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Title: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 11, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
Since we have a thread on taxes, I thought I'd start one on the other inevitability in life: death.

I'm generally against it. Unless you disagree with me, in which case I'm for it.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 11, 2019, 12:51:18 PM
Since we have a thread on taxes, I thought I'd start one on the other inevitability in life: death.

I'm generally against it. Unless you disagree with me, in which case I'm for it.

We all pay the same in death, ultimately. No one escapes, no one gets out alive. The how can vary greatly, of course.

Taxes...yeah...a lot escape.  Mileage will vary significantly.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU82 on February 11, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
My father-in-law is gonna outlive all of us.

I joke to my kids: "In 50 years or so, after Mom and I are gone, y'all are gonna have to take care of Grandpa. He'll only be 142 then, and he'll still have a lot of years left."
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 11, 2019, 01:15:43 PM
My father-in-law is gonna outlive all of us.

I joke to my kids: "In 50 years or so, after Mom and I are gone, y'all are gonna have to take care of Grandpa. He'll only be 142 then, and he'll still have a lot of years left."

Sounds like my FIL. Almost 90 and he still cuts the lawn, paints and maintains the house...and always volunteers to help us when we have painting or house repairs to do. I get tired just watching the guy.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: tower912 on February 11, 2019, 01:18:53 PM
Everybody dies.  How did you live?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 11, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
Keith Richards still lives.
(Although he doesn't drink any more.)
Title: Re: Death
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 11, 2019, 01:22:04 PM
Everybody dies.  How did you live?

Every man dies, not every man truly lives,

Life is short, then you die.

Title: Re: Death
Post by: mikekinsellaMVP on February 11, 2019, 01:33:25 PM
I thought I'd start one on the other inevitability in life: death.

Valar morghulis.

Quote from: GooooMarquette
Since we have a thread on taxes

Valar dohaeris.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Pakuni on February 11, 2019, 01:45:58 PM
Ted Williams begs to differ.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 11, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Keith Richards still lives.
(Although he doesn't drink any more.)
what's the point then?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Jockey on February 11, 2019, 02:28:11 PM
What is this death thing that Scoopers are talking about?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Benny B on February 11, 2019, 02:40:08 PM
What is this death thing that Scoopers are talking about?

Oh, don’t worry.... this one will turn political soon, too.  Then you can have your fun. 
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 11, 2019, 02:42:12 PM
Oh, don’t worry.... this one will turn political soon, too.  Then you can have your fun.

Canadians don’t die.....something about their healthcare system...
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Jockey on February 11, 2019, 02:51:47 PM
Oh, don’t worry.... this one will turn political soon, too.  Then you can have your fun.

What an ignorant response!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: mu03eng on February 11, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
I was for it before I was against it.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Jockey on February 11, 2019, 03:11:26 PM
I was for it before I was against it.

Can't we just opt out?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Pakuni on February 11, 2019, 03:18:05 PM
I was for it before I was against it.

Good to see that someone finally has the courage to take a strong anti-death stance around here. Far too many are unwilling to take on the BIG DEATH lobby.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: CTWarrior on February 11, 2019, 03:41:09 PM
Life is short, then you die.
I used to hate it when I coached and kids would strike out looking.  I used to make the team run laps after every game for every time someone struck out looking.  I used to say over and over again "Life is short, swing the bat."
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Pakuni on February 11, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
I used to hate it when I coached and kids would strike out looking.  I used to make the team run laps after every game for every time someone struck out looking.  I used to say over and over again "Life is short, swing the bat."

Bill James thinks you're a lousy coach.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Sir Lawrence on February 11, 2019, 03:51:21 PM
This can be sobering:

http://deathclock.com/
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 11, 2019, 03:57:07 PM
My GF while I was at MU used to repeat the "live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse" philosophy. It sounded good to me too...until I realized I was well past "young."

Now I just hope to leave a mostly intact corpse....
Title: Re: Death
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 11, 2019, 03:59:06 PM
This can be sobering:

http://deathclock.com/

Love this.   It would only be better if it was sponsored by Arby's.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 11, 2019, 04:33:52 PM
Love this.   It would only be better if it was sponsored by Arby's.


They could tie it together with a database where Arby's tracks your cc information so the clock speeds up every time you buy a Beef & Cheddar or curly fries....
Title: Re: Death
Post by: real chili 83 on February 11, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
The chitter in the lobby of the Hilton smelled of death this past Sunday morning around 6:35 AM. 😱💩😜
Title: Re: Death
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 11, 2019, 05:38:20 PM
...until I realized I was well past "young."

