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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DegenerateDish on March 12, 2019, 09:42:43 AM
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Your next college basketball scandal has arrived!
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They got Aunt Becky.
https://twitter.com/tom_winter/status/1105477233106407424?s=21
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This is a hell of a story.
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Derrick Rose and I’m sure plenty of others prior. Felicity Huffman charged in this latest go around.
A few years ago China had a major crackdown in their system with 7 year prison term if caught cheating.
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Marvin Bagley.
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It takes A LOT to shock me these days. Typing “Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin part of college basketball cheating scandal” is something I thought I’d NEVER type. WTF.
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“The documents say the Loughlin and her husband "agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team -- despite the fact that they did not participate in crew - thereby facilitating their admission to USC”
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I had initially read college basketball was primarily involved (believe there are 6 basketball coaches going to be indicted), but this looks to go way deeper than just basketball.
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“The documents say the Loughlin and her husband "agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team -- despite the fact that they did not participate in crew - thereby facilitating their admission to USC”
Ultra rich buying their kids access into college. Glad the feds are going after this.
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“The documents say the Loughlin and her husband "agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team -- despite the fact that they did not participate in crew - thereby facilitating their admission to USC”
A straight $500,000 donation to the school isn't enough to get your kids in anymore? Seems that ought to do it.
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Even a William H. Macy mention! This has it all!
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Aaron Leibowitz @aaron_leib
BREAKING: The US Attorney in Boston has unsealed indictments against at least 47 people in a nationwide college admissions cheating and recruitment scheme, including current and former D-1 coaches at Yale, Georgetown, USC, Wake Forest and Texas.
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There may not be anyone in basketball involved (yet). All my college basketball Twitter follows were mentioning this first, so I assumed basketball, that’s my bad.
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There may not be anyone in basketball involved (yet). All my college basketball Twitter follows were mentioning this first, so I assumed basketball, that’s my bad.
Sounds like it is minor sports. Crew, tennis, etc. Not enough money to make it worth it for the major sports.
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Georgetown caught up in the first wave.
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I guess MU will not be mentioned since MU is not considered an elite school. I know when I attended back in the 60s most of the students were from blue collar families including mine which could not afford a 500 or even a 50K bribe. I am sure MU would not accept a bribe if one were offered. I know my degree was just as valuable as one from the "elite" schools and I earned it.
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He is an alum of my kids high school. Loughlin and I worked on the NOW launch in NYC in late 2016.
CT, $500k doesn’t do it anymore. Old boss of mine wanted his kid to go to Northwestern where he went, he was donating absurd amounts to help get an edge...didn’t happen for his kid.
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Ultra rich buying their kids access into college. Glad the feds are going after this.
This. Inequality increasing.
Oh, and the payments were tax-deductible.
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He is an alum of my kids high school. Loughlin and I worked on the NOW launch in NYC in late 2016.
CT, $500k doesn’t do it anymore. Old boss of mine wanted his kid to go to Northwestern where he went, he was donating absurd amounts to help get an edge...didn’t happen for his kid.
He should have contacted the school in advance. They all have a set dollar amount that can get your kid into the "select admission category". They usually have some set minimum performance to allow them to stay in school beyond the first year.
Some schools this is $1M+, others in the $5-10M category. Surprised your old boss was not aware of this.
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And yet her husband, William H. Macy, goes unpunished?
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Lori Loughlin's daughter:
https://twitter.com/g_bluestone/status/1105488137915154432?s=19
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And for those of you that surf or just like the Mossimo clothing line (skews a little younger but they have some cool duds for our age groups), the founder of Mossimo is married to Lori.
Things you might not have known.
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Lori Loughlin's daughter:
https://twitter.com/g_bluestone/status/1105488137915154432?s=19
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/celebrity-kid-called-spoiled-privileged-brat-saying-shes-going-college-game-days-partying-190101738.html
Well she never really planned on going to class and stuff, but figured she'd just talk to the Dean's and Professors and work something out.
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He should have contacted the school in advance. They all have a set dollar amount that can get your kid into the "select admission category". They usually have some set minimum performance to allow them to stay in school beyond the first year.
Some schools this is $1M+, others in the $5-10M category. Surprised your old boss was not aware of this.
I'm positive he did. He wasn't willing to go that high, so was hoping making significant donations would be enough without having to make absurd donations.
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And for those of you that surf or just like the Mossimo clothing line (skews a little younger but they have some cool duds for our age groups), the founder of Mossimo is married to Lori.
Things you might not have known.
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If you want your kid to go to an elite school, you shouldn't be selling your line at Target. Just saying.
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If you want your kid to go to an elite school, you shouldn't be selling your line at Target. Just saying.
True dat.
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If you want your kid to go to an elite school, you shouldn't be selling your line at Target. Just saying.
Seriously.
Only the proletariat shops at Target.
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Sounds like it is minor sports. Crew, tennis, etc. Not enough money to make it worth it for the major sports.
Jerome Allen at Penn admitted he took money to have a kid categorized as a basketball recruit for special admissions consideration, but so far that's it.
I doubt any of these kids ever got scholarships, just special admissions treatment. Harvard will admit a kid under 1000 on the SAT if they're an elite prospect.
It was interesting to read how many admissions slots schools hold for athletics. 128 at Wake. All those kids have to do is qualify and be sponsored.
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If you want your kid to go to an elite school, you shouldn't be selling your line at Target. Just saying.
Yeah, he sold out. For years they were smaller, boutique and available mostly at surf shops and the like growing up. He sold to another company and they went for mass distribution. The stuff at Target is their mass produced stuff, but the better stuff is direct or at specific stores.
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I'm positive he did. He wasn't willing to go that high, so was hoping making significant donations would be enough without having to make absurd donations.
So basically, he wanted ultra-rich treatment without paying the ultra-rich fee.
#fauxriche
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My daughter this morning...”oh my God, Olivia Jade”
Resonating with the YouTuber generation...She said Jade getting destroyed on social media for taking spots of kids that earned it. People asking about her crew skills, etc
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So basically, he wanted ultra-rich treatment without paying the ultra-rich fee.
#fauxriche
That’s my guess....or he didn’t want to whore out and didn’t see the value. He can probably argue he is supporting his alma mater with the donations and convince himself of that and hope it helps get his kid in, but wasn’t willing to pay the going rate to guarantee it.
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I guess MU will not be mentioned since MU is not considered an elite school. I know when I attended back in the 60s most of the students were from blue collar families including mine which could not afford a 500 or even a 50K bribe. I am sure MU would not accept a bribe if one were offered. I know my degree was just as valuable as one from the "elite" schools and I earned it.
sad to say that every school, "elite" or not will accept a high six to seven figure "donation" to get a kid in. They look at long term benefits too - will admitting a kid with a 2.3 (regardless of athletic ability) but whose family is worth millions benefits the school with future donations. If so, they'll get in. Hell, they may not even need to bribe them up front, especially a private school that needs private donations to sustain and thrive.
It's a different time than the 60's, MU is hardly a "blue collar" school. I thought I came from a well off and financially comfortable background, then I came to MU and saw kids driving cars my dad hoped to be able to buy someday.
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My daughter this morning...”oh my God, Olivia Jade”
Resonating with the YouTuber generation...She said Jade getting destroyed on social media for taking spots of kids that earned it. People asking about her crew skills, etc
Good.
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I don’t know about you guys, but I’m going to sleep a lot better tonight knowing that Felicity Huffman is locked up and in federal custody.
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I don’t know about you guys, but I’m going to sleep a lot better tonight knowing that Felicity Huffman is locked up and in federal custody.
Gosh, I sure hope she can afford bail.
Edit: Nevermind ... she was given a signature bond. Hope you've got some Ambien around the house.
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Truly a desperate housewife trying to get her kid into college.
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Gosh, I sure hope she can afford bail.
Edit: Nevermind ... she was given a signature bond. Hope you've got some Ambien around the house.
If they can finally nail that crook Betty White in this scandal, then I'll very much rest easy.
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Gosh, I sure hope she can afford bail.
Edit: Nevermind ... she was given a signature bond. Hope you've got some Ambien around the house.
R Kelly couldn’t swing it
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If they can finally nail that crook Betty White in this scandal, then I'll very much rest easy.
Betty's kids might be on Social Security by now....
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If they can finally nail that crook Betty White in this scandal, then I'll very much rest easy.
