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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Goose on March 24, 2019, 10:06:15 AM
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Curious to hear folks thoughts on the leadership of our program. If, and I say if, Wojo would leave for another job over the next couple of weeks, is MU prepared for new search? Do you think they always have a short list of candidates in case of emergency need? Do you think they are asleep at the switch? Do you think they had inkling of a possible Woj departure or caught by surprise?
I think these are all fair questions to ask of the guys controlling the destiny of the program. Curious on what others know or feel on the topic.
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I think the answer is none of us know. Has our current AD had to make any hires? Wojo, Krieger and Amplo were all in place?
Would be interesting to find out.
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Curious to hear folks thoughts on the leadership of our program. If, and I say if, Wojo would leave for another job over the next couple of weeks, is MU prepared for new search? Do you think they always have a short list of candidates in case of emergency need? Do you think they are asleep at the switch? Do you think they had inkling of a possible Woj departure or caught by surprise?
I think these are all fair questions to ask of the guys controlling the destiny of the program. Curious on what others know or feel on the topic.
Have no way of knowing what leadership is thinking, but they should always have a short list of available candidates, and also have contacts out there in the basketball world that can find other interested candidates quickly.
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Willie
Agreed. I always get nervous we get caught with our pants down. Several of our best hires were identified and courted under the radar and that should not be the case. Hope they have a list together in case it is needed.
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We have seen this before with TC and Buzz, is wojo just looking for more money?
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We have seen this before with TC and Buzz, is wojo just looking for more money?
If he really wants unlv, it’s got to be Oats or bust....
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Willie
Agreed. I always get nervous we get caught with our pants down. Several of our best hires were identified and courted under the radar and that should not be the case. Hope they have a list together in case it is needed.
Twice in a row now we have been caught with our pants down.
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Twice in a row now we have been caught with our pants down.
For the past five years, the narrative spun by many around here has been that the administration somehow forced Buzz out. Now you're telling us they were "caught with their pants down" when he left.
How can both be possible? They forced him out ... then were shocked to learn he was gone? Hmmm.
I would strongly suspect that they were caught with their pants down on neither occasion.
If a bunch of idiots on a fan forum can catch wind of speculation that a coach may be talking with another program, you can pretty much guarantee that an AD - you know, someone with actual connections in the industry and not wannabe insiders on message board - has heard the same.
It would be stunning to me if Scholl didn't have a list of potential candidates committed to memory.
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They were prepared for Buzz departure.
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There is a short list every AD has for key sports positions. Search firms are utilized, too.
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I’m confused. Is Wojo thinking about leaving?
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I’m confused. Is Wojo thinking about leaving?
A Seton Hall message board started the rumor & some are running with it.
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There is a short list every AD has for key sports positions. Search firms are utilized, too.
I would hope they wouldn’t go with a search firm. IMO, a waste of money and, in cases like Todd Turner’ firm, way too much COI when hiring.
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Twice in a row now we have been caught with our pants down.
Care to explain
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A Seton Hall message board started the rumor & some are running with it.
Actually it started on the National Rivals board and others picked up on it. All are pretty flimsy.
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Willie
Agreed. I always get nervous we get caught with our pants down. Several of our best hires were identified and courted under the radar and that should not be the case. Hope they have a list together in case it is needed.
Unfortunately, Bill Cords isn't walking back thru that door...The AD came from a mid major, so guess where he'd probably look for the next Head Coach?? :(
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The rumor is Wojo to UNLV? Or just that he wants out?
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I would hope they wouldn’t go with a search firm. IMO, a waste of money and, in cases like Todd Turner’ firm, way too much COI when hiring.
You more than I do on this, who is Todd Turner? Search firms are used for corporations to place executives and they have a hit or miss like anyone else.
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Unfortunately, Bill Cords isn't walking back thru that door...The AD came from a mid major, so guess where he'd probably look for the next Head Coach?? :(
The AD was at Notre Dame for 23 years, spending the last three as the number 2 in their department.
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You more than I do on this, who is Todd Turner? Search firms are used for corporations to place executives and they have a hit or miss like anyone else.
