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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 06, 2018, 10:12:10 PM

Title: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
1.   If MU shoots an expected percentage from 3, this is a 35-40 point laugher. 
2.   UMBC is from the American East.   They had a great run last year.   They are not a great team.   Don't make them more than they are. 
3.  Disappointed that MU did not flash a shooter to the foul line against the zone.   
4.  Sacar  and Markus are the only two who showed they can beat a man off the dribble tonight.    Joey tried, but did not finish.
5.  Sam did not look like he had 100% lift yet.   
6.  Theo DID look like had 100% lift.  Double double.   Good on ya, young man. 
7.  The defensive intensity was there
8.  Joey and Brendan... I thought Joey looked a little slow.   Brendan was better on defense.   They are both going to be very good. 
9.  The PG situation gives me pause.   Markus is better off the ball.   Chartouny is not fully acclimated yet. 
10.   When you are 3 happy.... and not hitting 3's... MU stood around too much on the perimeter.
11.  Opponents are still going to work to have Markus switch onto a big.    The good news is that most of our wings can defend the perimeter.   And that we have more size coming from the corner when they throw the lob to the big. 
12.  Heldt at garbage time.  I don't like that at all. 
13.   I am not going to worry about the margin.   This game was never in doubt.   MU played good defense and shot poorly.    Words rarely typed recently. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Jay Bee on November 06, 2018, 10:14:05 PM
Marquette beats UMBC 67-42. Defensive eFG% for #mubb tonight was 27.4%. That appears to be their best since 27.3% on December 29, 2007.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on November 06, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
Got good looks, they didn't fall.  Other than the lull in the middle of the first half, thought we played well overall.  The defense looked much improved.  Just the length and physicality on the court is a big improvement.

Very encouraged.  We won't see Sam and Markus shoot that poorly very often at all.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 06, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
It was a fine, but not perfect start. I see a lot of potential but a lot of work to do. Newcomers are still going to take awhile to get into the flow. Not sure what to think about Heldt.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: geps on November 06, 2018, 10:18:14 PM
Wasn't it 44-30 for about 4 minutes?
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: T-Bone on November 06, 2018, 10:18:39 PM
12.  Heldt at garbage time.  I don't like that at all. 

Yeah.  I'll be interested if Wojo gets asked about that in post game.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on November 06, 2018, 10:19:56 PM
Wojo is in the business of winning basketball games.  He knows what Heldt is going to give him every night.  He doesn't know what young and new guys are going to bring him every night.  Sure it's nice to get lesser players minutes against cupcakes, but when you're going on the road to Indiana in 8 days, I'd rather get the more talented players as many minutes together as possible to try to get some sort of flow together.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 06, 2018, 10:21:16 PM
That was ugly. That is all.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 06, 2018, 10:22:38 PM
Maybe Wojo is waiting to unleash a brand new Super Heldt to reign terror down upon Indiana.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2018, 10:22:52 PM
I am a big Heldt fan . The Coach will play him at the appropriate time in the season. Morrow Theo Joey and Bailey need the reps right now.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MomofMUltiples on November 06, 2018, 10:24:15 PM
Herman’s new theme this year: Wojo not playing Heldt enough.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: nyg on November 06, 2018, 10:25:00 PM
Yeah.  I'll be interested if Wojo gets asked about that in post game.

He is not going to say that Morrow, Theo and Joey are much better players than Matt.  But in reality thats probably the reason. 

Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: nyg on November 06, 2018, 10:27:38 PM
Besides Tower’s stuff, I liked no foul issues, especially no fouls 40 feet from basket on switches.  Hope that trend continues.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: TAMU Garcia on November 06, 2018, 10:32:06 PM
Disagree with #4. Sam had a nice drive with a pretty finish in the first half.

Defense looks so much better. Need to see it against a real opponent but the rotations and help defense is night and day better.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: TheREALwrk on November 06, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
Surprised no one is talking about Morrow. WTF?
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on November 06, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
14. Jamal Cain looked very good in the second half.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GoldenEagle323 on November 06, 2018, 10:38:27 PM
14. Jamal Cain looked very good in the second half.
I think hes going to be key for us down the stretch, so long and athletic
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on November 06, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
Surprised no one is talking about Morrow. WTF?

I agree, he did not look great. I thought he would be a dominant force down low. So far he is NOT as advertised.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: nyg on November 06, 2018, 10:47:50 PM
Surprised no one is talking about Morrow. WTF?

Morrow had no points, no rebounds and two turnovers

Joe C. did not make a shot, had two free throws and two assists.

Just getting the rust off.

Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on November 06, 2018, 10:48:35 PM
R-E-L-A-X
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GB Warrior on November 06, 2018, 11:13:46 PM
They're going to need a guy willing and able to take it to the rack this year. Otherwise, teams are going to camp on the 3 ball.

Bonus observation: our band seems even worse than it's been in recent years
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Marcus92 on November 06, 2018, 11:21:51 PM
Nice recap, Tower. KenPom predicted a 20-point win, we won by 25. It was ugly on offense, but that's the last thing I'm worried about with this team. Need more consistent movement and passing. Shooting will be there. Despite some mix-ups on switches and rotations early, Marquette played strong team defense, forced a lot of desperate shots and rebounded well. I'll take it.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 06, 2018, 11:25:20 PM
Herman’s new theme this year: Wojo not playing Heldt enough.

Good reading comprehension there, no where near what he even said.  Fail
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 06, 2018, 11:28:58 PM
Morrow looked to be about 6’4 out there with no hops.  Played poorly.  Surprised Heldt didnt get more of his time,  morrow looked lost n did nothig.

