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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on January 15, 2019, 07:15:24 PM
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Bulldog livers on the menu.
Ahoya always beats a Hoya.
Sam for SOTG.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
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According to the board here in DC Bailey is getting the start over Joey? Not sure that is right but that is what it says. Joey is not hurt he is warming up.
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Yo Chili
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Ed Morrow is out.
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According to the board here in DC Bailey is getting the start over Joey? Not sure that is right but that is what it says. Joey is not hurt he is warming up.
I think he did his mission in DC and maybe that has something to do with it.
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We got this.
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According to the board here in DC Bailey is getting the start over Joey? Not sure that is right but that is what it says. Joey is not hurt he is warming up.
It is now changed to Joey.
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The dreaded not 7:30pm actually 7:45pm start.
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Patrick Ewing complementary of MU's Hausey brothers
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Ed Morrow is out.
Dont like this...his size and speed would have been nice to have against govan. Theo needs to avoid foul trouble.
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MH with back spasms!
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Howard’s back >:(
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Good call so far Chili. Gonna need Sammy with Markus having spasms.
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Patrick Ewing complementary of MU's Hausey brothers
Saw that - good stuff.
Ewing made an art of traveling during his career.
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MH with back spasms!
Need Sam to stay hot....
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Attendance is pretty lame. Good MU showing maybe 10% maybe more.
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Chart with another beauty of a pass
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This will be significantly more difficult without Howard.
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Lord. Again. Tooney what is he doing. Terrible passes.
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Take care of the ball JC come on
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Every time Chartouny gets the ball I get nervous
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
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This will be significantly more difficult without Howard.
You are a master of understatement.
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Sammy bringing up the ball now.
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
Yawn...
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
LET IT BE KNOWN!!!!
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
Lol nah not really. We were a 2 point favorite with Howard.
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I love sacars moves to the hoop but man he struggles to finish
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This is not looking good without Howard in there. Makes defending us a lot easier and chartouny isn't exactly Jason kidd
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Little ‘Zo should have been T’d up. They’ve called Theo for much less.
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Would be nice to have Greg Elliot right now.
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
I see you are happy again. Means MU is losing.
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This team without Markus on the floor is scary
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I kinda dig the 4 forward lineup with Sacar and Joey bringing the ball up. I’d you gotta play without Markus, I like the Sacar, Joey, Sam sharing the de facto PG duties.
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
Ok, but you would be wrong. Look at the teams Georgetown has taken to OT in their building already with fully healthy squads. St John’s being one of them.
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No Morrow
No Markus
No Joe C., goodness he better step it up. Too many lazy passes.
McClung averages 12 a game, has 10 already.
Wojo said next man up. Not good sign for Markus
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Really miss Pat Morita right now.
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Baileys time to show what he can do!!!!!!
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I kinda dig the 4 forward lineup with Sacar and Joey bringing the ball up. I’d you gotta play without Markus, I like the Sacar, Joey, Sam sharing the de facto PG duties.
Agree. Chart is struggling.
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I checked here first and expected to be down about 15, and MU is only down 3? Relax people. Christ alive...
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
Why do we care what you do not want to hear?
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Really miss Pat Morita right now.
Arnold?
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From that "huddle" w/Wojo .. telling the team "next man up" .. kinda seems like he was suggesting Markus is done for the night.
.. Also .. Chartouny must lead the BE in unforced turnovers.
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Wojo said next man up. Not good sign for Markus
Our best chance is to turn this into a slow grinder.
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Arnold?
Karate Kid Pat Morita for the back spasms.
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I checked here first and expected to be down about 15, and MU is only down 3? Relax people. Christ alive...
+1
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Ok, but you would be wrong. Look at the teams Georgetown has taken to OT in their building already with fully healthy squads. St John’s being one of them.
MU is STILL the better team...and besides, Markus being out allows most to just "shrug off" a loss.
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This is the time for Chartouny to step up and show his value. Horrendous start for him. Truly struggles to even complete an initial pass to get into the offense. It really is amazing to see from a grad transfer. Just make a simple pass.
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Good to see BB hit the three. Keep it up
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JCs best value is to keep the pines warm for guys ready to play.
Unforced TOs are his MO
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Crazy we have to use the Hausers at pg because Chartouny couldn’t fill the role. Hopefully he’ll settle down when he gets back in.
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MU is STILL the better team...and besides, Markus being out allows most to just "shrug off" a loss.
Visual approximation of muguru right now:
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/02/south-park-1200x675.jpg)
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Wouldnt markus be back with the PT / med staff of he was really out for the game???
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Wouldnt markus be back with the PT / med staff of he was really out for the game???
no
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Visual approximation of mugu right now:
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/02/south-park-1200x675.jpg)
Nailed it
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Visual approximation of mugu right now:
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/02/south-park-1200x675.jpg)
I'm sure you are loving this Vander...no Markus now, so if they lose, you can just go "eh, i expected it without Markus". Not that losses have ever bothered you regardless...just sayin'.
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sac/joey/matt/bb/jamal!
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This is the time for Chartouny to step up and show his value. Horrendous start for him. Truly struggles to even complete an initial pass to get into the offense. It really is amazing to see from a grad transfer. Just make a simple pass.
I hate to say it but he ain’t a D1 player.
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Did markus ever go in the back to get looked at i missed it
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sac/joey/matt/bb/jamal!
I like it. Jamal playing great D tonight
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no
Not sure why - regardless of whether he's out or not - he's not getting some sort of treatment
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Wouldnt markus be back with the PT / med staff of he was really out for the game???
Not necessarily if he’s out. More likely if we hoped to get him back tonight.
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MU is STILL the better team...and besides, Markus being out allows most to just "shrug off" a loss.
Ken pom says we win WITH Markus by a few points, but we are supposed to ignore a NPOY candidate not playing?
Come on.