My wife called me today to ask about a hotel room she was reserving for us this weekend.  For the first time in my life, I told her, "check to see if I qualify for a senior discount."  I died a little.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU82 on February 11, 2019, 05:53:31 PM
No, you're never too old to rock 'n' roll
If you're too young to die.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: jsglow on February 11, 2019, 06:27:50 PM
Love this.   It would only be better if it was sponsored by Arby's.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oFzlY8LyahDnZFV96/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Death
Post by: dgies9156 on February 11, 2019, 08:00:36 PM
My wife called me today to ask about a hotel room she was reserving for us this weekend.  For the first time in my life, I told her, "check to see if I qualify for a senior discount."  I died a little.

The standing order I have to my "arrangers" is check on the senior discount. Yeup, I qualify too!

That is so damn scary except that I'm a young early 60s and if my relatives are indication, sometime between 85 and 95 will be my time.

In the meantime, E-N-J-O-Y  T-H-E  R-I-D-E!!!!!!!!!!! Getting there is half the fun and, when the time comes, I'm looking forward to meeting the Almighty One. He'll have as much 'splain to do as I will!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
Canadians don’t die.....something about their healthcare system...

They just spend their lives waiting for care.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: houwarrior on February 12, 2019, 02:12:27 AM
21 grams makes a huge difference.

Please dont think this morbid but in the last 4 years I have lost 6 very close to me and I have been at the deathbed moment of 4 (mom, dad, brother, etc) . At my age its no big deal...just a simple fact of life. I have to admit to finding the moment quite intriguing.

A very religious family I assumed my kin would be so at the last moments. Instead each talked about a peace that had come over them, that they felt a total calmness and each turned down any religious prayer, visitation etc. I reach no judgment, and was merely intrigued they did so.

Most intriguing is how we are here one moment and gone the next. The minute of death something happens. The 21 grams of our life force seems suddenly gone and what is so very striking is how the corpse  is just lifeless flesh. That was no longer my mom, brother etc....I stared at the body and it did not engender any "connection" Actually, weirdly they suddenly did not even resemble themselves in life....its like our memorized vision of loved ones is almost disconnected from the physical.

A point I have learned is that the dying time is not the time to settle up or resolve the open issues...hopefully you have had the good sense to do that much earlier. Instead it is the time to give yourself over to the experience of the dying...spoil them...agree with them....laugh even when forced....say yes to every request. If they ask for someone to be there or not be there respect those wishes. The eureka quote or final wisdom is unlikely and more likely is the odd memory of an insignificant moment or strange observation...as the body shuts down the brain does some odd things. Try to avoid business, property, estate issues ...these should already be done anyway.....and the dying feel little love from an heir concerned or asking over assets. Family unity should overrule all and it gives comfort to the dying to see everyone being nice to each other.

Sorry to actually discuss death... but every moment teaches me. 

Title: Re: Death
Post by: Benny B on February 12, 2019, 02:31:14 PM
A point I have learned is that the dying time is not the time to settle up or resolve the open issues...hopefully you have had the good sense to do that much earlier. Instead it is the time to give yourself over to the experience of the dying...spoil them...agree with them....laugh even when forced....say yes to every request. If they ask for someone to be there or not be there respect those wishes. The eureka quote or final wisdom is unlikely and more likely is the odd memory of an insignificant moment or strange observation...as the body shuts down the brain does some odd things. Try to avoid business, property, estate issues ...these should already be done anyway.....and the dying feel little love from an heir concerned or asking over assets. Family unity should overrule all and it gives comfort to the dying to see everyone being nice to each other.

Sorry to actually discuss death... but every moment teaches me. 


If I had my choice of one thing, this is what I wish I could go back and beat* into to the stubborn teenager that once lived in my shoes. 

Death is what makes your own life worth living... don't let someone else's death ruin it for you.



* Not advocating violence here.  After all, the beating of one's self is the antithesis of violence, provided done away from the public eye.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 12, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
This can be sobering:

http://deathclock.com/

Cripes, this thing has me living to age 99!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU82 on February 12, 2019, 10:43:10 PM
Well I'm not scared of dying, and I don't really care. If it's peace you find in dying well then, let the time be near.

If it's peace you find in dying, well then dying time is near. Just bundle up my coffin 'cause it's cold way down there. I hear that it's cold way down there. Yeah, crazy cold way down there.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: dgies9156 on February 13, 2019, 06:46:52 AM
Me and the Good Lord have a deal.