Chartouney struggled to scote but his defense, ball handling n passing were really good
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MomofMUltiples on November 06, 2018, 11:32:13 PM
Joe C sunk a beautiful long-range 3-pointer (Rowsey-esque, even!) that didn’t count because it was after a foul. So we know he can do it.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: brewcity77 on November 06, 2018, 11:43:06 PM
14. Jamal Cain looked very good in the second half.

He is such a natural rebounder. His length and instincts on the glass are excellent.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2018, 11:43:46 PM
Solid win. Sam and Theo did very well.  We are 1-0. Move on to the next game.

Markus will find his shot soon.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: 79Warrior on November 06, 2018, 11:50:13 PM
He is not going to say that Morrow, Theo and Joey are much better players than Matt.  But in reality thats probably the reason.

No question. Matt has moved to the end of the bench barring injuries.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2018, 11:50:56 PM
As I watched the game, I assumed Heldt was sitting out with some kind of minor injury. Then he went in during garbage time, and I was really surprised. I have said many times that one sign we are actually ready to seriously contend for something will be if Heldt plays no more than 15 mpg. But I was surprised by darn near zero minutes for him.

The other surprise for me out of Game 1 was that Morrow was a non-entity. I'll dismiss it as "newbie jitters" or whatever. For him to get the start, he must have been doing A-OK in practice.

Most impressed with Theo, obviously, and with Markus for having a complete game despite not being able to buy a bucket. And, of course, Sam just being Sam; he gave us a scare when he went down in a heap and we were so glad that he came back in soon and immediately hit a 3.

Was also impressed with the many things Joey could do -- including bring the ball up the court a few times -- and with BB's first game.

I also liked how aggressive the defense was and I mentioned a couple of times how much I like our length compared to last season.

UMBC is not a very good team, and Bethune Cookman will be worse. Looking forward to Indiana -- hope we're really ready to battle by Game 3.

Nothing that happened in Game 1 made me less enthusiastic and optimistic. I think we're gonna have a great season.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Benny B on November 07, 2018, 12:03:56 AM
MU shot an amazing 100% from the field on after-the-whistle shots tonight. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MuMark on November 07, 2018, 12:25:01 AM
Wojo,talked about not playing Matt post game.

1 very little separation among the bigs
2 UMBC is a unique team in that their bigs are their best shooters.......and at times they played basically all perimeter players.
3 We will not play many teams like this and when we play teams with more traditional lineups Matt might play significant minutes.

4 " I love Matt. He will do whatever it takes for the team to win.....he was the happiest guy in the locker room"


That's the gist of it.....it was about matchups.....Matt chasing guys around the perimeter is not the best use of his talents.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 07, 2018, 12:31:10 AM
He is such a natural rebounder. His length and instincts on the glass are excellent.

Nose for the ball like JFB, Crowder, and Zar

Pound for pound the best rebounder on the team
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MUunderpants on November 07, 2018, 12:41:14 AM
Charthoohny (sp) and Morrow were bad.    I said the same thing about transfers Lockett, Reinhardt and Carlino early, and to my delight they all became indispensable as the their respective seasons progressed.      Hoping to see the same.   
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: WarriorDad on November 07, 2018, 01:42:51 AM
It is early, relax.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 07, 2018, 05:44:53 AM
morrows playing time seemed spotty.  difficult to get into rhythm.   chartouney looked to have a little bit of his winter coat going already. seemed a little more "filled out" than i remember unless they fitted him with a flak jacket or something like quarterbacks
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: burger on November 07, 2018, 06:40:51 AM
The best play of the night is when the kid from UMBC drove and Theo almost broke his nose when he tried to block the shot.....Got the hard foul.....

On the TV......Bardo goes......Marquette was just playing good old fashion B.East basketball......

Very positive defensive sign moving forward......

Message sent and delivered.....
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GB Warrior on November 07, 2018, 06:52:54 AM
MU shot an amazing 100% from the field on after-the-whistle shots tonight.

Great play calling by Stan
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2018, 07:10:11 AM
Wojo,talked about not playing Matt post game.

1 very little separation among the bigs
2 UMBC is a unique team in that their bigs are their best shooters.......and at times they played basically all perimeter players.
3 We will not play many teams like this and when we play teams with more traditional lineups Matt might play significant minutes.

4 " I love Matt. He will do whatever it takes for the team to win.....he was the happiest guy in the locker room"


That's the gist of it.....it was about matchups.....Matt chasing guys around the perimeter is not the best use of his talents.

Thanks for this. One thing Wojo has had since pretty early in his MU tenure is a good sense for how to use guys at the 5. I actually look at this as a very positive sign, that he isn't "beholden" to Matt just for being a good soldier, that he will play the guys who give us the best chance to win.

MU shot an amazing 100% from the field on after-the-whistle shots tonight. 

While watching this, I thought the exact same thing. Markus hit several after-the-whistle shots, and a few other guys did, too. I couldn't help but laugh when the 4th or 5th went through.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: TAMU Garcia on November 07, 2018, 07:16:16 AM
Man,  reading some of these posts you'd think wed won by single digits. We beat a team by 25 in a game that the oddsmakers said we should win by 17-20 when our three point shooters couldn't hit Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach. I'm not sure how this game is anything but encouraging
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: esotericmindguy on November 07, 2018, 07:23:27 AM
Man,  reading some of these posts you'd think wed won by single digits. We beat a team by 25 in a game that the oddsmakers said we should win by 17-20 when our three point shooters couldn't hit Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach. I'm not sure how this game is anything but encouraging

No doubt. MU needed OT to beat a cupcake last season. Last year,
If they shot similarily,  this is a close game. I came away encouraged as well. Lowest Opponent FG% since 2004 and people are worried about Heldt’s playing time. Matt Heldt. Haha.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: warriorchick on November 07, 2018, 07:24:00 AM
Man,  reading some of these posts you'd think wed won by single digits. We beat a team by 25 in a game that the oddsmakers said we should win by 17-20 when our three point shooters couldn't hit Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach. I'm not sure how this game is anything but encouraging

It wouldn't be Scoop if some people weren't miserable about something.

