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Title: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: real chili 83 on November 17, 2018, 11:50:38 AM
Still hung over from Wednesday night.

Nope this game tells us more than we’ve improved eating cupcakes.

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!

Let’s go with Joey for SOTG.

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Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: forgetful on November 17, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
Don't understand the shooting troubles this year for this team. 

Good shooters missing wide open looks. 
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
Very good start besides shots not falling.

Good ball movement. Good shots. Good defense
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: real chili 83 on November 17, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
Uglier than IU game so far

Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 12:12:55 PM
Yep. Cain misses two good looks and gets pulled before the first tv timeout. #confidencebuilder
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Don't understand the shooting troubles this year for this team. 

Good shooters missing wide open looks.
Aren’t you aware of the poor shooting background at Fiserv Forum?  Go to Dodd’s site and get enlightened.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
LMAO this offense.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
Yep. Cain misses two good looks and gets pulled before the first tv timeout. #confidencebuilder

This is idiotic. Everyone has been subbed out besides Sam.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 17, 2018, 12:23:16 PM
I just hope we don't get hosed....
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 12:26:20 PM
They can finish drives infinitely better than MU so far...since I don't believe MU has finished once
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
This game is tough to watch.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 12:28:30 PM
Amazing how many wide open 10 footers and 3s we've missed. And very makable layups
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: DJO's Jaw on November 17, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
It feels like we caught whatever the Bucks had at the start of their game last night.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
I just hope we don't get hosed....
Pun aside, that implies MU won't deserve it.  Keep playing like this and they will completely deserve what happens to them
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 12:29:38 PM
Markus didn't take a shot in the first 9 minutes. Guess he was told to look for others.

I'm amazed how many wide open looks we've missed so far.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: GoldenZebra on November 17, 2018, 12:32:43 PM
I honestly dont even know why I had positive expectations for this year....
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 12:34:36 PM
I honestly think this is our best performance from a process standpoint. Ball is flowing way better. Defense has been good. Still some lapses. Make some shots and we'll pull away the rest of the game
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 12:37:55 PM
Interesting game so far. Honestly, it's going better than score indicates. The offense has created open jumpshots for Sam, Joey Sacar, and Cain that they are 1/10 on. It's created bunny opportunities for Ed and Sacar that they are 1/4 on. The defense has been really good except for two lapses that I've seen. Bailey was left on an island once that led to a three and poor rotations led to another three.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: forgetful on November 17, 2018, 12:40:14 PM
FTs matter.  55% of our points from the line.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 12:40:40 PM
Honestly (just because we apparently have to say we are being honest based on the last three posts), you could use either of the Hausers to make a how to video for shooting free throws. Of course they will miss the next one
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 12:45:17 PM
Didn't think we could look worse than Wednesday. Whew lad.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
FTs matter.  55% of our points from the line.

Yes. FTAs do matta. And it is better to make them than to miss them.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muguru on November 17, 2018, 12:45:32 PM
Maybe MU is purposely playing like this today knowing they will still win, and don't want to give Kansas too much "good" film to watch.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 12:46:27 PM
Didn't think we could look worse than Wednesday. Whew lad.

We look a lot better actually. Defense is locking them down. Offense is finding open shots that aren't falling. Indiana was scoring at will and didn't let us get any clean looks.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
Maybe MU is purposely playing like this today knowing they will still win, and don't want to give Kansas too much "good" film to watch.
For the love of God, please stop reminding me MU has to play Kansas soon
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 12:47:53 PM
We look a lot better actually. Defense is locking them down. Offense is finding open shots that aren't falling. Indiana was scoring at will and didn't let us get any clean looks.
We're losing to a sub 300 kenpom team. Stop it.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 17, 2018, 12:49:51 PM
A glance at the box score (no video for me) and WOW - where the heck is our offense!?! Thanks TAMU for your summaries.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
There better be at least one inanimate object destroyed in the home team locker room at halftime
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 12:51:25 PM
What game are people watching where they think our defense is playing well?  Our defense is largely terrible outside of a few possessions.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: marquette09 on November 17, 2018, 12:52:24 PM
We look a lot better actually. Defense is locking them down. Offense is finding open shots that aren't falling. Indiana was scoring at will and didn't let us get any clean looks.

