-is-very-supportive-of-his-daughter-posing-in-the-new-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-edition
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 28, 2019, 08:35:15 PM
anyone use one of these to golf yet?

https://www.grandgeneva.com/golf/golfboards

or one of these?

https://indiantree.apexprd.org/the-golf-course/segway-golf/
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on July 28, 2019, 10:06:15 PM
anyone use one of these to golf yet?

https://www.grandgeneva.com/golf/golfboards

or one of these?

https://indiantree.apexprd.org/the-golf-course/segway-golf/

I’ve used them in Florida. Take 3-4 holes to get used to, but great after that. Less damage to the course, no need for paths, majorly would speed up play.

I hate carts though.

Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUfan12 on July 29, 2019, 08:45:25 AM
82 yesterday. Shortened up the backswing a bit and my ball striking was the best it's been in 2 years. I'll expect some major regression next time out. Putting let me down. Had the speed right but just couldn't find the lines.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on July 29, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
anyone use one of these to golf yet?

https://www.grandgeneva.com/golf/golfboards

or one of these?

https://indiantree.apexprd.org/the-golf-course/segway-golf/

Just used them on Saturday for the first time at Highland Woods. Like was mentioned above, take a few holes to get used to but after that they're great. Speeds up pace of play. as you can ride them everyone outside of on tee boxes and greens. 2 cup holders and a cooler. Only down side is no shade but just need to reapply the sunscreen every 4 - 5 holes. I wish every course had them.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: JWags85 on July 29, 2019, 10:32:02 AM
82 yesterday. Shortened up the backswing a bit and my ball striking was the best it's been in 2 years. I'll expect some major regression next time out. Putting let me down. Had the speed right but just couldn't find the lines.

At the range last week, my back was a bit sore, felt like I was hunching over too much, straightened my back and stood more upright, suddenly my hands were tight to my body and I had a much more compact and repeatable swing instantly.  Still haven't played much this summer, but I was significantly straighter and consistent.  Played a quick 9 hole par 3 on Friday afternoon and was sticking low to mid irons.  Seemed too easy, worried my body will figure that out and let me down by mid Aug  :-\
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 29, 2019, 10:35:59 AM
Gotta say, my game has improved tremendously since I got fitted for new irons for the first time in my life.

Still can't hit anything but hybrid off the tee consistently, and my wedge play has all but disappeared on me this year. But from 80-200 yards my shots have been money.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: JWags85 on July 29, 2019, 12:09:58 PM
Gotta say, my game has improved tremendously since I got fitted for new irons for the first time in my life.

Still can't hit anything but hybrid off the tee consistently, and my wedge play has all but disappeared on me this year. But from 80-200 yards my shots have been money.

There are FAR worse ways to be.  I played to about an 8 in HS.  Short game was good, putting was great, but I really figured out my irons all the way through.  I just had no distance, my Uncle called me Loren Roberts  ::) which was a great compliment but sucked at 16-17 when you wanted to hit rockets.  But I was a mess on the tee.  I remember a summer where not only did I lose my driver control, my mental state got bad enough I lost my 3 wood, was hitting 5 wood off the tee.  But I was still shooting low 80s on the regular cause of the iron play.

Used to play with my Dad, his attorney, and the attorney's son.  Dude had a horrific swing, but had one of those bowling ball headed early 2000s Big Berthas and was 280 off the tee consistently.  He was terrible everywhere else and I golfed circles around him, but dammit I was so jealous of his game off the tee and general distance.  Cue a college growth spurt and discovering lifting, I have much more distance than I did back then, but Ive never regained my iron precision.  Careful what you wish for.  Not being able to play 3 times a week, minimum, during the summer probably contributes as well.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2019, 12:48:38 PM
I have no idea what happened to my play out of the bunkers. When I was playing regularly a few years ago, I actually welcomed misses into the bunkers (rather than over the green or into other more serious trouble) because I was a pretty good sand player. But after taking nearly 2 years off due to injuries, these last 2 years I have really, really sucked out of the sand. I keep reviewing my fundamentals and I think I'm doing it right, but my results are bad bordering on embarrassing.

Probably time to get a few refresher lessons.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on July 29, 2019, 01:09:22 PM
I have no idea what happened to my play out of the bunkers. When I was playing regularly a few years ago, I actually welcomed misses into the bunkers (rather than over the green or into other more serious trouble) because I was a pretty good sand player. But after taking nearly 2 years off due to injuries, these last 2 years I have really, really sucked out of the sand. I keep reviewing my fundamentals and I think I'm doing it right, but my results are bad bordering on embarrassing.

Probably time to get a few refresher lessons.


Take 10 balls into a practice bunker and put them in a line.  Draw a line in the sand two inches behind the balls.  Take your stance.   Hit the line, not the balls.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2019, 01:34:44 PM
Take 10 balls into a practice bunker and put them in a line.  Draw a line in the sand two inches behind the balls.  Take your stance.   Hit the line, not the balls.

Wait ... you mean I'm supposed to practice? You talkin' 'bout practice?

Seriously, thanks for the tip. I might play later this week, so I'll get there early and give it a shot.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: JWags85 on July 29, 2019, 02:19:18 PM
Wait ... you mean I'm supposed to practice? You talkin' 'bout practice?

Seriously, thanks for the tip. I might play later this week, so I'll get there early and give it a shot.

Yep, my best bunker stretches were when I was purposefully dipping my back shoulder to make sure I got down and scooped.  My irons and wedges were crisp motions, bunker shots a bit more loopy.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on July 29, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
Take 10 balls into a practice bunker and put them in a line.  Draw a line in the sand two inches behind the balls.  Take your stance.   Hit the line, not the balls.

Ya. I was taught to imagine a dollar bill under your ball lined up with your target. Try to hit the the whole bill out of the sand
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on July 29, 2019, 06:52:58 PM
And finish your swing.  Always accelerating.  Don't stop at the ball or leave your club in the sand
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 01, 2019, 12:31:08 PM
thorbjorn olesen just took one of the worst shots of his young life.  ranked #62 internationally, he may need a big breakfast ball.  good luck to the lad hoping he gets the help he needs

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/report-thorbjorn-olesen-accused-sexual-assault-flight
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 02, 2019, 06:28:57 AM
not sure if this has been mentioned, but netflix has a great documentary on youngsters in competitive golf.  it's called the "short game" featuring kids from around the world, ages 10-14 or so.  anna kournikovas little brother is in it and he is a riot.  hilariously spectacular and entertaining.  if you haven't seen it, whether you are a golfer or not. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRpG00kNdF4
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 10, 2019, 09:56:59 PM
weird how pga treats "slow play"  they talk about, warn about it, but never really do anything about it.  40 seconds?  my arse!  either they count different or it's 40 seconds in pig latin err something

https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/bryson-dechambeau-infuriates-other-pga-tour-pros-with-slow-play-at-2019-northern-trust/

until they actually do something about it, it will not change.  i'm not really sure about a stroke penalty unless they actually put a shot clock out there.  and that's not going to happen. 

what would a realistic approach be to this?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 10, 2019, 10:23:11 PM
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/a-defiant-bryson-dechambeau-lashes-out-at-social-media-critics-its-an-attack
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 10, 2019, 10:38:36 PM
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/a-defiant-bryson-dechambeau-lashes-out-at-social-media-critics-its-an-attack

Meow!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 12, 2019, 08:56:36 AM
I receive 4 golf newsletters in my email-box, and 3 of them feature Tiger on the cover as they look ahead to the tournament at Medinah this weekend.

Even though he struggles to even make a cut these days, I don't blame them. In fact, the biggest surprise is that he wasn't on all 4. He's still the tour's biggest draw -- kind of like Michael as a Wizard.

Plus, it's the 20th anniversary of his epic showdown with Sergio in the PGA Championship at Medinah. That Sunday was one of the greatest sports dramas I ever attended.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on August 12, 2019, 09:48:39 AM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/bryson-dechambeau-reportedly-told-brooks-koepkas-caddy-that-if-brooks-has-something-to-say-about-slow-to-say-it-to-my-face
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 12, 2019, 09:53:41 AM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/bryson-dechambeau-reportedly-told-brooks-koepkas-caddy-that-if-brooks-has-something-to-say-about-slow-to-say-it-to-my-face

Yowsa! There hasn't been a good golf brawl since Elin went at Tiger with a 9-iron!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 12, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
The irony being that Bryson told Brooks' caddie that if Brooks had something to say to him, have Brooks say it to his face.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 12, 2019, 12:50:30 PM
Going to Cog Hill this week, probably going to play 36, not sure what courses yet but probably not the Championship course. Anyone play there have any tips/suggestions on which two courses to play?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on August 12, 2019, 12:52:11 PM
Turns out Bryson DeChambeau is exactly the type of guy you think somebody named Bryson DeChambeau that wears a driver cap would be.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 12, 2019, 01:08:51 PM
unless there was more there, it doesn't appear as though brooks said anything other than slow play sucks.  he didn't direct it at anyone in particular.  sounds like BD is a little sensitive on the subject.  if i were BD, brooks would be the last one i'd want to tangle with.  he and rahm.  BD hasn't taken the time to figure out the amount of foot pounds brooks could generate with a right hook 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 12, 2019, 01:18:35 PM
Going to Cog Hill this week, probably going to play 36, not sure what courses yet but probably not the Championship course. Anyone play there have any tips/suggestions on which two courses to play?