We could win the National Championship, and all the posts would be about how much we are going to suck next year in comparison and how Wojo is going to get recruited away,
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2018, 07:25:58 AM
Man,  reading some of these posts you'd think wed won by single digits. We beat a team by 25 in a game that the oddsmakers said we should win by 17-20 when our three point shooters couldn't hit Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach. I'm not sure how this game is anything but encouraging

Yep.  Lots of good things last night.   I doubt MU shoots 20% from 3 many more times this year.     So.....many.....options.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 07, 2018, 07:26:20 AM
I agree, he did not look great. I thought he would be a dominant force down low. So far he is NOT as advertised.


So far...after one game.  ::)

It's very simple.  Got in early foul trouble so he never go into a rhythm.  And John was a beast. 

Let's just be patient.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 07, 2018, 07:28:13 AM
Man,  reading some of these posts you'd think wed won by single digits. We beat a team by 25 in a game that the oddsmakers said we should win by 17-20 when our three point shooters couldn't hit Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach. I'm not sure how this game is anything but encouraging


The biggest problem the last couple of years was the perimeter defense - and last night it was outstanding!!!

Markus isn't going to shoot that bad from deep often.  He hits a couple more of those and it's a 30 point game.  On top of that, he looked like a very competent point guard out there. 

And those young guys can play.  Joey is going to be stellar once he figures it out. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: We R Final Four on November 07, 2018, 07:44:35 AM
The best play of the night is when the kid from UMBC drove and Theo almost broke his nose when he tried to block the shot.....Got the hard foul.....

On the TV......Bardo goes......Marquette was just playing good old fashion B.East basketball......

Very positive defensive sign moving forward......

Message sent and delivered.....
Yes—Theo was definitely setting the tone as the intimidator. He was standing over players that he knocked down, stared at players after a block, and talking at opposing players all game. He’s defining that he is the force in the middle.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Wojo's Whiteboard on November 07, 2018, 07:47:59 AM
How many points did MU score in the paint?  I know Markus doesn’t need much separation to knock down the three but I sure would like to see the ball in the paint more to keep the other team’s defense off balance. Feels like they just have to guard the perimeter all night.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: dgies9156 on November 07, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
First of all Brother and Sister Scoopers, you do know that Marcus scored 15 last night and as bad as our shooting was, our scoring was more balanced than it has been in a long time.

Second, there were times last night when I thought Marcus was Butch Lee, the way he drove the lane. The fact that we did more than camp out on the three line last night was one of the most promising things about the game.

Third, I like the new Computing Castle/Forum. Was on the lower deck and thought the place had some of the character of the old arena. A little gimmicky at times but it’s gonna be fun, especially as we compete for a Natchamp.

Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: fjm on November 07, 2018, 08:17:12 AM
Love what I saw from the D! Give JoeC and Morrow a handful of games to get in the groove. As someone else said, I remember wanting to pin locket and Katin to the end of the bench 4 games into the season. Boy would I have been wrong.

also wow, ners is so right! We are trash on O this year. One game in and I can already tell we are NIT bound with this Offense.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: mu03eng on November 07, 2018, 08:20:02 AM
Nothing but positive results from last night in my book. Theo and Chartouney are gonna take some time to integrate with the team but I saw nothing last night that tells me it won't happen. In fact, at one point in the 2nd half after I think Joe took a bad look from 3, when he came out Wojo lit into him like I've never seen him to during a game....it was a real ass chewing. Ya know what, Chartouney was back in a couple of minutes later and played well.

I think Wojo gets it this year and I'm excited. Also enjoyed that we did not pick up fouls 40 feet from the basket trying to hedge aggresively on PnR defense, that was nice.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Its DJOver on November 07, 2018, 08:31:06 AM
Great buy game.  Never concerned that we weren't going to win, but good enough to spot things to work on.  D was great, shots will start to fall.  Most impressive thing was how comfortable the Freshman looked on D.  Joey got burned once or twice, but if you didn't know that they were Freshman, you wouldn't be able to tell.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2018, 08:31:41 AM
Don't cee wear Markus has improved over his career. Given his size deficiency and such, all dis talk 'bout the Association, is poppycock, aina?
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: ducs on November 07, 2018, 08:41:01 AM
Wonder if they’ll dim the arena lights and do the flames during a timeout again?  Thought it was a little odd
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MUfan12 on November 07, 2018, 08:44:41 AM
Don't cee wear Markus has improved over his career. Given his size deficiency and such, all dis talk 'bout the Association, is poppycock, aina?

I'd have to see what the numbers show, but he's a better finisher at the rim. He still doesn't see the game as a PG though. So much dribbling and shot hunting last night.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 07, 2018, 08:47:43 AM
I'd have to see what the numbers show, but he's a better finisher at the rim. He still doesn't see the game as a PG though. So much dribbling and shot hunting last night.


