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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: #UnleashSean on March 26, 2019, 02:53:47 PM
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Since this was going to be posted eventually...
Mods lock.
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Jussie is on the right side of the two sided justice system we have in the US.
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Let's make this thread simple ....
If you think the Illinois States Attorney made the right move, and/or that Jussie deserved to get off, make your case.
Otherwise, I will assume everyone here with an account would answer these questions no and no.
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Love how he has the audacity to make a statement basically saying " see I was honest since day one" to.the media. We have video of his black friends buying crap to stage the attack. Broken justice system. Lol
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Federal investigation is on-going. I’m honestly wondering if this is a situation where the state is getting out of the feds’ way so as to not inhibit the latter’s investigation/case.
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In before the lock.
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Federal investigation is on-going. I’m honestly wondering if this is a situation where the state is getting out of the feds’ way so as to not inhibit the latter’s investigation/case.
By destroying their own reputation and getting leftist/democrats and the Chicago Police to demand an investigation of their office?
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and sealed all of the documents so a FOI cannot even be executed...hmmmm
wonder what those 2 nigerian guys are doing right about now?
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Even by Chicago/Cook County standards, this case absolutely stinks beyond belief.
Nothing in Cook County is a coincidence. The announcement of all charges being dropped while Rahm and Johnson are at the police graduation at Navy Pier, coincidence? Ha.
The Cook County State's Attorney office ran over, backed up, ran over again, backed up one more time, and ran over again the CPD here. CPD sins past/present aren't the issue here, but the lack of even professional courtesy here to the CPD and Mayor's office is asinine, complete slap in the face, especially given the high profile nature of this particular case.
Even if the Feds are going to file charges, what was the rush to drop the charges today?
Word out this evening is that Smollett did 16 hours (ironic that he had 16 counts against him) of community service for Rainbow Push, including critiquing students, working in the bookstore, and talking to visitors (?!?!??!?!?).
I know this thread will get locked, I wish it wouldn't, because I'd love to hear from Sir Lawrence or another lawyer on here about their take.
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very concerned if the feds decide to charge because, well...this country does not need anymore finger pointing and partisan divisiveness. time to chill. but this dude just saying he held to the truth from day one is a lie
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Indefensible is the title of the Tribune editorial. Perfect description. Foxx owes answers. Federal charges are still possible.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-jussie-smollett-hoax-rahm-emanuel-20190326-story.html
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Jussie is on the right side of the two sided justice system we have in the US.
Nailed it.
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I'm candidly appalled by what happened. I get that an ordinary, non-celebrity citizen who pulled a stunt like Mr. Smollett did would under similar circumstances get a relatively lenient treatment by the courts.
However, the amount of investment the Chicago Police Department made in investigating the case was significant. What happens to that cost? The beleaguered Chicago taxpayers pay it or, as Eddie Johnson eloquently said, it is time taken away from investigating real crime. We have some real problems in Chicago and we really don't need some Hollywood charlatan forcing the police department to take time to investigate a joke.
More importantly, why were the records sealed? What is the State's Attorney, the judge and the defendant's counsel hiding from public view? Given what John Kass calls the "Chicago Way," one naturally is led to wonder what on earth is so sensitive in those files that nobody wants them seen. Or who was paid?
Sadly, Cook County has the nickname, "Crook County." It's days like yesterday that give the city and the county a very, very bad reputation.
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Still bewildered by this. I don't think anyone with a brain on this board is going to make a case charges should have been dropped. It goes beyond partisan politics. Democrats and Republicans agree on this. I share Rahm's outrage.
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More importantly, why were the records sealed? What is the State's Attorney, the judge and the defendant's counsel hiding from public view? Given what John Kass calls the "Chicago Way," one naturally is led to wonder what on earth is so sensitive in those files that nobody wants them seen. Or who was paid?
For what it's worth, some of what I read suggests that Smollett's lawyers were just as surprised as the rest of us.
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Real tough ta bee a cop deez daze. Kant understand why anyone wood want dat gig, hey?
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After a grand jury, who saw some, not all, but enough evidence to charge Jussie with 16 counts. Word is there is even more damning evidence. Joseph magats, the asst states atty who took over for a recused Kim Fox takes the fall and drops all the charges except for the joke of community service for...Jessie Jackson.
If the feds take this case, it’s going to reopen all kinds of racism accusations and worse because that narrative has already been established. Read the media relentless attacks on the WH and the administration. It will further detract from what really happened here and justify in some people’s minds that Jussie can not possibly get a fair trial via the fed route either.
Take “celebrity” minority/ minority/ minority out of this and you have a very simple case here. But the fact that the perp was a “celebrity” makes this even worse. CPD went out of its way to try to make amends and to try to show the people that they care and relentlessly investigated this case to protect its people. Well, careful what ya wish for...oh wait, you can stop looking now-seal the case and...never mind?.
This case is very simple- Take Jussie the “ celebrity” out of it What does the evidence show
There has to be some kind of pathology here. Ends justify the means?
Why isn’t Jussie concerned with finding the real perps so this does not happen to anyone else? Maybe o.j. Can help him out?
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and sealed all of the documents so a FOI cannot even be executed...hmmmm
wonder what those 2 nigerian guys are doing right about now?
The judge is up for re-election next year...my prediction is he wins in a landslide.
JS good pals with JJ, BO and that’s all that is needed perhaps?
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After a grand jury, who saw some, not all, but enough evidence to charge Jussie with 16 counts. [...]
A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich. That a grand jury indicted is is not a particularly damning fact.
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Word on the street this morning is basically this:
I get that an ordinary, non-celebrity citizen who pulled a stunt like Mr. Smollett did would under similar circumstances get a relatively lenient treatment by the courts.
That said, several questions marks as to the announcement (ranging from "who was in on this decision" all the way to "why didn't they wait until Friday at 4:45p") and even more questions as to sealing the case... which basically allows Jussie to claim innocence.
Even if the sentence would have eventually been time served/community service, allowing him to "wipe the record clean" isn't exactly a deterrent to others considering making false accusations in the future.
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Federal investigation is on-going. I’m honestly wondering if this is a situation where the state is getting out of the feds’ way so as to not inhibit the latter’s investigation/case.
The allegedly false threat sent to the studio through the mail would be the most likely to be prosecuted by the feds thing... postal inspectors are no joke.
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Even by Chicago/Cook County standards, this case absolutely stinks beyond belief.