Indiana also has Romeo Langford
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
What game are people watching where they think our defense is playing well?  Our defense is largely terrible outside of a few possessions.
Everything is terrible.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
We're losing to a sub 300 kenpom team. Stop it.

Over in college football, THE CITADEL hit a field goal to take the lead over #1 Alabama at Alabama in the second half.  Penalty called it back.  I expect Alabama to win the game, ultimately, as I expect MU to win this game ultimately.  But this is why we play the game.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 17, 2018, 12:53:14 PM
Ummmmm. This team is super bad right now.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 12:53:52 PM
Everything is terrible.

This must be what it feels like to watch Depaul basketball.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on November 17, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
Over in college football, THE CITADEL hit a field goal to take the lead over #1 Alabama at Alabama in the second half.  Penalty called it back.  I expect Alabama to win the game, ultimately, as I expect MU to win this game ultimately.  But this is why we play the game.

Some analogy
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
I'm with the defense is bad too side of the argument. Without the uniforms I honestly don't know if outside fans could recognize which is the Big East team in this game
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
Some analogy
I'm dead hahahah
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 12:56:54 PM
Some analogy

Alabama big favorite at home against The Citadel in football.  Tied at the half.

Marquette big favorite at home against Presbyterian in basketball.  Tied at the half.

Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
This is idiotic. Everyone has been subbed out besides Sam.

You have no clue.  There's a reason why Wojo struggles repeatedly as a coach.  Yanking a guy out from starting rotation 2:30 into a game because he misses two clean 3-point shots is terrible coaching.  That sure as hell doesn't happen to Markus.  Cain shooting 40% from 3.  He should take those shots. 

Feel free to probe my post history from end of last season and cautioning everyone that losing Rowsey was going to be a major blow, and would greatly hamper Markus and Sam.

The standard Wojo fanboys of course disagreed.

We lack athleticism and without a dynamic guy like Rowsey to create pure hell for the opposition's defense, this is what you get.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on November 17, 2018, 12:57:38 PM
Alabama big favorite at home against The Citadel in football.  Tied at the half.

Marquette big favorite at home against Presbyterian in basketball.  Tied at the half.

Is Bama coming off an ass whopping?
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 12:57:48 PM
Just curious, what are everyone's thoughts if we hit 4 of our wide open 3s instead of 0. And 2 wide open 5 footers.

I generally think the offense was fine outside of missed shots. Not great, but fine.

I expect to win this by 15+
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: nyg on November 17, 2018, 12:58:12 PM
26 points on 25% shooting, 0 for 9 from three, against this team.  That’s not good.  Expect that to change in second.

Theo again, for third game in a row, quick fouls and to bench. Same as last year.  Morrow short time at the 5, but mostly Joey. 

Markus took only 4 shots, with three turnovers.

Brendan Bailey is 1 for 13 in his short career.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 12:58:25 PM
We look a lot better actually. Defense is locking them down. Offense is finding open shots that aren't falling. Indiana was scoring at will and didn't let us get any clean looks.

You guys are amusing.  "We look a lot better actually."  Give it a rest.  Presby is a sub 300 team. We trail at the half.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on November 17, 2018, 12:58:53 PM
Just flat out pathetic. This is a buy game, after an awful blowout. There is no reason we should be tied a half.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 12:59:01 PM
You have no clue.  There's a reason why Wojo struggles repeatedly as a coach.  Yanking a guy out from starting rotation 2:30 into a game because he misses two clean 3-point shots is terrible coaching.  That sure as hell doesn't happen to Markus.  Cain shooting 40% from 3.  He should take those shots. 

Feel free to probe my post history from end of last season and cautioning everyone that losing Rowsey was going to be a major blow, and would greatly hamper Markus and Sam.

