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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 09, 2019, 08:33:18 PM
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1. Good tech by Wojo. The two non-calls that led to it were horrible and the officiating smoothed out a little afterwards.
2. Markus made two huge mistakes towards the end of regulation. Some fans complain about him playing hero ball. And yet when he tried to give it up to Sacar it was the wrongg choice and when he drove to the rack was wrong. And yet...... Markus did so many Markus things. We just have to accept that as good he is, he isn't perfect. (only 19, after all)
3. Sam, I am. I am Sam. Good time to be a hero, young man.
4. Came all of the way back from down 11 on the road.
5. I suspect some people who questioned this team's heart are currently enjoying the taste of crow. ( I didn't even look at the game thread. I am sure the usual suspects said the same stupid crap)
6. A healthy Greg Elliott sure would have been useful tonight. I thought Chartouny should have gotten more run. Because he did some really good things.
7. Creighton is similar to SJU in that they spread you out and can score from all 5 positions. They move the ball well enough to neutralize or even punish help defense.
8. Theo John with some huge hustle glue plays. The fast break chase down and the offensive rebound/throw it off the Creighton player. The contest of Alexander's drive.
9. MU's offensive efficiency probably improved a bit tonight.
10. Creighton never quit. Could have been over so many times in overtime. Like a horror movie ghoulie who would not die. Insane.
11. But the monkey is off the back. Hell, yeah.
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Unreal
What a win
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I need a smoke...and I don’t smoke.
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HOLY crap
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WTF
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I'm gonna say it. That was crazier than the Davidson game
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no holy f@*k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That’s a win that can carry you a couple weeks.
I don’t usually believe in a “good tech” but tonight was the exception to the rule.
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Omg. That's all.
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I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue
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Another classic ending
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OMG
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Someone post the game to YouTube plz :0
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We took Creighton’s best shot on the road and found a way to win. That takes some stones. At no point in that game did I expect a win
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Markus has his flaws but anyone complaining about him, and there's a bunch of you, stop or go away.
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Just f...ing unreal. Love to see the fight in them.
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There won’t be a more entertaining college basketball game played all year.
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There won’t be a more entertaining college basketball game played all year.
Agree. It was a crazy display of three point shooting. Really fun game.
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Shoulda bin on Championship Monday, hey?
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I posted positive thing here, but am currently eating plenty of crow in a group text chat haha!
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No question who the SOTG is tonight!
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I ran out of bourbon in OT.
And I had a Decent amount.
Wow
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I hope Markus’s arm is rested by next game. He used it quite abit tonight and was unreal ridiculous. I believe he only sat for two minutes the entire game. Cain came in for him for a minute, made turnover and never saw floor again. Have to see box score later.
CU hit many open threes, but they made some fantastic, hard shots.
Sam has had some rough games lately, that’s the spark he needs.
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I only saw the last 4 min of regulation and overtime...not sure my heart could’ve taken any more. Wow, just wow!!
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Fun, entertaining, exciting W. That is what college ball is all about. I was getting text like I have not in quite some time. Hope they build off this and keep it going.
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210 points. 51% and 56% FG.
Defense is time wasted you could be scoring.
Also, WOW.
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210 points. 51% and 56% FG.
Defense is time wasted you could be scoring.
Also, WOW.
Yeah. Marquette gonna struggle against 4 guard teams. St. John’s, IU and Creighton. Tough matchups. Nova going to be a problem. Not sure how many other big east teams play that style.
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At no point in that game did I expect a win
Since we never led in regulation (don't think we were even tied except 0-0 until Sam's shot) I think most of Warrior Nation was with you.
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I’ve re-wound and watched the Hauser 3 probably 50 times now. The off ball sideline ref did the most emphatic 3 point/it’s good pump I’ve ever seen.
It worked out so well that Creighton didn’t call timeout there after their awful no touch inbounds. Their defenders are clueless on the play. Two Creighton defenders are sub free throw line as ball is coming in. Sam immediately sees this, splits out and calls for the ball. Howard’s high pass actually lets Sam get his feet set (albeit off balance).
I’m sure I’m not the only one who jumped/screamed when that went in.
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I only saw the last 4 min of regulation and overtime...not sure my heart could’ve taken any more. Wow, just wow!!
imagine watching the whole game lol we didn’t have the lead till when you watched
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I’ve re-wound and watched the Hauser 3 probably 50 times now. The off ball sideline ref did the most emphatic 3 point/it’s good pump I’ve ever seen.
It worked out so well that Creighton didn’t call timeout there after their awful no touch inbounds. Their defenders are clueless on the play. Two Creighton defenders are sub free throw line as ball is coming in. Sam immediately sees this, splits out and calls for the ball. Howard’s high pass actually lets Sam get his feet set (albeit off balance).
I’m sure I’m not the only one who jumped/screamed when that went in.
All of MU's inbounds plays under their own basket involve Markus (or Chartouny if Markus is sitting) taking the ball out. That was a HUGE problem. Markus threw up a prayer toward Sam and he answered it. I guaran-damn-tee that Wojo is going to put in a 1 second left out of bounds play that has somebody other than Markus taking the ball out.
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imagine watching the whole game lol we didn’t have the lead till when you watched
You’re welcome.
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Just saw this:
Markus is the only Div I player to have multiple 50 plus games in the last 20 years.
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I’ve re-wound and watched the Hauser 3 probably 50 times now. The off ball sideline ref did the most emphatic 3 point/it’s good pump I’ve ever seen.
It worked out so well that Creighton didn’t call timeout there after their awful no touch inbounds. Their defenders are clueless on the play. Two Creighton defenders are sub free throw line as ball is coming in. Sam immediately sees this, splits out and calls for the ball. Howard’s high pass actually lets Sam get his feet set (albeit off balance).
I’m sure I’m not the only one who jumped/screamed when that went in.
I have some apologize to some neighbors for yelling so loud.
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All of MU's inbounds plays under their own basket involve Markus (or Chartouny if Markus is sitting) taking the ball out. That was a HUGE problem. Markus threw up a prayer toward Sam and he answered it. I guaran-damn-tee that Wojo is going to put in a 1 second left out of bounds play that has somebody other than Markus taking the ball out.
I was shocked to see Markus putting the ball in play instead of catching it. I wondered if Wojo was outcoaching McDermott, who assuredly was setting up a defense to prevent Markus from taking a shot.
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Just saw this:
Markus is the only Div I player to have multiple 50 plus games in the last 20 years.
(old guy wearing velcro New Balance and black socks with shorts hiked up to his sternum angry voice) damn kids and their hero ball.
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Just saw this:
Markus is the only Div I player to have multiple 50 plus games in the last 20 years.
And the first D1 player since Jodie Meeks (Kentucky 2009) to score 40+ in three games in the same season. And Markus has 17 more games to add 40 point games.
@JayBilas 47m
Markus Howard is like a video game. Damn.
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(old guy wearing velcro New Balance and black socks with shorts hiked up to his sternum angry voice) damn kids and their hero ball.
Is that the guy who scored 50 in multiple seasons before Markus?
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I have some apologize to some neighbors for yelling so loud.
My daughter was doing homework in our kitchen with my wife helping her, my son was playing Fortnite. They all ran into our family room to see if I was ok from screaming.
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Anyone see all the ranked teams that lost on the road tonight?
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I like to imagine duanewade furiously deleting an intricately crafted thread ripping into the team that took him at least a half hour to write.
