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Title: UTEP thoughts
Post by: tower912 on December 04, 2018, 05:02:18 PM
Will watch the game on delay.   Middle school Christmas concert.    Natter amongst yours (elves).
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 04, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
Will watch the game on delay.   Middle school Christmas concert.    Natter amongst yours (elves).

- Wojo can't coach
- X player has really dropped on the depth chart
- Badgers suck
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 05:27:35 PM
Marquette gonna lose tonight by 20. MARK MY WORDS
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: BM1090 on December 04, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Now that I know he's a troll, I actually am appreciating Jonny's contribution.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2018, 05:47:05 PM
Now that I know he's a troll, I actually am appreciating Jonny's contribution.

He's always been...special.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: MUEng92 on December 04, 2018, 06:06:10 PM
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Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: pbiflyer on December 04, 2018, 06:25:06 PM
Marquette gonna lose tonight by 20. MARK MY WORDS

Bless your heart!
(Chick knows what I mean.)
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: manny31 on December 04, 2018, 06:35:18 PM
Marquette gonna lose tonight by 20. MARK MY WORDS

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny......Markus my words, beehatch......Markus gonna win by 20 tonight. No trap here......

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Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 04, 2018, 06:56:05 PM
O boi, hear wee go again. Inn befour da lox, aina?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
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Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: fjm on December 04, 2018, 07:00:50 PM
PS UTEP GAME CANCELED.

Per MUBB twitter we play vs KSTATE tonight.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 07:04:13 PM
No sense of humor on this page man.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: manny31 on December 04, 2018, 08:00:44 PM
No sense of humor on this page man.
Did you not read my post?
Are you genetically deficient in that you lack a sense of humor?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 08:02:15 PM
Did you not read my post?
Are you genetically deficient in that you lack a sense of humor?
no I read it. cracked a smile. well done sir
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: manny31 on December 04, 2018, 08:09:40 PM
Thank you very much,  all good then. Carry on.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: tower912 on December 04, 2018, 09:43:12 PM
Caught up.  Ended up watching the second half in real time.   
1.   I miss the days when Sam could hit a shot.    Or guard somebody. 
2.   When you let an underdog hang around and start believing it becomes far more interesting than it needs to be. 
3.   Trap game.
4.   When you get a team in the kind of trouble UTEP was in tonight, you turn it into a lay up line.   Too much settling. 
5.   About that 3 pt shooting.     Good lord, there were a lot of complete and utter scuds tonight.   
6.   The team is simply not listening to Wojo when he says to quit going for home run passes. 
7 .  FT's no matta, but, man, MU sucked tonight. 
8.   Greg Elliot still wearing a plastic splint on his thumb. 
9.   Cain has no confidence.   Maybe he misses his buddy GE on the floor.   On that second 3, he dodged under a moving screen and could only watch as Lathon hit a 3.  Bad luck.
10.   Better to struggle and win than struggle and lose.    Let the badger hate flow unabated. 

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on December 04, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
Caught up.  Ended up watching the second half in real time.   
1.   I miss the days when Sam could hit a shot.    Or guard somebody. 
2.   When you let an underdog hang around and start believing it becomes far more interesting than it needs to be. 
3.   Trap game.
4.   When you get a team in the kind of trouble UTEP was in tonight, you turn it into a lay up line.   Too much settling. 
5.   About that 3 pt shooting.     Good lord, there were a lot of complete and utter scuds tonight.   
6.   The team is simply not listening to Wojo when he says to quit going for home run passes. 
7 .  FT's no matta, but, man, MU sucked tonight. 
8.   Greg Elliot still wearing a plastic splint on his thumb. 
9.   Cain has no confidence.   Maybe he misses his buddy GE on the floor.   On that second 3, he dodged under a moving screen and could only watch as Lathon hit a 3.  Bad luck.
10.   Better to struggle and win than struggle and lose.    Let the badger hate flow unabated.

#1 is he hurt again? There were a few times when he was jogging up the court and looked to have foot pain.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 04, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Caught up.  Ended up watching the second half in real time.   
1.   I miss the days when Sam could hit a shot.    Or guard somebody. 
2.   When you let an underdog hang around and start believing it becomes far more interesting than it needs to be. 
3.   Trap game.
4.   When you get a team in the kind of trouble UTEP was in tonight, you turn it into a lay up line.   Too much settling. 
5.   About that 3 pt shooting.     Good lord, there were a lot of complete and utter scuds tonight.   
6.   The team is simply not listening to Wojo when he says to quit going for home run passes. 
7 .  FT's no matta, but, man, MU sucked tonight. 
8.   Greg Elliot still wearing a plastic splint on his thumb. 
9.   Cain has no confidence.   Maybe he misses his buddy GE on the floor.   On that second 3, he dodged under a moving screen and could only watch as Lathon hit a 3.  Bad luck.
10.   Better to struggle and win than struggle and lose.    Let the badger hate flow unabated.

Corollary to #6: there is no reason for Morrow or Sam to be leading fast breaks on the dribble. Pick up a loose ball or get a steal on your end? Find a guard and pass it to him.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 04, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
Sam and Markus 2-14 from 3.  Many of those wiiiiiiiiiiide open looks.  Hit 4 of those and its a 20 point game and no one cares.

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: jnolan23 on December 04, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
Chartouney’s usage is really starting to confuse me. If he’s going to be on the floor at the same time as Markus, but not handle the ball, then what purpose does he really serve? Couple of times tonight where Markus created a wide open 3 that he bricked. Why not get Markus off the ball to catch and shoot?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 04, 2018, 10:21:15 PM
Sam and Markus 2-14 from 3.  Many of those wiiiiiiiiiiide open looks.  Hit 4 of those and its a 20 point game and no one cares.

This. Was at the game and my impression that the ball was moving and finding the open shooter. Just couldn't hit the shots tonight. Will need to watch to confirm
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2018, 10:26:50 PM
Avoided the trap.  7-2.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: geps on December 04, 2018, 10:28:13 PM
Chartouney’s usage is really starting to confuse me. If he’s going to be on the floor at the same time as Markus, but not handle the ball, then what purpose does he really serve? Couple of times tonight where Markus created a wide open 3 that he bricked. Why not get Markus off the ball to catch and shoot?