I haven't played Cog for many years, but back when I did (in the aughts), I loved Ravines (#2). More "playable" than Dubs, but still a great test. Very underrated, as is the case of the Jemsek course up north (Pine Meadow in Mundelein).
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on August 12, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
Going to Cog Hill this week, probably going to play 36, not sure what courses yet but probably not the Championship course. Anyone play there have any tips/suggestions on which two courses to play?

Play the Ravines twice. 1 & 3 are “forgotten dog tracks” as told to me by a Marshall last year.

Cog Hill is becoming a sad tale for the aforementioned Jemsek family. Pine Meadow is severely underrated.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on August 12, 2019, 02:00:10 PM
Bryson is on the slower side, but he’s definitely getting attacked here. JB Holmes, Justin Rose, Kevin Na and Spieth are slower.

Jordan avoids the criticism as he’s usually mic’d up and gives great insight.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 12, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
dubsdread had been host to the western open 1991-2006, name change to bmw championship 2007-?-2009-2011.  anyone know what happened?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on August 12, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
dubsdread had been host to the western open 1991-2006, name change to bmw championship 2007-?-2009-2011.  anyone know what happened?

Rees Jones ruined it in hopes for a US Open.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 13, 2019, 01:39:41 PM
Anyone going to Medinah this weekend?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 13, 2019, 02:27:30 PM
https://www.golf.com/instruction/2019/08/12/how-long-should-take-you-play-round-golf/

A foursome should finish in 3:47.    My 12 year old and I in a cart finished in 3:00 today.    I do love Tuesday morning tee times. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on August 13, 2019, 04:47:12 PM
Anyone going to Medinah this weekend?

May pop in Friday afternoon for a little bit.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 13, 2019, 06:10:03 PM
https://www.golf.com/instruction/2019/08/12/how-long-should-take-you-play-round-golf/

A foursome should finish in 3:47.    My 12 year old and I in a cart finished in 3:00 today.    I do love Tuesday morning tee times.

I went out by myself at noon one day last week because the guy I was supposed to golf with got hurt playing softball the night before. I played the front 9 in 1:12.

I caught the group in front of me at No. 10 and they let me play through; I then played 4 more holes in about a half-hour. No. 13 on that course finishes fairly close to the clubhouse and it was 94 degrees with about 75% humidity, so I called it a day.

Didn't score all that well, but I drove it straight most of the day -- so I didn't have to waste time looking for the golf ball -- and it was fun blazing through a round. Normally, on that course, it takes a 4-some at least 4 1/2 hours to play 18.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on August 14, 2019, 06:57:21 PM
Anyone going to Medinah this weekend?
I’ll be there Saturday. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 14, 2019, 08:53:52 PM
man, i've got the all-star draftkings golf lineup for the weekend!

     i'll give ya 3 of them-reed, spieth and schauffele.  can't tell ya the other 3 until after game time cuz then i ain't sharing the jackpot with anyone ;D

spieth is spittin jealous of patrick's win/adulation from last weekend.  he's going to be on fire.  then, just like the ryder cup, reed is gonna be on his ass shot for shot
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on August 14, 2019, 09:23:52 PM
man, i've got the all-star draftkings golf lineup for the weekend!

     i'll give ya 3 of them-reed, spieth and schauffele.  can't tell ya the other 3 until after game time cuz then i ain't sharing the jackpot with anyone ;D

spieth is spittin jealous of patrick's win/adulation from last weekend.  he's going to be on fire.  then, just like the ryder cup, reed is gonna be on his ass shot for shot

$10 they both don’t finish in the top ten
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 14, 2019, 10:15:05 PM
Thinking about going on Friday. Never been there, any tips on which hole/area to camp out at for the entire day?

Have zero interest in following one specific golfer, just want a nice view of the green somewhere.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 14, 2019, 10:15:10 PM
$10 they both don’t finish in the top ten

wait...sounds like i should be getting a little more than your $10.  if i lay $10 on that line, shouldn't it be worth ? mius the juice of course ;)  seems as though jordie is starting to get it a little.  his competitive nature isn't going to allow him to finish the season the way he started it
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 14, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
Thinking about going on Friday. Never been there, any tips on which hole/area to camp out at for the entire day?

Have zero interest in following one specific golfer, just want a nice view of the green somewhere.

we were there friday of the 2012 ryder cup.  my favorite from a fans viewpoint was the par 3 #13-great look tee to green
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on August 14, 2019, 10:39:57 PM
we were there friday of the 2012 ryder cup.  my favorite from a fans viewpoint was the par 3 #13-great look tee to green

I still have nightmares from that competition
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 15, 2019, 06:17:40 AM
I still have nightmares from that competition

nicholas colsaerts and a dude name poulter killed us.  every time i was turning around, colsaerts was sinking 25 foot bombs and everyone is going, who is this guy? 

in our back yard!!!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 15, 2019, 06:45:39 AM
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-dream-that-cancer-couldnt-stop-on-scott-and-jenn-harrington-the-feel-good-story-of-the-golf-season

Beware Sudden Head Cold Syndrome.    Or pollen.    Or onions.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on August 15, 2019, 08:36:17 AM
we were there friday of the 2012 ryder cup.  my favorite from a fans viewpoint was the par 3 #13-great look tee to green

I was there on the Sunday. Ended the worst live sports week of my life of events as the previous Monday I was in Seattle at the Fail Mary game. Oooofff....had to sit on the some frozen peas after this week.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 15, 2019, 10:14:36 PM
Ok, here’s my lineup- spieth Fowler reed schaffele  keegan and harry v

Not off to a bad start  but need Harry to play spoiler. Only 6% took him. Patrick made some unbelievable up and down saves. Keegan gotta show us some 2018 magic. Rickie’s babe either got to leave him alone for the night or wash the dimples off his pro v’s.  Xander will be Xander
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 18, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
With the lightning strike to the hotel where several of the players and officials were staying..... what would have happened if JT had been unable to make his tee time due to his clubs and clothes being inaccessible due to fire?     Phil tweeted quite a bit about it, but JT was staying there, too.     That would have been both awesome and terrible.     
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 18, 2019, 04:30:21 PM
With the lightning strike to the hotel where several of the players and officials were staying..... what would have happened if JT had been unable to make his tee time due to his clubs and clothes being inaccessible due to fire?     Phil tweeted quite a bit about it, but JT was staying there, too.     That would have been both awesome and terrible.   

Eaglewood, the hotel where this happened, is where my wife and I stayed the night of our wedding. Knowing that hotel, Mickelson was in the room my wife and I had, it’s the only room on the top floor.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: LloydsLegs on August 19, 2019, 01:14:37 PM
Eaglewood, the hotel where this happened, is where my wife and I stayed the night of our wedding. Knowing that hotel, Mickelson was in the room my wife and I had, it’s the only room on the top floor.

And they say that lightening doesn’t strike twice in the same place...

I went Sunday and had a very nice viewing experience.  Prior US opens, Westerns and PGA’s I had mixed up following a group with staying in one spot for a while.  This time I was in a corp hospitality tent on the 13th green.  245 yard par 3 that was playing 255 with the pin all the way in the back.  We grabbed first row right behind the flag - 10 yards away.  We watched every 3some come through, and we saw some great shot making - difficult pitches from close in rough and lots of bunker shots.  Best group was the last group, with 2 birdies and Finau the closest rimming his put out.  Only one ball in the water all day. Most interesting observation was that until the last group, everyone mis-read the break of one particular putt—probably 20 guys failed to see the extent of the break. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 22, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
Should Tiger pick himself for the President's cup?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on August 22, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
Should Tiger pick himself for the President's cup?

Nah. I don’t think he wants to play. TV on the other hand....
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 22, 2019, 02:59:46 PM
Agreed.   He hasn't done anything since April and he doesn't seem healthy.   I think he is too competitive to make himself the spectacle and possibly hurt the team with poor play.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on August 22, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Should Tiger pick himself for the President's cup?
I am a big fan of Tiger. However, no I do not think he should pick himself for Presidents cup. Better to preserve the limited number of swings he has in his career for the majors and other key events he chooses to play. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on August 24, 2019, 07:39:10 PM
If you are at an event, and they tell you to take cover from the weather, listen.    I hope and pray the initial reports are accurate and none of the injuries are life threatening.     
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 25, 2019, 01:35:57 AM
we were at sentry world a few years ago when they blew off the weather horns as a storm was approaching.  we could see it on our phone apps.  even after it had passed, they would not let anyone back out on the course until their lightning strike detector showed all was clear.  maybe someone knows what the standard is, but it had to do with lightning strikes within a certain radius of the course

yes yes yes to what tower said-despite what they say about the 2 iron thing
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on August 27, 2019, 02:39:28 PM
Tiger announced he just had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee.