You're obviously trying to make a point here. Just not sure what it is.
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Not making a point, making a joke.
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You're obviously trying to make a point here. Just not sure what it is.
No, totally bad jokes is all, no agenda.
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No, totally bad jokes is all, no agenda.
My bad, then.
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He is an alum of my kids high school. Loughlin and I worked on the NOW launch in NYC in late 2016.
CT, $500k doesn’t do it anymore. Old boss of mine wanted his kid to go to Northwestern where he went, he was donating absurd amounts to help get an edge...didn’t happen for his kid.
Haven't read where NU is implicated. I'd be surprised if it was part of this or any other mess of this type.
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Rich people gaming the system?
Has that ever happened before?
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Can you use the money in a 529 to pay bribes to get your kid into college?
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Rich people gaming the system?
Has that ever happened before?
Systems are gamed all the time, by all walks of life, all levels of income. Examples as far as the eye can see. All it takes is a few people to know the right people and away we go.
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Next time eye see an able bodied purson existin' a vehicle parked in a handicap parkin' spot wit a valid permit, gotta assume der rich, hey?
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Can you use the money in a 529 to pay bribes to get your kid into college?
It will cost you extra to get the university to include it on your 1098-T.
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Systems are gamed all the time, by all walks of life, all levels of income. Examples as far as the eye can see. All it takes is a few people to know the right people and away we go.
The very wealthy have it the easiest in the gaming "game". Money talks baby.
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Ultra rich buying their kids access into college. Glad the feds are going after this.
Here's the stupid question: If your children cannot make it into a university without extremely large bribes, under the table payments or cheating with entrance exams, what makes you think they'll succeed once they get in?
Every college has their share of legacies. Anyone who says otherwise has been smoking Denver Delight way too long. But goodness, this is beyond even accepting an occasionally marginal legacy. Cheating on entrance exams.... Not Cool!
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Here's the stupid question: If your children cannot make it into a university without extremely large bribes, under the table payments or cheating with entrance exams, what makes you think they'll succeed once they get in?
Every college has their share of legacies. Anyone who says otherwise has been smoking Denver Delight way too long. But goodness, this is beyond even accepting an occasionally marginal legacy. Cheating on entrance exams.... Not Cool!
If you can buy your kid admission, you probably can buy your kid a diploma, as well.
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Here's the stupid question: If your children cannot make it into a university without extremely large bribes, under the table payments or cheating with entrance exams, what makes you think they'll succeed once they get in?
Every college has their share of legacies. Anyone who says otherwise has been smoking Denver Delight way too long. But goodness, this is beyond even accepting an occasionally marginal legacy. Cheating on entrance exams.... Not Cool!
Legacies and the like are protected when they're admitted. At many of the top schools all students are almost guaranteed a degree. Over 80% of Harvard students graduate with a 3.5 or higher and they had a sit-in protest in Harvard Yard when former President Laurence Summers proposed ending grade inflation. Summers didn't last.
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When Felicity told him what was going on this morning.
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https://www.greensboro.com/news/crime/wake-forest-coach-charged-in-admissions-bribery-scheme/article_88ca415c-f943-591c-8ae8-5e023687fc68.html
Coached against this guy many times while he was running the USC men's program and the SCVC club. Also knew him from his recruiting a couple of our players pretty aggressively.
Of all the college coaches I interacted with he is by far the least surprising person that could've popped up in this. The guy was an absolute sleezeball.
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When Felicity told him what was going on this morning.
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More like:
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Here's the stupid question: If your children cannot make it into a university without extremely large bribes, under the table payments or cheating with entrance exams, what makes you think they'll succeed once they get in?
Excellent point.
and, in fact, Loughlin's daughter talked openly about avoiding class and attending parties.
But my 1st thought was "how dumb does your kid have to be to pay this kind of money to get your kid into USC or UCLA?". I suspect the dope didn't fall far from the tree.
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R Kelly couldn’t swing it
That can happen when your moolah is buried overseas. Unanticipated expenses can bite you in the rear, but that's the only way to run up 160k in child support without getting garnished. Luckily, a Judge was around who finally said enough is enough.
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So here's the thing, what do I do when I try to rub this the face of my GU friends? If my guess is correct they will wear this scandal as a badge of honor.
Damn Jesuits:(
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So here's the thing, what do I do when I try to rub this the face of my GU friends? If my guess is correct they will wear this scandal as a badge of honor.
Damn Jesuits:(
They are all happy that rich people will pay bribes to get their kids into school. It means their school is desirable.
Part of the white privilege.
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Apparently, this isn't Lori's first offense.
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What annoys me most is the tax deductibility of it. It is one thing to take up a spot from someone more deserving... one could argue the school comes out better (and future students) having more money.
But the fact that tax payers subsidize 30% (or more) of it is the part that pisses me off.
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What annoys me most is the tax deductibility of it. It is one thing to take up a spot from someone more deserving... one could argue the school comes out better (and future students) having more money.
But the fact that tax payers subsidize 30% (or more) of it is the part that pisses me off.
That means they engaged in tax fraud so the parents are in big time trouble regardless of how much money they have.
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@kellyannepolls
.@LoriLoughlin & @FelicityHuffman indicted for lying and buying spots in college.
They worried their daughters are as stupid as their mothers
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Excellent point.
and, in fact, Loughlin's daughter talked openly about avoiding class and attending parties.
But my 1st thought was "how dumb does your kid have to be to pay this kind of money to get your kid into USC or UCLA?". I suspect the dope didn't fall far from the tree.
Both are very difficult schools to get into.
USC has an admissions rate of 18%, UCLA of 12% for in-state kids so they saw some value in doing so. Plus, it looks like one of the kids was nothing but some internet celebrity and wanted to be in LA to further her career while partying in college.
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Both are very difficult schools to get into.
USC has an admissions rate of 18%, UCLA of 12% for in-state kids so they saw some value in doing so. Plus, it looks like one of the kids was nothing but some internet celebrity and wanted to be in LA to further her career while partying in college.
Thanks, Billy for the stats. I was engaging in a bit of (reverse) hyperbole, but more than that, I was comparing USC and UCLA to other schools involved like Stanford or Yale.
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Excellent point.
and, in fact, Loughlin's daughter talked openly about avoiding class and attending parties.
But my 1st thought was "how dumb does your kid have to be to pay this kind of money to get your kid into USC or UCLA?". I suspect the dope didn't fall far from the tree.
Depends what they went to school for. USC and UCLA have two of the top 3 or 4 Film Schools in the country. Getting in is nearly impossible. They have a few other programs also ranked very highly with only a few slots where it is a miracle to get in. USC is about $70K a year now. My daughter is trying for film school and we've set expectations as best we can without being dream crushers that it is going to difficult.
If I had to guess, Laughlin and Mossimo net worth is probably $75M to $100M, so this isn't a huge drop for them to throw that kind of cash around.
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That means they engaged in tax fraud so the parents are in big time trouble regardless of how much money they have.
It's worse than that. The "charitable foundation" had millions of dollars of revenue that was shielded from tax.
The mission statement on their tax return is hilarious:
The Key Worldwide Foundation endeavors to provide education that would normally be unattainable to underprivileged students, not only attainable but realistic. With programs that are designed to assist young people in every day situations, and educational situations, we hope to open new avenues of educational access to students that would normally have no access to these programs. Our contributions to major athletic university programs, may help to provide placement to students that may not have access under normal channels.
I can't help but notice that one of the organizations they donated to was DePaul.
https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2016/461/603/2016-461603030-0eb6691f-9.pdf
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They are all happy that rich people will pay bribes to get their kids into school. It means their school is desirable.
Part of the white privilege.
UCLA has more Asian students than any other group. Asian + Hispanic students are 50% of student body. Whites make up 27% at UCLA, the second largest group.
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And for those of you that surf or just like the Mossimo clothing line (skews a little younger but they have some cool duds for our age groups), the founder of Mossimo is married to Lori.
Things you might not have known.
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maybe his chews aren't as ugly as these...
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just curious, but don't our federal authorities have better things to do than go after universities and celebrities? Wouldn't this fit under the concept of victimless crime? Is paying lots of money to get them into school really a crime?
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just curious, but don't our federal authorities have better things to do than go after universities and celebrities? Wouldn't this fit under the concept of victimless crime? Is paying lots of money to get them into school really a crime?