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I'm sure you are loving this Vander...no Markus now, so if they lose, you can just go "eh, i expected it without Markus". Not that losses have ever bothered you regardless...just sayin'.
So if Marquette wins, should we expect heaps of praise for winning without Markus!?!
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY excuses on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO EXCUSES..step it up...still the better team.
I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY complaining on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO QUESTION..we are not the same team.
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I'm sure you are loving this Vander...no Markus now, so if they lose, you can just go "eh, i expected it without Markus". Not that losses have ever bothered you regardless...just sayin'.
Comical how stupid your post is.
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Ken pom says we win WITH Markus by a few points, but we are supposed to ignore a NPOY candidate not playing?
Come on.
He thinks Duke losing to FSU was unexcusable
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Anybody have an idea what it was. Pulled hammy or something. No ice. No active treatment ???? Come on willis reed. Walk out of that tunnel for the second half
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Our length on D will be big for.this game
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I hate to say it but he ain’t a D1 player.
He certainly aint a guy who should be getting major minutes at a high major school. The back up role suits him fine. Disappointing.
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Not sure why - regardless of whether he's out or not - he's not getting some sort of treatment
More than enough time for PT later. Anyhow, one of the effective long term treatments for back spasms is rest. He can do that on the bench.
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This is a game where Joe C really needs to show up. Other guys can make it work, but having Sam or Joey or Sacar playing out of position with Markus out makes a bad situation worse.
Brendan seems to be up to the challenge so far, on the plus side.
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Ken pom says we win WITH Markus by a few points, but we are supposed to ignore a NPOY candidate not playing?
Come on.
Yes, do you watch college basketball?? Can you judge talent?? This is still a MORE talented MU team. Period.
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A lot of sloppy turnovers
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Georgetown is horrible. More importantly, I have big time confidence in the Hauser boys. They know ball.
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It would be nice if in this situation we could count on our 2g to bring up the ball and make a pass
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McClung's hair is stupid.
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Bailey ripping some boards good to see
Joey H looks really slow off the dribble. Not a good look. Needs to get fed for the catch and shoot
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Played the half with 0 guards.
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It would be nice if in this situation we could count on our 2g to bring up the ball and make a pass
Yawn.
Ban over already?
You and guru should grab some beers.
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Georgetown is horrible. More importantly, I have big time confidence in the Hauser boys. They know ball.
Right on.
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This is kinda fun. And probably exactly what this team needed. Should be a fun rest of this game!
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McClung's hair is stupid.
He looks like Macura, so I will apply all hated of him to McClung
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Guys have definitely stepped up in MHs absence. Need to get out on their shooters. Too many open 3s
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I hate to say it but he ain’t a D1 player.
This is a super bad take:
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Surprised it took them so long to bring pressure.
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Bailey/Cain getting valuable experience.
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We absolutely need Sacar finishing at the rim tonight to open things up
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Amen to sacar finishing on his slashes. Thats asking a lot though
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Sacar has no touch at the rim
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Let Joey and Sam run the offense .
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Bailey/Cain getting valuable experience.
That's my take away in this game.
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Long run this could be a positive, assuming MH is back this weekend.
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY complaining on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO QUESTION..we are not the same team.
Well hello Captain obvious...of course they aren't the same team...but STILL better than Georgetown. They aren't ranked #15 for nothing. Come people, have a little confidence in this team.
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Are we sure MH is done???
Cant they tank him up w some fluids or something for the spasms?
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Long run this could be a positive, assuming MH is back this weekend.
From the looks of it, the players seem motivated given the situation. No lack of energy tonight.
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Win or lose, this will be a reminder that this team can compete when not watching Markus take over.
On another note, Anim should not be allowed to take 3s that are not corner 3s
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So if Marquette wins, should we expect heaps of praise for winning without Markus!?!
We hang a banner, obviously.
"Beat Georgetown*"
*no MH
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Well hello Captain obvious...of course they aren't the same team...but STILL better than Georgetown. They aren't ranked #15 for nothing. Come people, have a little confidence in this team.
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Long run this could be a positive, assuming MH is back this weekend.
Yes...ONLY if they win however.
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Georgetown is shooting 63.0% eFG%. They've been better once this season. #mubb defense can lower that in the second half even without Markus and Ed. Hoyas 40, #mubb 37.
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Thought they hung in there well. It’ll be tough to win but hopefully somebody can step up in the 2nd.
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We should not lose to these guys, with or without howard
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One of my friends is sitting directly behind Markus.
I texted him and asked him why he isn't massaging Markus's back for him.
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Are we sure MH is done???
Cant they tank him up w some fluids or something for the spasms?
Amen. He looked fine in the shoot around. Get him loosened up and out there. That said GU is not that great. No Marcus, no Ed and their home flooor. I can’t believe we are within three.
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Yes...ONLY if they win however.
Wrong. As wrong as anyone could possibly be.
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This is kinda fun. And probably exactly what this team needed. Should be a fun rest of this game!
Losing their best player is always good for an athletic team. And fun.
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Defense fell apart at the end of the half. That end of the floor will decide this game
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Defense fell apart at the end of the half. That end of the floor will decide this game
Yep.
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One of my friends is sitting directly behind Markus.
I texted him and asked him why he isn't massaging Markus's back for him.
MH = MILF Hunter, aina?
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Defense fell apart at the end of the half. That end of the floor will decide this game
Exactly. An offensive drop off with MH out is understandable but not a defensive drop off. Way too many open 3s and lanes to the basket. JC doesn’t look like he can contribute offensively but he needs to be a lockdown defender in the second half
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Why hasn’t Markus been in the locker room receiving treatment the whole first half.
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Well hello Captain obvious...of course they aren't the same team...but STILL better than Georgetown. They aren't ranked #15 for nothing. Come people, have a little confidence in this team.
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Why hasn’t Markus been in the locker room receiving treatment the whole first half.
