MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: fjm on January 12, 2019, 03:14:37 PM
-
Theo
Markus
Congrats to Sam on 1,000
-
Theo
-
Wojo.
-
Theo.
-
Sacar, Theo
-
Torn between Theo and Sacar. Sacar got us through the rough stretch and had the assist of the day. Think I go Sacar
-
Sacar for great D and good enough everything else.
-
Theo
Sacar
-
Theo
-
Theo.
-
Theo
Did markus hi the rim from the perimeter in second half?
-
Theo, besides the points and rebounds, he only had three fouls. First time in a long, long time, no foul trouble and got to stay on the floor.
-
Just like the Creighton game, it is the refs.
-
Theo
Did markus hi the rim from the perimeter in second half?
Yeah, he said hi to the rim from the perimeter.
BTW, sand knit, you clearly motivated Sacar today.
-
Theo..,
Double,double and staying on the court without morrow available.
-
Thick Theo
Sacar
-
Theo
-
Theo
-
Theo
-
Posted in the other thread didn't see this one. Markus. He got us the lead. 26/6/6 and would have had a double double if we could hit the open shot.
Theo and Sacar HM
-
Obviously Theo:
1. Double-double
2. Aside from small Heldt cameo, had to pick up Ed’s minutes
3. Stayed out of foul trouble.
4. Three blocks but his presence in the post gave seton hall fits. He certainly altered more than 3 shots
-
The kid from Minneapolis, with the other kid from Minneapolis as runner up.
1. Theo
2. Sacar
-
Theo...hit the free throws he had to hit...watched his fouls with a short bench, made dribble penetration difficult, a few nice buckets to get the double-double.
Great game by Sacar as well.
I thought Markus played a GREAT first half and an average second half.
-
No brainer. Theo. Big time rebounds, blocks and FT's.
-
Theo..,
Double,double and staying on the court without morrow available.
Agree in addition to his big game
His ability to stay out there was key
-
Weird, I didn't think there'd be an easy decision that isn't Markus all season, but here we are
-
Kenpom also has Markus as the game MVP. I understand he was just okay for him, but he was still SOTG
-
Yeah, he said hi to the rim from the perimeter.
BTW, sand knit, you clearly motivated Sacar today.
What? Just because Sacar had 14 points, 2 steals, the biggest assist of the game, and dogged Powell all afternoon ... you're trying to say Sand-Knit was wrong about Sacar being the worst player in basketball history? Shame on you, tower!
I think I go with Sacar for SOTG, but Theo obviously is very worthy, too.
Nice to be able to win when Markus struggles as he did in the second half.
-
Theo was big, but I have to go for Markus here - yes he was a bit boneheaded in for a bit in the 2nd, but that was after 2 (or 3) possessions where he found a wide open man who missed the three. Don't blame him for thinking he had to do it himself.
Then, under 5 he had a stretch where he had a couple nice drives into the lane for buckets we NEEDED and one drive in the lane where he dished to Theo for 2.
Couple that with the 18 first half points and a perfect night from the line and he's the STOG.
-
Kenpom also has Markus as the game MVP. I understand he was just okay for him, but he was still SOTG
He has changed the math on himself there’s no doubt
-
Kenpom also has Markus as the game MVP. I understand he was just okay for him, but he was still SOTG
Maybe from a purely mathematical sense. And I get that technically, all points are equal.
But for SOTG, I think you also need to take game situation into account. Theo and Sacar did more damage when the game was on the line down the stretch, which makes a difference for me.
-
Maybe from a purely mathematical sense. And I get that technically, all points are equal.
But for SOTG, I think you also need to take game situation into account. Theo and Sacar did more damage when the game was on the line down the stretch, which makes a difference for me.
Theo had 3 baskets.
1. Nice post move on a feed from Hauser.
2. Dunk off a beautiful lead pass by Markus
3. Markus attracts 3 defenders gives to Theo for open layup.
Sacar and Theo were great. Both played excellent defensively. Theo had clutch free throws especially since he is a bad free throw shooter. But the only reason Markus is not runaway SOTG is because he is always SOTG and we look for reasons to give it to someone else.
-
Theo and Sacar
-
Theo had 3 baskets.