Don't think about calling until there is at least one more banner hanging next to that "77" banner at the Computing Castle (FiServ Forum). I HAVE to experience that again, especially after the collapse in 1978!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Archies Bat on February 13, 2019, 07:02:44 AM
Cripes, this thing has me living to age 99!

I did mine.

It's been good knowing you  guys.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 13, 2019, 10:24:33 AM
We should integrate the death clock into Scoop .. although that may have a deleterious effect on page views.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 13, 2019, 10:33:36 AM
Cripes, this thing has me living to age 99!

It's got me to 96 which seems like the area some of my great Aunts & Uncles have been hitting and they were pretty healthy until then.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Benny B on February 13, 2019, 10:38:02 AM
Hmmmm.  I'm going to die just a couple weeks prior to my 90th birthday.  Guess I shouldn't plan that big birthday party.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: dgies9156 on February 13, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
Hmmmm.  I'm going to die just a couple weeks prior to my 90th birthday.  Guess I shouldn't plan that big birthday party.

Brother Benny, you can invite me! This thing says I'm going to be 96!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 13, 2019, 10:57:29 AM
"And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime. "
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 13, 2019, 04:30:47 PM
"And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime. "

Sing it, Roger....
Title: Re: Death
Post by: CTWarrior on February 13, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
No Man is an Island'
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

MEDITATION XVII
Devotions upon Emergent Occasions
John Donne
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2019, 10:28:05 PM
No Man is an Island'
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

MEDITATION XVII
Devotions upon Emergent Occasions
John Donne

That's been so over-Donne
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MUEng92 on February 15, 2019, 03:54:30 PM
Thank God I'm not a pessimist.  I would have died in December. 

Life is good and getting better every day.  Yes sir, optimist here.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 15, 2019, 04:43:01 PM
Thank God I'm not a pessimist.  I would have died in December. 

Life is good and getting better every day.  Yes sir, optimist here.


I've decided to be an optimist too. 

'Course I'll probably screw that up like everything else.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Jon on February 19, 2019, 09:28:39 AM
This got me thinking that we have seen several Scoopers fall out of line and go on to The Great Mystery. The one I remember is Trekyfoil.

Who are some of the other Scoopers who have flown off to The Big Hangar?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 19, 2019, 10:28:53 AM
Dying at 73....I can live with that
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 19, 2019, 04:27:09 PM
This got me thinking that we have seen several Scoopers fall out of line and go on to The Great Mystery. The one I remember is Trekyfoil.

Who are some of the other Scoopers who have flown off to The Big Hangar?


Was ParkTheShark a Scooper?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 19, 2019, 05:26:39 PM

Was ParkTheShark a Scooper?

Dont think so.

4ever just smells like he's dead.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: warriorchick on February 19, 2019, 08:12:47 PM
Cripes, this thing has me living to age 99!

98!  But I die right before Christmas.   :(
Title: Re: Death
Post by: dgies9156 on February 19, 2019, 08:15:22 PM
98!  But I die right before Christmas.   :(

Been there done that.

Had a death in our family 12 days before Christmas this past year.

Not a good time for it.

Title: Re: Death
Post by: PTM on February 19, 2019, 08:33:50 PM
85, two years longer than I want.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 19, 2019, 08:37:12 PM
Dying at 73....I can live with that

Tell me that when you're my age (70)!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 19, 2019, 08:45:12 PM
Tell mr that when you're my age (70)!

Good point.  I’m 20 years your junior. My dad died at 62.  My mom’s dad died in his 60’s.  My dad’s dad died in early 70’s.

The genes are not favorable, but I hope they are for you and others.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 19, 2019, 10:07:03 PM
Good point.  I’m 20 years your junior. My dad died at 62.  My mom’s dad died in his 60’s.  My dad’s dad died in early 70’s.

The genes are not favorable, but I hope they are for you and others.

My Dad's Dad died when he was 46. Genes are only a part of the equation and medical science has come a long way. Good luck!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2019, 10:17:35 PM
Here's something so crazy (almost eerie) that it would seem impossible, but it's true:

My mom died in 1997 and my dad died the following year. Each was the exact same age at death: 79 years, 7 months, 8 days.


Title: Re: Death
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2019, 10:29:21 PM
Any one heard from Guru?  I think he croaked Monday when MU slipped out of the Top 10.

Me? Next Tuesday. Damn opioids.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 20, 2019, 08:39:04 AM
Here's something so crazy (almost eerie) that it would seem impossible, but it's true:

My mom died in 1997 and my dad died the following year. Each was the exact same age at death: 79 years, 7 months, 8 days.