Some disc injuries need surgery, hey
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GU has been wide open for their 3s - need to play much better D.
GU ended half on a 13-4 run.
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Some disc injuries need surgery, hey
Stop it.
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Why hasn’t Markus been in the locker room receiving treatment the whole first half.
What treatments would you suggest for isolated back spasms?
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Our guys mostly stepped up well in the first half. Sam looks comfortable being the leader on the floor right now, and the other starters are doing their part so far. Brendan and Matt have made nice contributions off the bench. If we can get Jamal and Joe C going, we'll be just fine.
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Why hasn’t Markus been in the locker room receiving treatment the whole first half.
Maybe this was the plan all along...Markus is fine, but they are lulling Georgetown into a false sense of confidence as Ewing completely reworks his gameplan for a Marquette team without Howard at halftime, then we come out and Markus drops 60 in the second half on the unsuspecting Hoyas.
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Just tell Theo that the rim called him a craphead, and then let him dunk it every time down the court to get even.
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Hopefully they can give him another go. Not really a high risk move to try him again, playin on a rolled ankle etc would be a lot more concerning
Didnt james use to come back into games from severe spasms???
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I will say it right now...I do NOT want to see/hear ANY complaining on this board IF MU loses this game without Markus..NO QUESTION..we are not the same team.
No we are not the same team; but it would be nice to see if we can play better without Markus than with him. This game will force the other guys to step up rather than just waiting for MH to take over the game. I hope Wojo sits Howard and lets the other guys know they can win without our stop scorer. I can't imagine a better confidence builder than that. Remember we are also play ing without Morrow as well.
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Some disc injuries need surgery, hey
Not for isolated back spasms.
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I think this board would fall into an Internet black hole if not for teal. Good lord...
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Defense fell apart at the end of the half. That end of the floor will decide this game
Dare I say that they might need more Bailey for defense? He was big on the boards, beating screens, and even added a few buckets.
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That's the best shooting from Georgetown I've seen all season. Think we get some regression to the mean. Question is, can the team generate enough offense without Markus? They did well during the first half, let's keep that up. Would be nice if we could get anything on offense from the JCs.
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Amen to sacar finishing on his slashes. Thats asking a lot though
Really makes it hard when he cannot use his left hand and has to use right hand or twist 180 deg from the left side.
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it would be nice to see if we can play better without Markus than with him.
wat
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Chartouny came in and my bride and I simultaneously said “Oh, sh!t.” I didn’t think after a couple of his good games earlier (against lesser opponents) that I would feel this way.
This should guarantee him a great second half. That’s what usually happens if I diss someone.
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wat
To be fair, it would be nice... ;D
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Hopefully they can give him another go. Not really a high risk move to try him again, playin on a rolled ankle etc would be a lot more concerning
Didnt james use to come back into games from severe spasms???
Did you honestly just say there's no risk in playing someone with a potential back injury?
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To me, biggest concern is how many wide open 3's / easy baskets gtown is getting, and making, by guys who are way above there average ppg. Just a extra unexpected boost thats makes a average gtowm team much tougher to beat without your best player.
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This is a super bad take:
Agreed high major D1... not so much
Mid major D1... pretty darn good
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Game is winnable with three out of the first eight guys in your rotation not playing. That includes Joe C. who played like his head is up his butt. He's gonna get an earful at halftime, believe staff lost all confidence in him after a bad turnover, bad foul and bad shot in two minute timeframe. Having Sam bring up ball, well...
Hope the offense looks for Sam, he needs to shot alot more than Sacar is doing, a lot more.
McClung went nuts in beginning, Johnson who averages 3 points a game has 10 and hasn't missed, and Govan sort of in check. Remember, Mourning and Leblanc went to bench early with fouls, they will return. Not good for MU.
Like J5 said, fun to watch though.
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That's the best shooting from Georgetown I've seen all season. Think we get some regression to the mean. Question is, can the team generate enough offense without Markus? They did well during the first half, let's keep that up. Would be nice if we could get anything on offense from the JCs.
Why is it always the best shooting game for a team, its getting old.
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No...you are missing my point...I know the posters on this board(so many who EXPECT losses on the road, which is just weird)...They will talk about how this was an "amazing" win, and how they are so shocked they did it without Markus...No...you shouldn't be. This would NOT be David Slaying Goliath here people...This is STILL a better team then Georgetown, with or without Markus...and my point is, for those that are always "expecting losses"(especially in this one) are discrediting the rest of the talent on this team. Of course Markus is important, and if it was/is a long term injury, by all means that changes things, but for ONE game, against this team, it shouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle. This isn't Georgetown with Ewing playing.
Not to knock anyone on this board, but it's really about being able to judge talent. Without Markus MU STILL has more talented players than Georgetown. It really is that simple. Now, does talent win out all the time?? No, but all things being equal, it will be a vast majority of the time. Have some confidence!
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Why is it always the best shooting game for a team, its getting old.
If this were last year, this would be an appropriate take.
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Dare I say that they might need more Bailey for defense? He was big on the boards, beating screens, and even added a few buckets.
I liked Cain on the PG too. Lots of length
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Did you honestly just say there's no risk in playing someone with a potential back injury?
Gonna see a lot of Ike in the second half?
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Twitter says Markus is out for the second half... Cripes
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Did you honestly just say there's no risk in playing someone with a potential back injury?
If its purely spasms it could be as simple as a little electrolyte disturbance so ya possibly.
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Good points, NYG.
Hoping BB can keep it up and have a breakout.
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Georgetown is horrible. More importantly, I have big time confidence in the Hauser boys. They know ball.
Goose gets it! Goose, would you be the least bit "shocked" if MU wins this game?? My guess is a resounding no.
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GU gon feed the big man second half
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If this were last year, this would be an appropriate take.