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Initially when I read he agreed to forfeit his bond I thought "well there it is." But at only $10k that hardly seems like it would move the needle.
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OJ and JS can get together now to find the real criminals.
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Next idea: Why doesn't the City of Chicago tabulate the costs of the investigation in terms of police manpower and file a civil suit against Mr. Smollett personally? Use the corporation counsel for a litigator if you want a low budget case or retain one of the city's high powered legal counsels if you want to win and find buried treasure.
Can't hurt and would send a strong message. Did a great job of dealing with OJ!
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Rahm's quotes made me roll my eyes.
“This is a whitewash of justice,” Mayor Rahm Emanuel told reporters, with Johnson at his side. “Where is the accountability in the system? You cannot have, because of a person’s position, one set of rules apply to them and another set of rules apply to everybody else.”
In light of the Sterling Bay / Lincoln Yards the irony is great.
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I'm candidly appalled by what happened. I get that an ordinary, non-celebrity citizen who pulled a stunt like Mr. Smollett did would under similar circumstances get a relatively lenient treatment by the courts.
However, the amount of investment the Chicago Police Department made in investigating the case was significant. What happens to that cost? The beleaguered Chicago taxpayers pay it or, as Eddie Johnson eloquently said, it is time taken away from investigating real crime. We have some real problems in Chicago and we really don't need some Hollywood charlatan forcing the police department to take time to investigate a joke.
More importantly, why were the records sealed? What is the State's Attorney, the judge and the defendant's counsel hiding from public view? Given what John Kass calls the "Chicago Way," one naturally is led to wonder what on earth is so sensitive in those files that nobody wants them seen. Or who was paid?
Sadly, Cook County has the nickname, "Crook County." It's days like yesterday that give the city and the county a very, very bad reputation.
There are 18 still-unsolved murders that happened during the time a crap-ton of cops were assigned to investigate Smollett's case. That's what angers me the most.
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The judge is up for re-election next year...my prediction is he wins in a landslide.
JS good pals with JJ, BO and that’s all that is needed perhaps?
You are overthinking this, and over politicizing it. One of the big key pieces of evidence was two witnesses who reportedly said they were hired to do this. The problem is, on the stand they said otherwise. Said the payments were for them as trainers to train him.
Very likely that the prosecutors office realized that even though he was guilty, if the two key witnesses recanted their story, and are now saying they were not involved and were paid as trainers (with evidence to support their being hired as trainers), they realized that this was going to waste a lot of money for an acquittal.
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This has been up 3 days without a lock. Good job scoop.
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You are overthinking this, and over politicizing it. One of the big key pieces of evidence was two witnesses who reportedly said they were hired to do this. The problem is, on the stand they said otherwise. Said the payments were for them as trainers to train him.
Very likely that the prosecutors office realized that even though he was guilty, if the two key witnesses recanted their story, and are now saying they were not involved and were paid as trainers (with evidence to support their being hired as trainers), they realized that this was going to waste a lot of money for an acquittal.
You are overthinking this. Foxx is literally sending out memos internally to ask for proxy type examples and claiming this was diversion justice approach which is used for things like drunk driving, not for something like this.
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If it looks like a steaming pile of sh1t, feels like a steaming pile of sh1t, and tastes like a steaming pile of sh1t it's probably a genuine steaming pile of sh1t
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Next idea: Why doesn't the City of Chicago tabulate the costs of the investigation in terms of police manpower and file a civil suit against Mr. Smollett personally? Use the corporation counsel for a litigator if you want a low budget case or retain one of the city's high powered legal counsels if you want to win and find buried treasure.
Can't hurt and would send a strong message. Did a great job of dealing with OJ!
It appears it was suggested that JS pay up and in response his lawyer doubled down on his innocence...ok
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The judge is up for re-election next year...my prediction is he wins in a landslide.
JS good pals with JJ, BO and that’s all that is needed perhaps?
In Cook County, a Democratic judge can be rated Not Qualified and still be re-elected in a landslide. He or she can be the worst judge on the planet (Cynthia Brim) and get re-elected in Cook County. Steven Watkins was rated qualified in 2014. Of course he wins in a landslide.
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There are 18 still-unsolved murders that happened during the time a crap-ton of cops were assigned to investigate Smollett's case. That's what angers me the most.
Uh, yes. How many more people might die because the Chicago Police were diverting resources from murder investigations to deal with this Hollywood charlatan.
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Rahm's quotes made me roll my eyes.
“This is a whitewash of justice,” Mayor Rahm Emanuel told reporters, with Johnson at his side. “Where is the accountability in the system? You cannot have, because of a person’s position, one set of rules apply to them and another set of rules apply to everybody else.”
In light of the Sterling Bay / Lincoln Yards the irony is great.
Whats interesting to me, speaking of Rahm, reading stuff today about given who Rahm's brother is, arguably one of the top 3-5 most powerful people in Hollywood, Jussie's going to find it mighty hard to find work. The general public may forget, but grudges that ruined careers have been fiercely held over much less than someone embarrassing/enraging your brother in this manner.
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Whats interesting to me, speaking of Rahm, reading stuff today about given who Rahm's brother is, arguably one of the top 3-5 most powerful people in Hollywood, Jussie's going to find it mighty hard to find work. The general public may forget, but grudges that ruined careers have been fiercely held over much less than someone embarrassing/enraging your brother in this manner.
As powerful as Rahm is, Ari is a force.
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Uh, yes. How many more people might die because the Chicago Police were diverting resources from murder investigations to deal with this Hollywood charlatan.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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As powerful as Rahm is, Ari is a force.
You ain’t kidding. He is something else and to be in a room with him is hard to describe. Talk about someone that could sell ice to eskimos....he is something. I’m not very happy with him last week and we let him know that, but he is a tour de force for sure.
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It appears it was suggested that JS pay up and in response his lawyer doubled down on his innocence...ok
His attorney now claims the perps may have been in white face....you know, at 2:00am in Chicago with -10 temps randomly carrying a noose and bleach while hanging out by the subway.
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His attorney now claims the perps may have been in white face....you know, at 2:00am in Chicago with -10 temps randomly carrying a noose and bleach while hanging out by the subway.
Bleach stored in a repurposed hot sauce bottle.
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This was like one of the worst made-up crimes ever.