Wouldn't potential "victims" be students not admitted on the merits because they were passed up by fake applications, scores and resumes? I wouldn't call that without victims.
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just curious, but don't our federal authorities have better things to do than go after universities and celebrities? Wouldn't this fit under the concept of victimless crime? Is paying lots of money to get them into school really a crime?
Scamming a tax-exempt foundation for personal gain is not a victimless crime.
This is something that jail time is handed out for.
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Good article with lots of jaw-dropping details:
https://deadspin.com/here-are-all-the-incredible-details-from-the-college-ad-1833236579
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Wouldn't potential "victims" be students not admitted on the merits because they were passed up by fake applications, scores and resumes? I wouldn't call that without victims.
Absolutely. Would love to see jail time for these creeps.
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just curious, but don't our federal authorities have better things to do than go after universities and celebrities? Wouldn't this fit under the concept of victimless crime? Is paying lots of money to get them into school really a crime?
The main subject received over 25 million dollars for bribing public and private individuals and defrauding universities. Like Cheeks stated, the victims are the potential students who did not gain acceptance due to this activity and the monetary loss for tax evasion. The tax liabilities and penalties for those who made payments will be substational. Along with the fact they might be charged with a conspiracy charge.
It is a very interesting case and the Bureau did an outstanding job. Working another case and an informant comes forward and provides information on main subject, Singer, who is conducting this business in California. Build up on information based from informant and confront Singer. Singer folds in a heartbeat, opens up his books and tells all. Based on financial records and Singer's information, they confirm who is involved. To solidify their case, the Bureau has Singer make telephone calls to all involved, which are recorded, and as they say, that is that. Not much of a defense when you are on tape via a consensual monitoring, basically admitting your involvement and the prosecution also has the financial records detailing the transactions.
DOJ will want to set an example to these defendants and that was confirmed by the US Attorney at his press conference. This won't be local court, but federal, where there are sentencing guidelines in which the Judge must abide by. Look at that Manafort guy, he had no criminal record, charged with lying to Congress and didn't pay his taxes. He received the low end of the guidelines and still received 4 years in prison, plus monetary payback restitution. These defendants are looking at mail fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy and tax evasion. I would predict lots of guilty pleas and defendants praying for mercy.
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Wouldn't potential "victims" be students not admitted on the merits because they were passed up by fake applications, scores and resumes? I wouldn't call that without victims.
That depends. I'm assuming these schools didn't reject anyone in order to accept these individuals. I don't know of colleges that have a set number of slots. So I'm assuming they were allowed in, but nobody was denied entry due to their presence. It's shameful and horrible...I'm glad it's coming to light. Without having seen all the details, I just am not sure of the crime.
Edit: Sounds like you guys are saying crimes were committed. All I've heard and seen so far in basic articles is talking about gifts/bribes being given to university officials. I'll have to read up on some other stuff later.
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That depends. I'm assuming these schools didn't reject anyone in order to accept these individuals. I don't know of colleges that have a set number of slots. So I'm assuming they were allowed in, but nobody was denied entry due to their presence. It's shameful and horrible...I'm glad it's coming to light. Without having seen all the details, I just am not sure of the crime.
Edit: Sounds like you guys are saying crimes were committed. All I've heard and seen so far in basic articles is talking about gifts/bribes being given to university officials. I'll have to read up on some other stuff later.
Definitely crimes alleged
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That depends. I'm assuming these schools didn't reject anyone in order to accept these individuals. I don't know of colleges that have a set number of slots. So I'm assuming they were allowed in, but nobody was denied entry due to their presence. It's shameful and horrible...I'm glad it's coming to light. Without having seen all the details, I just am not sure of the crime.
Edit: Sounds like you guys are saying crimes were committed. All I've heard and seen so far in basic articles is talking about gifts/bribes being given to university officials. I'll have to read up on some other stuff later.
I would guess that most of these colleges had a defined number of reduced-standard slots set aside for athletes, and that's how many of them got in. The coach was bribed, who then asked for special consideration for a student because of their "talent", therefore a legitimate athlete gets rejected.
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And oftentimes a women's crew team is used as a Title IX balance more than anything. Some sports, and I'm sure crew is one of them, have no roster limits. So a coach, who makes less than many of their athletic department colleagues, is usually required to recruit a certain number of female athletes, not for competitive purposes, but to make sure the athletic department doesn't get into Title IX troubles.
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And oftentimes a women's crew team is used as a Title IX balance more than anything. Some sports, and I'm sure crew is one of them, have no roster limits. So a coach, who makes less than many of their athletic department colleagues, is usually required to recruit a certain number of female athletes, not for competitive purposes, but to make sure the athletic department doesn't get into Title IX troubles.
You know British people also go to these schools and Britain is going through Brexit. So you know there's that connection too.
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And oftentimes a women's crew team is used as a Title IX balance more than anything. Some sports, and I'm sure crew is one of them, have no roster limits. So a coach, who makes less than many of their athletic department colleagues, is usually required to recruit a certain number of female athletes, not for competitive purposes, but to make sure the athletic department doesn't get into Title IX troubles.
is this really true? If so, Title IX needs some serious reforming.
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I would guess that most of these colleges had a defined number of reduced-standard slots set aside for athletes, and that's how many of them got in. The coach was bribed, who then asked for special consideration for a student because of their "talent", therefore a legitimate athlete gets rejected.
Having two kids that were (legitimately) recruited to high D1 sports teams (one B1G and the other an Ivy). The coaches were very upfront about this process. They have you submit your application early and you work with a school counselor to tweak it and retake the SAT/ACT until you hit a target.
They have two targets in mind:
* get you to reach the minimum academic requirements to get in.
* or, in one of my kid's experience, get you to raise the academic profile so you do NOT have to get in on the lower requirement for athletes (that way they can use it on another recruit).
And yes, in the case of the Ivy, the coach told us how many lowered slots he had, what was the minimum ACT to get the lowered slot, and what was the minimum ACT to NOT use the lowered slot (what is about the posted average score per College Confidential). He pushed every recruit to NOT use the lowered slot. He would use it if necessary but preferred to hold onto it for a late recruit (spring senior year).
And oftentimes a women's crew team is used as a Title IX balance more than anything. Some sports, and I'm sure crew is one of them, have no roster limits. So a coach, who makes less than many of their athletic department colleagues, is usually required to recruit a certain number of female athletes, not for competitive purposes, but to make sure the athletic department doesn't get into Title IX troubles.
100% correct.
Title IX counts an athlete MONEY per sport. So if you have a distance runner at a D1 school (like one of my daughters was at a B1G school), they run Cross Country, indoor track and outdoor track. So that one runner counts as THREE athletes for Title IX to offset men's sports.
The football coach loves women's cross country and Track. That alone can count for 75 to 100 athletic spots to offset men's spots.
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is this really true? If so, Title IX needs some serious reforming.
It might. But schools that do it right have created a ton of opportunities for female athletes. And I think most schools do it right.
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is this really true? If so, Title IX needs some serious reforming.
College sports come in two types.
* Headcount sports.
* Equivalency sports.
An example of a headcount sport is Basketball. The team has 13 scholarship spots. Each spot of 100% free ride (high D1 example). Partial rides are not allowed.
But what is allowed is "preferred walk on." That means no money but they will give you a spot on the team. Tennis is a headcount sport and tennis has been highlighted in this scandal. The coach can only offer a full-ride to UT-Austin and/or Georgetown. But, they can take unlimited preferred walk-ons and can use the lower academic limit on preferred walk-ons. My guess is this is how the bribe worked in headcount sports. (and I would further guess that the team members knew nothing about this scam the coach was running). Only the headcount spots are counted for Title IX (the spots that get money).
The other is an equivalency sport. Cross Country is an example. The team gets enough scholarship money for 8 full rides. BUT ... the typical team has 20 to 25. So they offer partial scholarships (in our school's case it was 1%, 5%, 10%, 25%, 50%, 75% and full-ride). But it counts for 8 spots for Title IX (or 24 if they run indoor and outdoor track as explain in the post above).
So, yes you can have an unlimited number on an equivalency sports team (like crew), but it does not mean more Title IX spots. Title IX counts money, not actual athletes.
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I would guess that most of these colleges had a defined number of reduced-standard slots set aside for athletes, and that's how many of them got in. The coach was bribed, who then asked for special consideration for a student because of their "talent", therefore a legitimate athlete gets rejected.