I guess I don't really agree with this.  I don't see many high quality PGs that play the game different than Markus does now. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2018, 08:54:12 AM
I'd have to see what the numbers show, but he's a better finisher at the rim. He still doesn't see the game as a PG though. So much dribbling and shot hunting last night.

I thought Markus played pretty damn well with the ball in his hands

He just couldn’t make sh it. Typically that part won’t happen.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MUfan12 on November 07, 2018, 08:58:56 AM
I guess I don't really agree with this.  I don't see many high quality PGs that play the game different than Markus does now.

I have the luxury of seeing things develop from my seat, but there were many times last night where he missed open guys because he was trying to set up his own shot off the dribble.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2018, 09:00:30 AM
Don't cee wear Markus has improved over his career. Given his size deficiency and such, all dis talk 'bout the Association, is poppycock, aina?
Then you aren't watching. 

   DJOver, to my eyes, the most impressive defensive play by a freshman last night was Bailey stripping the point guard out near mid court.    6'8 picking the pocket of the guard straight up.       I also enjoyed the block party.         

I know I beat the drum last year about the lack of size being the fundamental problem with our pick and roll defense.     Last night, UMBC got Markus to switch onto their rolling big.    MH fronted the big, similar to how Villanova handled it last year.    This year, all of the collapsing help was 6'7-6'9.    Combine that with the added length in the passing lanes.    Yes, it was only UMBC.    Who isn't Kansas, or IU, or Nova.     But it is a start. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Marcus92 on November 07, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
Some great transition defense, as well. At least a couple plays where UMBC should have had an easy layup -- and MU's athleticism and good positioning led to either a block or a poor shot.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: avid1010 on November 07, 2018, 09:09:56 AM
morrow starting...getting pulled immediately...then not starting the second half and getting 9 minutes was interesting...

we are either going to play small or morrow/matt will get time because theo knows how to foul. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: UWW2MU on November 07, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Favorite part of the game... mere seconds left and UMBC just stole the ball.  It becomes a 2 on 1 situation against Bailey and it looks like our foes were going to pad their numbers just a bit to soften their loss.  Bailey was having none of it and all by himself defended amazingly well against them, keeping the differential at 25 at the buzzer.  This kid will be real good!

Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on November 07, 2018, 09:34:25 AM
The highlight of the game was the defense.  Certainly looks better not having 2 smalls (Markus and Rowsey) on the floor and better size/strength.

Hard to take much away from this game.  UMBC was 206 in offense last year, and lost their best player/go to go, 30+% Usage, Jarius Lyles.

Watched some of the Duke vs Kentucky game - and watching Duke play was like watching an NBA team.  The kid Zion Williamson is like none I've ever seen.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: mufanatic on November 07, 2018, 09:39:59 AM
I'm not surprised at the number of minutes that Heldt received.  He will play meaningful minutes but I think John and Joey are better players and offer more on the court this year and the following years.  Hopefully Morrow just had a bad game.

This is Howard's and Sam's team and deservedly so as they are our best players.  They will get over 30 minutes a game except in blowouts or foul trouble issues.

I am surprised that Anim played as much as he did.  I think he is the beneficiary of Greg being hurt.  I would like to see Cain out there more.

Offense was too stagnant with 1 on 1 play in the second half.  When the shots are not falling, we need to have better movement off the ball. 

Defense and height is much improved.  Should be a great year.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GB Warrior on November 07, 2018, 09:46:20 AM
First of all Brother and Sister Scoopers, you do know that Marcus scored 15 last night and as bad as our shooting was, our scoring was more balanced than it has been in a long time.

Second, there were times last night when I thought Marcus was Butch Lee, the way he drove the lane. The fact that we did more than camp out on the three line last night was one of the most promising things about the game.

Third, I like the new Computing Castle/Forum. Was on the lower deck and thought the place had some of the character of the old arena. A little gimmicky at times but it’s gonna be fun, especially as we compete for a Natchamp.

I was more concerned I don't get a free pizza. Real casualty of the night.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Greggery Peccary on November 07, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
What are the conditions for the free shakes @ Shake Shack? Is that good today? Have to show a ticket?
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Marcus92 on November 07, 2018, 09:55:29 AM
It's true the offense bogged down at times. Some of that is on Markus. But everyone on the court is responsible for movement, spacing and passing -- not just the point guard. I'm sure this was a point of emphasis by the coaching staff during and after the game. Given that Markus dished out 7 assists, it's hard to say he wasn't looking for his teammates.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 07, 2018, 10:06:46 AM
What are the conditions for the free shakes @ Shake Shack? Is that good today? Have to show a ticket?

I am going to try and make the one at the Chicago Athletic Association to honor it.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Jay Bee on November 07, 2018, 10:08:19 AM
I'd have to see what the numbers show, but he's a better finisher at the rim. He still doesn't see the game as a PG though. So much dribbling and shot hunting last night.

FR at the rim: 28/54 51.9%
SO at the rim: 70/125 56.0%
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on November 07, 2018, 10:29:51 AM
Man,  reading some of these posts you'd think wed won by single digits. We beat a team by 25 in a game that the oddsmakers said we should win by 17-20 when our three point shooters couldn't hit Lake Michigan from Bradford Beach. I'm not sure how this game is anything but encouraging

I can tell you for a fact that a specific (read: my) bookmaker had us as 21 points favorites. It took much longer than I expected for us to hit that spread, but all's well that ends well.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: TAMU Garcia on November 07, 2018, 10:31:50 AM
Don't cee wear Markus has improved over his career. Given his size deficiency and such, all dis talk 'bout the Association, is poppycock, aina?