SJU this year for sure. Dont have the IU stats but wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't one of their best so far
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Goose gets it! Goose, would you be the least bit "shocked" if MU wins this game?? My guess is a resounding no.
No one said they'd be shocked if MU wins this.
Your schtick is tiresome
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Markus wearing his warmup jersey. I think we will not see him today.
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No...you are missing my point...I know the posters on this board(so many who EXPECT losses on the road, which is just weird)...They will talk about how this was an "amazing" win, and how they are so shocked they did it without Markus...No...you shouldn't be. This would NOT be David Slaying Goliath here people...This is STILL a better team then Georgetown, with or without Markus...and my point is, for those that are always "expecting losses"(especially in this one) are discrediting the rest of the talent on this team. Of course Markus is important, and if it was/is a long term injury, by all means that changes things, but for ONE game, against this team, it shouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle. This isn't Georgetown with Ewing playing.
Not to knock anyone on this board, but it's really about being able to judge talent. Without Markus MU STILL has more talented players than Georgetown. It really is that simple. Now, does talent win out all the time?? No, but all things being equal, it will be a vast majority of the time. Have some confidence!
So you think having to adjust to playing without a potential All American on the road for the first time is no big deal, huh?
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Why is it always the best shooting game for a team, its getting old.
.....we lead the big East in eFG% allowed
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My God take the ball away from sacar!
He may also want to guard Mclung
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So Theo got called for a touch full in the post. Meanwhile, they are holding Sam with both hands and not a single call.
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I think the only chance is ungodly 3 ball shooting from the bros hauser
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McClung with the flop.
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Bad start. Lost on offense
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Where exactly was that foul on Joey?
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McClung shooting 25% from 3 for the year and hits pull-up 3s in transition. What a tool.
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So you think having to adjust to playing without a potential All American on the road for the first time is no big deal, huh?
You obviously do...I for one, have confidence in this team without Markus and KNOW they are more talented then Georgetown. They have to step it up defensively, this half, but still a game they should win.
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Freaking Jody Higheoller’s Cousin is playing out of his ass. How many 3’s does that knucklehead have? GT shooting like 70% from 3.
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I think the only chance is ungodly 3 ball shooting from the bros hauser
Joey is crapping all over the floor.
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McClung with the flop.
he strikes me as a lil prick. I shall hate him just like devendorf
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McClung shooting 25% from 3 for the year and hits pull-up 3s in transition. What a tool.
Yeah, already prepared to hate him for 4 years. And not because he’s gonna be a star, just has that obnoxious feel
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Mcclunks gonna beat us
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No whwre near off goaltending on sam!!
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You obviously do...I for one, have confidence in this team without Markus and KNOW they are more talented then Georgetown. They have to step it up defensively, this half, but still a game they should win.
You realize those aren't mutually exclusive, right?
Of course you don't.
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Not questioning Ewing, but why In the hell aren’t they forcing the ball low and going at Theo? If Theo fouls out, game over
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McClung shooting 25% from 3 for the year and hits pull-up 3s in transition. What a tool.
could not agree more. worse than Macura
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Refs taking over!
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he strikes me as a lil prick. I shall hate him just like devendorf
Agreed.
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Refs taking over!
Yep. Those were a couple atrocious calls.
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If GT shoots > 50% from 3 MU loses.
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You obviously do...I for one, have confidence in this team without Markus and KNOW they are more talented then Georgetown. They have to step it up defensively, this half, but still a game they should win.
So are the guys in Vegas and at sites like KenPom idiots who can't judge talent? Or is Markus Howard not worth 3 points?
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Not questioning Ewing, but why In the hell aren’t they forcing the ball low and going at Theo? If Theo fouls out, game over
Agreed
And this team being more talented than Gtown without markus is saying a lot
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Refs taking over!
Calling it completely different than the first half.
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If GT shoots > 50% from 3 MU loses.
Yep - and by double-digits.
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Ball don’t lie bitch.
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So. Many. Open. 3s
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Yikes. Here we go. Slippin away quick
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Georgetown is 8 for 12 from three so far and McClung got a three shot foul, so really 9 for 13. Unreal.
Held Govan to only four points, but having Leblanc on floor big difference.
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If Govan is gonna make all his dinosaur ass 3s, this is a problem
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Theo!!!!!
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As usual, getting our ass kicked. And Cartooney is crapping the floor
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Can you imagine what this board would do if Wojo used his star player as poorly as Ewing is with Govan? Inside or out, they should be feeding him Everytime
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The least JC can do is stay in front of his man my god! Dude is scared with the ball in his hands he at least has to d up
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Can you imagine what this board would do if Wojo used his star player as poorly as Ewing is with Govan? Inside or out, they should be feeding him Everytime
Theo is eating his lunch.
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Thank god we still have Theo. Georgetown plum dumb for not attacking him all game
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Should have been a T on Govan
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We have no chance with JC on the floor. Let Sam play the point for the rest of the game.
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Wojo needs to tell the guys ta the next time out "unless it's an easy lay up or dunk, Sam is the only one that shoots it". :)
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Ish. Third foul on theo is huge. Ouch
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Atta boy Bailey!!!
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The least JC can do is stay in front of his man my god! Dude is scared with the ball in his hands he at least has to d up
Don’t matter he is back on bench after a minute of play. Shame.
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As usual, getting our ass kicked. And Cartooney is crapping the floor
What were you saying?
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Nice Joey
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3 good trips down the floor. Keep it going Warriors.
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JC should be done for tonight
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Defense wins this game
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Bailey needs to play the rest of the minutes if he has the gas
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Theo has a ways to go, especially fouls, but if you told me he would be an offense force last year, I’d have laughed at you.
Development has been astounding
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Trey ain’t no ‘Zo.
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Impressive work boyzzzz!
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Let Anim keep playing point. We got this
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Credit Matt, has had a nice little spell here.
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Looking good Warriors.