If these kids are cheating on exams and submitting inflated applications, would they still be considered a reduced-standard? I'm not familiar with the phrase, but if I can put 2 and 2 together, it sounds like schools will often allow X number of students to be admitted who do not meet the traditional entry standards, often for athletes. But if these kids have submitted applications that do meet the typical standards, wouldn't they be considered a typical applicant?
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If these kids are cheating on exams and submitting inflated applications, would they still be considered a reduced-standard? I'm not familiar with the phrase, but if I can put 2 and 2 together, it sounds like schools will often allow X number of students to be admitted who do not meet the traditional entry standards, often for athletes. But if these kids have submitted applications that do meet the typical standards, wouldn't they be considered a typical applicant?
Who says they met the standard? Maybe even with the cheating, they still only got "athlete" scores. Raises fewer flags than a kid who got a 19 on his first try on the ACT and a 35 on the second try.
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Who says they met the standard? Maybe even with the cheating, they still only got "athlete" scores. Raises fewer flags than a kid who got a 19 on his first try on the ACT and a 35 on the second try.
I guess I'm assuming those 5-figure cheating scams can at least get the kids a respectable score. Not a 35, but maybe something in the 26-28 range that is good enough at a lot of schools. If the kid on Suits can figure out the system, I bet the pros are even better!
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I guess I'm assuming those 5-figure cheating scams can at least get the kids a respectable score. Not a 35, but maybe (http://something in the 26-28 range that is good enough at a lot of schools). If the kid on Suits can figure out the system, I bet the pros are even better!
At an elite school, not unless you are an athlete, which is the point.
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That depends. I'm assuming these schools didn't reject anyone in order to accept these individuals. I don't know of colleges that have a set number of slots. So I'm assuming they were allowed in, but nobody was denied entry due to their presence. It's shameful and horrible...I'm glad it's coming to light. Without having seen all the details, I just am not sure of the crime.
Edit: Sounds like you guys are saying crimes were committed. All I've heard and seen so far in basic articles is talking about gifts/bribes being given to university officials. I'll have to read up on some other stuff later.
Gifts/bribes are crimes. Their were also the separate crimes of money laundering, tax evasion, tax fraud, and many others.
As for schools, and a set number of slots. Every University has a set number of slots. They divide them based on normal admission, athletic admission, "extra special admission" (read big donors). They pay substantial sums of money to study/model how many of accepted students in each bin will actually accept. When they accidentally go over it creates massive headaches for most schools.
So yes, they did take someone else's spot.
Now a caveat. I find it a bit ironic, that it is tax fraud to bribe this individual to sneak their kid in to a University. But it is perfectly accepted to pay for a building, to bribe your kid into a University. I think both should be crimes.
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College sports come in two types.
* Headcount sports.
* Equivalency sports.
An example of a headcount sport is Basketball. The team has 13 scholarship spots. Each spot of 100% free ride (high D1 example). Partial rides are not allowed.
But what is allowed is "preferred walk on." That means no money but they will give you a spot on the team. Tennis is a headcount sport and tennis has been highlighted in this scandal. The coach can only offer a full-ride to UT-Austin and/or Georgetown. But, they can take unlimited preferred walk-ons and can use the lower academic limit on preferred walk-ons. My guess is this is how the bribe worked in headcount sports. (and I would further guess that the team members knew nothing about this scam the coach was running). Only the headcount spots are counted for Title IX (the spots that get money).
The other is an equivalency sport. Cross Country is an example. The team gets enough scholarship money for 8 full rides. BUT ... the typical team has 20 to 25. So they offer partial scholarships (in our school's case it was 1%, 5%, 10%, 25%, 50%, 75% and full-ride). But it counts for 8 spots for Title IX (or 24 if they run indoor and outdoor track as explain in the post above).
So, yes you can have an unlimited number on an equivalency sports team (like crew), but it does not mean more Title IX spots. Title IX counts money, not actual athletes.
Not entirely correct.
Men's Tennis is not a headcount sport. They only get 4.5 scholarships to divide.
Participation is based on how many people are on the roster for the first competition.
Partial rides are allowed for headcount sports, but they still take up 1 spot. It depends on the school's budget as not all sports are fully funded, even headcount sports. For example, a women's tennis player could only get $25K in athletic aid but they count as a full.
All sports are counted for Title IX purposes. It comes down to how much aid is offered and allocated throughout the athletic department. However, Title IX compliance is not just measured based upon equality or meeting the same proportion as the student body. There are three, disjunctive prongs a school can use to show Title IX compliance. One is meeting demand. If there are spots but not enough women are filling them then that's ok. You don't have to add players or hand out scholarships just to add them for numbers.
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UCLA has more Asian students than any other group. Asian + Hispanic students are 50% of student body. Whites make up 27% at UCLA, the second largest group.
So what? Asian students academically are outstanding. They are not buying their way in, their grades do the talking.
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Now a caveat. I find it a bit ironic, that it is tax fraud to bribe this individual to sneak their kid in to a University. But it is perfectly accepted to pay for a building, to bribe your kid into a University. I think both should be crimes.
But the building donation is done above board and in compliance with all tax regulations and assorted financial requirements. The scheme that led to these indictments fraudulently took advantage of tax deductions and the bribes almost certainly weren't reported - at least not legally/accurately reported - as income by the recipients.
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As for schools, and a set number of slots. Every University has a set number of slots. They divide them based on normal admission, athletic admission, "extra special admission" (read big donors). They pay substantial sums of money to study/model how many of accepted students in each bin will actually accept. When they accidentally go over it creates massive headaches for most schools.
So yes, they did take someone else's spot.
Is it really that rigid? I've got to think that for universities whose class sizes are several thousand students, that it would be nearly impossible for the admissions department to only accept X number of students due to size restrictions. I can understand if the acceptance target is a range, but that range would likely be at least a few hundred wide, wouldn't it? Incoming class sizes have to vary by a couple hundred students year by year at a school like USC, don't they? It doesn't really seem like allowing a few extra kids in would really result in anyone else being kept out.
This is definitely not my area of expertise, but just thinking through the numbers, it seems like there is probably some wiggle room on acceptance numbers.
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Is it really that rigid? I've got to think that for universities whose class sizes are several thousand students, that it would be nearly impossible for the admissions department to only accept X number of students due to size restrictions. I can understand if the acceptance target is a range, but that range would likely be at least a few hundred wide, wouldn't it? Incoming class sizes have to vary by a couple hundred students year by year at a school like USC, don't they? It doesn't really seem like allowing a few extra kids in would really result in anyone else being kept out.
This is definitely not my area of expertise, but just thinking through the numbers, it seems like there is probably some wiggle room on acceptance numbers.
Imagine if you were at the top of the waiting list for one of these schools. Those people most certainly did take your spot.
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Imagine if you were at the top of the waiting list for one of these schools. Those people most certainly did take your spot.
Or if some of the "elite" schools can only make so many exceptions for student athletes and you're hoping to be one of those exceptions but it ends up going to a person who doesn't even play the sport that they become an exception for.
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Or if some of the "elite" schools can only make so many exceptions for student athletes and you're hoping to be one of those exceptions but it ends up going to a person who doesn't even play the sport that they become an exception for.
Right. And the coach meets their recruiting goals, is (illegally) making money on the deal, and gets to do less work since they actually will never participate in the sport.
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Not entirely correct.
Men's Tennis is not a headcount sport. They only get 4.5 scholarships to divide.
Participation is based on how many people are on the roster for the first competition.
Partial rides are allowed for headcount sports, but they still take up 1 spot. It depends on the school's budget as not all sports are fully funded, even headcount sports. For example, a women's tennis player could only get $25K in athletic aid but they count as a full.
All sports are counted for Title IX purposes. It comes down to how much aid is offered and allocated throughout the athletic department. However, Title IX compliance is not just measured based upon equality or meeting the same proportion as the student body. There are three, disjunctive prongs a school can use to show Title IX compliance. One is meeting demand. If there are spots but not enough women are filling them then that's ok. You don't have to add players or hand out scholarships just to add them for numbers.
Yes ... I should have been more specific. Women's Tennis is a headcount sport with nine scholarships. Men's tennis is an equivalency sport with 4.5 scholarships.
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Not entirely correct.
Men's Tennis is not a headcount sport. They only get 4.5 scholarships to divide.
Participation is based on how many people are on the roster for the first competition.