You can’t blame the judge when the State walks in and says they are dropping the charge, you can’t force them to put on witnesses. The ‘emergency hearing’ part of this is unfathomable. And state law actually allows immediate sealing (not expungement) of acquittals and dismissals, but they really aren’t very common and these were put into effect with lightning speed.
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This was like one of the worst made-up crimes ever.
You can’t blame the judge when the State walks in and says they are dropping the charge, you can’t force them to put on witnesses. The ‘emergency hearing’ part of this is unfathomable. And state law actually allows immediate sealing (not expungement) of acquittals and dismissals, but they really aren’t very common and these were put into effect with lightning speed.
The Cook County State's Attorney who so blatantly screwed this thing up now claims that the file was sealed "inadvertently" and will be unsealed. To my knowledge she hasn't offered much explanation on why, if sealing the record was inadvertent, they were initially fighting media who were trying to obtain records.
I suspect Foxx realizes that she might be in for a little bit of a rough road...or, at least she would be if this wasn't all happening in Chicago. She may be wishing she had recused herself (and her office) in a "legal sense" rather than just "colloquially." She's shockingly incompetent.
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You are overthinking this, and over politicizing it. One of the big key pieces of evidence was two witnesses who reportedly said they were hired to do this. The problem is, on the stand they said otherwise. Said the payments were for them as trainers to train him.
Are you speculating on this? Or did you see this reported somewhere?
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The Cook County State's Attorney who so blatantly screwed this thing up now claims that the file was sealed "inadvertently" and will be unsealed. To my knowledge she hasn't offered much explanation on why, if sealing the record was inadvertent, they were initially fighting media who were trying to obtain records.
I suspect Foxx realizes that she might be in for a little bit of a rough road...or, at least she would be if this wasn't all happening in Chicago. She may be wishing she had recused herself (and her office) in a "legal sense" rather than just "colloquially." She's shockingly incompetent.
A couple of fun facts:
George Soros gave $400K to a Super Pac affiliated with Kim Foxx. An aide of Michelle Obama has admitted that she reached out to Kim Foxx about the Smollett case on behalf of her boss.
It's the Chicago way.
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A couple of fun facts:
George Soros gave $400K to a Super Pac affiliated with Kim Foxx. An aide of Michelle Obama has admitted that she reached out to Kim Foxx about the Smollett case on behalf of her boss.
It's the Chicago way.
Good grief. Soros and Obama conspiracies? What's next QAnon's role in this??
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Bleach stored in a repurposed hot sauce bottle.
That’s where everyone keeps their bleach....in Chicago
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Good grief. Soros and Obama conspiracies? What's next QAnon's role in this??
She’s not wrong about MO, that already reported, lots of photos, etc. Tribune has mentioned it several times as has the LA Times. No idea if George part is true.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/27/jussie-smollett-investigation-ex-michelle-obama-aide-tina-tchen/3294546002/
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She’s not wrong about MO, that already reported, lots of photos, etc. Tribune has mentioned it several times as has the LA Times. No idea if George part is true.
Sure...the fact she is former aide to MO is inconsequential at best, and dangerous at worst. We literally just had a dude mailing pipe bombs to folks like Soros and the Obamas because he was convinced they were part of a cabal and a danger to us all...and using inferences like these only feed folks who are deranged and ill (not calling you deranged or ill Chick).
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Sure...the fact she is former aide to MO is inconsequential at best, and dangerous at worst. We literally just had a dude mailing pipe bombs to folks like Soros and the Obamas because he was convinced they were part of a cabal and a danger to us all...and using inferences like these only feed folks who are deranged and ill (not calling you deranged or ill Chick).
Well, the optics of this one are bad. Yes, I know it happens and has happened since the dawn of time.
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A couple of fun facts:
George Soros gave $400K to a Super Pac affiliated with Kim Foxx. An aide of Michelle Obama has admitted that she reached out to Kim Foxx about the Smollett case on behalf of her boss.
It's the Chicago way.
I'm not outraged that the charges were dropped, but I am outraged that because the charges were dropped he believes he has been vindicated, did nothing wrong, and is still a victim and did not lie about the whole episode. Unbelievable!
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Tina Tchen is a former aide to Michelle Obama, not a current one, and there’s been no connection to Michelle, who would have no reason to be involved. Heck, there are people trying to tie this to Kamela Harris and to Rahm’s wife Amy.
Foxx is Preckwinkle’s person -which is a problem for her with the mayoral race next week.
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Good grief. Soros and Obama conspiracies? What's next QAnon's role in this??
Did you hear that Jussie's mom is actually...HILLARY??? It's true!!!
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It's funny that Kim Foxx so badly has wanted to be a political star, she was (maybe still plans to) going to go after Durbin's seat after he retires, and now her political career is going to be over after this.
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She’s not wrong about MO, that already reported, lots of photos, etc. Tribune has mentioned it several times as has the LA Times. No idea if George part is true.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/27/jussie-smollett-investigation-ex-michelle-obama-aide-tina-tchen/3294546002/
Here's a story in the Washington Post from seven months ago. This story says $300K, but there could have been more contributions after this article was written.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/down-ballot-liberal-reformers-take-over-criminal-justice-system/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6445901e803c
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I'm not outraged that the charges were dropped, but I am outraged that because the charges were dropped he believes he has been vindicated, did nothing wrong, and is still a victim and did not lie about the whole episode. Unbelievable!
I see what you did here....
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I see what you did here....
Not even close....no comparison at all.
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Time for the legislative overreach.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3824&GAID=15&GA=101&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=121016&SessionID=108
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Time for the legislative overreach.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3824&GAID=15&GA=101&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=121016&SessionID=108
Politics is broken.
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Are you speculating on this? Or did you see this reported somewhere?
I slightly misstated what was reported.
The prosecution was trying to use the $3500 check as proof of payment to the individuals. They testified to the grand jury that money was because he hired them as trainers. They were still attesting they were hired, but had no proof, no payments. Everything paid for in loose cash etc.
There was then no paper trail, to corroborate the story. Based on the evidence I've seen reported, including the published police report, the best case scenario was looking like a hung jury.
All that said, I think he did hire them, but the physical proof was lacking. I think the decision to not prosecute was likely wise (would still like to see all the evidence first), but the way this was all handled was horrendously executed.
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I slightly misstated what was reported.
The prosecution was trying to use the $3500 check as proof of payment to the individuals. They testified to the grand jury that money was because he hired them as trainers. They were still attesting they were hired, but had no proof, no payments. Everything paid for in loose cash etc.