Better finisher at the rim and much better defender from his freshman year. Night and day difference in both areas. Will need to see what he's developed for this season.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on November 07, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
I'm not surprised at the number of minutes that Heldt received.  He will play meaningful minutes but I think John and Joey are better players and offer more on the court this year and the following years.  Hopefully Morrow just had a bad game.

This is Howard's and Sam's team and deservedly so as they are our best players.  They will get over 30 minutes a game except in blowouts or foul trouble issues.

I am surprised that Anim played as much as he did.  I think he is the beneficiary of Greg being hurt.  I would like to see Cain out there more.

Offense was too stagnant with 1 on 1 play in the second half.  When the shots are not falling, we need to have better movement off the ball. 

Defense and height is much improved.  Should be a great year.

Sacar was third on the team in minutes last  year, and he earned that time through his defensive play. Plus, as the year progressed, so did his offense. Right now, Sacar is probably the best on-ball defender and is probably 2nd only to Markus at getting to the hoop from the perimeter to create his own shot. 

He won't be averaging 30+ minutes per game by the end of the year, but with defense being Wojo's focal point right now, it makes sense to have your defensive leader on the floor a lot. I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting 30 minutes against IU, KU, KSU as a way to set the tone defensively. Once the team begins to mesh and other guy are more comofrtable, then Sacar's minutes will drop a little. I would expect that he'll still be getting 22-25 minutes come conference play, though.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
No doubt. MU needed OT to beat a cupcake last season. Last year,
If they shot similarily,  this is a close game. I came away encouraged as well. Lowest Opponent FG% since 2004 and people are worried about Heldt’s playing time. Matt Heldt. Haha.

First of all, relatively few Scoopers seem discouraged after last night's game. Most recognize that we couldn't hit a shot and yet we still blew out our opponent.

Sure, Dr. Drivel couldn't resist taking a shot at Markus, but for the most part, I see encouraged Scoopers.

Even most of those who grumbled about Ed and JCS acknowledged that they rushed too quickly to judgment with Katin and Lockett.

And I'm not sure I see many Scoopers "worried about Heldt's playing time."

He was the starting center all last season but in Game 1 of this season he didn't play in the first 39 minutes. It's interesting, and it's certainly a subject worthy of being discussed on a fan forum. I'd have been stunned if it wasn't discussed. I don't sense a lot of "worry" there, though.

I, for one, am the opposite of worried; less Heldt means a better Warrior Eagle team.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: warriorchick on November 07, 2018, 11:28:59 AM


And I'm not sure I see many Scoopers "worried about Heldt's playing time."



We just don't want him to transfer.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 07, 2018, 11:38:59 AM
14. College basketball being back makes me so happy.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: jsglow on November 07, 2018, 11:45:01 AM
Couple observations having witnessed the game and just now reading this thread.

1) LOVED Theo overall and especially that time the guy got inside and both Theo and Brendan just assassinated him with a double hard foul.  Nobody gets to our rim this year and doesn't pay a price.  We have enough skilled big men to make a statement.

2) Poor shots were very few and far between.  As Eng said, Chartouny seemingly completely forgot what Wojo had just said in the huddle, got yanked, grabbed by the shirt, aggressively pointed at, and sent to the bench to think about it.  Then was back in the game.  Again, we've got enough guys that Wojo doesn't have to bite his lip anymore.  Markus, on the other hand, continued to play within the gameplan, never took a bad shot that I remember, and had to be thinking WTF when he literally clanked a free throw.  No worries. Crap happens.  He has a normal game and we win by 35.

3) Didn't Cain seem active, especially on the glass?  The kid is an athlete and will really help us.  Feel the same way about Brendan. Both are really going to contribute this year. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: fjm on November 07, 2018, 11:52:30 AM
I played basketball in middle school, scored 3 points over 3 seasons. So I ask this in complete humbeled honesty...

Is it possible that the depth or some lighting changes is causing some of the missed 3pointers etc? Like it is taking time getting used to? Or is this me just trying to explain an off night or two?
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: StillWarriors on November 07, 2018, 11:54:08 AM
Better finisher at the rim and much better defender from his freshman year. Night and day difference in both areas. Will need to see what he's developed for this season.

Howard got called for blocks at least two times where I thought he may have drawn a charge. His off the ball D was pretty solid. He still, and will probably always, have a tough time staying in front of guys off the dribble, but fortunately we now have help D underneath. I agree he is much better overall than as a freshman.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: cheebs09 on November 07, 2018, 11:56:13 AM
I played basketball in middle school, scored 3 points over 3 seasons. So I ask this in complete humbeled honesty...

Is it possible that the depth or some lighting changes is causing some of the missed 3pointers etc? Like it is taking time getting used to? Or is this me just trying to explain an off night or two?

I believe John Dodds wrote a dissertation on this subject about the BC.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: jsglow on November 07, 2018, 11:57:10 AM
Sacar was third on the team in minutes last  year, and he earned that time through his defensive play. Plus, as the year progressed, so did his offense. Right now, Sacar is probably the best on-ball defender and is probably 2nd only to Markus at getting to the hoop from the perimeter to create his own shot. 

He won't be averaging 30+ minutes per game by the end of the year, but with defense being Wojo's focal point right now, it makes sense to have your defensive leader on the floor a lot. I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting 30 minutes against IU, KU, KSU as a way to set the tone defensively. Once the team begins to mesh and other guy are more comofrtable, then Sacar's minutes will drop a little. I would expect that he'll still be getting 22-25 minutes come conference play, though.