Poor dude. Body giving up on him.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 27, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
Maybee da steroids didn't sit well on his soft tissues, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 27, 2019, 02:53:43 PM
Maybee da steroids didn't sit well on his soft tissues, hey?

Not sure if you're joking or not ... but this actually could be what's happening.

If you are at an event, and they tell you to take cover from the weather, listen.    I hope and pray the initial reports are accurate and none of the injuries are life threatening.     

I covered the 1991 U.S. Open at Hazeltine, where a half-dozen or so people were struck by lightning and one guy was killed. Bleachers collapsed, hurting many, and there was a mini-stampede of people trying to escape the storms, hurting others.

It was a nasty scene, and I've been a lot less brave in lightning storms ever since.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: JWags85 on August 27, 2019, 04:18:09 PM
Not sure if you're joking or not ... but this actually could be what's happening.

100% what is happening.  Its been the source of the majority of his injuries ever since they started popping up. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 27, 2019, 06:19:38 PM
Between the early male pattern baldness and the connective tissue injuries, one could form a hypothesis.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 27, 2019, 07:07:54 PM
Between the early male pattern baldness and the connective tissue injuries, one could form a hypothesis.

i have stated in the past that he may have developed muscle that was too strong for his tendons, his back et.al. etc
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MU82 on August 27, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
100% what is happening.  Its been the source of the majority of his injuries ever since they started popping up.

Well, we're all just speculating.

But it's certainly reasonable speculation given first, his physical transformation; and second, his physical breakdown.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on September 15, 2019, 04:43:42 PM
If you did not watch the Solheim Cup this morning, you missed some of the best sports theater you are ever likely to see.     What a spectacular ending.     The putts that gave the Euros their win happening about 30 seconds apart on two different greens.     Good golf, exciting finish, great theater.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on September 17, 2019, 07:20:47 PM
If you did not watch the Solheim Cup this morning, you missed some of the best sports theater you are ever likely to see.     What a spectacular ending.     The putts that gave the Euros their win happening about 30 seconds apart on two different greens.     Good golf, exciting finish, great theater.   

Watched the final last night. Second best golf event of 2019.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
Ryder Cup 2020 lottery winners are being notified.  $185 a day for matches. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on October 07, 2019, 05:19:04 PM
Ryder Cup 2020 lottery winners are being notified.  $185 a day for matches.

Check your spam filters too, my notification that i had been selected in the random ticket selection process got caught up in my promotions spam filter in gmail.

Not sure if everyone that applied gets one of those, or if it actually means that you've beaten out some folks that entered the ticket lottery.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 07, 2019, 07:41:10 PM
Seems like everyone got selected. All of my emails did.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
Seems like everyone got selected. All of my emails did.

They can certainly cram a lot of people on that property
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 07, 2019, 08:07:30 PM
They can certainly cram a lot of people on that property

I’ve yet to find someone not selected and I’m 20 people deep.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2019, 08:10:15 PM
I’ve yet to find someone not selected and I’m 20 people deep.

Same boat here.  At least I don’t have to collect $ from people for any purchased tix
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 07, 2019, 08:14:40 PM
100,000 people for Ryder Cup might be much
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: cheebs09 on October 07, 2019, 08:27:19 PM
100,000 people for Ryder Cup might be much

That’s my thought. There’s only really 3 holes in play at a given time until Sunday.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on October 07, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
Ryder Cup 2020 lottery winners are being notified.  $185 a day for matches.
I got mine last month in a BMW drawing. When all the fees are added in, on Saturday, it’s $219 per ticket.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2019, 08:32:53 PM
100,000 people for Ryder Cup might be much

Is that the daily expected attendance?  Hazletine was 50,000
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Jables1604 on October 07, 2019, 09:07:47 PM
If anyone is looking to get rid of a pair please let me know. Thanks.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on October 07, 2019, 09:22:35 PM
was listening to the NLU podcast today and Solly stated they are not going to limit ticket sales for the Rider Cup this year since they have so much land.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 07, 2019, 11:22:53 PM
was listening to the NLU podcast today and Solly stated they are not going to limit ticket sales for the Rider Cup this year since they have so much land.

Geez,spoiler alert
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on October 08, 2019, 08:18:22 AM
was listening to the NLU podcast today and Solly stated they are not going to limit ticket sales for the Rider Cup this year since they have so much land.

Oof. What do you guys think this does for deciding which days to go? $200, while certainly not cheap, certainly wasn't going to prevent me from going. But I remember Sunday at the 2015 PGA being packed almost to the point where it started to detract from the experience of being there. I don't expect to have the place to myself or anything, but it was almost impossible to do anything or go anywhere that day. If they put that many on the course again on Saturday and Sunday, Saturday would probably be the worse because they're still playing pairs, no? So maybe Friday or Sunday are the better days?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 08, 2019, 08:43:08 AM
Oof. What do you guys think this does for deciding which days to go? $200, while certainly not cheap, certainly wasn't going to prevent me from going. But I remember Sunday at the 2015 PGA being packed almost to the point where it started to detract from the experience of being there. I don't expect to have the place to myself or anything, but it was almost impossible to do anything or go anywhere that day. If they put that many on the course again on Saturday and Sunday, Saturday would probably be the worse because they're still playing pairs, no? So maybe Friday or Sunday are the better days?

This is quite the dilemma, honestly. There's not that much golf to watch for 100,000 people. Also, as Solly mentioned, it's not setup for spectators.

I'm leaning Wednesday and Saturday. Saturday I can experience it, then Sunday I can actually watch it.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on October 08, 2019, 09:07:42 AM
This is quite the dilemma, honestly. There's not that much golf to watch for 100,000 people. Also, as Solly mentioned, it's not setup for spectators.

I'm leaning Wednesday and Saturday. Saturday I can experience it, then Sunday I can actually watch it.

I am thinking this is the best strategy. I was "lucky" enough to go to Sunday at Medinah but I think I would rather watch the singles on TV to see everything.

Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Sheriff on October 08, 2019, 09:10:39 AM
I agree on that as well.  Went to Medinah on Saturday in 2012 and watched the Sunday train wreck on TV.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 08, 2019, 09:00:46 PM
2 years ago, went to waste management on a saturday only because that was the only day both my boys could meet us-ho boy whatta mistake and i knew it!  over 200,000 fans.  not bad getting there, but 3-4 hour wait for uber and 2-3 hour for shuttle bus to get back to your car which was parked about a mile away...we walked back.  got there reasonably early and parked our asses rith on the 17th hole front right sand trap-no nets there protecting ya.  "people" watching is quite a treat!  maybe someone can explain to me how a girl/woman/female can even think about wearing anything(shoes) with a 3-4 inch heal to a golf event

last year, paid $135 on stub hub for thursday seats and tables on 18th green/clubhouse-that is the way to go!!  4-5 different buffets set up, (i'm still wearing the desert table)indoor w.c.'s, televisions, open bar and the players walk over bridge and right past you within arms length
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2019, 06:37:13 AM
Oof. What do you guys think this does for deciding which days to go? $200, while certainly not cheap, certainly wasn't going to prevent me from going. But I remember Sunday at the 2015 PGA being packed almost to the point where it started to detract from the experience of being there. I don't expect to have the place to myself or anything, but it was almost impossible to do anything or go anywhere that day. If they put that many on the course again on Saturday and Sunday, Saturday would probably be the worse because they're still playing pairs, no? So maybe Friday or Sunday are the better days?

I’ve gone from buying tix for Friday-Sunday to just the weekend to now I wonder if I even want any. 

I never had any issues at the PGA there because you could see action all day if you wanted to.  Different story with this format. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on October 09, 2019, 11:11:01 AM
FWIW, right now I'm leaning to just buying for Friday. I still want to dress up in US gear and experience it, and I'm thinking that Friday may be a lot less crowded than Saturday, with a similar format.  I imagine Sunday will be absolutely packed, though more spread out for at least a few hours while all the single matches are in play.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Goose on October 09, 2019, 11:18:11 AM
Our plans are to go for one practice round and then Friday and Sunday. My son has been on Sunday at Medinah and Hazeltine and experienced both the highs and lows. I definitely would like to be there on Sunday afternoon and celebrate a home team victory. That said, I fully expect to see few shots live and will be doing more people watching and watching on TV.