Partial rides are allowed for headcount sports, but they still take up 1 spot. It depends on the school's budget as not all sports are fully funded, even headcount sports. For example, a women's tennis player could only get $25K in athletic aid but they count as a full.
All sports are counted for Title IX purposes. It comes down to how much aid is offered and allocated throughout the athletic department. However, Title IX compliance is not just measured based upon equality or meeting the same proportion as the student body. There are three, disjunctive prongs a school can use to show Title IX compliance. One is meeting demand. If there are spots but not enough women are filling them then that's ok. You don't have to add players or hand out scholarships just to add them for numbers.
I’m guessing you work for a college athletic department....am I right?
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Famous Actresses Paid Bundles Of Money To Bribe Their Kids' Way Into College. Here's Why.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/44571/famous-actresses-paid-bundles-money-bribe-their-ben-shapiro
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Famous Actresses Paid Bundles Of Money To Bribe Their Kids' Way Into College. Here's Why.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/44571/famous-actresses-paid-bundles-money-bribe-their-ben-shapiro
The economic and social aspect is real, and I could understand better if the parents were wealthy but relatively anonymous doctor or lawyer types. But if you're the child of a famous Hollywood celeb, you already travel in those rarefied economic and social circles. Not sure I see such a big benefit....
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Sure treating her like a criminal
Felicity Huffman awoke to FBI agents with guns drawn at her L.A. home in college cheating raid
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-felicity-huffman-college-cheating-arrest-20190312-story.html
When Felicity Huffman opened the door to her Los Angeles home at 6 a.m. Tuesday, she was met by FBI agents with their guns drawn, according to a source familiar with the incident.
The agents informed her of the charges in a sweeping college admissions fraud case and handcuffed her, the source said. Huffman spent hours in federal custody at a detention center in downtown Los Angeles.
On Tuesday afternoon, Huffman made a brief court appearance. She answered “yes” to several questions from the federal magistrate, including whether she understood the charges against her. She was seated in a glassed-off area with several other defendants. Her husband, actor William H. Macy, sat in court as the magistrate ordered her free on $250,000 bail.
She is expected to appear in a Boston courtroom March 29 to address the charges.
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Imagine if you were at the top of the waiting list for one of these schools. Those people most certainly did take your spot.
That's what I'm asking, though. Just how rigid is the number of accepted students? Do schools actually target an incoming number of 5,000, for example? And if they have 4,996 students accept their admission offer, do they then only reach out to the top 4 on the wait list? Again, not my area of expertise, but it seems pretty unlikely that schools are that precise. A few more or fewer students here or there just doesn't seem like it would affect the schools too much.
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That's what I'm asking, though. Just how rigid is the number of accepted students? Do schools actually target an incoming number of 5,000, for example? And if they have 4,996 students accept their admission offer, do they then only reach out to the top 4 on the wait list? Again, not my area of expertise, but it seems pretty unlikely that schools are that precise. A few more or fewer students here or there just doesn't seem like it would affect the schools too much.
For many schools that make it mandatory for 100% freshman to stay in university housing, then they have a specific number they will accept based on the number of freshman beds. And they try hard to fill everyone because every empty bed is lost revenue. So yes, it is truly a zero-sum game.
How about MU? I assume they allow commuters from Milwaukee so they number can be a little more squishy. Is this correct?
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For many schools that make it mandatory for 100% freshman to stay in university housing, then they have a specific number they will accept based on the number of freshman beds. And they try hard to fill everyone because every empty bed is lost revenue. So yes, it is truly a zero-sum game.
How about MU? I assume they allow commuters from Milwaukee so they number can be a little more squishy. Is this correct?
Freshmen and Sophomores have to live on campus unless they are living with a parent or legal guardian.
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Sure treating her like a criminal
Felicity Huffman awoke to FBI agents with guns drawn at her L.A. home in college cheating raid
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-felicity-huffman-college-cheating-arrest-20190312-story.html
When Felicity Huffman opened the door to her Los Angeles home at 6 a.m. Tuesday, she was met by FBI agents with their guns drawn, according to a source familiar with the incident.
The agents informed her of the charges in a sweeping college admissions fraud case and handcuffed her, the source said. Huffman spent hours in federal custody at a detention center in downtown Los Angeles.
On Tuesday afternoon, Huffman made a brief court appearance. She answered “yes” to several questions from the federal magistrate, including whether she understood the charges against her. She was seated in a glassed-off area with several other defendants. Her husband, actor William H. Macy, sat in court as the magistrate ordered her free on $250,000 bail.
She is expected to appear in a Boston courtroom March 29 to address the charges.
FBI sure does love to draw their guns of late against non violent accused. Better safe than sorry apparently?
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FBI sure does love to draw their guns of late against non violent accused. Better safe than sorry apparently?
Yep. I think they should have showed up at 4am They did her a favor.
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For many schools that make it mandatory for 100% freshman to stay in university housing, then they have a specific number they will accept based on the number of freshman beds. And they try hard to fill everyone because every empty bed is lost revenue. So yes, it is truly a zero-sum game.
How about MU? I assume they allow commuters from Milwaukee so they number can be a little more squishy. Is this correct?
You are correct about housing being the limiting factor at many schools. Still, it's a guesstimate how many students they need to accept in order to fill a certain number of beds, since the % who accept the offer fluctuates from year to year. And while they could always go to the waitlist, most schools prefer to do projections based on past history so they get commitments asap. Using MU as an example, MU accepted 11,574 and had 2023 students enroll.
So back to your question...if MU was engaged in this practice, they probably could have just accepted a 11,575th applicant and hoped one of the other accepted students went somewhere else.
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Are these the same people who oppose affirmative action?
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Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade was aboard USC official's yacht in Bahamas when mom was charged
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lori-loughlins-daughter-was-in-usc-officials-yacht-when-mother-was-charged.amp
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Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade was aboard USC official's yacht in Bahamas when mom was charged
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lori-loughlins-daughter-was-in-usc-officials-yacht-when-mother-was-charged.amp
Wow. My kids routinely spent Spring Break in some church basement in New Orleans or New York as part of a Mardi Gras team doing disaster recovery mission work. I guess my son later got his 'yacht experience' when he was mobilized to Key West and later San Juan aboard the ready reserve T/S Empire State as part of a FEMA deployment.
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Wow. My kids routinely spent Spring Break in some church basement in New Orleans or New York as part of a Mardi Gras team doing disaster recovery mission work. I guess my son later got his 'yacht experience' when he was mobilized to Key West and later San Juan aboard the ready reserve T/S Empire State as part of a FEMA deployment.
And your kids probably took their own SATs or ACTs. Shows how smart they (and you) aren't!
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And your kids probably took their own SATs or ACTs. Shows how smart they (and you) aren't!
For sure. BTW, the Captain did let him drive that baby for awhile one night. Not near any land though! :o :o
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And your kids probably took their own SATs or ACTs. Shows how smart they (and you) aren't!
They didn't need to cheat. 8-)
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Here the part I do not understand ...
Olivia Jade has a legitimate business that might net her close to seven figures a year. She employs people (at least a Rep) and has major global companies as sponsors.
Isn't this impressive enough to get into USC or any other elite school? While other kids will talk about their experience running a Model UN club that raised $1,100, she can provide audited financial statements and details of five a six-figure sponsorship deals. She can show she is an Instagram and YouTube influencer with millions of followers (my 13-year daughter follows her). She can get letters of recommendations from the leader of global brands.
To me, this seems far more impressive that faking a crew team offer.
I'll answer my own question, I guess they were so insecure about her already impressive achievements that they cheated so bad that they are now going to lose everything. Mom, Dad, daughters are all professionally done.
Stupid on so many levels.
Olivia Jade, Lori Loughlin’s Daughter, Stands to Lose Brand Deals Over College-Admissions Scandal
https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/olivia-jade-lori-loughlin-college-scam-influencer-brand-deals-1203162624/
HP has already cut its ties with Olivia Jade. In a statement, the company said, “HP worked with Lori Loughlin and Olivia Jade in 2017 for a one-time product campaign. HP has removed the content from its properties.” A post promoting HP’s Sprocket photo printer is currently still live on Olivia Jade’s Instagram account.
Olivia Jade Giannulli had also cut brand deals with partners including Amazon, Dolce & Gabbana, Lulus, Marc Jacobs Beauty, Sephora, Smashbox Beauty Cosmetics, Smile Direct Club, Too Faced Cosmetics, Boohoo, and Unilever’s TRESemmé.