The standard Wojo fanboys of course disagreed.

We lack athleticism and without a dynamic guy like Rowsey to create pure hell for the opposition's defense, this is what you get.

Glad to have insight from someone sitting on the bench and knows Wojo's reasons.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on November 17, 2018, 12:59:21 PM
You guys are amusing.  "We look a lot better actually."  Give it a rest.  Presby is a sub 300 team. We trail at the half.

Agree. Pathetic. Especially after Wednesday.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 17, 2018, 01:00:12 PM
Just curious, what are everyone's thoughts if we hit 4 of our wide open 3s instead of 0. And 2 wide open 5 footers.

I generally think the offense was fine outside of missed shots. Not great, but fine.

I expect to win this by 15+

Definitely have missed a lot of open jumpers and bunnies.

Still concerning performance.

This team is going to get embarrassed on Wednesday if they don’t magaically figure something out very soon.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:01:15 PM
Just curious, what are everyone's thoughts if we hit 4 of our wide open 3s instead of 0. And 2 wide open 5 footers.

I generally think the offense was fine outside of missed shots. Not great, but fine.

I expect to win this by 15+

My thoughts would still be that our defense is garbage and we turn the ball over too much on offense, even if that fantasy of draining open looks would have happened.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
We're losing to a sub 300 kenpom team. Stop it.

I'm not kidding. Part of that is how bad we were against Indiana. But we are tied because we can't hit the broadside of a barn right now. I'd need to go back and count to be sure, but I'm pretty sure on wide open jumpers:

Cain: 0/4
Joey: 0/1
Sam: 0/2
Bailey: 0/1
Anim: 0/1
Ed: 0/1

On Bunnies:
Ed: 0/2
Joey: 0/2
Sacar: 1/3

Those were all good shots as the result of good offense. Defensively, we've held them to 34% shooting. I saw three defensive breakdowns leading to threes and one bad transition d leading to another three. Their 5 2pt FGs have all been contested, three of them very long range 2P FGs.

This is a dreadful shooting performance. Everything else has looked solid. We have even a bad shooting night and we're winning by double digits.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
Is Bama coming off an ass whopping?

No, they're trying to play for a national championship in college football.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 17, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Over in college football, THE CITADEL hit a field goal to take the lead over #1 Alabama at Alabama in the second half.  Penalty called it back.  I expect Alabama to win the game, ultimately, as I expect MU to win this game ultimately.  But this is why we play the game.

I think Alabama has a better chance. IU took the air out of this team as we are visibly flat. Blue Hose freshman are competing with our upper class men.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 01:03:20 PM
Just curious, what are everyone's thoughts if we hit 4 of our wide open 3s instead of 0. And 2 wide open 5 footers.

I generally think the offense was fine outside of missed shots. Not great, but fine.

I expect to win this by 15+

That's the way I see it.  This is a game where shots aren't falling, wide open shots.  If they were, half the people here pissing and moaning would be only mildly pissing, moaning and shooting their dog.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Goose on November 17, 2018, 01:04:25 PM
Spaniel
The difference maker on offense graduated. Offense is going to be a big struggle for this squad. Their half court offense is needs a ton of work.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: CountryRoads on November 17, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
Definitely have missed a lot of open jumpers and bunnies.

Still concerning performance.

This team is going to get embarrassed on Wednesday if they don’t magaically figure something out very soon.

What’s concerning to me is I don’t really see what else there is to figure out. Like you said, maybe the players will magically get better but the cupboard looks pretty bare this year.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: GoldenZebra on November 17, 2018, 01:04:41 PM
I understand that some people want us to be calm and relax, but why shouldnt expectations be high?
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:04:49 PM
The other piece of this. Markus didn't take his first shot until 10 minutes in. Clearly trying to find his teammates more. When we get shooting performances like this that could reinforce the idea that Howard has to do it all himself.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 01:05:28 PM
To be clear, if we continue to miss shots in the 2nd half and don't put the game away then I'll be very concerned. I just expect to be better since the offense has flowed better.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Silent Verbal on November 17, 2018, 01:06:30 PM
That's the way I see it.  This is a game where shots aren't falling, wide open shots.  If they were, half the people here pissing and moaning would be only mildly pissing, moaning and shooting their dog.