Toff Turner is the old AD at Vandy and Washington (fired at both) who now runs a highly used search firm. 3 of Goodman’s 10 worst hires of the decade were Turner hires. The most notable Stallings at Pitt. As fir COI, he had hired Stallings to Vandy and his former deputy at UW, was the AD at Pitt.
https://watchstadium.com/news/the-10-worst-college-basketball-coaching-hires-this-decade-03-07-2019/
My opinion is that the AD should run the search, they know what the department is all about more than anyone else.
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While I don't think Wojo is going anywhere, let's say for this discussion Wojo does take another job and leaves. My initial reaction would be that administration, while satisfied with what Wojo has done between recruiting, professional representation of the program, fan interest and multiple 20-win seasons, would feel like there was a sense of unmet expectations (especially if Howard does, in fact, leave, without ever winning a game in the tournament). To be clear, March success is not the only indicator of whether a coach is successful or not, but the way the last month of the season has gone, can definitely be labeled a red flag IMO.
Thus, when administrators have the opportunity to hire a new coach, coming off of a sour ending to the season and that sense of unmet expectations, I feel like they regularly hire an opposing-style head coach. For example, if you hired a young assistant that did not pan out, then you would go and get a proven head coach. If you the former coach was older and passive, then you would hire the young and energetic coach. Going off of that, I would guess that for the first time in a long time, Marquette would look to hire an experienced head coach, if given the opportunity in the near-future.
From that criteria, I would think that Matt McMahon, Nate Oats, Porter Moser, and Brian Wardle would all be considered. There's little chance a standing B1G/Big 12/SEC/ACC head coach would come over. There's always the chance of Stan/Brett getting the opportunity, as would Travis Diener (since that is the current trend within the Big East).
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While I don't think Wojo is going anywhere, let's say for this discussion Wojo does take another job and leaves. My initial reaction would be that administration, while satisfied with what Wojo has done between recruiting, professional representation of the program, fan interest and multiple 20-win seasons, would feel like there was a sense of unmet expectations (especially if Howard does, in fact, leave, without ever winning a game in the tournament). To be clear, March success is not the only indicator of whether a coach is successful or not, but the way the last month of the season has gone, can definitely be labeled a red flag IMO.
Thus, when administrators have the opportunity to hire a new coach, coming off of a sour ending to the season and that sense of unmet expectations, I feel like they regularly hire an opposing-style head coach. For example, if you hired a young assistant that did not pan out, then you would go and get a proven head coach. If you the former coach was older and passive, then you would hire the young and energetic coach. Going off of that, I would guess that for the first time in a long time, Marquette would look to hire an experienced head coach, if given the opportunity in the near-future.
From that criteria, I would think that Matt McMahon, Nate Oats, Porter Moser, and Brian Wardle would all be considered. There's little chance a standing B1G/Big 12/SEC/ACC head coach would come over. There's always the chance of Stan/Brett getting the opportunity, as would Travis Diener (since that is the current trend within the Big East).
What has Porter Moses done in his career? Same for Brian Wardle? It feels to me that each NCAA tournament schools jump on the guy that makes some run over the course of 10 days, and 3 to 5 years later they are firing that coach.
If the current fanbase is not happy with Wojo, why would they be with Stan? Isn't he an assistant coach that participates in game planning, strategy, recruiting?
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A Seton Hall message board started the rumor & some are running with it.
Found it. This message by one of their members struck me, they recognize fans are idiots everywhere:
If you think Willard has it rough from some of our idiotic fans, it’s nothing compared to the hatred the Marquette fans have for Wojo. The collapse to end this year was just the straw that broke the camels back.
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Highly doubt Wojo to UNLV, but when you have our fanbase anything is possible. It would look like he is running away, not a good look for his career.
But whatever, a lot of dominoes are going to fall here anyway because Arizona, Kansas May have new coaches. Va Tech likely will, Texas next year, LSU this year. Anything can happen, if I were Wojo and wanted to escape, I wait to see the carnage over the next few weeks.
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They were prepared for Buzz departure.
Who was they? Overall, MU was in a very bad spot to hire. No AD. No President. A new conference. The Smart drama, especially with the #donedeal leak. A fracture with Strong in the middle of it. A new BOT head in the middle of it. Lovell wanting to get involved although not yet started. Doc floating in and out.
Did Cords and Broeker have a list? Yes, thank god but if it wasn’t for those two it would have been a complete shytshow.