This.  Sacar matched up with 33 and was followed in that assignment by Chartouny.  He's a very important contributor to the success of the team.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: barfolomew on November 07, 2018, 12:05:56 PM
Shots weren't falling because the lads are used to shooting North-South.
Magnetic polarities and whatnot are totally different when shooting East-West.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: naginiF on November 07, 2018, 12:06:42 PM
I believe John Dodds wrote a dissertation on this subject about the BC.
one of the announcers actually made the "need to get used to the lighting and angles" comment and i was wondering how long it would take for the dissertation to be brought up.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: BM1090 on November 07, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
Couple observations having witnessed the game and just now reading this thread.

1) LOVED Theo overall and especially that time the guy got inside and both Theo and Brendan just assassinated him with a double hard foul.  Nobody gets to our rim this year and doesn't pay a price.  We have enough skilled big men to make a statement.

2) Poor shots were very few and far between.  As Eng said, Chartouny seemingly completely forgot what Wojo had just said in the huddle, got yanked, grabbed by the shirt, aggressively pointed at, and sent to the bench to think about it.  Then was back in the game.  Again, we've got enough guys that Wojo doesn't have to bite his lip anymore.  Markus, on the other hand, continued to play within the gameplan, never took a bad shot that I remember, and had to be thinking WTF when he literally clanked a free throw.  No worries. Crap happens.  He has a normal game and we win by 35.

3) Didn't Cain seem active, especially on the glass?  The kid is an athlete and will really help us.  Feel the same way about Brendan. Both are really going to contribute this year.

Markus took numerous bad shots. I remember 3 or 4 three pointers early in the shot clock that were of the "crossover, step back, 3 feet behind the line" variety. We've just seen him make those shots so we don't necessarily think they are "bad". But he could have gotten those at any time. They were bad shots.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: brewcity77 on November 07, 2018, 12:52:33 PM
This.  Sacar matched up with 33 and was followed in that assignment by Chartouny.  He's a very important contributor to the success of the team.

I felt like the first five minutes, no one was covering Arkel Lamar (33). He was their only offensive option and keeping them close early. Once they started defending him, we stretched the lead and they never really made a game of it, even when we went long stretches without scoring.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
I played basketball in middle school, scored 3 points over 3 seasons.

Careful ... Ners won't like that you had a more successful playing career than he did!

I felt like the first five minutes, no one was covering Arkel Lamar (33). He was their only offensive option and keeping them close early. Once they started defending him, we stretched the lead and they never really made a game of it, even when we went long stretches without scoring.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Bailey, Cain and even Sam took some turns on him. The length seemed to bother him. We have the personnel to have that option now on defense.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: We R Final Four on November 07, 2018, 01:12:53 PM
Markus took numerous bad shots. I remember 3 or 4 three pointers early in the shot clock that were of the "crossover, step back, 3 feet behind the line" variety. We've just seen him make those shots so we don't necessarily think they are "bad". But he could have gotten those at any time. They were bad shots.
Yes—To say MH never tookabad shot last night is incorrect. Took several.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 07, 2018, 01:26:16 PM

Careful ... Ners won't like that you had a more successful playing career than he did!


But if memory serves, Ners' 2 points came on a 360 windmill jam, where he took off from just beyond the free throw line.

Back to the original topic:

Joey and Brendan are going to be really good.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2018, 01:26:52 PM
Wojo's post-game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuASXwsOpSI

Ike is out indefinitely.   
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: mu03eng on November 07, 2018, 01:34:01 PM
Markus took numerous bad shots. I remember 3 or 4 three pointers early in the shot clock that were of the "crossover, step back, 3 feet behind the line" variety. We've just seen him make those shots so we don't necessarily think they are "bad". But he could have gotten those at any time. They were bad shots.

Maybe semantical but I don't think he took bad shots (as in outside the flow of the offense or jacking it up, etc). He took a few shots that were lower probability of success (from deep or early in the shot clock) but given the opponent and the fact that he was wide open were not unreasonable.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: TAMU Garcia on November 07, 2018, 01:35:37 PM
I felt like the first five minutes, no one was covering Arkel Lamar (33). He was their only offensive option and keeping them close early. Once they started defending him, we stretched the lead and they never really made a game of it, even when we went long stretches without scoring.

I mean, one of those early buckets by Lamar was a fade away mid range two with Sacar in his grill.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 07, 2018, 01:41:09 PM
Wojo's post-game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuASXwsOpSI

Ike is out indefinitely.

Ike may never play a game in a Marquette uniform.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 07, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
Ike may never play a game in a Marquette uniform.


Yeah...I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: warriorchick on November 07, 2018, 01:52:15 PM
Couple observations having witnessed the game and just now reading this thread.

 Markus, on the other hand, continued to play within the gameplan, never took a bad shot that I remember, and had to be thinking WTF when he literally clanked a free throw.  No worries. Crap happens.  He has a normal game and we win by 35.


I was a little worried about Markus's psyche when he clanked that free throw after missing many, many threes.  But the next time he got up to the line, he had a huge smile on his face.  Had two nothing-but-nets, and shot pretty well after that.  It's reassuring to know he doesn't let a bad stretch of missed shots get to him.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 07, 2018, 01:53:11 PM
Ike may never play a game in a Marquette uniform.