Been wondering that for awhile now.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: We R Final Four on December 04, 2018, 10:28:54 PM
Chartouney’s usage is really starting to confuse me. If he’s going to be on the floor at the same time as Markus, but not handle the ball, then what purpose does he really serve? Couple of times tonight where Markus created a wide open 3 that he bricked. Why not get Markus off the ball to catch and shoot?
Great point. Markus working his a$$ off to get an open shot for Joe that he either passes up or bricks, can not be what this offense desires to be.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 04, 2018, 10:34:13 PM
Anyone else get Davante flashbacks with that Odigie kid? I was impressed by some of his moves under the bucket.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
There are 2 sides of the court.  Even if Chartouney doesn't play the point he can still add value by playing defense.

Not to mention, when teams have put on real pressure in the backcourt on our ball handlers while both Markus and Joe are in the game, Joe is the one who handles the ball.  When it's just token pressure or no back court pressure it's been Markus.  Maybe Wojo wants Markus in the pick and roll or wants to try to get a missmatch with the dribble handoff for Markus.  If that's the case, why waste the time of having Joe bring the ball up when there's no threat of anybody turning it over in the backcourt anyways, have to get the ball to Markus when the defense can now deny Markus the ball, and waste extra time doing all that on the shot clock?

Joe still had 4 assists and is averaging about 4 assists on the season.  He's contributing plenty whether he's bringing the ball up the court or not.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 10:34:58 PM
Chartouney is to slow to beat anyone off the dribble. that's why he waits for the catch and shoot. Markus may be the best guy that can beat his man off the dribble. Honestly Chartouney isn't that good. Have not seen anything that's really gonnna benefit the team consistently
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 04, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
Chartouney is to slow to beat anyone off the dribble. that's why he waits for the catch and shoot. Markus may be the best guy that can beat his man off the dribble. Honestly Chartouney isn't that good. Have not seen anything that's really gonnna benefit the team consistently

Then you haven't been watching.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on December 04, 2018, 10:42:45 PM
Chartouney is to slow to beat anyone off the dribble. that's why he waits for the catch and shoot. Markus may be the best guy that can beat his man off the dribble. Honestly Chartouney isn't that good. Have not seen anything that's really gonnna benefit the team consistently

Hate to say it, but I agree for the most part. If we swap him for Jamal or Sacar or Brendan, we can make up for his defense and probably end up with better offensive output. It seems like everyone except for Markus and Joey are still having a hard time figuring out exactly what their role is supposed to be, so hopefully Joe and others are able to figure it out by conference play.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 04, 2018, 10:45:03 PM
Chartouney’s usage is really starting to confuse me. If he’s going to be on the floor at the same time as Markus, but not handle the ball, then what purpose does he really serve? Couple of times tonight where Markus created a wide open 3 that he bricked. Why not get Markus off the ball to catch and shoot?

It if baffling, yet not surprising.  We've seen questionable usage and decision-making as to how the personnel are used under Wojo.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 04, 2018, 10:49:14 PM
It if baffling, yet not surprising.  We've seen questionable usage and decision-making as to how the personnel are used under Wojo.

I thought you would have been stoked that Cain got to play through several mistakes tonight.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on December 04, 2018, 10:50:29 PM
Minutes were not what I would have expected tonight. It could be because Wojo wanted to avoid the dreaded trap game, but after hearing his post-game interview, it seems like it could be because he was frustrated with the results of guys coming off the bench.

One thing I'd really like to see from this group is to find a way to succeed when Markus isn't playing lights out. Last year we could rely on Sam, but he's off to a slower start than expected and doesn't seem to have the same confidence he's had the last two years. Joey is proving to be a reliable option, and we're seeing improvement from guys in the post too. But the team just seems to function so differently when Markus isn't on the floor or isn't on his game. The talent seems to be there, but the chemistry isn't yet.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on December 04, 2018, 10:52:16 PM
I thought you would have been stoked that Cain got to play through several mistakes tonight.

Did he? I thought I only saw maybe 3 minutes from him tonight. And only one TO I can think of.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: jnolan23 on December 04, 2018, 10:58:24 PM
There are 2 sides of the court.  Even if Chartouney doesn't play the point he can still add value by playing defense.

Not to mention, when teams have put on real pressure in the backcourt on our ball handlers while both Markus and Joe are in the game, Joe is the one who handles the ball.  When it's just token pressure or no back court pressure it's been Markus.  Maybe Wojo wants Markus in the pick and roll or wants to try to get a missmatch with the dribble handoff for Markus.  If that's the case, why waste the time of having Joe bring the ball up when there's no threat of anybody turning it over in the backcourt anyways, have to get the ball to Markus when the defense can now deny Markus the ball, and waste extra time doing all that on the shot clock?

Joe still had 4 assists and is averaging about 4 assists on the season.  He's contributing plenty whether he's bringing the ball up the court or not.

I agree that Chartouny brings some positive elements to the floor on both ends, and he’s going to need to play (and play well) if this team is going to be as good as we hoped.

Since Markus is going to be ball dominant anytime Chartouny is off the floor it would just be nice to get more opportunities for Markus at the 2. Think it would help change up the flow offensively and create some step-in looks for him on nights like tonight where the whole team is struggling from deep.

Saw it one time tonight and Markus buried a corner 3.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 04, 2018, 10:58:51 PM
Chartouney is to slow to beat anyone off the dribble. that's why he waits for the catch and shoot. Markus may be the best guy that can beat his man off the dribble. Honestly Chartouney isn't that good. Have not seen anything that's really gonnna benefit the team consistently

Worst post in a good long time.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 11:00:32 PM
Worst post in a good long time.
Yeah and multiple people agree with said post sooo.. maybe not buddy
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on December 04, 2018, 11:01:29 PM
Why do we even respond to that Johnny B dude... his posts are useless and just to make you mad
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 04, 2018, 11:02:31 PM
Did he? I thought I only saw maybe 3 minutes from him tonight. And only one TO I can think of.