1. Nice post move on a feed from Hauser.
2. Dunk off a beautiful lead pass by Markus
3. Markus attracts 3 defenders gives to Theo for open layup.
Sacar and Theo were great. Both played excellent defensively. Theo had clutch free throws especially since he is a bad free throw shooter. But the only reason Markus is not runaway SOTG is because he is always SOTG and we look for reasons to give it to someone else.
Reasonable argument for Markus, though I still lean toward Sacar and Theo today, in great part because of their influence on defense in a game that we had to win with defense.
-
Are we allowed to vote for Wojo? Seriously, he's not perfect, but he has been very good since KU. Calling the TO early in the second half when the lead was down to 5, last year, he would have waited until it was completely gone or we were trailing.
We finally seem to be running set plays out of timeouts, and at least getting a good look (they are almost always for a Hauser as well, because we know Markus can get his shot).
Fouling up three is largely a decision that should be made based on how much you trust your players to hit FTs, with this group, I would foul every time.
If we would have played this game with year 1 Wojo, instead of year 5 Wojo, I think we lose by 5-10.
If we can't vote for Wojo, I'll go with Theo
-
Theo had 3 baskets.
1. Nice post move on a feed from Hauser.
2. Dunk off a beautiful lead pass by Markus
3. Markus attracts 3 defenders gives to Theo for open layup.
Sacar and Theo were great. Both played excellent defensively. Theo had clutch free throws especially since he is a bad free throw shooter. But the only reason Markus is not runaway SOTG is because he is always SOTG and we look for reasons to give it to someone else.
But the excellent defense was HUGE. Theo had 3 blocks and made Hall think twice about going inside all day. Sacar spent most of his day chasing Powell around the court. The key offensive plays down the stretch just sealed the deal.
-
I feel like we can't appreciate greatness. I know Howard had a rugged second half, but 26/6/6 is huge. Howard carried us in the first half. His points and assists made up 30 of our 40 first half points.
We don't get over the finish line without Theo, but we aren't even in the game without Howard. It's Markus.
-
Theo and Sacar
Sacar's pass to a cutting Joey was huge!
-
But the excellent defense was HUGE. Theo had 3 blocks and made Hall think twice about going inside all day. Sacar spent most of his day chasing Powell around the court. The key offensive plays down the stretch just sealed the deal.
Absolutely. And we don't win without both of those guys today.
But without Markus we get blown out. He created basically all of our offense. He's SOTG for me and it isn't that close, but like I said we don't win without Sacar and Theo. Hell, we don't win without the Hausers either even though they couldn't buy one. The spacing they create in the paint just with their presence is important
-
Markus is starting to get the LeBron voter fatigue on this board.
-
Theo John
Honorable Mention - Markus Howard
-
Sacar
-
Markus is not getting the LeBron voter fatigue and nobody is losing an appreciation for greatness.
Markus is not SOTG because when we went into halftime up 10 the only chance we had of losing that game was getting loose with the basketball and Markus did exactly that. 2-9 with 5 turnovers in the second half from what I can tell, and of his 7 missed shots I would guess 3 or 4 of them were complete airballs that led to transition opportunities for Seton Hall, as well as I would guess at least 3 of his turnovers being live ball turnovers, if not 4. He didn't just play "sub par" in the second half. He was horrendous in the second half.
When it was winning time Theo and Sacar stepped up.
-
Mr. Theo John or Sacar. Both played outstanding D. Honorable to Markus. Congrats to Sam.
-
Markus is not getting the LeBron voter fatigue and nobody is losing an appreciation for greatness.
Markus is not SOTG because when we went into halftime up 10 the only chance we had of losing that game was getting loose with the basketball and Markus did exactly that. 2-9 with 5 turnovers in the second half from what I can tell, and of his 7 missed shots I would guess 3 or 4 of them were complete airballs that led to transition opportunities for Seton Hall, as well as I would guess at least 3 of his turnovers being live ball turnovers, if not 4. He didn't just play "sub par" in the second half. He was horrendous in the second half.
When it was winning time Theo and Sacar stepped up.
This.
Maybe a few Scoopers are always looking for excuses to not choose Markus, but that doesn't mean that anytime any of us choose somebody other than Markus in any game it automatically means we have "Markus fatigue."
As you say so perfectly, wades, in addition to playing well just about all game, Sacar and Theo came up big in "winning time."
Saying that doesn't mean we don't appreciate Markus' contributions.
-
Markus is not getting the LeBron voter fatigue and nobody is losing an appreciation for greatness.