I would only shoot my dog if it choked and then peed down its leg.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:06:58 PM
The other piece of this. Markus didn't take his first shot until 10 minutes in. Clearly trying to find his teammates more. When we get shooting performances like this that could reinforce the idea that Howard has to do it all himself.
But I've been told the Markus is all about (my new fingernails on a chalkboard phrase) hero ball
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Johnny B on November 17, 2018, 01:08:44 PM
It's amazing how far everyone's standards have fallen for this team. Yes they are defending 2 star players. Yay.. just sad to see how far this program has fallen over the years
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: mugrack on November 17, 2018, 01:09:25 PM
I like our team, they are just bad at basketball
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: nyg on November 17, 2018, 01:10:18 PM
That's the way I see it.  This is a game where shots aren't falling, wide open shots.  If they were, half the people here pissing and moaning would be only mildly pissing, moaning and shooting their dog.

As TAMU documented, 2 for 17 against this team is brutal and should not happen.  You state IF shots falling, well they did not.  Woulda coulda shoulda....  still not falling.  But MU will win

Bama up by 3 touchdowns...

Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 17, 2018, 01:10:51 PM
I'm not watching but I'll hazard a guess that hero ball is about to make a comeback!
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:11:15 PM
I wish someone would have shown me the first 2:18 of this second half back in April and I wouldn't have gotten my hopes up so high.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on November 17, 2018, 01:11:52 PM
That's the way I see it.  This is a game where shots aren't falling, wide open shots.  If they were, half the people here pissing and moaning would be only mildly pissing, moaning and shooting their dog.

"if" always the operative word.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: DJO's Jaw on November 17, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
I think I've reached my limit of being ok with letting Markus run the point
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:12:51 PM
No no no, there should be no cheering for Markus on that fast break defenseive play. His pass that brought it about was indefensible
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
It's amazing how far everyone's standards have fallen for this team. Yes they are defending 2 star players. Yay.. just sad to see how far this program has fallen over the years
Imagine being content with being up 2 to a sub 300 team in the second half. Couldn't be me.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 01:15:39 PM
Over in college football, THE CITADEL hit a field goal to take the lead over #1 Alabama at Alabama in the second half.  Penalty called it back.  I expect Alabama to win the game, ultimately, as I expect MU to win this game ultimately.  But this is why we play the game.

How’s that Alabama Citadel game going?  Please don’t bring your silly analogies here.

Reeks of desperation to try to equate a National Championship Alabama football team coached by Saban, being off to a slow start to an MU basketball team under Wojo.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 01:16:00 PM
For someone who thinks the defense has been bad today, can you explain what's wrong with it? I'm at the game and sure we've had some breakdowns leading to open shots but I've thought the majority of possessions have been good. Maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:16:20 PM
I think I've reached my limit of being ok with letting Markus run the point

Honestly, Markus at the point is not the problem in this game.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Goose on November 17, 2018, 01:16:58 PM
MUEagle
They are playing one of the worst teams in the country.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:17:23 PM
Imagine being content with being up 2 to a sub 300 team in the second half. Couldn't be me.

No one here is content. There is no excuse for this level of poor shooting.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: DJO's Jaw on November 17, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
Honestly, Markus at the point is not the problem in this game.

I agree, but I've kinda reached my limit on hand waving away some of these turnovers
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 17, 2018, 01:18:45 PM
What’s concerning to me is I don’t really see what else there is to figure out. Like you said, maybe the players will magically get better but the cupboard looks pretty bare this year.

There is a ton of talent on this team. The cupboard definitely isn’t bare. They’re just not meshing at all so far.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Boone on November 17, 2018, 01:19:11 PM
Howard is REALLY struggling. Not good sign
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on November 17, 2018, 01:19:16 PM
How’s that Alabama Citadel game going?  Please don’t bring your silly analogies here.