He didn't play very long but he came in and immediately lost his assignment and gave up an open three. Blew another assignment on the next defensive possession but the shot was missed. Made it to the official TV timeout and I thought for sure he was gonna be gone for the game but Wojo sent him back out there. The steal and dribble through the legs was real nice. I didn't have a good angle where I was sitting but it looked like the pass he made was the right idea, just couldn't get it through.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 04, 2018, 11:02:48 PM
Yeah and multiple people agree with said post sooo.. maybe not buddy

Who?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
Who?
SKianth and idk lol.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
Why do we even respond to that Johnny B dude... his posts are useless and just to make you mad
What in the world are you talking about? My point is perfectly fair. I didn't say he was bad or bench the guy. Just said he isn't that great and hugely effective the game in a good or bad way. Why get mad? Hes slow, not a great shooter, and has disappeared in big games. Don't get why its such a crazy conviction to have. strange..
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on December 04, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
What in the world are you talking about? My point is perfectly fair. I didn't say he was bad or bench the guy. Just said he isn't that great and hugely effective the game in a good or bad way. Why get mad? Hes slow, not a great shooter, and has disappeared in big games. Don't get why its such a crazy conviction to have. strange..
i wasnt talking about just one post.. all your posts are to make mu fans mad
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Johnny B on December 04, 2018, 11:12:39 PM
i wasnt talking about just one post.. all your posts are to make mu fans mad
Vast majority of my posts over the years have been harmless anyalisis. Out of shear boredom, i have made a few "troll" posts but i mean its not that big of a deal. i am a student at MU so not like i hate the team. the opposite actually.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Cheeks on December 04, 2018, 11:17:18 PM
This feels like a preseason game where the team shows vanilla offense before a major real game. 

Win and move on.  Let’s get Saturday.

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Boston Warrior on December 04, 2018, 11:19:52 PM
We’re ready for Wisconsin!

Markus, Joey, sacar, Theo, Matt and Ed are all set.

Sam looks like he is still getting his legs back in his shot from the injury but he will be fine.

Bailey, Joe C and Cain would like to see them have a game.

Like to see them win going away!

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: 🏀 on December 04, 2018, 11:22:34 PM
11. No tribute for former UTEP head coach and MU assistant JASON RABEDEAUX? Missed opportunity.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: CountryRoads on December 04, 2018, 11:29:06 PM
We’re ready for Wisconsin!

Markus, Joey, sacar, Theo, Matt and Ed are all set.

Sam looks like he is still getting his legs back in his shot from the injury but he will be fine.

Bailey, Joe C and Cain would like to see them have a game.

Like to see them win going away!

Matt did a nice job on Happ last year. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him get more court time Saturday. Hope the team plays well and beats those mfers. Think Sam will have a good game and hit 5+ 3s.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 04, 2018, 11:47:05 PM
This feels like a preseason game where the team shows vanilla offense before a major real game. 


What is this, a football game? Vanilla offense? We ran the same offense we always run - I don't expect any "trick plays" (flea flicker, fumbleruski, fake punts, end arounds, etc.) on Saturday. LOL, where do you get this stuff?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: T-Bone on December 04, 2018, 11:48:45 PM
9.   Cain has no confidence.   Maybe he misses his buddy GE on the floor.   On that second 3, he dodged under a moving screen and could only watch as Lathon hit a 3.  Bad luck.
That's my thought on Cain right now. He has flow with GE, but can't get in rhythm with the rest of the team - most nights lately.  Hope he gets over the hump.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 05, 2018, 12:07:20 AM
Really oddly terrible shooting night. Countless wide open shots didn't fall from behind the arc. I think the two most shocking parts of it were:

1. Chartouny is a much worse 3 point shooter than I expected. He doesnt appear to have a repeatable jumper from there. 0-4 was rough tonight. Maybe I am just off in my expectations here--I just figured getting space would allow for a better result (yes, I realize his 3PM% is better than it has been in his career, but that is skewed by the Charleston So game).

2. Sam has lost the consistency he had last year. The volume has gone up, but the 3PM hasn't really. Seeing an 0-6 from 3PT tonight was absolutely shocking. He shoots his average and this is a laugher.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2018, 12:09:48 AM
Take the result and run. Seems like there's always one inexplicably bad non-con result. Eastern Illinois, IUPUI, Nebraska-Omaha. This reminded me of the Fresno State game, probably because Rodney Terry was coaching them too.

That team is going to be really good in CUSA in a year or two. Lathon is a beast. 8 of their top 9 including Gilyard are freshmen or sophomores & they have a number of quality transfers sitting out. MTSU, WKU, & Marshall are going to have some serious competition very soon.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: ski44 on December 05, 2018, 12:12:21 AM
Drop 6 spots in Kenpom from 29 to 35. This qualifies as a bad win.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 05, 2018, 01:01:01 AM
Drop 6 spots in Kenpom from 29 to 35. This qualifies as a bad win.

This is gonna hurt more than the scrimmage against Northwestern.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 05, 2018, 01:03:44 AM
Take the result and run. Seems like there's always one inexplicably bad non-con result. Eastern Illinois, IUPUI, Nebraska-Omaha. This reminded me of the Fresno State game, probably because Rodney Terry was coaching them too.

That team is going to be really good in CUSA in a year or two. Lathon is a beast. 8 of their top 9 including Gilyard are freshmen or sophomores & they have a number of quality transfers sitting out. MTSU, WKU, & Marshall are going to have some serious competition very soon.

Agree.

Lathon looked great. Think Northwestern missed his talents tonight?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: 1SE on December 05, 2018, 01:18:12 AM
Avoided the trap.  7-2.

This. Could have been very easy to lay an egg here. Take the W and move on. Saturday is huge.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2018, 01:34:21 AM
This. Was at the game and my impression that the ball was moving and finding the open shooter. Just couldn't hit the shots tonight. Will need to watch to confirm

Went back and watched. Here's the breakdown on wide open jumpshots:

Joey: 2/2 1/1 3P
Markus 3/8 2/6 3P
Joe 0/4
Bailey 0/1 (was open but it was rushed in transition)
Sacar 1/2
Sam 0/5

So that's 6/22 (.272) on wide open jumpshots tonight including 4/19 (.211) from three. Combine that with an uncharacteristic 66% FT shooting performance and you have yourself a bad shooting night.

We shot 68% on 2P FGAs, with most of those coming very close to the rim. Theo needs to work on his hook shot. 3/7 is not going to cut it. He needs to get deeper before he tries that move. Granted that's hard to do when you are going against Davante's cousin.

