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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: nyg on March 21, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
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I thought there was no way MSU would win this game based on their OVC schedule and probably their two star recruits. Yes, Morant was found late in high school. I also believed MU would come out and play with intensity, coming off a bad stretch of losses and getting a five seed in the tournament. So adamant, now I have to eat it....
Well, it just goes to show you what a player like Morant can do for a team and make them play like a team, not a two man show. Morant just got a triple double and the hype is very, very, deserving for the kid. Once he fills out, he will have an NBA body and will be very rich in a few months. Best player MU has faced this year.
The MU problem really effected them with the Georgetown loss. On senior night, at home, 11 point favorite, playing for BE title against a team that lost by 30 to DePaul two nights earlier. I truly believe a win that night and a share of BE title would have helped mentally.
Lots of discussion will happen tonight, reference changes, etc, so let it begin and hope some are civil.
Wojo, he stays
Markus, he stays, never make NBA, his chances down toilet last three weeks.
I say one guy transfer to like the University of Detroit
Kobe point guard next year, Sacar off bench, Joey hits weights. All good.
Congrats on making NCAAs, but big disappointment .
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Good take. Unlike most of the hot takes here.
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Congrats to Murray State. The better and tougher team won.
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Jay Avila’s wring I guess
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The problem wasn't losing to Georgetown. We have problems that caused us to lose to Georgetown, Seton Hall (2x), Nova, SJU, and MSU. One of those problems tends to wear a navy suit and is found pacing the sidelines.
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Where is arrogant tower with the match ups or crap shoot excuse? Just cant wait to here this garbage.
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Where is arrogant tower with the match ups or crap shoot excuse? Just cant wait to here this garbage.
? Tower is one of the most balanced posters here.
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? Tower is one of the most balanced posters here.
But Johnny’s not.
Thanks for coming Johnny. Drive home safely.
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Agree with most of the original post.
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But Johnny’s not.
Thanks for coming Johnny. Drive home safely.
Where am I unbalanced? Honestly I am over the game. Saying keep wojo one more year unless there is significant improvement. Are people crazy for getting pissed about this game. You're crazy if you dont throw some shade at this team rn
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Today was a day we really missed Greg Elliott. Athletic guards gave us problems all year and Morant was the best one we faced. He was fantastic.
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Where is arrogant tower with the match ups or crap shoot excuse? Just cant wait to here this garbage.
Just because I accurately predicted a double digit loss and accurately predicted why, I am arrogant? OK.
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Just because I accurately predicted a double digit loss and accurately predicted why, I am arrogant? OK.
It was a knee jerk post. Carry on good sir
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Everybody is frustrated Johnny. It takes a lot more than that to piss me off.
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Just because I accurately predicted a double digit loss and accurately predicted why, I am arrogant? OK.
Where are your game breakdown notes. That is all.
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Where am I unbalanced? Honestly I am over the game. Saying keep wojo one more year unless there is significant improvement. Are people crazy for getting pissed about this game. You're crazy if you dont throw some shade at this team rn
Keep demanding excellence Johnny . MU deserves it.
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Keep demanding excellence Johnny . MU deserves it.
Is this sarcasm? Anyways I'm not demanding excellence. I wasnt even mad they lost. I haven't gotten this upset over a game in years. It was just how they lost. How helpless and lost these final stretch of games went. Just utter collapse. I made some knee jerk posts but I'm good now. My bad
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While I might fall into Rocky’s Hot Take category with my anti Wojo rhetoric (can’t help it, it’s therapeutic) I will add this:
We’re the 17th team in the tourney and I’d rather play any other 11 seed (of which there are 6) and any other 12 (3 others).
So 9 “better” opponents that we much rather have played. We were a 5 seed that played a 6 or 7 seed.
That said, we lost 6 of our last 7. We have lots of issues. Not just seeeing.
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Where are your game breakdown notes. That is all.
Just posted. Had to watch the game on DVR, do crap around the house, and get my kid to bed before I could sit down to post.
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Today was a day we really missed Greg Elliott. Athletic guards gave us problems all year and Morant was the best one we faced. He was fantastic.
