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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Lens on January 13, 2019, 07:33:23 PM
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If we agree that Dwyane Wade has had the best NBA career of a MU player, who is #2?
Jimmy?
Maurice Lucas?
Anyone else in sight?
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Doc.
Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder are in the conversation.
Maurice Lucas
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Jimmy Chones was pretty good, but I'd go with Lucas
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Wesley Matthews has had a better career than Jae IMO
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Lucas
Chores
Matthews
Jae
Butler
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Kojis, Whitehead and McCaskill deserve discussion.
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Good call on Jerome being in the discussion (although not a winner). Longevity alone, as I think he was around over 10 years in the NBA.
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This might help, list of 38 players. One key is how many games someone played. If you're good, you keep playing and get contracts.
Wade, Lucas, Kojis, Matthews, Rivers, Whitehead pretty much head and shoulders above the other guys for now.
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-East-Conference/59/Marquette/68/nba-players
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Jimmy has made multiple all star teams .......he doesn't have the longevity yet but he is defintely ahead of Whitehead, Chones and most of those other guys for me.
Wade
Doc
Lucas
Butler
Other guys
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This might help, list of 38 players. One key is how many games someone played. If you're good, you keep playing and get contracts.
Wade, Lucas, Kojis, Matthews, Rivers, Whitehead pretty much head and shoulders above the other guys for now.
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-East-Conference/59/Marquette/68/nba-players
Kojis made two NBA All Star teams along side some pretty good players. I saw him play several times in the NBA and he was a very athletic player.
For example in 69 the western team was:
Elgin Baylor, LAL
Wilt Chamberlain, LAL
Jeff Mullins, SFW
Lenny Wilkens, SEA
Joe Caldwell, ATL
Elvin Hayes, SDR
Lou Hudson, ATL
Rudy LaRusso, SFW
Jerry Sloan, CHI
Don Kojis, SDR
Dick Van Arsdale, PHO
Gail Goodrich, PHO
Jerry West, LAL
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Lucas
Doc
Chones
Wes
etc.
Of course in terms of earnings per point scored, I'm sure Mac is the leader.
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This thread will reek decency bias in the end.
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I think All Star games is best measurement.
Lucas had 4
Jimmy is at 4 & counting
Is anyone else close?
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I think All Star games is best measurement.
Lucas had 4
Jimmy is at 4 & counting
Is anyone else close?
What about players that played in a few all star games but had short careers, vs those that kept on playing for more than a decade? I guess it depends how you define your original question on NBA career.
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What about players that played in a few all star games but had short careers, vs those that kept on playing for more than a decade? I guess it depends how you define your original question on NBA career.
How many players play in multiple ASGs and have short careers?
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Lucas
Chones
Doc
Butler
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I think Jimmy will ultimately end up with the second best pro career but will end with 0 rings.
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No love for Chris Crawford.
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This is a fun thread. Thanks for starting it, Lens.
Those of us who saw Lucas in the NBA know that he was one bad dude, and nobody wanted to mess with him. To have all the talent he had, and also to be both feared and respected by so many, that says a lot about him. Very important piece of a championship team, as well.
Butler belongs in the conversation for all he has done so far. Already passed Wes IMHO.
Rivers was a very steady, smart, tough pro, but unlike Lucas he wasn't an "NBA great." Jimmy already has had more seasons as an elite player than Glenn. Kojis was before my time; he certainly has a good resume.
I think Lucas is a pretty easy call here. I go with Jimmy next, but can see why others might pick Rivers or maybe Kojis.
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How many players play in multiple ASGs and have short careers?
I was thinking more along the lines of Chones, but Chones never made an all-star game. I thought he had.
Kojis is one that is greatly underappreciated in my opinion.
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Lucas. JFB maybe someday.
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Luke was a bad, bad man who nobody would mess with.
JFB, Doc and Chones in the mix.
One other player who deserves a mention for longevity – certainly not at the level of other players mentioned in the thread – is Tony Smith. Not tremendous stats, but a 10 year NBA career.
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Luke to this point. Butler might pass him up. Chones would currently be number two, followed by Doc. I think Butler passes those two and will fall short of Luke.
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How many championships did Luke have?
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1.Luke
2.JFB (likely #1 relatively soon)
3.Kojis
4.Chones
5.Rivers
6.Wesley
7.Jae
8.Whitehead
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1.Luke
2.JFB (likely #1 relatively soon)
3.Kojis
4.Chones
5.Rivers
6.Wesley
7.Jae
8.Whitehead
All credit to Pax and his "scouts" for finding JFB.
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Shame Matthews tore his ACL he could've been a bit higher on his list from what I remember.
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1.Luke
2.JFB (likely #1 relatively soon)
3.Kojis
4.Chones
5.Rivers
6.Wesley
7.Jae
8.Whitehead
Looks right to me.
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How many championships did Luke have?
One, as the leading scorer for the legendary 1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers team that included Bill Walton at the top of his game. Luke averaged 20 ppg and 11 rpg during the season, and 21 and 10 during the playoffs. What an effen stud.
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Shame Matthews tore his ACL he could've been a bit higher on his list from what I remember.
Believe it was his Achilles.
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Believe it was his Achilles.
My bad, point still stands though. Wasn't he first or second out from the All Star game at the time he was injured?
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My bad, point still stands though. Wasn't he first or second out from the All Star game at the time he was injured?
Yep. He was seriously moving toward elite territory, and hasn't been the same since.
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No love for Chris Crawford.
My vote too.