Markus is not SOTG because when we went into halftime up 10 the only chance we had of losing that game was getting loose with the basketball and Markus did exactly that. 2-9 with 5 turnovers in the second half from what I can tell, and of his 7 missed shots I would guess 3 or 4 of them were complete airballs that led to transition opportunities for Seton Hall, as well as I would guess at least 3 of his turnovers being live ball turnovers, if not 4. He didn't just play "sub par" in the second half. He was horrendous in the second half.
When it was winning time Theo and Sacar stepped up.
Why were we up 10?
-
Why were we up 10?
If not for Markus, we would've been down 20 when we got to "winning time" and no one's contributions would've mattered. If it was SOT2H, he wouldn't be in the running. It's SOTG, and the guy who had the best 40 minutes was Markus.
-
Theo played tough. Love his passion.
-
I dunno. All we talked about for 3 years here was how horsebleep our defense was. Now some of us say that in this particular game we like the defensive performance of two guys -- who also contributed quite a bit on offense -- and it's some kind proof that we don't appreciate Markus or some sign that we're stoopid?
-
Why were we up 10?
Wasn’t just Markus though. The defense that Sacar and Theo were playing is another reason we were up ten instead of two. Scoring is not the only way to contribute. Best scorer is not always man of the match.
-
Similar to when we had this discussion when Henry was here, not all rebound are created equal. Getting a double double with 6 Oboards is huge. Throw in the 3 blocks, and however many other alterations (even with 2 goaltendings). Also only 1 TO (partially due to his position and style of play), and only 3 fouls, for a guy that has been forced to play sub 20 mpg because of foul trouble. Theo was a beast. I won't complain if Markus gets it, but if Theo continues to play like that, we will win a lot of basketball games.
-
Wasn’t just Markus though. The defense that Sacar and Theo were playing is another reason we were up ten instead of two. Scoring is not the only way to contribute. Best scorer is not always man of the match.
Yup. And Sacar had a great offensive first half. Laughable to say we would've been down 20 without Markus going into winning time. Markus shot 35% and had 5 turnovers.
-
Wasn’t just Markus though. The defense that Sacar and Theo were playing is another reason we were up ten instead of two. Scoring is not the only way to contribute. Best scorer is not always man of the match.
Not always, just in this case ;)
-
I dunno. All we talked about for 3 years here was how horsebleep our defense was. Now some of us say that in this particular game we like the defensive performance of two guys -- who also contributed quite a bit on offense -- and it's some kind proof that we don't appreciate Markus or some sign that we're stoopid?
I don't believe at any point I said stoopid or anything of the sort. But it seems a bit ridiculous and recency biased to see everyone saying Theo when Markus was our offense in the first half when we staked a 10 point lead and if the Hausers don't go ice cold from 3, it's probably 26/6/11.
I'm not saying Theo is a bad choice, but I remember days when 26 on its own would be automatic SOTG. Markus does it and virtually everyone is ho-hum.
-
I dunno. All we talked about for 3 years here was how horsebleep our defense was. Now some of us say that in this particular game we like the defensive performance of two guys -- who also contributed quite a bit on offense -- and it's some kind proof that we don't appreciate Markus or some sign that we're stoopid?
Brew will only vote for Markus as SOTG.
-
Theo
-
I believe that Stud can be won with defense.
-
Big Theo!
-
Brew will only vote for Markus as SOTG.
Only when he deserves it. Voted for Chartouny and Morrow this year too. He just deserves it often.
When a guy accounts for 57% of our points, is second in rebounding, and first in steals, it probably deserves some recognition.
-
I'll add...Ners was right. He was right about Rowsey. Our offense isn't what it was. Our defense is much better, but Wojo has a lot of work to do to get us close to last year. Without Markus, we wouldn't have an effective offense at all. So when he puts up monster numbers again and Scoop collectively shrugs, I'll point it out. I'll also note Pomeroy had Markus as MVP, his seventh of the year, so that's pretty in line with the site.
-
Wocky’s Gonna do what Wocky does, but I’d say:
1. Markus. Again, we don’t win without him putting us up 10 in the first half.
2. Theo. Monster. Both him and his game.
3. Sacar. Great D, stepped up when needed.
4. Sammy. 1,000 says a lot. So smooth.
Let’s get after Gtown. Go Warriors!