Did we, though? Greg had some good moments last year, but I didn't see anything from him that made me think he would have been a real game changer this year. He wouldn't have taken any minutes from Sacar. Maybe some from Chartouny, but Greg wasn't a ballhandler last year. We didn't even get to see if he's got much court vision.
He was a pretty good defender, but I don't think he's any better than Bailey. If anything, Bailey may have the edge there because of his length. Greg wouldn't have been able to slow down Morant today any better than Sacar or Bailey.
I think the expectations for Greg for next year are getting to be way too high. He may end up in a similar role as Jamal did this year. Greg will be behind Markus, Koby, and Sacar most likely. If Markus can improve the TOs, and Koby can be a better option than JC was this year, then Greg might see pretty limited minutes. I like the kid, but he's going to really have to work to earn minutes next year.
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Did we, though? Greg had some good moments last year, but I didn't see anything from him that made me think he would have been a real game changer this year. He wouldn't have taken any minutes from Sacar. Maybe some from Chartouny, but Greg wasn't a ballhandler last year. We didn't even get to see if he's got much court vision.
He was a pretty good defender, but I don't think he's any better than Bailey. If anything, Bailey may have the edge there because of his length. Greg wouldn't have been able to slow down Morant today any better than Sacar or Bailey.
I think the expectations for Greg for next year are getting to be way too high. He may end up in a similar role as Jamal did this year. Greg will be behind Markus, Koby, and Sacar most likely. If Markus can improve the TOs, and Koby can be a better option than JC was this year, then Greg might see pretty limited minutes. I like the kid, but he's going to really have to work to earn minutes next year.
Theres a ton of unwarranted hype on Elliot being our savior PG. He showed 0% towards being a capable pg last year. Theres a lot of "hope" his hand is what brought him down, but thats what it is, hope.
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I don't think he would have been a PG this year by any means. I think he would have been our best perimeter defender and done well v. Morant. Better than Bailey did, who hustled, but wasn't stellar by any means.
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I don't think he would have been a PG this year by any means. I think he would have been our best perimeter defender and done well v. Morant. Better than Bailey did, who hustled, but wasn't stellar by any means.
I think he's behind Sacar, Brendan, and Jamal as a defensive player. When he filled in for Rowsey or Markus last year, he was certainly an improvement. But to say he's the best we have on the team is a big overstatement.
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I like Greg Elliot. But if the solution is for him to play major minutes at PG we are not going to be any better next year.
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Greg Elliott is a much better defender than Cain. I have a suspicion that he's better than Sacar and Bailey but can't know until we see him uniform again.
I'm skeptical of Elliott as a PG. We don't really know since he was playing one handed last season but I've never believed he was an answer at PG. I do think he could have been an answer to our lack of slashers. Markus lost his touch around the rim at the end of the season and Sacar was too inconsistent. No one else can drive to the hole with confidence. I think this is what Elliott and McEwen can help with.
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Best player MU has faced this year.
Unless one played Duke this year, Morant is the best player anyone faced.
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Is this sarcasm? Anyways I'm not demanding excellence. I wasnt even mad they lost. I haven't gotten this upset over a game in years. It was just how they lost. How helpless and lost these final stretch of games went. Just utter collapse. I made some knee jerk posts but I'm good now. My bad
No sarcasm intended . I like that you want excellence.
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Theres a ton of unwarranted hype on Elliot being our savior PG. He showed 0% towards being a capable pg last year. Theres a lot of "hope" his hand is what brought him down, but thats what it is, hope.
Greg makes winning plays. He’s not a savior though. At least two games last year he made winning plays at the end of games that won games. Some Illinois directional school being one last year by taking a charge. I remember well because it was in Maui after the invitational and we were still there while the team was back In Milwaukee.
Greg has s going to add a lot because he is a winner and exponentially more athletic than anyone on our current roster.
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This is not a Greg Elliot issue. Yes, we could have used him this year. But he is not A point guard. We have McEwen here, but we are slow on defense, non athletic. So a player not two will not fix this. But we need everyone to get better. Not an easy task. We Nd everyone to getbtougher. Not easy.