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Toff Turner is the old AD at Vandy and Washington (fired at both) who now runs a highly used search firm. 3 of Goodman’s 10 worst hires of the decade were Turner hires. The most notable Stallings at Pitt. As fir COI, he had hired Stallings to Vandy and his former deputy at UW, was the AD at Pitt.
https://watchstadium.com/news/the-10-worst-college-basketball-coaching-hires-this-decade-03-07-2019/
My opinion is that the AD should run the search, they know what the department is all about more than anyone else.
How do other search firms perform? If this guy is as bad as you say, how does he stay in business? He must have some hits, too?
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Found it. This message by one of their members struck me, they recognize fans are idiots everywhere:
If you think Willard has it rough from some of our idiotic fans, it’s nothing compared to the hatred the Marquette fans have for Wojo. The collapse to end this year was just the straw that broke the camels back.
Has anyone put a For Sale sign in Wojo’s front yard like the Hall fans did? That was pretty funny.
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Twice in a row now we have been caught with our pants down.
Strange, Wojo was caught with his pants down in 6 of his last 7 games.
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Unfortunately, Bill Cords isn't walking back thru that door...The AD came from a mid major, so guess where he'd probably look for the next Head Coach?? :(
So if not Mid Major, another assistant? Or do you expect MU to steal a high major coach from another school?
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From that criteria, I would think that Matt McMahon, Nate Oats, Porter Moser, and Brian Wardle would all be considered. There's little chance a standing B1G/Big 12/SEC/ACC head coach would come over. There's always the chance of Stan/Brett getting the opportunity, as would Travis Diener (since that is the current trend within the Big East).
Dear God ... enough with the Porter Moses nonsense. Outside of one magical tourney run, he's done absolutely nothing in 15 years as a head coach to merit even a sniff at the MU job.
And the history of hiring coaches because of one big tourney run isn't exactly sterling (see: Andy Enfield, Stan Heath, Jim Groce, Dan Monson, etc.).
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Highly doubt Wojo to UNLV, but when you have our fanbase anything is possible. It would look like he is running away, not a good look for his career.
But whatever, a lot of dominoes are going to fall here anyway because Arizona, Kansas May have new coaches. Va Tech likely will, Texas next year, LSU this year. Anything can happen, if I were Wojo and wanted to escape, I wait to see the carnage over the next few weeks.
Kansas! Where the hell does that come from?
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How do other search firms perform? If this guy is as bad as you say, how does he stay in business? He must have some hits, too?
Fogler’s has misses too. But, college sports at the highest levels is rather incestuous. They take care of their own. Very much an old boys network.
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Why in the hell would he go to a lesser school in a lesser conference,unless he was asked to leave?
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Kansas! Where the hell does that come from?
The FBI
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Has anyone put a For Sale sign in Wojo’s front yard like the Hall fans did? That was pretty funny.
Kevin O'Neill made that statement at the 100th celebration, sounds like a coach's fable more than anything.
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Kansas! Where the hell does that come from?
Bill Self cheated and caught on FBI tapes, that’s where it comes from. We will see what happens.
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Bill Self cheated and caught on FBI tapes, that’s where it comes from. We will see what happens.
Thanks. Did not know they have Self on tape. That is sure under the radar. Why hasn't Kansas done something already. If it is on tape I would still be surprised if Kansas does anything. And the NCAA you are right, we'll see how that goes. Maybe by 2025 they will get around to it, by the time Self has retired.
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Let me tell you how it works. If Wojo is getting canned the AD picks up the phone first and places a call to Korn Ferry and begins the search process.
If Wojo leaves, the AD will pick up the phone and call Korn Ferry which initiates the search process.
At both PepsiCo and GE we used Korn Ferry and Spencer Stuart. They are discreet and professional.
Within a week of retaining the search there will be a list of candidates. This is hardly rocket science. And for the University administration it is pretty painless. The fees are steep but it's big business.
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Our short list and long should be Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger and Tony Bennett.
Enough of this learning on the job nonsense. We supposedly have the best of everything in men's basketball, it is time our coaching reflected the rest of our commitment to men's hoops.
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Our short list and long should be Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger and Tony Bennett.
Enough of this learning on the job nonsense. We supposedly have the best of everything in men's basketball, it is time our coaching reflected the rest of our commitment to men's hoops.
Now that makes me laugh.