-
I don't believe at any point I said stoopid or anything of the sort. But it seems a bit ridiculous and recency biased to see everyone saying Theo when Markus was our offense in the first half when we staked a 10 point lead and if the Hausers don't go ice cold from 3, it's probably 26/6/11.
I'm not saying Theo is a bad choice, but I remember days when 26 on its own would be automatic SOTG. Markus does it and virtually everyone is ho-hum.
But what about Sacar? He was the one who also scored with Markus in the 1H. He contained one of the leagues best players. He knocked down key 3s in the 1H when no one else could buy a shot. He had two key buckets to immediately answer SHU tying the game. He also made the winning play finding Joey.
Markus had a great stat line and could win the SOTG. But he also was brutal for basically a whole half. It’s not unreasonable to think Sacar and even Theo had more studly impact.
-
Something to consider when choosing SOTG. Did we win with our offense, or our defense? Before SH fouled Joey with 27 seconds left, we only scored 26 points in the first 19:30 of the half. While that's not terrible, it's not the offensive game that we had against CU.
This game was won with defense. At the under 16 in the first half SH had 10 points. At the under 4, they had 21. Only allowing 11 points over that 12 minute stretch is how we were up 10 at half. With 6 1/2 minutes left, SH had 58 points. Holding them to 8 the rest of the game, when they were extending is how we were able to win. There will be games where we win with our offense, and in those games Markus will likely be stud, this just was not one of them.
-
I would have no issue with Markus being selected. He was the biggest factor on offense. I think Theo was the biggest factor on the defensive end and the game was won on the defensive end. That's why I picked Theo.
-
Theo.
Played 31 minutes (a career high), scored 10 points, pulled down 11 rebounds (another career high, including 6 on the offensive end), blocked 3 shots and altered countless more. Plus a steal and an assist. And he only committed 3 fouls.
Theo's defensive presence changed the game. He neutralized Seton Hall's slashers and inside players almost single-handedly. The result was the 2nd worst offensive efficiency of the season for the Pirates.
Markus, Sam and Sacar all made big contributions. But Theo was the stud of this game.
-
Kenpom also has Markus as the game MVP. I understand he was just okay for him, but he was still SOTG
KenPom. The same KenPom who everyone keeps quoting WISCONSIN MADISON BADGERS as the 15th best in country? I’m beginning to double think him.
(BLAH FUGGIN BLAH about how it’s tempo related, just cause Curtis Ken
Pompey says so doesn’t mean it’s always right.)
-
Theo altered so many shots and filled the stat sheet. Theo for SOTG.
-
I think Markus. If he was a freshman and we did not know his greatness we would all vote for him immediately
-
Theo definitely the stud.
-
If any player did what Markus did today they would win this award
-
We needed every one of the points that Markus scored. He put up 26, was 9-9 from the line, grabbed 6 boards, dished 6 assists and had 2 steals.
However...he shot just 4-11 (36.4%) from 2-point range, 3-9 (33.3%) from beyond the arc, and had 5 turnovers. For someone who used so many possessions, he didn't use them very efficiently -- which helped keep Seton Hall in the game. Not the most studly performance in this game, in my opinion.
-
After the game I was thinking Sacar. Then read the thread and started to reconsider Theo. He did a lot of nice work this game. Considered the Markus arguments but his second half dragged him down. Sure all 26 points were needed and he did not play a bad game, but just not SOTG worthy considering Sacar and Theo contributions. In the end, Sacar made the play of the game and that's what tipped the scales in his favor over Theo.
Everyone can move on now.
-
I don't believe at any point I said stoopid or anything of the sort. But it seems a bit ridiculous and recency biased to see everyone saying Theo when Markus was our offense in the first half when we staked a 10 point lead and if the Hausers don't go ice cold from 3, it's probably 26/6/11.
I'm not saying Theo is a bad choice, but I remember days when 26 on its own would be automatic SOTG. Markus does it and virtually everyone is ho-hum.
Brew dont disagree, i personally voted for theo on what he did alone. Down the stretch layups, rebounds, blocks, and made free throws all during winning time. Markus had a great first half unfortunately when the tide was turning he was turning the ball over n chucking up airballs. Im inclined to agree with you, but i think theo stood out enuff to day to trump markuss efforts.
-
Theo. Defense won this game.