There was then no paper trail, to corroborate the story. Based on the evidence I've seen reported, including the published police report, the best case scenario was looking like a hung jury.
All that said, I think he did hire them, but the physical proof was lacking. I think the decision to not prosecute was likely wise (would still like to see all the evidence first), but the way this was all handled was horrendously executed.
Thanks for the follow-up. I thought you were suggesting that the brothers had recanted. I never thought the check added much to the prosecution's case in light of the fact that everyone acknowledged that one or both of the brothers was Smollett's trainer. That creates an obvious -- and quite possibly true -- alternate explanation for the check. The check made for a great punchline, but I always thought it was of limited evidentiary value. Based upon what I've read, I honestly cannot handicap how a jury would have viewed this. I think that's premature and it's likely (and has been reported) that the public is only aware of a small part of the evidence they have in the case. If this is true, I don't think that the prosecutors bailed out because they feared that they didn't have enough evidence to secure a conviction. I think it's more likely that it was either because the prosecutor's failure to actually recuse herself created a problem for her office or because of political reasons.
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A couple of fun facts:
George Soros gave $400K to a Super Pac affiliated with Kim Foxx. An aide of Michelle Obama has admitted that she reached out to Kim Foxx about the Smollett case on behalf of her boss.
It's the Chicago way.
Next we will hear about the gay mafia that is intimidating people and pulling strings, behind the scenes. Damn manipulative gays!
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I'm just glad that white face is now a thing.
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I doubt this would have ever gone to a jury trial. Deferred prosecution is not highly unusual, but the way this one was handled is unlike any other case I’ve ever seen.
This is the second time I’ve heard someone say that Foxx was interested in Durbin’s seat. He hasn’t said anything about retiring yet, and she would have been a long shot at best. Now? She’s toast.
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My prediction: If Lightfoot wins, Foxx will resign within a week or two after the election.
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A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich. That a grand jury indicted is is not a particularly damning fact.
+1000. Most people have no clue how a grand jury works.
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My prediction: If Lightfoot wins, Foxx will resign within a week or two after the election.
Having long distanced myself from knowledge of Chicago/Illinois politics why this would be?
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Having long distanced myself from knowledge of Chicago/Illinois politics why this would be?
Foxx is Preckwinkle's protege. If Preckwinkle wins (which seems unlikely), Toni may be able to find a way to provide Foxx with some type of political cover. Foxx is going to get smoked in any re-election bid for SA in 2020, I doubt she makes it out of the primaries. If Lightfoot wins, Foxx is going to be on a very lonely island in Illinois state politics. There's no way she can run for Durbin's seat if he retires, she didn't run for AG this past year. In Illinois, especially as a SA, if you have no friends and no cover, you are deader than dead politically. We'll see if Foxx realizes this very soon.
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A couple of fun facts:
George Soros gave $400K to a Super Pac affiliated with Kim Foxx. An aide of Michelle Obama has admitted that she reached out to Kim Foxx about the Smollett case on behalf of her boss.
It's the Chicago way.
Funny thing. If I make any positive statement about Barrack on this board, the snowflakes melt down and I hear from the mods. Yet others are Allowed to attack those on the left with comments like these.
Interesting how that works.
My God, GEORGE SOROS IS EVIL. :-\
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Jockey
Why do the mods contact you?
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Funny thing. If I make any positive statement about Barrack on this board, the snowflakes melt down and I hear from the mods. Yet others are Allowed to attack those on the left with comments like these.
Interesting how that works.
My God, GEORGE SOROS IS EVIL. :-\
Seriously? Is there anything that's not factual in chick's statement?
I've PURPOSEFULLY not articulated the very plausible explanation for all of this that is widely circulating right now. Go do your research.
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Damn (http://www.ilpba.org/announcements/7249825).
"The manner in which this case was dismissed was abnormal and unfamiliar to those who practice law in criminal courthouses across the State. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges alike do not recognize the arrangement Mr. Smollett received. Even more problematic, the State’s Attorney and her representatives have fundamentally misled the public on the law and circumstances surrounding the dismissal. The public has the right to know the truth, and we set out to do that here...This irregular arrangement was an affront to prosecutors across the State, the Chicago Police Department, victims of hate crimes, and the people of the City of Chicago and Cook County."
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StillaWarrior
Damn. Thanks for sharing that.
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Damn (http://www.ilpba.org/announcements/7249825).
"The manner in which this case was dismissed was abnormal and unfamiliar to those who practice law in criminal courthouses across the State. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges alike do not recognize the arrangement Mr. Smollett received. Even more problematic, the State’s Attorney and her representatives have fundamentally misled the public on the law and circumstances surrounding the dismissal. The public has the right to know the truth, and we set out to do that here...This irregular arrangement was an affront to prosecutors across the State, the Chicago Police Department, victims of hate crimes, and the people of the City of Chicago and Cook County."
Whoa that seems like a forceful rebuttal, can't imagine that kind of thing happens a lot. Pleading a lot of ignorance here, but this all seems like an amazing boondoggle by Foxx and team, why in the hell would they do any of this? If this is a case of the Cook County SA is just that incompetent, I'd still think there has to be a motivation to do things this way....like I don't think you accidentally f'it up this bad.
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Whoa that seems like a forceful rebuttal, can't imagine that kind of thing happens a lot. Pleading a lot of ignorance here, but this all seems like an amazing boondoggle by Foxx and team, why in the hell would they do any of this? If this is a case of the Cook County SA is just that incompetent, I'd still think there has to be a motivation to do things this way....like I don't think you accidentally f'it up this bad.
I'd be very curious to hear from someone who practices criminal law regarding the potential consequences of a prosecutor telling the world that she had recused herself, but not actually doing so. It's become clear that Foxx's initial statements that she recused herself were misleading at best. The statement yesterday that she had not recused herself in the "legal sense" but in the "colloquial sense" was hard to believe. So, my question to those who know more about this kind of thing than I: would that failure to have actually recused herself (and her office) have jeopardized the prosecution's case? Is it possible that her office realized that they were totally screwed by the half-assed "recusal" and they decided to cut their losses early rather than moving forward with the prosecution and failing spectacularly due to the apparent conflict? Honestly, aside from just being pure politics (which is certainly possible), this is the only thing that makes much sense to me given how things have developed. I kind of think screwed up her case due to sheer incompetence when she failed to properly recuse herself (despite apparently realizing she needed to do so), and she was foolish enough to hope that people wouldn't ask too many questions when she dismissed it. I fully realize that I may be giving her too much credit by trying to think of an explanation based on incompetence rather than corruption.
