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Title: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: The Lens on January 13, 2019, 07:33:23 PM
If we agree that Dwyane Wade has had the best NBA career of a MU player, who is #2?

Jimmy?
Maurice Lucas?

Anyone else in sight?
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Doc.
Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder are in the conversation. 
Maurice Lucas
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: leever on January 13, 2019, 07:37:59 PM
Jimmy Chones was pretty good, but I'd go with Lucas
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 13, 2019, 07:40:06 PM
Wesley Matthews has had a better career than Jae IMO
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: dgies9156 on January 13, 2019, 07:42:57 PM
Lucas
Chores
Matthews
Jae
Butler
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Gato78 on January 13, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
Kojis, Whitehead and McCaskill deserve discussion.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: war1980rior on January 13, 2019, 07:50:11 PM
Good call on Jerome being in the discussion (although not a winner).  Longevity alone, as I think he was around over 10 years in the NBA.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Cheeks on January 13, 2019, 08:11:49 PM
This might help, list of 38 players.  One key is how many games someone played.  If you're good, you keep playing and get contracts.

Wade, Lucas, Kojis, Matthews, Rivers, Whitehead pretty much head and shoulders above the other guys for now.
 
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-East-Conference/59/Marquette/68/nba-players
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: MuMark on January 13, 2019, 08:18:50 PM
Jimmy has made multiple all star teams .......he doesn't have the longevity yet but he is defintely ahead of Whitehead, Chones and most of those other guys for me.

Wade


Doc
Lucas
Butler

Other guys
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2019, 08:36:08 PM
This might help, list of 38 players.  One key is how many games someone played.  If you're good, you keep playing and get contracts.

Wade, Lucas, Kojis, Matthews, Rivers, Whitehead pretty much head and shoulders above the other guys for now.
 
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-East-Conference/59/Marquette/68/nba-players
Kojis made two NBA All Star teams along side some pretty good players. I saw him play several times in the NBA and he was  a very athletic player.

For example in 69 the western team was:
Elgin Baylor, LAL   
Wilt Chamberlain, LAL   
Jeff Mullins, SFW   
Lenny Wilkens, SEA   
Joe Caldwell, ATL   
Elvin Hayes, SDR   
Lou Hudson, ATL   
Rudy LaRusso, SFW   
Jerry Sloan, CHI   
Don Kojis, SDR   
Dick Van Arsdale, PHO   
Gail Goodrich, PHO   
Jerry West, LAL
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: WarriorFan on January 13, 2019, 09:10:38 PM
Lucas
Doc
Chones
Wes
etc.

Of course in terms of earnings per point scored, I'm sure Mac is the leader. 
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Cheeks on January 13, 2019, 09:13:08 PM
This thread will reek decency bias in the end.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: The Lens on January 13, 2019, 09:19:30 PM
I think All Star games is best measurement. 

Lucas had 4
Jimmy is at 4 & counting

Is anyone else close?
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Cheeks on January 13, 2019, 09:22:08 PM
I think All Star games is best measurement. 

Lucas had 4
Jimmy is at 4 & counting

Is anyone else close?

What about players that played in a few all star games but had short careers, vs those that kept on playing for more than a decade?  I guess it depends how you define your original question on NBA career.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: The Lens on January 13, 2019, 09:33:44 PM
What about players that played in a few all star games but had short careers, vs those that kept on playing for more than a decade?  I guess it depends how you define your original question on NBA career.

How many players play in multiple ASGs and have short careers? 
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2019, 09:36:15 PM
Lucas
Chones
Doc
Butler
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: wadesworld on January 13, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
I think Jimmy will ultimately end up with the second best pro career but will end with 0 rings.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: PTM on January 13, 2019, 09:37:01 PM
No love for Chris Crawford.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2019, 09:42:22 PM
This is a fun thread. Thanks for starting it, Lens.

Those of us who saw Lucas in the NBA know that he was one bad dude, and nobody wanted to mess with him. To have all the talent he had, and also to be both feared and respected by so many, that says a lot about him. Very important piece of a championship team, as well.

Butler belongs in the conversation for all he has done so far. Already passed Wes IMHO.

Rivers was a very steady, smart, tough pro, but unlike Lucas he wasn't an "NBA great." Jimmy already has had more seasons as an elite player than Glenn. Kojis was before my time; he certainly has a good resume.

I think Lucas is a pretty easy call here. I go with Jimmy next, but can see why others might pick Rivers or maybe Kojis.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Cheeks on January 13, 2019, 10:07:54 PM
How many players play in multiple ASGs and have short careers?

I was thinking more along the lines of Chones, but Chones never made an all-star game.  I thought he had. 

Kojis is one that is greatly underappreciated in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Eye on January 14, 2019, 07:41:53 AM
Lucas. JFB maybe someday.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 14, 2019, 08:12:12 AM
Luke was a bad, bad man who nobody would mess with.

JFB, Doc and Chones in the mix.

One other player who deserves a mention for longevity – certainly not at the level of other players mentioned in the thread – is Tony Smith. Not tremendous stats, but a 10 year NBA career.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Goose on January 14, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
Luke to this point. Butler might pass him up. Chones would currently be number two, followed by Doc. I think Butler passes those two and will fall short of Luke.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Marqevans on January 14, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
How many championships did Luke have?
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2019, 09:47:40 AM
1.Luke
2.JFB (likely #1 relatively soon)
3.Kojis
4.Chones
5.Rivers
6.Wesley
7.Jae
8.Whitehead
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: The Lens on January 14, 2019, 10:23:11 AM
1.Luke
2.JFB (likely #1 relatively soon)
3.Kojis
4.Chones
5.Rivers
6.Wesley
7.Jae
8.Whitehead

All credit to Pax and his "scouts" for finding JFB.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 14, 2019, 10:33:33 AM
Shame Matthews tore his ACL he could've been a bit higher on his list from what I remember.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Lazar's Headband on January 14, 2019, 10:53:47 AM
1.Luke
2.JFB (likely #1 relatively soon)
3.Kojis
4.Chones
5.Rivers
6.Wesley
7.Jae
8.Whitehead

Looks right to me.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
How many championships did Luke have?

One, as the leading scorer for the legendary 1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers team that included Bill Walton at the top of his game. Luke averaged 20 ppg and 11 rpg during the season, and 21 and 10 during the playoffs. What an effen stud.

Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: wadesworld on January 14, 2019, 11:23:15 AM
Shame Matthews tore his ACL he could've been a bit higher on his list from what I remember.

Believe it was his Achilles.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 14, 2019, 11:24:50 AM
Believe it was his Achilles.

My bad, point still stands though. Wasn't he first or second out from the All Star game at the time he was injured?
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 14, 2019, 11:44:31 AM
My bad, point still stands though. Wasn't he first or second out from the All Star game at the time he was injured?

Yep. He was seriously moving toward elite territory, and hasn't been the same since.
Title: Re: 2nd Best NBA Career
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 14, 2019, 11:53:34 AM
No love for Chris Crawford.

My vote too.