-
TJ. Even though he was charged with a foul for screening a guy off Markus, a SH defender kind of bounced off him--like he hit a wall. He did. Maybe the guy was tryng sell the foul but it was great picture of pure strength.
-
I don't believe at any point I said stoopid or anything of the sort. But it seems a bit ridiculous and recency biased to see everyone saying Theo when Markus was our offense in the first half when we staked a 10 point lead and if the Hausers don't go ice cold from 3, it's probably 26/6/11.
I'm not saying Theo is a bad choice, but I remember days when 26 on its own would be automatic SOTG. Markus does it and virtually everyone is ho-hum.
I think it's great that we have a team that can win in a variety of ways, so now 26 ISN'T an automatic SOTG.
I don't know who is "ho-hum." A few of us just think that, based on what we saw, Sacar or Theo deserve it more this time for this very defense-oriented win.
Also, I'd have to go back and actually read what Ners said about Rowsey leaving, but IIRC he thought we'd be a worse team, not just a worse offense. Lately, he's arguing that Wojo is a dope for having Markus inbound the ball because the play Ners would have run would have worked better ... yep, better than the one that resulted in a game-tying 3 and OT win.
But that's neither here nor there in the SOTG discussion. I go Sacar, Theo, Markus. And I'd be perfectly happy with any of 'em.
-
Rewatched the game this afternoon, paying attention to the contributions Theo made that didn't show up in the box score.
By my count, he contested at least 17 shots -- which led to his 3 blocks and another 5 or 6 missed field goals on the low block. His help defense on the baseline also led to 2 turnovers when Seton Hall lost the ball out of bounds.
Theo also set something like 16 screens. Those screens created space for all three of the 3-pointers Markus made, two of Markus' baskets on drives to the paint -- plus the drive where Markus kicked to Sacar for a three in the corner, plus the drive where Sacar found Joey inside. Markus repaid the favor when he found Theo rolling to the basket after a screen for a big dunk.
Of the three freshmen last season, Theo has shown the most improvement. He's earned a starting position and more playing time than a fourth-year junior and a fifth-year senior. His court awareness, instincts, mobility, length and athleticism give Marquette a defensive presence we haven't seen in a while. And I think he has the potential to improve even further.
-
Umm, guys. We play in 36 hours so getting a SOTG up for the Hall game is a 'this morning' kind of thing.
-
Umm, guys. We play in 36 hours so getting a SOTG up for the Hall game is a 'this morning' kind of thing.
These dang mods are slackin' off again. Inexcusable, given that we keep raising their pay!
-
It's the government shutdown and snow day in DC. Slows everything down, right?
-
Umm, guys. We play in 36 hours so getting a SOTG up for the Hall game is a 'this morning' kind of thing.
Report post button ;)
Telling us does nothing, report is the only way to insure it gets to the right people.
-
Rocky is just busy looking for the right picture. Think it is this one.
-
Report post button ;)
Telling us does nothing, report is the only way to insure it gets to the right people.
Your idea reminded me of a great story from the past
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/2/8535259/penis-pothole-activism-wanksy-england
Not all heroes wear capes
-
No Marquette player since 2010 has put up 26/6/6.
Markus got robbed. Good choice of picture for Theo.
-
No Marquette player since 2010 has put up 26/6/6.
Markus got robbed. Good choice of picture for Theo.
Rumor is McDermott was circulating that picture of Theo to his players as a reminder not to challenge the monster.
-
No Marquette player since 2010 has put up 26/6/6.
Rowsey did it twice last year.
EDIT: And he was near unanimous SOTG pick, though my wife did snag one vote for attending Rowsey's Senior Day game just hours before heading to the hospital to be induced (and putting off induction for a day to make sure we got to the game.)
-
Rowsey did it twice last year.
EDIT: And he was near unanimous SOTG pick, though my wife did snag one vote for attending Rowsey's Senior Day game just hours before heading to the hospital to be induced (and putting off induction for a day to make sure we got to the game.)
I was actually on my way back to correct my post since I misread the stat. 26/6/6 has been matched by ONE MU player this decade. It was Rowsey, you're correct.
-
No Marquette player since 2010 has put up 26/6/6.
Markus got robbed. Good choice of picture for Theo.
Markus only gets the easy SOTGs.
-
I think it's close to inarguable that Joey is one of our top 3 players this season. Amazing that in 14 wins he doesn't have a single SOTG, but 5 other players have 2 or more.