Someone else pointed it out but turnovers after forcing a turnover was a major issue tonight. This game it happened four times. Team needs to settle down. As Wojo put it, its okay to settle for singles, you don't always have to go for the home run. On the flip side, with 4 turnovers coming in transition and three coming on offensive fouls, that means only 6 were committed in the half court.....3 of those 6 were by Joey. He was brilliant at times but sometimes it looks like he's holding a ball coated in vaseline.

Offensive rebounding was the other problem. They didn't give up a ton (7) but almost all of them seemed to results in easy points for the Miners. Odigie is a unique player but they had to find a way to box him out.

I amend my earlier statement about Cain. He did blow one assignment right as he got out there but the next one was not his fault. Made a great steal and move to keep the ball, but forced the issue a little too much on the pass. Singles are okay.

I wonder if Sam needs to get going early or it just won't happen. UTEP hounded him in the first half and he got 0 open looks. All 5 of his open looks came in the second half and he couldn't get any to fall. I have faith that he will get that fixed over the next few practices.

Defense was good again but not great this time. Sacar did an excellent job on Gilyard but wonder if it would have made sense to move him to Lathon given the night he was having. In the few minutes Bailey had, he was successful at slowing down Lathon.

Loved what Morrow brought to the floor on offense tonight.  He got lost a few times on defense though which I think limited his minutes. He's finding his place, slowly.

All in all, would rather have the cold shooting happen tonight then on Saturday. Hopefully that is out of their system and are now ready to cull some Badgers.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 05, 2018, 04:48:27 AM
What is this, a football game? Vanilla offense? We ran the same offense we always run - I don't expect any "trick plays" (flea flicker, fumbleruski, fake punts, end arounds, etc.) on Saturday. LOL, where do you get this stuff?

Lol i thought the exact same thing!!  Haha some things never change with chico.  His insecurity is only matched by his lack of basketball accumen.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2018, 05:09:00 AM
Was this a "buy" game? UTEP is too good a team to be a buy game. Just asking.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2018, 05:11:36 AM
Was this a "buy" game? UTEP is too good a team to be a buy game. Just asking.

Of course it was. I mean Buffalos' ranked in the top 20 and is a buy game.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: warriorchick on December 05, 2018, 06:25:44 AM
Anyone else get Davante flashbacks with that Odigie kid? I was impressed by some of his moves under the bucket.

Yep.  I was saying to Glow last night at the game that he is a Davante wannabe.

He can't hit the short jumper (or should I say, heel-rocker) like Davante, though.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Goose on December 05, 2018, 06:52:51 AM
Not pretty, but a W. Not every win needs to have style points. I’d gladly take an ugly win again on Saturday.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on December 05, 2018, 07:28:03 AM
Well, at least we didn't lose by 20....

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2018, 07:33:44 AM
Of course it was. I mean Buffalos' ranked in the top 20 and is a buy game.

Buffalo should pay us.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2018, 07:37:01 AM
There was a moment in the first half where they showed Wojo and he was almost smirking.  Probably thinking 'Good.  Now maybe they will listen.'
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: noblewarrior on December 05, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
I’ve never seen a case of the yips effect two players as bad as they did Sam & Joe ever.... I hope in this case the yips are shaken off quickly and we see the Sam we all know and expect.... and count on when on the court.   I had thought of Chuck Knoblock (sp) throwing to first every time either Sam or Joe would shoot ... not only did they miss, the shots were not close, ugly even. 

Can the players get access to the FF court outside of games?  I mean shooting back grounds and all, need to get acclimated.

#uck the yips, kill a badger!
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2018, 08:09:24 AM
Chartouney’s usage is really starting to confuse me. If he’s going to be on the floor at the same time as Markus, but not handle the ball, then what purpose does he really serve? Couple of times tonight where Markus created a wide open 3 that he bricked. Why not get Markus off the ball to catch and shoot?


Because it is very obvious that Wojo wants his PG to be a threat to score and break down a defense.  The problem has been Markus has to be better at understanding when something isn't there or from taking bad shots.  I would say that he has improved this year from year's past.  At one point he chucked a bad three in the second half, but the next two times down the court, he initiated the offense nicely and got the ball moving. 

JC can defend.  He's nice and long up top which is helpful.  Can rebound well too.  His scoring is inconsistent so hopefully it can come around.  He also does well initiating the offense when Markus is not on the floor and when the offense needs to be reset. 
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: cheebs09 on December 05, 2018, 08:29:24 AM
I’ve never seen a case of the yips effect two players as bad as they did Sam & Joe ever.... I hope in this case the yips are shaken off quickly and we see the Sam we all know and expect.... and count on when on the court.   I had thought of Chuck Knoblock (sp) throwing to first every time either Sam or Joe would shoot ... not only did they miss, the shots were not close, ugly even. 

Can the players get access to the FF court outside of games?  I mean shooting back grounds and all, need to get acclimated.

#uck the yips, kill a badger!

To me it seems like Sam has been short on a lot of threes. He overcompensated on one in the second half that was off the back iron shortly after he came up short. There were a few that didn’t miss by much.

If it’s conference season and he’s still shooting poorly, I’ll be worried. Hoping he breaks out in the UW game.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: warriorchick on December 05, 2018, 08:34:53 AM
To me it seems like Sam has been short on a lot of threes. He overcompensated on one in the second half that was off the back iron shortly after he came up short. There were a few that didn’t miss by much.

If it’s conference season and he’s still shooting poorly, I’ll be worried. Hoping he breaks out in the UW game.

Sam definitely had the yips last night.  He's ripe for a monster game on Saturday.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on December 05, 2018, 09:44:51 AM
Am I the only one that thinks tooney is the most freshman looking grad transfer ever?  He looks clueless with the ball.  Has made lots of top of the key turnovers and his scoring ability / shot is very questionable. 

I am failing to see the talent here at all.  Very disappointed.

Ill take the W but this weekend is gonna make or break the season. 
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
Am I the only one that thinks tooney is the most freshman looking grad transfer ever?  He looks clueless with the ball.  Has made lots of top of the key turnovers and his scoring ability / shot is very questionable. 

I am failing to see the talent here at all.  Very disappointed.

Ill take the W but this weekend is gonna make or break the season.