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Unbelievable game!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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I like to imagine duanewade furiously deleting an intricately crafted thread ripping into the team that took him at least a half hour to write.
He's not capable of an intricately crafted thread.
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Every time i pre emptively call a loss with seconds to go MU makes a miracle.
Youre welcome.
Ill gladly now enjoy eating the sh$$ i deserve to eat
Life....er.......ummmmmm...........finds a way.
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We really stole one there. Unbelievable game played at a very high level.
I was just thinking about how they basically let Chartouny get 2 offensive rebounds and lay it in to cut it to 3 with one second left. Then we take a timeout which is probably when they planned to just throw it down to the other end.
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Every time i pre emptively call a loss with seconds to go MU makes a miracle.
Youre welcome.
Ill gladly now enjoy eating the sh$$ i deserve to eat
Life....er.......ummmmmm...........finds a way.
You could "delete your account" again like last time. That would be good.
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Wojo with Homer post-game (paraphrasing) …
We have this thick play book we spend months learning. Then Markus gets that look in his eye and the playbook becomes throw it to Markus and let him create.
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Never did find a way to do so. Relax man. Gotta vent sometimes. Not all my posts were negative tonight
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Anyone see all the ranked teams that lost on the road tonight?
Its been a bad week for ranked teams this week. Keep riding the wave at the FF against Hall and we will be pretty pleased come Monday.
See you all at the game!
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I ran out of bourbon in OT.
And I had a Decent amount.
Wow
Love this. I poured 3 fat fingers of Makers after Sam’s three. What a win!
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Wow what a game. After Chartouny missed an uncontested layup to make it a 3 point game at the end of regulation I asked myself why even bother, thank you Joseph for not giving up and putting that layup in with .8, huge rebound and play overall. Incredible effort by him on Hauser’s missed 3 to set it up.
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Manna from heaven.
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My daughter was doing homework in our kitchen with my wife helping her, my son was playing Fortnite. They all ran into our family room to see if I was ok from screaming.
Similar to my house. How’s your son doing?
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I had a feeling about this game. I am vacationing in Florida with my family and could not find a way to stream the game and I could not find it on cable so I bought 30 days of Hulu TV for $33. Seemed pretty expensive but after that win it was the best $33 I spent this year!
I don't feel we stole this game. I think we took this game a way from a very good team on their home court. The team is growing up and we have a ridiculously awesome guard in Markus Howard. They will write songs about him and etch petroglyphs of his amazing feats on basement walls!
Let's take some magic from this game and really bring the house down on Seton Hall Saturday. Time to paint faces and get real loud.
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Just saw boxscore.
Markus played 43 minutes and Sam played 42. Out of 45.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/the-only-way-marquette-could-win-down-5-with-3-seconds-to-go-was-a-miracle
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I’m becoming a really big fan of Theo. He was huge tonight. Love his development.
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I don't get CBS Sports Net on my streaming package so I was gonna watch the game on reddit. I even did a test run yesterday to make sure I could, and I watched a few minutes of whatever game it was (can't even remember). So I was sure it wouldn't be a problem.
But for whatever reason -- whether it was my computer or reddit or my wireless or my brain -- I couldn't get the game on. So I had to settle for checking the score constantly, and I was getting frustrated. I decided that if we were within 8 at halftime I'd drive to a bar to watch the second half. We were within 6 so off I went. Mrs. 82 has to work early tomorrow so she didn't join me.
Got to the bar a couple minutes into the second half and watched as our gallant lads fought back. Every time we'd get within a couple/few, Creighton would bank a 3 or make some other crazy shot. Markus goes off and I'm trying to stay chill because I'm the only one watching this game in a fairly crowded bar. But after one of Markus' 3s I went, "Yeah baby!" and pumped my fist. We pull within 1 and finally get a stop and have a chance for the lead ... and then Markus, who split the D to get open, passed up the open shot to try to get the ball to Sacar. "Whattaryadoin'!" I yelled. A couple at the bar laughed.
We're down 5 with a few seconds left and Creighton gives JCS the layup because of course they don't want to foul him. If he makes it, there's 2.5, maybe 3 seconds left and we still have a chance. But he misses it, gets his own board and scores, so now, as we all know, only 0.8. Even though I'm a huge optimist, I'm resigned to the loss.
Then Creighton doesn't touch the ball on a long inbound pass -- how glorious was that? -- and we know what happens next, and I go crazy. (BTW - it makes sense for one of the tall guys to be on the receiving end of Markus' pass. Much easier to enter it in to Sam or Joey than to a 5-11 guy.)
But the replay takes forever and every time I watch it, it looks like the ball is still on the tip of Sam's middle and index fingers when the red light comes on. The refs keep watching the replay, then the one guy puts on the headset like 3 times. I guess he was talking to Ground Control or Major Tom or something. I don't have volume on the TV, so I don't know what the announcers are saying. The score says 85-85 and the bartender comes over and says, "Wow, y'all tied it up." And I said, "Yeah, we hit a miracle shot, but I think it was a nanosecond late and they're gonna wave it off." But then ... it's good!
As good as the OT was, with Markus in the effen twilight zone, it was almost anticlimactic. How about JCS calmly sinking those 2 FTs, though?
After it was over, I apologized to the couple sitting next to me. The guy says, "That's cool, bro, we enjoyed how much the game was torturing you." I leave the bar, and on my way home my little brother calls me. He tells me he got pissed off with 6 seconds left in regulation and turned off the TV. I laughed my arse off! He looked at his phone a little while later to see how much we lost by, only to see it was in OT. He did watch the replay of Sam's shot and see most of the OT.
That was my crazy night. That's sports, baby. That's why we all love this shyte. You never know when you watch a sporting event what's gonna happen; sometimes, it's special like this.
Sports is the only true -- and by far the best -- reality TV.
We are ... Marquette!!!!!
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2. Markus made two huge mistakes towards the end of regulation. Some fans complain about him playing hero ball. And yet when he tried to give it up to Sacar it was the wrongg choice and when he drove to the rack was wrong. And yet...... Markus did so many Markus things. We just have to accept that as good he is, he isn't perfect. (only 19, after all)
I'll have to rewatch, but why do you think it was wrong to give it to Sacar? From what I recall, he was open on the wing, but either Sacar was in the wrong spot or it was a bad pass, but was open.
I want to hear the press conference about the Markus play with 15 seconds left. Some teams opt to go for 2 rather than 3 in that situation. Was that the plan, fine if it was. Or did Markus not listen to coaching staff? Would love to know what the design there was.
Finally, end of regulation it looks like McDermott was telling his guys to foul on purpose on the inbounds to Hauser. That would have been the right call. He was giving them the X signal with his arms, which I interpreted as purposely foul him.
I've argued for years that is the correct strategy. If that's what he wanted and his team didn't execute, not good.
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My daughter was doing homework in our kitchen with my wife helping her, my son was playing Fortnite. They all ran into our family room to see if I was ok from screaming.
NICE!!!
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Three overtime games so far, three overtime wins -- and we still have half the season to go.
Creighton is a dangerous team, especially in Omaha. Give the MU coaches and players credit for hanging in there, no matter what. Even when the Bluejays seemed to be hitting every shot they took. Even when there seemed to be only the faintest hope at the end of regulation.
The first road win wasn't easy, but it was sure fun to watch.