Does it say anything that his arguably two best performances came in our two blowout losses? As a freshman he makes a really good robin but not a batman?
-
I have a feeling Joey's time will come, when we need it most.
-
Rewatched the game this afternoon, paying attention to the contributions Theo made that didn't show up in the box score.
By my count, he contested at least 17 shots -- which led to his 3 blocks and another 5 or 6 missed field goals on the low block. His help defense on the baseline also led to 2 turnovers when Seton Hall lost the ball out of bounds.
Theo also set something like 16 screens. Those screens created space for all three of the 3-pointers Markus made, two of Markus' baskets on drives to the paint -- plus the drive where Markus kicked to Sacar for a three in the corner, plus the drive where Sacar found Joey inside. Markus repaid the favor when he found Theo rolling to the basket after a screen for a big dunk.
Of the three freshmen last season, Theo has shown the most improvement. He's earned a starting position and more playing time than a fourth-year junior and a fifth-year senior. His court awareness, instincts, mobility, length and athleticism give Marquette a defensive presence we haven't seen in a while. And I think he has the potential to improve even further.
I agree with all of this. Theo is a beast. But he is a liability at games end when the fouls start flying at 50% FT. Hope he can boost that to 60-67%
-
I agree with all of this. Theo is a beast. But he is a liability at games end when the fouls start flying at 50% FT. Hope he can boost that to 60-67%
FWIW he's been shooting 66.7% in our last 6 games. 12/18 since Buffalo. And that does represent nearly half his FT attempts this year (7/20 in the first 11 games).
-
I was actually on my way back to correct my post since I misread the stat. 26/6/6 has been matched by ONE MU player this decade. It was Rowsey, you're correct.
26/6/6 isn't a "thing."
These stat combos that ESPN types like to yammer on about are bad enough when they're even numbers. But "Kamara is the first RB in history to post 2 seasons of 1,100 yards rushing, 850 yards receiving and 13 TDs" is silliness. Doesn't mean Kamara wasn't good; it's just that the combination is a "so what?"
P.S.: I wonder how many times Larry Bird went 26/6/6 at Indiana State?!?!
-
I agree with all of this. Theo is a beast.
I should have also mentioned his motor. Theo always seems to go 100% and never gives up on a play. A good percentage of his blocks have come on breakaways when he's chasing down a player from behind. His energy has got to be contagious for the team.
-
Rowsey did it twice last year.
EDIT: And he was near unanimous SOTG pick, though my wife did snag one vote for attending Rowsey's Senior Day game just hours before heading to the hospital to be induced (and putting off induction for a day to make sure we got to the game.)
You had a kid? GTFOOH. Had no idea.
-
What? Just because Sacar had 14 points, 2 steals, the biggest assist of the game, and dogged Powell all afternoon ... you're trying to say Sand-Knit was wrong about Sacar being the worst player in basketball history? Shame on you, tower!
I think I go with Sacar for SOTG, but Theo obviously is very worthy, too.
Nice to be able to win when Markus struggles as he did in the second half.
This is why ur a poor journalist, you use hyperbole, lies and distortion to attempt to get people to believe things that were not said and are untrue.
Never said that about Sacar, said he was arguably the worst 2g in the BE. That the 2g spot is usually one of greater efficiency and production and that MU would be significantly more dangerous and that much of our offensive struggles come from the deficiencies at that position. And when you look at Alexander and Powell in our last two games and Phil Booth and on down the line at the 2G, i stand by that position. You can distort, lie and twist all you want. I guess it’s what u are used to.
-
This is why ur a poor journalist, you use hyperbole, lies and distortion to attempt to get people to believe things that were not said and are untrue.
Never said that about Sacar, said he was arguably the worst 2g in the BE. That the 2g spot is usually one of greater efficiency and production and that MU would be significantly more dangerous and that much of our offensive struggles come from the deficiencies at that position. And when you look at Alexander and Powell in our last two games and Phil Booth and on down the line at the 2G, i stand by that position. You can distort, lie and twist all you want. I guess it’s what u are used to.
Actually, here is a cut-and-paste of exactly what you said:
Sacar is simple not very good at all. His early 3s are brutal. His free throws are terrible and his defense is average at best. Worst 2 in BE by far.
But yes, I'm the one who uses hyperbole.