You're not the only one but that doesn't make you right. I think he goes for the home run pass when doesn't need to sometimes but I wouldn't describe him as clueless with the ball. He doesn't get stripped, he usually finds the open man on his passes and while he had a bad night last night, he can shoot it. He also plays very good defense. He's been one of the keys to our improvement on that side.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: jsglow on December 05, 2018, 10:14:47 AM
Both Sammy and Joseph were trying too hard last night and both had the yips.  S=L=O=W down and let the ball find the easy way to the basket.  The good news is that other aspects of their game remained solid (rebounding and D).

Oh, and when a big has the ball in a scattered back court I can practically hear coach yelling 'find a guard'.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 05, 2018, 10:30:18 AM
Am I the only one that thinks tooney is the most freshman looking grad transfer ever?  He looks clueless with the ball.  Has made lots of top of the key turnovers and his scoring ability / shot is very questionable. 

I am failing to see the talent here at all.  Very disappointed.

Ill take the W but this weekend is gonna make or break the season.

Huh?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
Went back and watched. Here's the breakdown on wide open jumpshots:

Joey: 2/2 1/1 3P
Markus 3/8 2/6 3P
Joe 0/4
Bailey 0/1 (was open but it was rushed in transition)
Sacar 1/2
Sam 0/5

So that's 6/22 (.272) on wide open jumpshots tonight including 4/19 (.211) from three. Combine that with an uncharacteristic 66% FT shooting performance and you have yourself a bad shooting night.

We shot 68% on 2P FGAs, with most of those coming very close to the rim. Theo needs to work on his hook shot. 3/7 is not going to cut it. He needs to get deeper before he tries that move. Granted that's hard to do when you are going against Davante's cousin.

Someone else pointed it out but turnovers after forcing a turnover was a major issue tonight. This game it happened four times. Team needs to settle down. As Wojo put it, its okay to settle for singles, you don't always have to go for the home run. On the flip side, with 4 turnovers coming in transition and three coming on offensive fouls, that means only 6 were committed in the half court.....3 of those 6 were by Joey. He was brilliant at times but sometimes it looks like he's holding a ball coated in vaseline.

Offensive rebounding was the other problem. They didn't give up a ton (7) but almost all of them seemed to results in easy points for the Miners. Odigie is a unique player but they had to find a way to box him out.

I amend my earlier statement about Cain. He did blow one assignment right as he got out there but the next one was not his fault. Made a great steal and move to keep the ball, but forced the issue a little too much on the pass. Singles are okay.

I wonder if Sam needs to get going early or it just won't happen. UTEP hounded him in the first half and he got 0 open looks. All 5 of his open looks came in the second half and he couldn't get any to fall. I have faith that he will get that fixed over the next few practices.

Defense was good again but not great this time. Sacar did an excellent job on Gilyard but wonder if it would have made sense to move him to Lathon given the night he was having. In the few minutes Bailey had, he was successful at slowing down Lathon.

Loved what Morrow brought to the floor on offense tonight.  He got lost a few times on defense though which I think limited his minutes. He's finding his place, slowly.

All in all, would rather have the cold shooting happen tonight then on Saturday. Hopefully that is out of their system and are now ready to cull some Badgers.

First, thanks for this very detailed analysis. Quite illuminating. I come away from reading this very optimistic about the rest of the season, starting with Saturday's win over F%cky that gets us into the top 20.

Second, you have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands, my friend!
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2018, 12:30:48 PM
Second, you have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands, my friend!

Definitely this week. Took a week's vacation to visit the family around the holidays. Should really find a better way to channel my excess energy.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 05, 2018, 12:48:35 PM
Huh?
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Will go a long way regarding our perception nationally and recruiting wise locally.  Just seems like a turning point in the early season and a chance to double down on the momentum of the k-state win.

It will not make or break the season however.  It will just be a great indicator of how this season will go.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: fjm on December 05, 2018, 04:20:31 PM
Rewatched some of the UTEP game. I saw 4 UW game offensive fouls on Markus without trying too hard. (This is assuming Dayvesun gets his flop calls).

It is a must that he keeps that arm in.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Nukem2 on December 05, 2018, 04:22:20 PM
Rewatched some of the UTEP game. I saw 4 UW game offensive fouls on Markus without trying too hard. (This is assuming Dayvesun gets his flop calls).

It is a must that he keeps that arm in.
Very true.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on December 05, 2018, 04:53:52 PM
Rewatched some of the UTEP game. I saw 4 UW game offensive fouls on Markus without trying too hard. (This is assuming Dayvesun gets his flop calls).

It is a must that he keeps that arm in.

I saw a few during the game too and was thinking about how it could play out Saturday. Hopefully this is a point of emphasis this week in practice for Markus. Last night, a few times I saw him do it, he didn't really even need to. If he can break the habit to avoid charges this week, it could benefit him the rest of the year as well.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2018, 05:07:52 PM
Theo's spin move from the foul line is the best move he has made at MU.   
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: 79Warrior on December 05, 2018, 07:49:55 PM
Am I the only one that thinks tooney is the most freshman looking grad transfer ever?  He looks clueless with the ball.  Has made lots of top of the key turnovers and his scoring ability / shot is very questionable. 

I am failing to see the talent here at all.  Very disappointed.

Ill take the W but this weekend is gonna make or break the season.

So if we lose Saturday should we cancel conference play?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 05, 2018, 08:45:49 PM
Am I the only one that thinks tooney is the most freshman looking grad transfer ever?  He looks clueless with the ball.  Has made lots of top of the key turnovers and his scoring ability / shot is very questionable. 

I am failing to see the talent here at all.  Very disappointed.

Ill take the W but this weekend is gonna make or break the season.
I'd recommend another 5.5 year hiatus
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: WarriorFan on December 05, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
Watched a replay this morning and was quite impressed with Joey.  His composure while being quite aggressive both on offense and defense makes him pretty special. 
Next game, the ball needs to go to Sam on the first play so he can see it go in.  Then he'll be fine. 
I do like establishing the low post early, but ball (and unfortunately people) movement is stopping when that happens.  First 2-3 possessions need to have easy buckets or open 3's off of good ball movement.  Then establish the post. 
Lots of sloppy turnovers.  Can't do this against bucky.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Daniel on December 05, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
Theo's spin move from the foul line is the best move he has made at MU.

Agreed.  I said the same thing to friends sitt8ng next to me at the game.  Best more so far fo Theo.   More to come
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Cheeks on December 05, 2018, 11:52:33 PM
What is this, a football game? Vanilla offense? We ran the same offense we always run - I don't expect any "trick plays" (flea flicker, fumbleruski, fake punts, end arounds, etc.) on Saturday. LOL, where do you get this stuff?