I was at Whistling yesterday and really is one of my favorite places on earth. Love the golf course, but really, really love everything about the place. Very happy that as an avid WI golf fan, and former avid golfer, that Ryder Cup is being held in Kohler. I literally cannot wait.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on October 09, 2019, 12:52:50 PM
Crazy round today.  A course I had not played before.  8 putts on the front 9.  3 under.  Pissed my playing companion right off.  Hit all 9 greens on the back with 19 putts.    2 under 69.  Stoatin Brae, part of the Lake Doster resort near Kalamazoo.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 09, 2019, 07:12:33 PM
My boys bought me a gift certificate to club champion.  Swung countless clubs, interchanging heads, shafts etc.  I went to get fitted for clubs based on how I swing not to change my swing even though that could use some work as well.  I’m sticking with my F7 king driver and 3 wood,  it went all new speedback 5 thru gap wedge, Cleveland 56, the Calloway rogue 19 degree hybrid with the paderson kinetixx green  Kevlar shaft to go with my cobra 22 and remember our conversation on never spending $$ on a putter...I broke down after hitting lasers with the odyssey stroke lab. All the shafts were pured Next early winter, going to pick up the m6 fairway wood-it’s a beast.  Then I should be good for a little while

As for club champion, no pressure to buy. They give you all the stats, but are a little pricey. All in all a good experience  though  funny, out of all those clubs, I'm most geeked about the putter...smooth as a baby’s ass
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on October 15, 2019, 01:11:43 PM
Personal pet peeve today.    Playing another course new to me.    Early on the back 9, I caught up to two foursomes of retirees.    Back to back par 3's, I watched all 8 of them hit their tee shots.  20 minutes each hole standing on the tee box.   They did not offer me to play through.    Two holes later, standing on another par 3, one guy in the second foursome says 'Sorry, buddy."   As I watched the second foursome hit their shots, one of them hit a shank and muttered something about how having to wait runs his game.    At that point, I skipped two holes ahead, as I could feel my restraint and calm slipping away.   

Maddening.    I don't care if somebody plays slow.    Just recognize it and allow faster groups to play through, like it says on the scorecard. 
 





  So, old guys who aren't very good at what they are doing, but who ignore the rules of common sense and etiquette, holding up the progress of everyone behind them, but who get upset when their failing are pointed out because it is all about them.    A metaphor or something...
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2019, 01:14:08 PM
Personal pet peeve today.    Playing another course new to me.    Early on the back 9, I caught up to two foursomes of retirees.    Back to back par 3's, I watched all 8 of them hit their tee shots.  20 minutes each hole standing on the tee box.   They did not offer me to play through.    Two holes later, standing on another par 3, one guy in the second foursome says 'Sorry, buddy."   As I watched the second foursome hit their shots, one of them hit a shank and muttered something about how having to wait runs his game.    At that point, I skipped two holes ahead, as I could feel my restraint and calm slipping away.   

Maddening.    I don't care if somebody plays slow.    Just recognize it and allow faster groups to play through, like it says on the scorecard. 
 





  So, old guys who aren't very good at what they are doing, but who ignore the rules of common sense and etiquette, holding up the progress of everyone behind them, but who get upset when their failing are pointed out because it is all about them.    A metaphor or something...

Happens far too often.  County courses in Milwaukee are notorious for this, especially if they’re “members” of that course.  Common sense and common courtesy are in short supply on golf courses sadly
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 15, 2019, 02:02:02 PM
Think the investment for next year is gonna be a new set of wedges. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on October 15, 2019, 02:08:22 PM
Think the investment for next year is gonna be a new set of wedges. Any recommendations?

Get fit.

I am looking at doing a wedge fitting in the next month or so either at Club Champion or Mistwood. Each place is $150 but they'll fit all your wedges for you on grid, bounce and gap distance. To me it's worth it.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 15, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
Think the investment for next year is gonna be a new set of wedges. Any recommendations?

I'm partial to Vokeys, but Chili is right, do a fitting.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: RJax55 on October 15, 2019, 02:56:53 PM
Get fit.

I am looking at doing a wedge fitting in the next month or so either at Club Champion or Mistwood. Each place is $150 but they'll fit all your wedges for you on grid, bounce and gap distance. To me it's worth it.

I agree, but I would stay away from an indoor fitting with wedges. The only useful information that will provide is distance gaps. IMO, need to be on real turf to determine bounce and grids.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on October 15, 2019, 04:24:47 PM
Get fit.

I am looking at doing a wedge fitting in the next month or so either at Club Champion or Mistwood. Each place is $150 but they'll fit all your wedges for you on grid, bounce and gap distance. To me it's worth it.
I'm a big fan of Mistwood.  Great facility and great pros. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 15, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
Get fit.

I am looking at doing a wedge fitting in the next month or so either at Club Champion or Mistwood. Each place is $150 but they'll fit all your wedges for you on grid, bounce and gap distance. To me it's worth it.

And the shafts.  Never realized how much they affect your swing. One little change, a gram or so and  consider the  shaft “PUREing process”. Yes it adds to the cost by a few dollars but depends on how far ya want to go. As I age, I want to get everything I can out of my swing.  The best fit club to my swing without trying to change too much at this point. Btw, shot an 85 at coyote lakes Az. Short but narrow challenging course. Just coming out of over seeding

https://pluggedingolf.com/does-pureing-a-shaft-improve-performance-golf-myths-unplugged/
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on October 15, 2019, 06:43:54 PM
And the shafts.  Never realized how much they affect your swing. One little change, a gram or so and  consider the  shaft “PUREing process”. Yes it adds to the cost by a few dollars but depends on how far ya want to go. As I age, I want to get everything I can out of my swing.  The best fit club to my swing without trying to change too much at this point. Btw, shot an 85 at coyote lakes Az. Short but narrow challenging course. Just coming out of over seeding

https://pluggedingolf.com/does-pureing-a-shaft-improve-performance-golf-myths-unplugged/

I don't by into pureing. Too many other variables at play when you're talking about someone's swing. Now, demonstrate this to me with a swing robot and maybe I'm in. That said, I did not get mine pured with my new bag from club champion

https://www.milesofgolf.com/testing-performance-drivers-with-pured-shafts/
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 15, 2019, 08:57:43 PM
I don't by into pureing. Too many other variables at play when you're talking about someone's swing. Now, demonstrate this to me with a swing robot and maybe I'm in. That said, I did not get mine pured with my new bag from club champion

https://www.milesofgolf.com/testing-performance-drivers-with-pured-shafts/

Hey jesmu who was your guy at club champs?  I had Eric m.  Great guy!  I just thought, the pure’ing, if it saves just... :). Just got the clubs a few weeks ago.  Used 2 rounds. Got the f9’s  I have a separate set of f7’s I absolutely love down here in Az. Those were fitted by golf galaxy/ dicks

Big difference...in price and thoroughness
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on October 16, 2019, 10:25:35 AM
Any of ya'll in the Ryder Cup queue? Anybody already buy tickets and done?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on October 16, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
Quick update - i just got a notice on the lobby waiting page that match day tickets are sold out. What was the point of this weeks-in-the-making ticket code thing if there weren't even close to enough match day tickets for everyone that got a code?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Anti-Dentite on October 16, 2019, 11:02:38 AM
I figured it would go like this...guess I’ll hang on and see if I can get practice day tickets.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Goose on October 16, 2019, 11:31:17 AM
Ended up with Tuesday practice round tickets. Disappointed, but will be there for matches over the weekend.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Anti-Dentite on October 16, 2019, 11:34:35 AM
Ended up with Tuesday practice round tickets. Disappointed, but will be there for matches over the weekend.
Same here, everything else was sold out.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUfan12 on October 16, 2019, 11:40:35 AM
What a crapshow that was. I can't believe that in 2019 an organization with the resources of the freaking PGA can't manage a ticket sale. Unreal.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on October 16, 2019, 11:52:07 AM
This was great technology for 2002. WTF was this? At least I can hit up the Michelob Ultra brand team for tickets. They should have just done the lottery like The Masters does (or they have for past US based Ryder Cups). Whomever sold them on this system should be fired.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on October 16, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
And the shafts.  Never realized how much they affect your swing. One little change, a gram or so and  consider the  shaft “PUREing process”. Yes it adds to the cost by a few dollars but depends on how far ya want to go. As I age, I want to get everything I can out of my swing.  The best fit club to my swing without trying to change too much at this point. Btw, shot an 85 at coyote lakes Az. Short but narrow challenging course. Just coming out of over seeding

https://pluggedingolf.com/does-pureing-a-shaft-improve-performance-golf-myths-unplugged/

Shaft in wedges is negligible if anything.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 16, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
This was great technology for 2002. WTF was this? At least I can hit up the Michelob Ultra brand team for tickets. They should have just done the lottery like The Masters does (or they have for past US based Ryder Cups). Whomever sold them on this system should be fired.

If you need company, I’m available.

Got Wednesday practice only.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2019, 01:09:52 PM
Glad I didn’t bother
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on October 16, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
No surprise here. A premiere event and somehow - whoops! - all the tickets are sold out.