A rep for Olivia Jade declined to comment, as did Estée Lauder Companies, which owns Smashbox and Too Faced. None of the other brands or companies Variety reached out to responded to requests for comment as of press time.
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There are even off shoots to this.....
Universities use the same "ploy" to get the very "top cream" students......
We know a student who is going to Duke early decision.....
The state school wants her bad to stay in state......But she wants Duke and is going to go there.....
The state school can only offer under "academics" a full academic scholy........
So the state school offered her a "full athletic" scholarship on the women's soccer team......As you guys probably know that adds.....Room and board.....expenses.....and stipend......Which equates to at least another $10K +......
Let's put it this way.....She is not "college soccer material"......In any division.....She is probably 8th best player on her varsity team......Very ordinary......
I do not know how often this occurs......But institutions are using this tool to grab students they really really want.....
This is certainly not how college athletic scholarships are supposed to be utilized......
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There are even off shoots to this.....
Universities use the same "ploy" to get the very "top cream" students......
We know a student who is going to Duke early decision.....
The state school wants her bad to stay in state......But she wants Duke and is going to go there.....
The state school can only offer under "academics" a full academic scholy........
So the state school offered her a "full athletic" scholarship on the women's soccer team......As you guys probably know that adds.....Room and board.....expenses.....and stipend......Which equates to at least another $10K +......
Let's put it this way.....She is not "college soccer material"......In any division.....She is probably 8th best player on her varsity team......Very ordinary......
I do not know how often this occurs......But institutions are using this tool to grab students they really really want.....
This is certainly not how college athletic scholarships are supposed to be utilized......
Is this the flagship state school or a directional/dash school?
Also, aren't schools allowed to recruit whomever they want for their athletic teams? Not quite the same thing.
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There are even off shoots to this.....
Universities use the same "ploy" to get the very "top cream" students......
We know a student who is going to Duke early decision.....
The state school wants her bad to stay in state......But she wants Duke and is going to go there.....
The state school can only offer under "academics" a full academic scholy........
So the state school offered her a "full athletic" scholarship on the women's soccer team......As you guys probably know that adds.....Room and board.....expenses.....and stipend......Which equates to at least another $10K +......
Let's put it this way.....She is not "college soccer material"......In any division.....She is probably 8th best player on her varsity team......Very ordinary......
I do not know how often this occurs......But institutions are using this tool to grab students they really really want.....
This is certainly not how college athletic scholarships are supposed to be utilized......
It does sound squirmy. But at least this girl knows what soccer is, unlike the rich "crew star."
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It does sound squirmy. But at least this girl knows what soccer is, unlike the rich "crew star."
And my guess is they actually expected her to play.
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They didn't need to cheat. 8-)
Talkin' select skools heer. Last eye looked #75 orr sew in USNWR rankin' wuzant part of da mix, hey?
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FBI sure does love to draw their guns of late against non violent accused. Better safe than sorry apparently?
Standard protocol. Imagine if they only drew weapons when storming houses in Compton or Reseda.
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Here the part I do not understand ...
Olivia Jade has a legitimate business that might net her close to seven figures a year. She employs people (at least a Rep) and has major global companies as sponsors.
Isn't this impressive enough to get into USC or any other elite school? While other kids will talk about their experience running a Model UN club that raised $1,100, she can provide audited financial statements and details of five a six-figure sponsorship deals. She can show she is an Instagram and YouTube influencer with millions of followers (my 13-year daughter follows her). She can get letters of recommendations from the leader of global brands.
To me, this seems far more impressive that faking a crew team offer.
I'll answer my own question, I guess they were so insecure about her already impressive achievements that they cheated so bad that they are now going to lose everything. Mom, Dad, daughters are all professionally done.
Stupid on so many levels.
Doesn't this also highlight part of the problem. She has done nothing herself. Her contribution to her company/brand is taking pictures of herself hanging out with her famous and rich friends.
Her work is going out and partying and being seen. That is simply marketing her rich/famous lineage. Kind of like "royalty".
You are calling that an accomplishment, being born rich and famous is in your mind, a worthy accomplishment that should let her into an elite school. When she herself says she had no intention of going to class or doing school stuff, but would talk to Deans to "work it out".
It is disgusting.
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Talkin' select skools heer. Last eye looked #75 orr sew in USNWR rankin' wuzant part of da mix, hey?
#89
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Doesn't this also highlight part of the problem. She has done nothing herself. Her contribution to her company/brand is taking pictures of herself hanging out with her famous and rich friends.
Her work is going out and partying and being seen. That is simply marketing her rich/famous lineage. Kind of like "royalty".
You are calling that an accomplishment, being born rich and famous is in your mind, a worthy accomplishment that should let her into an elite school. When she herself says she had no intention of going to class or doing school stuff, but would talk to Deans to "work it out".
It is disgusting.
+1
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You are calling that an accomplishment, being born rich and famous is in your mind, a worthy accomplishment that should let her into an elite school. When she herself says she had no intention of going to class or doing school stuff, but would talk to Deans to "work it out".
No matter how she got in, if my kid posted something like that to social media, I am buying her a ticket on the next Megabus out of town. And she ain't coming to my house to live.
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Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade was aboard USC official's yacht in Bahamas when mom was charged
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lori-loughlins-daughter-was-in-usc-officials-yacht-when-mother-was-charged.amp
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were more to that story.
It's the worst kept secret in Hollywood that models, reality stars, and female C-list celebs make quite a bit of money as "yacht girls", especially in the UAE.
I Kould give you some Klues as to who some of them are.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were more to that story.
It's the worst kept secret in Hollywood that models, reality stars, and female C-list celebs make quite a bit of money as "yacht girls", especially in the UAE.
I Kould give you some Klues as to who some of them are.
She and the board president's daughter are friends and were Spring Breaking together.
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Allegedly, She and the board president's daughter are friends and were Spring Breaking together.
How bad were her scores that knowing the Board President wasn't enough to get in?
ETA: FIFY
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How bad were her scores that knowing the Board President wasn't enough to get in?
ETA: FIFY
Yeah, it's probably more likely she was working as a "yacht girl" for some wealthy sultan in the UAE.
Even though she was on the board president's yacht. In the Bahamas.
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Yeah, it's probably more likely she was working as a "yacht girl" for some wealthy sultan in the UAE.
Even though she was on the board president's yacht. In the Bahamas.
No one's been able to figure out how Rob Kardashian got into USC. Just saying.
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How bad were her scores that knowing the Board President wasn't enough to get in?
ETA: FIFY
Could have become friends in fall semester. Feel like that’s a little more likely story.
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Could have become friends in fall semester. Feel like that’s a little more likely story.
You guys are spoiling all my fun!
Also, 20,000 undergrads and her bestie just happens to be the daughter of the Board President?
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GiantRichAustraliankelpie-size_restricted.gif)
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Could have become friends in fall semester. Feel like that’s a little more likely story.
Nope. Wrong answer.
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It does sound squirmy. But at least this girl knows what soccer is, unlike the rich "crew star."
The Madison of our "state".....
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I'll answer my own question, I guess they were so insecure about her already impressive achievements that they cheated so bad that they are now going to lose everything. Mom, Dad, daughters are all professionally done.
Stupid on so many levels.
Unfortunately, I doubt they're done. This pathetic fiasco probably nets them a $$$$ deal for a show like the Kardashian thing. And stupid people will watch.
Totally agree with the underlined, though.....
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Doesn't this also highlight part of the problem. She has done nothing herself. Her contribution to her company/brand is taking pictures of herself hanging out with her famous and rich friends.
Her work is going out and partying and being seen. That is simply marketing her rich/famous lineage. Kind of like "royalty".
You are calling that an accomplishment, being born rich and famous is in your mind, a worthy accomplishment that should let her into an elite school. When she herself says she had no intention of going to class or doing school stuff, but would talk to Deans to "work it out".
It is disgusting.
Forget, tSmith and Wchick et. al ... you're wrong and you showing yourself to be an out of touch old white people.
She did something. She created a following that she is able to generate into seven figures a year. (Again it is now gone with the scandal.) This is very hard. Tens of thousands try, few pull it off. She did.