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Bailey needs to play the rest of the minutes if he has the gas
Agree. Looks solid tonight.
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That was a good sequence. Maybe the best 3 minutes of team ball we've played all season.
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Good defense. (Plus length on the perimeter). Smart, efficient offense.
Keep that up and we win
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Oooooh weeeeeeee! 12-0 run for the Warriors, #mubb leads Georgetown 55-51 with 11:04 left. 55.8% eFG% for MU, 55.3% for the Hoyas.
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Some big boy basketball these last few minutes.
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No Govan, driving to the rack. Three straight possessions, three baskets.
Govan be back soon, he’s the game changer for them.
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Theo has a ways to go, especially fouls, but if you told me he would be an offense force last year, I’d have laughed at you.
Development has been astounding
Im super impressed. He just has to clean up the hooks / nba level post up scuffling and he will be awesome. Hes too much of a man for the college level of contact that is allowed
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I’d sub Cain for Bailey before bringing Joe C back in. All he’s earned tonight is a nice seat for the game
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Such a joke we start getting roasted with injuries right during a nice stretch of winnable games
We roll these fools with Markus
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playing team ball right now. love it! more energy from this squad since i don't even know when!
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Yikes. Here we go. Slippin away quick
#oldtakesexposed
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Credit Matt, has had a nice little spell here.
Yep. Between Theo and some nice minutes by Matt, we’re controlling the paint nicely. Thought we’d have trouble inside without Ed tonight.
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BB looks good!
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Heldt with a REALLY nice stretch. What a contribution from him after so few min early on this year. Shows his character and attitude.
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What a garbage call.
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Bs call on Joey
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How is that a foul on Joey when Govan literally jumps forward into him?
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Bail out call for Govan. That was trasssh
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Govan jumped into Joey. Whatta punk!!!
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Lame NBA bail out for Govan on Joey. Officials watch too much TV. God. That’s a call a dumb Badger fan makes from the stands.
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Refs are bad. Calling too many.
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How is that a foul on Joey when Govan literally jumps forward into him?
That was horrible. Joey was standing still. Wojo better be in the ref's ear after that one.
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Lame NBA bail out for Govan on Joey. Officials watch too much TV. God. That’s a call a dumb Badger fan makes from the stands.
Said the same thing. Govan can get that sh!t call next year
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What were you saying?
That Cartooney is crapping the floor.
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What a garbage call.
The same ref keeps blowing his whistle anticipating fouls that never actually happen.
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Wojo should yell his head off at the refs.
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That was horrible. Joey was standing still. Wojo better be in the ref's ear after that one.
That particular ref is pretty bad. Not a fan when he does our games. I think he may have blown the seton hall call too (St John’s) but I could easily be wrong.
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The same ref keeps blowing his whistle anticipating fouls that never actually happen.
Truly horrendous. Complete bailout.
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You know what this team DOES do better without Markus?? Take care of the ball. On the road that is so important.
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he strikes me as a lil prick. I shall hate him just like devendorf
Deefendork takes top honors for being a prick.
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F Mcclung.
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HUGE 3 from Sam and of course that chucker McClung makes another.
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Who the hell is guarding Mcclunk?Animal the stud D guy.
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You know what this team DOES do better without Markus?? Take care of the ball. On the road that is so important.
Oh really? Tell me about Markus' turnover stats
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Teams don’t miss against us in their building
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Chartouny has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands
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Let's go fellas.
Gut it out.
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Get JC on the bench now!
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As usual a horrible call starts a run. Time to put a stop to it.
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Cartooney is 6'5 and cannot take it to the hole
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Get JC on the bench now!
JC belongs in pregame prayer and nowhere else
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Seems like we're playing two teams the refs and the hoyas.
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Theo - power will prevail.
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This is JCs biggest opportunity when he’s needed most and is playing his worst game of the season
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JC comes in drives twice in corners and stops. Just scary bad. Georgetown 7 point run and Wojo had to waste timeout, even with TV timeout coming.
Need Govan to get number foul 4 to pull this out.
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I think the only chance is ungodly 3 ball shooting from the bros hauser
Joey is crapping all over the floor.
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Bailey!!!!
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Sam willed that into the hoop.
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Win or lose this was a much needed game for Sam to break out this year.
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Govan with 4. Time to runnnnn
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Sit down Govan.
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I will admit, I do like the paint job in the lane
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Govan with 4. Time to runnnnn
Mourning too. Get those bigs outta here.
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Both Govan and Mourning have launched F-bombs at refs. Neither got a T.
How often does that happen.
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Theo with power.
Hit the shots now.
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I just got back from a business dinner ... Why isn't Howard playing? Has he played at all?
(Want to watch the game and not spend 15 minutes reading the first 10 pages).
Thanks in advance
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Every possession till Govan return, go inside with Theo and Joey.
Gotta make free throws boys.
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I just got back from a business dinner ... Why isn't Howard playing? Has he played at all?
(Want to watch the game and not spend 15 minutes reading the first 10 pages).
Thanks in advance
Back spasms, played 3 minutes
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Need to start getting some stops
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Sweet move Sacar.
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My goodness Sacar. SAUCEY
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Very impressed with Bailey's on-ball defense on the pick and roll.
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Sacar who normally cant finish basic moves nails a double clutch reverse circus shot
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Joey is crapping all over the floor.
.....Joey nearly has a triple double
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Sam just wasting clock chucking??
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Offense disappearing with the lead
What the hell is this
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Why not go into Theo?
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Damn had a chance to put them away. White knuckle time. Need some offense from Joey badly
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The guys look gassed. It’ll be a tough 2 min.
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Can't ever be easy, can it?
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Sam just wasting clock chucking??
Maybe Wojo should sit him, ya think?
