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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DoctorV on January 15, 2019, 10:25:08 PM
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I’ve mentioned this before but this season has already had so many great moments, and it’s felt like it’s been a long time coming.
Another amazing game tonight, just phenomenal by so many of the guys and everyone involved with the program deserves credit.
I can’t help get my mind off the elephant in the room though- this team needs a healthy Markus for the magic to continue.
Here’s to a quick recovery to our Mr. All American
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A healthy Markus & Morrow are crucial to reaching the pretty high ceiling this team has
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I'm going to throw it out there - am expecting both to play significant minutes on Sunday!
And, BB will play way more than JCS for the remainder of the season.
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A healthy Markus & Morrow are crucial to reaching the pretty high ceiling this team has
Yessir.
I'm going to throw it out there - am expecting both to play significant minutes on Sunday!
And, BB will play way more than JCS for the remainder of the season.
I tried really hard to be patient with JCS, but I have to admit it's tough after tonight.
We desperately needed him to do what he was brought to Marquette for, and not only didn't he do it, he was a net negative. Quite disappointed.
Can we get away with never playing a true back-up PG? Can Sam/Sacar give Markus enough of a break to keep Markus fresh (especially if his balky back necessitates him getting more breathers)? What about quicker, better-coached teams who might press us? All things to look for going forward.
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I'm with you Mike. Was giving JC the benefit of the doubt up until the start of conference play, started to wain after the first few games, and after tonight my dreams of a JC and Markus starting back court have pretty much disappeared.
Definitely the most disappointing grad transfer since I started following Marquette. Hopefully he shows something in the next couple of games.
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I'm with you Mike. Was giving JC the benefit of the doubt up until the start of conference play, started to wain after the first few games, and after tonight my dreams of a JC and Markus starting back court have pretty much disappeared.
Definitely the most disappointing grad transfer since I started following Marquette. Hopefully he shows something in the next couple of games.
I actually thought he played well against St. John's, and also had a few decent NC games. But these last 4 games he's been bad -- this one in particular, when it looked like we would have to get a good game from him to have a chance. Thankfully, our "emergency QBs" did just fine. Better than fine, actually.
I could see Wojo giving him another chance or two, because he obviously wants JCS to succeed. But maybe not.
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Same here about being patient with JCS. I thought he needed to be a polished ball handler, a high assist pass first pg and a lockdown defender, and he needed to play 25-30 mins/gm for us to be successful.
Now, I am fine with him in mop-up duty assuming that Markus can stay healthy.
Of course, I didn't think Markus would be in the NCAA POY conversation half way through the year either.
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JC's defense is still solid....but his offense is an absolute mess. Tower said it best, when Wojo gave the order to shoot the open shot with confidence, he was tentative. I think he has a role moving forward but this was his big shot and he gave us nothing.
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A bounce pass.... in the paint.... to Matt Heldt? At least he wasn't throwing it past guys out of bounds on the side, so he's varying the ways he turns it over.
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I'm going to throw it out there - am expecting both to play significant minutes on Sunday!
And, BB will play way more than JCS for the remainder of the season.
It helps that our mid week game is "early" on a Tuesday and our weekend game is "late" on Sunday. That's 4 days or rest. If we were trying to make a Thursday-Saturday turnaround I'd be more doubtful about MH's status.
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Yes, we all want Markus to get healthy soon. Yes, Chartouny has not played well. But I haven't given up on him yet. I do, however, acknowledge that he has not yet consistently lived up to expectations.
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Can we get away with never playing a true back-up PG? Can Sam/Sacar give Markus enough of a break to keep Markus fresh (especially if his balky back necessitates him getting more breathers)? What about quicker, better-coached teams who might press us? All things to look for going forward.
I’m not sure, and I fear that back spasms are not remedied by more breathers. They seem to be debilitating or......you can go—little in between. I hope this gets corrected and it’s not a “what could have been” season.