Reeks of desperation to try to equate a National Championship Alabama football team coached by Saban, being off to a slow start to an MU basketball team under Wojo.

This
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 01:19:21 PM
Well, the last 3 possessions sure were awful. Maybe there is my answer.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
Well, the last 3 possessions sure were awful. Maybe there is my answer.

Was about to see the same thing
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: mugrack on November 17, 2018, 01:20:19 PM
Can Wojo be fired mid game?
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 01:20:40 PM
MUEagle
They are playing one of the worst teams in the country.

We dont know that yet. But specifically I'm talking about on ball, rotations, etc. What is bad?

Yes I'm now concerned
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:20:50 PM
I blame this $&@" on all of you.  To my own detriment, I do no independent research on college basketball in my free time, so my confidence level in MUs team potential is born from the general consensus of this board. You all suck
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TVDirector on November 17, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
First game of the year here-
May be my last. 
What a freakin disgrace
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: nyg on November 17, 2018, 01:21:51 PM
For someone who thinks the defense has been bad today, can you explain what's wrong with it? I'm at the game and sure we've had some breakdowns leading to open shots but I've thought the majority of possessions have been good. Maybe I'm missing something.

Doubling teaming and no switching quick enough leading to open shots. Just happened with Cain and Morrow, with Bardo calling it on the players.

MU has 15 turnovers, PU has 6.  Defense, not good. 
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:22:26 PM
Can Wojo be fired mid game?

If they lose, he should be after the game.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
Doubling teaming and no switching quick enough leading to open shots. Just happened with Cain and Morrow, with Bardo calling it on the players.

MU has 15 turnovers, PU has 6.  Defense, not good.

The d has been real bad in the second half
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 01:23:28 PM
Can we set an actual screen? We "set" terrible screens
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on November 17, 2018, 01:23:46 PM
Doubling teaming and no switching quick enough leading to open shots. Just happened with Cain and Morrow, with Bardo calling it on the players.

MU has 15 turnovers, PU has 6.  Defense, not good.

nothing is good.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:23:56 PM
The d has been real bad in the second half

It has been bad all game.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2018, 01:24:16 PM
 Looks like the Blue Hoes are giving us a game.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:24:39 PM
It has been bad all game.

Not by any measurement.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:25:33 PM
Not by any measurement.

False.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jesmu84 on November 17, 2018, 01:25:54 PM
I'm not kidding. Part of that is how bad we were against Indiana. But we are tied because we can't hit the broadside of a barn right now. I'd need to go back and count to be sure, but I'm pretty sure on wide open jumpers:

Cain: 0/4
Joey: 0/1
Sam: 0/2
Bailey: 0/1
Anim: 0/1
Ed: 0/1

On Bunnies:
Ed: 0/2
Joey: 0/2
Sacar: 1/3

Those were all good shots as the result of good offense. Defensively, we've held them to 34% shooting. I saw three defensive breakdowns leading to threes and one bad transition d leading to another three. Their 5 2pt FGs have all been contested, three of them very long range 2P FGs.

This is a dreadful shooting performance. Everything else has looked solid. We have even a bad shooting night and we're winning by double digits.
#firewojo
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Boone on November 17, 2018, 01:26:07 PM
Howard has 5-6 turnovers. How is that not a problem?
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:27:26 PM
False.

Make your argument. What stats can you provide to back it up?
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jonny09 on November 17, 2018, 01:27:38 PM
This is a bad team.  Plain and simple. Overestimations across the board.  Wow!!
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muhoops1 on November 17, 2018, 01:27:54 PM
I’m afraid of what Kansas and LU or Tenn will do to this team.  MU looks unatheltic as all get out.  Really slow.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: KipsBayEagle on November 17, 2018, 01:28:08 PM
We've attempted more 3 pointers than 2 pointers.  Design some plays and take the ball to the f-ing rack.  This is pathetic.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:28:10 PM
If there are stats that can portray this defensive performance in a positive light the categories are obviously worthless misleading stats and should be stricken from the statistical universe
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on November 17, 2018, 01:28:24 PM
#firewojo
Extend him
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:28:33 PM
Howard has 5-6 turnovers. How is that not a problem?

