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Title: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2019, 02:23:13 PM
Getting married to Miss Universe
https://nypost.com/2019/01/10/tim-tebow-engaged-to-former-miss-universe-demi-leigh-nel-peters/
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: theBabyDavid on January 10, 2019, 02:51:44 PM
Dude's finally gonna cut a slice. 31 years dry.

Looks like his gal can teach him some tricks, aina?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 10, 2019, 08:05:00 PM
now thats a spicy a meatball!! schwing schwing schwing
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 10, 2019, 08:20:56 PM
Dude's finally gonna cut a slice. 31 years dry.

Looks like his gal can teach him some tricks, aina?

3 humps or 2, ya figure?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: mudeltaforcegurl on January 10, 2019, 08:32:24 PM
Behind every successful man is a beautiful woman.  :-* Maybe more accurately men appear successful when they are with a beautiful woman.  :P :-* ;D
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: theBabyDavid on January 11, 2019, 07:19:43 AM
3 humps or 2, ya figure?

10 second time on target x 3

Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 11, 2019, 09:00:39 AM
10 second time on target x 3

I'll take the under.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 17, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
3 secs. in da lane, hey?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 17, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
Invited to Major League camp.  I so hope he makes the team to watch heads explode. 

http://tv5.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25788660/tim-tebow-open-spring-training-new-york-mets-major-league-camp?platform=amp
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2019, 12:28:18 AM
Invited to Major League camp.  I so hope he makes the team to watch heads explode. 

http://tv5.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25788660/tim-tebow-open-spring-training-new-york-mets-major-league-camp?platform=amp

Explode for good reason.  He was not in the top 50 in any batting category in the Eastern League, and his OPS was barely top 75.  There are 3 diff AA leagues so he's likely not in the top 125 hitters in AA, plus he's 30.  If he was any other minor leaguer, he'd be lucky to be there.

Kudos for working hard and chasing a "dream" but give me a break.  The Mets are desperate for eyeballs and attention.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 01:24:43 AM
Explode for good reason.  He was not in the top 50 in any batting category in the Eastern League, and his OPS was barely top 75.  There are 3 diff AA leagues so he's likely not in the top 125 hitters in AA, plus he's 30.  If he was any other minor leaguer, he'd be lucky to be there.

Kudos for working hard and chasing a "dream" but give me a break.  The Mets are desperate for eyeballs and attention.

Point is that the experts said he wouldn’t get out of rookie ball, and a lot of the anti comments against him are because of his belief system....sadly.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: PTM on January 18, 2019, 05:43:57 AM
Point is that the experts said he wouldn’t get out of rookie ball, and a lot of the anti comments against him are because of his belief system....sadly.

Could it be because he's just weird and cringey?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2019, 08:25:32 AM
Point is that the experts said he wouldn’t get out of rookie ball, and a lot of the anti comments against him are because of his belief system....sadly.

Nah.  He was fellated by the media because of "his belief system" and the legion of weirdos that follow him, despite the fact that he was a poor NFL quarterback and now is a poor professional baseball player.  He's clearly being strung along by the Mets for publicity reasons.  No other 30 year old with his stats would be given these same opportunities.

Not that I care.  The Mets are a joke.  This is just further evidence of that.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 09:50:06 AM
Could it be because he's just weird and cringey?

Weird because his belief system is different than others?  I’d call it rather interesting since that side levels same acccusations towards others around other belief systems.

How about we all get along and accept each other’s weirdness?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 18, 2019, 09:50:42 AM
Nah.  He was fellated by the media because of "his belief system" and the legion of weirdos that follow him, despite the fact that he was a poor NFL quarterback and now is a poor professional baseball player.  He's clearly being strung along by the Mets for publicity reasons.  No other 30 year old with his stats would be given these same opportunities.

Not that I care.  The Mets are a joke.  This is just further evidence of that.

Revisionist history to fit a victim complex narrative? Not the Chicos I know!
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2019, 09:55:07 AM
Point is that the experts said he wouldn’t get out of rookie ball, and a lot of the anti comments against him are because of his belief system....sadly.

"Anti comments"...you mean a bunch of jokes?  And my post which was 100% statistically based?  There has been nothing here that was anti-Tebow, there was more positive than otherwise.

Experts said he wouldn't get out of rookie ball cause he hadn't played baseball in years and was in his late 20s, not cause of discrimination.  Being invited to spring training and being promoted by a floundering organization via preferential treatment doesn't mean he somehow overcame all his haters.

He's made millions because of the cult of personality around his belief system otherwise he'd be just another great college player, failed pro doing 3rd team color commentary on the SEC network.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2019, 10:23:34 AM
And to be fair, he was a legitimately great college quarterback. It is no exaggeration to say he is one of the best five of all time.  He also is a decent TV personality and will get better.  But it is clear that the Mets are using his celebrity, and I in no way blame him for that. By all accounts he works hard and is a good guy. But you have to acknowledge the obvious truth here.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 18, 2019, 10:28:58 AM
And to be fair, he was a legitimately great college quarterback. It is no exaggeration to say he is one of the best five of all time.  He also is a decent TV personality and will get better.  But it is clear that the Mets are using his celebrity, and I in know way blame him for that. By all accounts he works hard and is a good guy. But you have to acknowledge the obvious truth here.