I feel bad for kid. 
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 07, 2018, 02:00:35 PM
Bailey may actually be our best defender.  The second line defenders that time after time jumped in the air versus staying on their feet with their hands up is so aggravating.  Watching bailey stay low and not bite on every shot fake was a thing of beauty, maybe his Defensive IQ could  rub off on some of the others.  Chartouney is another great example of defense being as much about heart and intelligence as it is about athleticism.
Really nice to watch them.  The defense is vastly improved unfortunately we still make a lot of boneheaded defensive decisions that would make a grade school coach pull his hair out.
Really missed greg elliot at times, one of the frw players that can create fir himself. 
A defensive lineup with chartouney, greg, bailey, theo and a hauser could be really really good.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 07, 2018, 02:07:12 PM
It looks better but still worried tge focus is not enuff on defense.  When an opposing player drives and we jump up to challenge his shot versus taking up space and looking to take a charge.  And the player does not come out of the game for a firm, “ that is not hiw we defend”.  It concerns me.  Are we not focused on or teaching proper defensive technics on an individual and team level.  Valud question.  Again better, but some of tge things we do cobsistantly that receive a clap or a slap on the butt would make bob higgins or frank martins head explode.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 07, 2018, 02:15:26 PM
!

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Bailey, Cain and even Sam took some turns on him. The length seemed to bother him. We have the personnel to have that option now on defense.

Also I think our rotation wore them down.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Its DJOver on November 07, 2018, 02:17:20 PM
It looks better but still worried tge focus is not enuff on defense.  When an opposing player drives and we jump up to challenge his shot versus taking up space and looking to take a charge.  And the player does not come out of the game for a firm, “ that is not hiw we defend”.  It concerns me.  Are we not focused on or teaching proper defensive technics on an individual and team level.  Valud question.  Again better, but some of tge things we do cobsistantly that receive a clap or a slap on the butt would make bob higgins or frank martins head explode.

Well that's why we have the whole season right?  Could our defense be even better?  Absolutely, but after watching the consistently poor defensive displays last season, last night was a very encouraging step in the right direction.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: nyg on November 07, 2018, 03:02:40 PM

Yeah...I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

If his injury continues, what does a program do in an issue like this?  He has a b-ball scholarship and thats an allotment to the team.  Do they keep him on it for three more years or can they like transfer it to an academic scholarship?  I am sure it has happened elsewhere, but don't know exactly how it works.   
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: GGGG on November 07, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
If his injury continues, what does a program do in an issue like this?  He has a b-ball scholarship and thats an allotment to the team.  Do they keep him on it for three more years or can they like transfer it to an academic scholarship?  I am sure it has happened elsewhere, but don't know exactly how it works.   

I am sure that Marquette University would give him a full ride for as long as it took to get his degree.  I'm sure Wojo would keep him involved with the basketball program as well.

But yeah his basketball scholarship would be released and he would receive a different type of aid package.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MuMark on November 07, 2018, 03:33:06 PM
Markus is going to have bad shooting games........MU needs he and Sam to be aggressive......Wojo said it in the post game. A bad shot for others might not be a bad shot for Markus or Sam.

This should also be recognized

https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1060280847226601474?s=21
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2018, 03:49:52 PM
It looks better but still worried tge focus is not enuff on defense.  When an opposing player drives and we jump up to challenge his shot versus taking up space and looking to take a charge.  And the player does not come out of the game for a firm, “ that is not hiw we defend”.  It concerns me.  Are we not focused on or teaching proper defensive technics on an individual and team level.  Valud question.  Again better, but some of tge things we do cobsistantly that receive a clap or a slap on the butt would make bob higgins or frank martins head explode.

Huh?  Don't jump to contest a shot but rather stand there with your hands up?  The defense was great.  Markus knows he isn't going to be blocking shots so he attempted to take (and got 1 or 2) multiple charges when he was the help side defender.  Otherwise there were multiple times where Ed and Theo both jumped straight up with their arms straight above their heads simply to contest knowing they wouldn't get a clean block, absorbed contact from the driver, and forced a horrible miss while the driver went to the ground and the ref correctly motioned for verticality as they looked for a foul call.  And when a layup was all but guaranteed, we hammered them and sent them to the line.  And then had a large number of blocked shots.

If you want to complain that a couple times a guy like Joey got caught sprinting out to the perimeter after helping on a driver and got beat when the guy he was guarding put the ball on the deck instead of letting the shot go, sure.  But then you'd basically be complaining that we didn't shut the team out.

The defense was great.  The opponent wasn't.  We'll see if the defense continues to be great when the opponent is also great.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 07, 2018, 03:58:38 PM
Well that's why we have the whole season right?  Could our defense be even better?  Absolutely, but after watching the consistently poor defensive displays last season, last night was a very encouraging step in the right direction.

Very much so.  furthermore if it was last years team shootingthat poorly last night, they prolly lose.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 07, 2018, 04:05:10 PM
Huh?  Don't jump to contest a shot but rather stand there with your hands up?  The defense was great.  Markus knows he isn't going to be blocking shots so he attempted to take (and got 1 or 2) multiple charges when he was the help side defender.  Otherwise there were multiple times where Ed and Theo both jumped straight up with their arms straight above their heads simply to contest knowing they wouldn't get a clean block, absorbed contact from the driver, and forced a horrible miss while the driver went to the ground and the ref correctly motioned for verticality as they looked for a foul call.  And when a layup was all but guaranteed, we hammered them and sent them to the line.  And then had a large number of blocked shots.

If you want to complain that a couple times a guy like Joey got caught sprinting out to the perimeter after helping on a driver and got beat when the guy he was guarding put the ball on the deck instead of letting the shot go, sure.  But then you'd basically be complaining that we didn't shut the team out.

The defense was great.  The opponent wasn't.  We'll see if the defense continues to be great when the opponent is also great.