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How about JCS calmly sinking those 2 FTs, though?
Joey too. He about the calmest Freshman I can ever recall seeing.
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I'll have to rewatch, but why do you think it was wrong to give it to Sacar? From what I recall, he was open on the wing, but either Sacar was in the wrong spot or it was a bad pass, but was open.
To me, the issue was that Sacar sat at the 3-pt line too long to then penetrate for the drive. Markus was already in the lane and so it made sense that he would assume that Sacar was still outside. Sacar was indeed wide open, but could’ve attacked earlier and Markus, further out, might have seen him cutting.
I want to hear the press conference about the Markus play with 15 seconds left. Some teams opt to go for 2 rather than 3 in that situation. Was that the plan, fine if it was. Or did Markus not listen to coaching staff? Would love to know what the design there was.
Totally agree. Given how he was shooting, I was shocked he went into the lane. Would love to know if there was a plan.
Finally, end of regulation it looks like McDermott was telling his guys to foul on purpose on the inbounds to Hauser. That would have been the right call. He was giving them the X signal with his arms, which I interpreted as purposely foul him.
I've argued for years that is the correct strategy. If that's what he wanted and his team didn't execute, not good.
Yup.
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It was the right choice to give it up to saca. sacars man had stepped to ft line to stop markus drive. Sacar was wide open on the baseline cut with no one within 15 feet of him. Similar to the markus to Cain lob vs Xavier. Markus just threw it behind him. Right choice, bad pass. We were down one with less than a minute left.
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The first road win wasn't easy, but it was sure fun to watch.
I wouldn't have called it fun....well, maybe the last 5:00.8 minutes...
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I want to give TREMENDOUS credit to Wojo for 2 adjustments.
1) Mostly go away from the high P/R allowing Markus to initiate off the wing and break down the opponent 1 on 1.
2) The extending of the D to absolutely guard the 3 line forcing runoffs by Creighton. They were less effective inside the arc.
In neither case was it perfect. But it allowed us to recover from an early double digit deficit and allowed us to get and remain within striking distance.
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To me, the issue was that Sacar sat at the 3-pt line too long to then penetrate for the drive. Markus was already in the lane and so it made sense that he would assume that Sacar was still outside. Sacar was indeed wide open, but could’ve attacked earlier and Markus, further out, might have seen him cutting.
The funny thing is that Markus had split the D and HE was open. I'm thinking, "Since when do you pass up an open shot?!?!?!?"
Joey too. He about the calmest Freshman I can ever recall seeing.
True dat. But I actually expected Joey to make his. Gotta admit I wasn't as confident about JCS. I wanted him to pass to Sam, who was open, because I trust Sam more. But JCS made 'em. Nice to get that kind of leadership from a senior.
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I really enjoyed the game. It was everything I expected it to be and then some. Both teams did what they do best which is shoot threes.
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I want to give TREMENDOUS credit to Wojo for 2 adjustments.
1) Mostly go away from the high P/R allowing Markus to initiate off the wing and break down the opponent 1 on 1.
2) The extending of the D to absolutely guard the 3 line forcing runoffs by Creighton. They were less effective inside the arc.
In neither case was it perfect. But it allowed us to recover from an early double digit deficit and allowed us to get and remain within striking distance.
Great points, glow.
I kept pleading with our guys to stop leaving their shooters open from 3. "Anything but an open 3!" Agree that was a major factor in our win.
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6. We really miss Elliott. Sacar is simple not very good at all. His early 3s are brutal. His free throws are terrible and his defense is average at best. Worst 2 in BE by far.
End of regulation n overtime hinged on Markus and the defense played by Chartouney. Obvioosly other things too but the defense Chartouney pkayed after Sacar fouled out was simply fantastic
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What an amazing game! A joy to watch.
Ring out Ahoya!
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The funny thing is that Markus had split the D and HE was open. I'm thinking, "Since when do you pass up an open shot?!?!?!?"
True dat. But I actually expected Joey to make his. Gotta admit I wasn't as confident about JCS. I wanted him to pass to Sam, who was open, because I trust Sam more. But JCS made 'em. Nice to get that kind of leadership from a senior.
Joe played really well after he came in when Sacar fouled out. Hope he can build on that.
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Joe played really well after he came in when Sacar fouled out. Hope he can build on that.
Agreed. He actually has had quite a few decent to good games. I thought he was one of our best (if not the best) players against St. John's.
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The funny thing is that Markus had split the D and HE was open. I'm thinking, "Since when do you pass up an open shot?!?!?!?"
True dat. But I actually expected Joey to make his. Gotta admit I wasn't as confident about JCS. I wanted him to pass to Sam, who was open, because I trust Sam more. But JCS made 'em. Nice to get that kind of leadership from a senior.
As soon as he got fouled, he told each guy on the court "I'll make 'em", while walking to the line. He did.
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Lead story on Sportcenter tonight.
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Lead story on Sportcenter tonight.
Love this. Marquette with 2 leads on SC in the past month.
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As soon as he got fouled, he told each guy on the court "I'll make 'em", while walking to the line. He did.
Just about to post this. I loved his calmness walking up there. Big win.
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The announcers jinx is real. End of the game they said “and Creighton is going to win it”. Somehow after those words we force it to overtime and later win. Crazy game!
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6. We really miss Elliott. Sacar is simple not very good at all. His early 3s are brutal. His free throws are terrible and his defense is average at best. Worst 2 in BE by far.
End of regulation n overtime hinged on Markus and the defense played by Chartouney. Obvioosly other things too but the defense Chartouney pkayed after Sacar fouled out was simply fantastic
No upset here. You win the stoopid post of the night.
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https://twitter.com/chosenJAUN/status/1083210151992180737
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https://twitter.com/chosenJAUN/status/1083210151992180737
SOTG
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I had a feeling about this game. I am vacationing in Florida with my family and could not find a way to stream the game and I could not find it on cable so I bought 30 days of Hulu TV for $33. Seemed pretty expensive but after that win it was the best $33 I spent this year!
I don't feel we stole this game. I think we took this game a way from a very good team on their home court. The team is growing up and we have a ridiculously awesome guard in Markus Howard. They will write songs about him and etch petroglyphs of his amazing feats on basement walls!
Let's take some magic from this game and really bring the house down on Seton Hall Saturday. Time to paint faces and get real loud.
I would agree
After we were down by 13
At 32-19, i think we really started to play better defense. We had 13 turnovers for thegame but about 5 before that point. So we trailed by 29-16 and then 32-19 twice by 13 points last with about 8 minutes to go in the first half. From that point on thru the end of regulation we won by 13 points. Yes sam hit the huge 3, but creighton also banked in 2 3s n had the inbounds n 3 at the shot clock, so they had their luck as well. I thought our defense was really good that last 28 minutes plus overtime, but some of their shot making can make it look not so good. Hopefully, this effort and this win can have them understanding how hard and what level of defense is needed from the opening tip, especially on the road.
Lastly,Great mental toughness by these guys, takes great mental toughness when all things stack up agaibst you and the opponent keeps banging in shot after shot.
Monkey off the back, hopefully no let down versus The Hall
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What was the monkey on the back?
That we had lost all TWO of our road games?
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I don't get CBS Sports Net on my streaming package so I was gonna watch the game on reddit. I even did a test run yesterday to make sure I could, and I watched a few minutes of whatever game it was (can't even remember). So I was sure it wouldn't be a problem.