It's a huge problem
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Goose on November 17, 2018, 01:28:56 PM
jonny
Not across the board on expectations.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: whitykj on November 17, 2018, 01:29:12 PM
The fact that Wojo thought Markus should play the point when he’s not a strong ball handeler, not a good off the dribble shooter, and a turnover machine, makes me seriously question his coaching ability
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muguru on November 17, 2018, 01:30:11 PM
If the Wojo supporters aren't fed up after this performance(win or lose), what exactly will it take?? You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: forgetful on November 17, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Hopefully the 3 from Chartouny does a lot for his confidence.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
Make your argument. What stats can you provide to back it up?

I have two eyes and a general understanding of what good defensive basketball should look like.  We don't play defense.  Not sure what a statistic is for wide-open looks is but there have been many.

Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
If the Wojo supporters aren't fed up after this performance(win or lose), what exactly will it take?? You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Got to give him until year 8.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:34:13 PM
Here we go, JC stepping it up.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on November 17, 2018, 01:34:37 PM
We have a Chartouny siting!
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 17, 2018, 01:34:48 PM
Breathe fellas
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: whitykj on November 17, 2018, 01:35:01 PM
The team looks so much better with JC at point it’s not even close.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 01:35:44 PM
Yay for regression to the mean.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 01:35:55 PM
The fact that Wojo thought Markus should play the point when he’s not a strong ball handeler, not a good off the dribble shooter, and a turnover machine, makes me seriously question his coaching ability

Shouldn’t be surprised. He played Cheatham at point over Carter.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:36:14 PM
I have two eyes and a general understanding of what good defensive basketball should look like.  We don't play defense.  Not sure what a statistic is for wide-open looks is but there have been many.

So you have nothing.

There were very few wide open looks in the first half for PC. They converted most of the ones they got. Defense has been atrocious in the second half.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 01:36:20 PM
If JC can carry this over and gain confidence, we will be fine.  Big step up for him in the second half.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Goose on November 17, 2018, 01:36:32 PM
SpaceforRent
Only an idiot would have feared a loss today, even trailing by six in second half. The angst is over a horrible performance.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:36:55 PM
The team looks so much better with JC at point it’s not even close.

He just needs to ignore Wojo and play his game.  Against UMBC, he took a wide open three and missed horribly.  Wojo yanked him immediately and yelled at him.  I think he has been playing scared since then. 
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 01:37:19 PM
How’s that Alabama Citadel game going?  Please don’t bring your silly analogies here.

Reeks of desperation to try to equate a National Championship Alabama football team coached by Saban, being off to a slow start to an MU basketball team under Wojo.

Going exactly how I said it would. Alabama would win the second half and Marquette would do the same.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 01:38:07 PM
Glad to see we are actually running an offense now.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:38:15 PM
Shouldn’t be surprised. He played Cheatham at point over Carter.

Do you mean Cheatham over Duane? I don't think Cheatham played PG much when Carter was here.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
So you have nothing.

There were very few wide open looks in the first half for PC. They converted most of the ones they got. Defense has been atrocious in the second half.

LOL okay. 
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:38:49 PM
Glad to see we are actually running an offense now.

Exact same offense. Shots are just falling.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:39:06 PM
Huh, Bethune-Cookman is up 5 on Miami in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: DJO's Jaw on November 17, 2018, 01:39:20 PM
Really really big for JC's confidence for him to hit those two 3's. That could be really important for helping us to improve on offense.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jesmu84 on November 17, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
Exact same offense. Shots are just falling.

This. #firewojo
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 17, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
SpaceforRent
Only an idiot would have feared a loss today, even trailing by six in second half. The angst is over a horrible performance.

Oh I agree. But I’ll be honest, I’m not surprised they came out tight, after the Indiana spanking that tends to happen to teams.