Her niche is makeup and fashion on a budget. This is very popular among teenage girls. Old white guys don't understand this because they are out of touch. (again, I have a 13-year daughter that follows Jade and others like her, and we, read Mom, have spent money to buy clothes based in Jade's recommendations.)
Do you have the same amount of disgust for Lebron and his millions of social media followers? For his TV produced shows. Young teenage girls find LeBron as useless as you find Olivia Jade useless.
Or how about young teenage boys that follow fortnite influencers on YouTube?
Welcome to 2019 old man. Leave your values in the past for the anthropology classes to study. The world is radically different from the days you ran home from school to watch re-runs of Gilligan's Island on WGN.
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Wate 'til da chit hits da fan when politician's kidds r implicated. Sum of dem old geezers are chittin'der Depends, hey?
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Wate 'til da chit hits da fan when politician's kidds r implicated. Sum of dem old geezers are chittin'der Depends, hey?
Just read that the tax-exempt foundation that funnels the money to the coaches listed USC coaches and the biggest recipient. Number three was UCLA. Both schools were implicated.
Number 2 is NYU. So far no one associated with NYU has been named.
Stay tuned.
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Forget, tSmith and Wchick et. al ... you're wrong and you showing yourself to be an out of touch old white people.
She did something. She created a following that she is able to generate into seven figures a year. (Again it is now gone with the scandal.) This is very hard. Tens of thousands try, few pull it off. She did.
Her niche is makeup and fashion on a budget. This is very popular among teenage girls. Old white guys don't understand this because they are out of touch. (again, I have a 13-year daughter that follows Jade and others like her, and we, read Mom, have spent money to buy clothes based in Jade's recommendations.)
Do you have the same amount of disgust for Lebron and his millions of social media followers? For his TV produced shows. Young teenage girls find LeBron as useless as you find Olivia Jade useless.
Or how about young teenage boys that follow fortnite influencers on YouTube?
Welcome to 2019 old man. Leave your values in the past for the anthropology classes to study. The world is radically different from the days you ran home from school to watch re-runs of Gilligan's Island on WGN.
But you asked "Isn't this impressive enough to get into USC or any other elite school?"
And the answer to that is...obviously not without cheating.
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But you asked "Isn't this impressive enough to get into USC or any other elite school?"
And the answer to that is...obviously not without cheating.
They did not try
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The guy that was the head of this thing......
Says he has records for 800 families that he has "helped" previously.....
Do you give that guy a deal for a "reduced" sentence.....That is what he obviously jockeying for.....
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Doesn't this also highlight part of the problem. She has done nothing herself. Her contribution to her company/brand is taking pictures of herself hanging out with her famous and rich friends.
Her work is going out and partying and being seen. That is simply marketing her rich/famous lineage. Kind of like "royalty".
You are calling that an accomplishment, being born rich and famous is in your mind, a worthy accomplishment that should let her into an elite school. When she herself says she had no intention of going to class or doing school stuff, but would talk to Deans to "work it out".
It is disgusting.
It's not just the kids of the rich and famous, all kinds of people post videos of themselves out on YouTube to become "celebrities" and they are able to get a gullible public (mainly kids and evangelicals) to subscribe and make them rich. The brothers of Will Grier (QB at West Virginia) are apparently YouTube celebrities earning millions. There are evangelical individuals and couples (e.g. the family that faked a pregnancy by claiming they had a positive pregnancy test from toilet water) and the guy who went nuts over Starbucks cups make millions. It's the Kardashian effect - famous for nothing and there are enough idiots in the world who are willing to watch them do nothing to make them rich and famous.
Children of celebrities have a springboard to fame as their parents are able to have their famous friends promote them via social media and get them in magazines that idiot tweens and teens will subscribe and buy what their new heroes tell them to buy. Social media is the new frontier, it used to be clothing lines or boutiques (e.g. Ralph Lauren's daughter's candy store) or sex tapes.
USC and UCLA are attractive schools for people like this Olivia Jane kid because they're in LA and thus close access to Hollywood and have famous film schools.
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Forget, tSmith and Wchick et. al ... you're wrong and you showing yourself to be an out of touch old white people.
She did something. She created a following that she is able to generate into seven figures a year. (Again it is now gone with the scandal.) This is very hard. Tens of thousands try, few pull it off. She did.
Her niche is makeup and fashion on a budget. This is very popular among teenage girls. Old white guys don't understand this because they are out of touch. (again, I have a 13-year daughter that follows Jade and others like her, and we, read Mom, have spent money to buy clothes based in Jade's recommendations.)
Do you have the same amount of disgust for Lebron and his millions of social media followers? For his TV produced shows. Young teenage girls find LeBron as useless as you find Olivia Jade useless.
Or how about young teenage boys that follow fortnite influencers on YouTube?
Welcome to 2019 old man. Leave your values in the past for the anthropology classes to study. The world is radically different from the days you ran home from school to watch re-runs of Gilligan's Island on WGN.
Yeah well, you know, that's just like...Uh Your opinion man.
I am definitely in tune with the current younger generation. If Olivia was not from a famous family, she would be a nobody. No social media footprint, no nothing. You are apparently totally unaware of how this type of content is generated, who is involved, and who is doing all the work.
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Yeah well, you know, that's just like...Uh Your opinion man.
I am definitely in tune with the current younger generation. If Olivia was not from a famous family, she would be a nobody. No social media footprint, no nothing. You are apparently totally unaware of how this type of content is generated, who is involved, and who is doing all the work.
Oh, I see. Any kid can get a million dollars in sponsors if they are from a famous family. It's like bending over and picking up a quarter on the sidewalk for them.
Got it.
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The guy that was the head of this thing......
Says he has records for 800 families that he has "helped" previously.....
Do you give that guy a deal for a "reduced" sentence.....That is what he obviously jockeying for.....
I'd be shocked if that isn't exactly what he's working for. If he has decent lawyers, he already has a plea deal with the prosecutors offering cooperation in exchange for a reduced sentence recommendation. In the end, the sentence is up to the judge, but recommendations from prosecutors (usually) carry a lot of weight.
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Yeah well, you know, that's just like...Uh Your opinion man.
I am definitely in tune with the current younger generation. If Olivia was not from a famous family, she would be a nobody. No social media footprint, no nothing. You are apparently totally unaware of how this type of content is generated, who is involved, and who is doing all the work.
Actually that is not completely accurate. You would be surprised how many influencers have no celebrity family background.
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Actually that is not completely accurate. You would be surprised how many influencers have no celebrity family background.
That is true. I have a friend who was in the photography business with her own personal website, etc. She was doing a blog that no one was really paying attention to, but one day posted something that caught on with a local news station and ended up "going viral" to the point where it was shown on the Today Show and she was interviewed on Ellen. This was about three years ago, and since then she has developed a pretty decent following. She told me last year that she received nearly $200,000 in cash and product and furnished most of their new house by just agreeing to photograph and mention the products. Nearly a million Instagram followers and a quarter million subscribers to her Facebook page.
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Actually that is not completely accurate. You would be surprised how many influencers have no celebrity family background.
Especially with teenage boys that follow gaming influencers (fortnite). These influencers are not from famous families.
Now back to my point ... social media allows interest and taste to fracture. So kids can follow anyone on social media that appeals to their narrow interest. And once these influencers get a significant following, they can get paid for it, and paid well.
The problem is the Luddites that grew up in the 1970s watching Gilligan after school go quasi-sexist that a 19-year-old girl talking about fashion on YouTube must be a fraud. If an old fat old white guy like Forget cannot relate to it, then it is not a legitimate business (as he wrote above).
It is the legit business in 2019. And her success should have been enough to get into USC. The problem was she wanted a guarantee, not a good chance. So they went over the top in cheating to get that guarantee. They got caught. Now they are going to pay a very big price.
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You are correct - "Social Media Influencer" is a job many young people try to get (and really young - there's a channel where a guy just shows his toddler playing with new toys, makes $1 million a year) and while most of them fail, there are many that catch fire in some way and boom! You're a millionaire!
However, it is very true that the easiest way to make a lot of money on social media is to have exposure some other way, like reality TV or famous families. I took a lot of issue with Time or Forbes or someone calling Kylie Jenner the world's youngest self-made billionaire, because of course she wasn't self-made, she had a leg up on everyone by having people watch her grow up on that KK show chick was talking about. So yes, while its impressive that she's built a beauty empire at 19 or 20, she had advantages that some unknown 19 year old just out of high school did not.