But for whatever reason -- whether it was my computer or reddit or my wireless or my brain -- I couldn't get the game on. So I had to settle for checking the score constantly, and I was getting frustrated. I decided that if we were within 8 at halftime I'd drive to a bar to watch the second half. We were within 6 so off I went. Mrs. 82 has to work early tomorrow so she didn't join me.
Got to the bar a couple minutes into the second half and watched as our gallant lads fought back. Every time we'd get within a couple/few, Creighton would bank a 3 or make some other crazy shot. Markus goes off and I'm trying to stay chill because I'm the only one watching this game in a fairly crowded bar. But after one of Markus' 3s I went, "Yeah baby!" and pumped my fist. We pull within 1 and finally get a stop and have a chance for the lead ... and then Markus, who split the D to get open, passed up the open shot to try to get the ball to Sacar. "Whattaryadoin'!" I yelled. A couple at the bar laughed.
We're down 5 with a few seconds left and Creighton gives JCS the layup because of course they don't want to foul him. If he makes it, there's 2.5, maybe 3 seconds left and we still have a chance. But he misses it, gets his own board and scores, so now, as we all know, only 0.8. Even though I'm a huge optimist, I'm resigned to the loss.
Then Creighton doesn't touch the ball on a long inbound pass -- how glorious was that? -- and we know what happens next, and I go crazy. (BTW - it makes sense for one of the tall guys to be on the receiving end of Markus' pass. Much easier to enter it in to Sam or Joey than to a 5-11 guy.)
But the replay takes forever and every time I watch it, it looks like the ball is still on the tip of Sam's middle and index fingers when the red light comes on. The refs keep watching the replay, then the one guy puts on the headset like 3 times. I guess he was talking to Ground Control or Major Tom or something. I don't have volume on the TV, so I don't know what the announcers are saying. The score says 85-85 and the bartender comes over and says, "Wow, y'all tied it up." And I said, "Yeah, we hit a miracle shot, but I think it was a nanosecond late and they're gonna wave it off." But then ... it's good!
As good as the OT was, with Markus in the effen twilight zone, it was almost anticlimactic. How about JCS calmly sinking those 2 FTs, though?
After it was over, I apologized to the couple sitting next to me. The guy says, "That's cool, bro, we enjoyed how much the game was torturing you." I leave the bar, and on my way home my little brother calls me. He tells me he got pissed off with 6 seconds left in regulation and turned off the TV. I laughed my arse off! He looked at his phone a little while later to see how much we lost by, only to see it was in OT. He did watch the replay of Sam's shot and see most of the OT.
That was my crazy night. That's sports, baby. That's why we all love this shyte. You never know when you watch a sporting event what's gonna happen; sometimes, it's special like this.
Sports is the only true -- and by far the best -- reality TV.
We are ... Marquette!!!!!
Thx for tge recap, but umm we saw the game too
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What was the monkey on the back?
That we had lost all TWO of our road games?
Probably more that we lost both games by 20 and the team played flat.
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I would agree
After we were down by 13
At 32-19, i think we really started to play better defense. We had 13 turnovers for thegame but about 5 before that point. So we trailed by 29-16 and then 32-19 twice by 13 points last with about 8 minutes to go in the first half. From that point on thru the end of regulation we won by 13 points. Yes sam hit the huge 3, but creighton also banked in 2 3s n had the inbounds n 3 at the shot clock, so they had their luck as well. I thought our defense was really good that last 28 minutes plus overtime, but some of their shot making can make it look not so good. Hopefully, this effort and this win can have them understanding how hard and what level of defense is needed from the opening tip, especially on the road.
Lastly,Great mental toughness by these guys, takes great mental toughness when all things stack up agaibst you and the opponent keeps banging in shot after shot.
Monkey off the back, hopefully no let down versus The Hall
To confirm, you're over 40 and have a degree from Marquette?
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Probably more that we lost both games by 20 and the team played flat.
Not much of a monkey. Maybe one of those tiny, plastic "barrel of monkey" toy monkeys.
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Not much of a monkey. Maybe one of those tiny, plastic "barrel of monkey" toy monkeys.
Agree. Broke the seal would have been a better one.
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Love this. Marquette with 2 leads on SC in the past month.
Absolutely great for Recruiting.
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Probably more that we lost both games by 20 and the team played flat.
Correct and they were down 13 just 10 minutes in. Sorry u dont understand game pressure Mu82. But these kids hear whats being said and written. And a good start was asuredly talked about. Sorry u couldnt see the monkey. Everyone else could. Again huge props to the boys to battle back
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Agree. Broke the seal would have been a better one.
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Agree. Broke the seal would have been a better one.
Ugh, now we’ll be winning road games every 20 minutes for the rest of the night.
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Ugh, now we’ll be winning road games every 20 minutes for the rest of the night.
Nice
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The announcers jinx is real. End of the game they said “and Creighton is going to win it”. Somehow after those words we force it to overtime and later win. Crazy game!
That announcer screwed up so many calls down the stretch it was ridiculous. Totally botched the Creighton inbound with .8 left. First he said it was MU ball, but then “corrected” himself to say it was Creighton’s to inbound again before the commentator indicated MU would be inbounding. Amazing. That was after he already declared the game over before Creighton inbounded it. Rough night for him.
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The announcers jinx is real. End of the game they said “and Creighton is going to win it”. Somehow after those words we force it to overtime and later win. Crazy game!
He just got famous. Well, Scoop famous. (which is really the best kind of famous)
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That announcer screwed up so many calls down the stretch it was ridiculous. Totally botched the Creighton inbound with .8 left. First he said it was MU ball, but then “corrected” himself to say it was Creighton’s to inbound again before the commentator indicated MU would be inbounding. Amazing. That was after he already declared the game over before Creighton inbounded it. Rough night for him.
I was also amazed they had no idea how the replay review works for Joey's 3. I would think they've done enough basketball games to know the refs look at it the next timeout.
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I can't believe I turned the game off. When I read Tower's Road Warrior post I thought it was sarcasm. Good thing I Tivo'd the game
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I can't believe I turned the game off. When I read Tower's Road Warrior post I thought it was sarcasm. Good thing I Tivo'd the game
"Oh ye of little faith"!
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By the way Creighton is a good and well coached team. Some of those guys are tough.
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What a great college basketball game. And Markus is such a dude.
That is all. Good night everyone! ;D 8-)
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Wow what a game. After Chartouny missed an uncontested layup to make it a 3 point game at the end of regulation I asked myself why even bother, thank you Joseph for not giving up and putting that layup in with .8, huge rebound and play overall. Incredible effort by him on Hauser’s missed 3 to set it up.
Because of margin of victory now counts in NCAA Net, even if we lost that layup by Chartouny helps. Play to the end, it literally matters every point along with the efficiency data the NCAA is using now.
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This win is killing me. I had work to do tonight but I can't think about anything but this game, so I'm spending all my time here with my Scoop brothers and sisters.
It would be so much easier if I was one of the "best fans" who only Scoops when we lose!
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This win is killing me. I had work to do tonight but I can't think about anything but this game, so I'm spending all my time here with my Scoop brothers and sisters.
It would be so much easier if I was one of the "best fans" who only Scoops when we lose!
We're glad you are here, even though you aren't one of those bestest fans. And to give a few of them credit, they ate a little crow.
We're going to lose a game or two we probably shouldn't, so the death spirals will start back up again at that point, but for now a good evening to say WTH did I just see.