Sampson dirty at two different programs.
Bennett already said no, not a chance in hell this ever happens.
Kruger lost in a Final Four game by more than Crean did and you and others destroy Crean for that as one of the mortal sins of life.
Besides, none of them are leaving warm weather at their age to come to Milwaukee. Not a single one of them.
So what assistants do you have on your list since that seems to be the only ones we hire.
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Our short list and long should be Tony Bennett.
"Well I'll be goddamned! You guys really want me as your coach?"
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Kansas! Where the hell does that come from?
A good friend of mine who is also a big KU booster told me he is unsure of Self's future.
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Dear God ... enough with the Porter Moses nonsense. Outside of one magical tourney run, he's done absolutely nothing in 15 years as a head coach to merit even a sniff at the MU job.
And the history of hiring coaches because of one big tourney run isn't exactly sterling (see: Andy Enfield, Stan Heath, Jim Groce, Dan Monson, etc.).
Moser has successfully taken Loyola from the Horizon to the top of the Valley, is a strong recruiter, is a disciple of Rick Majerus and has worked at Creighton, Saint Louis and Loyola (all Jesuit institutions, which the admin would love).
Not saying he would definitely be hired at all. But to say that he wouldn't even be considered as a candidate is short-sighted and foolish.
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The Lens
I am very good with your list.
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The Lens
I am very good with your list.
Well Goose apparently we can have the best of everything in facilities and program management but we have to settle for entry level on coaches.
God forbid we hire a guy away from Norman, OK or get a guy who sent too many text messages.
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Highly doubt Wojo to UNLV, but when you have our fanbase anything is possible. It would look like he is running away, not a good look for his career.
Our fanbase is small and tame as hell compared to a lot of other programs. And yet those coaches seem to be able to deal with it.
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Our fanbase is small and tame as hell compared to a lot of other programs. And yet those coaches seem to be able to deal with it.
So true.
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Well Goose apparently we can have the best of everything in facilities and program management but we have to settle for entry level on coaches.
God forbid we hire a guy away from Norman, OK or get a guy who sent too many text messages.
Name the last high major coach we lured away. We have tried, and tried, and tried.
Hey, I would love it. I have been against the assistant thing here for years. Too big a risk, takes too long to see what you have, if they are good they leave, if not good we push them out. I’d much rather have a finished product, but it hasn’t happened in decades if forever depending on one’s classification of high major....which UVA and OU are.
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A good friend of mine who is also a big KU booster told me he is unsure of Self's future.
I’m still waiting for you to produce the names of people who said FSU was lucky to win against MSU and we were unlucky to lose against MSU.
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If the UNLV rumors are true it tells me Wojo is jumping before being pushed so I’d expect those getting ready to push to be prepared with a plan.
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The Lens
I am very good with your list.
So am I. I’d also like to add some super models to my list to date in the event I should not be married.
In both cases, the lists aren’t happening.
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Our fanbase is small and tame as hell compared to a lot of other programs. And yet those coaches seem to be able to deal with it.
There are certain programs you don’t leave.
Let’s just say this, if Wojo left for a UNLV it would just be another stamp on the stepping stone...I would perition for a nickname change to MU Stones as the official mascot. We could schedule Slippery Rock University and have some fun.
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There are certain programs you don’t leave.
Let’s just say this, if Wojo left for a UNLV it would just be another stamp on the stepping stone...I would perition for a nickname change to MU Stones as the official mascot. We could schedule Slippery Rock University and have some fun.
No it wouldn’t. It would suggest Wojo jumped before being pushed.
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No it wouldn’t. It would suggest Wojo jumped before being pushed.
No one is suggesting he is going to be pushed except for some MU fans that are in the fetal position rocking back and forth.
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No one is suggesting he is going to be pushed except for some MU fans that are in the fetal position rocking back and forth.
In the hypothetical scenario that you referenced that would not indicate MU is a stepping stone job. It would indicate Wojo jumped before he was pushed. And that’s what national perception would be. You don’t use a “stepping stone” job to step down to a lower tier
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You don’t use a “stepping stone” job to step down to a lower tier
Buzz did.
But to the original point, as keefe said, MU is prepared. It just takes some phone calls. Schools that are willing to spend what MU does are always prepared.