How does somebody who is not very good at all average 12 points in BE play? How does he make that gorgeous behind-the-back assist to Theo? (Sorry if "gorgeous" is hyperbole.) How does the worst 2 in the BE by far hold Powell (who is probably the best 2 in the BE) below his season average, forcing Powell into 5 turnovers and 42% shooting?
See, when a writer intentionally uses hyperbole, it is what's called a "writing tool." So when I say a person who calls Sacar (and Luke) "bad" is proving that he knows less about basketball than most 4-year-olds, I don't really think the person knows less than most 4-year-olds. I fully acknowledge he might know as much as most 5-year-olds. Maybe even 6-year-olds!
The above, my spelling-and-grammar-averse friend, is an example of hyperbole being used as a writing tool.
On the other hand, when you get all hyperbolic by using the word "bad" to describe a player who obviously isn't bad, that's just a tool using hyperbole.
Sacar is a solid BEast player who most games contributes far more than his point total indicates. He has improved offensively, and he's still improving. If all that wasn't the case, Wojo wouldn't play him the kind of minutes he gets. I'm glad we have him.
Gotta run now and support our basketball team. You know ... the one that includes the worst 2-guard in the history of mankind.
-
The stats are relative, im glad he is averaging 12 a game in the BE. Again go down the list, Booth?, Alexander?, Powell, Heron? Strus?
I stated he is the worst in the BE, maybe the same hypebole you used when you stated I said worst in America. Whether he is the actual worst, he remains what i have said numerous times, one of the worst and and no where what a top 15 team usually can expect from the 2g, especially with his fg and ft shooting.
Now you can write paragraph after paragraph defending your distortions. I guess thats what journalists do now a days. Lie to others and lie to themselves.
-
The stats are relative, im glad he is averaging 12 a game in the BE. Again go down the list, Booth?, Alexander?, Powell, Heron? Strus?
I stated he is the worst in the BE, maybe the same hypebole you used when you stated I said worst in America. Whether he is the actual worst, he remains what i have said numerous times, one of the worst and and no where what a top 15 team usually can expect from the 2g, especially with his fg and ft shooting.
Now you can write paragraph after paragraph defending your distortions. I guess thats what journalists do now a days. Lie to others and lie to themselves.
You didn't say "one of the worst." You said "worst 2 in BE by far."
Desperate, pathetic people turn to lies when they are wrong. Rather than own what they said, they try to make believe they said something else ... but it's right there in black and white.
Thank goodness we had Sacar tonight. Even on a night when he didn't shoot well, he came up huge over and over again, and he even did a more than passable job at the point. He was a major reason we scored a big road win without the BEast MVP.
Sacar is fairly similar to Lockett, the steady eddie for Buzz's E8 team, but IMHO Sacar is more athletic and more talented all-around. And his stats are better, too. I'm guessing you also hated Lockett and thought we could never be a good team with him in the lineup.
You've boxed yourself in on this. You can't possibly admit that Sacar helps this team now, no matter what he does. He's averaging 12 a game for a sure NCAA tourney team, but you can't give him credit. Must be sad to be so dug in when you're so wrong.
But sure, keep bashing a valuable player for this eminently likable team. That's being a great fan.
-
You didn't say "one of the worst." You said "worst 2 in BE by far."
Desperate, pathetic people turn to lies when they are wrong. Rather than own what they said, they try to make believe they said something else ... but it's right there in black and white.
Thank goodness we had Sacar tonight. Even on a night when he didn't shoot well, he came up huge over and over again, and he even did a more than passable job at the point. He was a major reason we scored a big road win without the BEast MVP.
Sacar is fairly similar to Lockett, the steady eddie for Buzz's E8 team, but IMHO Sacar is more athletic and more talented all-around. And his stats are better, too. I'm guessing you also hated Lockett and thought we could never be a good team with him in the lineup.
You've boxed yourself in on this. You can't possibly admit that Sacar helps this team now, no matter what he does. He's averaging 12 a game for a sure NCAA tourney team, but you can't give him credit. Must be sad to be so dug in when you're so wrong.
But sure, keep bashing a valuable player for this eminently likable team. That's being a great fan.
Very very dense. Not not giving Sacar credit. Simply saying he is not as good as the other 2s in the league, as ive said all along. Have you always struggled?
-
Very very dense. Not not giving Sacar credit. Simply saying he is not as good as the other 2s in the league, as ive said all along. Have you always struggled?