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I’m not sure, and I fear that back spasms are not remedied by more breathers. They seem to be debilitating or......you can go—little in between. I hope this gets corrected and it’s not a “what could have been” season.
And a headache can be a brain tumor.
I prefer being a "glass is half full" kind of person.
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It helps that our mid week game is "early" on a Tuesday and our weekend game is "late" on Sunday. That's 4 days or rest. If we were trying to make a Thursday-Saturday turnaround I'd be more doubtful about MH's status.
Totally agree. Back spasms are crazy. They can crop up out of basically nowhere and with treatment be gone after they finally relax. Markus even looked more limber on the bench in the second half and was routinely celebrating with his teammates. I think he'll be just fine after getting daily treatment this week.
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It's been a long time since I've had something in common with a college basketball POY candidate. Sucks that it's a sore back. Except I spent the whole weekend in my recliner due to a nasty cold annnnddddd I'm approaching 49 y.o. But other than that, we're like twins
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And a headache can be a brain tumor.
I prefer being a "glass is half full" kind of person.
? Good for you!
Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China.
I am not sure more breaks during a game is an effective way to combat back spasms. Either you have them and can’t play or you can.
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I’m likely in the minority but I actually felt bad for J Chartouney last night. He just has had this look lately of someone who levels up and begins to realize that maybe he just isn’t as good as he thought, maybe not for this level. This would probably explain the appearance of lack of confidence.
Personally, I’m most disappointed by the quality of his defense with regards to constantly pressuring other guards and forcing turnovers. When you hear steals leader in the country you expect a ball hawk, but maybe it’s a lack of speed thing
Don’t forget he isn’t alone in struggling at a higher level though. Last I checked Joe Cremo, who was supposed to be a better pickup than our cup of Joe, isn’t exactly lighting the world on fire at Nova. It’ll be interesting to see if either of them get going late in the season to make a difference for a conference title push
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Yes, we all want Markus to get healthy soon. Yes, Chartouny has not played well. But I haven't given up on him yet. I do, however, acknowledge that he has not yet consistently lived up to expectations.
JC hasn't played very well and I am in agreement with other folks that he doesn't really deserve much playing time. But... Bailey was in the same category prior to last night IMO, I am hopeful that JC does a 180 and gives MU good minutes, not holding my breath though. Could really use him if teams start pressing.
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Joey and Jamal haven’t played all that great of late so yes, their time will be cut. But they will still be given the opportunity to get in there and play, and if they contribute, playing time will increase.
BB played 1 minute over the weekend. Gets put in last night and contributes and plays 27 minutes.
Want to play more? Contribute. Do your job.
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Chartouny was an unsung hero against Creighton with Sacar fouling out. The last two games have not been good. I believe he still has many contributions left. Though, not as many as I thought he might have at the start of the year.
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Joey and Jamal haven’t played all that great of late so yes, their time will be cut. But they will still be given the opportunity to get in there and play, and if they contribute, playing time will increase.
BB played 1 minute over the weekend. Gets put in last night and contributes and plays 27 minutes.
Want to play more? Contribute. Do your job.
Joey's averaging 12 and 5 in conference with an eFG% north of 60, not sure you can ask too much more from him without a large spike in usage.
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JC hasn't played very well and I am in agreement with other folks that he doesn't really deserve much playing time. But... Bailey was in the same category prior to last night IMO, I am hopeful that JC does a 180 and gives MU good minutes, not holding my breath though. Could really use him if teams start pressing.
JC can and will contribute but but the door opened up for BB; he showed his game in a tough place. Our fans in DC loved it even the GT folks were impressed by his length and versatility. He will be a tough match-up in BE play and he can flat out shoot it!
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Joey and Jamal haven’t played all that great of late so yes, their time will be cut. But they will still be given the opportunity to get in there and play, and if they contribute, playing time will increase.
BB played 1 minute over the weekend. Gets put in last night and contributes and plays 27 minutes.
Want to play more? Contribute. Do your job.