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Sacar who normally cant finish basic moves nails a double clutch reverse circus shot
#DwyaneWadeWeek
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Damn had a chance to put them away. White knuckle time. Need some offense from Joey badly
Totally was thinking a stop and score there would do it
Would be nice to be on cruise control for one game. So stressful
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Foul out their bigs
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We had them against ropes, had them. Up 4 and then four really bad offensive possessions.
Hopefully that wasn’t outcome of game in that last two minute stretch.
Free throws are acoming......
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We could really use some FTs.
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Go inside. Please.
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This loser making back spasm jokes
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Why Sacar!
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Cmon Wojo draw something up!!
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Draw something up for Joey
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Can we please get a decent look after this TO
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.....Joey nearly has a triple double
Yeah-taking a triple deuce all over the floor
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Up 70 to 66 with 4:23 to go.
Have not scored in all the possession since.
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Bailey owns Akinjo, those are the rules
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Draw something up for Joey
I'd post up Sam or Joey.
Or have Theo slip a screen for a dunk.
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This loser making back spasm jokes
Bardo is a clown
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Now what
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Sam post up!!
We need to be doing this every time
Let’s get a stop
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Please no threes !!!
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Bailey owns Akinjo, those are the rules
Akinjo won’t drive the lane for a couple of games cause he will hear BB’s footsteps chasing him down
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Don't give them a look at 3
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Put him on his ass at least.
Gonna need another bucket.
Big miss tho!
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Stay down Sacar man!
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C'mon dagger here boys
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Omg.
Sacar.
This is bad
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Sacar man finish !!!!!!!!!!
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man that layup was painful.
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How’d that not go down
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They better not win at the ft line
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I'm sorry...but it has to be asked...why are you putting the ball in Sacar's hands in that situation?? Just puzzling to say the least.
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odds of at least a foul are WAY to high!
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That woulda been huge for sacars confidence but man. Painful
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That woulda been huge for sacars confidence but man. Painful
Make or no make, I can promise you Sacar does not need confidence
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Theo!!!
Omg!!
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Omg theo
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THEOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Power Theo Power!!!
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What fu cking win
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I love how Sam just said, these FTs are mine and yanked the rebound to himself.
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What a gritty ass win!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Big time gut check W. BIG TIME.
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Any questions boys?? In the end, talent wins out a majority of the time...always remember that.
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I love this team
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"F*CK YOU AND YOUR LAYUP" - Theo John
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Wojo continues to prove his worth this season. Incredible
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And a push for Vegas, cause of course.
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Pretty good finish.
Oh yeah!!!!!
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Theo automatic sotg. Sorry sam
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Impressive victory!
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what a finish! THEO! paint boss! This team has figured out how to win on the road, even without Howard. Plenty to be excited for
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Defense was excellent. Great game
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"F*CK YOU AND YOUR LAYUP" - Theo John
Great play, but Bailey forced each of the last two blocks
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Any questions boys?? In the end, talent wins out a majority of the time...always remember that.
Who was doubting a win??? Are you having a conversation with yourself? Stop sucking so bad
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I cant believe we didnt get a bailout home court whistle blow on that block. I was almost positive a whistle would have blown on that posession
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Let's GO! Wow, what a game. Sam was incredible. Theo John a force. Bailey coming up with contribution.
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And a push for Vegas, cause of course.
Line went down to -1 for me
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I know I sound like a broken record but the toughness that had been missing has returned to the Warriors! Great win for Wojo and the guys!
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Great play, but Bailey forced each of the last two blocks
Doesn’t matter. His job is to be a rim protector and everyone else’s is to feed people to him. They both did it perfectly. They both were defensive studs tonight
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Who was doubting a win??? Are you having a conversation with yourself? Stop sucking so bad
The same people that EXPECT them to lose certain games. Those people.
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The same people that EXPECT them to lose certain games. Those people.
No one said that. Not one person. You started a narrative about no one making excuses because we should win, not one person disagreed, then you proceed with this “I told you so” trash. Stop being a clown man. You look like a fool nearly every time you post
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My God take the ball away from sacar!
He may also want to guard Mclung
Sacar look at you the wrong way sometime or something??? Seriously, grow up.
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Any questions boys?? In the end, talent wins out a majority of the time...always remember that.
and coaching
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My God take the ball away from sacar!
He may also want to guard Mclung
Great call!
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No one said that. Not one person. You started a narrative about no one making excuses because we should win, not one person disagreed, then you proceed with this “I told you so” trash. Stop being a clown man. You look like a fool nearly every time you post
No one has EVER posted after a loss that they EXPECTED MU to lose that game?? Did you not read the SJU game thread?? THOSE people. And I know DAMN well there would have been people that posted they expected to lose this game without Markus had it happened.
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No one has EVER posted after a loss that they EXPECTED MU to lose that game?? Did you not read the SJU game thread?? THOSE people. And I know DAMN well there would have been people that posted they expected to lose this game without Markus had it happened.
Did we play SJU tonight?
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No one has EVER posted after a loss that they EXPECTED MU to lose that game?? Did you not read the SJU game thread?? THOSE people. And I know DAMN well there would have been people that posted they expected to lose this game without Markus had it happened.
Wait, fans would have been not surprised had we lost on the road without Ed and Markus?
Holy crap.
Breaking news.
You're dumb.
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Was at the game. Great MU turnout. To win on the road in the Bog East without Marcus and Ed is just awesome. I don’t care what anyone is saying. Sam, Theo, Sacar, Joey, Bailey, hell the whole team stepped up. Go MU! Love it.
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No one said that. Not one person. You started a narrative about no one making excuses because we should win, not one person disagreed, then you proceed with this “I told you so” trash. Stop being a clown man. You look like a fool nearly every time you post
Accurate.
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Dare I say that they might need more Bailey for defense? He was big on the boards, beating screens, and even added a few buckets.
I am glad I didnt jinx this. Really nice game for BB and the team.
We should hang a banner for this.