Rewatch the game.  The defense was no where near great. Markedly improved from last year for sure tho. I was specifically talking to helpside defense on drives.  We did most things much better.  My comment was on many of the mistakes of defense 101 that we still make.  Last years defense F, last nights BC.  We were much bigger, experienced, and athletic and talented.  Defense was vastly improved a gainst an inferior team but far from great
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: BM1090 on November 07, 2018, 04:07:42 PM
Huh?  Don't jump to contest a shot but rather stand there with your hands up?  The defense was great.  Markus knows he isn't going to be blocking shots so he attempted to take (and got 1 or 2) multiple charges when he was the help side defender. Otherwise there were multiple times where Ed and Theo both jumped straight up with their arms straight above their heads simply to contest knowing they wouldn't get a clean block, absorbed contact from the driver, and forced a horrible miss while the driver went to the ground and the ref correctly motioned for verticality as they looked for a foul call.  And when a layup was all but guaranteed, we hammered them and sent them to the line.  And then had a large number of blocked shots.

If you want to complain that a couple times a guy like Joey got caught sprinting out to the perimeter after helping on a driver and got beat when the guy he was guarding put the ball on the deck instead of letting the shot go, sure.  But then you'd basically be complaining that we didn't shut the team out.

The defense was great.  The opponent wasn't.  We'll see if the defense continues to be great when the opponent is also great.

The bolded was the biggest thing to me. Our bigs (Luke in particular) have tried to do this and failed in the past. If you have athletic guys who are taught to and are capable of doing this, it vastly improves the defense. Guard the 3 point line. Funnel things inside. Have bigs who are able to do this.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: TAMU Garcia on November 07, 2018, 04:13:25 PM
The opponent was not good....but we've played a lot worse teams over the past 14 years. And we held them to the lowest FG% since 2004. It's one game so I'm not going to get giddy about it, but there was nothing but positive signs on the defensive end yesterday. So much length. Such good help defense.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Floorslapper on November 07, 2018, 04:26:39 PM
Wojo's post-game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuASXwsOpSI

Ike is out indefinitely.

I was impressed with Wojo in this presser.  Thought he hit all the right notes.  Tip of the cap to the floor slapper himself.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: mu03eng on November 07, 2018, 04:31:17 PM
The opponent was not good....but we've played a lot worse teams over the past 14 years. And we held them to the lowest FG% since 2004. It's one game so I'm not going to get giddy about it, but there was nothing but positive signs on the defensive end yesterday. So much length. Such good help defense.

There is no stat for it, but one of the most telling things to me was the fact that at least 4-5 times we forced them into shot clock situations where it was less than 5 seconds. I can't remember the last time an MU defense was capable of doing that. Yes, we didn't necessarily generate a ton of turnovers but we limited the looks we gave them to questionable ones or at right denied them looks.

Improvement, let's see if it gets consistent.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: cheebs09 on November 07, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
I am sure that Marquette University would give him a full ride for as long as it took to get his degree.  I'm sure Wojo would keep him involved with the basketball program as well.

But yeah his basketball scholarship would be released and he would receive a different type of aid package.

I believe that’s what happened with McMorrow. He kept a scholarship to the school, but couldn’t play on the team again.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
Markus is going to have bad shooting games........MU needs he and Sam to be aggressive......Wojo said it in the post game. A bad shot for others might not be a bad shot for Markus or Sam.


Yep. Shooters gotta shoot.

That applies all the way from NBA players to the middle-school girls I used to coach. I told my best 3-point shooter that if she was left open and in the flow of the offense, she was to shoot. I didn't care if she had missed her previous 8. My confidence in her definitely helped her have confidence in herself.

Wojo wants Markus and Sam to shoot. Period. And so do I.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2018, 07:06:27 PM
Wojo's post-game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuASXwsOpSI

Ike is out indefinitely.
Ike is a great young man and I am praying for him to get better. Back Injury is a very tough thing to overcome for D 1 level athlete.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 07, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
  more on matt-kid's got a heart of gold and will walk across red hot coals with a gas can in each hand for MU.  he is happy to be here; he knows his role and so does wojo.  he's not going to put matt in to fail himself, nor the team. as wojo said in his post game-this game essentially was not a good fit for matt's style of play.  there will be many opportunities for matt to play matt's game and i'll be shucky darns if he doesn't have a SOTG under his belt this season.   matt knows his role. he is not going to be the one beaching on the sideline, in the locker room or between classes to whoever will listen. 
                                             matt is happy to be here and it shows!
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: skianth16 on November 08, 2018, 08:45:29 AM
There is no stat for it, but one of the most telling things to me was the fact that at least 4-5 times we forced them into shot clock situations where it was less than 5 seconds. I can't remember the last time an MU defense was capable of doing that. Yes, we didn't necessarily generate a ton of turnovers but we limited the looks we gave them to questionable ones or at right denied them looks.

Improvement, let's see if it gets consistent.

I'm surprised this isn't tracked yet. It's kind of like a QB pressure in football, which seems to be mentioned in just about every game I've watched the last few years. This kind of stat could be very telling of what kind of defense a team has.
Title: Re: U(gh, so)M(any) B(ri)C(ks) thoughts
Post by: brewcity77 on November 08, 2018, 06:28:11 PM
I'm surprised this isn't tracked yet. It's kind of like a QB pressure in football, which seems to be mentioned in just about every game I've watched the last few years. This kind of stat could be very telling of what kind of defense a team has.

Pomeroy sort of does this in that it tracks possession length on both ends of the floor. It's interesting to look at teams that hold opponents to really long average possessions on defense yet play up tempo offense. None are better than UNC, #14 in offensive possession length but #322 in defensive length.