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In the hypothetical scenario that you referenced that would not indicate MU is a stepping stone job. It would indicate Wojo jumped before he was pushed. And that’s what national perception would be. You don’t use a “stepping stone” job to step down to a lower tier
That's exactly what Buzzard did.
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The Lens
There is no doubt MU can lure away a big name. The biggest name they have chased in last few coaches was Shaka and they had big time chance of landing him. Everyone on here makes excuses, hard place to recruit to, can’t land a big name coach and the list goes on.
As for Crash’s post on being prepared, that is fine and dandy. Who is preparing the type of coach desired? What is their ball background? Hiring a search firm is only as good as the info they are provided.
I can say with 100% confidence, that the two best outside hires (KO and Crean) was done by an outside group that made it happen. Every other hire has been made in house and outside of Buzz, how did they work out?
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That's exactly what Buzzard did.
Was he not pushed?
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Nickel
While I love Cheeks as a poster, I do not believe he is already right. He is always steadfast in his posts.
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No doubt goose. I enjoy watching him chase his tail though.
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Was he not pushed?
He clashed with the AD. The AD was fired.
The new president tried to rein him in. The new president was ousted.
Does this sound like being pushed out?
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The Lens
There is no doubt MU can lure away a big name. The biggest name they have chased in last few coaches was Shaka and they had big time chance of landing him. Everyone on here makes excuses, hard place to recruit to, can’t land a big name coach and the list goes on.
As for Crash’s post on being prepared, that is fine and dandy. Who is preparing the type of coach desired? What is their ball background? Hiring a search firm is only as good as the info they are provided.
I can say with 100% confidence, that the two best outside hires (KO and Crean) was done by an outside group that made it happen. Every other hire has been made in house and outside of Buzz, how did they work out?
With all due respect, Shaka was a coach at a mid major. We have not come close to luring away a coach at a high level (non mid-major) coach. And I say this as someone that was excited with the idea of getting Shaka.
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Cheeks
Come on, Shaka was a big fish. Sometimes you like to argue for sake of arguing. For the record, if you did not think Shaka was a big fish, so be it.
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He clashed with the AD. The AD was fired.
The new president tried to rein him in. The new president was ousted.
Does this sound like being pushed out?
It’s safe to say the door was opened and no one stood in his way. Let’s not act like his departure was like Crean’s. Crean absolutely viewed and used MU as a stepping stone.
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We have not come close to luring away a coach at a high level (non mid-major) coach.
Cuonzo Martin practically begged for the job five years ago.
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Was he not pushed?
Nope. Were they accepting of the fact he left, yup. But he was not pushed. Now, the converted of the Messiah will say things like they made it so hard for him to succeed, he was effectively pushed out. Yes, we forced him to run an ethical program, not lie to his bosses, and better control his team....you know, really crazy stuff. ::)
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It’s safe to say the door was opened and no one stood in his way. Let’s not act like his departure was like Crean’s.
Let's not pretend that "no one stood in his way" is the same as "pushed out."
The school fired the AD, ousted the president and made all sorts of other accommodations for Buzz, and he still wanted out. At that point, the only reasonable move was to not stand in his ay.
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Nickel
While I love Cheeks as a poster, I do not believe he is already right. He is always steadfast in his posts.
Chico's Last Stand
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Let's not pretend that "no one stood in his way" is the same as "pushed out."
The school fired the AD, ousted the president and made all sorts of other accommodations for Buzz, and he still wanted out. At that point, the only reasonable move was to not stand in his ay.
We’re too far down this rabbit hole so just to reset and re-establish the point; cheeks says Wojo going to UNLV would indicate MU is a stepping stone. I said it would indicate he jumped before he was pushed. This has nothing to do with Buzz and getting into a drawn out semantical debate sounds...lame
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I bet Marquette extends Wojo’s contract in the next two weeks.
He is the clean cut coach they want. He’s getting it recruits and good kids.
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Cheeks
I might not know sh1t about MU ball, but I do know you are wrong in regards to Buzz’s departure. Was Buzz told a year before he left that MU would not stop him from exploring other options?
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Nope. Were they accepting of the fact he left, yup. But he was not pushed. Now, the converted of the Messiah will say things like they made it so hard for him to succeed, he was effectively pushed out. Yes, we forced him to run an ethical program, not lie to his bosses, and better control his team....you know, really crazy stuff. ::)
See above; semantics. He didn’t leave because he viewed it as career progression. It’s a wayside to a destination job. It doesn’t reflect on MU being a stepping stone in any way just like Wojo going to UNLV wouldn’t.