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I ran out of bourbon in OT.
And I had a Decent amount.
Wow
Sluggish today but worth it.
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After a night of blissful sleep, more thoughts....
Sam's shot was too close to overturn either way. If they had overturned their original call, I would have been ticked, but it was so close I would have understood.
Wojo should get more credit than he has for last night. Subtle changes to the defense, knowing when to chuck the playbook, Sam knowing to not tough the ball on the pass after the Creighton guy missed it, the 3 second huddle on the way back up the floor that got them into that play..... nice work.
Chartouny did some good things last night.
There are going to be nights where Markus is not good and the team has to find ways to win with him stinking. He isn't perfect. But, damn, when he has it...... Learn to accept the bad with the transcendent.
This is a good team. Enjoy them. Every loss is not the end of the world. This is still a good team.
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After a night of blissful sleep, more thoughts....
Sam's shot was too close to overturn either way. If they had overturned their original call, I would have been ticked, but it was so close I would have understood.
Wojo should get more credit than he has for last night. Subtle changes to the defense, knowing when to chuck the playbook, Sam knowing to not tough the ball on the pass after the Creighton guy missed it, the 3 second huddle on the way back up the floor that got them into that play..... nice work.
Chartouny did some good things last night.
There are going to be nights where Markus is not good and the team has to find ways to win with him stinking. He isn't perfect. But, damn, when he has it...... Learn to accept the bad with the transcendent.
This is a good team. Enjoy them. Every loss is not the end of the world. This is still a good team.
Wojo had a great comment on postgame radio. EVERY single play and player mattered. Mess up one thing and we lose. Joseph and Theo come to mind for me.
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Great comeback victory on the road for the Warriors. Hopefully, it builds their confidence.
Markus was awesome, and can have 9 TOs a game if he scores 40 plus. Has to get other players involved more, though.
No defensive adjustments that I could see by Wojo to defend the 3. Just lucky that Howard was matching them 3 for 3.
J. Hauser should be a much better defender with his length. He has a lot to learn there.
Needed the win to get in the hunt for BEast top. Not conviced Wojo can get the job done, however.
Take the win and improve from here.
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Great comeback victory on the road for the Warriors. Hopefully, it builds their confidence.
Markus was awesome, and can have 9 TOs a game if he scores 40 plus. Has to get other players involved more, though.
Just lucky that Howard was matching them 3 for 3.
J. Hauser should be a much better defender with his length. He has a lot to learn there.
Needed the win to get in the hunt for BEast top.
Take the win and improve from here.
I took the (bad) (predictable) words right out of your post.
Otherwise, you took the words right out of mine.
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6. We really miss Elliott. Sacar is simple not very good at all. His early 3s are brutal. His free throws are terrible and his defense is average at best. Worst 2 in BE by far.
End of regulation n overtime hinged on Markus and the defense played by Chartouney. Obvioosly other things too but the defense Chartouney pkayed after Sacar fouled out was simply fantastic
I agree that every time I see him pull up for a 3 I feel like it is a wasted possession. I think his defense is better than average though.
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By the way Creighton is a good and well coached team. Some of those guys are tough.
Their offense is a thing of beauty. They got better shots than we did most of the night. We just shot it a tiny bit better anyway.
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Subtle changes to the defense, knowing when to chuck the playbook, Sam knowing to not tough the ball on the pass after the Creighton guy missed it,
I think it was Joey who knew not to touch the ball.
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I can't believe I turned the game off. When I read Tower's Road Warrior post I thought it was sarcasm. Good thing I Tivo'd the game
My boss is in Singapore so I had a meeting at 8 (7 Central), which was halftime. So I DVR'd the game and picked it up when the meeting ended at about 8:25. After Markus was blocked and they hit the FTs to go up 85-80, I was about 2 minutes behind the game in real time. I figured the game was over so I fast forwarded to the end. When I saw through the fast forward Sam sitting on the bench and 85-85 on the graphic, I was stunned and quickly rewound to watch. Missed the total joy of Sam's shot going in without knowing it was going to go in. Not kicking myself, because winning that game had to be one in ten thousand or something at that point.
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I was also amazed they had no idea how the replay review works for Joey's 3. I would think they've done enough basketball games to know the refs look at it the next timeout.
That too!
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Great road win. Another strong step in the right direction.
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6. We really miss Elliott. Sacar is simple not very good at all. His early 3s are brutal. His free throws are terrible and his defense is average at best. Worst 2 in BE by far.
End of regulation n overtime hinged on Markus and the defense played by Chartouney. Obvioosly other things too but the defense Chartouney pkayed after Sacar fouled out was simply fantastic
Agree we miss Elliott, but the criticism of Sacar is unwarranted (other than the free throws). He brings a great, and very necessary, complementary skill to the team with him ability to cut and drive to the bucket and finish. He has also hit some timely 3s this year, and never forces anything. I also think his D is better than average. Not everyone can be a star, but role players are crucial on a successful team, and Sacar is a good one.
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Agree we miss Elliott, but the criticism of Sacar is unwarranted (other than the free throws). He brings a great, and very necessary, complementary skill to the team with him ability to cut and drive to the bucket and finish. He has also hit some timely 3s this year, and never forces anything. I also think his D is better than average. Not everyone can be a star, but role players are crucial on a successful team, and Sacar is a good one.
Of course this is true, SW. You can't win with a team of players with Sacar's skill set, but it helps you win when you have a couple of them and you know how to use them.
The guy who delivered the greatly exaggerated reasons to rip Sacar also claimed a couple years back that Luke was the worst center ever. Not a whole lot of basketball knowledge there.
He also became the only person in this thread to make a political statement even though his signature criticizes any Scooper who would make a political statement.
But on the bright side, at least he's borderline illiterate.
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By the way Creighton is a good and well coached team. Some of those guys are tough.
Funny you say that because if you pop over to the Creighton message boards they want McDermott’s head.
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My boss is in Singapore so I had a meeting at 8 (7 Central), which was halftime. So I DVR'd the game and picked it up when the meeting ended at about 8:25. After Markus was blocked and they hit the FTs to go up 85-80, I was about 2 minutes behind the game in real time. I figured the game was over so I fast forwarded to the end. When I saw through the fast forward Sam sitting on the bench and 85-85 on the graphic, I was stunned and quickly rewound to watch. Missed the total joy of Sam's shot going in without knowing it was going to go in. Not kicking myself, because winning that game had to be one in ten thousand or something at that point.
That happened to me for the Davidson game. Had it recorded, started doing the 30-second skip towards the end to put myself out of my misery, but then I saw all the Marquette players jumping up and down and screaming. I had to rewind to figure out what happened.
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Agree we miss Elliott, but the criticism of Sacar is unwarranted (other than the free throws). He brings a great, and very necessary, complementary skill to the team with him ability to cut and drive to the bucket and finish. He has also hit some timely 3s this year, and never forces anything. I also think his D is better than average. Not everyone can be a star, but role players are crucial on a successful team, and Sacar is a good one.
He has hit some timely 3s but his 3 point shooting is really really bad. I like Sacar, his effort and energy are great and he appears to be a great teammate. My criticisms are purely objective. How many 2 guards in the BE, let alone the country shoot the ball as poorly from the FT line and 3 line as Sacar? If we didnt run the curl set for him 3 times a game which often results in a layup what would his shooting percentage be?
