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Title: We need to get out and run....
Post by: denverMU on March 13, 2019, 10:21:16 PM
The last 4 games we have scored on averaged 10 pts less than our season average, 15 pts less in the Villanova, Creighton, and Seton Hall.  Somehow we have become a walk it up half court offense team.  I hope we get back to pushing it up the court.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Daniel on March 13, 2019, 10:23:38 PM
The last 4 games we have scored on averaged 10 pts less than our season average, 15 pts less in the Villanova, Creighton, and Seton Hall.  Somehow we have become a walk it up half court offense team.  I hope we get back to pushing it up the court.

We will need to dictate the tempo of game. We have not done that for a while.  And we must get inside in the Johnnies and draw fouls. Must.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: denverMU on March 13, 2019, 10:40:16 PM
I agree.  Also, STJ just played a full game and should be tired tomorrow.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: MuMark on March 13, 2019, 10:46:23 PM
We have 1 guard who plays 40 minutes.....

We aren't scoring less because we aren't running......we have scored less because in the first 3 losses we turned it over a ton and in the last one we couldn't make a shot... .we took 16 more attempts then Georgetown.
We have never been a run and gun team this season.

The first SJ game was 72 possessions and we got blown out.  ....the2nd was 66 and we lost by 1 at the buzzer.

Our lowest possession game in conference was at home vs Nova.... we won. The 2nd slowest was at Providence......blew them out.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: MUUWUWM on March 13, 2019, 10:46:54 PM

They won't be tired....we better come to play.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2019, 10:53:43 PM
We have 1 guard who plays 40 minutes.....

We aren't scoring less because we aren't running......we have scored less because in the first 3 losses we turned it over a ton and in the last one we couldn't make a shot... .we took 16 more attempts then Georgetown.
We have never been a run and gun team this season.

The first SJ game was 72 possessions and we got blown out.  ....the2nd was 66 and we lost by 1 at the buzzer.

Our lowest possession game in conference was at home vs Nova.... we won. The 2nd slowest was at Providence......blew them out.

Dis guy has got it right. Nothing has changed the last four games in terms of pace. First three we kept giving it away and the last one we couldn't hit a shot.

That being said, wouldn't mind making St. John's run. Short bench + back to back games + fast pace = tired Johnnies
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: real chili 83 on March 13, 2019, 10:56:45 PM
We got this.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: CTWarrior on March 14, 2019, 08:12:51 AM
Dis guy has got it right. Nothing has changed the last four games in terms of pace. First three we kept giving it away and the last one we couldn't hit a shot.

That being said, wouldn't mind making St. John's run. Short bench + back to back games + fast pace = tired Johnnies
Disagree.  That's how they want to play.  I don't think they'll be gassed.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Warrior1969 on March 14, 2019, 08:16:47 AM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 14, 2019, 08:23:36 AM
Disagree.  That's how they want to play.  I don't think they'll be gassed.

They pretty much played 6 players last night and a guy who has had to sit multiple games this because of knee tendinitis played 38 minutes. That would wear on anybody. Besides, there are other ways to make teams run, lots of screens on the offensive end, quick passes around the perimeter, token pressure on defense.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2019, 08:26:45 AM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.

Please show evidence of you going 31-0 predicting MU games this season. I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Warrior1969 on March 14, 2019, 08:34:21 AM
Please show evidence of you going 31-0 predicting MU games this season. I'll hang up and listen.

How long have you watched MU?
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2019, 08:44:19 AM
How long have you watched MU?

Long enough to know that this team is good enough to beat just about anybody if we play well and flawed enough to lose to just about anybody if we don't.

But is it your contention that you automatically are better at predicting the outcome of Marquette games than, say, TAMU and wades because you are old and they aren't?

Look 69er, you made a flat-out prediction: Marquette will lose. Before any of us make a wager based on your prediction, we'd like to see your record as a tout. That's a reasonable request.

What was your prediction of our record going into this season? How about after we lost to Kansas, what was your prediction of our record then? Did you predict us to beat K-State, Buffalo, Wisconsin, Louisville and Nova? Did you predict us to lose at home to Creighton and G-Town?

Predicting us to lose tonight is easy. If we lose, you get to say "I told you so" and be happy in your miserableness. If we win, you can say, "Glad I was wrong ... but I'm still not sure about Wojo." For the grumpier Scoopers, predicting a loss tonight is really a no-lose situation.

So again, what is your record as a predictor?
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 14, 2019, 08:44:53 AM
How long have you watched MU?


So this gives you ability to see the future?
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: CTWarrior on March 14, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.
Only about 40 years for me, but I get that feeling as well.  Not as sure about it as you seem to be, however.  I'll be there rooting them on and hoping for the best, though.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: lawdog77 on March 14, 2019, 08:56:41 AM
How long have you watched MU?
Let's get out our measuring sticks while we are at it...By the way 40+ years for me, and I predict we start out slow, have a close lead at half time, and blow them out the second half.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: StillWarriors on March 14, 2019, 09:02:04 AM
Disagree.  That's how they want to play.  I don't think they'll be gassed.

Not sure we want to run when 1) that isn't the style we have played all year (in fact, I think we throttled back b/c we turned it over frequently when we tried to get out in transition early in the season) and 2) St. John's is more athletic than we are at most spots on the floor. Not saying they are better basketball players, but they are more athletic.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Warrior1969 on March 14, 2019, 09:03:29 AM
Eight straight quarterfinal losses.  Coming in on a four game losing streak.  Having lost both games to SJU this year.  You think they will win tonight?  Well good for you.  I want nothing more then to be wrong.  But they will lose tonight.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: StillWarriors on March 14, 2019, 09:04:37 AM
Besides, there are other ways to make teams run, lots of screens on the offensive end, quick passes around the perimeter, token pressure on defense.