Every word of this is true.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 10:44:39 AM
Nah.  He was fellated by the media because of "his belief system" and the legion of weirdos that follow him, despite the fact that he was a poor NFL quarterback and now is a poor professional baseball player.  He's clearly being strung along by the Mets for publicity reasons.  No other 30 year old with his stats would be given these same opportunities.

Not that I care.  The Mets are a joke.  This is just further evidence of that.

Tolerance ---- imagine if he was Muslim and sports writers, comedians, every day people said they things they did about him because of his faith. It would be universally shunned.  But, you know, he was Christian and overtly so, therefore attack at will.  FIRE AWAY.

“IN MY TIME OF PLAYING HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE AND PRO I HAD PEOPLE SAY THE MOST HORRIFIC THINGS TO ME: SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO MY SISTERS AND MOM, THEY’RE TELLING ME WHERE TO SHOVE MY BIBLE, THEY’RE SPITTING IN MY FACE, THEY’RE GIVING CHEAP SHOTS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS TO ME, AND SO I KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE TAKE CHEAP SHOTS AND SAY THINGS TO YOU, BUT YOU ALSO GOT TO KNOW AT THAT MOMENT THAT YOU’RE WINNING, THAT YOU’RE UNDER THEIR SKIN, SO YOU CAN’T DIP DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY DOMINATING THEM. THEY’RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY’RE ALREADY INTIMIDATED, THEY’RE DISAPPOINTED, THEY’RE UPSET BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE.”


From others

”Inside the NFL” analyst and former Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Cris  Collinsworth concluded that much of the hatred against Tebow was based on his  religious beliefs. Responding to a question from fellow host James ‘JB’ Brown,  Collinsworth showed his disgust for Tebow’s treatment: ”It’s unbelievable,  though, JB, that one of the best kids – just pure kids that’s ever come into the  NFL – is hated because of his faith, because of his mission work, because of the  fact that he wears it on his sleeve, because of the fact that he lives his life  that he talks about.”


And CBS analyst and former 49ers offensive lineman Randy Cross blamed  the media for anti-Tebow coverage: ”People, especially the media, root  against him because of what he stands for.

‘Daily Show’ comedian John Oliver declared:  ”I dislike Robert Mugabe. I hate Tim Tebow.”

Brown and Collinsworth concluded that much of the hatred against Tebow was  based on faith. Brown pointed out: ”There’s a number of guys who come into the  league with a big marquee, fat paychecks, a lot of attention, and folks don’t  seem to hate them with the same intensity that they hate Tim Tebow.”  Collinsworth concurred with Brown: ”I couldn’t agree with you more. And it’s  kind of a sad commentary, that, you know, if someone is out carousing every  night, the Joe Namath thing, or whatever, they’re American heroes, and Tim  Tebow, who’s working in missions in Asia somewhere, is a guy that we’re going to  vilify.”
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: jesmu84 on January 18, 2019, 10:50:10 AM
Same amount of tolerance for kneelers, Aina?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Yeah. It's hard to be a white, Christian male in America these days.  ::)
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 10:51:52 AM
And to be fair, he was a legitimately great college quarterback. It is no exaggeration to say he is one of the best five of all time.  He also is a decent TV personality and will get better.  But it is clear that the Mets are using his celebrity, and I in know way blame him for that. By all accounts he works hard and is a good guy. But you have to acknowledge the obvious truth here.

Yes
Yes
Maybe.  How about we see how he performs...might be a good idea.  How many "experts" said he wouldn't succeed at rookie ball, and he did.  Or Single A, and he did.  The odds are stacked against him, but he has already proven some of the so called experts wrong.

“We’ve got guys who’ve been playing five, six, seven years not having the success he’s had at Double-A,” Harrisburg manager Matt LeCroy said. “A lot of people probably thought he could not do that and now he’s starting to thrive in Double-A.”

“To hold your own after being out of it for however long he had been, you got to give the guy credit,” New Hampshire manager John Schneider said. “Baseball is a hard thing and hitting is a really hard thing. To show improvement and hold his own here in Double-A is pretty impressive.”

But remember this.....

“His presence here is a farce, and he looks like an impostor pretending to have talent he does not possess,” ESPN’s baseball insider wrote.

“There’s no hope this thing turns around,” Fox Sports wrote. “Scouts - given no choice but to evaluate this out-of-place media member - have been turning in scathing reports about Tebow’s long swing, poor fielding, and bad pitch recognition.”



TDS is pretty strong with way too many.  https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/nfl/os-tim-tebow-hate-david-whitley-0630-20160629-column.html
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: jficke13 on January 18, 2019, 10:51:57 AM
This thread, it's really going places.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 10:52:17 AM
Same amount of tolerance for kneelers, Aina?