I said it feels like it, I didn’t say that is what we were doing.  Sheesh.  Read.

Yes, like we were going through the motions with limited playbook. 
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 06, 2018, 05:00:17 AM
Yep.  I was saying to Glow last night at the game that he is a Davante wannabe.

He can't hit the short jumper (or should I say, heel-rocker) like Davante, though.

Some how I get the feeling that it was you that got Glow interested in MU basketball.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: jsglow on December 06, 2018, 06:52:05 AM
Some how I get the feeling that it was you that got Glow interested in MU basketball.

Not true at all.  That honor goes to my father.  Been going to games since the 1960s.  And honestly it was me that suggested we get season tickets when they were doing the $99 special perhaps 12 years ago.  That said, Chick is certainly a more dedicated fan averaging 95% attendance every year.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: warriorchick on December 06, 2018, 06:56:56 AM
Some how I get the feeling that it was you that got Glow interested in MU basketball.


We didn't meet until I was a senior and he had already graduated. I was already a big fan by then.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 06, 2018, 07:27:13 AM
Who fin cares?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2018, 07:31:50 AM
Who fin cares?


That’s pretty much the motto for your posting history.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 06, 2018, 08:28:45 AM
I said it feels like it, I didn’t say that is what we were doing.  Sheesh.  Read.
Possibly the most chicos shifting of an argument ever.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 09:31:13 AM
What is this, a football game? Vanilla offense? We ran the same offense we always run - I don't expect any "trick plays" (flea flicker, fumbleruski, fake punts, end arounds, etc.) on Saturday. LOL, where do you get this stuff?

Thank you for this.  However, Cheeks isn't the only one to suggest that we've yet to unveil our "real" offense.  Such "insight" is actually quite entertaining to read.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: damuts222 on December 06, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
I have thought Chartouny has turned the ball over quite a bit. Homerun pass attempts, and just unsure on where to go with the ball at times.

The link below shows that Chartouny's TO% is the worst in the Big East, by a large margin.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/stats?season=2018&category=ADVANCED&group=14&sort=16&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0 (https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/stats?season=2018&category=ADVANCED&group=14&sort=16&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0)

However, using the same link, he is top 10 in Assist %. I hope he can settle in, but teams are just going to sag off of him he is unable to put the ball in the basket.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
Thank you for this.  However, Cheeks isn't the only one to suggest that we've yet to unveil our "real" offense.  Such "insight" is actually quite entertaining to read.

Really? Who?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 06, 2018, 09:55:13 AM
Really? Who?

Must be referring to hoopaloop. 
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 10:01:08 AM
Really? Who?

I can't recall specifically who but high likelihood members of the Scoop Intelligencia.  Chose to let it slide at the time because no need to call out all of the ill-conceived points thrown out here (usually made in an attempt to prop up the spotty/shaky performance of our team.)

I mean we have a thread here "Some ranked teams didn't escape the upset."

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2018, 10:01:18 AM
The offense looks normal.   Sacar is getting the same  lay up looks around the double screen at the elbows that JjJ cleaned up on. (And Sacar, when he chose to).   Sam and Joey are getting the same wide open 3 look from the side that has been a staple the last couple of years.   The obligatory passes to the post with Theo and Ed catching the ball on the blocks with the defender a half step late creating an angle to the basket or a jump hook.     The offense looks the same EXCEPT for not hitting 3's at the anticipated %.     Seriously, if MU had gone 9-22 shooting 3's against UTEP instead of 6-22, no one would even mention the offense.   


 It looked off because reliable shooters missed wide open looks badly.   
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
I can't recall specifically who but high likelihood members of the Scoop Intelligencia.  Chose to let it slide at the time because no need to call out all of the ill-conceived points thrown out here (usually made in an attempt to prop up the spotty/shaky performance of our team.)

What are you talking about?  Seriously find one post that has seriously suggested that the “real offense” hasn’t been installed.

It’s essentially the same offense MU has been running for years. And as tower said, many of the same looks without the same shots falling.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 06, 2018, 10:10:57 AM
The offense looks normal.   Sacar is getting the same  lay up looks around the double screen at the elbows that JjJ cleaned up on. (And Sacar, when he chose to).   Sam and Joey are getting the same wide open 3 look from the side that has been a staple the last couple of years.   The obligatory passes to the post with Theo and Ed catching the ball on the blocks with the defender a half step late creating an angle to the basket or a jump hook.     The offense looks the same EXCEPT for not hitting 3's at the anticipated %.     Seriously, if MU had gone 9-22 shooting 3's against UTEP instead of 6-22, no one would even mention the offense.   


 It looked off because reliable shooters missed wide open looks badly.

I agree with this. I guess I singled out Sam primarily, but had he hit 2 more 3s we'd have been ok with the result (at least I would have been). I do think that the past 2 games have been helpful in showing that when some things aren't working, they find a way to get stops and scrap.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
What are you talking about?  Seriously find one post that has seriously suggested that the “real offense” hasn’t been installed.

It’s essentially the same offense MU has been running for years. And as tower said, many of the same looks without the same shots falling.

Angry this morning Sultan?  Sheesh.  You have better sleuth capabilities here than I do, based on your numerous previous posts re-hashing things I posted as far back as 7 years ago.

The point we haven't rolled out our real offense had been alluded to early this season - guessing probably after the struggles with Presby, IU, etc.

I agree entirely with Tower's post below.  We haven't held anything back in our offense this season.  To allude so, and say as much, is just dumb.  Perhaps it was Warrior Dad and Billy Hoyle who made those points earlier this year.  (That would make sense.)
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2018, 10:18:01 AM


I agree entirely with Tower's post below.

Dear diary.....
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
Angry this morning Sultan?  Sheesh.  You have better sleuth capabilities here than I do, based on your numerous previous posts re-hashing things I posted as far back as 7 years ago.

The point we haven't rolled out our real offense had been alluded to early this season - guessing probably after the struggles with Presby, IU, etc.

So I’m other words, you are making a half-baked assertion you can’t back up. Again.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2018, 12:27:23 PM
I can't recall specifically who but high likelihood members of the Scoop Intelligencia.  Chose to let it slide at the time because no need to call out all of the ill-conceived points thrown out here (usually made in an attempt to prop up the spotty/shaky performance of our team.)