But the team plays with passion, and they don’t quit. Very valuable assets. abo easy solution to the issues we have. Maybe next year.
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Where is arrogant tower with the match ups or crap shoot excuse? Just cant wait to here this garbage.
You mean Chico - he's been all over the board with the match up/crapshoot excuses.
You don't get dominated like we did today because of match ups or luck. We got beat by a much better team with a much better game plan today. Period.
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You mean Chico - he's been all over the board with the match up/crapshoot excuses.
You don't get dominated like we did today because of match ups or luck. We got beat by a much better team with a much better game plan today. Period.
I agree that matchups and luck alone don't led to the kind of beatdown we saw today.
Despite the outcome, I still think we are the better team by a significant margin. I think we witnessed Murray State playing damn near close to their ceiling and we were pretty close to our floor. There are few matchups where that can happen and the team playing near their floor doesn't get blown out. Playing at our worst in the biggest game of the season? That's a big red flag for the coach.
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You mean Chico - he's been all over the board with the match up/crapshoot excuses.
You don't get dominated like we did today because of match ups or luck. We got beat by a much better team with a much better game plan today. Period.
No doubt brotha
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I agree that matchups and luck alone don't led to the kind of beatdown we saw today.
Despite the outcome, I still think we are the better team by a significant margin. I think we witnessed Murray State playing damn near close to their ceiling and we were pretty close to our floor. There are few matchups where that can happen and the team playing near their floor doesn't get blown out. Playing at our worst in the biggest game of the season? That's a big red flag for the coach.
Late February and March are where the rubber meets the road. We didn't even need to finish strong to have a season with notable accomplishments. All we had to do was avoid a total, unadulterated collapse. Sadly, we couldn't. Were we better than Murray State? In November, December, January and part of February, sure. In the last month, week or today? No way. They would beat us tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday and every day next week. We were the worst team in the Big East over the last month and certainly one of, if not the, worst power 6 conference teams in the country. We're not the team we were in January and early February. That newspaper is a month old. The more recent ones tell an entirely different story. Over the last 20% of the season (by far the most important part) we were a bad team.
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I agree that matchups and luck alone don't led to the kind of beatdown we saw today.
Despite the outcome, I still think we are the better team by a significant margin. I think we witnessed Murray State playing damn near close to their ceiling and we were pretty close to our floor. There are few matchups where that can happen and the team playing near their floor doesn't get blown out. Playing at our worst in the biggest game of the season? That's a big red flag for the coach.
Yes. The coach is under the microscope now. One more year to judge. Playing Markus at the point next year will be an indictment on his coaching. Better results next year and the 2020 class will be huge indicators of the direction of our program. This time next year we will all know.
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Late February and March are where the rubber meets the road. We didn't even need to finish strong to have a season with notable accomplishments. All we had to do was avoid a total, unadulterated collapse. Sadly, we couldn't. Were we better than Murray State? In November, December, January and part of February, sure. In the last month, week or today? No way. They would beat us tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday and every day next week. We were the worst team in the Big East over the last month and certainly one of, if not the, worst power 6 conference team in the country. We're not the team we were in January and early February. That newspaper is a month old. The more recent ones tell an entirely different story. Over the last 20% of the season (by far the most important part) we were a bad team.
But, it's a bad matchup. Oh, it's the refs. Hey, that was a tough break.
The truth is this team played poor ass basketball over the last month. Issues everywhere. Poor defense, problems on the glass, turnovers, way too many fouls, lack of ball movement, inability to grab 50-50 balls, etc. What happened today sadly wasn't surprising. It was the culmination of what we have seen the past few weeks.
But, just keep kicking that can down the road though. Next year, just wait until next year.
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Short twelve months.
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But, it's a bad matchup. Oh, it's the refs. Hey, that was a tough break.
The truth is this team played poor ass basketball over the last month. Issues everywhere. Poor defense, problems on the glass, turnovers, way too many fouls, lack of ball movement, inability to grab 50-50 balls, etc. What happened today sadly wasn't surprising. It was the culmination of what we have seen the past few weeks.