Tebow is a kneeler, and crucified for it.  Thus the irony of your statement.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 10:52:36 AM
Yeah. It's hard to be a white, Christian male in America these days.  ::)

And there it is......I prefer not to pretend how hard or easy it is for anyone in this country, since everyone has their own unique circumstances.

I can talk about a white, male, Christian relative of mine fighting cancer at the moment as an example. But to each their own.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 10:59:52 AM
Revisionist history to fit a victim complex narrative? Not the Chicos I know!

Revisionist?  I provided plenty of examples to prove you wrong...again.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 18, 2019, 11:00:48 AM
Yeah. It's hard to be a white, Christian male in America these days.  ::)

I thought you were leaving.  Things slow down in Indiana?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
I thought you were leaving.  Things slow down in DaPier?

The pontiff of Scoop
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2019, 11:08:34 AM
Yes
Yes
Maybe.  How about we see how he performs...might be a good idea.  How many "experts" said he wouldn't succeed at rookie ball, and he did.  Or Single A, and he did.  The odds are stacked against him, but he has already proven some of the so called experts wrong.

“We’ve got guys who’ve been playing five, six, seven years not having the success he’s had at Double-A,” Harrisburg manager Matt LeCroy said. “A lot of people probably thought he could not do that and now he’s starting to thrive in Double-A.”

“To hold your own after being out of it for however long he had been, you got to give the guy credit,” New Hampshire manager John Schneider said. “Baseball is a hard thing and hitting is a really hard thing. To show improvement and hold his own here in Double-A is pretty impressive.”

But remember this.....

“His presence here is a farce, and he looks like an impostor pretending to have talent he does not possess,” ESPN’s baseball insider wrote.

“There’s no hope this thing turns around,” Fox Sports wrote. “Scouts - given no choice but to evaluate this out-of-place media member - have been turning in scathing reports about Tebow’s long swing, poor fielding, and bad pitch recognition.”



TDS is pretty strong with way too many.  https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/nfl/os-tim-tebow-hate-david-whitley-0630-20160629-column.html

"See how he performs".  He's played plenty of baseball.  The secret is out.  Again, I'm not going to engage in your pathetic attempts to turn this into a discrimination topic.  Sticking to baseball, thats a MAGNIFICENT cherry pick.  Two random minor league managers praise him in typical soft post game chatter, and you use that to say that what scouts and execs are saying is just media bias.

He batted .231 and .220 in Single A.  Under .200 in Rookie ball. Get out of our face with this proving the experts wrong.  He was horrific in spring training after hitting under .230 in Single A and they still promoted him to AA because its all a publicity stunt.  Can't wait for him to go 2-25 in spring training this year against real pitching and you praise him for exceeding expectations and doubling his hit total from last year.  Its professional sports, not Make a Wish.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: jesmu84 on January 18, 2019, 11:12:05 AM
Tebow is a kneeler, and crucified for it.  Thus the irony of your statement.

So you agree those who knelt during the anthem should have been treated with tolerance. Cool
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 18, 2019, 11:54:06 AM
And there it is......I prefer not to pretend how hard or easy it is for anyone in this country, since everyone has their own unique circumstances.

I can talk about a white, male, Christian relative of mine fighting cancer at the moment as an example. But to each their own.

Haughty reductionist bullsh*t
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 18, 2019, 01:31:36 PM
Point is that the experts said he wouldn’t get out of rookie ball, and a lot of the anti comments against him are because of his belief system....sadly.
As is a lot of the baseless cheering for him...sadly.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 18, 2019, 01:37:49 PM
I can talk about a white, male, Christian relative of mine fighting cancer at the moment as an example. But to each their own.
The difficulties of having cancer have zero to do with one's race, gender, or religious beliefs.  Either you know this and still insist on making a dumb point for the sake of defending how tough it is to be a white, male, christian, or....well, no one could possibly be that stupid.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: CTWarrior on January 18, 2019, 03:17:56 PM
As is a lot of the baseless cheering for him...sadly.

Why is it baseless to root for what seems to be a genuinely good guy?  I couldn't care less about Tim Tebow, regardless of his athletic future I don't think he'll be eating in a soup kitchen any time soon.  I suppose if you mean baseless solely in terms of his baseball ability, you have a point.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Anti-Dentite on January 18, 2019, 03:32:04 PM
And there it is......I prefer not to pretend how hard or easy it is for anyone in this country, since everyone has their own unique circumstances.

I can talk about a white, male, Christian relative of mine fighting cancer at the moment as an example. But to each their own.
Jesus H. Christ  ::)
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 18, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
Why is it baseless to root for what seems to be a genuinely good guy?  I couldn't care less about Tim Tebow, regardless of his athletic future I don't think he'll be eating in a soup kitchen any time soon.  I suppose if you mean baseless solely in terms of his baseball ability, you have a point.
Yes, based on his sports ability.  Those cheering for him aren't doing so because he manages to hit .225 in Double A ball.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: MUDish on January 18, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
So do you guys think he’ll finally get laid?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: ZaLiN on January 18, 2019, 06:05:46 PM
So do you guys think he’ll finally get laid?