Joey? He does a zillion valuable things on the court. He is the least of our problems.
Thankfully we don't have that many problems compared to the rest of the teams in the conference, especially if Markus gets back soon.
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Joey's averaging 12 and 5 in conference with an eFG% north of 60, not sure you can ask too much more from him without a large spike in usage.
He had me perplexed with that statement as well.
I’m going to assuming hes referring to Joseph as “joey”.
Otherwise I’m perplexed. Cuz Joey Hauser isn’t losing minutes.
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Chartouney, Cain, Bailey, and Heldt will all contribute in games when the matchups are favorable. Don't give up on any of them.
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Didn't see Wojo's presser and not seeing it on the MU site.
Does anybody know what he said about Markus and Morrow, especially regarding their status for Sunday?
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Chartouney, Cain, Bailey, and Heldt will all contribute in games when the matchups are favorable. Don't give up on any of them.
Plus Tax.
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Well after last night's win Wojo should bring Markus in only in the 2nd half where he can score 40 and put the opposition away.
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when do you think we will get a status update on Markus and Morrow?
I would imagine theres no incentive in letting it be known too early so that providence has less time to prepare for the lineup they will likely see but maybe not.
Really hope we get one or both back by sunday.
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when do you think we will get a status update on Markus and Morrow?
Sunday morning.
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when do you think we will get a status update on Markus and Morrow?
I would imagine theres no incentive in letting it be known too early so that providence has less time to prepare for the lineup they will likely see but maybe not.
Really hope we get one or both back by sunday.
Call Vegas, they know everything!
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Joey? He does a zillion valuable things on the court. He is the least of our problems.
Thankfully we don't have that many problems compared to the rest of the teams in the conference, especially if Markus gets back soon.
The thing that stood out for me with Bailey was his on ball defense, he stayed locked-on their shifty/fast PG and had some nice blocks and help D too
Hoping that Jamal gets some burn too, maybe his breakout game is coming
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Markus has had back spasms in the past. Hope this is not a recurring issue for him.
https://usatodayhss.com/2015/allarizona-g-markus-howard-transferring-to-national-power-findlay-prep
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Chartouney, Cain, Bailey, and Heldt will all contribute in games when the matchups are favorable. Don't give up on any of them.
Agree. But after last night, I suspect Brendan moved past Joseph on the depth chart.
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Concerned that since Wojo intimated this thing has acted up a little lately when he does return he will either be hesitant to drive And/or opponents will be eager to put him on the ground when he does - such is life for a stud
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Get some icy hot on there and it will be fine. That was the solution our high school golf coach used for everything. Granted he was the former football coach who had gotten too senile for the job, but he’d rub it in with the roughest towel he could find and send you on your way. Don’t think a single player missed a match all season.
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Joey and Jamal haven’t played all that great of late so yes, their time will be cut. But they will still be given the opportunity to get in there and play, and if they contribute, playing time will increase.
BB played 1 minute over the weekend. Gets put in last night and contributes and plays 27 minutes.
Want to play more? Contribute. Do your job.
Are you nuts? Joey has been playing great. He's a good candidate for BE freshman of the year.
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Are you nuts? Joey has been playing great. He's a good candidate for BE freshman of the year.
Joey Confusion.
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Get some icy hot on there and it will be fine. That was the solution our high school golf coach used for everything. Granted he was the former football coach who had gotten too senile for the job, but he’d rub it in with the roughest towel he could find and send you on your way. Don’t think a single player missed a match all season.
“When I was a kid, that's all we had was Robitussin. Whatever you got, Robitussin better handle it. I broke my leg once, daddy poured Robitussin all over it.“
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Agree. But after last night, I suspect Brendan moved past Joseph on the depth chart.
JC will play and if he struggles he will have a short hook...same approach Wojo has taken with BB and Cain.
JC just needs to stop thinking and start ballin' and he'll be fine
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Joseph is hesitant in passing and shooting. He needs to get over that hurdle and all will be better.