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Wait, fans would have been not surprised had we lost on the road without Ed and Markus?
Holy crap.
Breaking news.
You're dumb.
I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
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I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
We are not worthy.
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I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
I love when people exclaim they know things. Very cool strategy, very legal.
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I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
But could you dunk in high school?
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I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
Can't make this sh*t up. Too good.
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I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
I asked before but I'll ask again. Vegas, KenPom, other rankings sites all had Marquette as about a 3 point favorite in this game before Markus got hurt. So your assertion that Marquette should beat Georgetown on the road even without Markus (and you don't seem to think it should even be close) means that either:
A) Vegas, KenPom, all the people who do this professionally way overrate Georgetown
B) Vegas, KenPom, all the people who do this professionally way underrate Marquette
C) Having Markus Howard is not worth at least 3 points in a game
Which is it? I'm honestly not being snarky, I'm trying to figure out if you are saying that Marquette is way undervalued by the masses or if Markus Howard isn't as good as we think so losing him isn't that big of a blow.
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I'm not dumb...I KNOW college basketball, I know this MU team, and I KNOW MU was still the more talented team without Markus, and I will take my chances with more talent ANYTIME. Those that would have NOT been surprised at a loss...well...sad to say, they don't know college basketball or more so, just how truly talented this MU team is.
Settle down, Brian. We know you are the best fan EVER.
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I asked before but I'll ask again. Vegas, KenPom, other rankings sites all had Marquette as about a 3 point favorite in this game before Markus got hurt. So your assertion that Marquette should beat Georgetown on the road even without Markus (and you don't seem to think it should even be close) means that either:
A) Vegas, KenPom, all the people who do this professionally way overrate Georgetown
B) Vegas, KenPom, all the people who do this professionally way underrate Marquette
C) Having Markus Howard is not worth at least 3 points in a game
Which is it? I'm honestly not being snarky, I'm trying to figure out if you are saying that Marquette is way undervalued by the masses or if Markus Howard isn't as good as we think so losing him isn't that big of a blow.
They are way undervalued to be honest...and you know what?? Kenpom etc, are all very useful tools in their own right, but they are simply NUMBERS...what they don't do/use is the eye test, and the #'s do sometimes lie...anyone with any knowledge of college basketball, should have known that even without Markus, Marquette has more talent then Georgetown..and if you take away all the other factors/elements..talent should/will win out a vast majority of the time...that's why I always hesitate to look at numbers like that...they don't "see" the things my own eyes see.
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They are way undervalued to be honest...and you know what?? Kenpom etc, are all very useful tools in their own right, but they are simply NUMBERS...what they don't do/use is the eye test, and the #'s do sometimes lie...anyone with any knowledge of college basketball, should have known that even without Markus, Marquette has more talent then Georgetown..and if you take away all the other factors/elements..talent should/will win out a vast majority of the time...that's why I always hesitate to look at numbers like that...they don't "see" the things my own eyes see.
So how good exactly do you think Marquette is? Are they the best team in the nation? Top ten? Top 25?
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So how good exactly do you think Marquette is? Are they the best team in the nation? Top ten? Top 25?
I have watched a TON of college basketball this year(I always do), and my eyes tell me that they are somewhere between the 10th and 15th best team in the country..with the potential to be better..and I have always thought and told ppl I know that the key to that is Sam..last night we saw Sam at his best, but you know what?? That wasn't anything that should have made anyone go "wow, where did that come from"?? Sam is that talented....But back to my point..there are many times over the last couple of years where I wish Sam would be more assertive and take over a game when markus is struggling. We see what happens when he does. He is so smooth, savvy, and basketball smart that he will almost always make the right play, take the right shot etc.
If Sam started to "take over games" more, like he did last night, even when Markus is rolling..the potential of this team is through the roof. It really is..there aren't many CBB teams that has/have the luxury of having two guys like Sam and Markus that can absolutely dominate a game. Imagine if, Markus who is averaging 26PPG, had Sam who was averaging say 17-18 PPG as well(which is totally realistic)??
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I'm hoping that this team is putting some of their struggles behind them, but I will note that some of the same flaws that Lennys noted about Xavier last year before their premature NCAA exit also plague this team. This team is gutty and tough, but they also have shown an inability to put teams away. They play really well late in the game, but when the game gets away from them, sometimes you build too big of a deficit to make that comeback.
The team we saw against Kansas State and Buffalo gives you hope that they could go to the Final Four. The team we saw against Seton Hall and Creighton, despite the wins, gives me pause that we could be a first weekend upset casualty. The tourney is always a crapshoot and matchups coupled with hot hands goes a long way, but while we could get hot and knock off one of the top seeds, we could also let an underdog stick around too long and run out of miracle finishes.
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I'm hoping that this team is putting some of their struggles behind them, but I will note that some of the same flaws that Lennys noted about Xavier last year before their premature NCAA exit also plague this team. This team is gutty and tough, but they also have shown an inability to put teams away. They play really well late in the game, but when the game gets away from them, sometimes you build too big of a deficit to make that comeback.
The team we saw against Kansas State and Buffalo gives you hope that they could go to the Final Four. The team we saw against Seton Hall and Creighton, despite the wins, gives me pause that we could be a first weekend upset casualty. The tourney is always a crapshoot and matchups coupled with hot hands goes a long way, but while we could get hot and knock off one of the top seeds, we could also let an underdog stick around too long and run out of miracle finishes.
I will hypothesize that this game will help with that. Instead of just looking for Markus to do something, the team will do more looking for their own shot. A lot of the games I had frustration with this year involved a lot of standing around and waiting for MH to do something rather than trying to create like Sam and Sacar (and a few instances of BB) did last night.