Pants half off and it’ll be over
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 18, 2019, 06:23:43 PM
They can pray together for a while first.  That should set the mood.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2019, 07:38:14 PM
The difficulties of having cancer have zero to do with one's race, gender, or religious beliefs.  Either you know this and still insist on making a dumb point for the sake of defending how tough it is to be a white, male, christian, or....well, no one could possibly be that stupid.

Every situation is different.  The pontiff made a claim it was easier, something that is false as every situation is different.  That is the point.  No one knows the situation each person has, which is why I brought it up.  In the situation I referenced, you wouldn't know this person has the disease, he is battling it every day, but doesn't show the outward signs.  Does he have advantages vs others? For some he does, for others he doesn't. Let's not pretend we know what everyone's advantages are.  It is curious how people slam some of us here for generalizations, and when we point out generalizations by some of you they are ignored as no big deal.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 18, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
They can pray together for a while first.  That should set the mood.

  you seem to be troubled over the fact that tim tebow prays a little bit...i highly doubt you would be this critical of him if he were of muslim faith as opposed to Christian.  shame on you ts.  as mentioned/asked above, what wrong has tim tebow himself committed to be scrutinized and/or mocked as such? i think most would agree the world would be a much better place if we had more like mr. tebow
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: The Hamberdler on January 18, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
TDS is pretty strong with way too many. 

Are you just going off the deep end now that you have cultivated two Scoop personas for a while? (Complete with separate IP addresses in Bulgaria and Turkmenistan of course)

Assuming this is the sacrificial account.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 19, 2019, 07:11:19 AM
Are you just going off the deep end now that you have cultivated two Scoop personas for a while? (Complete with separate IP addresses in Bulgaria and Turkmenistan of course)

Assuming this is the sacrificial account.

so are you denying that there really is a "tebow derangement syndrome"(tds) or are you just hung up on a certain poster who seems to live rent free in your knoggin?  if ya can't argue the premise, attack the person? the ole-freeze-personalize-polarize m.o. eyn'a?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: tower912 on January 19, 2019, 09:39:15 AM
 I think the Tebow derangement syndrome is approximately equal to the Kaepernick derangement syndrome and with about the same amount of merit.    Also says more about the sufferers of said syndrome than it does about either Tebow or Kaepernick. 
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 19, 2019, 09:57:00 AM
Every situation is different.  The pontiff made a claim it was easier, something that is false as every situation is different.  That is the point.  No one knows the situation each person has, which is why I brought it up.  In the situation I referenced, you wouldn't know this person has the disease, he is battling it every day, but doesn't show the outward signs.  Does he have advantages vs others? For some he does, for others he doesn't. Let's not pretend we know what everyone's advantages are.  It is curious how people slam some of us here for generalizations, and when we point out generalizations by some of you they are ignored as no big deal.
Do you truly not understand the difference between a person who has an illness and the institutional biases and discrimination faced by non-whites and women?  Because while I have lots of opinions of you, Chicos, you being stupid isn't one of them.  But if you are somehow conflating cancer with race and gender I guess I'll have to rethink that.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: mu03eng on January 19, 2019, 09:58:06 AM
I think the Tebow derangement syndrome is approximately equal to the Kaepernick derangement syndrome and with about the same amount of merit.    Also says more about the sufferers of said syndrome than it does about either Tebow or Kaepernick.

Well at least we got something intelligent out of this thread
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 19, 2019, 10:03:45 AM
  you seem to be troubled over the fact that tim tebow prays a little bit...i highly doubt you would be this critical of him if he were of muslim faith as opposed to Christian.  shame on you ts. 
Once again, Boo Boo, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.  You/re very, very wrong...par for the course.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 19, 2019, 10:18:22 AM
Are you just going off the deep end now that you have cultivated two Scoop personas for a while? (Complete with separate IP addresses in Bulgaria and Turkmenistan of course)

Assuming this is the sacrificial account.

Nope.  One account.

The pontiff said that the media favorited him, totally ignoring the attacks and TDS that existed with so many not because of his play, because of what he believed.  Not cool to believe in God.....those same people willing to die on a hill however for someone to express their belief about police and others.  Interesting.

Comparisons to Kap?  I don’t recall any socks Tebow wore, maybe I missed that, but yes plenty of KDS out there, too.

I hope Tebow continues to progress in baseball, I wish him extreme joy in his marriage...Miss Universe is a beautiful woman and hopefully (more importantly a nice woman), and I hope he will one day receive the “tolerance” that we keep hearing about from people who preach tolerance.


Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 19, 2019, 11:14:54 AM
Tebow is a kneeler, and crucified for it.  Thus the irony of your statement.

Crucified = a Heisman trophy, first-round draft pick, multiple chances to play pro football despite being bad at it, a hosting gig on ABC, a hosting gig on ESPN, a New York Times besteller and a professional contract in a sport he hadn't played in more than a decade.
He's for sure had a rough go of it.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: WarriorDad on January 19, 2019, 11:54:39 AM
Both sides, typical.