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Judging by how Brendan shut down Akinjo, maybe his confidence problem comes from Bailey guarding him in practice??
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Markus clearly needs to swish with more Listerine
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Totally agree. Back spasms are crazy. They can crop up out of basically nowhere and with treatment be gone after they finally relax. Markus even looked more limber on the bench in the second half and was routinely celebrating with his teammates. I think he'll be just fine after getting daily treatment this week.
Hope you are right but are you a Dr? Or just a Holiday Inn specialist?
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Call Vegas, they know everything!
And frequently are correct.
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I slept at a La Quita last nite
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I slept at a La Quita last nite
Did Tom Bodett forget to leave a light on?
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JSOnline says Markus and Ed questionable - would be tough without both again
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Probably needs a whirlpool and a good hand massage, hey?
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Wojo reiterated that Markus and Ed were questionable on the radio show tonight. Just my interpretation, but I thought he didn’t seem at all concerned that either were expected to be long-term injuries, but that neither were sure things for Sunday. Said they’ll wait until Markus is 100% to bring him back,
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Scuttlebutt from Providence seems to be that Reeves won't be ready for Sunday. I wonder if that has any bearing on how Wojo handles Markus and Ed. Believes that we should be able to handle Providence at home without Reeves so why not be conservative?
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My office manager's pastor has a niece at Marquette who said her roommate saw Markus at Burger King. He appeared fine with good posture despite the uncomfortable bench seating.
Ordered onion rings, but skipped the zesty sauce. Concerning.
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My office manager's pastor has a niece at Marquette who said her roommate saw Markus at Burger King. He appeared fine with good posture despite the uncomfortable bench seating.
Ordered onion rings, but skipped the zesty sauce. Concerning.
BK instead of Arby's?
Say it ain't so!
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For an online rumor site, these rumors are decidedly unsatisfying. I might have to think about cancelling my subscription.
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BK instead of Arby's?
Say it ain't so!
It's tough to blame Markus about the choice. The closest Arby's is Miller Park Way and he's too young to drive an automobile still.
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Was he wearing some kind of walking torso boot?
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For an online rumor site, these rumors are decidedly unsatisfying. I might have to think about cancelling my subscription.
Good luck getting your money back, the mods are some real skinflints
*ducks behind banhammer proof wall*
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A story line to keep in mind is Greg Elliot. If it seems like Markus will miss more time, we could see Greg's redshirt lifted.
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A story line to keep in mind is Greg Elliot. If it seems like Markus will miss more time, we could see Greg's redshirt lifted.
I actually kind of doubt that. Between the spin up time for Greg to game speed and how much season is left it just doesn't make sense unless Markus is out for the season
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A story line to keep in mind is Greg Elliot. If it seems like Markus will miss more time, we could see Greg's redshirt lifted.
Gonna agree with eng here saveO. That would be a last resort kind of thing and there's no indication that Markus is anything other than day to day.
This has probably been a good week to do more classroom practice rather than hard physical practice allowing these guys to get their bodies back in shape. They had played 5 games in exactly 2 weeks, mostly pressure packed one possession types. The mini break of Tuesday-Sunday had to be welcome by all. They've got another 4 game stretch without any breaks beginning Sunday before a much quieter 6 games the entirety of February.
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I actually kind of doubt that. Between the spin up time for Greg to game speed and how much season is left it just doesn't make sense unless Markus is out for the season
Wojo said on his show last night that Markus would definitely be back....he was just vague on when it would be.....up to the doctors and Markus.
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If they think Markus could be out more than a game or two, I think Elliott could be in play. It may depend on how rusty he looks in practice. Wojo (rightfully so) seems to have lost all confidence in JC. If the redshirt discussion had not occurred until today (even taking Howard's injury out of the equation), I tend to think Elliott would be playing this year, just to have a second point guard available. The guys stepped up against Georgetown, but you can't really have forwards bringing up the ball for an extended stretch of games. With a team that is capable of winning the Big East, MU doesn't want to let the lack of a point guard cost them a couple games.