Concert venues have been doing this for years. Give away a ton to corporate sponsors. Whatever is left gets sold to ticket vendors on a mark-up who then "resale" to the public for an even higher mark-up.

Ticket sales have been horrible toward consumers for a while.

I know at least a dozen people (not including those here) who got codes and were in the lobby at 10AM. No one got a chance at match day or weekend tickets.

What a joke.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 16, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
No surprise here. A premiere event and somehow - whoops! - all the tickets are sold out.

Concert venues have been doing this for years. Give away a ton to corporate sponsors. Whatever is left gets sold to ticket vendors on a mark-up who then "resale" to the public for an even higher mark-up.

Ticket sales have been horrible toward consumers for a while.

I know at least a dozen people (not including those here) who got codes and were in the lobby at 10AM. No one got a chance at match day or weekend tickets.

What a joke.


It's unfortunate how often "follow the money" applies.

And it's even more regrettable that promoters play the game of pretending that the tickets really are for sale to the general public. If they're just planning to give them to sponsors and sell the rest to resellers, why even bother with the charade of the initial sale of tickets? The only thing it seems to accomplish is pissing off the fans.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on October 16, 2019, 05:23:14 PM
No surprise here. A premiere event and somehow - whoops! - all the tickets are sold out.

Concert venues have been doing this for years. Give away a ton to corporate sponsors. Whatever is left gets sold to ticket vendors on a mark-up who then "resale" to the public for an even higher mark-up.

Ticket sales have been horrible toward consumers for a while.

I know at least a dozen people (not including those here) who got codes and were in the lobby at 10AM. No one got a chance at match day or weekend tickets.

What a joke.

Update:

Official Ryder Cup resale site has Friday Tix listed at 427.50/person and Saturday at $450/person.

What a f*cking kick in the dick. Fu*k you PGA/USGA
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on October 16, 2019, 05:27:30 PM
Hopefully, the high prices cut into beer money.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
Update:

Official Ryder Cup resale site has Friday Tix listed at 427.50/person and Saturday at $450/person.

What a f*cking kick in the dick. Fu*k you PGA/USGA

This is all on the PGA.  USGA does a good job with their ticket packages.  I did Pebble this year and it was a great experience.  Erin Hills was, too
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MUBurrow on October 16, 2019, 07:01:28 PM
Update:

Official Ryder Cup resale site has Friday Tix listed at 427.50/person and Saturday at $450/person.


Last week, weren't we just talking about them not restricting ticket sales at all? How did we get to the point where the public sale was basically illusory and the only tickets now are at a 2x face markup?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: jesmu84 on October 16, 2019, 08:10:10 PM
Last week, weren't we just talking about them not restricting ticket sales at all? How did we get to the point where the public sale was basically illusory and the only tickets now are at a 2x face markup?

2x? Try almost 3.

Semantics, mostly. It's a gross situation. The PGA should be appalled. But as long As long as their corporate sponsors and boomers are happy, they don't care. Why try and make this event enticing/affordable for younger generations (who they will need in the future to survive)?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 16, 2019, 08:11:29 PM
Shaft in wedges is negligible if anything.

Agree
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 16, 2019, 08:47:51 PM
A good, stiff shaft is neva negligible, aina
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 16, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
A good, stiff shaft is neva negligible, aina

Except in a wedgie
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on October 17, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
BMW had a drawing for owners in early September.  Got four for Saturday.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 17, 2019, 08:15:48 AM
Anyone have any suggestions on where to go/who to see for lessons in Chicagoland? Preferably on the Northside or Northern burbs.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 17, 2019, 08:26:50 AM
Anyone have any suggestions on where to go/who to see for lessons in Chicagoland? Preferably on the Northside or Northern burbs.

https://www.championways.com/kiel-alderink
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on October 26, 2019, 07:31:17 AM
Big Cat alert.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2019, 11:41:30 AM
In praise of fall golf and cheap golf balls...

I pull up to my favorite course.    The only other car in the parking lot I recognize as that of the lady who works the counter.     IMHO opinion, this is a true hidden gem, a course that I know has improved my game by playing it so much.    $20 to walk.   I had already gone through my golf balls and had found the cheapest things I had found during the year.    Laddies, Warbirds, Wilson 50s, Nike PD Long, Taylor Made Burner.... I don't like these balls usually, but with all of the orange, red and yellow leaves, it will be just as easy to find the white ones as the brightly colored ones I like to use. 
   42 degrees and misting a little.    Doing the math in my head about how far the ball will probably carry today and trying to figure out whether it is a one or two club difference.     Who cares?   Scorecard?    I don't need no stinking scorecard.    I know all of the yardages.     First swing of the day, don't even need a breakfast ball, and I start my walk.    The leaves are at their peak.    The wind is calm.    The windshirt over the sweater should keep me from hypothermia. 
  3 holes in and I realize I haven't missed a shot yet with this Nike.   Flying high and straight.    Maybe I have been unfair in my assessment.      Then I hit a beautiful 6 iron from 150 and the ball hits 3 feet from the pin and runs out 20 feet on a soggy green.   Oh, yeah, that is why I hated these things.    Ah, well, two more putts and another par. 
    The walk is exercise and therapy.    I can feel whatever is stressing me melt away as I walk down the fairways, breathe deeply and admire the foliage.    The shooting range across the street is in use.    Somebody is unloading a lot of ammo in preparation for deer hunting season.    Like any other noise, if you are expecting it, it just fades into the background.  Good luck to them.     I carry on political arguments in my head for a while, arguing both sides of the gun issue.    As always, I try to come up with an angle I haven't before or a new metaphor.    Nothing like finding new phraseology for an old problem.    I move on to the next hole, chuckling to myself that I once again have failed to solve anything.
   Why can't I putt?    Forever, I seem to do better chipping from the fringe from 30 feet than I do putting on the green from 30 feet.    What am I doing wrong?  It isn't like I am 3 putting, I just seem to hole more chips than I do long putts.     Stupid game.     Hey, what am I shooting.     Holy crap, 8 holes in and even.  I look at my watch.    And I have just played the first 8 in an hour walking.    Hot damn!     Maybe I have been wasting my time with expensive golf balls.    This Laddie is kicking ass. 
    Shoot, first bad swing of the day.    That one isn't coming back out of those leaf covered woods.    Screw it, it was only a Diablo.     Next.     I hate this hole.   It has never fit my eye for my tee shot.    Ah, well, its only a Warbird.    Hey, I actually hit the fairway for about the second time in 25 tries on this hole this year.     Which I follow with laying the sod over a 6.    And again.    Third time is the charm.    The Nike!   Yeah, that's it.    The Nike is invincible!     Man, these trees are beautiful.     What was bothering me this morning?    Oh, that.    Meh, I got it.   
   Climbing the big hill on 18.    It raises 80 feet from tee to green.     I can never figure out how much club to add for my approach to that shallow green.    They really need to shave the bank behind the green so you can just throw it into that back hill and let it come back, but they never do.      So now I have to chip from 5 ft above the surface of the green to a pin 35 feet away with a false front 3 feet beyond it.     What?!?  I left it short?     Tap in for bogey on 18 in 2:25 from when I started.   8000 steps.     My mind and soul are cleansed and I am at peace with everybody.    I only lost the one ball.    Why can't I ever lose these old Nikes and Laddies and Wilsons?     I can lose ProV1's like nothing.       
    Breathing deep because the snow is coming and soon if I want to hit it will be off of mats.     I love golf.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: RJax55 on October 31, 2019, 12:00:45 PM
Tower.... Cedar Chase Golf Club?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2019, 12:24:56 PM
Tower.... Cedar Chase Golf Club?
Yes.   Amazing.   How did you know?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: RJax55 on October 31, 2019, 12:45:51 PM
Yes.   Amazing.   How did you know?

Haha, it was your wonderful description. Mostly the gun range and the 18th hole. Without a doubt, the definition of a hidden-gem. I find the back 9 very, very challenging.

I play it every year when I go to Grand Rapids. Play Cedar in the morning, then hit Pilgrim's Run in the afternoon. Just a great day of golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2019, 01:19:38 PM
Love the tee shot on 18 at Pilgrims Run.  That IS a good day of golf.

Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 01, 2019, 07:29:31 AM
On Tuesday I was hanging out at my local golf shop and range. Hitting the MP-20s with different shafts on the Trackman.

Three Titleist reps come in to setup the new T-series cart and promotions. We discussed the MP-20s and their new irons. One of the reps starts telling me about working with Tiger back before the Nike days and gIves this great story.

Tiger is working relentlessly on the range, four straight hours hitting ball after ball. Finally, Tiger decides to break for lunch. Tiger tells the group, we're going to Arby's. They get into Arby’s, everyone orders and Tiger is picking up the bill, which was strange enough. Tiger reaches into a little bag he had with him and takes a mailer of Arby's coupons out of his pocket. Tiger insisted on paying since the coupons expried the next day.


Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2019, 08:03:44 AM
Eldrick is notoriously tight with a buck.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 01, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
Eldrick is notoriously tight with a buck.

Well known, but the Arby's just makes you feel what it's like when worlds collide.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 03, 2019, 06:32:20 AM
On Tuesday I was hanging out at my local golf shop and range. Hitting the MP-20s with different shafts on the Trackman.

Three Titleist reps come in to setup the new T-series cart and promotions. We discussed the MP-20s and their new irons. One of the reps starts telling me about working with Tiger back before the Nike days and gIves this great story.

Tiger is working relentlessly on the range, four straight hours hitting ball after ball. Finally, Tiger decides to break for lunch. Tiger tells the group, we're going to Arby's. They get into Arby’s, everyone orders and Tiger is picking up the bill, which was strange enough. Tiger reaches into a little bag he had with him and takes a mailer of Arby's coupons out of his pocket. Tiger insisted on paying since the coupons expried the next day.

Jeez, what some people do to get an competitive advantage over others🤓
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 03, 2019, 09:04:45 AM
Rory's coming for #1.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 09:10:18 AM
Rory's coming for #1.

The Prince of Ponte Vedra
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 03, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
The Prince of Ponte Vedra

Someone listens to the Shotgun Start!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Someone listens to the Shotgun Start!

It’s great.  Big day with the Brendon Todd win
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 03, 2019, 07:38:22 PM
It’s great.  Big day with the Brendon Todd win

BRENDON!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2019, 08:50:58 AM
Has anyone out there played TPC Sawgrass?   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 11, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
Has anyone out there played TPC Sawgrass?   

Played in April, Friday before the Masters.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
Played in April, Friday before the Masters.
How many balls should I expect to lose?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 11, 2019, 12:06:04 PM
How many balls should I expect to lose?



All butt too, kin, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2019, 12:18:18 PM


All butt too, kin, hey?
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 11, 2019, 01:00:03 PM
How many balls should I expect to lose?

I'm a bogey golfer, I lost 4. Forecaddy is a minimum and my guy was awesome. There were some balls I would never bother looking for and he knew right where they were.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on November 11, 2019, 01:39:41 PM
In the water hazard with the Gators?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2019, 08:08:43 PM
In the water hazard with the Gators?
Was in a lot of them lol
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 13, 2019, 08:56:44 PM
On Tuesday I was hanging out at my local golf shop and range. Hitting the MP-20s with different shafts on the Trackman.

Three Titleist reps come in to setup the new T-series cart and promotions. We discussed the MP-20s and their new irons. One of the reps starts telling me about working with Tiger back before the Nike days and gIves this great story.

Tiger is working relentlessly on the range, four straight hours hitting ball after ball. Finally, Tiger decides to break for lunch. Tiger tells the group, we're going to Arby's. They get into Arby’s, everyone orders and Tiger is picking up the bill, which was strange enough. Tiger reaches into a little bag he had with him and takes a mailer of Arby's coupons out of his pocket. Tiger insisted on paying since the coupons expried the next day.

Career trajectory while eating at Arby's: strongly upward.

Career trajectory after switching to IHOP:  woefully downward.

Eat at Arby's
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 15, 2019, 05:49:25 AM
Career trajectory while eating at Arby's: strongly upward.

Career trajectory after switching to IHOP:  woefully downward.

Eat at Arby's

hate when they fold a couple pieces of meat and make your sammy look like it's stacked.  you get to the middle and all ya have is a mouthful of bun.  very disappointed...when eating a samich that is
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2019, 11:58:44 AM
Koepka out, Fowler in for the President's cup.   Not that it matters.   It should be a whuppin' anyway. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 21, 2019, 01:25:43 PM
Koepka out, Fowler in for the President's cup.   Not that it matters.   It should be a whuppin' anyway. 

Yawn. Not sure why there isn't more discussion on why Reed was included again. Completely carpet bombed the Ryder Cup team on his way out of France.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 05:20:09 PM
Koepka out, Fowler in for the President's cup.   Not that it matters.   It should be a whuppin' anyway.
I was hoping they would have picked Kevin Na just for the entertainment value. Ricky is a solid addition. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on November 28, 2019, 08:48:27 AM
Saw this deal on the Refuge message boards and thought I would pass it along. Club Champion currently is offering 50% off full bag fittings or 33% club fittings. $175 for a full bag fitting is really great deal. They have locations all over the US. Worth a look if you wanted to get your swing spec'd out.

https://clubchampiongolf.com/in-the-news/club-champion-holiday-discount (https://clubchampiongolf.com/in-the-news/club-champion-holiday-discount)
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on November 28, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
Was checking on the MU game for later on my mobile YTTV app, found the final round of Masters saved. I never saw the broadcast. So I have that going for me, which is nice.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 01, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Anyone build a simulator setup?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2019, 08:22:36 AM
Patrick Reed better get some noise cancelling headphones this week.     He is going to get his ass handed to him.   Which is one reason I sense an upset coming. 
1.   Reed is a distraction.   Who is going to want to play with a cheater?   And, if it blows up, does he go after Tiger like he did Furyk in France?
2.  Tiger as player-coach.   Yeah, if anybody can, it is Tiger, but that is still a whole lot on your plate.
3.  Koepka out.   
4.   DJ recently having knee surgery
5.   Fowler hasn't done much other than get married and get sick the last 3 months. 

Maybe the US team still has enough.    And if I am wrong, meh.   But it just feels like there is enough factors that it could add up to an upset.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 10, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
Patrick Reed better get some noise cancelling headphones this week.     He is going to get his ass handed to him.   Which is one reason I sense an upset coming. 
1.   Reed is a distraction.   Who is going to want to play with a cheater?   And, if it blows up, does he go after Tiger like he did Furyk in France?
2.  Tiger as player-coach.   Yeah, if anybody can, it is Tiger, but that is still a whole lot on your plate.
3.  Koepka out.   
4.   DJ recently having knee surgery
5.   Fowler hasn't done much other than get married and get sick the last 3 months. 

Maybe the US team still has enough.    And if I am wrong, meh.   But it just feels like there is enough factors that it could add up to an upset.   

I think everyone is looking for a reason why an upset could happen, but ultimately outside of Leish, Scott, Hideki and Louie it should be a boatrace.

Is it okay I like more internationals than the US team?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2019, 10:30:51 AM
Bryson has added 30 lbs so he doesn't have to afraid of Koepka and barely broke par on a much easier course last week.    What has Kuchar done recently?   Xander?   Webb?    Only players coming in playing close to form are the cheater and JT.    And Tiger, but two hats and 17 hour flight.   And he is old. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: RJax55 on December 10, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
Is it okay I like more internationals than the US team?

Definitely. The only guys I root for on the American team are Woodland and Finau.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: RJax55 on December 10, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
Bryson has added 30 lbs so he doesn't have to afraid of Koepka and barely broke par on a much easier course last week.    What has Kuchar done recently?   Xander?   Webb?    Only players coming in playing close to form are the cheater and JT.    And Tiger, but two hats and 17 hour flight.   And he is old.

Schauffele is in good form. Finished 2nd at the HSBC last month. 2nd at the Tour Championship. It is a bit hard to tell though, since the fall schedule is light for the marquee players.

But, you're right, overall.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2019, 11:22:33 AM
I think everyone is looking for a reason why an upset could happen, but ultimately outside of Leish, Scott, Hideki and Louie it should be a boatrace.

Is it okay I like more internationals than the US team?

Go Ernie
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 10, 2019, 11:40:09 AM
Cue the Americans crying about the course...

Since the PGA Tour didn't get to mandate the watering, the Americans won't be able to play dart board golf. Advantage Internationals.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 10, 2019, 12:24:17 PM
Definitely. The only guys I root for on the American team are Woodland and Finau.

i'd add xander and rickie to that list...we got dis one though
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 11, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
i guess tommy two gloves not gonna make it to the presidents cup, eyn'a?  anyone really heard of the dude?  he's won over $5 mil on the tour?  maybe he considered the, umm women as a biness expense?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2019/12/11/tommy-two-gloves-gainey-arrested-as-part-of-prostitution-sting/40800421/
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Chili on December 11, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
i guess tommy two gloves not gonna make it to the presidents cup, eyn'a?  anyone really heard of the dude?  he's won over $5 mil on the tour?  maybe he considered the, umm women as a biness expense?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2019/12/11/tommy-two-gloves-gainey-arrested-as-part-of-prostitution-sting/40800421/

He was on Big Break many years ago. Self made dude.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 12, 2019, 06:44:00 AM
Unique swing.  On tour a couple of years.  Mostly on the fringe tours.   Another example of the fine line between a really good golfer and those able to make a career on the PGA tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 12, 2019, 08:48:57 AM
After that asskicking, USA goes 3-2 tonight.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 12, 2019, 03:54:50 PM
After that asskicking, USA goes 3-2 tonight.

i hope so!  actually, i am holding my breath that we do even better.  there were some really humiliated golfers yesterday and rightly so.  we cannot allow the europeans to win this and use the momentum as a carryover to the ryder cup.  tiger's back ain't strong enough to carry this team
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 12, 2019, 07:36:09 PM
Combining British Open sight lines and Oakmont/Augusta greens.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Herman Cain on December 12, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
i guess tommy two gloves not gonna make it to the presidents cup, eyn'a?  anyone really heard of the dude?  he's won over $5 mil on the tour?  maybe he considered the, umm women as a biness expense?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2019/12/11/tommy-two-gloves-gainey-arrested-as-part-of-prostitution-sting/40800421/
The TV Movie about this would be called " A Pro and A Pro"
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 12, 2019, 09:21:50 PM
Better dig deep tomorrow.   And not in a Patrick Reed way.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 12, 2019, 11:04:08 PM
Golf!
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 14, 2019, 06:08:39 AM
I think it’s safe to say PReed will never be a captains pick again.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 14, 2019, 06:39:17 AM
Reeds caddie is his brother in law. 