Good luck to Mr. Tebow in his marriage and career.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 19, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
Once again, Boo Boo, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.  You/re very, very wrong...par for the course.

  well enlighten me then tiny.  don't just say i "don't have a clue what" i am talking about without giving me something to back up your statement.  otherwise, you can leave your Christian bigotry out of this forum and start over
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 19, 2019, 12:57:40 PM
You made up a false statement.  Then you tried to scold me based on your made up statement.  Idiotic.

Now, please go over my entire posting history and find where I've ever said anything that would remotely back up your false assertion that I would approve of an action by a Muslim while condemning the same action taken by a Christian.  I'll wait.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: jesmu84 on January 19, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Nope.  One account.

The pontiff said that the media favorited him, totally ignoring the attacks and TDS that existed with so many not because of his play, because of what he believed.  Not cool to believe in God.....those same people willing to die on a hill however for someone to express their belief about police and others.  Interesting.

Comparisons to Kap?  I don’t recall any socks Tebow wore, maybe I missed that, but yes plenty of KDS out there, too.

I hope Tebow continues to progress in baseball, I wish him extreme joy in his marriage...Miss Universe is a beautiful woman and hopefully (more importantly a nice woman), and I hope he will one day receive the “tolerance” that we keep hearing about from people who preach tolerance.

And isn't the opposite true as well?

Why do you seem to support selective tolerance?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
  well enlighten me then tiny.  don't just say i "don't have a clue what" i am talking about without giving me something to back up your statement.  otherwise, you can leave your Christian bigotry out of this forum and start over

People would be just as annoyed if he was writing Allahu Akbar on his eye black or starting out every interview with "First off all, nothing happens when you die".  There is no Christian bigotry, some people just don't care for religious beliefs being shoved in their face.  Some people love it, hence the cult of personality around Tebow.  Its incredible reductionist and defensive to boil it down to simple anti-Christian sentiment.

One of my best friends is quite religious, goes to mass more than once a week and neither he or his wife went to a school K through college graduation that wasn't Catholic affiliated...and he can't stand Tebow and thinks he's obnoxious.  But I'm sure its just Christian bigotry on his part as well.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 19, 2019, 01:21:57 PM

The pontiff said that the media favorited him, totally ignoring the attacks ......

Sultan?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: tower912 on January 19, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
People would be just as annoyed if he was writing Allahu Akbar on his eye black or starting out every interview with "First off all, nothing happens when you die".  There is no Christian bigotry, some people just don't care for religious beliefs being shoved in their face.  Some people love it, hence the cult of personality around Tebow.  Its incredible reductionist and defensive to boil it down to simple anti-Christian sentiment.

One of my best friends is quite religious, goes to mass more than once a week and neither he or his wife went to a school K through college graduation that wasn't Catholic affiliated...and he can't stand Tebow and thinks he's obnoxious.  But I'm sure its just Christian bigotry on his part as well.
There aren't a lot of people in Markus's grill when he gives glory to God in every interview.   
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 19, 2019, 04:35:30 PM
There aren't a lot of people in Markus's grill when he gives glory to God in every interview.   
I think a lot of the blame for anti-Tebow sentiment can be laid on ESPN for relentlessly shoving this obviously very poor NFL quarterback down everyone's throats and trying to convince the public that he was (pardon the pun) the second coming.  The trade off for Tebow, of course, is that the publicity has earned him millions and millions and millions of dollars that his athletic ability alone would never have managed.

If ESPN lead off every broadcast breathlessly taking about Markus, yet he was a 23% shooter from 3,  and after every made basket he made the sign of the cross and pointed to the sky he'd get a lot of blowback as well I imagine.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 19, 2019, 04:58:14 PM
You made up a false statement.  Then you tried to scold me based on your made up statement.  Idiotic.

Now, please go over my entire posting history and find where I've ever said anything that would remotely back up your false assertion that I would approve of an action by a Muslim while condemning the same action taken by a Christian.  I'll wait.

  i find it unnecessary to review your entire posting history to make my point  what i was alluding to was your making light of the fact that he prays and i simply stated that you wouldn't make that same smart a$$ comment if he were muslim.  maybe you haven't said anything anti-muslim to date, that's not my point.  if tim tebow were muslim, would you have said, yeah, maybe he and his fiance could share the same prayer rug or wash their feet together?  i would hope not.

  ya see, Christians are mocked way too easily.  i like a good off color joke probably more than most here.  my point is as stated.  you are part of the group-think that believes it's ok or in vogue to pile on Christians for whatever reason. 

for those of you who think TT wears his religion too much on his sleeve or whatever, what about all the athletes who are making the sign of the cross, pointing up to the sky, kneeling after a touchdown, whatever. are they pushing religion?  the post game interviews where an athlete will give thanks to his creator, God(gasp!) etc...  TT has done many more things that have gone without fanfare-the media must not have had a slow enough of a news day to report all of his good deeds

just saying,  we would have a much better society if we had more people of TT's character
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: TSmith34 on January 19, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
  i find it unnecessary to review your entire posting history to make my point  what i was alluding to was your making light of the fact that he prays and i simply stated that you wouldn't make that same smart a$$ comment if he were muslim.  maybe you haven't said anything anti-muslim to date, that's not my point.  if tim tebow were muslim, would you have said, yeah, maybe he and his fiance could share the same prayer rug or wash their feet together?  i would hope not.
So you are admitting that you are absolutely wrong, and then you are doubling down on being wrong again.  Dope.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2019, 05:09:17 PM
I think a lot of the blame for anti-Tebow sentiment can be laid on ESPN for relentlessly shoving this obviously very poor NFL quarterback down everyone's throats and trying to convince the public that he was (pardon the pun) the second coming.  The trade off for Tebow, of course, is that the publicity has earned him millions and millions and millions of dollars that his athletic ability alone would never have managed.