By far. Not very good at all.
Hey man, those were your words, not mine.
I know ... it's rough being reminded of them, but don't shoot the messenger.
-
Markus should have been the SOTG for SH game. That is why he sat out today.
-
The stats are relative, im glad he is averaging 12 a game in the BE. Again go down the list,
Okay. Here are the starting 2Gs in the Big East along with their basic stats:
Butler: Kamar Baldwin 34.3 mpg, 17.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg, 2.8 tpg, 46.7 eFG%
Creighton: Ty-Shon Alexander 32.7 mpg, 17.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.1 tpg, 56.6 eFG%
DePaul: Jalen Coleman-Lands 29.9 mpg, 9.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.0 bpg, 1.7 tpg, 42.7 eFG%
Georgetown: Mac McClung 25.5 mpg, 12.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.7 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.8 tpg, 45.0 eFG%
Marquette: Sacar Anim 28.0 mpg, 7.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.1 tpg, 47.0 eFG%
Providence: David Duke 24.9 mpg, 7.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.8 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.5 bpg, 2.4 tpg, 41.9 eFG%
Seton Hall: Myles Powell 35.7 mpg, 22.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.6 tpg, 56.6 eFG%
St. John's: Justin Simon 33.6 mpg, 10.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.8 tpg, 52.3 eFG%
Villanova: Phil Booth 34.4 mpg, 18.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.9 tpg, 57.4 eFG%
Xavier: Paul Scruggs 31.5 mpg, 13.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.7 tpg, 42.9 eFG%
I mean I get he's not Powell, Booth or Alexander, but I'm putting him above Duke and Coleman-Lands for sure and I think he's above McClung especially when you factor in his defense. Now Duke and McClung are freshmen so they have higher ceilings than Anim but right now, Anim is better.
So even your scaled back statement of not as good as the other 2s in the league isn't correct. He's middle of the pack compared to the rest of the league. Below average, but he definitely belongs.
You also used "worst 2 in the BE by far" and "simply not very good at all". These seem hyperbolous at best.
-
Okay. Here are the starting 2Gs in the Big East along with their basic stats:
Butler: Kamar Baldwin 34.3 mpg, 17.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg, 2.8 tpg, 46.7 eFG%
Creighton: Ty-Shon Alexander 32.7 mpg, 17.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.1 tpg, 56.6 eFG%
DePaul: Jalen Coleman-Lands 29.9 mpg, 9.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.0 bpg, 1.7 tpg, 42.7 eFG%
Georgetown: Mac McClung 25.5 mpg, 12.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.7 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.8 tpg, 45.0 eFG%
Marquette: Sacar Anim 28.0 mpg, 7.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.1 tpg, 47.0 eFG%
Providence: David Duke 24.9 mpg, 7.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.8 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.5 bpg, 2.4 tpg, 41.9 eFG%
Seton Hall: Myles Powell 35.7 mpg, 22.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.6 tpg, 56.6 eFG%
St. John's: Justin Simon 33.6 mpg, 10.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.8 tpg, 52.3 eFG%
Villanova: Phil Booth 34.4 mpg, 18.2 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg, 1.9 tpg, 57.4 eFG%
Xavier: Paul Scruggs 31.5 mpg, 13.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.7 tpg, 42.9 eFG%
I mean I get he's not Powell, Booth or Alexander, but I'm putting him above Duke and Coleman-Lands for sure and I think he's above McClung especially when you factor in his defense. Now Duke and McClung are freshmen so they have higher ceilings than Anim but right now, Anim is better.
So even your scaled back statement of not as good as the other 2s in the league isn't correct. He's middle of the pack compared to the rest of the league. Below average, but he definitely belongs.
You also used "worst 2 in the BE by far" and "simply not very good at all". These seem hyperbolous at best.
Good stuff as usual, TAMU.
Plus, stats don't always reflect the kind of role we need Sacar to play. We don't need a scoring 2 because we have a 1 who is the leading scorer in the Big East. It's like a baseball team that can have a singles hitter at 1B because they have a slugger at 2B. Sacar has grown very nicely into his role, and I have grown quite comfortable with him in it.
As I said, reminds me quite a bit of Lockett.
Two things we know for sure:
Sacar by far isn't the worst "by far"! And Sacar obviously is a lot better than "not very good at all."