Now, as patient as I’ve been with Wojo that is fully on him not pressing the right buttons to where this team came out firing and burying Presbyterian in the ground.

Certainly not as optimistic as I was preseason, but it is a looong season. I’ll save my pitchfork sharpening until a later date.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
He just needs to ignore Wojo and play his game.  Against UMBC, he took a wide open three and missed horribly.  Wojo yanked him immediately and yelled at him.  I think he has been playing scared since then.

Probably good advice for all the guys. As they showed in first half when Wojo pulled him out and then grabbed on to him and tried to “coach” him, Chartouney basically looked at him like “whatever dude.”
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jesmu84 on November 17, 2018, 01:40:39 PM
Extend him

Or. Let the games/season play out and not make statements after 3 games into a season with a new roster...
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on November 17, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
Exact same offense. Shots are just falling.
that backcut to Sam? We haven't done that all year.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:41:03 PM
Exact same offense. Shots are just falling.

Are you joking?  Very different offense with JC out there.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 17, 2018, 01:41:56 PM
Probably good advice for all the guys. As they showed in first half when Wojo pulled him out and then grabbed on to him and tried to “coach” him, Chartouney basically looked at him like “whatever dude.”

Didn’t know you were a body language expert. Please tell me more.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on November 17, 2018, 01:42:28 PM
Do you mean Cheatham over Duane? I don't think Cheatham played PG much when Carter was here.

Wrong. They came in the same recruiting class. Wojo hell bent on square peg on round hole playing Cheatham at PG most of that season.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: GGGG on November 17, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
Didn’t know you were a body language expert. Please tell me more.

He’s not. It’s whatever fits his narrative. See “slap of five.”
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: hairy worthen on November 17, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
We've attempted more 3 pointers than 2 pointers.  Design some plays and take the ball to the f-ing rack.  This is pathetic.
that's what basketball  is now like it or not.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: nyg on November 17, 2018, 01:44:46 PM
Good lineup

Markus
Joe C
Joey
Sam
Theo

Just that Theo had foul issues again and wasn’t clicking. Good for Joe, came out of shell
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 01:44:59 PM
He just needs to ignore Wojo and play his game.  Against UMBC, he took a wide open three and missed horribly.  Wojo yanked him immediately and yelled at him.  I think he has been playing scared since then.

I thought Wojo did a good job pulling him to the side early in the game, leaving him in the second half to play through it.  If you are going to criticize, you should also acknowledge the good coaching moves, too.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
Chartouny showing up and doing well.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: ATWizJr on November 17, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
Wojos just trying to lull Kansas into a false sense of security.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 01:47:47 PM
How’s that Alabama Citadel game going?  Please don’t bring your silly analogies here.

Reeks of desperation to try to equate a National Championship Alabama football team coached by Saban, being off to a slow start to an MU basketball team under Wojo.

You miss the point.  If the #1 team in the country playing at home against THE CITADEL can be tied at the half, that should tell you it can happen to anyone, including Marquette.  But as also stated, Bama would win and so will we.

If you want a different example, Notre Dame trailing at the half at home to 1-3 William and Mary.  ND currently up 2 points with 11 minutes to play. 

Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Goose on November 17, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
ATwiz
Lulled me into a nice nap.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: jutaw22mu on November 17, 2018, 01:48:22 PM
Good lineup

Markus
Joe C
Joey
Sam
Theo

Just that Theo had foul issues again and wasn’t clicking. Good for Joe, came out of shell

This line up has been really good!
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Mutaman on November 17, 2018, 01:51:10 PM
Got to give him until year 8.

No year 13- the McCarthy precedent. Cheese heads are very patient.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
Wrong. They came in the same recruiting class. Wojo hell bent on square peg on round hole playing Cheatham at PG most of that season.