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Cheeks
Come on, Shaka was a big fish. Sometimes you like to argue for sake of arguing. For the record, if you did not think Shaka was a big fish, so be it.
In name, yes....but as we have seen, not exactly lighting the world on fire at a program that he should be lighting the world on fire with. This is my problem with this approach we keep doing. We keep hiring "top assistants", but they have to prove themselves. Or, go after top mid majors, who also have to prove themselves at the highest level. It certainly can work, no one is suggesting otherwise, but it's always a long wait and see.
I agree completely with you that Shaka was a big name, and again I was very excited by it and fully supportive of it....but we never have been able to get a PROVEN head coach from a major DI program. That's all I'm saying.
Look, I love Len's list. Love it. I'm pragmatic and know that it is never going to happen, but I will gladly eat crow if it does.
The landscape is littered with very good mid major coaches with big fish names that don't make it, and plenty that do. From Monson to Minnesota from Gonzaga,
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Cheeks
Come on, Shaka was a big fish. Sometimes you like to argue for sake of arguing. For the record, if you did not think Shaka was a big fish, so be it.
I agree. Shaka was a hot name back then. You are exactly right.
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I bet Marquette extends Wojo’s contract in the next two weeks.
He is the clean cut coach they want. He’s getting it recruits and good kids.
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Nickel
Cheeks always plays semantics. He is partially correct on Buzz’s departure. Only lacking telling the whole story.
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As Pakuni pointed out Cuonzo is another
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That's exactly what Buzzard did.
No...he went to the best conference in the country...whether the school's program was down or not, he improved his conference, and he's holding his own just fine in case you haven't been paying attention.
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Cheeks
I might not know sh1t about MU ball, but I do know you are wrong in regards to Buzz’s departure. Was Buzz told a year before he left that MU would not stop him from exploring other options?
First, never said anything of the kind about your knowledge of MU ball...I think you know a ton.
Second, Buzz was told a number of things, some of which he followed and some of which he didn't....and that was also part of the problem.
I'll leave you with this....these are Buzz's words. We all know the famous I'll be here as long as they'll have me. But he also said he wasn't going to change, but he did. If he hadn't changed, didn't become the "power hungry" guy he said he wouldn't, then things would have been fine. Why do people ignore BUZZ's actions is beyond me. He said he would refuse to let it change him....too bad he was wrong.
Buzz's words
"Here's the thing: My title has changed. My W-2 has changed. But my heart hasn't changed," he said. "This is a business that's full of egos, full of media-savvy people, full of exposure, full of money, and a lot of time that changes people. I don't want my title, I don't want my income to ever change who I am.
"I understand the evolution of how coaches change and how the media and the power hungriness of it all changes people. But I refuse to let it change me. I know I'll get older and I'll handle it better, I hope, but I don't ever want to change what I believe in my heart to be right.
"I'll be here as long as they'll have me here."
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Cheeks
If Buzz had run a cleaner program, been a better employee and followed the rules he would never have been given new rules to follow. Really don’t care anymore, but he was not discouraged on looking for new employment and that was a year before he left.
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Nickel
Cheeks always plays semantics. He is partially correct on Buzz’s departure. Only lacking telling the whole story.
Didn't MU significantly lower the buyout amount in Buzz's contract?
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Cheeks
If Buzz had run a cleaner program, been a better employee and followed the rules he would never have been given new rules to follow. Really don’t care anymore, but he was not discouraged on looking for new employment and that was a year before he left.
I agree, he was not discouraged and he also had many years left on his contract after MU gave him a 7 year extension in 2011, a few months before all the fun came out and our AD resigned, etc, etc. MU put a lot of trust and commitment with Buzz. He changed.
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I agree, he was not discouraged and he also had many years left on his contract after MU gave him a 7 year extension in 2011, a few months before all the fun came out and our AD resigned, etc, etc. MU put a lot of trust and commitment with Buzz. He changed.
So you agree Wojo going to UNLV would be a stronger indication that he jumped before being pushed than it would MU is a stepping stone job. Good, great, grand. Glad we had this talk.