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I doubt this would have ever gone to a jury trial. Deferred prosecution is not highly unusual, but the way this one was handled is unlike any other case I’ve ever seen.
This is the second time I’ve heard someone say that Foxx was interested in Durbin’s seat. He hasn’t said anything about retiring yet, and she would have been a long shot at best. Now? She’s toast.
But it is unusual for THIS type of crime, which is why Foxx was begging in the memo for examples to try and prop up this sham excuse.
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Funny thing. If I make any positive statement about Barrack on this board, the snowflakes melt down and I hear from the mods. Yet others are Allowed to attack those on the left with comments like these.
Interesting how that works.
My God, GEORGE SOROS IS EVIL. :-\
Maybe because she is providing straight facts. Just a thought. Nothing she said was out of bounds or not of fact.
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He probably wouldn’t ever get involved in this, but sooner rather than later, this is going to politically become a problem for Kwame Raoul. The ILPBA statement was damning and now the question becomes is the Cook County SA office compromised? Raoul has strategically been quiet here, not by accident.
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As stated, it’s a former not current aide to Michelle Obama, and I haven’t seen anything anywhere that says she reached out on behalf of Michelle. It would make no sense for Michelle to have inserted herself, there is no indication she knows Smollett at all.
I haven’t seen anyone asking the prosecutors why it was an emergency hearing, which is one of the most startling things about this. It’s one of the things being discussed in my FB group of current and former PD’s.
Some of us are already discussing who might take Foxx on next year. Kwame just took office and holds it for at least four years, he has a much bigger base than Foxx does, I don’t see fallout for him.
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As stated, it’s a former not current aide to Michelle Obama, and I haven’t seen anything anywhere that says she reached out on behalf of Michelle. It would make no sense for Michelle to have inserted herself, there is no indication she knows Smollett at all.
I agree with your first couple points, but I've seen pictures from several different occasions when Smollett and Michelle Obama were together (https://www.google.com/search?q=michelle+obama+jussie+smollett&safe=active&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS697US697&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizld7Jo6jhAhUOHqwKHUJYAyQQ_AUIDygC&biw=1178&bih=686&dpr=1.25). While that doesn't mean they were BFF or anything, it's certainly some indication that she knows him at least a bit.
But, you're correct that there is no indication Michelle Obama inserted herself here. Without some evidence -- and I've seen none -- I'm not willing to blame Michelle Obama for the actions of a former aide.
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Seriously? Is there anything that's not factual in chick's statement?
This. Not an attack at all.
Apparently, calling jockey a snowflake is also not an attack.
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Point taken on the photos.
Tina Tchen was a high-powered and connected lawyer well before the election of Barack Obama to the Senate, much less the presidency.
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Maybe because she is providing straight facts. Just a thought. Nothing she said was out of bounds or not of fact.
Spot on. Nothing ever bad could happen by flippingly making accusations that George Soros and the Obamas are secretly involved in overturning our government.
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Tina Tchen was a high-powered and connected lawyer well before the election of Barack Obama to the Senate, much less the presidency.
Agreed. I'm not willing to blame Michelle Obama for Tina Tchen's actions. Honestly, the impression I got was that Tchen knew Smollett's family and that was her interest in the case.
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In Cook County, a Democratic judge can be rated Not Qualified and still be re-elected in a landslide. He or she can be the worst judge on the planet (Cynthia Brim) and get re-elected in Cook County. Steven Watkins was rated qualified in 2014. Of course he wins in a landslide.
Yeah? And at the Federal level, the Republican Senate can confirm 6 (and counting) Not Qualified rated judges to lifetime positions.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-confirm-trump-judge-not-qualified_n_5c0fff13e4b0ac5371797422
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Seriously? Is there anything that's not factual in chick's statement?
I've PURPOSEFULLY not articulated the very plausible explanation for all of this that is widely circulating right now. Go do your research.
Piecing what may be entirely factual, yet unrelated statements together into a single story is where you are wrong.
I went to a Catholic university. Many Catholic priests are/were sexual abusers, pedophiles, and nun rapists. Therefore, there is a connection between the two (I must support pedophiles, or in fact, I am a pedophile).
Sounding logical is not the same thing as actually being logical. But, I guess the sounding part is the important aspect on the internet. Further proof of inanity is simply mentioning George Soros in the first place. Yeah, I'll go do my research on 4chan now - that is where reality originates for some.
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Yeah? And at the Federal level, the Republican Senate can confirm 6 (and counting) Not Qualified rated judges to lifetime positions.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-confirm-trump-judge-not-qualified_n_5c0fff13e4b0ac5371797422
I really don't know anything about this, but I find the phrase, "a record high for a president in the first two years of his or her term" to be oddly specific.
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IBTL. By the way, I doubt the Obamas are directly involved too. Nothing in it for them. That of course doesn't mean others aren't.
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IBTL. By the way, I doubt the Obamas are directly involved too. Nothing in it for them. That of course doesn't mean others aren't.
That's the best you can do?
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Ban a lot of dis guys
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Yeah? And at the Federal level, the Republican Senate can confirm 6 (and counting) Not Qualified rated judges to lifetime positions.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-confirm-trump-judge-not-qualified_n_5c0fff13e4b0ac5371797422
Someone took it off the rails......but if you are going there, how many fully qualified ones were still voted down by the RESIST / NO / NEVER group. I guess ABA ratings only matter, until they don't...eh?
And it matters now, but didn't then? Ah....hmm. Yup, one guy has more than others, but each of the last 5 have had multiple that came back unqualified. I'm sure you were very upset about it then, too.
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That's the best you can do?
No. I'm just steering clear. Big difference.
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I really don't know anything about this, but I find the phrase, "a record high for a president in the first two years of his or her term" to be oddly specific.
I would guess that is because the current president is only two years into office, so that would be the only way to do an apples to apples comparison.
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Someone took it off the rails......but if you are going there, how many fully qualified ones were still voted down by the RESIST / NO / NEVER group. I guess ABA ratings only matter, until they don't...eh?
And it matters now, but didn't then? Ah....hmm. Yup, one guy has more than others, but each of the last 5 have had multiple that came back unqualified. I'm sure you were very upset about it then, too.