I don't think this is correct. Traci ran the point whenever he was in the game with Cheatham and got 24 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 17, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
The funny thing about that was we were only 4 points from covering. Regression to the mean.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: BM1090 on November 17, 2018, 01:52:36 PM
Just an easy 19 point win not sure what anyone was worried about
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Mutaman on November 17, 2018, 01:53:05 PM
You miss the point.  If the #1 team in the country playing at home against THE CITADEL can be tied at the half, that should tell you it can happen to anyone, including Marquette.  But as also stated, Bama would win and so will we.

If you want a different example, Notre Dame trailing at the half at home to 1-3 William and Mary.  ND currently up 2 points with 11 minutes to play.

Might be the worst analogys in the history of the  internet.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2018, 01:53:24 PM
Nice stretch run at end to pull away.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on November 17, 2018, 01:53:37 PM
Whew.  I just remembered I have something that will prevent me from being near a TV or radio on Wednesday night.  I don't know what it is yet, but I'll definitely not be able to get to a TV.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 17, 2018, 01:54:20 PM
Also, KenPom has us down for a 85-64 win. So really, not far off at all.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: forgetful on November 17, 2018, 01:54:38 PM
In the end, we win by 19, and if we had made a few wide open shots in the first half, we would have won in laugher by a 30+ margin and held a team averaging 91 points per game to 55.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: DUNKS45 on November 17, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
Good lineup

Markus
Joe C
Joey
Sam
Theo

Just that Theo had foul issues again and wasn’t clicking. Good for Joe, came out of shell

Yeah they played well together.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muguru on November 17, 2018, 01:55:46 PM
You miss the point.  If the #1 team in the country playing at home against THE CITADEL can be tied at the half, that should tell you it can happen to anyone, including Marquette.  But as also stated, Bama would win and so will we.

If you want a different example, Notre Dame trailing at the half at home to 1-3 William and Mary.  ND currently up 2 points with 11 minutes to play.

I see people use examples like these all the time(and not bashing you at all for it), and I always think...so what if it CAN/DOES happen to those teams, I couldn't care less about OTHER teams and what happens to them, I ONLY care about what happens to MY teams, and regardless of what happens to other teams, I don't want/like that sh*t happening to my teams.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Also, KenPom has us down for a 85-64 win. So really, not far off at all.

Check out my prediction in the prediction thread

#betterthanKenPom  ;D
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 17, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Nice to see the guys battle through their frustration; especially JC. Our defense is still pretty bad. They had so many open 3s and made them which is what made the game so close for most of the game. As for the offense I'm encouraged as the scoring was  a team effort. Still don't expect to win on Wednesday. Just hope it is more competitive and that we're not blown out in the first 5-10 minutes.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2018, 02:06:38 PM
Nice to see the guys battle through their frustration;

Certainly not talking about the majority of posters.   
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: WarriorDad on November 17, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
I see people use examples like these all the time(and not bashing you at all for it), and I always think...so what if it CAN/DOES happen to those teams, I couldn't care less about OTHER teams and what happens to them, I ONLY care about what happens to MY teams, and regardless of what happens to other teams, I don't want/like that sh*t happening to my teams.

My team won by 19 today. How did your team do?
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: AZWarrior on November 17, 2018, 03:29:06 PM
Wojos just trying to lull Kansas into a false sense of security.

It's working.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 17, 2018, 03:37:34 PM
Had to tape the game but saw the score progression.  This should be a fun read 😂
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 17, 2018, 03:43:19 PM
Wrong. They came in the same recruiting class. Wojo hell bent on square peg on round hole playing Cheatham at PG most of that season.

This is flat out wrong. Traci played 59% of the minutes, all of them at the point. Duane and Cheatham split the rest of the point duties. Yes, Haani played some point, but it wasn't his primary position. Our four most frequent lineups in the last 5 games of the season (all Pomeroy shows) had both Carter & Cheatham on the floor together with Carter at the point. Our 6 most frequent lineups had Carter at the point.

Traci was the point guard. Duane was the backup, Haanif got spot minutes at the position.
Title: Re: Blue Hose game thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 17, 2018, 06:34:20 PM
Certainly not talking about the majority of posters.

Well i was certainly battling my frustrations.