I mean we have a thread here "Some ranked teams didn't escape the upset."

Lol! “Cheeks isn’t the only one who has suggested this.” “I don’t know. But I know it’s been multiple people!”

Hilarious.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 12:47:36 PM
So I’m other words, you are making a half-baked assertion you can’t back up. Again.

No.  I'm telling you I can't recall the specific posters who made the idiotic assertions.  Don't have a photographic memory to recall all 1,000,000 posts made here.

Realized it is likely the "other" posters who made the assertion that we were running a vanilla offense, etc - very well could have been Billy Hoyle and Warrior Dad, which many believe are Cheeks.  So..that could explain it.  But, I'm sure a few other in the Intelligenicia alluded to it as well.


Lol! “Cheeks isn’t the only one who has suggested this.” “I don’t know. But I know it’s been multiple people!”

Hilarious.

What's hilarious about it is, it probably was Billy Hoyle and Warrior Dad making that dumb point following our less than stellar performances against Presby, UMBC. 

Though it is entirely possibly you could have joined in too, as well, given your pathetic efforts to prop up the mediocre at best performance turned in by your mancrush thus far.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 06, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
Lol! “Cheeks isn’t the only one who has suggested this.” “I don’t know. But I know it’s been multiple people!”

Hilarious.
Hey, is there somewhere to sign up for the Scoop Intelligencia?  I just don't want to get stuck with the Scoop Ignoramusii.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
No.  I'm telling you I can't recall the specific posters who made the idiotic assertions.  Don't have a photographic memory to recall all 1,000,000 posts made here.

Realized it is likely the "other" posters who made the assertion that we were running a vanilla offense, etc - very well could have been Billy Hoyle and Warrior Dad, which many believe are Cheeks.  So..that could explain it.  But, I'm sure a few other in the Intelligenicia alluded to it as well.


What's hilarious about it is, it probably was Billy Hoyle and Warrior Dad making that dumb point following our less than stellar performances against Presby, UMBC. 

Though it is entirely possibly you could have joined in too, as well, given your pathetic efforts to prop up the mediocre at best performance turned in by your mancrush thus far.


1.  There’s a search function.

2.  There is an IU post game thread.

It isn’t hard to find said posts. But you’re having problems cause the imaginary posts don’t actually exist.

Same Ners just a different name. Sad.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 12:59:37 PM

1.  There’s a search function.

2.  There is an IU post game thread.

It isn’t hard to find said posts. But you’re having problems cause the imaginary posts don’t actually exist.

Same Ners just a different name. Sad.

I'm not going to spend hours trying to sort through any of the UMBC, Presby, Bethune, IU, Kansas, post game threads, or other threads related to those games, to find posts that alluded to us not revealing the extent of our offense. 

Comments like that were made, and since Cheeks served up this idiotic comment in this thread, it is entirely possible while using his alter egos of Warrior Dad and Billy Hoyle, he alluded to the same thing.  Or, entirely possible it was one of the Intelligencia.

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2018, 01:02:38 PM
I'm not going to spend hours trying to sort through any of the UMBC, Presby, Bethune, IU, Kansas, post game threads, or other threads related to those games, to find posts that alluded to us not revealing the extent of our offense. 

Comments like that were made, and since Cheeks served up this idiotic comment in this thread, it is entirely possible while using his alter egos of Warrior Dad and Billy Hoyle, he alluded to the same thing.  Or, entirely possible it was one of the Intelligencia.

Uh-huh...
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: jesmu84 on December 06, 2018, 01:10:35 PM
Angry this morning Sultan?  Sheesh.  You have better sleuth capabilities here than I do, based on your numerous previous posts re-hashing things I posted as far back as 7 years ago.

The point we haven't rolled out our real offense had been alluded to early this season - guessing probably after the struggles with Presby, IU, etc.

I agree entirely with Tower's post below.  We haven't held anything back in our offense this season.  To allude so, and say as much, is just dumb.  Perhaps it was Warrior Dad and Billy Hoyle who made those points earlier this year.  (That would make sense.)

When you have victim-shamed an alleged sexual assault, it should absolutely be rehashed.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
Hey, is there somewhere to sign up for the Scoop Intelligencia?  I just don't want to get stuck with the Scoop Ignoramusii.

You have to apply for that, dude.  Not just anyone gets in.  First question is were you a high school McDonald's All American (Wojo), an All Northern All Star (Ners), or in the band (every other Scooper)?  There are no other options, you had to be in one of those three groups.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2018, 01:40:29 PM
No.  I'm telling you I can't recall the specific posters who made the idiotic assertions.  Don't have a photographic memory to recall all 1,000,000 posts made here.

Realized it is likely the "other" posters who made the assertion that we were running a vanilla offense, etc - very well could have been Billy Hoyle and Warrior Dad, which many believe are Cheeks.  So..that could explain it.  But, I'm sure a few other in the Intelligenicia alluded to it as well.


What's hilarious about it is, it probably was Billy Hoyle and Warrior Dad making that dumb point following our less than stellar performances against Presby, UMBC. 

Though it is entirely possibly you could have joined in too, as well, given your pathetic efforts to prop up the mediocre at best performance turned in by your mancrush thus far.

Hi-lar-ious.

You know what?  Come to think of it, I remember you saying Mbao and McMorrow were sure fire, can't miss NBA all stars.  I can't find the specific post or remember which username of yours you were using at that time, but I'm positive you said it.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2018, 05:07:11 PM
I can't recall specifically who but high likelihood members of the Scoop Intelligencia.  Chose to let it slide at the time because no need to call out all of the ill-conceived points thrown out here (usually made in an attempt to prop up the spotty/shaky performance of our team.)

I mean we have a thread here "Some ranked teams didn't escape the upset."

As High Prefect of the Sacred Order of the Scoop Intelligensia I can tell you no one in our ranks have made such a claim.

I remember posts about players finding their role or getting comfortable in the offense. I also remember talk about cold shooting nights that will sort themselves out. Nothing about us not playing our real offense.

Also, I think it is hilarious that we have been saying Scoop Intelligencia. Intelligencia is the name of a Marvel Super Villain Gang. Intelligensia is the word I think most have been looking for.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
When you have victim-shamed an alleged sexual assault, it should absolutely be rehashed.