None. The Dems haven't controlled the Senate since 2014.
And, Obama had zero Non-Qualified, per the page you briefly linked to:
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/10/how-unusual-are-trumps-not-qualified-judicial-nominations/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d76c4c77089d)
So, yeah, the rankings matter...until they matter.
EDIT: For spelling...but editing appears to wipe out the link somehow.
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None. The Dems haven't controlled the Senate since 2014.
And, Obama had zero Non-Qualified, per the page you briefly linked to:
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/10/how-unusual-are-trumps-not-qualified-judicial-nominations/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d76c4c77089d)
So, yeah, the rankings matter...until they matter.
EDIT: For spelling...but editing appears to wipe out the link somehow.
Didn't prevent him from trying to get them through. About 10% of his nominees were rated unqualified. About 8% of BC's, some of those actually getting through. Again, I'm sure you were highly concerned that they were even nominated.
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Lots of people looking for invites to the moron bucket ‘round here.
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Didn't prevent him from trying to get them through. About 10% of his nominees were rated unqualified. About 8% of BC's, some of those actually getting through. Again, I'm sure you were highly concerned that they were even nominated.
None of Obama's nominees were rated Non Qualified, unless you somehow change the definition to something other than the actual definition, as the article bizarrely tried to do.
But here is the point: Lighthouse bemoaned the fact that Not Qualified county judges can get elected in Cook county. I pointed out we have much more serious issue at the Federal level where such nominees are being handed lifetime appointments, by people (Senators) that should presumably know better than common voters. The fact is, they fully understand the implications, which is why they are shoving them through.
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This thread's really going places.
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This. Not an attack at all.
Apparently, calling jockey a snowflake is also not an attack.
You absolutely know - as does almost everyone on this board - that the two words "George Soros" are a Fox News right-wing dog whistle. If all you guys wanna plead ignorance, I will have no trouble agreeing.
My bigger point, however, is that it is interesting that anytime I, or 82, or Muta, or a couple others make any reference to politics, even peripherally, we hear from the mods. For others? It's a little different.
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You absolutely know - as does almost everyone on this board - that the two words "George Soros" are a Fox News right-wing dog whistle. If all you guys wanna plead ignorance, I will have no trouble agreeing.
My bigger point, however, is that it is interesting that anytime I, or 82, or Muta, or a couple others make any reference to politics, even peripherally, we hear from the mods. For others? It's a little different.
^^^ ban dis gf-individual
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None of Obama's nominees were rated Non Qualified, unless you somehow change the definition to something other than the actual definition, as the article bizarrely tried to do.
But here is the point: Lighthouse bemoaned the fact that Not Qualified county judges can get elected in Cook county. I pointed out we have much more serious issue at the Federal level where such nominees are being handed lifetime appointments, by people (Senators) that should presumably know better than common voters. The fact is, they fully understand the implications, which is why they are shoving them through.
All I was saying is that on the state level, when voters are choosing whether they should be retained or not, most judges will get retained. Throw in the fact that it's Cook County, a democrat judge is almost always going to get retained. When Cynthia Brim can get retained, anyone can get retained.
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All I was saying is that on the state level, when voters are choosing whether they should be retained or not, most judges will get retained. Throw in the fact that it's Cook County, a democrat judge is almost always going to get retained. When Cynthia Brim can get retained, anyone can get retained.
And if republic Jonathan Kobes can get nominated and confirmed by the Senate-- presumably a more rigorous and thoughtful process than a popular vote--anyone can become a Federal judge with a lifetime appointment.
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You absolutely know - as does almost everyone on this board - that the two words "George Soros" are a Fox News right-wing dog whistle. If all you guys wanna plead ignorance, I will have no trouble agreeing.
My bigger point, however, is that it is interesting that anytime I, or 82, or Muta, or a couple others make any reference to politics, even peripherally, we hear from the mods. For others? It's a little different.
Derangement exists on both sides of the aisle.... just replace Soros with Koch and right with left.
IOW, you can’t play the victim when you’re a cog of the the two-party autocracy.
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Derangement exists on both sides of the aisle.... just replace Soros with Koch and right with left.
IOW, you can’t play the victim when you’re a cog of the the two-party autocracy.
Your sense of proportion is lacking.
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Your sense of proportion is lacking.
You dont live in Wisconsin then. Koch brothers are still to blame for everything here.
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You dont live in Wisconsin then. Koch brothers are still to blame for everything here.
Except for everything that is Fox Conn's fault.
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Things go better with koch
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Derangement exists on both sides of the aisle.... just replace Soros with Koch and right with left.
I have no argument with that. Has nothing to do with the point of my original post, however.
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It took 5 pages and a much longer time then I expected... but in b4 lock
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City sued Mr. Smollett today for not paying the reimbursement. Suburban police chiefs vote no confidence in Kim Foxx. Calls for a special prosecutor to investigate. This story will have legs for some time.
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City sued Mr. Smollett today for not paying the reimbursement. Suburban police chiefs vote no confidence in Kim Foxx. Calls for a special prosecutor to investigate. This story will have legs for some time.
Agreed. The Daily Caller will generate ungodly amounts of ad revenue by never letting it go. It will be in the subject line of racist grandpa chain emails following FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: for decades to come. I can't wait!
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Agreed. The Daily Caller will generate ungodly amounts of ad revenue by never letting it go. It will be in the subject line of racist grandpa chain emails following FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: for decades to come. I can't wait!
And Chico’s will bring it into every discussion about race here on Scoop for years to come.
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City sued Mr. Smollett today for not paying the reimbursement. Suburban police chiefs vote no confidence in Kim Foxx. Calls for a special prosecutor to investigate. This story will have legs for some time.
Will this coincide with the investigation into the oranges? Or is this all the same thing.
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You absolutely know - as does almost everyone on this board - that the two words "George Soros" are a Fox News right-wing dog whistle. If all you guys wanna plead ignorance, I will have no trouble agreeing.
My bigger point, however, is that it is interesting that anytime I, or 82, or Muta, or a couple others make any reference to politics, even peripherally, we hear from the mods. For others? It's a little different.
Where in the gosh darn heck is that guy from the small school up there near lambeau filed? Ok, I’ll do it-
Give me a V an I a C a T an I an M
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And Chico’s will bring it into every discussion about race here on Scoop for years to come.