This makes sense. Avoid the turnovers long enough to make them work on D.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Warrior1969 on March 14, 2019, 09:04:58 AM
Not sure we want to run when 1) that isn't the style we have played all year (in fact, I think we throttled back b/c we turned it over frequently when we tried to get out in transition early in the season) and 2) St. John's is more athletic than we are at most spots on the floor. Not saying they are better basketball players, but they are more athletic.

Right  Run with them?   LOL  horrible idea  You have seen how many turns we have had lately?
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Its DJOver on March 14, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
Right  Run with them?   LOL  horrible idea  You have seen how many turns we have had lately?
9 in the last 60 minutes.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 14, 2019, 09:08:54 AM
9 in the last 60 minutes.

Zero since Saturday!
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 14, 2019, 09:11:20 AM
Right  Run with them?   LOL  horrible idea  You have seen how many turns we have had lately?

Funny thing about basketball. You can run even if you don't have the ball in your hands (thus in little to no danger of causing a turnover). I have found that if an offensive player without the ball runs around screens, runs to get open, runs to clear space, etc their defender will run with them. More running = more more fatigue = sloppy play = defensive fouls = advantage MU given the length of the benches and the extra days off
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: onepost on March 14, 2019, 09:11:52 AM
Eight straight quarterfinal losses.  Coming in on a four game losing streak.  Having lost both games to SJU this year.  You think they will win tonight?  Well good for you.  I want nothing more THAN (since you're on your high horse, I'll get on mine) to be wrong.  But they will lose tonight.

I disagree.  I watched about 7 teams totally run out of gas in the second half yesterday on day 2 of a back-to-back.
St. John's is not a disciplined team in the slightest, and I think they get sloppy and short in the second while we pull away.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2019, 09:15:35 AM
SJU plays at one of the quickest paces in the nation. Would Wojo be playing into their hands. MU lost the last four games as our eFG% dropped off and we fouled a lot more. Hit over 58% and keep the fouls down.

MU has lost the FTR battle (one of the four factors) the last four games by a wide margin (and it isn’t just because MU was fouling at the end like SH). Something fundamentally has changed on how either MU is playing or the officials have been calling the game. We ain’t receiving at the same rate we are getting.  Very odd.

If Stephens is out there, look out as he was the lead official in 50% of these games. Wojo might catch him this game.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 14, 2019, 09:17:05 AM
Eight straight quarterfinal losses.

This is a really dumb way to make predictions.  Sure, they may have lost in the quarterfinals in recent past, but the thing about college basketball is that every year it's a new team. 
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: oldwarrior81 on March 14, 2019, 09:47:24 AM
There were some promising things that we may be able to build on that came from the second game with them.   The first 25 minutes were more of a repeat of the first game.

But MU made a nice comeback over the final 15 minutes.   Chopping down the 13 point Johnnies lead to eventually taking a lead in the final 30 seconds.  Only to have Ponds hit the basket in the lane near the end.

Markus and Sam went the full 20 in the second half.  Sam scoring 12 to lead the way.   But Theo and Ed made their presence known by combining for 12 points and 10 rebounds in the second half.  Markus had 4 assists and 2 baskets.  So we made the comeback without Markus scoring.
Chartouny played 12 minutes with 3 assists, and was on the court for most of the comeback. 
Joe C was also one of the bright spots in the first game, playing 31 minutes.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: NickelDimer on March 14, 2019, 10:07:09 AM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.
Talked to a guy who’s watched for 46. He said we got dis
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 14, 2019, 11:43:34 AM
Wheel run moore dan Notre Dame, hey?
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: barfolomew on March 14, 2019, 03:33:32 PM
I would not mind pushing the tempo here and there tonight.

Not because it will tire them out, but because most of MU's turnovers are on the perimeter due to bad ball-handling, lazy perimeter passes, or forced entry passes.

Push up the court to get the ball into the lane without a turnover.
We don't need to force tempo, but we'll need to be able to drive and kick with regularity.


Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: spiral97 on March 14, 2019, 08:14:49 PM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.

Maybe wait until you get to 50 years before making predictions...
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 14, 2019, 08:17:45 PM
Maybe wait until you get to 50 years before making predictions...
Noice.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: hairy worthen on March 14, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.
hahahahahahahahahaha. Damn you are funny
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 14, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
I have watched MU for 45 years.  They will lose tonight.

I have watched MU for 10 years. They won tonight.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: onepost on March 14, 2019, 09:01:04 PM
I disagree.  I watched about 7 teams totally run out of gas in the second half yesterday on day 2 of a back-to-back.
St. John's is not a disciplined team in the slightest, and I think they get sloppy and short in the second while we pull away.

+1
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 14, 2019, 09:05:17 PM
And they only time they looked comfortable is when they were running.  Slowing them down and making them actually run an offense is one of the reasons they struggled.
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2019, 09:06:55 PM
Eight straight quarterfinal losses.  Coming in on a four game losing streak.  Having lost both games to SJU this year.  You think they will win tonight?  Well good for you.  I want nothing more then to be wrong.  But they will lose tonight.

Well, I guess you are 31-1 predicting Marquette games this season. Nobody's perfect.

These kinds of predictions are the easiest to make. Go negative ... and then you can say, "I'm glad I was wrong."

Yes, I thought they would win tonight. We lost by 1 to them last time, and we shot it like shyte. Tonight we shot it well and played good D, and we were the fresher, deeper, better team. But I know ... that's being naive and not a knowledgeable fan of 45 years who knew -- ABSOLUTELY KNEW -- that we had no chance to win tonight.

Thanks for the laugh!
Title: Re: We need to get out and run....
Post by: patso on March 14, 2019, 11:10:49 PM
We should win this tournament