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I don’t see the possibility of lifting Elliott’s redshirt as at all realistic
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I don’t see the possibility of lifting Elliott’s redshirt as at all realistic
Especially after "a game or two". It would take Greg just as long to get up to speed as it would for Markus to fully recover, and we would have wasted an entire season of Greg's talent for what - DePaul and Xavier?
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I don’t see the possibility of lifting Elliott’s redshirt as at all realistic
Agreed and if you're Greg, other than being a nice guy why do it?
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Agreed and if you're Greg, other than being a nice guy why do it?
Get run on a top 15 team
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Guys, while I have zero inside info, you all do appreciate that Wojo is making Ed's game planning as tough as possible.
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Get run on a top 15 team
He can do it on a top 10 team next year
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I am pretty confident we'll see Markus on Sunday
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I think of the Years marked by health issues that causes a too early end to the Season. Hopefully all will be well...
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I heard Markus is gonna listen to Pippen and sit out the rest of the year to get ready for the NBA draft.
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I heard Markus is gonna listen to Pippen and sit out the rest of the year to get ready for the NBA draft.
But is MU benefiting from Markus, or is Markus benefiting from MU?
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@BenSteeleMJS
Coach Wojciechowski: Ed Morrow (ankle) and Markus Howard (back) are questionable for Sunday's game. They are continuing to get treatment but Wojo said "at this point it'd be premature to say that they're going to play." #mubb
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Get run on a top 15 team
He can do that next year
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He can do that next year
And be healthy...
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And be healthy...
From the latest Inside MU Basketball episode, it looks like GE is practicing with the full-speed with the team, including in their simulated game during finals week. If they're doing that, I'm imagining he's healthy enough to play right now. Even so, I don't see them pulling the redshirt at this point, since it's likely Markus won't miss more than a game or two. Tuesday proved that we don't necessarily need a primary ball handler, and I think the "Wojo has totally given up hope on JC" talk isn't true.
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Guys, while I have zero inside info, you all do appreciate that Wojo is making Ed's game planning as tough as possible.
Mind games, there are no injuries
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From the latest Inside MU Basketball episode, it looks like GE is practicing with the full-speed with the team, including in their simulated game during finals week. If they're doing that, I'm imagining he's healthy enough to play right now. Even so, I don't see them pulling the redshirt at this point, since it's likely Markus won't miss more than a game or two. Tuesday proved that we don't necessarily need a primary ball handler, and I think the "Wojo has totally given up hope on JC" talk isn't true.
I agree that they won't pull the redshirt but just because we managed to pull off a win againt Georgetown doesn't mean we don't need a primary ball handler.
A different opponent might have made the opposite clear.
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If the staff thought Greg would help us these last 13 games, the.BET and NCAA games, they might consider pulling the red shirt
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If the staff thought Greg would help us these last 13 games, the.BET and NCAA games, they might consider pulling the red shirt
I have to think Greg and his family would have some say in any decision. He may not want to forfeit a year to step in late in the season. Besides, it would only be arguably necessary if Markus was out for an extended period (no reason to believe that is the case), and if that were the case, the team's ceiling without him probably does not warrant giving up the redshirt.
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Of course it would be up to GE, just like the original decision was. But when he made that decision, the assumption was that he would be behind JC in minutes distribution. I’m not sure that assumption would hold now. Hopefully it’s a moot point and Markus will be back.
And on the Georgetown game that was an amazing win with no pg, but that’s not the model going forward. Others will game plan for that.
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Of course it would be up to GE, just like the original decision was. But when he made that decision, the assumption was that he would be behind JC in minutes distribution. I’m not sure that assumption would hold now. Hopefully it’s a moot point and Markus will be back.
And on the Georgetown game that was an amazing win with no pg, but that’s not the model going forward. Others will game plan for that.
Why would he assume he was behind JC? Greg went against him in practice and knows he (Greg) is the better player.