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So you agree Wojo going to UNLV would be a stronger indication that he jumped before being pushed than it would MU is a stepping stone job. Good, great, grand. Glad we had this talk.
No, it would be another indication in a long indication and history of it that coaches come here to get fired or leave for what they think are better jobs....stepping stone to another gig.
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No, it would be another indication in a long indication and history of it that coaches come here to get fired or leave for what they think are better jobs....stepping stone to another gig.
Keep chasing that tail cheeks. Stay gold.
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Cheeks
I loved Buzz era and quality of players recruited and results on the court. That said, I did not fault the school for having serious concerns and suggested to him to look elsewhere. But, that is a big part of the story and cannot be glossed over. Whether he changed or just showed true colors, the fact remains the same, they did not want Buzz to hang around.
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Its always Prudent to have a Plan B in place and I am sure MU does. As well as Wojo has if Stan or other staff were to move.
Don't believe anyone here can give an absolute answer which is not 2nd 3rd etc. Source.
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Cuonzo Martin practically begged for the job five years ago.
As did Ben Howland.
Two guys who weren't unproven assistants or relatively unproven mid-major coaches ... and both desperately wanted the Marquette job.
But they also had baggage -- Howland big-time baggage -- as would those on The Lens' list.
There is 0.00% chance that a guy like Sampson would be offered the job by a school administration that has made it very plain they rank cleanliness right up there with godliness.
There is 0.00% chance that Tony Bennett would leave a place where he can coach (and has coached) the No. 1 team in the entire nation in the No. 1 league in the nation.
Kruger ... he's always looking for the next job. But leave Oklahoma for MU ... sounds like a stretch, so I'll put that chance at higher than 0.00%. Maybe 0.10%.
As for why Wojo would go to UNLV ... I assume the No. 1 reason would be $$$$. IIRC, that school has boosters who are willing to throw around big-time bucks. Another reason would be (as others have suggested) to get while the gettin' is good.
But I'll believe it happens when I see it happen. And in the unlikely event that it happens, I'll get a good chuckle out of all the names that Scoop speculates on.
Not sure why we should settle for Sampson, Bennett or Kruger ... why not Izzo or Few or Rivers or Stevens or Phil Jackson?
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Lon Kruger? Wasn't he the first coach to miss an NCAA tournament after making the Final Four the year before?
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Lon Kruger? Wasn't he the first coach to miss an NCAA tournament after making the Final Four the year before?
Before Crean?
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Lon Kruger? Wasn't he the first coach to miss an NCAA tournament after making the Final Four the year before?
No, it has happened a number of times, but posters here like to rant on it happening to Crean. I can't recall the number, but it has impacted a number of programs over the years. Louisville (twice...once because of vacancy), Oklahoma, NC State (twice), Butler, George Mason, Loyola Chicago, etc, if memory serves.
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Before Crean?
Wow, can't believe I missed that one. Thought I had heard that stat somewhere about Krueger. I wonder if it was first coach to miss in X number of years.
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Our short list and long should be Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger and Tony Bennett.
Enough of this learning on the job nonsense. We supposedly have the best of everything in men's basketball, it is time our coaching reflected the rest of our commitment to men's hoops.
I'm late to the party, but what the hell are you smoking?
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Long and Short of everything that has happened since Buzz left. MU isn’t going to pay players... We are who we are with a coach that is subject to those guidelines dictated by the Admin/BOT. Maybe the NCAA changes maybe they don’t but MU has drawn a line in the sand.
For better, for worse it is what it is. Many of us, myself included
get caught up in the day to day nonsense.
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Lon Kruger? Wasn't he the first coach to miss an NCAA tournament after making the Final Four the year before?
Another deeply humiliating night in the otherwise storied saga that is Marquette basketball.
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The AD was at Notre Dame for 23 years, spending the last three as the number 2 in their department.
Amazing how quickly history gets lost. And BTW he was hired with a mission. 1. Get rid of Buzz 2. Get a good deal from FOX
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Amazing how quickly history gets lost. And BTW he was hired with a mission. 1. Get rid of Buzz 2. Get a good deal from FOX
That was Larry Williams. I'm pretty sure Bill Scholl was hired after Buzz bailed.
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A Seton Hall message board started the rumor & some are running with it.
Scoopers do that?