That's nuts! .. because ..  My mom and dad both had that happen too, living exactly 67 years, 4 months, XX days.   

Title: Re: Death
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2019, 08:41:03 AM
That's nuts! .. because ..  My mom and dad both had that happen too, living exactly 67 years, 4 months, XX days.

In-freakin-credible, topper.

Grounds for a beer summit, if ever I heard one!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: houwarrior on February 20, 2019, 10:37:01 AM
These same age posts remind me of those times ( I have had a few in my extended family)
......where a longtime married couple dies within days/weeks of the others death.

Its kind of romantic to see how they seem tied so closely together ....all through life...and we presume ...even after their nearly concurrent deaths
Title: Re: Death
Post by: warriorchick on February 20, 2019, 11:58:18 AM
That's nuts! .. because ..  My mom and dad both had that happen too, living exactly 67 years, 4 months, XX days.

Crap!  I am only 13 months older than Glow and I plan to live way longer than him, living it up on his sweet, sweet, life insurance money.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Benny B on February 20, 2019, 01:02:03 PM
Crap!  I am only 13 months older than Glow and I plan to live way longer than him, living it up on his sweet, sweet, life insurance money.

Even though the death clock says he should outlive you, amiright?


On that note, I wonder how many people actually get away with spousicide to collect the insurance money.  Not that she needed any disincentive from poisoning me slowly over time with antifreeze, but personally, I feel pretty safe since my wife paid for my life insurance policy long before she met me (when she received her juris doctorate).  That, and I cook all my own meals.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 20, 2019, 02:33:55 PM
For giggles I changed the "normal" setting to one of the others.  On pessimistic it says I am dying in 6 months.  On Optimistic it says I am living into my late 90's.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 20, 2019, 04:47:57 PM
For giggles I changed the "normal" setting to one of the others.  On pessimistic it says I am dying in 6 months.  On Optimistic it says I am living into my late 90's.


I got pretty much the same so I decided to be optimistic from now on, even though I know I'll probably muck it up.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 20, 2019, 05:27:56 PM
My Dad's Dad died when he was 46. Genes are only a part of the equation and medical science has come a long way. Good luck!

Thank you kindly!
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Cheeks on February 20, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
These same age posts remind me of those times ( I have had a few in my extended family)
......where a longtime married couple dies within days/weeks of the others death.

Its kind of romantic to see how they seem tied so closely together ....all through life...and we presume ...even after their nearly concurrent deaths

Sometimes hours.

My wife’s uncle in West Bend died, his wife went 18 hours later.  It was surreal getting two calls in two days.  You almost had to do a “what...wait...what...she died too?”

Title: Re: Death
Post by: vogue65 on February 22, 2019, 04:18:13 AM
I had no idea so many of you guys and gals were so old.  It makes me think my 75+ is not that far outside the norm.
My freshman roommate,  senior roommate, best friend, MU sweetheart, but never my wife, all passed years ago.  That's probably why I stop by here from time to time for a drink and a few memories, sort of like the PIANO MAN.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 22, 2019, 07:54:27 AM
I had no idea so many of you guys and gals were so old.  It makes me think my 75+ is not that far outside the norm.
My freshman roommate,  senior roommate, best friend, MU sweetheart, but never my wife, all passed years ago. 

Damn.  That's the most beef n cheddar thing ever posted on Scoop.

Title: Re: Death
Post by: jsglow on February 22, 2019, 07:59:33 AM
Crap!  I am only 13 months older than Glow and I plan to live way longer than him, living it up on his sweet, sweet, life insurance money.

 ?-(
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Jockey on February 22, 2019, 02:15:50 PM
?-(

Wasn't that YOUR plan?
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Benny B on February 22, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
?-(

My suggestion is 1) more Arby's (unless Chick gets a job at said Arby's, in which case, eat more of the Arby's that Chick doesn't work at) and 2) start filtering everything Chick gives you to drink through activated carbon.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 23, 2019, 08:58:02 AM
My suggestion is 1) more Arby's (unless Chick gets a job at said Arby's, in which case, eat more of the Arby's that Chick doesn't work at) and 2) start filtering everything Chick gives you to drink through activated carbon.

Solid advice. I'd add 3) Keep syrup of ipecac handy and 4) for extreme emergencies, build a Chick-proof emergency room in the basement, with medical staff on the ready.
Title: Re: Death
Post by: Sir Lawrence on February 26, 2019, 07:27:02 PM
Interesting article on hospice patients:

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/02/25/hospice-buffalo-death-dreams-study/