Now as for that yacht story, I can't attest fully to what was going on, but we sent my daughter to a private high school and one of her best friends was the granddaughter of a media mogul, and she did indeed spend spring break sailing around the Bahamas in their yacht. So it could be completely legitimate.
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I'd be shocked if that isn't exactly what he's working for. If he has decent lawyers, he already has a plea deal with the prosecutors offering cooperation in exchange for a reduced sentence recommendation. In the end, the sentence is up to the judge, but recommendations from prosecutors (usually) carry a lot of weight.
I am very curious what will happen with all the others. I think his cooperation is pretty much done, so he's probably already cut his deal. If you look at the FBI's affidavit in support of the complaint (https://www.justice.gov/file/1142876/download) you will see that he was cooperating with the FBI and letting them record calls with his customers that were obviously scripted and intended to get the customers to incriminate themselves. Many of calls were under the guise of telling them that his bogus foundation was being audited and that the auditors had asked why the people donated so such money. He would mention what he had done for them and get them to acknowledge it, and then he would get them to agree on a cover story. Take a look at Paragraph 81. He repeated the same thing again and again with other customers.
So, if that's one of the key methods that the FBI was using to obtain evidence through his cooperation, that ship has totally sailed. Nobody is ever going to talk to this guy again. At this point, I'd imagine that the FBI has obtained all the information they're going to get from his cooperation. I have no idea why they haven't gone after the others yet. I'm sure they're all waiting nervously for the other shoe to drop.
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Lori Loughlin’s daughters drop out of USC after admissions scandal
https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2019/03/14/lori-loughlins-daughters-drop-out-of-usc-after-admissions-scandal/amp/
Lori Loughlin‘s daughters are dropping out of the University of Southern California — because they’re afraid of being bullied over the massive college admissions scam that has left them feeling like “a mess,” a report said Thursday.
Olivia Jade, 19, and her sister, 20-year-old Isabella Rose, have decided to withdraw from USC days after their parents, “Fuller House” star Loughlin and her husband, fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli, were charged for allegedly paying the girls’ way into the school, TMZ reported.
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Forget, tSmith and Wchick et. al ... you're wrong and you showing yourself to be an out of touch old white people.
She did something. She created a following that she is able to generate into seven figures a year. (Again it is now gone with the scandal.) This is very hard. Tens of thousands try, few pull it off. She did.
Her niche is makeup and fashion on a budget. This is very popular among teenage girls. Old white guys don't understand this because they are out of touch. (again, I have a 13-year daughter that follows Jade and others like her, and we, read Mom, have spent money to buy clothes based in Jade's recommendations.)
Do you have the same amount of disgust for Lebron and his millions of social media followers? For his TV produced shows. Young teenage girls find LeBron as useless as you find Olivia Jade useless.
Or how about young teenage boys that follow fortnite influencers on YouTube?
Welcome to 2019 old man. Leave your values in the past for the anthropology classes to study. The world is radically different from the days you ran home from school to watch re-runs of Gilligan's Island on WGN.
Most of my friends are Asian or other minorities, trust me old white guys not understanding youtuber makeup girls is wrong....it is old guys regardless of race. None of us get it, but we don’t get women in general and our daughters in this digital age are impossible to figure out.
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Olivia Jade, 19, and her sister, 20-year-old Isabella Rose, have decided to withdraw from USC
Pretentious, much?
Maybe in the future all Scoopers should be required to have a double name.
I could be Jockey Kensington.
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Pretentious, much?
Maybe in the future all Scoopers should be required to have a double name.
I could be Jockey Kensington.
Well, I've got dibs on "Tonto-Epstein". (punch line to an old joke...)
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Carlos Spiceyweiner
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Most of my friends are Asian or other minorities, trust me old white guys not understanding youtuber makeup girls is wrong....it is old guys regardless of race. None of us get it, but we don’t get women in general and our daughters in this digital age are impossible to figure out.
100% agree. That's why I employ a translator ... my wife.
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100% agree. That's why I employ a translator ... my wife.
Mine tries, but she is youngest of nine, so she is old school for sure....this stuff escapes her as well.
She just tries to make sure to get “the tea” on what is happening. ;)
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Like fathers have understood teenage daughters at any point in history. ::) The nature of the father-daughter paradigm has not significantly changed, just the technology through which it is played out.
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https://www.roanoke.com/hokies/sports/mensbasketball/babcock-says-he-believes-buzz-williams-about-martin-fox/article_8bfd524f-649b-501d-a6a1-08953ba5279d.html
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https://www.roanoke.com/hokies/sports/mensbasketball/babcock-says-he-believes-buzz-williams-about-martin-fox/article_8bfd524f-649b-501d-a6a1-08953ba5279d.html
Where there is smoke.......:)
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Pretentious, much?
Maybe in the future all Scoopers should be required to have a double name.
I could be Jockey Kensington.
To be fair Olivia and Isabella are two of the most popular girl's names right now, so they might have needed some differentiation.
Much in the same way my generation had its Mary Anns, Mary Janes, Mary Beths, etc.
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Ron Jeremy heer, hey?
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You are correct - "Social Media Influencer" is a job many young people try to get (and really young - there's a channel where a guy just shows his toddler playing with new toys, makes $1 million a year) and while most of them fail, there are many that catch fire in some way and boom! You're a millionaire!
However, it is very true that the easiest way to make a lot of money on social media is to have exposure some other way, like reality TV or famous families. I took a lot of issue with Time or Forbes or someone calling Kylie Jenner the world's youngest self-made billionaire, because of course she wasn't self-made, she had a leg up on everyone by having people watch her grow up on that KK show chick was talking about. So yes, while its impressive that she's built a beauty empire at 19 or 20, she had advantages that some unknown 19 year old just out of high school did not.
Individuals like Olivia benefit tremendously from their fame. Based on her social media footprint, she would normally make around $10k per product pitched in a video. She makes $30-50k, any social media marketer will tell you the same thing for the large markup, she comes from a wealthy famous family. Guaranteed automatic markup.
Why? They have lots of famous friends that will share their video's etc. People want to be like rich famous people.
There are agents who's sole job is to find famous (particularly young women), and create profiles for them, recruit all kind of followers, and then essentially generate the content for them. The individual just has to want to be internet famous. Some, from famous families, don't want that. They don't want, others like Olivia want to be famous but not do any work. So they love the idea.
The idea that she worked so hard to create this business/image is laughable.
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I’m guessing you work for a college athletic department....am I right?
:)
I may have at one point. :)
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I may have at one point. :)
You ever have to flush anything that wasn’t yours?
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I may have at one point. :)
Did you ever work with Chicos? Other than brushing your teeth in the mirror?
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Did you ever work with Chicos? Other than brushing your teeth in the mirror?
I only know Chicos as a contributor on this board, so unless he kept his posting life on the DL I did not. I believe I'm quite a bit younger than him too if he has older kids.
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the feds coming down hard on the rich and famous. now if this doesn't show that regardless of who you are or how much money you have, there is no 2 tier justice system...hmmm, wait...yeah, everyone puts on their pants...one legged atta time here gosh darn it
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I only know Chicos as a contributor on this board, so unless he kept his posting life on the DL I did not. I believe I'm quite a bit younger than him too if he has older kids.
Any chance you're Too Tan Tommy, hey?
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the feds coming down hard on the rich and famous. now if this doesn't show that regardless of who you are or how much money you have, there is no 2 tier justice system...hmmm, wait...yeah, everyone puts on their pants...one legged atta time here gosh darn it
Affluenza
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Did you ever work with Chicos? Other than brushing your teeth in the mirror?
Good Lord you couldn't be more wrong....but I love the fact that you are so damn wrong on this. Makes me smile.
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I may have at one point. :)
Based on your commentary, I figured.
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the feds coming down hard on the rich and famous. now if this doesn't show that regardless of who you are or how much money you have, there is no 2 tier justice system...hmmm, wait...yeah, everyone puts on their pants...one legged atta time here gosh darn it
Yup, possible to walk and chew gum and go after bad folks regardless of their lot in life. Some don't seem to think that is fair, not sure why not. You break the law, do the time.
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Any chance you're Too Tan Tommy, hey?
I don’t tan. The last time I went to Mexico I had SPF 100 on and still burned. Ah, being Scottish...
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Last night's officiating crew's parent must have bribed the Big East to let them be officials.