#Fake News.  I didn't "victim shame."  Key word in your post:  Alleged. 

I didn't coin the expression:  Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.  That is a thing, because it can* be a thing.  Posting as much in the commentary on that topic doesn't constitute "victim shaming."  Why?

The police didn't found grounds to press charges.  Player in question had previous relationship with accuser.  Encounter started consensually.  Then per the girl's story, changed her mind.  Alcohol involved.  I said there are two sides to every story.  Player's story never came out. 

It is great to be progressive and all, but it's a dangerous precedent to start convicting everyone on allegations.






Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 06:48:45 PM
Hey, is there somewhere to sign up for the Scoop Intelligencia?  I just don't want to get stuck with the Scoop Ignoramusii.

No need to sign up TSmith34.  You are the poster boy for the Intelligencia: A person who feels they have elite level knowledge on a subject matter, but in reality have little to no credentials to assert such knowledge.  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, as do some in the Intelligencia here - but you on the other hand?  Nope.  Like LITERALLY never.   Thankfully, there's only a handful here who truly fall into the category.  It's pretty much actually just you and this volleyball player:

You have to apply for that, dude.  Not just anyone gets in.  First question is were you a high school McDonald's All American (Wojo), an All Northern All Star (Ners), or in the band (every other Scooper)?  There are no other options, you had to be in one of those three groups.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2018, 06:54:49 PM
No need to sign up TSmith34.  You are the poster boy for the Intelligencia: A person who feels they have elite level knowledge on a subject matter, but in reality have little to no credentials to assert such knowledge.  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, as do some in the Intelligencia here - but you on the other hand?  Nope.  Like LITERALLY never.   Thankfully, there's only a handful here who truly fall into the category.  It's pretty much actually just you and this volleyball player:

No doubt. I’ve never shot a basketball in my life!
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2018, 07:08:20 PM
#Fake News.  I didn't "victim shame."  Key word in your post:  Alleged. 

I didn't coin the expression:  Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.  That is a thing, because it can* be a thing.  Posting as much in the commentary on that topic doesn't constitute "victim shaming."  Why?

The police didn't found grounds to press charges.  Player in question had previous relationship with accuser.  Encounter started consensually.  Then per the girl's story, changed her mind.  Alcohol involved.  I said there are two sides to every story.  Player's story never came out. 

It is great to be progressive and all, but it's a dangerous precedent to start convicting everyone on allegations.

You're forgetting the part where you brought up the song "Crazy Biitch" by Buckcherry in reference to the complainant.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 06, 2018, 07:13:39 PM
No doubt. I’ve never shot a basketball in my life!
I don't even know what sports are!

I do, however, know an obnoxious, argumentative pud when I see one.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: BM1090 on December 06, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
I didnt play basketball at a high level after age 14. I know a lot about basketball. More than most. I could draw up successful plays pretty easily. I come up with new tactical concepts when I'm bored because it is fun to me.

I played baseball at a decently high level. Almost every single person on baseball forums know much more about baseball than me.

All this to say, you don't need to play a sport to understand it at a high level. Everyone but Ners seems to understand that.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 07:26:22 PM
I don't even know what sports are!

I do, however, know an obnoxious, argumentative pud when I see one.

Every morning, no doubt.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Cheeks on December 06, 2018, 07:28:38 PM
I'm not going to spend hours trying to sort through any of the UMBC, Presby, Bethune, IU, Kansas, post game threads, or other threads related to those games, to find posts that alluded to us not revealing the extent of our offense. 

Comments like that were made, and since Cheeks served up this idiotic comment in this thread, it is entirely possible while using his alter egos of Warrior Dad and Billy Hoyle, he alluded to the same thing.  Or, entirely possible it was one of the Intelligencia.

No alter egos.  I didn’t make any such comment except in this thread.  It looked like an uninspired output, similar to a vanilla offensive approach in football.  That was my opinion.

Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on December 06, 2018, 07:48:14 PM
I didnt play basketball at a high level after age 14. I know a lot about basketball. More than most. I could draw up successful plays pretty easily. I come up with new tactical concepts when I'm bored because it is fun to me.

I played baseball at a decently high level. Almost every single person on baseball forums know much more about baseball than me.

All this to say, you don't need to play a sport to understand it at a high level. Everyone but Ners seems to understand that.

Agree with your post. 

Most everyone here can see Wojo has been mediocre - that certainly doesn't require having played basketball (on any level) to see.

The Intelligencia here is quite small and been shrinking by the year.  It's down to handful of people, a couple of whom post vociferously yet struggle to acknowledge the mediocre job turned in thus far by Wojo.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: BM1090 on December 06, 2018, 08:05:21 PM
Agree with your post. 

Most everyone here can see Wojo has been mediocre - that certainly doesn't require having played basketball (on any level) to see.

The Intelligencia here is quite small and been shrinking by the year.  It's down to handful of people, a couple of whom post vociferously yet struggle to acknowledge the mediocre job turned in thus far by Wojo.

He hasnt been a great coach to this point. I'd argue he hasnt been mediocre. We've been average or above average the past 4 years. I would agree only a few would like to continue with Wojo as coach if he doesn't show major improvements. I think the improved defensive performance this year is a good start
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2018, 08:10:55 PM
#Fake News.  I didn't "victim shame." 


Ahhh....yeeaahhhh....you pretty much did.

And you still seem OK with that.
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: D'Lo Brown on December 06, 2018, 08:36:15 PM
Agree with your post. 

Most everyone here can see Wojo has been mediocre - that certainly doesn't require having played basketball (on any level) to see.

The Intelligencia here is quite small and been shrinking by the year.  It's down to handful of people, a couple of whom post vociferously yet struggle to acknowledge the mediocre job turned in thus far by Wojo.

What do you get out of this?
Title: Re: UTEP thoughts
Post by: naginiF on December 06, 2018, 09:05:08 PM
How does the N'ers ban anticipation work? 

Is it on a countdown system i.e. "BanHammer in 4 insane posts.....3 insane posts....  An escalating threat warning system i.e. "we've just past level 'rehashing same points from 7 years ago' and are now at Ban Level 'I'm so boxed into a corner I'm blaming you for not proving my point' "......... or is it more of an art than a science i.e. "he's clearly working himself up into a weeks long lather but he hasn't insulted anyones wife yet..."?