The 2 spot is a huge weakness for us, its really unfortunate.
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Funny you say that because if you pop over to the Creighton message boards they want McDermott’s head.
Well, there is no question he blew the inbounds play. As several Scoopers have said, all CU had to do was hand the ball to any Warrior standing inside the 3-point circle and CU couldn't have lost.
Either he failed to convey that during the time-out, or they failed to listen to him; either does not reflect well on McDermott. When you lose a game that's almost impossible to lose, the coach is bound to get hammered. Had the same happened to us, as big a Wojo supporter as I am, I would have been criticizing him for it today.
But I do like the flow of McDermott's offense. It had our defense on its heels much of the night.
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That happened to me for the Davidson game. Had it recorded, started doing the 30-second skip towards the end to put myself out of my misery, but then I saw all the Marquette players jumping up and down and screaming. I had to rewind to figure out what happened.
Was at that game. 39 minutes of game time agony. Holy Cross game was similar in 2003
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After a night of blissful sleep, more thoughts....
Sam's shot was too close to overturn either way. If they had overturned their original call, I would have been ticked, but it was so close I would have understood.
Wojo should get more credit than he has for last night. Subtle changes to the defense, knowing when to chuck the playbook, Sam knowing to not tough the ball on the pass after the Creighton guy missed it, the 3 second huddle on the way back up the floor that got them into that play..... nice work.
Chartouny did some good things last night.
There are going to be nights where Markus is not good and the team has to find ways to win with him stinking. He isn't perfect. But, damn, when he has it...... Learn to accept the bad with the transcendent.
This is a good team. Enjoy them. Every loss is not the end of the world. This is still a good team.
I’ll tack on the something subtle Wojo did that had a huge impact; subbing in Theo, who had struggled most of the night for Morrow who up to that point had been our best big man. I remember thinking why Wojo?? Then Theo did Theo things. Great instincts by Wojo.
On a side note; how great was McDermott’s huddle where he basically told his team (paraphrasing) don’t even try to attack that beast (Theo) in the middle because you have no shot
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Agree we miss Elliott, but the criticism of Sacar is unwarranted (other than the free throws). He brings a great, and very necessary, complementary skill to the team with him ability to cut and drive to the bucket and finish. He has also hit some timely 3s this year, and never forces anything. I also think his D is better than average. Not everyone can be a star, but role players are crucial on a successful team, and Sacar is a good one.
I agree with this. And, the part that I highlighted is one of his biggest improvements since last year, IMO.
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Monster
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I’ll tack on the something subtle Wojo did that had a huge impact; subbing in Theo, who had struggled most of the night for Morrow who up to that point had been our best big man. I remember thinking why Wojo?? Then Theo did Theo things. Great instincts by Wojo.
On a side note; how great was McDermott’s huddle where he basically told his team (paraphrasing) don’t even try to attack that beast (Theo) in the middle because you have no shot
Wait ... but the Johnnies fan said Theo was soft!
I mentioned that sub-out in another thread. Even when he was struggling to find his footing as a major-conference basketball coach, Wojo had a good feel about how to deploy his centers. I'm guessing that came from being Duke's "big men coach" under K. He is still very good at it, and this was a prime example. Right after Theo got in the game, he received that beautiful pass from Sacar and turned it into a 3-point play.
Bravo, Theo. Bravo, Sacar. Bravo, Wojo.
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He has hit some timely 3s but his 3 point shooting is really really bad. I like Sacar, his effort and energy are great and he appears to be a great teammate. My criticisms are purely objective. How many 2 guards in the BE, let alone the country shoot the ball as poorly from the FT line and 3 line as Sacar? If we didnt run the curl set for him 3 times a game which often results in a layup what would his shooting percentage be?
The 2 spot is a huge weakness for us, its really unfortunate.
We're built a little funny compared to other teams. Our PG turns the ball over too much, our 2 guard isn't much of a shooter, our wing isn't all that athletic, and our starting big man averages as many rebounds per game as our shortest player.
BUT...
Our PG is one of the best scorers in the country. And our 2 guard is a helluva defender and does a nice job of getting to the rim through traffic (still working on finishing, though). Our wing is grabbing 7 boards a game and is has been one of the best shooters in the conference since he came to MU. Our 4 has earned himself a few freshman of the week awards and plays well beyond his year. And our big man has become an absolute monster in the paint, forcing teams to adjust game plans around him.
So, are we a perfectly built team? Nah, not really. But it all works. And our coach has figured out how to make the pieces fit together. There are things to nit pick about how we could be better, but we're pretty darn good. Personally, I'm happy with that.
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We're built a little funny compared to other teams. Our PG turns the ball over too much, our 2 guard isn't much of a shooter, our wing isn't all that athletic, and our starting big man averages as many rebounds per game as our shortest player.
BUT...
Our PG is one of the best scorers in the country. And our 2 guard is a helluva defender and does a nice job of getting to the rim through traffic (still working on finishing, though). Our wing is grabbing 7 boards a game and is has been one of the best shooters in the conference since he came to MU. Our 4 has earned himself a few freshman of the week awards and plays well beyond his year. And our big man has become an absolute monster in the paint, forcing teams to adjust game plans around him.
So, are we a perfectly built team? Nah, not really. But it all works. And our coach has figured out how to make the pieces fit together. There are things to nit pick about how we could be better, but we're pretty darn good. Personally, I'm happy with that.
Wouldn't argue with any of this, ski. Superbly stated.
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Sacar is simple not very good at all. His early 3s are brutal. His free throws are terrible and his defense is average at best. Worst 2 in BE by far.
If this were written by someone else, I'd assume it was a weird, failed joke. What a bad opinion. Sacar is a valuable piece of this team.
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If this were written by someone else, I'd assume it was a weird, failed joke. What a bad opinion. Sacar is a valuable piece of this team.
Notice how this was brought up after a 7 point foul out performance, rather than a 20 point 7 board SOTG performance. It's easy to call out players when they have bad games (which I don't think Sacar had last night). Somewhat surprised that MSK wasn't ripping Sam after the X game.
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Notice how this was brought up after a 7 point foul out performance, rather than a 20 point 7 board SOTG performance. It's easy to call out players when they have bad games (which I don't think Sacar had last night). Somewhat surprised that MSK wasn't ripping Sam after the X game.
Outstanding point.
But what did you expect, given the source?
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I thought the final foul on Sacar was a bad call too. The offensive player ducked his head right into him. Should have been a no call or offensive foul.
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I thought the final foul on Sacar was a bad call too. The offensive player ducked his head right into him. Should have been a no call or offensive foul.
Thought the same. I allowed at the time that maybe I was just being biased, but I like you giving me cover!
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I really don’t get some of the Sacar hate(I’ve seen it by others as well over the year)
Yeah he’s flawed and yeah the missed free throws drive me nuts sometimes. But a slasher whose willing to play D is a major asset on a team.
It might not be crazy frequent. But any player that’s capable of going for 15+ multiple times vs high major opponents has value to a team.
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I thought the final foul on Sacar was a bad call too. The offensive player ducked his head right into him. Should have been a no call or offensive foul.
At least 2 of the fouls against Sacar were head-scratchers. I keep saying "it's a tight whistle" in game threads, but I am starting to think that the foul for NCAAB is to a "catch" in the NFL.