If ESPN lead off every broadcast breathlessly taking about Markus, yet he was a 23% shooter from 3,  and after every made basket he made the sign of the cross and pointed to the sky he'd get a lot of blowback as well I imagine.

Very true.  As for Markus, ask fans, sportswriters, etc and his faith doesn't come up.  Similarly Steph Curry.  There is a difference between acknowledging it and it being the crux of your personal brand, especially cultivated playing in the South.

I have nothing against Tebow himself.  I know people who have interacted with him and all speak well of him, if not say hes a bit goofy.  I don't need the relentless hype machine behind him and I don't need the fans who over-glorified everything he did.  Rocket claims he's a victim of this overwhelming anti-Christian hate and sentiment yet I heard countless people in person, online, or as a talking head speak of how he was going to be successful because of how hard he worked or how passionate he was, as if all other professional athletes just coasted, or countless other bromides because they liked Tebow or his story.

If people are sick of someone's overexposure, everything they do will get a bit annoying.  Signature celebrations, catchphrases, whatever.  Tebow got insanely overhyped and his brand was a very outspoken Christian message.  Its not crazy to be tired of that and not have to be some anti-Christian bigot.  Ive ripped on Tebow countless times on this board and I consider myself a person of faith.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 19, 2019, 05:11:11 PM
I think a lot of the blame for anti-Tebow sentiment can be laid on ESPN for relentlessly shoving this obviously very poor NFL quarterback down everyone's throats and trying to convince the public that he was (pardon the pun) the second coming.  The trade off for Tebow, of course, is that the publicity has earned him millions and millions and millions of dollars that his athletic ability alone would never have managed.

If ESPN lead off every broadcast breathlessly taking about Markus, yet he was a 23% shooter from 3,  and after every made basket he made the sign of the cross and pointed to the sky he'd get a lot of blowback as well I imagine.

i am by no means a TT kool-aid drinker, but you seem to forget he had a pretty damn good college career.  a pro/nfl qb he was not.  espn used the fact that he was a high draft pick, struggling in the nfl knowing damn well it was putting the spotlight on his Christianity and let that speak for itself.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2019, 07:28:08 AM
Crucified = a Heisman trophy, first-round draft pick, multiple chances to play pro football despite being bad at it, a hosting gig on ABC, a hosting gig on ESPN, a New York Times besteller and a professional contract in a sport he hadn't played in more than a decade.
He's for sure had a rough go of it.

Yep, Tim's just another rich, white, Christian male who can't catch a break in an American society that so obviously favors poor folks, people of color, Muslims/Jews/atheists and women.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 09:30:11 AM
Yep, Tim's just another rich, white, Christian male who can't catch a break in an American society that so obviously favors poor folks, people of color, Muslims/Jews/atheists and women.

Well, it's not just that.
It's inarguable that a number of people have said rude, unpleasant and unkind things about Tebow because of his public expressions of faith.  Those people are jerks.
But beyond that, there's been no tangible harm done to him as a result.
To label it as being crucified is asinine hyperbole from someone trying way to hard to portray people like himself as victims of modern society.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2019, 09:33:21 AM
Well, it's not just that.
It's inarguable that a number of people have said rude, unpleasant and unkind things about Tebow because of his public expressions of faith.  Those people are jerks.
But beyond that, there's been no tangible harm done to him as a result.
To label it as being crucified is asinine hyperbole from someone trying way to hard to portray people like himself as victims of modern society.

Superb point, Pakuni.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: jesmu84 on January 20, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
Very true.  As for Markus, ask fans, sportswriters, etc and his faith doesn't come up.  Similarly Steph Curry.  There is a difference between acknowledging it and it being the crux of your personal brand, especially cultivated playing in the South.

I have nothing against Tebow himself.  I know people who have interacted with him and all speak well of him, if not say hes a bit goofy.  I don't need the relentless hype machine behind him and I don't need the fans who over-glorified everything he did.  Rocket claims he's a victim of this overwhelming anti-Christian hate and sentiment yet I heard countless people in person, online, or as a talking head speak of how he was going to be successful because of how hard he worked or how passionate he was, as if all other professional athletes just coasted, or countless other bromides because they liked Tebow or his story.

If people are sick of someone's overexposure, everything they do will get a bit annoying.  Signature celebrations, catchphrases, whatever.  Tebow got insanely overhyped and his brand was a very outspoken Christian message.  Its not crazy to be tired of that and not have to be some anti-Christian bigot.  Ive ripped on Tebow countless times on this board and I consider myself a person of faith.