I haven’t said a word about it in a week
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Agreed. The Daily Caller will generate ungodly amounts of ad revenue by never letting it go. It will be in the subject line of racist grandpa chain emails following FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: for decades to come. I can't wait!
Chicago Tribune and Sun Times are not the Daily Caller. This is a nasty case with both sides not yielding.
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seems to be some type of privilege here, but i can't quite put my finger on it. all i know is if i tried to pull something like this, i'd be in the cross-bars motel and paying back more than "reparations" to the city of chicago
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Video released in last few days show Mr. Smollett still had the rope around his neck while at his home when the police arrived. Potential new charges could be brought by special prosecutor. A judge has also made a ruling that Ms. Fox's actions were inappropriate. Will justice be served here?
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Video released in last few days show Mr. Smollett still had the rope around his neck while at his home when the police arrived. Potential new charges could be brought by special prosecutor. A judge has also made a ruling that Ms. Fox's actions were inappropriate. Will justice be served here?
Can't start lettin' black people get away with stuff. Thanks for reminding us all of that.
If this post doesn't prove that Dad is chico, nothing ever will.
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Can't start lettin' black people get away with stuff. Thanks for reminding us all of that.
If this post doesn't prove that Dad is chico, nothing ever will.
Can't be chicos. He likes the Cubs. Duh.
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I know I won't feel safe until Jussie is locked up.
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Video released in last few days show Mr. Smollett still had the rope around his neck while at his home when the police arrived. Potential new charges could be brought by special prosecutor. A judge has also made a ruling that Ms. Fox's actions were inappropriate. Will justice be served here?
Thanks Chicos
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I know I won't feel safe until Jussie is locked up.
A LOT of police hours taken up here. when do you suppose we should start enforcing the law? when this actually does happen to someone? maybe have the jess-ster should meet face to face with those this has ACTUALLY happened to. not cool when ya have that privilege of knowing someone who knows someone who knows mickey, eyn'a?
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Can't start lettin' black people get away with stuff. Thanks for reminding us all of that.
If this post doesn't prove that Dad is chico, nothing ever will.
I had completely forgotten about this case until I saw it pop up on the super bar. Thought I'd check in on a prediction I made a few short months ago:
Agreed. The Daily Caller will generate ungodly amounts of ad revenue by never letting it go. It will be in the subject line of racist grandpa chain emails following FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: for decades to come. I can't wait!
https://dailycaller.com/buzz/jussie-smollett
Thanks Chicos! Love 2 be proven right.
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Can't start lettin' black people get away with stuff. Thanks for reminding us all of that.
If this post doesn't prove that Dad is chico, nothing ever will.
Wrong.
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Can't be chicos. He likes the Cubs. Duh.
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I like Maddon having worked with him for two years, but not a Cubs fan. I get my struggles with the Halos.
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I like Maddon having worked with him for two years, but not a Cubs fan. I get my struggles with the Halos.
Did you forget which account of yours I was referring to? I was quoting someone talking about your WarrirosDad account, which is the Cubs fan account. That's the point, your chicos account is the Angels fan, while the WarriorsDad account is the Cubs fan, hence WarriorsDad couldn't be chicos.
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Did you forget which account of yours I was referring to? I was quoting someone talking about your WarrirosDad account, which is the Cubs fan account. That's the point, your chicos account is the Angels fan, while the WarriorsDad account is the Cubs fan, hence WarriorsDad couldn't be chicos.
Nope, because I am not him, or Billy, or any of the other nonsensical accusations here. Didn't forget a thing. Good try though. Charity contributions to prove you, Lenny and others wrong. Billy has already publicly said he will do it. I'm sure the others you've accuse me of being would be up for it (I would hope, money for charity).
Let's do it.
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Nope, because I am not him, or Billy, or any of the other nonsensical accusations here. Didn't forget a thing. Good try though. Charity contributions to prove you, Lenny and others wrong. Billy has already publicly said he will do it. I'm sure the others you've accuse me of being would be up for it (I would hope, money for charity).
Let's do it.
I guess I simply don't understand why you felt the need to respond to a post where I defend a poster that you are not...
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Oh good, it's been a while since I've seen an internet pissing match. ::)
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A LOT of police hours taken up here. when do you suppose we should start enforcing the law? when this actually does happen to someone? maybe have the jess-ster should meet face to face with those this has ACTUALLY happened to. not cool when ya have that privilege of knowing someone who knows someone who knows mickey, eyn'a?
The guy has lost his job, his dignity, millions of dollars in current and future earnings, and quite possibly his career.
That feels like justice for a minor, nonviolent offense.
Spendings hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to try the guy so that he can end up paying a trivial fine and serving a couple of years or probation serves no public benefit (except, I suppose, robbing Fox News of easy content).
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NM (I know, I know...wrong thread)
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The guy has lost his job, his dignity, millions of dollars in current and future earnings, and quite possibly his career.
That feels like justice for a minor, nonviolent offense.
Spendings hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to try the guy so that he can end up paying a trivial fine and serving a couple of years or probation serves no public benefit (except, I suppose, robbing Fox News of easy content).
I think the whole reason for the stunt was that he feared not getting those million dollars in future earnings unless he got a publicity boost, so I don't know if he lost that. Good chance he'll end up going the reality TV route and eke out a living that way. I see both sides of the argument about whether to prosecute him. The real reason to go after him IMO is to deter future attempts at this sort of thing, not necessarily to punish this particular individual. You have to weigh whether that goal is worth the cost or not. I wouldn't be too bent out of shape either way.
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I guess I simply don't understand why you felt the need to respond to a post where I defend a poster that you are not...
Uhm, because you mentioned me in the post. Did you forget? You said can’t be Chicos, he likes the Cubs or something like that. Whether you wrote it to me or not, you brought me up and that’s why I responded to you. Not sure how that is odd to you in any fashion.
If I wrote a post to someone other than you but said Wadesworld beats his wife, or Wadesworld is a closet Cubs fan or even Wadesworld is the greatest dude on the planet, I suspect you would respond because you were brought up in the post. No different here.
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The guy has lost his job, his dignity, millions of dollars in current and future earnings, and quite possibly his career.
That feels like justice for a minor, nonviolent offense.
Spendings hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to try the guy so that he can end up paying a trivial fine and serving a couple of years or probation serves no public benefit (except, I suppose, robbing Fox News of easy content).