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I hope after this game Markus can realize it is not all about him. Sure he is a great shooter but there are times when he takes to many quick or bad shots. What happens then is his teammates stand around and just watch him. All these kids can score, time to just let the game flow to Markus and not just play Markus ball,
they will be better in the long run. Get the ball inside to Theo more often, it will open the outside then. If Sam can play as he did last night more often, the team could
win the Big East. Hope to see more Bailey get more time on the court, his D was outstanding last night. Did not think he could stay with Akino one on one but he
did and he blocked 3 or 4 shots of his last night, impressive.
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I hope after this game Markus can realize it is not all about him. Sure he is a great shooter but there are times when he takes to many quick or bad shots. What happens then is his teammates stand around and just watch him. All these kids can score, time to just let the game flow to Markus and not just play Markus ball,
they will be better in the long run. Get the ball inside to Theo more often, it will open the outside then. If Sam can play as he did last night more often, the team could
win the Big East. Hope to see more Bailey get more time on the court, his D was outstanding last night. Did not think he could stay with Akino one on one but he
did and he blocked 3 or 4 shots of his last night, impressive.
Yes
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I'm hoping that this team is putting some of their struggles behind them, but I will note that some of the same flaws that Lennys noted about Xavier last year before their premature NCAA exit also plague this team. This team is gutty and tough, but they also have shown an inability to put teams away. They play really well late in the game, but when the game gets away from them, sometimes you build too big of a deficit to make that comeback.
The team we saw against Kansas State and Buffalo gives you hope that they could go to the Final Four. The team we saw against Seton Hall and Creighton, despite the wins, gives me pause that we could be a first weekend upset casualty. The tourney is always a crapshoot and matchups coupled with hot hands goes a long way, but while we could get hot and knock off one of the top seeds, we could also let an underdog stick around too long and run out of miracle finishes.
Yep. Mentioned this to my wife after the game last night. Marquette is the exact type of team that can end up a four seed and lose in the first round to a team like Georgia State.
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Bottom line is we won two games that we were 99% sure to lose with seconds left yet won in overtime.
We also have won 2-3 that looked like very possible losses and we trailed late.
So we have definitely won a few we could have lost. Five losses puts us middle of the pack with everyone else, and we could have had more, kudos to the kids for sticking with it, kudos to luck. Im not complaining but to think we can hang with the big boys or not lose to a bottom of the pack BE team or a first round NCCA game is foolhardy. We are not balanced enuff offensively and tend to turn the ball over too much to be a really really good team. We are a good team tho.
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So how good exactly do you think Marquette is? Are they the best team in the nation? Top ten? Top 25?
We are one of the best teams in the nation; in turnovers! If we can solve that we could be a pretty tough out come March.
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Bottom line is we won two games that we were 99% sure to lose with seconds left yet won in overtime.
We also have won 2-3 that looked like very possible losses and we trailed late.
So we have definitely won a few we could have lost. Five losses puts us middle of the pack with everyone else, and we could have had more, kudos to the kids for sticking with it, kudos to luck. Im not complaining but to think we can hang with the big boys or not lose to a bottom of the pack BE team or a first round NCCA game is foolhardy. We are not balanced enuff offensively and tend to turn the ball over too much to be a really really good team. We are a good team tho.
We have 4 players averaging double digit scoring in conference. That's a pretty good balance if you ask me. Any one of those 4 have the potential to go off for a 20 point game, we also have 4 others that can put up a respectable 7 to 11 in any game. We have more balance than we've had in quite a while, it just doesn't always seem that way because we have one player that can go off for 50+.
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The one thing that was obvious to me last night without Markus, is how much better they were at NOT turning it over. Maybe too, this game was a precursor of sorts for Wojo..Why couldn't he now "springboard" off this game and run different sets during games with Sacar, or Joey or Sam out top as the primary ball handler?? Throw constant different looks at teams, let them figure out how to defend it.
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Yes, the coaches learned that Chartouny can not play and the other 3 players on the court can start the offense. Let’s see how the coaches figure out what to do even with Markus on the court.
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I thought joe was great at creighton, but his last two games have been simply terrible. Last night the stage was set for him yet Wojo could not afford to play him. I think his defense is exceptional and he could help the team in that area, however his offense has been so bad that its not worth his defense. He completely stagnates the offense when he is in the game these last few and if that is not bad enuff has literally thrown the ball to the defense for run outs every 2-3 times down the court.
After last night his opportunities may be becoming fewer and fewer if he canot get his confidence up. Im sure they want to keep trying to give him chances to build that confidence, but half way thru the season how many more can they continue to give him and at what cost?
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I completely agree that JC was not good last night, and Wojo must have thought the same, giving him limited minutes when we lacked another true point. But for those on this board who piss and moan about how horrible he's been all season and he's not a D-1 guard?How many of you voted him SOTG this year? Twice!
As bad as he was last night, he obviously has some ability and has shown it this year. Hopefully, he doesn't cost us a game but I still think we need him this year and he'll contribute to more wins.
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I'm sorry...but it has to be asked...why are you putting the ball in Sacar's hands in that situation?? Just puzzling to say the least.
He got to the rim, put a good shot that I don't know how it didn't fall. He is our best creator. I don't think it was that puzzling, he was getting to the basket all day.
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Any questions boys?? In the end, talent wins out a majority of the time...always remember that.
Yes, but to say Howard out wasn't an excuse was....inexcusable.
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If Sam started to "take over games" more, like he did last night, even when Markus is rolling..the potential of this team is through the roof. It really is..there aren't many CBB teams that has/have the luxury of having two guys like Sam and Markus that can absolutely dominate a game. Imagine if, Markus who is averaging 26PPG, had Sam who was averaging say 17-18 PPG as well(which is totally realistic)??
If only Sam could have taken over the Creighton game and gotten the ball out of Howard's hands......
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Well, that was bad coaching.
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Well, that was bad coaching.
It is a damn shame that PersecutedRebelAlphaMan can't post about how, despite winning on the road without Markus, Wojo did it all wrong.