Steve Williams used to get fairly aggressive protecting Tiger.   IIRC, he took away and perhaps destroyed a camera from an ignorant fan.

And fans at these events are getting out of control.  I believe they need to stop serving alcohol.   Eventually, some drunk guy who lost a bundle throwing down bets all day on his phone is going to have a physical confrontation with a player.

Handled correctly by the powers that be.   As I said earlier in the week, Reed had better get some noise cancelling headphones.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 09:01:47 AM
Reeds caddie is his brother in law. 

Steve Williams used to get fairly aggressive protecting Tiger.   IIRC, he took away and perhaps destroyed a camera from an ignorant fan.

And fans at these events are getting out of control.  I believe they need to stop serving alcohol.   Eventually, some drunk guy who lost a bundle throwing down bets all day on his phone is going to have a physical confrontation with a player.

Handled correctly by the powers that be.   As I said earlier in the week, Reed had better get some noise cancelling headphones.

The American team is wholly unlikable
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on December 14, 2019, 09:14:32 AM
i hope so!  actually, i am holding my breath that we do even better.  there were some really humiliated golfers yesterday and rightly so.  we cannot allow the europeans to win this and use the momentum as a carryover to the ryder cup.  tiger's back ain't strong enough to carry this team

I will bet you a few million English sterling that the “Europeans” don’t win this.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2019, 05:31:45 PM
i think cameron smith owns a little bit of the fracas between reed, his caddy and the fans.  the pga officials also could have nipped this one with better crowd control.  reed faced the camera and stated it was "unintentional"  whether you believe it or not, respect it.  talk about it however ya want in the locker room with your pals, but don't frothe up the crowd with the "cheating" word.  that's all they needed to hear washing down their home brews. 

  i'm sure the kid from "down under" could have exercised some restraint with his comments about hoping the fans give it to him this weekend

"I hope the crowd absolutely gives it to not only him, but everyone (on the American team) next week.”

would have been a great matchup reed vs smith
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 14, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
i think cameron smith owns a little bit of the fracas between reed, his caddy and the fans.  the pga officials also could have nipped this one with better crowd control.  reed faced the camera and stated it was "unintentional"  whether you believe it or not, respect it.  talk about it however ya want in the locker room with your pals, but don't frothe up the crowd with the "cheating" word.  that's all they needed to hear washing down their home brews. 

  i'm sure the kid from "down under" could have exercised some restraint with his comments about hoping the fans give it to him this weekend

"I hope the crowd absolutely gives it to not only him, but everyone (on the American team) next week.”

would have been a great matchup reed vs smith

There is no respect for a cheater like Patrick Reed.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2019, 06:27:33 PM
There is no respect for a cheater like Patrick Reed.

do you know what was in reed's heart?  so you know he cheated for sure?  he's the one who has to live with his conscience, not you.  these guys aren't stupid.  they know there are cameras all over the place.  regardless, no one deserves that kind of abuse. 


the way he's golfing right now-up 4 thru 4 holes...haven't seen him "cheat" yet.  i hope smith is crying after his round
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 14, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
Have you seen the video?  Do you scrape sand from behind your ball in waste areas?  I mean, if you are a casual golfer with no bets, it is really no different than taking a mulligan or rolling your ball.   For a pro, it is clearly cheating.   Hence them calling it cheating and hitting him with a two shot penalty.   
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2019, 06:47:41 PM
Have you seen the video?  Do you scrape sand from behind your ball in waste areas?  I mean, if you are a casual golfer with no bets, it is really no different than taking a mulligan or rolling your ball.   For a pro, it is clearly cheating.   Hence them calling it cheating and hitting him with a two shot penalty.

not arguing the penalty.  no, i do not scrape sand behind my balls-ouch.  he accepted his penalty for the mistake.  yes these are pros, but not automatons.  he doesn't need to cheat to win, as he has shown throughout his career. 

up 5 thru 6-haven't seen him "cheat" yet
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
do you know what was in reed's heart?  so you know he cheated for sure?  he's the one who has to live with his conscience, not you.  these guys aren't stupid.  they know there are cameras all over the place.  regardless, no one deserves that kind of abuse. 


the way he's golfing right now-up 4 thru 4 holes...haven't seen him "cheat" yet.  i hope smith is crying after his round

Patrick Reed has a LONG history before last week with regards to being accused of being a cheater
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 14, 2019, 06:49:14 PM
not arguing the penalty.  no, i do not scrape sand behind my balls-ouch.  he accepted his penalty for the mistake.  yes these are pros, but not automatons.  he doesn't need to cheat to win, as he has shown throughout his career. 

up 5 thru 6-haven't seen him "cheat" yet
Focused and angry today.   Cheated last week.   The two are not contradictory.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2019, 07:03:02 PM
December, Saturday night, prime time golf with Tiger? Yes, more of this please.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 14, 2019, 07:45:10 PM
December, Saturday night, prime time golf with Tiger? Yes, more of this please.

I’m in the exact same boat as you Dish. It’s been awesome to come home from work out on the TV and watch a few hours of golf before going to bed.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
Tiger just so methodical today, really no mistakes, clutch when needed.

I said it previously, absolutely love having this event this weekend, not much else of interest on, really well placed on the sports schedule. Primetime golf is so underrated.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 14, 2019, 09:17:14 PM
Golf past the watershed is even better.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 14, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
Or the other two occasions Reed was caught on camera doing the exact same move.

Guy is a scumbag, wish he would’ve fallen after being up. Now he’ll remember that he’s never lost a singles match.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 14, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
Someone claps in the middle of Dechambeau's backswing, proceeds to rip one down the middle of the fairway.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 14, 2019, 10:52:18 PM
tiger is a players coach!  he has has come a long way!!  when ya know where he's been, to see the emotion, it's all real, from the heart, couldn't be happier for the guy! he's got to be included on our ryder cup team somehow, somewhere
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2019, 10:54:25 PM
We’re so lucky to have this Tiger back, he and Jordan are the two best pro athletes in non Olympic sports ever.

What a great comeback by Team USA, awesome to watch.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2019, 11:13:59 PM
We’re so lucky to have this Tiger back, he and Jordan are the two best pro athletes in non Olympic sports ever.

What a great comeback by Team USA, awesome to watch.

+1. Really exciting stuff. Tiger’s comeback on and off the course is officially complete. I’m happy for him.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: MDMU04 on December 14, 2019, 11:32:12 PM
The American team is wholly unlikable

Tony Finau
Xander Schauffele
Patrick Cantlay
Rickie Fowler
Gary Woodland
Webb Simpson
Justin Thomas

What’s unlikable about any of those guys?

DJ has had his personal struggles but he’s human, and I don’t find him to be particularly unlikable either.

Patrick Reed is an obnoxious sociopath with a long history of being a self serving, cheating, lying despicable prick. Dechambeau is a slow playing, tone deaf nerd. Kuchar is a cheap ass and the king of the back door top ten.

Tiger requires more than a paragraph...but I find even him to be a lot more likable than he was before he saw his personal life and career (both self inflicted, another complication) pretty much go in the toilet at the same time.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 15, 2019, 07:10:57 AM
Tony Finau
Xander Schauffele
Patrick Cantlay
Rickie Fowler
Gary Woodland
Webb Simpson
Justin Thomas

What’s unlikable about any of those guys?

DJ has had his personal struggles but he’s human, and I don’t find him to be particularly unlikable either.

Patrick Reed is an obnoxious sociopath with a long history of being a self serving, cheating, lying despicable prick. Dechambeau is a slow playing, tone deaf nerd. Kuchar is a cheap ass and the king of the back door top ten.