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I really don’t get some of the Sacar hate(I’ve seen it by others as well over the year)
Yeah he’s flawed and yeah the missed free throws drive me nuts sometimes. But a slasher whose willing to play D is a major asset on a team.
It might not be crazy frequent. But any player that’s capable of going for 15+ multiple times vs high major opponents has value to a team.
Pretty much all of my Sacar frustration comes from his offensive inconsistencies. He had a great game against X, but that was coming off a 6 point performance against StJ. It took him until K-St to have a double digit scoring game, but that was shortly followed by a 1-10 game against Buffalo. I would gladly trade the occasional 20 point bursts for 10-12 every night.
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That was a LONG game but well worth the 3 hours!
I've been riding a high since it wrapped up!
GO MU BABY!
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Pretty much all of my Sacar frustration comes from his offensive inconsistencies. He had a great game against X, but that was coming off a 6 point performance against StJ. It took him until K-St to have a double digit scoring game, but that was shortly followed by a 1-10 game against Buffalo. I would gladly trade the occasional 20 point bursts for 10-12 every night.
I hear ya but that’s not really his make up. Tough to have consistent 12 point games when he’s mostly a secondary slasher.
Also it’s tough when you have a player with Markus usage and 2 other guys who are legitimate starters on just about any team in the country.
Sacar has a lot of flaws. But really he’s only expected to have the occasional big game along with everyone outside our main 3.
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I would gladly trade the occasional 20 point bursts for 10-12 every night.
I'm right there with you. I'd love to have all of our guys who average 7 ppg score 10-12 every night. ;)
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Sacar definitely has his limitations. For his career, he shoots under 25% from 3-point range and under 60% from the line. Neither stat really bothers me, though.
He's only made 26 three attempts so far this year. That's 6th most on the team -- behind Markus (150), Sam (100), Joey (44), Brendan (29) and Joseph (28). And he only takes one when he has a wide-open look. So it's not as though he's jacking up ill-advised shots.
For comparison, Vander Blue was a 27.7% career three-point shooter. His best performance was 30.3% during the 2012-13 season.
Sacar's free throw shooting is a similar story. He's made just 32 attempts on the season. That's 4th most on the team -- behind Markus (107), Joey (47) and Sam (33) and tied with Theo (32). If Sacar had made 3 more free throws over the first 16 games to raise his average to 65.6%, would that have made a difference in any game so far?
The point is, Sacar isn't a primary option in our offense. His usage rate is lower than everyone on the roster besides Brendan Bailey and Matt Heldt. That's okay. Because we have better offensive options to go to. Sacar earns his playing time (4th on the team in minutes) by playing hard, defending multiple positions, rebounding and not turning the ball over.
Not every player is Markus or Sam. Sacar knows his role on the team. And it's a critical one. Wojo wouldn't play him otherwise.
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I hear ya but that’s not really his make up. Tough to have consistent 12 point games when he’s mostly a secondary slasher.
Also it’s tough when you have a player with Markus usage and 2 other guys who are legitimate starters on just about any team in the country.
Sacar has a lot of flaws. But really he’s only expected to have the occasional big game along with everyone outside our main 3.
2015-16 Duane, playing next to extremely high usage Henry. 11 points per, season high only 19, but only 6 games all year scoring less than 8. I would be over the moon if Sacar could develop that kinda consistency. Duane did that shooting (fg/3pt/ft) 42/34/65. Even with Sacar's game more orientated towards slashing, while Duane was also playing more PG, that should be an attainable goal for a 4th year Junior.
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Another thought that I don't think has been mentioned. Markus clearly had an imperfect game. He made multiple unforced errors, most notably 2 turnovers in I believe the final 3 possessions prior to 8.9 seconds. Half of the arena left and half of you probably turned off your TVs. It was 'over'.
Wait. No it wasn't. His teammates picked him up just like they had the entire night. All game long someone else made a very solid play just when one of his mistakes was about to be one too many. Had we lost, that would have been a major story line. But it's not because a very tight knit team pulled together and overcame against impossible odds.
And in the OT, it's like Markus repaid the favor. He was not about to let his teammates incredible effort to 'have his back' go to waste. All ten active scholarship players have a role. All ten filled that role last night.
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2015-16 Duane, playing next to extremely high usage Henry. 11 points per, season high only 19, but only 6 games all year scoring less than 8. I would be over the moon if Sacar could develop that kinda consistency. Duane did that shooting (fg/3pt/ft) 42/34/65. Even with Sacar's game more orientated towards slashing, while Duane was also playing more PG, that should be an attainable goal for a 4th year Junior.
Henry was rarely dropping 30 a game tho. Much less 3 games of 45+ with at least 15 games to go.
Markus scoring far more than Henry did.
Sam and Joey are also better players than anyone else Henry had.
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He's only made 26 three attempts so far this year. That's 6th most on the team -- behind Markus (150), Sam (100), Joey (44), Brendan (29) and Joseph (28). And he only takes one when he has a wide-open look. So it's not as though he's jacking up ill-advised shots.
So Brendan basically attempts one three point shot for every two minutes played? How the heck has he taken more threes than both Chartouny and Sacar?
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Henry was rarely dropping 30 a game tho. Much less 3 games of 45+ with at least 15 games to go.
Markus scoring far more than Henry did.
Sam and Joey are also better players than anyone else Henry had.
I agree that it's not a perfect comparison, but at the same time, I don't think that it is at all unrealistic to expect a 4th year Junior (even a defensive minded one) to be more consistent on the offensive end. To have a 5 game stretch where you score 3, 2, 4, 16, 14 is far too inconsistent. He's shown the ability to score (X this year, CU last year), I'd just like to see him string together a couple of games without laying an egg.
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So Brendan basically attempts one three point shot for every two minutes played? How the heck has he taken more threes than both Chartouny and Sacar?
Not quite. Brendan has played 199 minutes this season (12.4 mpg). So his 29 three-point attempts translates to taking a three every 6.9 minutes on the court.
To answer your question another way -- Markus has attempted more threes (150) than Joey, Brendan, Joseph, Sacar and Jamal combined. If Brendan has one more 3-point attempt than Joseph or Sacar, that's a drop in the ocean when you consider Marquette's offense as a whole.
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Wojo should get more credit than he has for last night. Subtle changes to the defense, knowing when to chuck the playbook, Sam knowing to not tough the ball on the pass after the Creighton guy missed it, the 3 second huddle on the way back up the floor that got them into that play..... nice work.
Wojo really handled the game well. That was one of the best technical results I can remember. Yeah, we gave up the point on the 1/2 FT trip, but they already would've had possession and it did impact the way the game seemed to be reffed from that point on. I mentioned on Twitter with a minute or so to go that however it turned out, that T helped turn the game.
There have been bumps, but I think since the KU loss Wojo has really handled this team and game management really well. It's easy to point at St. John's, but I truly don't think any buttons he could've pushed would've changed how that game was officiated that made defending and scoring so difficult. Can't wait to see it continue to play out.
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I thought the final foul on Sacar was a bad call too. The offensive player ducked his head right into him. Should have been a no call or offensive foul.
I agree good defensive positioning on sacar. He had a few calls against him last night that were unfortunate. I do not dislike Sacar one bit. Hes just not very good and plays a position that usually affords a team a really good player. 95% of the time we pkay at a deficit from that position this year.
Yes he had a very very nice game against xavier. However looking at our big east games, id take Heron or Simon over Sacar in a hearbeat, Scruggs from X also, and Ballock or Alexander as well. Same will be true against pretty much every other BE team this year.