I think it's mostly this. People get annoyed about LeBron, Zion, etc the same way. In the case of TT, there's an extra element to pick on.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 20, 2019, 11:08:46 AM
So you are admitting that you are absolutely wrong, and then you are doubling down on being wrong again.  Dope.

The “t” is for tiny right?  Have a good one ;)
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
Well, it's not just that.
It's inarguable that a number of people have said rude, unpleasant and unkind things about Tebow because of his public expressions of faith.  Those people are jerks.
But beyond that, there's been no tangible harm done to him as a result.
To label it as being crucified is asinine hyperbole from someone trying way to hard to portray people like himself as victims of modern society.

You get to judge how harmful the verbal attacks against him are?

He’s on record the vitriol that has been thrown his way. Attacks against his mom and family.  I’m going to guess if this was against someone of a non Christian faith there would be UNIVERSAL condemnation, but since he’s a football player and Christian...well he’s big boy and will just have to deal with it.  His mom, and family are just collateral damage and oh well.  Sad.



 So then anyone else can decide that any comments against others aren’t that big a deal then, too....right?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 11:36:59 AM
You get to judge how harmful the verbal attacks against him are?



NM.
Let's just say that as a devout Christian, I tend to believe Tim Tebow wouldn't label people saying mean things about him as a crucifixion.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 03:03:46 PM

NM.
Let's just say that as a devout Christian, I tend to believe Tim Tebow wouldn't label people saying mean things about him as a crucifixion.

That's ok, journalists were saying it.  I found about 25 examples, hopefully one is enough but happy to share more.  Point is let's not ignore the crap he took because of his beliefs.  If he had different religious beliefs, he would be backed by the same people that slammed him.  That's the hypocrisy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/tim-tebows-sexy-jesus-pose-gq-photo_n_1778500.html
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: tower912 on January 20, 2019, 03:26:33 PM
And if he was as out front with his beliefs that were something other than Christian, the same people trying to claim he is being picked on would be the ones doing the criticizing, a la Kaepernick.     Hypocrisy goes both ways, Jamie.   
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 03:36:50 PM
That's ok, journalists were saying it.  I found about 25 examples, hopefully one is enough but happy to share more.  Point is let's not ignore the crap the took because of his beliefs.  If he had different religious beliefs, he would be backed by the same people that slammed him.  That's they hypocrisy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/tim-tebows-sexy-jesus-pose-gq-photo_n_1778500.html

Classic Chico's. Make up a scenario that never happened - in this case, people slamming Tebow while backing identical actions by people of different faiths - and then claiming those imaginary examples prove his point.

Reality: Tim Tebow has ascended to heights and been given opportunities well within - if not far beyond - his talents, in large part because of the cult of personality built around him, in no small measure due to his outspokenness about his faith. The notion that he's been crucified because of his faith is dumb, and I very much suspect he would be insulted by your claim that he has.

And if we really want to get into hypocrisy, how about this place's two biggest anti-PC warriors whining about how mistreated Tim Tebow has been.

Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 03:41:20 PM
And if he was as out front with his beliefs that were something other than Christian, the same people trying to claim he is being picked on would be the ones doing the criticizing, a la Kaepernick.     Hypocrisy goes both ways, Jamie.

Kap got some of his criticisms because of his Pig Socks, don't you think?  And yes, hypocrisy does go both ways.  Never said it didn't. I was originally pointing out the ridiculous claims he was put on a pedestal by some while totally ignoring the hatred and intolerance (by those claiming to be tolerant at every turn).  Indeed, it goes both ways.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 03:50:57 PM
Classic Chico's. Make up a scenario that never happened - in this case, people slamming Tebow while backing identical actions by people of different faiths - and then claiming those imaginary examples prove his point.


What are you talking about?  Are you saying there aren't those in media and elsewhere that slammed Tebow, but have done the exact opposite to others because they had a different belief system?  I just want to make sure I understand you correctly since that seems to be your claim and you say those examples are imaginary and a made up scenario?

Do I have this correct?  Thanks

Secondly, he got drafted in the first round because of his beliefs (n large part because of the cult of personality built around him)?  Really. I've been around the NFL, their teams, for the better part of 15 years.  You sure about this?
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 03:59:41 PM
What are you talking about?  Are you saying there aren't those in media and elsewhere that slammed Tebow, but have done the exact opposite to others because they had a different belief system?  I just want to make sure I understand you correctly since that seems to be your claim and you say those examples are imaginary and a made up scenario?

Do I have this correct?  Thanks

Secondly, he got drafted in the first round because of his beliefs (n large part because of the cult of personality built around him)?  Really. I've been around the NFL, their teams, for the better part of 15 years.  You sure about this?

Yes, I'm saying you're inventing people who have slammed Tebow for his religious displays on the field while also backing Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, wiccans and satanists for their religious displays on the field.

Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 04:12:40 PM
Yes, I'm saying you're inventing people who have slammed Tebow for his religious displays on the field while also backing Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, wiccans and satanists for their religious displays on the field.

Then you are interpreting incorrectly.  I'm talking about people that slammed Tebow for having public religious displays while those same people praised others of different beliefs for having public religious displays.  Why the difference?  Why is it the religion followed was the discerning factor?  Doesn't seem right to me.

The whole knee thing, that's another kettle of worms.  Folks like Dan Zirin, Dan Bernstein, Bill Press and on and on, with some rather colorful comments about Tebow taking a knee vs someone else taking a knee.  Interesting.  Zirin said the NFL "is moving backwards 30 to 40 years" for allowing Tebow to take a knee in prayer.  Said Kap was an inspiration for taking a knee in protest.  Feels like a double standard when I read them.  One feels like an attack on religion to me, but that's just my take.  There are many other examples if interested. Some websites did a great job of capturing all those imagined scenarios and examples.   ;)


And Tebow was drafted in the first round because of his beliefs and the build up of those beliefs?  Can you clarify that?  NFL teams are extremely thorough on players, they will take guys that sometimes are on the border from a behavior perspective because their athletic talents are so high.  But what you seem to be suggesting is that despite some NFL scouts rating him outside the first round and others rating him inside, he got drafted 1st round because of his beliefs?  "in large part...."  Now, NFL misses on talent evaluation all the time (Ryan Leaf, etc, etc), but to take someone in the first round that usually means 1st round talent, maybe second round on a flier.  You tend to take chances of guys, later on in my opinion.

Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 04:38:55 PM
Then you are interpreting incorrectly.
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You wrote: "If he had different religious beliefs, he would be backed by the same people that slammed him."
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 04:48:12 PM
Then you are interpreting incorrectly.
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You wrote: "If he had different religious beliefs, he would be backed by the same people that slammed him."

Correct.  If he had different religious beliefs, those bashing him wouldn't as they have shown to praise others for religious exercise that happened to be a different religion.  Exactly correct.  It appears the religious flavor is what mattered.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
Correct.  If he had different religious beliefs, those bashing him wouldn't as they have shown to praise others for religious exercise that happened to be a different religion.  Exactly correct.  It appears the religious flavor is what mattered.

OK, so show me those who have bashed Tebow for his on-field religious expressions and praised the on-field religious expression of non-Christian athletes.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
OK, so show me those who have bashed Tebow for his on-field religious expressions and praised the on-field religious expression of non-Christian athletes.

Wrong comparison.  Those that bashed Tebow for his PUBLIC religious expressions at work (which happen to be on the field), and those same people praising others for PUBLIC religious expressions at work that happen to be a different religion.   

That's the comparison.

Then let me know how Tebow was drafted in first round because of his beliefs. 
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2019, 05:13:23 PM
Wrong comparison.
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As if an NFL player in an NFL game is the exact same thing as a guy working behind the counter at Burger King.
You're trying to shift the goalposts. Poorly.
If you wish to back up what you said, have at it. Otherwise, don't both responding. I won't reply.

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Then let me know how Tebow was drafted in first round because of his beliefs.
Nice try.
Nobody said this.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
Crucified = a Heisman trophy, first-round draft pick, multiple chances to play pro football despite being bad at it, a hosting gig on ABC, a hosting gig on ESPN, a New York Times besteller and a professional contract in a sport he hadn't played in more than a decade.
He's for sure had a rough go of it.

He was bad at it?  He earned the Heisman.  Again, he got drafted in the first round because he was bad at football?  LOL.  Teams don't waste first round picks on players just cuz.  Please show us where he was drafted in the first round because of his religious beliefs or because he was just a good guy.
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: Cheeks on January 20, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
Nice try.
Nobody said this.

I said

"What are you talking about?  Are you saying there aren't those in media and elsewhere that slammed Tebow, but have done the exact opposite to others because they had a different belief system?  I just want to make sure I understand you correctly since that seems to be your claim and you say those examples are imaginary and a made up scenario?"

Plenty of examples of this.   I said belief system, nowhere did I say anything on the field, etc.  You're moving the goalposts as you often do.  Same media, ripping apart this guy because he has religious beliefs he put on display at work that they didn't like.  Others, with different religious beliefs, praised by same bashers.  Why? 

Why can't they both be praised?  Or both be bashed?  How about some consistency? 
Title: Re: Congrats To Tim Tebow
Post by: theBabyDavid on January 22, 2019, 04:45:07 PM
Cheeks,

Need some intel from LA.

More than two years ago, Lena Dunham, Barbra Streisand, Robert de Niro, Chloe Sevigny, Josh Gad, Raven Symone, and their fellow travelers declared their unshakeable resolve to move to Canada.

Any word on whether a caravan has formed up on Rodeo Drive where these Defenders of Truth will begin their Trail of Tears trek to the Peace Arch on the BC border?

I can hear Babs now belting out a mournful rendition of Papa, Can You Hear Me? as these principled Guardians of Truth, Justice, and the Real American Way scuff their Guccis enroute the Great White North.

I always wonder why it's Canada and not Mexico...