Tiger requires more than a paragraph...but I find even him to be a lot more likable than he was before he saw his personal life and career (both self inflicted, another complication) pretty much go in the toilet at the same time.

Justin Thomas is a 26 year old Shooter McGavin.

Rickie Fowler is a corporate robot that seems more occupied with launches and brand synergy then winning.

I used to like both these guys a lot. They’ve become part of the personality-less US golf scene.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 15, 2019, 08:41:49 AM
i find this incredibly harsh, but hey, it's your opinion and i just disagree.     

         but "sociopath"?  pretty harsh.  i don't feel he quite fits this diagnosis.  far from perfect, exhibits his insecurities differently than the others, but these guys lives are under a microscope.  other than these cup competitions, they are 1-man teams completely responsible for their own successes. there are going to be flaws.  the amounts of pressure they are under as opposed to other team sports is not even closely comparable.

       i'd like to hear what your opinion of tiger was about 3-4 years ago.  narcissist maybe?  washed up drug abuser? serial philander'er?  knowing what we know, these guys can be very introspective.  dustin johnson's life was not held in very high regard a few years ago.  big time party'er and philander'er.  no ones girlfriend or wife were off limits to this dude.  this guy was a "pro party'er"  look at him now.  john daly?  holy crap, he should be dead.  john daly revitalized golf with his "grip it and rip it" with a bottle of jack in one hand and a cigarette in the other.  look at them today

my point-there may be some character flaws going on.  this could turn out to be patricks bottom in a way just as tigers was the ole baseball bat and ambien moments.  it is not the height from where someone stands presently, but how one got there.  life is a process.  sociopaths do not see this.  i do not think patrick's life is stamped and stagnant.  it's going to take some work for him to get rid of some stigmas just as tiger and dj and many others have


 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Cheeks on December 15, 2019, 08:44:22 AM
i find this incredibly harsh, but hey, it's your opinion and i just disagree.     

         but "sociopath"?  pretty harsh.  i don't feel he quite fits this diagnosis.  far from perfect, exhibits his insecurities differently than the others, but these guys lives are under a microscope.  other than these cup competitions, they are 1-man teams completely responsible for their own successes. there are going to be flaws.  the amounts of pressure they are under as opposed to other team sports is not even closely comparable.

       i'd like to hear what your opinion of tiger was about 3-4 years ago.  narcissist maybe?  washed up drug abuser? serial philander'er?  knowing what we know, these guys can be very introspective.  dustin johnson's life was not held in very high regard a few years ago.  big time party'er and philander'er.  no ones girlfriend or wife were off limits to this dude.  this guy was a "pro party'er"  look at him now.  john daly?  holy crap, he should be dead.  john daly revitalized golf with his "grip it and rip it" with a bottle of jack in one hand and a cigarette in the other.  look at them today

my point-there may be some character flaws going on.  this could turn out to be patricks bottom in a way just as tigers was the ole baseball bat and ambien moments.  it is not the height from where someone stands presently, but how one got there.  life is a process.  sociopaths do not see this.  i do not think patrick's life is stamped and stagnant.  it's going to take some work for him to get rid of some stigmas just as tiger and dj and many others have

Excellent points
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 15, 2019, 08:54:40 AM
i find this incredibly harsh, but hey, it's your opinion and i just disagree.     

         but "sociopath"?  pretty harsh.  i don't feel he quite fits this diagnosis.  far from perfect, exhibits his insecurities differently than the others, but these guys lives are under a microscope.  other than these cup competitions, they are 1-man teams completely responsible for their own successes. there are going to be flaws.  the amounts of pressure they are under as opposed to other team sports is not even closely comparable.

       i'd like to hear what your opinion of tiger was about 3-4 years ago.  narcissist maybe?  washed up drug abuser? serial philander'er?  knowing what we know, these guys can be very introspective.  dustin johnson's life was not held in very high regard a few years ago.  big time party'er and philander'er.  no ones girlfriend or wife were off limits to this dude.  this guy was a "pro party'er"  look at him now.  john daly?  holy crap, he should be dead.  john daly revitalized golf with his "grip it and rip it" with a bottle of jack in one hand and a cigarette in the other.  look at them today

my point-there may be some character flaws going on.  this could turn out to be patricks bottom in a way just as tigers was the ole baseball bat and ambien moments.  it is not the height from where someone stands presently, but how one got there.  life is a process.  sociopaths do not see this.  i do not think patrick's life is stamped and stagnant.  it's going to take some work for him to get rid of some stigmas just as tiger and dj and many others have

DJ is still living the DJ life.  He didn’t fall down some stairs at Augusta. 

I’d recommend reading Shane Ryan’s “Slaying the Tiger” if you want to learn about the character of Patrick Reed.  Last year’s post match actions at the Ryder Cup further show the character of Patrick Reed.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 15, 2019, 09:03:57 AM
Who would’ve thought these two clowns are the ones actually defending a known liar, cheat and all around bad person?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 15, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
DJ is still living the DJ life.  He didn’t fall down some stairs at Augusta. 


He just hurt his nose on the way down.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 15, 2019, 09:05:52 AM
He just hurt his nose on the way down.

Among other things.  Some of his fellow golfers don’t appreciate his $100 trick he uses to pick up women
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Cheeks on December 15, 2019, 09:14:28 AM
Who would’ve thought these two clowns are the ones actually defending a known liar, cheat and all around bad person?

Not defending Reed.  I was actually agreeing with Rocket’s comments about Tiger and Daly and where they were.

Sincerely

Clown #2
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 15, 2019, 10:32:20 AM
Who would’ve thought these two clowns are the ones actually defending a known liar, cheat and all around bad person?

defending, i guess in a sort of way.   you're being incredibly harsh however-"all around bad person"?? 

  you seem incredibly insecure, name calling, waiting for your buddies to hop on. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Sheriff on December 15, 2019, 11:19:34 AM
Justin Thomas is a 26 year old Shooter McGavin.

Rickie Fowler is a corporate robot that seems more occupied with launches and brand synergy then winning.

I used to like both these guys a lot. They’ve become part of the personality-less US golf scene.

Considering the fact that personality can be defined in terms of either positive or negative attributes, there is an abundance of personality in the "US golf scene."
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 15, 2019, 11:51:11 AM
Considering the fact that personality can be defined in terms of either positive or negative attributes, there is an abundance of personality in the "US golf scene."

Is there? I think Rick and JT used to be, but their social network presences have been dialed way back. They’ve both become corporate golf drones.

Remember SB2k16?
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: 🏀 on December 15, 2019, 11:57:12 AM
defending, i guess in a sort of way.   you're being incredibly harsh however-"all around bad person"?? 

  you seem incredibly insecure, name calling, waiting for your buddies to hop on. 

It’s hardly name-calling as much as an adjective.

Who’s hopping on?

Caught cheating in junior golf, suspected cheating in college golf, stolen equipment from teammates, kicked off college golf team, alienated family, blamed Tiger, Jordan, JT and Rickie for the 2018 Ryder Cup loss, and his wife and mother-in-law are twitter trolls.

Sounds like a pretty bad guy and I didn’t bother mentioning him cheating in the pros.

Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Cheeks on December 15, 2019, 12:50:30 PM
It’s hardly name-calling as much as an adjective.

Who’s hopping on?

Caught cheating in junior golf, suspected cheating in college golf, stolen equipment from teammates, kicked off college golf team, alienated family, blamed Tiger, Jordan, JT and Rickie for the 2018 Ryder Cup loss, and his wife and mother-in-law are twitter trolls.

Sounds like a pretty bad guy and I didn’t bother mentioning him cheating in the pros.

Now do Tiger Woods, Johnson, Daly...their pasts, accusations of cheating, etc...but hey, they had gripping personalities. 
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on December 26, 2019, 05:45:02 PM
Golfing in shorts on December 26 in Michigan... Priceless.
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 03, 2020, 12:11:32 PM
I don't think there is a more photogenic course on TV than the Plantation Course. It looks great on my 4k TV. I make sure to watch just for the course vistas. If I ever get back to Maui I'm going to have to fork over the cash to play it.

(https://firkzdfs.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/plantation7web.jpg?w=800)
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: tower912 on January 03, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
...about a 2-iron, I'd say....
Title: Re: Golf 2019
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 28, 2020, 12:16:19 PM
the honda is playing like the PGA-jack's course is beating people up.  brooks thru round 2 at +8.  a lot of good golfers way over par thru 2.  rickie got stung a little bit yesterday.  north wind is killing 'em
Title: Golf 2020
Post by: 🏀 on March 01, 2020, 07:27:13 AM
the honda is playing like the PGA-jack's course is beating people up.  brooks thru round 2 at +8.  a lot of good golfers way over par thru 2.  rickie got stung a little bit yesterday.  north wind is killing 'em

Super fun leaderboard for Sunday. New schedule murders this event, but Donald, Westy, Tommy will be fun.

Hoping for a Sungjae surge, guy is a machine.