Basically inept offensively and avg on def. now you can go all mother hen all you care to but it dors not change the fact that MU will lose the matchup at the 2, 9 times out if 10 this year. And if we had a more capable 2 guard we would be an even more dangerous team.
Wail away, im sure the computer numbers are stark in this regard.
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Wojo really handled the game well. That was one of the best technical results I can remember. Yeah, we gave up the point on the 1/2 FT trip, but they already would've had possession and it did impact the way the game seemed to be reffed from that point on. I mentioned on Twitter with a minute or so to go that however it turned out, that T helped turn the game.
There have been bumps, but I think since the KU loss Wojo has really handled this team and game management really well. It's easy to point at St. John's, but I truly don't think any buttons he could've pushed would've changed how that game was officiated that made defending and scoring so difficult. Can't wait to see it continue to play out.
It was a great T when the team was just about to lose heart after one or two swallowed whistles. Al would have been incredibly proud.
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I think it was Joey who knew not to touch the ball.
To me it looked like Joey was more concerned with trying to draw a foul than anything. It worked out well.
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finally just getting to the board after a night of celebrating the game and then being worthless this morning....
WOW what a game.
After rewatching the Sam 3 about 15 times, I noticed everyone started celebrating and going nuts... except WOJO. What a cool customer that guy is. I love how level headed he is in these situations. Yes I get he is the coach, but still very impressive.
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finally just getting to the board after a night of celebrating the game and then being worthless this morning....
WOW what a game.
After rewatching the Sam 3 about 15 times, I noticed everyone started celebrating and going nuts... except WOJO. What a cool customer that guy is. I love how level headed he is in these situations. Yes I get he is the coach, but still very impressive.
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Feel free to read through the Creighton board if looking for some sinister entertainment
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I do not dislike Sacar one bit. Hes just not as very good offensively on a team led by stellar offensive talent and plays a position that usually affords a team a really good offensive player. 95% of the time we pkay at a deficit from that position this year.
With these edits, I could agree with your second sentence. I don't agree with your conclusion.
Offense is only half the game of basketball. Sacar may be a below-average offensive player, but he's a good fit for this Marquette team because we have others who are well above-average on that end -- including 2 of the top 10 scorers in the Big East (Markus and Sam) plus a contender for freshman of the year (Joey). More importantly, he's an above-average defensive player. Quite possibly the best defensive player on the team.
Is Sacar going to make the All Big East team this season? No. But that doesn't automatically mean we're playing at a deficit with him in the lineup. Only one player can shoot the ball at a time. Most of the time, that player should be Markus, Sam or Joey. Sacar is one of our main rotation players because he helps the team win in more ways than just scoring. Statistics such as plus/minus suggest Sacar contributes more than the average player.
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Feel free to read through the Creighton board if looking for some sinister entertainment
Some of my favorite posts from bluejayunderground.com:
"If they literally just handed the ball to Marquette under their basket, the Jays would have won. Now it is OT."
"Good lord foul him on the catch. Hell, foul someone before they get a chance to inbound it. Why let him come down with it and shoot. We do such stupid stuff sometimes."
"Make someone else shoot please...trap him, double him, something..."
"Marquette scored on every possession in OT, other than the possession where they said the ball went off of Howard before going out of bounds (it was clearly off Zegarowski)."
"That was a gut punch."
"Marquette just owns the Jays, but to give up a game in that way is just brutal."
"I'm damn tired of losing to Marquette."
"Don't forget we let another player have a career game. How many times have this happened in the last 5 years?"
"Simply pathetic."
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Some of my favorite posts from bluejayunderground.com:
"If they literally just handed the ball to Marquette under their basket, the Jays would have won. Now it is OT."
"Good lord foul him on the catch. Hell, foul someone before they get a chance to inbound it. Why let him come down with it and shoot. We do such stupid stuff sometimes."
"Make someone else shoot please...trap him, double him, something..."
"Marquette scored on every possession in OT, other than the possession where they said the ball went off of Howard before going out of bounds (it was clearly off Zegarowski)."
"That was a gut punch."
"Marquette just owns the Jays, but to give up a game in that way is just brutal."
"I'm damn tired of losing to Marquette."
"Don't forget we let another player have a career game. How many times have this happened in the last 5 years?"
"Simply pathetic."
This is pretty mild stuff compared to some of the things I have seen on Scoop.
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This is pretty mild stuff compared to some of the things I have seen on Scoop.
I didn't include any of the "fire Mac" posts (of which there are quite a few).
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Was watching UCLA Oregon last night and it had a very interesting ending. Oregon was up 4 with about 7 seconds left when UCLA made a three to cut it to one.
UCLA fouled with 3.3 seconds left and Oregon made both to go up by three.
Oregon then decided to foul so they couldn't shoot a three and did with 2.7 seconds left. What a mistake.
UCLA made the first, missed the second got the rebound , put it in to tie and got fouled as time expired. While he missed the FT to win UCLA ended up winning in OT. Sometimes what seems like a smart coaching decision bites back.
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With these edits, I could agree with your second sentence. I don't agree with your conclusion.
Offense is only half the game of basketball. Sacar may be a below-average offensive player, but he's a good fit for this Marquette team because we have others who are well above-average on that end -- including 2 of the top 10 scorers in the Big East (Markus and Sam) plus a contender for freshman of the year (Joey). More importantly, he's an above-average defensive player. Quite possibly the best defensive player on the team.
Is Sacar going to make the All Big East team this season? No. But that doesn't automatically mean we're playing at a deficit with him in the lineup. Only one player can shoot the ball at a time. Most of the time, that player should be Markus, Sam or Joey. Sacar is one of our main rotation players because he helps the team win in more ways than just scoring. Statistics such as plus/minus suggest Sacar contributes more than the average player.
One of the things that Sacar does pretty well, that no one on our team does is make a cut to the basket when we have the ball in the low post block area. I can remember 4 layups he has when he cuts into the lane as his defender is looking away. I think 3 of the passes came from Sam and one from Joey. He did it vs. X and got an And 1 as well. Would love to see him and the whole team do this a bit more.
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Was watching UCLA Oregon last night and it had a very interesting ending. Oregon was up 4 with about 7 seconds left when UCLA made a three to cut it to one.
UCLA fouled with 3.3 seconds left and Oregon made both to go up by three.
Oregon then decided to foul so they couldn't shoot a three and did with 2.7 seconds left. What a mistake.
UCLA made the first, missed the second got the rebound , put it in to tie and got fouled as time expired. While he missed the FT to win UCLA ended up winning in OT. Sometimes what seems like a smart coaching decision bites back.
That's why the foul/don't foul dilemma is a dilemma.
The right answer may even depend on your personnel. A few years back when we were a poor rebounding team and would give up missed foul shot offensive rebounds with some regularity, I would be more inclined to let the possession play out and not foul. On an excellent rebounding team, I may be more inclined to foul.
I happened to watch the UCLA-Oregon regulation finish last night, and the foul shooter did a good job of purposely missing the second free throw and getting an unusual bounce off the miss, enabling the offensive rebound.
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As a coach, you pick one. It it works, you are a genius. If it doesn't you're an idiot.
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I think the choice is pretty clear.
Let me ask this...If Marquette was down 3 with the ball, would you prefer the opponent foul or not foul?