Is false reporting of crimes ok and having police go on wild goose chases? He still hasn’t admitted it. Why is it that the chief of police or whatever title he has there was up in arms demanding justice? Or for that matter, the mayor? Seems some corruption in the DA’s office needs to be addressed, too. The guy has hardly suffered as you outline and I have no doubt in my mind a big fluffy role is probably coming his way. Not cool to do what he did to the men and women of Chicago police the way he did...in my opinion. Perhaps if he came clean and apologized to all that would heal the scars.
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Uhm, because you mentioned me in the post. Did you forget? You said can’t be Chicos, he likes the Cubs or something like that. Whether you wrote it to me or not, you brought me up and that’s why I responded to you. Not sure how that is odd to you in any fashion.
If I wrote a post to someone other than you but said Wadesworld beats his wife, or Wadesworld is a closet Cubs fan or even Wadesworld is the greatest dude on the planet, I suspect you would respond because you were brought up in the post. No different here.
Reading comprehension is helpful. The post I quoted was about WarriorDad. Hence why I said he's a Cubs fan, because he has told us all many times that he is. So, once again, I'm not sure why you're protesting this.
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Could the two of you go back to your mother's basements and troll elsewhere.
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Uhm, because you mentioned me in the post.
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Reading comprehension is helpful. The post I quoted was about WarriorDad. Hence why I said he's a Cubs fan, because he has told us all many times that he is. So, once again, I'm not sure why you're protesting this.
The quote you posted https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58483.msg1141071#msg1141071 mentioned me, did it not? Says Chicos in there, correct? That's why I responded with the ??????
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Aaaahhh. I've had enough. In this post, I'm not joking. There are several people who post regularly on this site that I honestly believe are in need of professional psychological assistance. I'm just an engineer so I couldn't diagnose them but I'm fairly confident the word paranoid would be one of the words in the diagnosis.
I'm intentionally not specifying who so I don't have to take a "side". I constantly go back and forth between annoyance and pity when reading some threads. I suppose the fact that I keep coming back might mean I should seek help.
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The quote you posted https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58483.msg1141071#msg1141071 mentioned me, did it not? Says Chicos in there, correct? That's why I responded with the ??????
So you read my post as “Chicos can’t be chicos. Chicos is a Cubs fan. Duh.”
Well, I guess that’s one way to read it lol.
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Good lord...
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Aaaahhh. I've had enough. In this post, I'm not joking. There are several people who post regularly on this site that I honestly believe are in need of professional psychological assistance. I'm just an engineer so I couldn't diagnose them but I'm fairly confident the word paranoid would be one of the words in the diagnosis.
I'm intentionally not specifying who so I don't have to take a "side". I constantly go back and forth between annoyance and pity when reading some threads. I suppose the fact that I keep coming back might mean I should seek help.
I enjoyed it for like a year. Then it got to the point where I think they actually have severe problems.
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you know whats just as annoying as the constant bickering of some posters? the posters who constantly complain about the constant bickering of some posters when theres a freaking ignore button option.
“i really really hate reading these guys bickering back and forth. so much so that instead of using the ignore option i have available to me im going to psychoanalyze people based on their internet trolling and never having met them and even claim theyre retarded!”
never stop being you and telling everyone else “you need help.” the best kinds of people.
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you know whats just as annoying as the constant bickering of some posters? the posters who constantly complain about the constant bickering of some posters when theres a freaking ignore button option.
“i really really hate reading these guys bickering back and forth. so much so that instead of using the ignore option i have available to me im going to psychoanalyze people based on their internet trolling and never having met them and even claim theyre retarded!”
never stop being you and telling everyone else “you need help.” the best kinds of people.
The problem lies where there's an entire page of "ignored posts". Now if sccop banned people from posting in threads started by people who have them on ignore, I'd be down.
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you know what’s more annoying than the people who constantly complain about the constant bickering of some posters?
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The guy has lost his job, his dignity, millions of dollars in current and future earnings, and quite possibly his career.
That feels like justice for a minor, nonviolent offense.
Spendings hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to try the guy so that he can end up paying a trivial fine and serving a couple of years or probation serves no public benefit (except, I suppose, robbing Fox News of easy content).
can't find my violin, but it also revealed some issues CPD has with the DA's office too
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So you read my post as “Chicos can’t be chicos. Chicos is a Cubs fan. Duh.”
Well, I guess that’s one way to read it lol.
I read it as you mentioning my name and I still cannot understand why you would be surprised I responded since you did. Normal reaction.
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So you read my post as “Chicos can’t be chicos. Chicos is a Cubs fan. Duh.”
Well, I guess that’s one way to read it lol.
You are wrong that your post was clear that the subject of both of your statements was WarriorDad.
Queue the response "where did I ever say both my statements were clear that the subject was WarriorDad?" because you are never wrong.
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You are wrong that your post was clear that the subject of both of your statements was WarriorDad.
Queue the response "where did I ever say both my statements were clear that the subject was WarriorDad?" because you are never wrong.
Your words.
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Crean sucks
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Can't start lettin' black people get away with stuff. Thanks for reminding us all of that.
If this post doesn't prove that Dad is chico, nothing ever will.
This is one of several reasons staying away from here has been more the norm for me since the offseason. This is an important story in the Chicagoland area. My concerns with it are from those close to me in law enforcement here. I said back in April the story would persist and it has. Your racial commentary doesn't deserve a response.
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This is one of several reasons staying away from here has been more the norm for me since the offseason. This is an important story in the Chicagoland area. My concerns with it are from those close to me in law enforcement here. I said back in April the story would persist and it has. Your racial commentary doesn't deserve a response.
But in the chico tradition, you did anyway :-\
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I'm out. Deleting the shortcuts on my phone for Scoop to break my habit.
12 year olds would look sideways at you guys for being such jackasses over and over and over about the same stupid $@&.
I no longer hope you guys see the light. I hope you stay as completely unbearable as you are now.
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I'm out. Deleting the shortcuts on my phone for Scoop to break my habit.
12 year olds would look sideways at you guys for being such jackasses over and over and over about the same stupid $@&.
I no longer hope you guys see the light. I hope you stay as completely unbearable as you are now.
Don't leave me Bae. You won't like the outside world.
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I'm out. Deleting the shortcuts on my phone for Scoop to break my habit.
12 year olds would look sideways at you guys for being such jackasses over and over and over about the same stupid $@&.
I no longer hope you guys see the light. I hope you stay as completely unbearable as you are now.
probably the right thing to do if it gets you this worked up.
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