But, just keep kicking that can down the road though. Next year, just wait until next year.
Which assistant coach do you and Lenny want to hire?
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Which assistant coach do you and Lenny want to hire?
Snark when you can't address the facts.
Here's another one. I've never said Wojo should be fired. More fake news from "Cheeks".
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Late February and March are where the rubber meets the road. We didn't even need to finish strong to have a season with notable accomplishments. All we had to do was avoid a total, unadulterated collapse. Sadly, we couldn't. Were we better than Murray State? In November, December, January and part of February, sure. In the last month, week or today? No way. They would beat us tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday and every day next week. We were the worst team in the Big East over the last month and certainly one of, if not the, worst power 6 conference teams in the country. We're not the team we were in January and early February. That newspaper is a month old. The more recent ones tell an entirely different story. Over the last 20% of the season (by far the most important part) we were a bad team.
Yes. All tower and others pointing to the "body of work" avoids this. Once we got to 22-4, getting top 2 BE and a 5 seed in the tourney (with no NCAA win) was no longer meeting expectations.
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Yes. All tower and others pointing to the "body of work" avoids this. Once we got to 22-4, getting top 2 BE and a 5 seed in the tourney (with no NCAA win) was no longer meeting expectations.
No. You don't get to change expectations mid season. The collapse kept Wojo from exceeding expectations but not from being them. That's like a professor changing the rubric for grading a test 4/5ths through taking the test
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I have said all year, Wojo exceeded my expectations this season. I thought the talent assembled was a bubble team, not a five seed. Even factoring a bad BE and overall down season nationally, I would have bet money they had no chance for five seed.
Do want to add, unlike many believers, I am not anxiously awaiting next year because the great pool of talent. In addition, not counting on that “really big” 2020 recruiting class. The 2020 Buzz really confused me. What has Wojo done to believe he is going to have that dream recruiting season? For all the Wojo love, that one still blows my mind.
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Where am I unbalanced? Honestly I am over the game. Saying keep wojo one more year unless there is significant improvement. Are people crazy for getting pissed about this game. You're crazy if you dont throw some shade at this team rn
I don't know, I think most fans aren't so imbalanced that they're "embarrassed" or angry about a college team losing a basketball game. But there certainly are plenty of immature and entitled fans on this site.
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I don't know, I think most fans aren't so imbalanced that they're "embarrassed" or angry about a college team losing a basketball game. But there certainly are plenty of immature and entitled fans on this site.
I was frustrated/angry for like an hour. Vast majority of.us were so not sure what you're on about
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In my last post here before the Murray State game, I compared taking on the Racers to the most recent matchup against St. John's -- where we beat a long, athletic, talented team on their home court by 30+.
Obviously not a good comparison. I didn't think a win was guaranteed for MU; anybody who's watched them at the end of the season had to have doubts. And anything can happen in the NCAA tournament. But I did predict a comfortable win (6-7 points I think). And I didn't even consider the possibility we'd be run out of the gym.
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No. You don't get to change expectations mid season. The collapse kept Wojo from exceeding expectations but not from being them. That's like a professor changing the rubric for grading a test 4/5ths through taking the test
I disagree. Say your favorite baseball team's wins over/under was 81 and they were 79-60 with a 7 game division lead on Labor Day. Then they lose 19 of their final 22 and finish 82-80 and go home for October. For you, they exceeded expectations. Hooray, let's celebrate! For me, they were a failure.
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I'm waiting to pass final judgment on the season until I see how good Murray State really is. If they go to the final 4 or beyond, will that change anyone's opinion?
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I'm waiting to pass final judgment on the season until I see how good Murray State really is. If they go to the final 4 or beyond, will that change anyone's opinion?
If they manhandle the rest of the field the way they did us - yes, it will change my opinion.
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I'm waiting to pass final judgment on the season until I see how good Murray State really is. If they go to the final 4 or beyond, will that change anyone's opinion?
Yes, it would.
But it won’t happen. Theyre going to get crushed in their next game.